Welcome to the Allie on the Run show.
I'm your host, Allie Feller, and this is where I talk with people who are doing exciting things on the run and beyond.
From professional athletes and celebrity runners to the everyday amateur and back of the pack runner.
We are here to celebrate everyone and anyone who enjoys a life on the run.
Whether you are running towards something big or away from something that has been holding you back, I am here to hold your hand and help you pick up the pace.
Today, Caroline Moss is back for the third episode in our series called Caroline Moss Wants to Run the New York City Marathon.
That title really rolls off the tongue, don't you think?
The last time we heard from Caroline here, she was in a groove.
She had just run her first 5K.
She was gearing up for a 10K.
She was figuring out all the running gear that worked for her.
And she was really happy to be a part of this running community.
And we're so happy to have her.
And then...
This would be the part in Caroline's movie where the bad thing happens and derails all the progress she had made.
Caroline got injured.
And not because of running.
She tripped over her dog and broke her foot.
So no more running, at least for a while.
Welp.
Fast forward a few months and Caroline has the all clear to return to the run in just a few weeks, which is perfectly timed because it is Caroline's favorite time of year.
This woman loves the New York City Marathon, which of course is happening this weekend.
So in this episode, we're catching up.
Caroline talks about the injury, about how she handled it and about how she's feeling about getting back on the run.
And if you've listened to the Allie and Caroline episodes before, you know that they're well, they're something.
They're long.
They're rambling.
We get into it.
We can't help it if we just get really excited to reminisce about millennial nostalgia.
So be prepared for a tiny bit of running talk, followed by tangents touching on The Babysitter's Club Lurleen, McDaniel books, Dawson's Creek and, of course, a sprinkling of Saved by the Bell.
Welcome to Caroline Wants to Run the New York City Marathon, Episode 3.
Caroline Moss, of course we were going to have you on the Alley on the Run show this week, because it is New York City Marathon week.
How are you doing?
So excited for the New York City Marathon.
It's my favorite day of the year.
If you listen to the first and second episodes that I was on Allie on the Run, it's my favorite day.
It is your favorite day.
Once again, let's give everyone a bit of a refresher.
Let's just jump right in your history with the New York City Marathon.
Tell us about the first your introduction to it.
Obsessed with the New York City Marathon.
I think it was 2015.
I was living for the first time in New York.
I'd lived in New York for six years, but 2015 was the first year I lived on the route.
And I remember it was a beautiful fall day and I had gone to the grocery store.
I knew the marathon was that day, but like wasn't engaged in it at all.
I had my windows open while I was like making some food.
And like, I just heard the screaming and the cowbells.
And I was like, I'm going to go outside and like, see what this is all about.
And like, just immediately burst into tears.
Cause everything's like so inspiring.
And I like immediately ran inside like, found a poster board in my apartment and like, made a sign and Wait, I did the same thing.
It was so fun.
I literally called my friends who like, are my neighbors, and I was like, come meet me at this cross street.
Like, let's watch some of the marathon.
Could have been, like, 10 a.m., so, like, it's like, you know, the regulars are starting to come through.
Like, elites are done and have been done, and...
And now we're watching like, you know, just your people who are like you, but running the marathon.
And I just became obsessed with it.
And then weirdly, as it went for the next week, five years that I lived in New York before I went to LA, also lived in various apartments, but on the route.
So I was really... invested in my marathon obsession as like a spectator.
And I live on the route, whatever you say now too.
So I'm excited to get back out there, but I love, I love cheering.
I just think it's like so much fun.
And last year I only had like one or two friends running.
And then this year I have like five.
So I'm excited to cheer.
I ordered some fat heads of my friends' faces so that I could...
Be like, I'm here and you're coming down the, yeah.
I live in a very like, I like live near a very obvious spot.
Like you, like I live like right at a mile marker.
So they know to look for me, but this will make it really obvious where they're looking.
Yeah.
Without giving away your exact address, so people will come find you for all of the Allie on the Run show listeners who will be running.
Where might they see you?
Around what mile marker?
And on runners left or right?
In the Lafayette stretch.
When you turn off of 4th Avenue onto Lafayette, I'll be probably around Brooklyn.
Bam, Brooklyn Academy of Music.
So I think it's around mile eight.
It's between mile eight and nine.
Mile eight is crazy.
It's the best.
And it's like the drum line and like just so much fun.
And then mile nine is also just a party.
Um, so I kind of, I'm usually on the right side of this.
If you're running, I'll be on the right side of the street and truly like reach out to me on Instagram and let me know that you're running.
I will track you.
I and all of my friends like, instead of doing the the TCNY app I've started doing, just putting people on Find My Friends.
So yeah, that's the way to go.
It's so much easier.
And I'm sorry to the app, but technology is... is moving really quickly, you know?
Well, the app is an estimate based on your pace, right?
So if your pace suddenly gets faster or slower but you haven't crossed the timing Matt, it's not going to account for that right away.
So Find My Friends is super smart.
Good idea.
Okay.
So what is it, you know, you said that you have five friends running this year.
Are these friends who have always been runners and now they're doing New York and maybe they've done other marathons, or are these all friends who are newer to running?
Like I'm so interested in people who are running New York maybe for the first time.
Two new friends not two friends who are new runners, or like not new runners, but this is the first time they've done the full train and their first, their first New York marathon.
It's one of their it's one person's.
First marathon ever and it's one other person's first New York, and they're excited.
And another friend of mine who runs every year and has since we were like 22.
She's, she's just one of those people that like was a runner in high school and then never stopped.
So has never really like like definitely trains, but is always just like in a state of running.
So even last year, she wasn't supposed to run.
She had a number, but she wasn't going to use it.
She had something going on with her family.
And then at the last minute, she's like, you know what, I'm going to run.
And she's like, I'll just do it.
I'm not doing it for time.
I just want to have fun.
And if I have to like bounce off the course, I'll bounce, like I'll listen to my body, and if I have to like call it, I'll call it.
And she just like sailed through the fish like it was nothing.
She's amazing.
And um, a friend of mine who is a runner, but um Hasn't run a marathon in like 10 years and is back to it.
And my sister is running this year, which is one of the reasons why, when I was like I'm going to run the marathon, I didn't want to take her year from her.
So I'm going to try it next year.
So what is your spectating, you know, what do you wear to stay comfortable?
Are you hydrating?
Are you eating?
Are you close enough to your apartment that you can go in and use the bathroom?
Like give us the full picture.
Basically in the morning I run out to the bagel store and I get bagels and cream cheese and lox and orange juice, and then my friends come over at 8 am and we put on the coverage.
We watched you last year.
We put on the coverage in my living room and you can go out on my – balcony and you can see the elites going.
So we will usually like watch elites from the balcony.
Cause they go by so fast that it's sometimes not worth like going outside for it.
But we cheer from above and then we'll go out once the normals start coming through.
And then it's just kind of everyone kind of goes in and out.
And it's really fun.
And like, I stay out until... I would say I don't go in until like two or three.
Like I'm out there pretty much all day.
But the area that I'm in, that stretch in Brooklyn is like a neighborhood party.
And when the last runner...
And they start sweeping the street, but the they're not but it's not open to traffic yet.
There's a DJ out on mile nine who keeps it going and then the neighborhood all goes out and like dances in the street and it's really fun.
It's the best.
It's the best.
And last year I was going on a girl's trip to Paris and I left.
My flight was like 9pm on Marathon Sunday.
And my friends got there earlier than I did.
And I was like, I am not missing the marathon.
I'll meet you there on Monday morning.
So that's what I did.
I feel like that's when I got like...
I was really like we need to be best friends is when you were like I scheduled a trip around making sure I was in town.
When I moved back to New York, like, it was like, what are you most excited for?
I was like, Marathon Sunday.
It's just the best day.
The weather's finally good.
And if you live in New York you know we get like Two and a half really good weeks of weather in the fall.
Two and a half really good weeks of weather in the spring.
And that's about it.
So this fall usually ends up being a beautiful day.
I'm hopeful for, like, I would love it to be, like, 54.
Perfect.
Would be ideal running temp and also spec training temp so I could wear a cute coat.
And I think what I'll end up doing is start.
I think I might hop on the train and try to catch people at the finish line this year too, which I've only done one other time and it scared me.
I think I said this on the last episode, but you know everyone.
I used to live at mile six seven, Everyone at Miles Evans feeling and looking great.
And then you get up to the finish line.
Everyone's like vomiting into their hands and looking like a ragged ghost of death.
And that really put the fear of God in me about my dreams of running.
Cause I was like yeah, of course I want to look like these people at mile seven with the life still in their eyes.
And then at mile 26, everyone's like, kill myself.
Like everyone looks so miserable at mile 26.
That is a rare person.
I love hearing you say that.
I spend a lot of time at finish lines and people are always like Oh my gosh, you must see just like the most amazing sites.
And I'm like, well, yes.
And a lot of bodily fluids.
We see a lot of cramping, a lot of people reaching back and grabbing those hamstrings.
Yeah.
It's the finish line is, is beautiful and terrible.
Yeah, that seems real.
But is it comforting to know that there are more than 50000 people all doing that same thing, right?
Like it's not that unique of an experience.
I love it.
You don't suffer alone.
No, absolutely not.
This year actually one of the things that I've always wanted to do.
It's on my bucket list and this could be the year I do.
It is I learned about what do they call them?
Last year.
It's like the final cheer, final finishers.
I think I would be very good.
I would just sit there crying, but I think I would be very good at cheering for final finishers, which is, the people who stay at the finish line, and cheer on the people who finish at seven o'clock, eight o'clock, nine o'clock, 10 o'clock at night.
And people who like, who like, ran by themselves like we're running on sidewalks because the streets are open up again.
And then people are there.
I'm like literally can't even talk about that.
Right.
And then people are there at the end.
I'm literally crying.
I can't even think about it because it's so exciting.
And they're so it's just like.
Yeah.
Like it's still 26.2 miles, no matter how long it takes you.
It's kind of amazing.
I also think I have potential of being a final finisher.
So it is a party.
No one does it.
Like New York, like other races, have kind of tried to have that kind of support.
But like New York City, there's inevitably at some point during the Final Finisher celebration, all of the people who have come back out to cheer.
They will play New York, New York, and everyone does like a kick line together.
It is everything good about humanity.
Especially, like, I remember...
Um, was it last year?
Just like yeah, it had to have been last year.
Going back and watching footage from final finishers after the election and being like this is all I will consume right now.
Like I am not consuming anything else.
I'm just going back to marathon coverage and final finishers and like the good in humanity.
I forgot that the election was that.
That's why I went to Paris, because we were like, let's just not be there for it.
Like if it goes well, great.
If it doesn't go well, we're not there.
And we did vote.
We voted early, obviously.
But I'm like, we didn't skip voting.
But, um, Yeah, it kind of, it was a real, it did not pan out the way we thought it was going to.
And, like, in that, we kind of thought, oh, we'll be, like, detached from the result.
But what ended up happening was we all stayed up all night.
Of course.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Ms.
Ms.
Well, this year, not a presidential election year.
But a big mayoral election in New York.
And we're really all excited about that.
Get out and rock the vote.
I will have a Zoran sign, I'm sure.
He's a runner.
Right.
He's a runner.
He is.
Oh yeah, he is.
Yeah.
Yeah.
He's also married, which is like the one, one fatal flaw.
I'm like, damn it.
Yeah.
And his wife's beautiful and they're beautiful together.
And I'm like, fine, whatever.
But like, you know, I liked you more when I thought there was a chance.
No, I love him and I'll have a sign.
But yeah, it's a big election, so there'll be lots of voting signs.
I always get excited when I see, you know...
I know the route so intimately for someone who's never run it before.
Cause, like I, like I have so many friends who run it and I know mile 17 over the bridge is really quiet.
And like, that's where it starts to get really hard and not first Avenue is hard, but it's loud.
And then you get into the park and it's hard.
And everyone's favorite is that stretch in Brooklyn or when you hit the Bronx, the Boogie Down Bronx and everyone's just excited to see you.
And I'm so excited it just never gets old to me like it's just so much fun.
And to me, as a like a basic, you know, girly who like loves this.
I'm like a fall girly.
This always feels like the beginning of like the holidays to me, like Halloween is over and the marathon's like the beginning.
You know what, Allie, can I sort of tangent, but I want, I want everyone to weigh in on this for me.
In LA, on November 1st, I would put my Christmas tree up.
November 1st, November 1st.
And that was a thing that a lot of people do in LA and it's not weird.
And I, and I started to, and then I came back to New York.
Well, I know.
Then I came back to New York and I was like I would never put my tree up on November 1st in New York.
And you.
I realized it's like it's because LA is just like a backdrop and you can like, you have to, because of the weather.
You have to just make it whatever season it is, even though it's the same temperature basically all the time.
And so I didn't have as big of a problem, just like putting my tree up on November 1st.
But now I feel like like silly if i were to do that.
So i want people to tell me i know there's people who do do it and they're gonna people who listen to your show, who do put up their channel.
Yes, people will be passionate about this topic, i'm absolutely certain.
But also, you can't do that if you have a real tree.
I mean, i have a fake tree.
No, of course.
I have a fake tree.
But like, if you have a real tree, you definitely get... And you know what?
You know what I have?
I have the Home Depot tree because someone in your Facebook group posted about it last year and was like, Home Depot tree.
I didn't do... lick of research.
I just said, it's like, trust this group purchase.
And then my seven foot tree arrived and yeah, it's all boxed up.
It's out in my garage.
My dad made a little storage area for it and it'll be ready to go this year.
When do you put up your tray?
I will put mine up after Thanksgiving.
Like the day after Thanksgiving?
Not necessarily the day after, but like around that time.
Yeah.
Okay.
That's what I think I'm going to end up doing.
I think what I'll do.
I don't know like it was just maybe also I look back on LA and I was like I was unwell depressed in a new city.
There was a global pandemic.
Yep.
My marriage was falling apart, and I was like, maybe I'll just put my tree up November 1st.
And now I'm like, I don't know that I need that crutch anymore.
Oh, gross.
You know, gross, right?
But last year I was like there was a part of me that Oh, when I would watch the marathon in LA, like I would watch the New York Marathon on TV in LA.
I know.
And I would be putting up my tree.
And then I realized I'm not doing that this year.
But to me, it signals the beginning of like the best two months of the year.
I do like that.
That's why I love it.
Yeah.
I also love my fall decor so much.
Yeah, I don't have any.
I only have Christmas decor.
Can I send you some pumpkins?
Yeah.
Okay.
I love pumpkins.
And you have disco pumpkins, right?
I do have disco pumpkins, but I also have like nice, just very fall pumpkins, like cute pumpkins of all different textures.
And then my friend Connor sent me a bunch of pumpkins.
Cause when he was, I need more pumpkins.
And he sent me two boxes full of like, crocheted pumpkins.
He didn't crochet them, but he found someone on presumably Etsy that did.
And so, um, Connor, I'm going to meet Connor.
We should tell everybody you and I are meeting in person.
I said that to Connor.
I was like, Caroline and I are going to meet in real life.
He was like, wait, you've never met each other.
And I was like yeah Connor come, that's how I make all my friends.
Yeah, I was like it's the year 2025, like that's friendship is not contingent on like distance, not even a little bit.
No, what's it, Connor?
Think outside the box okay.
Yeah, like truly Well, the three of us are getting dinner on Friday night before the marathon.
We're going to our fancy sushi dinner.
Yeah.
And I think collectively we decided that fancy sushi is better than Halloween.
And I stand by that.
Definitely.
Absolutely.
Trick or treat.
Put sushi in this bag.
Yeah.
We will go to Sugarfish.
We will go to Nobu.
Yeah, it'll be amazing.
What was your best ever Halloween costume as a kid?
It was actually my friend Ashley's grandmother sewed us, me, Ashley, and our friend Rachel together.
Classic names of millennial girls, by the way, sandwich board straps.
But it was like really cozy and we wore black um t-shirts and or black on t-shirts, black leggings and sneakers.
And we were no one was the bloody green one, We were nine.
If it was a high school version it would be like a color leotard and a short skirt and just like a little like M on the leotard.
Yeah, just the leotard.
No, but we were literally like pillows.
We looked like pillows.
And there's a really cute picture from the high school, the 20th high school reunion of that Halloween and it was very sweet.
But that was my favorite costume as a kid.
As an adult...
I dressed up as weather one year.
I had a blue dress.
I wore rain boots.
I had like a big lightning thing on my face and then I had an umbrella that opened up and there were like raindrops coming out of it.
And I was 23.
So everyone was like wow, like you're so artsy, because all of my friends were like slutty construction workers and I was weather.
So...
It was just like I was I leaned into like the like Brooklyn hipster thing pretty early on.
You know, it was 2010.
I was like, we were lucky I didn't go out in a fedora, honestly.
And an infinity star.
You draw the line.
A pashmina.
A snood.
Right, exactly.
Exactly.
A snood.
Remember snoods?
They had no end.
Caroline, I had such an addiction to snoods that when I would go to bed at night I would see, like my eyelids, I would see the snoods.
I...
Need to go download Snood as soon as we finish this.
Snood was everything.
Like the bloop bloop.
One year we were all sexy snoods.
Sexy snoods.
Yep.
No one knew what we were.
You have to commit to a costume.
You would have known, I know, because you're like... I was an addict.
Yeah, you had an addiction.
You have to really commit to costumes like that.
But what it is, is like, you know, at 24, 25, you're just like... trying to be whorish.
So you're like, we're all I'm like, I'm in gray.
I'm in red.
I'm in purple.
What are you?
We're snoods.
What?
That doesn't make any sense.
Yeah, I'm a mouse.
So yeah, one year we were snoods.
One year.
I was weather.
And then I don't really do Thanksgiving and Thanksgiving.
I don't really do Halloween that much anymore.
I like as a non partier.
Yeah, it's going to be a little stressful.
Right.
I'm I'm more excited about seeing I like handing out candy.
I live in an apartment building now like a, and it's funny like the way they do it in the building is there's door tags, a door hanger that you get from the lobby.
And if you want to hand out candy, you hang the door tags so the kids know they can knock on your door.
But like.
I don't know.
It doesn't hit as much as when I lived in a more residential area of Brooklyn where I sat on my stoop and handed out candy.
But my neighborhood is super...
Halloween heavy.
Like every like, all of the like adults, like there was a really cute old couple last year who had like a charcuterie board and they were sitting at like a picnic table, like a little picnic table on their front, like area.
Just like watching the kids like trick or treat and like all the it's really fun, like all the dogs dress up, like it was just it's just really fun.
So I think I'm gonna, I like, will lean into it as an adult.
But, like some of my friends are kooky crazy and they're like we're going to this party and I was like I'll see you at the marathon.
Well, we have a 6.30 p.m. dinner reservation.
Yeah.
So who's wild now?
And I'll be asleep by nine.
And I will be wearing jeans that are actually sweatpants.
Yay!
Wait, like the rag and bone jeans?
The rag and bone ones.
Yes, my friend.
You love them?
Okay, so my friend got them for both of us.
I hated them.
They don't.
OK, they don't look good on me, but I like that I'm wearing sweatpants.
But I will say I washed them last week.
Uh-oh.
Yeah.
They didn't hold?
Should not have put those in the dryer because they are really short now.
I wore them when I was in Chicago for the marathon.
I wore them a bunch.
They're like little culottes.
And the thing is like.
The point is that they're supposed to look like jeans, but I announced to everyone within earshot they're sweatpants.
The pockets are fake.
It's not a real button.
Like I couldn't shut up about my fake jeans.
Feel them, feel them, feel them.
Do you want to touch them?
Yeah.
That's what I would have done, too.
Clayton Young, professional marathoner, is like, I'm good.
I don't need to, like, touch your sweatpants jeans.
Absolutely.
Absolutely.
I would have done the same thing.
But, yeah, no, those are the ones.
That's, like, the same thing was when people were like, oh, where'd you get that dress?
You're like, it was $2.
In his pockets.
In his pockets.
In his pockets.
I know we will never.
I reposted that meme once.
That was like.
One day I'll learn to accept a compliment about my clothes without telling a little story about where it came from.
Yeah, you're like, but also before you like disparage it in the same sense.
Do you remember that Amy Schumer skit? where everyone was all the girls meet up.
I'll send it to you and you can put it in the show notes.
Cause it's very funny, but it's like all the girls are showing up for brunch and they're like, Oh my God, you look so pretty.
Like, Oh, Me?
No, I look like I just got dragged by a garbage truck driving down the road and someone runs over my face.
My makeup.
So it's like the funniest thing I've ever seen.
And it's so real.
Okay, I'm thinking of it's not an Amy Schumer skit.
But what's the one?
It's the one where it's like getting brunch with these losers.
And just spirals so bad.
Getting brunch with these absolute pieces of shit who I f***.
Hey, these are the worst friends ever.
They don't know how to be good friends and they're not good friends to me.
Cause they're like.
You have to say something disparaging about yourself in a picture of you when it's cute, so that people don't think you're full of yourself.
And they're like getting lunch with these two shit bags.
Wow.
They are just so shitty.
It's um Cecily, it's uh Cecily, whatever her name is, and it's like an SNL.
Yeah um, I love it.
I love talking to people who are chronically online because we get the same references and it's just so comforting.
Listen, I know.
Yes.
Okay.
So New York city marathon weekend, we are going to meet in real life.
I'm so looking forward to it.
And.
Any words for all of the runners who are gearing up?
I mean, you haven't run New York yet.
You haven't run a marathon yet.
But what do you want to say to these 55,000 athletes?
Have the best time and know that I am so jealous of this.
And I just hope it's so much fun.
I've been praying for good weather for you.
And even if it's in the, in the rain, I'll be out there.
So look for me at Molly and yeah.
And good luck.
Have fun.
Like, I'm going to be having fun.
I'm just so jealous.
Like, it's the best.
You're out there doing something that like, the majority of the population will never do.
Like it like truly fast slow, good weather, bad weather.
Like you are out there doing something that so many people are never going to do.
That's so cool.
Have fun.
Great.
That's a great pep talk.
Great.
I love the pep talk.
I give myself.
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Well, let's get an update on Caroline on the run.
The last time we spoke, you were excited.
You had run a 5K.
You were feeling good.
And I swear it was literally the week after the episode came out.
It was the week after the week after the episode came out on July 5th.
I tripped over my dog, slammed down on my foot to catch myself from falling face first into my kitchen island and cracked my foot open.
Basically like cracked my like.
Full fracture on my foot was in a boot all of summer.
Got out of the boot officially at the beginning of September, though took the boot off a little early.
Don't tell my doctor.
And it wasn't until the last maybe month.
So like in mid September To late September my foot finally stopped like kind of hurting when I was walking on it.
But I broke my foot, and I could not run.
And I still can't run.
I'm not allowed to run for another, like, two to three weeks right now.
And right now, as we're recording this, it's October 21st.
So...
Uh, that was bad.
It really, there were a few things that were bad about it.
One is I was fine.
I feel like I jinxed myself because I talked so much about how, every time I start really taking running seriously, I hurt myself, and I didn't even hurt myself running.
I tripped over the damn dog.
It sucked because, even though I was running short, slow distances, I was really starting to hit my stride and being like okay, like this isn't the most fun I've ever, like I think I could, like I'm learning to enjoy this.
And, like, I like to get my podcasts, and I would save certain episodes of podcasts.
Like, I know you do that, too.
Like, it's, like, a treat.
Like, I would listen to my...
My recap... This podcast I love, Sexy Unique Podcast, that does recaps of Bravo shows.
And they were doing recaps of the Valley.
And so I would listen to that.
And...
I was starting to get in a place where I was like OK, like I did, the 5K, like now on the horizon is a 10K and then I'm going to start training for a half.
And like my hope was to run a half next week.
That was if I had not hurt myself.
My plan was the weekend of the marathon on Saturday.
I was going to try to run like a half and by myself.
Um, but I had a 10 K in the books.
Like I was going to do the Abbott five K race to finish.
Yep.
Um, there were so many things and I was like starting to really get in the zone where I was like okay, I've like found all the gear that works for me.
If you listen to the first two episodes I did with Allie, like I was talking about how I found like the leggings I really like and then the socks I really like and the shoes I really like.
And then all of a sudden, when you're not thinking about How uncomfortable you are, my boobs flying everywhere, you're like you can actually focus on how the running is making you feel.
I got my sunglasses that say run Caroline, run.
I got like a hat that I really liked that kept rain out of my face when it was raining during my 5k.
And then I broke my foot and it sucked.
And not only did it suck that I had to stop running, it sucked because I had to stop moving in general.
So like all of a sudden, this like incredible, like endorphin sort of capture that I had the going for me, like like I don't love going to the gym.
And I really like reluctantly drag myself like maybe twice a week, maybe.
But most of my exercise is just walking around New York City.
And it does it for me, because I walk all the time.
And I walk everywhere.
And then all of a sudden, I couldn't walk.
And that sucked.
Like I realized, my mental health took like a big dive in July, even though I was so busy with the play and everything and I was just hobbling around in my little boot.
But I was like oh, I forgot that.
Like going outside having the sun on my face and just like walking like three miles a day in random increments, just to like live my life and run errands, like actually adds up.
And I just found myself like the first two weeks.
You know the the boot is um like an air cast right.
So you're not supposed to feel, even if your foot is broken.
The way that the air cast is like engineered is like you don't feel any weight on it, and my foot was so broken that like I couldn't even walk on the air cast for the first two and a half weeks, like it was really painful.
I was walking on my heel because the whole entire like left side of my foot up to my fifth metatarsal was like on fire.
It was en fuego.
And my dog had to go up to my parents' house for two weeks.
Like I couldn't do anything.
And I had just a steady stream of friends coming over, like picking up my mail and like sitting on the couch with me and like making me like lunch.
It was really nice.
And it's hard for me to let people take care of me, especially like I mean.
You know this, but you at least have like a, like a real good excuse.
I like tripped over the dog and like hurt my foot.
It does.
You're a broken foot.
You couldn't walk.
That's also a good excuse.
I do.
I know.
I do always get that card of like, tell me about your bad day.
I don't pull it often, but I also don't believe that this has to be the suffering Olympics.
No, totally.
And as Nora would say, it's not the Suffering Olympics because if it was, she has already won.
And that is her joke, but I still make fun of her and she likes to make fun of herself.
But yeah, it was really hard.
And I know you were going to ask about this, but then I ended up.
I was like this better not ruin my upstate summer.
And that actually helped a lot because there was a pool.
So I rented a house for the month of August because I wanted to.
This all kind of ties into Deloria too.
I really had wanted to.
I was looking to buy something upstate and And then I chickened out because this was, that was the plan.
I chickened out because I was like I don't.
I have a few friends with houses upstate and all of them are like sometimes it's great, but a lot of times it's not.
Like, if it's freezing upstate and your pipes freezing, you have to just like get in your car and go like that's your house.
Like no one else is helping you.
Trust me, I know.
Yeah, exactly.
Right.
You own a house.
I have a generator that I had to learn how to use.
Yeah, exactly.
So one of the things I did this summer was I was like well, why don't I rent for a month, like an Airbnb for a month?
And you know see how I feel about it.
And I was like you go one of two ways either like 48 hours in I'm bored out of my mind, or I'm like this is the best thing ever.
And it turned out as the best thing ever.
It was great.
I loved it.
Loved it.
It had a hot tub.
It had a pool.
Well, it was once a hot tub and is now a pool.
It's like in, it's beautiful.
It can sit like nine people.
There's like seating.
But the owner was like, it was so expensive to keep hot that I just like cut the gas line.
And now it's like a soaking, like a plunge pool.
A tub.
Essentially.
And it was great.
And I would just sit in there and like no weight on my foot.
And I'd go to like the little farmer's stand and get like corn.
I was just Nancy Meyers-ing it up.
Yeah.
And you know what you did?
You made a tomato tart that you then posted about.
That I then made for Connor when he was coming to visit.
And what did you think?
It was delicious.
Again, I'll have to find the recipe so I can post it in the show notes courtesy of you.
You said something like it was the like. easiest, most impressive looking thing you'd ever made.
And I was like, I'm very interested in being both easy and impressive.
And it was, it was delicious.
We both loved it.
I still have some mascarpone in my fridge because what do I do with leftover mascarpone?
Yeah.
What are you going to do with that?
And it's like make another tomato tart.
Yeah.
But now we're out of the season.
I didn't make the pie crust from scratch.
Oh, please.
I didn't either.
I didn't.
Oh, my God.
I almost asked you because I was like, that's a lot of work.
No, I bought one of the ones that like not made, but like the dough.
I did the, yeah, I did the dough.
I didn't, like, put together a dough.
The kind that you unroll from the thing.
Yeah, exactly.
Okay, and I still have one in my fridge, so I really do need to make this tart again.
You should.
You should.
You could probably find, like, heirlooms are over, but you could find, like, some.
It doesn't matter.
It really doesn't matter.
I accept all tomatoes.
It's Food 52's Sun Gold and Heirloom Tomato Tart.
It's kind of like a non, like it's not like a popular, popular recipe.
I just like found it one day because I like had gotten a ton of tomatoes from the market and bought.
Like, I'm going to do something with this.
And I went through recipes and tried to find one that I could do pretty easily with what I had.
And it was so good.
That is inspiring to me.
I so badly want to be.
I want to be a farmer's market girly who, just like, goes and scrolls with my reusable tote and is like Oh, that's fresh.
I'll buy it and figure out what to do with it.
No, no, no, no, no.
I am not that person.
No, I am.
It's really, I'm jealous of it.
Yep.
No, so like oh, like rhubarb's in and it's like grape season and I'm like what's rhubarb?
Yeah, I'm like I know when peach season is, I know when apple season is and I know when tomato time is and I call it tomato time, not tomato season.
I like that.
My mom will tell me, she'll like text me and be like, it's peach season.
And I'm like, she's so helpful.
She'll also tell me the weather.
So I never have to check the weather app.
If there's a storm.
When I was in Chicago, everyone was freaking out about some storm coming, a nor'easter.
And instead of checking the weather app, or weather.com.
I texted my mom and I was like, should I be worried about this storm?
And she was like, what storm?
And I was like, see, now I'm not worried.
Cause if it were bad, Lori would know.
She would know about it.
Oh, yeah.
She is always included.
I love that.
My cat ad on WMUR keeps her in the know.
My mom is a 10-10 wins weather girl.
And she gets mad because she thinks that...
She's like, what other job that you could get 100% wrong all the time and still keep your job?
They love saying that.
They love that line.
And it's like, you know what?
I mess up at my job all the time.
Yeah, I'm like, my job.
Guess what I haven't done today?
Responded to any emails.
Guess what I haven't done in weeks?
I cleaned out my inbox like a couple of months ago.
Like went full inbox zero and was just like if you need me, you'll find me.
I believe in you.
I, will you force me to do that sometime?
Yeah.
Just do it.
It feels so good.
I have like 1500 in my inbox.
I'm never going to get to them.
I need to just, but I want to like, I don't want to delete them.
I want them.
Archive.
Okay.
Sometimes teach me what that means.
Okay.
Yeah.
So you rented a house upstate.
You were living your best summer life.
You come back.
It's fall.
And then you go to Vegas.
I love talking about adult friendships.
I think they are so important.
I think they are underrated.
I saw...
I almost said I saw a headline yesterday.
I saw a meme yesterday on Instagram.
I haven't seen a headline in ages.
And it was like the cheesy sex in the city of it all being like.
You know, why do we?
Maybe our soulmates are the girls.
Yeah.
Like, why do we put such an emphasis on romantic relationships in our society?
Like, can't...
It's about friendships.
I mean, it's about whatever you want.
Yeah.
No judgment, but I'm very much in my friendship era and have been for a minute now.
So I want to hear more about...
You and your best friend, Nora, and the trips that you go on.
You go to Vegas together.
We go to Vegas.
I love Vegas.
I love Vegas.
Okay, well, you have to come.
You have to come.
Once you're, like, when you're, like, on the up and up, you'll come with us.
It's not...
It's like a real 40-something strip to Vegas.
Yeah, that's what I want.
I want to lay in bed and get to Inbox Zero and then get like a food dinner and play slots for 20 worth.
Exactly.
Well, we do a little more than $20, but you'll work up to that.
We have our favorites.
We have this game.
It's called Lucky Leprechaun.
We say he's a little man.
He's one of our ancestors.
We're both Irish.
And we say, you know, that's our uncle.
It's like a whole bit.
And yeah.
So Nora and I started doing these things called power trips that we call power trips when I lived in LA, because Vegas is 45 minute plane ride for both of us.
And so we would meet in Vegas.
It was where we met in person for the first time.
Another internet friend turned like IRL friend.
My mom at my wedding notoriously was like, are these all your internet friends?
And I was like well, I mean like at one point, a lot of them were cause we were all like internet people.
Like it's normal.
Yeah.
It's normal.
And we were all in like New York media.
So like, that's how we all met each other.
But for the first time, Yeah, I was like, come on offline and come to my wedding.
So we go to Vegas, we go on like either a Sunday or a Monday and we leave on either a Wednesday or Thursday.
And that's the cheapest, because Thursday night and Friday night, Saturday night, are really expensive in Vegas.
Everything else is not as expensive.
We go with a lot of work.
Like I do my gift guides while I'm there.
Nora usually writes a book and we get up at five o'clock in the morning and we start working and, like we will order.
Well, Nora will usually go get coffee and.
Well, and like egg bites from like the Starbucks, like down in the lobby.
And then we start working and we work till we like lock in for like three hours.
And then we check in at like, you know, 10 or 11.
And we're like, okay, what have you done?
What do you need to do?
Okay, what's our plan?
Are we going to go grab lunch out?
Are we going to order room service?
And then it'll be dependent on like, well, are we going to go out and get dinner out somewhere?
And if we are, then we'll do lunch room service.
We really just try to work.
And then we finish up working around like five, thirty six and then we go have a really early dinner somewhere.
And then we go play the slots and we're in bed by nine every time.
And then we wake up at five the next day and do it again.
And we always we're the only two people who leave Vegas like rested and refreshed.
We're thirsty and our skin is dry, but we're rested and we're refreshed.
I think that's awesome.
How did you become friends?
I invited her on G Thanks for a podcast episode five years ago.
And then you just followed her like you were.
Yeah.
You know what it was?
I knew of her.
But some of my followers were fans of Nora and Nora was using a backpack that I recommended.
And I don't know if she got the recommendation via me somehow or she just like happened to have that backpack.
But one day a lot of people were like, oh, my God, Nora McInerney has the backpack that you love.
And I started following her and then.
I reached out to her and I was like, do you want to come on the show?
And she said, yes.
And she came on the show and then we just started, you know, we became friends.
Like you know you, like the way that, like you and I became friends.
Like you, just start talking to people.
You feel you get to know them through.
You know what their online persona, what they're doing for their work and, And then you start texting and then you like, then you're like, you know you want to go to dinner on Halloween together.
And in our case we, Nora and I were like let's you know again.
Also, Nora lives in Phoenix and I live in.
I lived in LA.
So we, it wasn't like we could ever really talk.
She also has a thousand kids.
And the day that I actually went and got Lottie, who is from Phoenix, I was like overzealously like Nora, like maybe I'll like bring my puppy to your house, like on our way out.
But it didn't work because a I didn't realize how overwhelmed I would be by like having an eight week old puppy in my car.
And it was like a big COVID surge for us on the West coast.
But we just decided like, you know, let's meet up, let's meet up somewhere.
And like, her husband had said to her, you need to go do like a big writing.
Like you need to get away for like three or four days and like just do all of this work.
And so she texted me and she's like, oh my God, my husband just told me I should leave.
Like, where should I go?
And do you want to come with me?
And I was like, definitely.
Like, I'll meet you anywhere.
And, you know, we shared a bed.
The first time we ever met.
We had an option.
We could get a shitty room, a shitty-ish room, with two beds, or we could get like a cool, like sex room with one bed and then have like a big, deep Japanese soaking tub with a view of the strip.
Sex room.
Obviously, sex room.
And we shared a king-size bed.
I mean, like, it really takes... It was soulmate level of friendship immediately.
Because, like, I don't know.
I would be so nervous to share a bed with someone.
And she was like, FYI, I have IBS.
And I was like, I also have IBS.
So we're good there.
No shame in that game.
And...
It was the best.
I like truly I didn't want to go home at the end of it.
I remember being like, we'd stay here forever.
And she's like, I know.
And that was that was like kind of the beginning.
And and we used to go to Vegas a lot because it was so easy.
Uh, to get there for both of us.
And now we only go once a year because it's harder for me to go.
So we try to do it in September.
And we go for like four days.
One time we spent Thanksgiving in Vegas, me and her entire family.
We did Vegas with her kids, which was very funny.
Like, what do you do with kids in Vegas?
The answer is the M&M store.
Which you should know well as a former one.
As a former M&M, I get in for free.
They were like, we recognize you.
Oh, red is it?
This way.
Is that where you read?
I was read.
Yeah, I'm actually surprised I was red because my personality would have been to, like, be yellow.
Like, you know what I mean?
Like, red was one that people wanted to be.
And so I was...
I would have said green for you, but I think it's because green is the girl.
There was another girl.
Rachel was green.
Rachel was green.
Rachel was green.
And also Rachel, when we would read Babysitter's Club Little Sisters books Rachel's like.
I'm Karen.
And then Ashley was like, well, I'm Hanny.
And I guess it's like, I'm Nancy, I guess.
I don't know.
I don't know what you mean.
Okay, I never did the Babysitter's Club, Little Sisters but speaking to the regular Babysitter's Club, the original Ann M Martin, who I used to write fan mail to who did you identify with the most?
Honestly, different – okay, definitely Marianne, so I was always crying.
Okay, always crying.
They're like Marianne cries at commercials, and I'm like me too.
Marianne's a narc.
I was bossy like Christy.
I liked candy, like Claudia, I guess, like I was.
I think Marianne was probably most like me, but I wanted to be Stacey or Dawn, obviously.
Who were you?
Stacey?
Yeah, Stacey.
I still do my A's like Stacey did.
I still dot my I's with hearts.
Not on my to-do list, but when I write stuff for Annie, I always dot the I with a heart, and so does she.
So yeah, Stacey was boy crazy, loved shopping and had inattention seeking disease.
Hello.
I mean, do you remember when Stacey found out she had diabetes because she peed her pants at the sleepover party?
She wet her bed at the sleepover.
Of course, yes.
I was convinced I had diabetes.
I'm like, mom, I always want chips.
I was like, mom, I'm always thirsty.
Yeah.
My insulin is low.
Oh yeah.
No, I was obsessed.
And then like.
Dawn, I didn't identify with Dawn.
I liked that she was blonde because I was basic.
She wanted to say she was very like, imagine all the people.
Dawn kind of had that like stoner energy.
She's crunchy.
Yeah, she's a crunchy hippie.
As a New Hampshire girl, you know, I respect it.
I game recognize game.
And so exactly.
Yeah.
Those, those were my two.
And then like Jesse.
I liked Jesse because of the dance connection, but I never like Jesse and Mallory.
You know they weren't like real.
Yeah.
They were younger.
Yeah.
My favorite part of all babysitter stuff is when they would do.
You know, chapter two was always an explanation.
Skip chapter two.
Skip chapter two every time.
But then at the end they'd be like at the end every time they'd be like Jesse and Mallory are best friends.
And the only difference is that Jesse's black and Mallory's white.
Do you have a problem with that?
Not only Mallory, but Mallory is a redhead.
So Mallory also...
Yeah.
Mallory was marginalized.
Yeah.
Mallory could have been playing leprechaun man with me and Nora.
She would have been like, I understand.
Somewhere Mallory is in a corner listening to Taylor Swift, eldest daughter and just crashing out.
Yeah.
She's like, why did my family have 11 kids?
Or like there's 11 people in the family.
Yes.
Yeah.
Yes.
Crazy.
Insane.
Like what?
Um, The other thing that I remember, well, of course, how they described Claudia was, like, racist.
They would always be like her almond-shaped eyes and her skin was so good, even though she was always eating crap.
And you're like...
I was like, even at a young age, I'm like, I don't think we can say almond-shaped eyes.
It was always, chapter two always talked about her almond-shaped eyes.
I know.
We get it.
She's Japanese.
We get it.
You can say that.
You can just say she's Japanese.
Exactly.
Her name's Claudia Kishi.
We get it.
We're not stupid.
We're reading chapter books.
Have a little faith in the reader.
Did you watch the Netflix reboot?
Or the Netflix series?
The cutest.
So good.
I'm so sad that it got canceled.
Me too.
It was really good.
It was so cute.
Well done.
Loved Babysitter's Club.
Was obsessed with like all of the morose ones, like where Marianne's friend dies in a car accident.
I was obsessed with that.
Did you read Lurleen McDaniel books?
I was just going to say, were you a Lurleen McDaniel fan?
I honestly think that's why I have cancer.
No, Al, you can't say that.
I loved those books so much.
They really romanticized.
Leukemia.
Mostly leukemia.
Yeah.
I thought that was like the main one, because so many.
But I mean my mom still has all my Lurleen McDaniel books.
Don't Die, My Love.
Don't die my love.
Oh, my God.
Who was the baby?
Jessica?
Baby Jessica is dying?
Like, that was a really... Is that what it was?
Hold on.
Let me Google that.
I loved Loralee McDaniel and my mom.
I honestly feel like maybe she had told my therapist.
Like...
I had a therapist when I was young and I feel like maybe my mom was like here's something you need to know about my daughter.
She like will not stop reading these cancer books for kids.
No, I was obsessed.
And I feel like now I'm, like you know, unfortunately living out my childhood dream of being in a Lurleen McDaniel book.
Oh, baby Alicia is dying.
Baby Alicia is dying.
Baby Jessica was in the well.
Baby Jessica was in the well.
Baby Alicia was born with HIV and she was abandoned by her mother.
God, so sad.
And I was like eight, being like Cause these books were all like in the early nineties and I was born in 1987.
So like I started picking them up in like 1995, 1996.
I was eight.
I was nine.
There must be podcasts recapping these books, right?
Like there's nothing that doesn't exist at this point, but if it doesn't exist, can we start one?
Yes, I'm looking at.
There's a website called foreveryoungadultcom and they do book reports on all of these books and they do them like tongue in cheek.
The cover is of, like, a cute white teenager, like, holding a black baby.
And the cover story says thank God we have these generous white children to take care of our black abandoned HIV-positive babies.
If you need a sentence to sum up Lurley and McDaniel's books, it's like, yeah, that's about it.
Featured ailments.
All of the babies at child care house are HIV positive.
The so-called plot.
Parental neglect.
Yeah. blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.
Yeah, but that's rare.
It was usually a leukemia situation.
I feel like leukemia was really big and literally a McDaniel lore.
But this is also like what my obsession came like when I was into Seventh Heaven and, like every teen, was pregnant.
And I have to tell you something.
I smoked pot and everyone's like, I did a recap.
There's a Seventh Heaven podcast.
Oh, you were on it.
And I was on it.
Are you friends with real-life Lucy Beverly Mitchell?
Aren't you, like, friends with her?
Yeah.
How?
We met through, like, a work... We met through a thing with work, like, a couple years ago.
Like, um... you know, like an influencer thing.
And she.
Actually, she and I were on the same flight from LA to this San Francisco conference influencer thing.
And we all had like Uber credit to get to the hotel we were staying at.
It was like small.
It was like 15 of us.
It wasn't like a big conference.
And she looked very lost outside the airport.
And I was like I know that we're going to the same place because I know that she is one of the people coming to this thing.
And I had to make the choice to like... acknowledged that I knew who she was.
And then I knew that we were going to the same place.
So I was like, are you, I think, I think we're going to the same place.
Do you want to share my Uber with me?
And she's like, yeah.
And so we shared a car in the hotel and became friends.
I'm on her Christmas card list.
What?
I get her family Christmas card every year now.
I know.
She's the best.
Love that.
I love Lucy.
I know everyone was a merry head, but I wanted to be Lucy.
I liked Lucy.
She was the best.
Were you a step-by-step girl, or are you too young for that?
Yeah, I was, but only like a fringe.
Yeah, i used to stuff my bra because i stuffed her bra.
Yeah, that makes sense.
I mean we have already done the saved by the bell friends forever.
Oh oh, i took two saved by the bell quizzes today for you.
I can't believe it took me long, this long, to bring it up.
Okay Now, if you're like me, you take quizzes with an end goal in mind, right?
Like, I'm not taking it to see who I am.
I'm taking it for validation that I am Kelly Kapowski.
I'm answering as Kelly Kapowski.
Exactly.
I'm taking this quiz and I'm like, okay, be medium honest.
Like, yeah, be honest, but try to get Kelly.
OK, so first I go to BuzzFeed because obviously, obviously I go to take a quiz.
That's right.
I got Zach.
No, I guess.
Zach Morris is trash.
Yes.
Wait, why?
What did you do?
I don't know.
But then this is the description.
I copy pasted it into my notes for this conversation.
You're really funny and have a flirty personality.
So true.
Which I'm like, okay, compliment.
Yeah, you're like, duh.
Tell me something I don't know.
The next part, not true.
You also hate school and will do anything to get out of tests and assignments.
Not true.
No, she loves school.
Are you kidding?
Have you met Alison Feller?
Would be honored to do a presentation about runnings.
Anything.
Everyone considers you to be the coolest kid in school and you're quite successful in the dating department.
Maybe it's like a manifestation sign.
Don't mind if I do.
So then I was like, well, you know what?
Let me stray from BuzzFeed.
Let's do like a more scientific one.
This is not a legitimate.
Exactly.
If it gave you Kelly, would you have strayed?
No.
Or would you have been like, this is, I would have been like, obviously this is correct.
So then I take this other one, which is the kind where you take the quiz and then it's like to get your results enter your email.
And I'm like, I will burn this credit card.
Yeah, absolutely.
But turns out I found a way around it, thinking like surely this will be worth it because I'm about to get Kelly Kapowski.
No, no.
Lisa Turtle, which is not bad.
Do you love shopping?
I do.
What'd they say?
You love taking Lisa card.
Don't leave home without it.
What did they say?
I mean, and then we've got you doing the sprain all summer long.
I know.
You are the resident fashionista in your circle of friends.
Yeah.
Sweat pant jeans.
Check.
Nothing gets your creative juices flowing better than a shopping mall and a credit card.
Not wrong.
I live for a mall.
Although you attract a lot of cute boys, you seem to prefer to keep things light and play the field.
Not hating this.
Not true.
Although you tend to be a bit harsh in your judgment of others.
Correct.
At the end of the day, your friends know you have their back.
Don't worry.
And Kelly's would have been like, uh, you're the pretty cheerleader.
Who's going to dump Zach for Jess, but then end up with Zach.
And it's like, that's not me.
Also, Jeff is like a pedophile.
100% a pedophile.
Also, he looks 40.
They keep being like, he's 19, but he is 1,000.
You know, I think maybe Lisa is low key.
The one that is that you want to be.
Lisa is the, I think like the least problematic of the bunch.
Definitely.
You know, like Lisa did also might be not super problematic.
Yeah.
She just feels annoying.
She made me hate feminism.
She made me think feminism was bad.
And it's not.
I do wonder if there is something to... confront there.
How much of my vision of the women's lib of it all was shaped by Jesse Spano being like an annoying girl who like, wanted men to like, not cat call her.
Yeah.
So annoying.
I know.
God, she was the worst.
Go chain yourself to a styrofoam cup or whatever that episode was where she met that guy.
Okay.
What is, okay.
I know that like everyone's like groaning.
It's like, they're talking about see you by the bell again.
But question, what's your least favorite episode?
And Tori years don't count.
Cause obviously that's not real.
No, but running Zach is nostalgic.
And it's like, when you see it, it's hard to watch.
I understand.
My least favorite episode.
Like, I can think of one.
Okay, go.
Because I can't off the top of my head.
Okay, my least favorite episode.
Oh, wait, the homeless girl, the Christmas special?
But the Christmas special.
It's the best one.
Are you kidding?
It's the Christmas festival.
I had a cheer when that was on.
Oh, okay.
The worst one was the oil spill in the backyard of the school.
Becky the Duck?
Are you kidding?
Yeah, Becky the Duck.
That made me too sad.
Oh, I sob at that.
I watched that today.
I know.
That's why I don't like it.
Yeah, but it was important.
I know, but I knew that we didn't want oil spill.
Remember in like 22 minutes, they go from like, we're rich.
It's like, no, there's a duck with oil on it.
Yeah.
Okay.
We're learned.
I mean, between the duck.
Artie.
Like there were a lot of sad animal deaths.
I know.
You know what episode?
Oh, that's a Tori one.
I was going to say, I didn't like the drunk driving one.
It made me really uncomfortable.
No, I didn't like the drunk driving one.
That one I was fine with.
I was fine with Johnny.
That one was amazing.
Johnny.
Johnny.
There's hope but dope.
Brandon Tartikoff.
We talked about this one.
Yeah, we talked about this one.
We covered this.
But I also love... I don't like the...
Oh, I don't know.
There were a few that I was like, oh, the Miss Bliss years, stay away from me.
Ew, those don't count.
Those don't count.
But I didn't love the episodes where, like, yeah, I think Becky the Duck...
Was Becky the Doctory episode?
It could have been.
No.
It wasn't?
No.
I didn't like the one where they had to babysit Kelly's brother and he put the baby in the duffel bag.
And the whole class goes...
Oh yeah.
Do you remember the one?
I liked the one when they were in the band and Jesse got up and like danced.
Cause when the teacher would leave the room, Mr. Tuttle, they would all like.
Yes.
Oh, DeJoy.
They were so good.
And then Jessie was like... But then every guy was shorter than her.
And so she would sit down because Jessie... That's the other thing.
Jessie, you're such a feminist, but you won't date a guy that's shorter than you?
Yeah.
It didn't apply.
I'm not adding up.
Men's rights.
I know.
Oh, gosh.
I really, truly like...
Oh, I loved All in the Mall.
I'm looking at a list of episodes.
Remember when they find the money in the mall to go to the U2 concert?
Which, like, guys, you don't need to go to a U2 concert.
Stick around a couple years.
They will be on all your devices for free.
They will put that album on your phone.
I mean, really, truly.
I love, God, I love it.
We should just have a Saved by the Bell podcast.
There's probably so many, but also that would be a good way.
So my, like I, have a bunch of lifelong dreams, as you know.
Take a picture with Shaq is like very, very high on that list.
I don't know, but also I would love to meet Mark Paul Gosler.
Okay, I feel like we could definitely make that happen.
What?
Oh, my God, never.
I invited him to my birthday party in fifth grade.
I don't know, probably being successful.
Yeah, but he was peaking then.
He would probably come to your birthday party now.
What's a year 41 is going to be crazy.
Have you ever watched my favorite –
Christmas movie is a Mark Paul Gossard movie.
No, but it's called rotation.
It's called the 12 states of Christmas.
Oh, that sounds adorable.
Who's the girl?
Who's the leading lady?
Amy smart.
Oh, cute.
It's Groundhog Day, but for Christmas.
Oh.
It's from 2011, and I love it.
Okay, I'll watch that this year.
I'll do a little review.
And he's kind of hot in it.
He's obviously hot.
I'm seeing if Mark Paul Gosselaar is on Cameo.
Oh, I don't want a cameo.
I want it in real life.
I know.
I know.
But I'm trying to see.
I don't want to be like a creepy fan.
I want to be like, hey, you want to make a friend.
But I am a creepy fan.
I'm taking BuzzFeed quizzes.
I'm 40 years old.
What am I doing with my life?
Not responding to emails, but had time for this.
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While we're on the topic of nostalgia, which is where we always end up yeah, you went to the Dawson's Creek reunion.
I did.
Okay oh, it was magical.
I am having I will have a hard time even talking about it because I think you're the same way but like Dawson's Creek was such a formative show for me, like it was the show for me, like I can't do a rewatch of it because, because it's too emotional.
I was so invested.
I loved my rewatch of it.
Well, you led me down the right path when I did a rewatch of Girls.
Yeah.
I'm looking for like light levity right now.
And Dawson's is not that Dawson's is a lot.
It's definitely not that, but it also might like bring you back to like a fun time.
I don't know.
Was that a fun time for me?
It was like fun.
I was like, thank God I'm an adult, you know, like God for American Eagle is really.
Yeah, for sure.
But you went to the event.
How was it?
What were the highlights?
What was it like?
It was pretty incredible.
So it was a cancer fund because James Van Der Rijk is sick.
And it was going to be a live reading of the pilot episode with all of the original cast, including people who weren't even in the pilot episode.
So Busy Phillips was there, Meredith Monroe and Kerr Smith, who played Jack and Andy.
They were there and they were going to read parts of, like Tamara, you know the teacher and like you know some other randoms.
Oh, sorry, Tamara.
Tamara is the real housewives of OC.
Got it.
Tamara Jacobs.
Katie Holmes, Joshua Jackson.
They're in love right in real life.
I mean, the chemistry between them is undeniable.
It was so.
I honestly was like like watching them was like It was.
It was really amazing.
So they announced this like one night only reunion.
I've never cared about anything so much.
I've never tried to get tickets for anything like this.
Like even with Era's tour, like my tickets came later.
You know, like I did not sit in a queue. to get tickets.
I didn't sit in a queue for Beyonce.
Like, I just, this is the only thing I've ever said in my life.
Like, if I don't go to this, like, what was I made for?
Like, this is it.
This is a culmination of, like, my entire life is doing this Dawson's Creek reunion.
My one of my best friends from high school came up with me.
She and I used to write like Dawson's Creek fanfic when we were in seventh grade.
We would write like stories about grams.
I don't know what was there.
Yeah, I don't know.
We were obsessed with Graham's.
You are a Marianne.
I know.
I know.
I know.
I know.
I really am.
And she was there and Dawson's parents were there.
And Michelle Williams was there.
I know it was amazing.
And so they did this beautiful what it was billed as is, you know, this reading of the pilot.
It's the first time they've all all of these people have been together since they wrapped on the show.
And James Zanderbeek at the last minute said he had a stomach virus and he couldn't come.
And Lin-Manuel Miranda was going to be his understudy.
And like, listen, I love Lin-Manuel Miranda.
I'm not a hater.
I'm not that big of a hater and I love Hamilton and I love Broadway and I'm a big theater nerd, but I was like, don't you know, like kids and they're like I don't want this thing on my plate, to touch this thing on my plate.
I was like, I don't want, I don't want Lin-Manuel Miranda in my Dawson's Creek.
I get it.
It's like, too much Eliza.
Oh, Dawson.
I was like, I can't.
I don't want to do it.
That was pretty good.
Listen, I'm a big, I'm a big Hamilton fan.
Like I.
I understand that I'm a Hamilton and I understand the appeal of living on my own right now, but he has such a big personality that I was like what the hell is this going to be?
And then I think everyone kind of had that vibe.
And then the next day you get there.
And it's in the Hamilton Theater, which for people who are like, what's the deal with that?
Michelle Williams is married to Tommy Kail.
Tommy Kail is the music director for Hamilton.
And Lin-Manuel Miranda is Michelle and Tommy Kail's child's godfather.
So there's that connection.
And they showed us a video of.
James Van Der Beek recorded a video of like, Hey, I'm sorry.
I can be there.
And people gasped when they saw him.
Cause he looked sick.
And it was at that moment that like the vibe became very different in the room.
And it was sad.
Like, honestly, it was sad.
And I don't like telling you this because you're like going through your own journey.
But it was sad.
You know what I mean?
It's like, it just was sad.
His whole family was there.
But it was really special.
But there was a.
There was just a very heavy feeling of like damn, like cancer, which really helped because the organization that all the money of this event was going to was F cancer.
So it truly was very aligned in that way.
Um, it was really fun.
Uh, Lin Manuel Miranda did Dawson's Lines and was normal and, like, tamped it down a lot for him.
He wasn't like, yo, Mrs. Leary!
Like, it was very, like...
He didn't get a job.
It was Audrey, Busy Phillips, who plays Audrey, played Tamara Jacobs.
And he and she and Pacey had like a long kiss.
Saw that.
It was it was.
And, you know, a typical pilot script is 42 minutes.
And this took them like an hour and a half to read through, because every line got an applause, every line got a laugh, every line got a cheer.
The second Grams made her debut with the line, Jennifer, everyone like screamed.
I mean, it was really kind of amazing.
But it was sad.
Like, it really felt sad.
And I really hope he pulls through.
And I am heartened by the fact that you know clearly his friends and his like community in this world have his back.
But it seems like, you know, he does a lot of like early detection, early screening, advocation.
And is advocation a word or advocacy?
Advocacy.
Advocacy.
That's what it is.
I think advocate, advocation, advocacy.
And I hope that, like, he's okay.
He didn't look great.
And it made me really sad.
But he...
I don't know.
But then I read online, some people were like, you know, I was diagnosed with that.
And that's exactly what I looked like.
And like, I'm four years out and I'm doing so much better.
And I was like, okay, I feel better then.
But like, it really sucks.
Like you face this every day.
Like it just sucks.
Like it takes so much from you.
You know what I mean?
Hey, Ali, do you know what I mean?
When I say cancer's sad, do you know what I'm talking about?
I mean, I'm having an awesome time.
You love it.
You know, you love it because you want to see Stacey, so you've got cancer.
I know.
I'm getting so much attention.
People are so nice to me.
I used to like worry about like haters.
Guess what I don't get now.
I mean, I'm sure they're out there, but they're not talking about me in places I see.
And yeah, you know, who's going to hate the girl with cancer?
Exactly.
It's not the best way to go about being liked.
Yeah.
It comes at a cost.
You do what you got to do.
You do what you got to do.
You know, growing up, all I wanted was to be popular.
And now I get to do live shows to sold out crowds.
So really.
You were doing live shows to sold out crowds before you got sick though.
It has nothing to do with you being sick.
You know, my parents need to not listen to this episode.
I do have parents.
Yeah.
And I appreciate, like most of my friends, especially like my very close friends are are aligned in this.
Like I have to make jokes.
I have to have like, I have dark humor now.
I don't let it out on the show a lot.
It doesn't translate well to like Instagram stories, but like for me And and I do always worry, like I never want to be insensitive to the community at large, but then I'm like I'm in this community.
And if dark humor is helping me through, like, that's what I have to do.
I can't worry about like who I might offend in the process.
I, you know, Zach Morris should be more worried than I am because he did a much worse.
Yeah.
Ellie on the run, Zach Morris on the run.
And he should be on the run after that episode.
Because we're going to get him.
I wonder if he is a runner.
I'm sure he is.
This is why I actually don't want you and Nora in the same place.
Because I don't think...
I think I'll be the yellow M&M.
Like, you two will get along so well.
Because you both have the same approach, too. you know, having this kind of tragic shit.
Yeah.
Which surprises me about myself because I've never been like a dark humor girly.
And I am also learning that there are people that I can be that person, like that version of myself with.
And like, Ooh, the first time I made a cancer joke in front of my parents was not good.
Yeah.
They really laugh.
They didn't like it.
I'm sure.
So they're not my target audience.
Yeah, no.
Yeah, they will not be buying tickets to the show.
Yes.
Understand.
I think that was the hardest hitting you know of the night was there was so much overwhelm for the cast, I think, because they were that he wasn't there, but there was also so much overwhelm because they were.
They were all there together and everyone was just like so into them.
But the moments when they allowed us to film, they treated it like a theater production.
They were like, do not film.
Some people did it anyway, but you weren't really supposed to film them reading the pilot.
But there was a moment at the end where they all came out and sang the theme song together.
And We were allowed to film that and I just had my camera on Joshua Jackson and Katie Holmes.
When that movie comes out or whatever the thing is that she's making with the two of them.
Oh, I'll be sad, as the kids say, I'm ready.
They have insane chemistry.
They also got in the same car at the end of the night.
Bet they did.
Is she single?
Is she dating Jamie Foxx?
She is.
That was a long time ago.
Okay.
I'm not current on my Katie Holmes.
And he broke up with, he's divorced now.
Hell yeah.
I know.
But Katie also like listen, they got together to do this reunion and you're kind of like wow, they've all been through like some.
Michelle Williams and Heath Ledger, that was really tragic.
Katie Holmes essentially got out of a pulse.
Scientology?
Yeah, that is tragic.
I used to see her on Whole Foods.
Well, remember she had a secret door?
She had a secret door to the Whole Foods on West 22nd.
She had a secret...
So those of you just Google Katie Holmes, secret answers, whole foods.
There is a entire write up about it.
The other weird thing about that was like, you know, they were all brand new.
This show launched all of their careers, and And to watch all of them on stage and be like some of you are Oscar-nominated actors now and some of you haven't done anything since Dawson's Creek made me realize I would never be good in that industry.
Same. all of these people wanted this, have the same dream, had the same goal.
And it's like half of the people on stage got it.
And half the people on stage didn't.
Yeah.
But we, we love all of them.
Isn't there something to be said for like, even though Kerr didn't go on to be presumably nominated for anything or have the career that say, a Michelle Williams has had?
When he got on stage, everyone applauded and loved him.
Of course.
Did you watch the Michelle Williams dying for sex scene series?
Too sad you watch it.
You know i was no, i didn't i, i didn't.
I knew i heard of the premise and i was like no, thank you.
Yeah, i've been like told not to yeah okay, if you were like no, i think it could be great for you.
No no no, but i don't think that's.
There's such.
There's so much stuff you can watch right now.
I don't know that you need to watch a show about cancer.
Yeah, no, I don't think I'm going to.
Yeah, I don't think you need to.
Are you excited for Nobody Wants This Season 2?
I was going to bring that up.
Yeah, it comes out in two days.
You know, I haven't watched Season 1 because I still, post-divorce, wasn't in a place of people finding cute, dorky Jewish guys hot.
And he is my dream man.
That was triggering to me.
Adam Brody.
And it's also it's about a podcast host who falls in love with Adam Brody.
I'm like, are you kidding?
Yeah, I was like, I want to watch this.
Yeah.
And I'm worried about that with season two.
I mean, it's kind of how I feel about the new Taylor Swift album, right?
Like, I am still growing on a big life.
I love it.
And I'm still more of a tortured poet than I am.
Like, kind of.
You are not the life of a showgirl.
I am not.
Engage to Travis Kelsey.
No.
But I am, you know, living my little showgirl life.
But I think you should watch it because the writing is good.
It's really quippy and witty and funny.
You'll watch it in a couple hours.
I mean, the episodes are so short.
Yeah, I think you'll really like it.
You know what I'm watching right now?
Dancing with the Stars.
Oh, yeah.
Welcome.
I love Dancing with the Stars is so zeitgeisty right now.
Like, it's cool.
It's been around for like 100 seasons.
But now that it's all like they have a lot of influencers on, it's like.
People are into it.
So who are you pulling for this season?
Who's your fave?
I love Whitney Levin.
I love Whitney Carson, the pro.
Oh, Whitney Carson is the hottest woman ever.
I mean, all the pros.
Whitney Carson is the most beautiful.
The most beautiful – uh okay, i'm loving uh, this season.
Um, i'm actually gonna be on an episode of be there in five with kate to talk about what you're gonna say.
Be on an episode of dancing with the stars.
Yes, they called me like that.
I didn't know if there was, And I'm like we are two hours into this episode and you're just mentioning it.
Yeah, they're going to do a special dance with me.
I'm a guest judge.
I'm loving it because...
I love that it's like all people I know this season.
Sometimes you just get people you're like, well, I didn't really know the athletes.
I never do, but.
They were off really quickly.
And Corey Feldman was off really quickly, which I kind of felt sad about for Jenna.
Because I love Jenna.
Yeah, I love Jenna too.
But I love like, I think Robert's really good.
Dylan really won me over last week with his dance with his sister.
The hips were like hippin.
That's like his thing.
Yeah, i like whitney because i think mark's an excellent choreographer and i also think whitney's really good and it's like i know people want to see like non-dancers, but you don't want to see 10 non-dancers.
Yeah, but did you watch secret lives of mormon wives, season one?
Cause Whitney was?
Yeah, Whitney was the villain and that's why I can't root for her.
I know, but I, she's, did you watch season two?
No, because Whitney peed on a pregnancy test and then put it in a cake and served it to her family.
And I just simply cannot cast a vote for that.
I got, I got to tell you though, I, she grew on me in a big way.
And her husband is amazing.
What?
And, yep, her husband is amazing.
We don't like Jen's husband.
Jen is also on there.
Zach Affleck is terrible.
But Connor is...
You know, the whole scandal with Connor was that he said that he had gotten caught by Whitney being on Tinder.
And behind the scenes, everyone was like, it was actually Grindr.
But, whatever the case, not my business.
But Connor is a sweetie, now supportive.
We love connor.
I'm too cynical when it comes to reality television because these people are so keenly aware that they are being recorded that they have a public perception like they are pr machines and so i don't buy it.
For it yeah, but season one, what do you want?
What do you want?
Real world season one?
What do you think this is?
No, I want real world the Hawaii season with Ruthie.
Yeah.
And Amaya.
And Amaya.
And Colin.
Yeah, I want that.
Or Vegas.
And Tech.
Vegas with Trishel.
Vegas, Trishel.
And Brynn.
My favorite was New Orleans.
Melissa, Julie.
Gosh, that would be a fun one to watch.
Come on, Be My Baby Tonight.
You can watch it.
It's on Paramount+.
Come on, Be My Baby Tonight.
Yeah, come on, Be My Baby Tonight.
Come on, Be My Baby Tonight.
That was my favorite season.
That season coincided with the first year I was allowed to watch stuff like that.
Did you ever watch Undressed on MTV?
Yeah, duh.
Loved.
Remember that show?
Again, that would be a fun thing to go back and watch one episode of.
I feel like Undressed was wild.
Yeah, I would love to go back and watch Undressed.
I'd love to go back and watch Next.
Remember the Next Fest?
Do I remember?
Yeah.
Date my mom or date my whatever.
Yeah.
Date my daughter.
Yeah.
They would get out of a limo and be like, this is what you just passed up.
And it's awkward.
Yeah, exactly.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Oh man.
My daughter's so pretty.
Like it was just very like, but I love Whitney.
You love it.
Okay.
She's a good dancer.
She's a great dancer.
Samba to mystical.
Come on.
That was very good.
Hamilton dance.
Yeah, she's very talented.
Are you watching?
I watch the highlights when they make their way to Instagram.
Now, I'm surprised you don't want to watch the whole thing.
No, I don't.
I'm not interested in the judge's commentary.
I'll make my own opinions.
And what's the point of the judges rating the dances if it's just people calling in anyway and it's all rigged.
But yeah, I mean, it's definitely all rigged.
I think that people don't.
But I'm also like I'm watching TV, rig my shows, rig my experience, rig my shows, date my mom, date my daughter, rig my shows.
Next.
I truly am like not I'm not under the guise that any of it is like legitimate.
So, yeah, make it entertaining.
Well, what will entertain you is nobody wants this.
And season two is coming soon.
And that's very exciting.
What is the top item on Caroline's holiday gift guide?
Oh, that's such a good question.
Let me pull it up.
I think for kids, based on like what people have already been buying, because I don't like to present like a ton of new stuff on the gift guides.
I try to say like...
These are the best sellers all year.
And so we know that they're, like, tried and true.
It's the bag charm kit.
Okay, so... You got it for Annie?
I got it for Annie for her birthday.
She loves it.
Her and her best friend this weekend were making, like...
I love it.
It's just like clean, easy, fun.
It's not as like the tiny little beads of friendship bracelets are like all over my house.
And this is like bigger beads.
And I, right before we recorded, I was going to tell you, I ordered one.
Annie's one of her very good friends has a birthday in November and I just ordered one for her.
It's the best.
Yeah.
It's cute.
And it's also like really good, good quality.
She put it on her backpack.
Yeah.
And it's like, you can personalize it.
Yeah.
You can personalize it.
The beads are like really like quality.
Quality beads.
It's Bobble Bar.
I'll have you send me the link.
We'll put it in the show notes.
And I have a, actually, because by the time you, when will this come out?
Next week.
Okay.
So I will get you a link, because Bobble Bars do all of their personalized stuff their phone cases, the bead kits, all of their um personalized stuff is going to be their black Friday sale is going to be in the beginning of November.
It's like November 1st through like fifth or whatever, because it's on black Friday.
It's too close to the holidays to be able to get out all their personalized stuff.
So the bead kit will be on sale?
Um, like all that stuff, they won't be on sale at the end of November.
So if you want the bead kit, I'll get you a link and we'll put it in the thing.
But it's the.
I bought another one the other day.
Yeah, they are cute.
What about for grown-ups?
For grown-ups?
Um okay, I'm looking at my list.
Currently, The thing that has been the zip halo, which is like the microcurrent nanocurrent, like face contouring machine.
Do I need that?
I'm obsessed with it.
I think you would like it.
My face is feeling puffy from all the steroids and medicines I'm on.
So should I get it?
Yeah.
It's like a lymphatic draining.
Yeah.
Okay.
Yeah.
You would really like it.
I'm such an easy sell.
I bet they'll send you one if you like.
No, I will.
You could be getting so much more stuff than you want to be getting.
I know.
I know you hate the idea.
So it's that thing.
The other thing that's always such a good gift is the JCrew cashmere travel wrap that can be like a scarf or a blanket and it comes in like a million colors and it's so cozy.
I have one.
Um, it's like the perfect gift when you're like I don't know what to get my mother, my mother-in-law, my sister, like or like, this person has everything.
Like, it's like fancy, it's like fancy, but it's not like a bank breaker.
I feel like you're describing sidewalk pashminas from 2010.
Is it similar?
You would think yes, but like in the in the size and shape.
Yes, but they're cashmere and they're like, they're like warm.
I swore the tag said cashmere.
I had, like, a houndstooth pashmina that, like, you could not tell me shit when I was wearing it.
I was, like, I'm a businesswoman.
I used to hang them all over, like, I had an office at the time.
And I would hang all the pashminas over, like, a little ledge.
And it was just, like, in, like, rainbow order because I had so many.
It was, like, a thing.
Yeah.
Well, at $10 a pop, you could really collect pashminas made of real cashmere.
I'm going to send you this link right now so you can see.
That's so funny that you were like, how do I decorate my office with pashminas?
Yeah.
And I had a drawer.
I had like a shoe drawer.
So, you know, obviously I was not going to commute in my shoes.
But you bet, once I got to my office downtown I was putting on my gladiator heels, as seen in the Sex and the City movie.
I mean, of course, but, you know, my own version of them from Steve Madden.
I loved my gladiator heels.
Another thing you couldn't tell me shit when I was wearing.
Okay.
I still have mine, Caroline.
Why?
What are you waiting for?
Them to come back in style.
You think it's going to happen?
Should I wear them to dinner on Friday?
Yeah.
You know what?
Because it's Halloween.
We could dress as girls from 2010 pashminas and gladiator heels and um oh skinny, i'll wear skinny jeans, a long tank top, a long cardigan bubble necklace.
I'll wear these glasses because in that, in that context, it'll be good.
I'll do a sock bun or i'll do like a big um, slouchy beanie And I'll do like a booty.
Okay, I'm loving this idea.
I think that would be really fun.
Oh, we're obviously color-tight.
Okay, just send you the oversized...
Um, Casner.
Yeah, exactly.
Like I'm going to be very like gossip girl meets sex in the city, because I really thought that was the life I was living at the time.
Um well, if you ever talked to Kate Kennedy and we remember fashion's night out then we were talking about fashion.
Yeah.
I have a picture.
Have we connected you with Kate?
We've texted briefly because you introduced us.
Fashion site out.
Do I have a picture of Diane von Furstenberg in the DVF store in the meatpacking district from through the glass?
And it was like my most cherished possession.
I was like, I met DVF.
Honey, you did not meet anyone.
You didn't even meet the bouncer because you didn't even get that close to getting in.
Yeah, I felt like Mary-Kate and Ashley were in.
Yes, wait, did you go, you went to Fashion Night Out 09?
I didn't go.
I went to the meatpacking district when it was happening.
I didn't go.
I went up to Bergdorf's when that one was happening.
Oh, no.
I went to DVF.
Because Mary-Kate and Ashley Olsen were bartending.
Yeah, no, I know.
And then there'd be like a band playing at Banana Republic or like Kate and I are always talking about fashion stand-up.
Yeah, DVF was in her store.
Yeah.
Doing wrap dress content.
Yeah.
And like Tinsley Mortimer was out and about.
And I was like, I don't really know who she is, but she was on an episode of Gossip Girl briefly.
Yeah.
She was on an episode of Gossip Girl.
I know.
Oh my God.
Yeah.
That is a big Kate Kennedy.
And like yeah, I wore like a target, like collab coat and i was like i'm a fashion girl yellow, yeah i would.
I went very hard for nine west at the time, like all my shoes were nine west um, and i was, or or i did love a jessica simpson heel And those would rip the skin right off your feet.
The patent leather peep toe pump that Jessica Simpson made.
So painful.
But like, whoa.
I was... Yeah.
I had them in gold.
Like a gold lame vibe.
Nice.
And it was...
Yeah.
I really, I loved my, my Jessica Simpson heels.
I loved like a shell top from Ann Taylor loft.
Oh, I see.
I was never an Ann Taylor girly.
I was a big banana Republic.
Uh, it was not a banana Republic.
Banana was, was my go-to, especially, I mean, a banana Republic factory store.
Sign me up.
I would come up with an answer just to go there.
Really good right now.
I still go to gap factory.
Yeah.
I get a lot for Annie there too.
Yeah, of course.
They have such good kid stuff.
I really, I mean, people must at this point be like, she has nothing to talk about but 20 years ago.
To me.
Yeah.
Nothing going on.
I am lighting up.
We talked about running at the beginning though.
So I do feel like if people, okay, give people a code word.
If they are still here at this point in the episode.
I did this once and I was like, if you made it this far, send me a DM that says jazz hands.
Cause I was like, surely no one has made it to this point.
And then I got a lot of jazz hand dm, so think of what's like a millennial word that uh, you could throw in here for people to send, if you've made it this far.
Dm me the words mix cd and, and i'll know, and what was like your go-to song on a mix cd, And was it everywhere?
By Michelle branch.
Oh, and what, what, what were you thinking?
Oh, mine was like anything from the, um, not oceans 11.
No.
Why did I even think of oceans 11?
Um, the here on the here on earth soundtrack with Lily Sobieski and, um, And Josh Hartnett.
I will just tell you that I had some very big love comments to that soundtrack.
What other songs were it?
Was it Black Balloon?
These tears I cried.
I've cried.
A Thousand Oceans.
I don't remember that.
I watched that movie a million times.
Tori Amos.
Oh, you're right.
Wow.
For 16-year-old Allison who shopped at Rave, that song was everything.
If you're still listening, message me, Caroline, the words Mixed TV.
If you're still listening, message Allie the words Here on Earth.
Or Tori Amos.
Which I don't know any other Tori Amos songs.
I know nothing about Tori Amos.
That was another movie where someone died of, she had like a knee disease.
Yeah.
I mean, don't get me started on a walk to remember.
No, I, and I will never get started.
Oh, where you are.
Nick Lachey and Jessica Simpson, where you are was the, it was the credit roller for here on earth.
Yeah.
Oh shit.
I'm looking at that.
This got serious.
Oh my God.
Okay.
I need love by six.
Whatever turns you on.
Yeah.
Um, whatever turns you on.
This is like very niche.
I feel like here on earth is not super like popular, but also um.
I was obsessed with Pearl Harbor, which was on two VHS tapes when they hooked up in the plane hangar.
Oh, my God.
I mean, peak romance.
And that was also a very good soundtrack.
Who was the other guy in Hero on Earth?
Oh, I don't know.
The guy from American Pie movie, right?
Yeah, what's his name?
Chris something.
Chris Pine.
I was also going to say Chris Pine, but it's not here on our cast.
Yeah.
Someone out there.
Yeah.
Chris Klein, Chris Klein, Chris Klein, Chris Klein.
God, he looks really good.
I hate my brain.
I know so little about That I should know.
But I can whip out names like Chris Klein two hours into a podcast.
That's wild.
Yeah.
Oh, my God.
Caroline, I have to watch that.
No, you don't.
I mean, do you also do you need to go?
Lane Hendricks was an ear on her.
What?
And now she's on Dancing with the Stars.
She played Sam's sister.
I don't remember the movie.
I just was super obsessed with the soundtrack.
I also used to listen to whale sound CDs a lot as a kid.
And that's different.
But that was a chapter of my life.
Oh, sounds of the humpback whale.
Okay.
You need to watch here on earth again then.
I don't know.
I think it's sad.
I think she dies.
She does die, but it's not, it's like, but it's of a knee injury.
So it's kind of more like what happened to you with the foot.
I know.
And here I am still here on earth.
I mean, come on, what's the deal?
Yeah.
There's, I think you should watch it.
I'll watch.
If you watch here on earth, I'll watch.
Nobody wants us.
Okay.
Your assignment is way more fun, but I'm up for the challenge.
It's just fun.
It's just fun.
I was obsessed with Lili Sobieski in the movie Glass House.
Never saw it.
It was scary.
Sounds a little, yeah, not my thing.
Do you have a, are you not a scary movie girl?
No, I don't.
Like not even like a fun thriller?
No, that's not fun.
No, I mean, growing up, like I would obviously watch Scream and I know what you did last summer.
Those were very big at the time, but I didn't like them.
I suffered through them.
And I loved Michelle Gellar.
I think that... Okay, I will watch Nobody Wants This.
Yay!
Please report back.
I will.
When you have a chance, please take... two different Saved by the Bell quizzes and report back.
I, as always, Caroline, no idea what we just talked about.
No idea what we just talked about.
I know it was all steeps and nostalgia.
Will we ever not?
Probably not.
But I'll tell you, I am getting back to running in about three weeks.
So probably mid-November, early mid-November.
Which is a perfect time.
Which is a perfect time.
So next time we catch up.
Hopefully I will be running a 5k.
I'll be on my way to a 5k.
You're going to ease back in.
It's going to be great.
I cannot wait to see you in New York.
And you know what I'm excited for?
I hope you do come to the live show because I'm excited for you to see the running community in real life, like all packed in.
Cause they're just, I'm coming to the live show.
Oh my God.
I am coming to the live show.
Um, you're right.
I was just looking back and you're right.
I was sick.
I remember going into marathon Sunday and I was like I am going to Pull it out because I'm not going to miss this.
But I'm so happy we got to do this.
I gave you my two-minute update inside of two hours of God knows what else.
That's what we do.
And that's what we do.
And, and yeah.
All right.
You guys remember what to message us.
Mixtape and here on earth.
Love you.
Love you.
Bye.
Bye.
Thank you so much for being here for this mega episode of the alley on the run show with my guest, Caroline Moss.
Hope you enjoyed wherever this episode took you.
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Hey, you're crushing it out there.
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