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Hi everyone, welcome to the Social Work Stories podcast.
I'm Lim Fox and I'm here as usual with my lovely wonderful friend, Liz Murphy.
Hi Liz, hello Mim and hello everyone.
Hello everyone, happy world social work day.
It is around this time of year, right?
It is roughly around here, so generally, well it's always the third Tuesday of March, which by the way, if I rule the world, only matter of time, I change it.
Oh, March is a terrible month.
Early in the year, oh come on, there's so much going on in March.
Why, who came up with that idea?
Well, clearly our other side of the world friends would probably have a different opinion.
But in Australia, the beginning of March is a tricky time for world social work day.
That being said, Liz, every world social work day, what I love the most is standing in a room full of social workers.
Yeah. And look, we, as in you and I, are going to do that this year together again.
I'm not sure, as Mim, just, you know, not wanting to bore you too much, Liz and I, but I'd like to say that world social work day for me is a day, it's a line in the sand of our friendship.
I think that's when you and I first started toying with the idea of a story, social work stories.
Yeah, like in the Marvel Universe, I would say that world social work day was our origin story.
It's where we started from, where we first time, where you and I actually took ourselves away from the everyday of the work and started saying, is there something bigger that we can do here, right?
Is there something we can do about all these stories, all these wonderful experiences that us and our colleagues are having?
And that was also round about when podcasting was starting to get some movement, right?
Right. It was actually beginning.
So I think that was the beginning of this little project, actually.
And so this year, in true social work profession for me, we've got a theme that has diversity in it again, and it's respecting diversity through joint action.
I mean, only social workers can cram that many words into a theme.
And there are values too.
I think there's about two or three values in that one title.
Fantastic. It's very efficient.
It's very efficient and works really well with our story today, Liz.
Yes. So last year, I went and traveled to our cousin country, Otero and New Zealand, and spent some time with some incredible social work educators over there.
And in my time there, I got to meet this man called Jack Scanlon, who is a wonderful Pacifica academic researcher and practitioner.
And he gives us a beautiful Pacifica story today.
We're really grateful for this story because it actually really brings together some of those themes of world social work day.
And as you'll see, that Jack starts his story with a traditional Samoan greeting.
And really, that's the scene, I think, Liz, for the warmth and just really beautifully interpersonal connection that this story tells, yeah?
Look, I'm touched my heart when I hear this.
So let's listen to it, because this is a beautiful meandering story that has so many layers that you and I are so keen to talk about.
So let's listen now. I also want to acknowledge the ancestral people of the land that I'm able to speak.
Yeah, so I gave a sort of Samoan formal sort of introduction or welcome.
But in the piece that I talked about was there were segments that we often use sayings and stuff.
So the work was about acknowledging the space, acknowledging the privileged space that I'm in, of see acknowledging a faith that I come from and I suppose like anything else coming from a Samoan perspective is that it is about, it's that honouring and being privileged.
Yeah, so, as opposed to me, I was supposed to volunteer to offer a story about my experience.
So while I am an academic space of being a social lecturer at Massey University, I come from 20 years experience working in the Youth Justice field or juvenile justice, you're equivalent.
Now 17 years of working in Youth Justice, I work for the New Zealand Police.
So today I'm going to talk about my experience of being a police social worker.
And yeah, sort of share about it inside about obviously being a social worker employed by the police, working with my community, working in South Auckland, that is predominantly Pacific Islander.
And I suppose negotiating those sort of spaces that is quite tense, especially one being a social worker and two working for police.
And I suppose, yeah, those sort of experiences of working as a police social worker.
I suppose like anything else when I, I suppose sort of how I got into sort of working with what I suppose working with police because I know this is recorded, I mean I had a natural dislike of police.
And it was actually quite ironic that I'd end up working for the police.
But I suppose for me is that being a change agent, if there was an opportunity to work with an organisation that obviously was seen by my community as locking my people away, what could that look like from the inside out?
So yeah, I saw the opportunity.
Obviously, even before I worked for the police, I worked in the community.
And often it was advocating against what police are doing.
So they were locking them up and I was trying to get them out.
So it had a real contingent relationship.
So it was actually quite ironic that I ended up working for police, but they had a natural respect because I think at the end of the day, they wanted to see those same sort of outcomes.
But again, they were constricted of being sworn police officers.
So I went into the space as a non sworn officer, wearing the label of being a social worker or youth worker in that space.
And yeah, sort of working with the community and working within the police because we were something new.
And I suppose we came about because police wanted to sort of see how could they work with some of the terms they used back then was crime families that often came to police attention.
What could they do differently?
So it was an initiative that the government sort of put funding for that.
I suppose it was an opportunity around reducing crime.
I suppose to me, the short story I'm going to share is about a young person I was referred to.
I can't give names or anything.
But he was referred to me as the judge's last chance.
So he was a known offender.
He was a gang leader in the area I worked in.
And so he was well known obviously by the police, by the courts, and obviously by the community or the hood that we came from.
And so it was actually a police officer that approached me and said, you know, do you think you can work with him?
Because there's no one else.
And he was referred to me at 17.
And we were sort of like the last chance.
And if I wasn't able to work with him, then he'd be sent to prison.
So it was a tough assignment.
But then in saying that, I suppose that's us as social workers is that we like the hard.
We like the difficult and we love the challenge.
So I saw it was an opportunity to sort of, well, it can't get any worse.
So what would that look like?
So I started working with him.
And a little bit about his background was that he was adopted by his auntie who he saw more as his mum, but her husband didn't see him as a son.
So he never really felt his place within his home and his father sort of reminded him that he's not part of his family and everything else.
So he faced rejection from a young age of not being accepted.
I suppose like anything else.
If you're not accepted within your own family, you then look to other families.
And one of them was, he turned to the gangs and became a leader of a youth gang in our area.
I'd like to say that it was a story that it was plain sailing, that everything worked out.
But yeah, in retrospect, in a reflection, it wasn't like that.
I was working with him or trying to work with him.
Because like anything else, every time I tried to set appointments to meet with him, he made sure that he was never there.
So it was a bit of cat and mouse.
I suppose like anything else, being a police social worker was a new thing.
I got asked this sort of question before, what is it like being a police social worker?
What would you need to do?
And I said, oh, you need steel cat boots.
And I go, oh my gosh. Is that like police brutality?
I said no, because when you go visit families and all that and you knock on the door and say hello, and then you say who you work for, are they going to slam the door on your face?
So at least having steel cat boots, you won't break your toes.
So yeah, it was one of these sort of contentious relationships working in this field.
Anyway, please bring me on track as I am a storyteller.
A lot of my time was trying to connect with this young person.
And when I finally got to meet with him, it was more about he didn't see much hope for himself.
Obviously, felt being rejected and the trauma that is in around rejection and had a mistrust of authority and had a mistrust of males, especially Pacific males.
So I think for me working with him was the first time he had actually met with a Pacific old male that sought something in him that he didn't see in himself.
A lot of my work was trying to put him onto courses, getting him jobs.
And I used plurals, courses and jobs because everything I tried to do with him, he made sure he got kicked out of the course and lost his jobs.
But like anything else when I took on this case was I wasn't going to give up.
And so I just kept on trying, kept being positive, sometimes being realistic at times.
But I suppose like anything else was trying to change that relationship of working with males, working with Pacific males.
Again, the stereotype of being a Pacific male and especially the community I come from is that we're more of the statistics than rather being the change agents.
So it was trying to change those sort of narratives.
I suppose for me there was several different moments.
I mean, working with young people and especially Pacific young people, the biggest way to work with young people or Pacific young people is food.
So a lot of our interaction was always around food.
Like anything else, you can't be angry when you're with someone.
So often we would just talk over males and just talk about anything and everything.
I suppose for me is that what he appreciated was that I gave him time and space.
And sometimes for me is that it's probably my Pacific or indigenous nature is that I didn't work by the clock.
So it wasn't meeting for half an hour and all that.
Sometimes it would be half a day and sometimes I'd be over with all my other appointments but I just wanted to give him that sort of time and space that he actually liked being in his company and hanging with him and talking and talking about possibilities and aspirations and things that he never thought saw on himself and that belief.
It was a lot of that but it was also to a lot of advocacy as well.
It was hard in the space he's in and when I talk about that racism was prevalent.
It targeted based on race and I suppose for me is working in that space, advocating in that space that was hard.
I used my private space of education that I was able to break down some of the professional language and lawyers and other professionals that were using understanding the legislation and challenging a lot of that stuff in court where by knowing the system and knowing how it works, sometimes knowing the loopholes and using that for fish and all talk.
So I spoke two different languages.
I was able to translate his feelings, his thoughts but putting in a jargon that the judges would understand.
But I suppose like anything else is that painting or telling a story that this isn't a criminal number or this is just another young person, another statistic but actually telling a story and court asking for chances, going back to court because he's gone and breached again but keep on advocating and I suppose that was a lot of the challenges that I faced in that space.
Also two creating alloys in that space.
So I suppose for me using that leverage of being, of working with the police and talking to police around, yes you see their funding rates of this person all that but let's look at the context and the background.
So actually painting a different picture and around that so I suppose that helped in that space.
I suppose like anything else, why I'm sharing this story is that he was a young person client that was like a straight forward six months, 12 months, exit and that's it.
You know I got to see him 15 years later and I had an opportunity to hear a story from his perspective of being an adult.
And I suppose what I want to sort of leave with everyone all share today is that you know as a social worker you have the opportunity to speak life and to young people and it's not a wasted story and every time that you feel like you know you're wasting your time, your time, your time and your time and your time and your time and your time and your time and your time and your time and your time and your time and your time and your time and your time and your time and your time and your time and your time and your time and your time and your time and your time and your time and your time and your time and your time and your time and your time and your time and your time and your time and your time and your time and your time and your time and your time and your time and your time and your time and your time and your time and your time and your time and your time and your time and your time and your time and your time and your time and your time and your time and your time and your time 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