Life is not... I was gonna say life is not romantic.
There are parts of life that are romantic.
We may be romanticizing other people's romanticizing of life.
You think you want these things, but it's just because you see other people wanting it.
Let's get into the land that I love.
After you break up with someone, you can only think about the highlights of the relationship.
Your mind is trying to escape the hurt, the heartbreak, the pain.
So you're like, no, the relationship was great.
It was fantastic.
That's what we talk about all the time time on voice.
Sex is how powerful your minds are and how crazy it is that you can just convince yourself of something or another when it's not even true.
Welcome back to Voice Hugs, a podcast on becoming your best self and embracing all seasons of life with open arms.
This is your host, Vivian and...
Rowena!
We're using full names today!
Which reminds me, this weekend I texted Ro.
I was going through a moment and I was like, Rowena.
And she instantly responded because I never do that.
She... I...
All the possibilities, the best things, the worst things all flashed through my mind.
And I was like going through like as her speech bubble was typing.
I was like, is it this?
Is it this?
Is it this?
Is it this?
I don't like I don't know.
I was in such a moment that I just simply texted Rowena and then pressed enter.
Yeah.
I need your attention right now.
The thing is you were in New York.
So then I was like, does she run into someone?
Does she see someone who I knew?
Like, is this something with me?
Like many things went through my mind.
Yes.
And we will not be talking about the thing.
Maybe, maybe next season.
Season five, season seven.
Yeah, but I was in New York this weekend and it was a quick weekend trip.
We went there for a wedding and I always feel this way before going to New York.
So I've been to New York. maybe like seven to 10 times already.
And each time I go, I have this feeling right before I go.
I have this feeling when I'm there and it's, I wish I live here.
Like I love it here.
I love the energy here.
I imagine my life in New York and like There's a little bit of romanticizing involved and leading up until this trip.
I haven't been to New York since I think your engagement, which was 2022.
Yeah yeah 2022, so four years yeah, usually i don't know i'll go like every well, especially well, did i visit you?
I visited you like twice yeah, maybe three times yeah Anyways, I'd go every couple of years.
And yeah, leading up to this trip, I was like wow, I want to live here, but I'm in a completely different stage of life.
And today we are going to talk about romanticizing these lives, these seasons, these places, these careers that you know.
There's always that one thing where you think about it and there's such fondness over it.
You see the highlight reels of that life and why that happens.
When is it good?
And when does it get a little bit detrimental when you delude too hard?
Yeah, I think it's good to be delulu.
I actually live by that motto.
We've talked about this before.
I shoot for the moon right, and then usually i land somewhere among the stars, sometimes to my detriment, right of like oh, i think i can do everything within like five minutes, but it's like no, it's gonna take three hours.
Um, but yes, DeLulu is great, but I think sometimes you still have to.
You still have to do the things or, like steps still have to happen for you to be.
I think DeLulu is the vision, and then you still have to actively um, make your way to that.
But yeah, sometimes it can just, the vision can just go, the vision can vision too hard.
And sometimes the vision is not even something that is like you actually want.
And that's interesting too.
Yeah.
So we'll talk about that.
Yeah.
Cause.
I think for a while, even for me when I was living in New York, It was just the influx of influencers and creators moving to New York, because I think, like everyone, got bored or whatever, used to the backdrop that is LA and sunshine and palm trees and clear skies and great weather.
And then New York.
I think the backdrop just like a little bit more grunge, like the brick buildings in Soho city life.
It's a bit, it's just different.
I was gonna say it's dirtier.
I mean, it kind of is.
Downtown LA is pretty dirty.
That's the crazy thing.
When I lived in New York and I came back to downtown LA, I was like this is wild.
La is yes yeah, compared to new york yeah, really quick.
When i was in new york, i was because it's like big city, lots of buildings.
Right, there's a smell to new york yes, but it doesn't smell like la.
No, la smells terrible.
Downtown la smells Like human feces.
It is.
It is sad.
Yeah.
LA, New York has a different smell to the city.
Yeah.
Yeah.
So I don't know.
Was that?
Was that friendly of us to say all cities have their unique smells and we appreciate all the smells it comes with.
There's history and there's culture everywhere you go.
Yes okay sorry, i've been shaking this feelings jar Because I want to know what Ro's inner weather report is this week.
Let's do what is... How much or how little are you currently romanticizing your life?
Oh, okay.
With?
With...
All right.
So we are going to be answering with clothing pieces from Joyce Jun.
Oh, how little are you going to be wearing, like us?
Or like a big puffer jacket?
I was thinking more like chloe runway, like flowy romantic or like I don't know, like graphs.
Graphic tees.
I'm like, how little or how thick of clothing are you going to wear?
We can also do that.
Okay, okay.
I think I'm more in like a t-shirt and... sweatpants, what I'm currently wearing season in my life.
I think having a child humbles you.
Not that because of a child, you can't romanticize.
Well, maybe you don't have time to romanticize.
I think I'm still in a t-shirt and sweats, but there's magic everywhere.
Like with the stains on your shirt that you used to get so mad about, but now you're just like it's no big deal.
Maybe there's like a little some little frills on my t-shirt holes yeah, spit but then vomit, but the holes are like artsy.
So you're seeing the art and beauty yeah, of what was a casual t-shirt before yeah, but then no, but like there's like some frills, like it's like a elevated t-shirt.
Elevated t-shirt.
It's cut really nicely, fits your body.
Romanticizing it maybe like 30 30 30 45, i am.
I am curious as a mother yeah, what you do romanticize about now.
So we'll get into that okay.
Yeah, I was wearing a full puffer coat.
From what's a puffer coat?
Yeah, Aritzia, North Face, super dry.
All the puffers fully romanticized.
And then now, after I've left New York and I've brought myself back to reality and we're about to record this episode and talk about all the reflections um, i'm back to yeah, probably like a casual casual it's kind of hot right now, so i was gonna say like a sweater, but maybe like oh okay, okay okay, like a nice cardigan with a tank top inside and like nice pants jeans jeans, nice fitted levi jeans.
Yeah, so still kind of elevated, not super, super casual, like sweatpants.
Yeah yeah, because i think there's some sparkle now that i took from the romanticizing and brought it back to la, And that's another thing we can talk about later too, of how there's like good parts of romanticizing, just as how, sometimes if it's too de lulu, you know.
Mm-hmm.
Yeah.
Okay.
Mm-hmm.
Tell us about your trip.
Okay, let's begin.
Yeah.
Okay, let's begin.
Okay.
So every time I go– Like, so excited.
Okay.
So I love New York.
Every time I go, I'm like, I'm going to live my best life for the three, four days that I'm here.
There was one week that Ro let me stay in her apartment.
You were out of town.
And I just straight up wore my Delulu pants, pretending I was living the New York dream in her beautiful, fully furnished, fully decorated, high-rise top-of-the-building apartment.
I was like, I am Vivian Van, living...
Rowena Size Life.
And then you're sending me photos of your outfits.
Yeah, because I was also raiding her closet.
It was so cute.
And I was like, every day I'm like dressing up.
I wake up really early.
I get my coffee.
I go journal at the coffee shop.
I get a croissant.
I get, you know, lunch.
And then I go explore a little area.
I remember going to Bryant Park and journaling.
Anyways, okay.
So that is the vibe, right?
Something also interesting is every time I go to New York slash any vacation...
I try so much harder when it comes to dressing up, doing your hair, doing your makeup.
And it's not that I'm, I was trying to figure out like, where does this come from?
And you just have this energy. where you want to do it.
And the interesting thing is when you do do that, you walk around feeling confident.
Yeah, you walk around feeling like, oh, I look good, I feel good.
And then the whole day is like a different shift, right?
Anyways yeah, leading up to this trip, I kept telling Rory like oh, if I could redo my 20s, I would like come here.
But I didn't like make enough money and it was just too hard.
Like mentally, I was in the right place.
We get to New York and both of us are kind of feeling this energy.
I wanted to share this song.
So Harry Styles just came out with an album.
And there's this song on the album called Coming Up Roses.
Oh, it is a beautiful song.
So there are sing it for us.
Absolutely not.
But there are very few moments where, when I listen to, a full album or a song comes up I'm like or me and we're both like, holy crap, this song is so good.
And we had that moment in new york.
So this song has a lot of strings and his voice is just gorgeous.
It's like a beautiful melody.
It feels different than the rest of his album.
I don't care for the rest of his album, um but there's also this orchestra part after the chorus where it like builds and it feels almost cinematic and It ends with this lyric where he says and it's just you and me, or something like that.
It's very romantic.
I took a nap one of the days and Rory decides to go out and we're staying in Times Square, which is one of the craziest places areas in new york city, if not the craziest it is.
The craziest is the place that all locals avoid if they can.
Yes yeah, like.
If you ever tell someone oh, i'm staying at times square, they're like why.
Yeah Like, okay.
Anyway, so we're staying around Times Square.
He puts on his headphones and he's walking around Times Square listening to the song.
And he comes back and when I wake up, he tells me about it.
He was like, oh my God, I'm like romanticizing New York now.
So I re-listened to the song and then envisioned myself walking through Times Square.
And I was like, this is euphoric.
It is so beautiful.
I feel like I'm in a movie.
I'm just so happy.
And the funniest thing is when I'm thinking about Times Square, which we were walking in and out of.
Times Square is so crazy.
Like you walk out, it smells like weed.
There's people everywhere.
There's rats.
I saw rats.
There's trash bags everywhere, there's tourists everywhere, there's like a guy wearing a bootleg pikachu, mickey mouse thing trying to take photos, or people trying to take photos and sell photos to you.
Yes, you hear the song concrete jungles where dreams are made of, like every corner you walk.
It's actually so chaotic yeah, and over stimulating yes, but all of that was non-existent in our heads just because we were romanticizing this moment in New York.
Yeah, and that really stuck to me because I was like how interesting that we can create this not like dream, but like this fantasy, this romanticized version of our reality in this moment, when life is actually like so crazy.
And what about that?
Can you, What does that mean?
What can you do with that information?
Some of it was like, oh wow, I can do that at home.
How do I get into that mind space at home?
It's not realistic to do it every single day, but when you're stuck in a rut which I think is what I was feeling and Why maybe part of what I was doing in New York was like constantly romanticizing like oh, I wish I lived here.
I wish I could go shopping here.
I wish I could walk and get 15,000, 20,000 steps a day.
And then we were playing Pikmin Bloom and like, there's flowers, flowers everywhere, and I was planting flowers in the concrete jungles where dreams are made of.
What dreams tomato?
Viv was sending me, so in Pikmin Bloom it's just a.
If you guys know Pokemon Go, it's basically like the same layout, but then instead of gyms where you battle, there's mushrooms.
Anyway, it's, you're a Pikmin and then you plant seeds and you bloom flowers.
Anyway, so you can send each other postcards for wherever you go.
And Viv sent me a bunch of postcards from New York.
That in and of itself is so romantic.
I took screenshots so we can put it in.
Really, I just no.
I think it's like between friends, like we don't, like we.
We're not in the generation where you send postcards right so, like to get something.
It's like oh, my friend's thinking of me, and then it's of like all these places that I miss so much.
So when Viv sent me these postcards, I turned to James and I was like, oh my god, I miss New York.
I miss New York so much.
Yeah.
You were there for so long, too.
For almost 10 years.
Crazy.
Which is wild.
And I think...
Yeah, I think I even romanticized New York living there.
It's like I think it's just when you say is whenever you travel, or is it specific, is like depending on where you travel to, that it makes you want to like get ready go journal.
I do tend to like places that are busy.
I like big cities.
So like going to Seoul, Korea, or even like Taipei.
I like going to like the big cities.
Yeah, interesting.
Yes, just two city girls living in the suburbs.
Yeah.
We visited San Francisco a few, maybe like half a year ago.
And I remember just we were staying with friends who lived.
Even if you live like a bit out of downtown san francisco or like the financial district, it's still like you're still in a city and you can just walk out and there's like pastry shops, there's coffee shops, there's a park, and i just remember being like i miss living in a city so much, so much, I think, maybe because, like I grew up in Taiwan.
So then like the accessibility, the walkability.
But anyway, specifically for New York, I've told you this before.
I don't know if I've said this on the podcast, but ever since I moved to New York, whenever I would leave and come back and I would I would come visit home often.
Whenever, as soon as I, as soon as the plane touched down, as soon as I step foot on the tarmac, or like the connecting tarmac Gate between the airplane, and like the airport.
I just feel like anything is possible.
Like I'm back, baby.
I am so bad.
It doesn't matter what my life was like, but right now I'm back in New York and I am back um and then, just like the drive from what?
No matter what airport you land, whether it's new new york, whether it is gfk, whether it's la guardia you're going to drive by the skyline and, especially if you're flying in, and it doesn't matter if it's nighttime, doesn't matter if it's daytime, you're gonna see the city and you're just like Anything is possible.
Yeah.
Chills.
Why?
Why is that a thing?
I think specifically with New York.
It's just like an architectural feat to have such a beautiful sprawling city.
I don't know.
I don't know.
Like it just makes you, I think there's like many layers to it.
I think one of them, I'm just like, we're coming up with this off and just freestyling.
Um, but I think when you see something like when you kind of when you live in the suburbs, the biggest things are maybe like trees, right?
Which is nice.
Yeah.
And then buildings are like...
Yeah, they're all like little houses.
And maybe you have like a bigger house or like a mansion.
But even then, it's still... It's not too high, right?
But I think when you see a city, like a sprawling city with high-rises...
It makes you realize how small you are in a good way.
For some people like James, he's like, I feel suffocated.
So it could be like also a bad way.
But I think it's the glass half full, glass half empty would just apply to something else where I think for people like us, maybe we see it and we're just like infinite possibilities.
Or it's like you realize you're like humbled but like excited, because you're like, oh yes, I'm so small.
But if I can make a dent in the universe here or like, if I can make it here, then I can literally make it anywhere.
And this is where the channel of Rowena Sai was born.
Yeah.
That is the glamorous side.
Yes.
Okay.
And this is interesting too, because the first two to three days, it was this energy, right?
It was like, oh, wow, I'm going to come back.
And I'm like rejuvenated, super energized, inspired.
I have this newfound energy.
And then it was after this song, this moment, when i realized like actually i'm walking through time square and the reality is like It's really chaotic, right.
Then I was like, okay, let's actually imagine what living in New York would be like.
It's really expensive.
I'd have to work my butt off to pay for rent.
I'd probably have to hustle.
Right.
I'd have to hustle.
I probably have to work.
One would have to hustle.
A job and then a side job and then maybe another side job.
And if I'm working all day, will I actually get to enjoy the city?
And because there's so much to do. well, I feel guilty for not doing it.
And it was interesting because when we were hanging out with my cousin, who has lived there for four years, and we were name dropping all these restaurants that were like oh like, have you tried this?
Have you tried that?
And they're like popular restaurants in New York, right?
That tourists would know and would go to.
Yeah.
And he was just like, no, I haven't.
I haven't tried that.
Or like, no, I haven't walked through this district.
Oh, like, thank you for culturing me.
Like I did.
I was like, do you even live here?
Do you even live in New York?
Like, I feel like more like a New Yorkian than you, but really, I'm just a tourist.
And so I was thinking like oh, let's bring myself back to the present, to reality, because it's actually so different when you live somewhere versus when you're romanticizing your life there, right.
And then even for you right, like you were mentioning, what was it like living in new york?
I think that was a very deep sigh.
I was just in a very different stage in my life, when I was living in New York and the intentions of being there were very clear of like I'm just here to work and I'm just here to find myself spiritually and like continue to cultivate myself in that way.
So it was very hyper focused.
And so I'm kind of like your cousin, where I would go places here and there.
But the majority of my time was spent working.
And I didn't mind.
But if I look back and now that I'm in a very different season, I'm reflecting and I'm like, oh yeah, I actually never spent a Christmas there like enjoying the lights, like going ice skating, like all of that right.
Maybe I skated a few times, but then I never like went to see like the tree lighting ceremony.
I never walked around and like, just did all the Christmassy things.
It wasn't until after we moved back, I was pregnant, it was the winter time.
There's still a part of us that wants to preserve things that like make us happy, or they want us to look back and think fondly of things.
But when in reality, Yeah, it's like not what actually happened.
And I think that's what we talk about all the time on voice sex is how powerful your minds are and how crazy it is that you can just convince yourself of something or another when it's not even true.
Mm hmm, or yeah.
Yeah, I have a story about reality that I've been like wanting to tell the story on voice sucks, but I never knew if there was like a proper time and I don't even know if this is like relevant enough, but like It's just this concept of reality.
Okay.
So back when I was living in little Tokyo, I would take the bus to work.
I worked in downtown LA and there was one time I took the bus.
It's only like five stops away from work.
I get on the bus, we go to the first stop.
There is this elderly lady who's trying to get on the bus, but she, I think, has a cane.
And so the bus has to move out a little bit to lower because it couldn't lower where the curb is.
Yes, it's trying to lower the ramp.
It's trying to lower the ramp yeah, and there was someone else behind the lady and didn't realize that that was what was happening, and that person behind the lady thought the bus was leaving.
So he got really upset and started banging on the bus and cussing at the bus like what the heck?
We're here, like, how can you leave us like that?
And the older lady was like, calm down, sir.
Like, the bus is just lowering itself for me.
So they get onto the bus, but this man is so heated.
He is so upset that he is still in his own world cussing out the lady.
Cussing out the bus driver was like saying, like f you, like this is not the first time the bus has left me and he's probably speaking from his own experience of like he's been left before by the bus and you know, for whatever the reason.
So he ends up sitting right in front of me and he's like calling them names, like He's just being really angry and going all out right.
Rage, yeah.
And the lady was kind of defending the bus driver and was like...
Like, F you.
Like, how can you speak to us like that?
Like, what's wrong with you?
Anyways, the lady ends up getting off like the next bus or two.
This man is still in front of me and I start hearing him speaking to himself a bit and he was like he cooled down instantly and he was like i can't believe i just talked to these ladies like that, like i have a daughter as well, like god, please forgive me like i shouldn't have been speaking to them that way.
And as the lady gets off, there is a bunch of people who get onto the bus.
Now it's a full bus.
And when these people get onto the bus, he actually stands up to let other people sit there.
He was like, oh, like you can have my seat.
And in that moment I was thinking these people who just got onto the bus probably thinks this guy is like so nice.
He just offered to see.
But they completely missed that.
What just happened less than 15 seconds ago?
Like you don't see your reality.
Like you only think what your reality is, is what you see.
So sometimes like our reality isn't even the reality of reality. the world or like the circumstances and in my mind i was like this is a five minute bus ride to work and i just witnessed craziness and these people who got on have no idea that this just happened that everyone on the bus was on edge we didn't know if like they were gonna get in a fight we didn't know if he was gonna hit her like it was he was so angry yeah and so i remember journaling that night and saying like we really don't have a clear understanding of what reality is.
We have our own reality, but we have to remember that, at the end of the day, our reality is not the reality of the world.
And then it's, this is like what you see, right?
And then it's the same as what you think and what you put in your brain too.
Yeah.
This is wild.
Wow.
The things we can create in our minds.
Yeah.
And to be aware of like, what is that thing that you are creating?
What is that thing that you are protecting yourself from?
Being open-minded to other people's realities, because you really don't know, before you step into that room, before you step onto the bus, what was happening right before.
Yeah.
Wow.
Romanticizing your bus rides.
Romanticizing.
I should have had the Harry Styles song in my head playing during this fight.
Yeah.
In terms of music video.
Yeah.
And the flowers blooming everywhere.
Okay.
As a mom, your life has completely changed.
And I'm sure what you romanticized even a year or two ago is so different than now. yeah i'm curious when you romanticize life now if you do in your nice fitted t-shirt with maybe some fringe and holes and stains yeah what does that look like as a mom I think this is a great question.
I think first we can both answer what we used to romanticize and then maybe what we do now, if we at all.
Because I think for me, if I think about romanticizing, the thing that I genuinely love romanticizing about and the thing that I think about the most is my morning routine
Oh.
Yeah.
And so I think that's why, when I was in New York, when I was living by myself, when I had the very, very special apartment that I lived in that I absolutely loved till this day,
I turned to James a few days ago when you were there.
I was like, man, I should have just bought that apartment.
I love it so much.
And it would have been so...
There's no way I would have actually gotten it, but I think just like to have a home in New York that we can go back to when we revisit would be so nice.
I don't really think Rowena and romanticizing doesn't kind of, it doesn't really go hand in hand.
I think Rowena and dreams and you actually go for the dreams and the stars like you mentioned.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I think romanticizing it's a bit softer.
It's a bit more like rose tinted glasses hue.
And I think.
I want that more because I think that you're able to see more of the beauty in the day to day.
I think like sometimes maybe I live too much in the big picture of like, the big vision of what life is or whatever.
That I don't think.
Yeah, I don't think I romanticize as much.
I like.
I'm so delulue about my goals and aspirations though, and I think I can achieve everything I set my mind to.
I think that's something interesting that may be worth digging to in like a future episode of like mindsets that we've kind of had to help us get to where we are today.
But I think, yeah, growing up, whether it's.
I think a lot of it is my mom and my parents are just like, whatever you want to do, you can do.
Just work hard and try.
And whenever I've wanted to do something, they're never like, no.
So I think because of that i've developed more of like a can-do attitude and like if it doesn't work out this way, let me just pivot and try another way and i'll keep going until it succeeds.
So i think from that perspective I'm a little more realistic in that.
Let me just keep trying.
But going back to your question about romanticizing, there's so many things in my head right now.
There's so many directions that we can go.
First one that comes to the front.
It's not even about motherhood or romanticizing.
It's more about like, I think there's these trends in our lives, right?
Like cultural trends.
We talked a little bit about this in a previous episode, but this is just what's front of mind because of the script I'm working on for YouTube.
Romanticizing your life to me is a rebrand of like self-care and girl boss.
Oh yeah, like the trend of romanticizing.
Yeah okay okay, i know what you're talking about, because there is a trend that's like you should romanticize your life, and then it's like the everyday things where you make it.
Yeah, like your morning routines.
Yeah, exactly.
Literally morning routine rebranded to romanticizing your life with Lana Del Rey soundtrack.
Like actually, yeah.
So I think like, that's also interesting culturally of what's happening.
But taking a step back to like go back to the direction of No.
I think that's really interesting because that made me question without social media, would I romanticize life in New York?
Yeah.
And I think it's a mix of both, because the first time I went to New York I already had that feeling.
And then there was really no Instagram.
Yeah.
But I do think that social media has made romanticizing bigger, like a bigger thing.
Because now not only are you dreaming of it, you can visually see what someone's life is like.
And then, of course, it's curated, it's made beautifully, it's aesthetic, depending on the creator, and everything you envision your life that way.
Another thing is, because of social media, we may be romanticizing other people's romanticizing of life.
So you think you want these things, but it's just because you see other people wanting it.
It's getting so, it's getting to the land that I love.
No, yeah.
Keep going.
Yeah.
Yeah.
That's just, that's it.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I mean, cause like, it's like that saying, right?
Like the grass is always greener on the other side and i mean i hate when i say these corny things because i'm just like girl the grass is greener where you water it.
Oh yeah, that that, but it's true and, and i think no, the reality is wherever you are, it's impossible to live a quote romanticized life.
Life is not.
I was going to say life is not romantic.
There are parts of life that are romantic, right?
And I think, when I catch myself romanticizing these hypotheticals in my life, what i realized after this trip is that part of that energy is so lovely, it's so lovely to bring that magic, that like fairy dust, like you said, into your own life.
And And then the other part is why are you doing that?
And then I think now the third part is are you doing that because you're seeing something else, right?
And then going back to the classic voice hugs question of, What is actually true to you?
How do you actually ground yourself back to the present?
How do you elevate or change or make minor edits to your current life that can feel more fairy dusty?
You can live that life, whatever life that is now.
Yeah.
Wherever you are.
Wherever you are.
And someone else is romanticizing your life.
Yeah.
In downtown LA.
Yeah.
Right?
Yeah.
And listening to the Harry Styles song.
And it's so crazy.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I think what you're trying to say is that your life can be romanticized, but it will not be romanticized 24-7.
I think it's the same as like, you can dream these big dreams, but if all you're doing is dreaming, then you're not actually doing the things.
So, yeah.
There's just a slippery slope when it comes to comparison or like seeing other people's whatever, and then romanticizing and like thinking like you want that.
Hi, potato.
In case you heard him screech.
And yes, I think that's personally why I don't think, at least with the word romanticize.
It doesn't speak to me.
Yeah, as much.
Yeah, i don't think you romanticize, not a lot.
No no, i think you just have visions.
Yeah, you try to make them true.
Yeah because like, when i think about new york right, like i'm not trying to make that come true yeah, There was no part of me that ever tried to make that come true.
It was an escaped reality of what life could be like.
But it's unrealistic.
But I think one can benefit more from romanticizing their lives.
But I think this is...
This is what we talk about all the time, right?
Like if you don't do it, you should do it a little more.
If you do it too much, you should do it a little less, right?
To kind of like find the middle ground.
Cause I think there's pros and cons to everything.
A thing I was going to say about New York is I love it because everyone is doing so many things and it's so inspirational, and it's so aspirational and And it's so incredible to just be surrounded by so many creatives who are not only so driven about their own visions but like are also open to collaborating and everything.
But at the same time, like the other side of that, is you just, you constantly feel like you're behind or you constantly feel you have to hustle.
Yeah, so i think with all of these things, it's we need to find the thing that works for us, and it's usually something in the middle.
So that's the low bow that yeah, we just need to find, figure out what works for us.
And I think that was kind of my like takeaway too from the weekend and being like, life is not bad.
Why was I dreaming so much?
Do I really want to be here?
No, I don't.
I said, I want a deep girl rest.
I was like, oh, I would love to move to New York if my life was just funded.
Sure.
But that is not even like romanticizing.
That is just a the Lulu Lulu like wearing the Lulu lemon pants up to my head.
Hold over me.
That's the article of clothing that i'm choosing.
Yeah wow yeah yeah, would love to know what you romanticize about.
It's a career path that you romanticized about a place like new york city.
Maybe it's living on a farm, maybe he's living in korea anything yeah, anywhere.
Yeah, let us know.
And what soundtrack i want to know?
What soundtrack do you hear when you are everybody?
Go listen to this song, go take a walk.
What is the song?
Again, it's called coming up roses by harry styles.
We love you, we love you me and you romanticized.
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Look like i was just gonna.
Something was happening with my face.
You're about to burp.
I wasn't, but yeah, something was like i was about to explode.
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