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Hey weirdos, I'm Alayna. And I'm Ash. And this is a mini morbid.
Yeah, yeah. Mini, mini, mini, mini, mini morbid.
Mini morbid, mini morbid, mini morbid. It's my mini morbid.
And if you can't tell who this is, it's Elena.
Do you think people can't tell their voices apart?
A lot of people say they can't tell their voices apart.
I like your voice better. I like your voice better.
Oh my god. I was listening to the podcast the other day and I was like, wow, I have the most annoying voice on planet Earth.
But then everybody was like, your voice sounds like Elena's.
So that means I have the most. Oh, no. I just meant that like my voice is annoying and I want yours.
I'm totally kidding. I'm going to Ursula it up and take your voice box.
Again, you've been around my kids too much.
I really have, honestly. Pulling all these Disney references.
So, yeah, tonight is Elena's mini morbid, which means it could be.
Slightly mini and it could be like four hours.
It's not four hours. I'm going to fill you all in on a little secret.
Alina doesn't know what the word mini means.
So this is a full ass morbid. thank you strap into your seats hold on to your butts let's do this uh we'll see we'll see how long this is maybe i can get it to a good length I think I can.
I love that my minis are actually 25 minutes.
And you're like, I have a mini tonight. It's sexy.
Hold on. I meant to say sex. It's sex. That's it.
It is six hours long. Yeah. Yeah. I gotta go now.
I gotta go. So this is a good one. And by good one, I mean horrific.
But yeah. Typically by good one we mean absolutely gut-wrenchingly awful.
Pretty much. This is one that has been sitting in my list of cases I wanted to cover forever, and I'm just waiting for that moment.
I don't know why it feels like the right moment, but it feels like the right moment.
You know, if the sun is shining. It is. Also, side note, you can probably hear the sizzling again in the background.
Indeed. It's another John cooking night.
Just so... Guys, he's great. Yeah, just so you guys know.
He's just cooking. So that's sizzling in the background.
Not a lot I can do about it. Well, tonight's Mini Morbid is covering the case of the murders at Corpsewood Manor.
I don't know what that is. And I know it sounds like that is fake and like it's just like an Agatha Christie book or something.
Yes, exactly. But it's not. It's real. Tell me all about it.
So we're going to set the scene. We're not.
We're just going to talk. I was like, we're actually just going to talk about the victims.
Do we do that? So Dr. Charles Scudder. Which I think is a cool name, Scudder.
Dr. Scudder. I don't know. I just think it's a cool name.
I could take it or leave it. Dr. Charles Scudder was a professor of pharmacology at Loyola University in Chicago. chicago now at the moment we're talking we're talking about like the 70s late 70s oh my time This doesn't happen in the 70s.
We're just beginning in the 70s. Oh, okay.
It happens in the early 80s. Not my time.
Yeah. He was also co-director of the Institute for the Study of Mind, Drugs and Behavior. where he basically did a ton of government-funded... experiments on lsd oh but not like lsd like you know just like some dude you bought LSD from.
Like this is government created LSD. Yo.
And they were trying to discover what it does.
That's that good good. That's that good good.
It was that's the stuff that Charles Manson was like, well, you know, like, come in my bus.
That was like he was looking for this stuff, but he couldn't get his hands on it.
So this and it was basically at Loyola University.
They were like granted to do this study about like what it did to your mind, you know, behavior, all that good stuff.
How do you think they find people to, like, how do they find volunteers for that?
Like, yup, I will take that government. In the 70s?
No, totally. A bunch of people that were like, government created LSD.
I don't know if I would want government created LSD.
I don't want any LSD anywhere near me. Yeah, that's what I meant to say.
Thank you. Moving on now. I do not want LSD.
I just feel like the government, like, never mind.
I mean, yeah, I feel you. They just never mind.
Either way, Dr. Charles Scouter, along with being the professor of pharmacology, was also the co-director of that institute.
Got it. He was living his best life. He was a widowed father to four boys who were grown at that point.
He lived with his two bull mastiff dogs named Beelzebub and Arsonath.
Isn't Beelzebub another word for the devil?
Well, it's like one of the demons. Oh, okay.
One of the hell demons, I believe. And it's funny.
That is funny. What was the other one's name?
And Arsenath. I'm sure many people are going to scream. scream and yell at me and I'm gonna get 400 messages because I'm sure I said that wrong and they're gonna tell me that they're taking away my Horror card.
Because it's an HP Lovecraft character. Oh.
Sorry, I don't know this character. Sorry.
Sorry. So it's arsenith or arsenath. I'm not really positive.
I like however you want to say it. However, I like you having free will.
That's what I like. Do you, bro? So they were two bull mastiffs.
So there was those like big, just like jowly, but huge.
I mean, these things are like gigantic. So he lives with those two and he loved them.
They were like his beloved dogs. And he also lived with his housekeeper, who was also described by many as his partner.
Joseph Joey Odom. Now, From what it seems, he served as Scudder's housekeeper for over 20 years.
Oh, damn. Yeah. From what it seemed, Joey, or I'm going to call him Odom from now on because there's another Joey.
Well, and there's another Joey that comes into play later, and I don't want to confuse everybody.
So Odom the housekeeper. So Odom the housekeeper.
Odom and Dr. Scudder were definitely intimate. and they were definitely you know and they definitely like were partners but I don't think they were like in a like i think they were able to they were in an open relationship it was kind of an open relationship Okay.
And it was the 70s. Not exactly the greatest time to be like, you know, waving the pride flag.
Right. They weren't able to be as free as they wanted to be.
So Dr. Scudder was described by all who knew him as fucking brilliant.
This dude was brilliant. He had a wide array of interests and he was super well read.
One look at his library and it was like the array of subject matters he was into, like in anything he needed to learn, he just read a book about it and would do it.
Damn. He was just one of those people that was like, I can figure that out.
I love that. Right? Odom, he was like on the total opposite end of the spectrum.
He came from kind of like a poor family.
He only had a fifth grade education. But he had taught himself to cook.
He was very skilled in cooking. He loved cooking. and even though they were really opposite they were totally like in sync and inseparable like opposites attract yeah and they just seemed like they you know they just really got along yeah And Odom was like really adept at keeping house and taking care of everything and cooking.
And he liked doing it. So it's just like it's a win win situation.
Yeah. Now, Scudder, like a lot of brilliant people, was...
Some would refer to as eccentric at times.
He played a golden harp and he played it beautifully and he taught himself how to play it.
That's like really cool. And he also painted a ton.
He made stained glass windows. and again taught himself how to do all this stuff just read it and figured it out he also did things like like dyeing his hair purple for a bit Same.
And he had a pet monkey at one point. He's just living his life, to be honest.
What's funny is he's a professor of pharmacology at a very prestigious school, and he's got purple hair.
I love that. It's just funny. So he's just he's eccentric, but he's awesome.
He seemed like an awesome dude. Yeah, he seems cool.
I hope he doesn't murder someone later. He was also very interested in the Church of Satan, which carried its own stigma because, and it still does.
Because people have no fucking clue what that is.
People are very misinformed about what the Church of Satan is actually about.
Yeah, it's actually like not that bad. Satanists don't worship the devil.
It's not it's not bad at all. Don't they just like worship like the earth?
No. Satanists don't worship the devil. They are atheists.
Okay. So basically the religion is about seeing yourself as the quote unquote God kind of.
I'm into it. Like you worship your own needs.
Yeah, kind of like it's all about looking at what you need and taking care of you and your.
They don't worship any God. Cool. They also don't see Satan or believe in Satan as a being or a person.
Like they don't believe in that. Oh, they actually just why are they called Satanists then?
Because it's kind of a symbol of like rebellion and kind of a symbol.
And it's. I think from what I've read, and I could be wrong if there's anybody who is listening right now who is a Satanist and would like to enlighten me on this.
Mm-hmm. I did read in a couple things that the Satan, like, you know, moniker and the Satan...
That symbol is kind of like to thumb their nose at like Christianity.
You know what I mean? Like it's kind of to be like, yeah, this dude is not what you guys are making. him i kind of dig he's not real like this is just a symbol yeah like fuck you guys yeah so they don't worship satan the devil or anything like that they don't worship anything except themselves Sounds lit.
It is. Their website also describes them as... quote, we are a formidable threat to any who would halt progress in the name of spirituality.
We are explorers on the untrodden paths of science, human motivation, and all mysteries awaiting understanding, that which is most truly, quote, a cult.
And if you read their website, it's like they literally have a frequently asked questions section that's like, hey, do you worship the devil?
And they're like, nope. And then it's like, it's like all the, it's a great, so I, anybody go, go look at the Church of Satan website.
It'll enlighten yourself. It'll enlighten you.
It really will. And that's why this plays a huge role in this whole thing that he was a follower of the Church of Satan because at that time people had...
No fucking clue what that was. It was like so misconstrued.
And it's and I mean, I'd love to say we've moved forward as a society, but we haven't like people still.
They'll look at that and it's like, oh, he's a Satanist.
He's going to sacrifice children. And it's like, no, they're atheists.
That's basically all they are. So after holding down this super good job for a while and finding himself like kind of alone, his children were grown.
He was just living with Odom. You know what I mean?
He was feeling the need to escape this life in the city, in Chicago, and he wanted to trade it for something more simple, like connecting him back to the earth.
I want to grow something in dirt. And he also wanted to kind of escape the binds of judgment about his sexuality and allow him to be freer.
So he was looking to get somewhere that he could be who he is.
So interestingly, he wrote an article in 1981. for an online news outlet called Mother Earth News about this experience.
You can read it online today. Okay. In the article, he said he had a good job, but it seemed like things were turning in this job, and it wasn't what it once was.
Quote, as time passed, the medical students grew more unruly and less interested in learning.
The standards of the school steadily dropped and my department became a hotbed of office politics, backbiting, and resentment.
And he said, quote, as soon as I got home each evening, I changed into my old and not too clean or mended jeans. and muddle about in the garden, finding they're the only moments of satisfaction left in my urban life.
I was even pleased when the city's wildlife, the rats drank from my garden pool at night.
I would not be pleased. So he decided that he was going to move out of his old mansion in Chicago, because he lived in a pretty big mansion house, and build a dream home away from everything.
He wanted to be super secluded and he didn't want any of the trappings of this urban lifestyle anymore.
He said, quote, after some soul searching conversations with Joey, I decided that we really needed to find someplace in hilly country with the glamour of four seasons. but without super cold winters with a good supply of pure water and wood for heating and cooking and most important with a measure of isolation After years of enduring the sensory overload of city life, I desperately wanted to be situated where I could neither see nor hear my neighbors.
All right, they should go to the Berkshires.
They should. Because it's so chic, but it's like also.
It is. Oh, they would have been so much better off there.
But the Berkshires don't have great winters.
No, they don't. It's super cold in the winter, so that is one thing.
It is very chic. So what he did was he found 40 acres of woodland in northern Georgia.
Now, it was completely surrounded by national forest land and miles away from anybody else.
Like this was literally like as isolated as you can get.
That like really scares me. He checked it out and he purchased it immediately.
Wow. So in 1976, on his 50th birthday...
He resigned officially from Loyola University.
He auctioned off pretty much everything he owned.
All his valuables, everything. And he was like I'm going to build my dream home in the wilderness.
Odom is going to come live with me. And my two dogs are going to come live with me.
They called it their quote kingdom. Oh my God.
And when he left Loyola, he took two human skulls from his office, like real human skulls.
And a bunch of LSD from the. Yes. That is exactly what I would take from my office.
From the experiment. That is amazing. And it was something like when they actually found this LSD because it was like in vials.
I don't know how LSD works. Again, I don't know.
I've not done many drugs in my time. Yeah.
And by many, I mean any. So I have no idea how LSD works, but they said when they measured it all out later, it was something like 12,000 doses.
Oh, wow. Which I'm assuming LSD you take in very tiny amounts.
Yeah. But that's still crazy. 12,000? Yeah.
Holy fuck. I know. I mean, it was for the experiment, so I guess they needed it.
Wow. Wow. So to get to the location of the home that they were going to build, there was a long road that ended in this dirt road.
And it was way at the end of that dirt road.
You took a turn off and then it was like way in the woods.
Got it. Like a mountain. Very, very, very isolated.
So when they set off, it was in the middle of a really bad storm.
It was really blad blizzard. It was in the middle of a really bad blizzard.
I didn't even call you out. out on that because I called you out so much last week.
I called myself out. It was a lot of tongue ties.
Yeah. But that was a long one. When it gets long, I get flubby.
Oh, same. So they arrived in a really bad blizzard and they had to spend the night in their Jeep actually because they couldn't find where the plot of land was because it was so far in there where were they gonna what were they gonna do anyways it was just land Well, so they were like, okay, we'll just figure it out in the morning.
So when they set out again in the morning...
They actually saw that there was a rotting dead horse in the middle of the dirt drive up to their property.
You want to know what that is? A bad omen.
You would think. You would think that you would turn right the fuck around.
It might be. I feel as though it's got to be.
It just might be. Spoiler alert. This doesn't have a happy ending, guys.
Just letting you know. You're listening to the wrong podcast.
So they took this, but they didn't look at it as bad omen.
Because one thing about Scudder and Odom, it seemed like they had a really good sense of humor.
Like they just kind of like went through life being like, yeah, like just trying to like just be chill.
Right. And so they looked at it and they were like, they were like, oh, Perfect name for our road that leads up to our house, Dead Horse Road.
I love that. So they literally named the road to drive up to their house Dead Horse Road.
Wait, that's wicked funny. Yeah, like they seem like hot shits.
They do. I love them. That's funny. So while they built this mansion by hand themselves... by the way.
You know, as one does. They lived out of a camper on the property in their Jeep.
They literally built it with brick, like this totally brick mansion.
That's so sick. By hand, just the two of them.
And he literally just said he read a book to figure out how to build a house.
That's very casual of him. So this was technically, I mean, they called it a manor.
They called it like their castle, all that good stuff.
That's cute. It wasn't gigantic. It was impressive.
Like, I'm going to post photos of this on our Instagram because it's very interesting to look at.
But... When you actually look at it, you're like, how did they build this by hand?
It's bonkers because it's all brick. It's beautiful.
I like brick buildings. They said it took two short years and they were living in an elegant mini castle.
That's how he described it. I want to live in an elegant mini castle.
What the fuck? It was a two-story brick mansion.
They had an outhouse that they built out of brick.
And they created a pump system for water and dug a well.
That's how they got their water. They had no electricity.
Why? They didn't want it. Oh. Their whole thing, he said, I don't want to owe anybody anything.
I don't want to pay electricity. I don't want to pay water.
I don't want to pay any of this shit. I want to be totally off the grid and just live my life.
They had a wood stove. They created a vineyard where they made their own wines.
Fuck yeah, they did. And they made their own wine out of everything, like fruits and vegetables.
So some of it was shit and some of it was awesome.
Everybody who had their wine said it was actually really decent wine, and they said it was crazy strong.
Ooh, I'm there. They had tons of it. They were constantly making it.
No, that actually comes up. That did not happen.
Let me be the first to tell you that. Because they get accused of that.
Oh, fuck. Sorry. I don't know this case.
I was just making a joke. Your face was like mad.
Because, you know, at the end of this case, you're going to be mad.
It's going to make you really mad. So they grew their own food.
They lived off the land. They had fruit trees.
They ground their own wheat and shit. They also became beekeepers where they harvested the honey and the wax to eat the honey and to use the wax for candles to light their home.
I literally feel like this would be easier if you just told me what they didn't do.
Yeah. Like they did everything. They're awesome.
Yeah. Like it's pretty all the hobbies. They had a pink painted gargoyle over a gazebo that was over a big rose garden that Odom was very proud of tending to.
A pink gargoyle over a rose garden. Can I just live in the rose garden?
I'm there. Sign me up. Inside the house, there was like a study, a library.
It was very gothic, very like girly, right?
I was so into it. Stained glass, a lot of art, tons of art, because they were really into that.
A lot of antiques. There was like some occult type pieces, you know, because like that's the aesthetic he liked.
Same. And when you go through this case, you realize you're like, my God, like, I'm glad I'm in an area of the country at least. that me liking this shit doesn't automatically get me labeled.
It's like, keep going. I need to know what happens.
I know it's crazy. And Charles had obviously Charles Scudder had obviously brought the the two human skulls with him that were decorated. as I look around this room there's like 55 skulls not 55 but Beside the house was a three-story chicken house, it was called, which literally housed chickens on the first and second floors.
It was like a chicken coop. And then the top floor was named the pink room.
That served as kind of like a guest house in like a rec room.
That's where they entertained guests who came over.
Because they did have guests come over. On top of the chicken coop?
In the pink room. Okay. Now, the pink room had pink shag carpet.
It had mattresses everywhere with pink sheets all over them.
And the police who came to this place later claimed there was like a ton of sex stuff in there.
Like that this was like a pleasure room. whatever which if it was like cool live your life do you yeah do you in the pink room and do everybody else and honestly I hope it was because I hope they were able to leave Chicago, leave like judgment and just go in the woods and be.
Yeah. Yeah. Just for it. I'm for it. You're not pissing anybody off.
And again, they had a ton. They did. Sounds like.
They did have guests over and they would entertain.
They were very like hospitable hosts. Like they always would just like give everyone their wine and just like. they were cool so when they when they first like they built everything everything was set up and they were like we have to name this Yeah.
So they looked around and it was I think it was just becoming or it was like ending autumn and going into winter when they finished.
So all the trees were really bare and like skeletal and everything.
So they were like corpse wood. Let's call this corpse wood manor.
They sound like I want to be their friend.
Right? I'm like, damn. These people sound cool as fuck.
That's awesome. So in the winter of 1982, a 17 year old guy. who was also a part-time truck driver named Kenneth Avery Brock, who we are going to call Avery because that's what he liked to go by.
Okay. met Scudder and Odom and they befriended him.
The way they met was because Avery liked to hunt.
He was like a deer hunter. And hunters often ask permission from Scudder and Odom to hunt on their property because it was so expansive.
Because it was so big. And they were always really chill about it.
They were always like, yeah, totally. As long as you asked permission, they didn't care.
So Avery was just one of these people who happened to wander by and ask, and they befriended him.
Now, after meeting Avery, they invited him in at one point, like offered him their wine and...
They hung out a few times. There was some kind of sexual encounter that did happen.
But it's either that it just happened or that Avery tried to engage them in it and they kind of like rebuffed him.
Okay. Nobody's really sure exactly what.
Because Avery kind of flip-flops between what happened.
Like, depending on what. Is Avery a douche?
Yeah. Cool. In November of 1982, Avery had moved into one trailer with a 30-year-old unemployed dude named Samuel Tony West.
We're going to call him Tony. They were living together.
They were just like basically just like garbage people.
Because they just weren't doing anything.
They just wanted the world to give them things.
And they couldn't understand why they weren't super successful.
And one night, Avery told Tony a tale about, quote, queer devil worshippers that he had met.
And he said they were living in isolation.
They lived in this big house. He's telling them all about it.
So what it was, was Avery looked at this whole place and like looked at how Scudder and Odom lived and were like, they're hiding a fortune.
I know it. Oh, no. Like they're definitely rich.
Like they chose to live this way. And they're just like billionaires that have this like massive fortune hidden somewhere on this estate.
I know it. Okay. Because he's an idiot. And he just assumed that.
Maybe they just like their things and they wanted to live there.
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Well, this is why I think like this is why to me it seems like maybe Avery had tried to engage them in something in they might have her buffed because he's real mad at them suddenly.
Yeah, which is interesting. Yeah. Tony was straight and he was in the deep south in the early 80s.
So paint your own picture. I'm not saying that everybody in the South in the early 80s felt the same way.
Tony happened to be Not super open-minded.
Got it. But again, not saying everybody was like that.
But Tony was like that. Yeah, and in that time, there was... it seemed to be a little more prevalent.
Yeah. So Avery did mention, I guess, by all accounts to Tony.
About this either sexual encounter he had or he said that, you know, they tried to or something like he kind of twisted it.
Yeah, he made different stories up. And Tony was kind of giving him shit about it.
Because he was like, dude, are you gay? What is going on here?
You need to tell me. So Avery got pissed and decided to say, you know, like, I'm not gay, like, blah, blah, blah. they're gay they're the queers they came on to me like we need to take them out okay you know they were like nice and invited you to their house and like gave you wine and they were like chill And it was basically because he was now getting bullied by his new roommate.
Grow up. And now he's trying to save face, so he started being like, they took advantage of me.
They took advantage of me. I'm only 17 years old.
They took advantage of me. When nobody really knows what... happen at all, if anything even happened.
And his main thing was... I'm pissed at them now because I'm having to confront this whole thing about myself.
I'm having to, you know what I mean? Like, yeah, clearly having some issues here right but then on top of that he was like they're rich i want their money okay Or you could get a job.
Yeah. I mean, that's another really good option.
Yeah. That's the option that I suggest. But Avery was like, no.
Yeah. So he came up with a plan with Tony.
And actually, Avery initially said, and this is really rough.
Trigger warning. He didn't actually do it, but this is what he wanted to do.
Okay. He said he wanted to take a heated welding iron and rape Scudder with it.
Wow. And even Tony was like, yeah, we should just rob them, though.
He was like, maybe... Maybe we can just take their money though.
Major yikes. So he was already clearly Avery was angry and sadistic and messed up.
Woof. Now, in November of 1982, Avery went to Scudder and Odom's homes a few times to hang out with them.
After he said that? Yes, because it was an attempt to get the layout of the house down.
Oh, fuck. But... Scudder and Odom only allowed him to hang out in the pink room.
They didn't let him in that room. Oh, that's interesting.
Which I guess they did a lot with people.
Like they didn't allow a whole lot of people to come into the main house.
Because it was like their space. It was like they were like sanctuary.
So I think they mainly entertained in the pink room and that was where they kept him.
So it didn't really work out for him that well to find the layout of the house, but he kept trying.
Now, on the night of December 12th, 1982...
That's when their plan got set into motion.
Oh, no. I don't like this. No, it's not awesome.
They picked up two teenagers... 17-year-old Joey Wells, who was Tony's nephew, and happened to be on a first date with a girl named Teresa Hudgens that night.
He was on a first date and hanging out with other people.
Well, he was on a first date with Teresa Hudgens. and Tony and Avery met up with them somewhere, and we're like, do you guys want to go joyriding with us?
What a date. And they were like, cool. So Tony and Avery said Joey Wells knew the plan.
But he claims to, and he's claimed he had no idea.
Okay. I don't think he had any idea. And that's Tony's nephew.
Yeah. The 17 year olds. And he actually refuses like he refused to ever speak about it again after that.
Like he was like, no, I hadn't. And I really don't think he had any idea.
And then what about Teresa? Definitely had no idea. oh my god can we i don't know where this is going but that's your first fucking date oh this is a real bad first fucking date Oh, no.
Like, I'm going to make you all feel better about any shitty first date you've ever been on because I can pretty much guarantee you they're not worse than this.
Oh, no. So Avery made a stop at his mother's trailer and he picked up his 22 caliber Remington automatic rifle.
And he told his mother that he wanted to go rabbit hunting that night, and that's why he needed it.
Do people rabbit hunt at night? Apparently.
Okay. They had Teresa and Joey with them, and they said to them, hey, do you guys want to stop by that Corpsewood Manor place and like hang out with those dudes because they have good wine and blah blah blah And Joey Wells was like, hell yeah, I want free alcohol because he's 17.
I'm 17. Teresa was like, I heard they're devil worshippers.
I don't know, because that was the rumor around town.
Like, These weirdos, everybody. And of course, it's, you know, it's in the deep south in the early 80s.
So people were looking at it as. These are devil worshippers in the woods, and they're also gay.
Yikes. It's not good for, you know. It's like a triple whammy.
So all these horrible rumors were being set into motion about them simply because they were gay and followed the Church of Satan.
The whole way, so they all decided they were going to go to Corpsewood Manor.
The whole way there, the four of them were huffing something called Toodaloo.
Huffing Toodaloo, which is a wholesome combination of paint thinner, alcohol, and glue.
What the fuck? Why would you willingly choose to do... I can't wrap my brain around that.
I just love that it's called Toodaloo. y'all want to huff some toadaloo like no i don't know what yeah no so you do not want to have some toadaloo.
Can you imagine if you were on a date and the guy was like, you want to huff some toadaloo?
I'd be like, my Uber is here. Bye. I am so busy that day.
I actually have an appointment I have to get to yesterday.
Thank you, sir. Good night. Thanks for dinner.
So, yeah, they're doing all, you know, just doing the toodaloo.
I just love the name of it. Toodaloo. Well, I feel like it's telling.
Yeah, it really is like toodaloo. Toodaloo.
Toodaloo brain cells. That's exactly it.
Fucking glue, alcohol, and paint fumes. Yeah, it's no good.
So when they got to Corpsewood Manor, Theresa, who later talked to police and gave them every bit of information they needed, She told police that Charles greeted them happily.
Charles is Dr. Scudder. And he just said, can I bum a cigarette from you guys?
And then he was like, hey, you guys can go up to the chicken coop, like, guest house situation.
And he was like, I'm just going to go get something.
I'll be back. So they climbed the 40-foot ladder to the pink room.
Was that how you always got up there? Yeah.
That's dope. That's like a 40-foot ladder.
Yeah. And Scudder told them he was going to go get some of his wine and bring it up.
And he was like, we can all hang back. It'll be a nice night.
Imagine climbing back down a 40-foot ladder drunk.
Yeah, that's no good. Woof. Well, so he came back with the wine.
Everything was chill. There were paths in and around.
It was like a nice little gathering. Everybody was just hanging out.
Cool. and shortly into this whole thing Avery just gets up and is like oh I just have to run out to my car real quick Okay.
So they're like, okay. And I think he was like, I'm going to get some more toadaloo.
And so he came back and he was holding the rifle.
And he was, like, super casual about it.
Just, like, walked up there. Just holding it?
And just, like, sat down with his rifle.
Oh, that's scary. That's what nightmares are made of.
So he just sits down on the mattress with the rifle.
Nope. Dr. Scudder, I think, was like... Can you get that out of my pink room?
Is this supposed to be weird? I don't know what the... What's the protocol here?
He wasn't freaking out or anything, but he was just like, this is kind of odd.
But again, they were in the deep south and there was... a lot of hunters in the area who they were very familiar with.
So maybe he was like, are you planning on hunting later?
Like, yeah. Weird. But what he did was he looked at him and he like jokingly was like, bang, bang.
I'm dead. Shut the fuck up. That's amazing.
Which I love. I love that so much. It makes you love him so much more.
This dude walks in with a rifle and he's just like, bang, bang.
That's adorable. That's his way of diffusing a situation, which I think is hilarious and amazing.
So apparently like Avery just kind of like was like, yeah, that's funny.
And then they just went back to drinking wine.
Like, like it did. And no one was like, why do you have that?
And then it did diffuse the situation for a second.
So he was like, okay. Well, Dr. Scudder stood up and he was like going to do something in the corner.
I think he was like fixing... you know a light or something like that suddenly avery just jumped up oh no grabbed him by his hair, and got a knife out of his boot and pressed it against his throat.
Jesus Christ, this escalated quickly. Out of nowhere.
This was out of nowhere. Teresa and Joey tried to run away, but they were stopped.
And they were basically told by Tony. Because they ran out the pink room and were going down the ladder and like to their car.
They were like, nope. I'm not here for this because, again, they had no idea that this was what this was.
Oh, this is fucked. So Tony grabbed them and was like, if you guys don't come back in here, we're going to kill you. so Avery basically had him you know the knife to his throat demanded money.
He was like, where's all your money? And then he tossed him onto the mattress and he cut strips from the pink sheet and he gagged Scudder with it. and then cut his coat and kind of weaved the pieces through his coat and tied him up that way.
What? yeah the whole time he's literally screaming at him like where's the money tell me where the money is I'd be like look around the money is in these beautiful items that we have.
Idiot. And Scudder kept saying he didn't have any money there.
He was like, we really don't because... Although he did have like a small inheritance from his father passing away.
It was in the bank. Right. Like he didn't have it just like in a pile in like a bag with a fucking dollar sign on it.
I don't even know what this would be. He's like, you're an idiot.
And so he also demanded to know who else is in the house here.
Like, who else is here? So he said, you know, Odom is in the house and the two dogs are in the house, in the actual house.
So Avery said, I'm gonna go take care of that. which to me, it's like, oh, okay, so you weren't coming just to rob him.
Like, this was your plan all along. Yeah.
And... He said that now what Avery claims is that he went to the house and He found Odom in the kitchen cleaning up after supper.
And he said Odom reached for a gun. But the evidence disputes this completely because no gun was found anywhere near Odom.
And they only had one pistol and it was up on the floor. top floor okay like in a box somewhere like it was nowhere near right Now, Odom, what actually happened was Odom was interrupted in the kitchen where he had been cleaning up after supper by Avery.
Avery screamed at him to get out of the house, and he said that Odom just looked up at him. really quick, like, what the fuck?
And he said as soon as he looked at him, he fired four rounds into Odom with the rifle.
What? Several more rounds killed the two bullmastiffs.
No, no. The bull mastiffs were curled around the wood stove on like sleeping in their beds because that's they would sleep around the wood stove because it was nice and warm.
And they were still in their bed. They hadn't even woken up.
That's my least favorite part. Now, later...
Avery would say that he shot, but he said he shot wildly.
He didn't mean to shoot at him. And he said that the bullets were just ricocheting everywhere. can every murderer stop that excuse of like I just shot blankly into the world and I was like it hit someone one what yeah like that's crazy well in this one he's like i shot this and it just ricocheted everywhere and it happened to shoot odom four times in the head and the arm and then also hit both dogs and kill them where they slept.
It was the weirdest thing. Seems legit. Like, Avery, go fuck yourself.
No. Idiot. So back in the pink room, they heard the gunshots.
Oh, no. And so they're like. Scudder's probably freaking out.
Yeah. So Avery came back into the pink room and announced, quote, well, I killed that man and those dogs.
Oh. No, poor Scudder. And at this point, no one knows if Odom was actually dead at this point, which it doesn't look like he was, unfortunately.
So he just bled out probably? I think so.
And so he decided now that him and Tony decided that now they were going to lead Scudder back into the manor.
Because they were going to get him to find the money and give it to them.
But there wasn't any. Meanwhile, there was no money.
So this was just literally a fruitless effort.
He was telling the truth. So his hands were tied like he was all bound up.
So they had to essentially carry him down this ladder tied up.
Teresa and Joey were forced to come as well.
Now, Scudder was brought into the manor, and as soon as he got into the manor, Odom is in front of him on the floor oh god like that scene is right when he walks in And Odom was shot in the kitchen, like we said, but they found him halfway between the kitchen and the hallway like he had tried to.
Like maybe like. get somewhere and and he like tried to escape out of the house but he died where he was oh that's awful And Teresa told police that now Scudder is gagged at this point and is being held up by them.
And he said when he looked down at, you know, Odom and his dogs that he just like moaned.
Like it was just this like awful grieving moan that came from him.
And she said it was like awful. oh and they just and they didn't give shit so they just kept demanding money where is it where is it like look what we just did like tell me where your money is So Tony threw Scudder down on a couch, again screaming at him, where's the money?
And also screamed at him, where's your soldering iron? and he said we don't have a fucking soldering iron i don't have electricity out here right So they didn't, obviously nothing happened with that.
Thank goodness they did not have electricity because if they did have a soldering iron, this could have been even worse.
More gruesome. But the fact that they were still on that?
Yeah, that's fucked up. You just killed this man's partner and dogs, and now you're still thinking you're going to prolong his awful torture?
Like torture him? So apparently they're yelling at him.
Where's the money? Where's the money? He's on the couch.
He's like, I don't have any. He's trying to tell them, like, please, I swear I don't have any.
So then all of a sudden they said, Teresa, this is from Teresa's first-hand account of this whole thing, and she's very truthful about it.
Okay. She said Scudder stood. He, like, got himself to his feet.
And he started shuffling over to Odom. And Tony was screaming at him to stop, saying like, sit back down, I'm gonna kill you if you don't sit.
But he just ignored him completely. And they said that he and she said that he stopped right over Odom and just like stared down at him.
And he said, quote, I asked for this. What?
And those were his final words. Where I asked for this.
And Tony shot Scudder in the face and the head at close range two to three times.
He fell to his knees and he tried to say something and stand again, Teresa said, but he fired one more shot, which made him fall into the bookcase.
And he tried to say something else and he shot him three more times.
Oh, my God. Altogether, I know that sounded like a lot of shots.
I think it was five times that he got shot in the head.
And he said, I asked for this. His last words were, I asked for this.
Well, and that's what I want to get into that later, like, what we think that means, because nobody, like...
Obviously, we don't know what that means.
He only knows what that means. But I do want to get into that later, like talk about what we think that means.
So Tony, so now Scudder was gone. Tony told Avery and Joey to go upstairs and steal whatever they could.
And poor Teresa is literally sitting there.
She's like, am I going to get home tonight?
What they ended up leaving this manor with...
Is a bag of dimes and nickels. They fucking took dimes and nickels.
One silver candelabra and a gold-plated dagger.
That's it. Out of all the fucking shit.
So they murdered these two men and their dogs for dimes and nickels.
For literally like a handful of change. Yeah, they really were on Toodaloo, huh?
Yeah. Like fucking Toodaloo. It's awful.
That's so senseless. That's what kills me about this is like how senseless this is.
That drives me bananas. How awful this is.
It's like this was his like dream. life.
They poured everything they had into it.
I wish they had gone to the Berkshires. And it's like, ugh, I know, that's what I'm thinking.
So what they ended up doing was they took Tony's red 1970 AMC Javelin.
And they also stole Scudder's black CJ5 Jeep.
And they left in those two cars. Okay. A guy named Raymond Williams actually came upon Corpse Herd Manor two days later because he was a friend of theirs.
And he was coming to let them know that another friend of theirs had passed away in Rome, Georgia.
Jesus Christ. And when he got there, he saw bullet holes in the kitchen door and he called police.
Teresa came forward as well and told police she knew who killed them.
So she came on her own volition and was like, I know what happened.
I will tell you everything. Tony and Avery made it to Bonneva, Mississippi, and they they pulled over at a rest stop to switch out cars because they were like, we need to get it. another car yeah because we're in they were in scutter's car tony all of a sudden handcuffed a navy lieutenant named kirby phelps to steal his car oh big mistake well they took him by gunpoint into the woods and tony was saying we're just gonna tie him to a tree and steal his car did they shoot him West shot him in the head twice and killed him.
Oh my god. Literally just an innocent man at a rest stop and In the wrong place at the wrong time.
The world is so fucked. And it's like they're just saying we're going to tie him to a tree and steal his car.
Which is shitty enough. Why did you kill him?
Like, you didn't have to kill that man. Like, you were gonna get his car regardless.
Yeah, so this is how, like, cold-blooded these motherfuckers are.
Avery ended up turning himself in on December 20th, 1982.
Oh, yeah. And five days later on Christmas Day, Tony turned himself in in Chattanooga, Tennessee.
Like, cool. Don't know why it suddenly, you know, I'm assuming it's like the heat was bearing down and they knew they were getting caught anyways.
So they were figuring we'll just spin this story to try to.
Because I'm sure they knew. There's already all these rumors about these guys.
People already have an opinion. We can turn this in our favor.
Ugh. What a bunch of jackholes. In fact, during his confession, Tony told Chattanooga County Sheriff Tony Gilliland.
He said, quote, all I can say is they were devils and I killed them.
That's how I feel about it. Oh, so he was just like, I don't give a fuck.
Now, when police started their investigation at Corpsewood Manor after they were called to the scene.
They found all the artwork that Scudder created and collected and some of it was darker because he liked the occult.
He liked... That doesn't mean anything.
Just because you like dark shit doesn't make you this bad person.
Oh, my God. focused on those ones. There was also a stained glass window that Charles had made himself of The trademark symbol of the Church of Satan, which is I think like an inverted pentagram. with like a goat's head on it.
Someone will tell you if you're wrong. They will.
Somebody will yell at me, so I'm sorry. But I think that's what it was.
That's what I read at least. There was also one other piece of artwork that I'm not going to tell you what it is yet.
I thought you were just like, I'm not going to tell you what it was.
I'm never going to tell you what this was.
That's it. So thank you for listening. No, I'm going to leave it till the end because. it's just gonna blow your mind a little bit, this piece of artwork, and I just feel like it's important.
So there was one piece of artwork that was very, very interesting.
Now, the day after they finished investigating the scene, the chicken coop in Pink Room burned down. mysteriously and the manor was burned down soon after as well also which is really sad That's horrible after they worked so hard and poured their heart and fucking soul into it.
Put this together brick by brick with their own hands and it's just like, oh, what a bummer.
So once the trial started, Scudder and Odom were immediately labeled, quote, homosexual devil worshippers.
Great. And remember, they were gay eccentric and in the deep south in the 80s.
Not a good combo for sympathy. And they were also isolated, reclusive, all that stuff. people went wild with the rumors.
Also, here's my deal though. Like they were reclusive and not bothering anybody.
Exactly. Like did any fucking kids go missing in their fucking basement?
Well, and so Scudder's affiliation with the Church of Satan was like the kicker.
But he didn't do anything to anybody. Well, the problem with this was this was smack down. dab in the middle of the satanic panic hysteria in the US.
That was during the 80s and early 90s. It was...
I mean, bonk. Him having an affiliation with the Church of Satan was the worst thing that could have been coming to it.
Do you think that's why he said, I asked for this?
I wonder if that was part of it. This was when people like Geraldo Rivera... were telling people that Satanists were everywhere and they were violent and gonna sacrifice your children and like literally doing documentaries.
Ugh. about this and like it was all over the news and they're saying that like you know people with dark clothing on are going to come steal your pets and murder them.
And I know both of us are sitting here like, welp.
A hairdresser is going to come and steal your kids.
A hairdresser is going to come steal your animals and your kids and sacrifice them.
The West Memphis Three case, which we will cover.
Oh, yeah. You better believe we're going to cover it.
In multiple parts. Oh, that's going to be a multi-part.
That's a good-ass case. That was a piece of collateral damage from this really disturbing time that resembled the witch trials a little too much with the hysteria that was caused. homosexuality was seen by fundamentalists as the work of the devil at this time.
So Scudder and Joey just really didn't stand a chance of being seen as anything other than evil demons who deserved what they got.
That makes me really sad. The media portrayed them as such.
Of course. They referred back to the occult books, you know. all the occult stuff found in the house any of the stuff like pentagrams and stuff that they found and they they essentially just kind of like made it an afterthought that these two innocent men were brutally murdered in their home for a bag of change right the public went nuts This whole case was labeled the devil worshippers case.
So it was like never about... It was never about the victims, like painting them as victims.
It was like the devil worshipers. Right.
And that's not what they are. They don't worship the devil.
There was also a documentary about the case that was created and hosted by unbelievably conservative religious bias and basically painted them as like asking for.
These people got murdered. I know you just said that, but I'm just still at that point.
No, it will never make sense. And the person who hosted this documentary actually...
She had Teresa interview with her. And Teresa was obviously fucking there.
And she wanted her to kind of support her agenda of the victims actually being devil worshippers who drugged these people.
Is that where the wine LSD comes in? And but Teresa adamantly claimed there were no drugs that night. aside from the toodaloo that they had huffed themselves and brought themselves beforehand.
She said there was no drugs. We were drinking wine.
And she said, I drank the same wine that they did.
None of us were drugged. Because that was the big thing.
Now they were like, oh, they put LSD in the wine.
And like these guys went nuts. That's what happened.
Oh, my God. and she was like nope and she said also acid doesn't make you a fucking murderer no And she said she never even saw drug paraphernalia in the home or around it.
She said there was nothing there that would suggest there was drugs.
But they were like, well, the devil. Yeah, they were like, pretty sure you're dumb.
So she then revealed in this interview that once... avery had shot dr scudder she said he looked at tony and said something along the lines of like now tell me i don't have the guts to kill nobody So this was like fucking truth or dare.
So she was like, so he was fully aware of what he was doing. and him being crazy on drugs.
He was very aware of what he was doing and it had been planned, obviously.
So feeding into the public's craziness about this, defense attorneys said the two murderers, Tony and Avery.
We're given wine laced with LSD by Scudder.
And even though they had literally zero evidence of this, there was none found in their systems, and none of the bottles tested had any LSD in them. this is so annoying and like I had said earlier that they found LSD in like in the property because he did have it in the property.
They found three vials of LSD-25, which is the government LSD.
They were found in a cigar box on Scudder's desk.
Like they were in a cigar box. They weren't like laying around.
So they weren't just like chilling in the pink room.
Yeah. And like I said, they were trying to prove that that's it.
He drugged the wine, but... It came out via the evidence.
They couldn't prove that at all because, in fact, the evidence pointed... that there was literally no LSD on anything.
Right. Only in those vials. Wasn't on anything else.
Wasn't anywhere. While in jail, Avery attempted suicide at one point.
That's interesting. And... He was offered the chance for life in prison instead of the death penalty.
He also confessed about eight times. And never ever mentioned that he was drugged until all of a sudden it came out that they found those LSD vials.
And then it became so... Super casual. Or convenient, I meant.
Yeah, suddenly I remember that I was drugged.
So suddenly I had a brand new story about being super trippy during the murders.
Oh, yeah. And he thought the dogs were these like giant. monsters yeah like yeah and he said everything was glowing right all of a sudden totally and And he was an idiot because when he was asked during this whole thing about whether he had read up on LSD and its effects at all, he said, well, not till I got in here.
You're fucking kidding me. Really? So he researched it to pretend he had been drunk.
Like he researched the effects of it and then just he just blurted it back.
At trial, he was found guilty on all counts and sentenced to three consecutive life terms.
Well, at least the jury wasn't a bunch of fucking douchebags.
He's still currently serving his sentence in Georgia State Prison.
Good. Prison. He's in prison. They are in prison.
They put him in prison. Is that worse than prison?
That's different from prison. It's for special folks.
It's for the real dumb ones. You know what?
You don't even deserve prison. We're giving you an extra H in that. you're that dumb.
Yeah. no because that's how you pronounce that's how you pronounce it because you're dumb so tony west was convicted of double homicide and sentenced to die in the electric chair yeah but his death sentence was repealed then the death sentence was repealed and he's currently serving out a life sentence at augusta state medical prison Okay.
Prussian. Is he in prison or Prussian? I think he's a Prussian too.
I think they both deserve to be in Prussian and plenty of other places I could name.
There was a small private funeral held at Corpsewood for Odin, Odin and Odin.
And Scudder. This case really hurt my heart.
Odom's ashes were Scuddered. Oh my god. Oh my god.
Oh my god. Wow. I know that was like a slip, a really sad slip.
It was so sad. Odom's ashes were scattered in his rose garden.
Oh, I know. I actually just started crying.
Goodbye. Didn't that just like, you know, the feeling when you're like actually going to cry.
Yeah. It's like when we were talking about Phoebe's Viking funeral.
Oh, yeah. It's just too beautiful for me.
It's just give. Is she like, it's exactly all the things I want to do when I die.
It's just like, like, I just want to be in a rose garden and also get a Viking send off.
Because he loved that rose garden. Can you write that down?
Yeah. Thank you. I will. It's now being recorded for posterity.
Scudder's body was sent home to Milwaukee because that's what his sister requested.
Now today, people still go and visit the spot of this because there's still some ruins up of the manor, basically.
That's pretty cool. which I would love to see this place.
I would love to go and see it. And of course, people think they see ghosts there and hear voices there.
People say that they hear gunshot, sparking dogs, and shattering glass.
And they also say that they hear Scudder's golden harp playing.
I hope they hear that. I hope they do hear that.
If I went there, I would want to hear that.
And I hope he's like sitting just playing his harp.
Yeah, peacefully in the pink room. Earlier I mentioned that there was one piece of artwork that was very intriguing.
Oh, what was it? That they took or that they... No, it was still there.
It was just a very... It's very interesting.
They found it when they were investigating.
So months before this whole thing happened, Odom woke up in the middle of the night and told Scudder that he had a terrible nightmare about him. so he described the whole thing to him and Scudder was so disturbed by it that he decided I have to paint this Because it's therapeutic.
I need to get this out. It was a self-portrait that is literally a premonition of his death.
No. In the painting, Scudder is gagged and has five bullet wounds in his head.
No. He died gagged with five bullet wounds in his head.
Both Avery and Tony said they never saw that painting. because of course people were like, well, maybe they were trying to recreate it.
No, they're not. They both said they were like, no, we never saw that.
Also, they're just not fucking smart. And why?
They're not artists. They wouldn't even know that that was him probably in the painting.
I'm going to post a photo of the painting.
I just got goosebumps. And this was months before this happened.
Also, that's love. right like they were so in love right i feel like they were like i feel like it was like they had like real partnership i don't know why i just want to watch heather's now It's kind of odd.
I know. Well, now I just want to know what he meant by, I asked for this.
Because there's so many different things.
Did he mean because I painted it to life?
It could be I asked for this because I put us in this isolated place.
It could be I asked for this because we are two gay men living in the deep south in the 80s and 80s.
I asked for this. Like, why did I do this?
Or like I invited this kid into our house.
I was hospitable to strangers. I asked for this.
I let people into my home. I think he meant that he was different. and then like what was acceptable in that area that's what i think and he asked for it i think it It was a combination of I'm different, I'm what people are seeing as eccentric and not okay and dangerous, and I also allowed these people to come my home my heart i just collapsed which is she really did i just needed a minute isn't that like such a tale oh such a tale no that one that one really hurt yeah that one is like a really tough one That's just really awful and so senseless.
And they fucking just took dimes and nickels.
Senseless crime. ever and it's like these men invited you into their home and like we're giving you their wine that they made.
And it's just like, I'm really sad about this.
I'm so glad they're in prison forever. Me too.
Like, thank goodness. Actually, excuse me.
They're in prison. That they're in prison forever.
Thank you. Because that's what they deserve.
You deserve prison. Then I feel bad. I'm like, I wonder what Teresa Hudgens is feeling.
Well, I'd like to tell you that she never went on another date again.
Like, I never would. No, that's how I feel too.
How would you ever? No, I just wouldn't. ever trust another human I just wouldn't but then again it's like poor and I say poor Joey I believe he didn't know what was going on no I don't think either of them did and it's like That guy is like Jesus.
Because I think Teresa would have been able to tell if he and then she would have said so.
Yeah, I think so, too, because she was very upfront about everything that happened.
And she has like I heard some interviews with her.
And if I can post some, I will. I don't know. if I can she has like the cutest just little like southern like We were huffing total low.
She sounds very much like the people from the West Memphis 3 documentary.
Oh, yeah. She has that very, like... She's just, like, down home.
Just that, like, wholesome accent. Wholesome.
Wholesome. And she just seems like she just didn't know, man.
And I just feel so bad. Oh, honey. The whole thing.
That's why you don't. Go on a first date and then go hang out with like two other dudes and huff paint with them.
Yeah. If Toodaloo is involved, Toodaloo.
Get out of there. I love that. It's like dare but different.
It is. Just say no to drugs. Just say toodaloo to drugs.
Just say toodaloo to drugs. Except LSD. Unless it's in wine, which it wasn't, okay?
Which it wasn't. Wow. So that's the murders at Corpsewood Manor.
That was not a mini morbid. I don't think it was.
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