All right, we got Gary Vee in the house.
Everda was Gary Vee because he's all over Twitter and Instagram and LinkedIn and he's invested in Twitter and Slack and Facebook before they IPO'd.
Gary's fun. We brought him on and our goal was, let's ask him a bunch of questions that we're genuinely curious about.
Like, which of those events was actually paid off the most and it was a very, very surprising number.
We also talked about what he's excited about now and we asked him about the mindset and what he noticed hanging out with people like Zuck or Logan Paul or different characters like that.
Enjoy this episode with Gary Vee.
It's a good one. Gary, what's going on, man?
How are you? Sean saw something recently that you had posted that I thought everyone knew about you.
Sean, what was that thing?
The report card? Most podcasts start with an intro.
We start with little ball busting.
So I have here Gary's high school report card.
What's your tweeted out to be fair?
So I'm not putting it out there.
You didn't already do. But I thought this was kind of amazing.
So you tweeted out a picture of your high school report card.
I'm just going to read off a few of your achievements.
Gary got a C in ceramics, a D in English, and F in German, PE.
You got an A. That's the only A you have on this report card.
I think algebra D, this one's kind of amazing.
Speech, which like you are known for speech.
You got a D driver's ed, D Gary.
You were what a turnaround.
What a turnaround. What a reaction when you see this.
That a lot of data in the world is dirty.
It's fake data. And I think school grades are just not a tremendous indicator of what's going to happen.
The speech one is crazy.
The report card I tweeted out was the recap of all four years of high school.
So a little fun facts to build on top of what you just said.
I got an F in all four marking periods of German one freshman year.
I retook it sophomore year.
I got a D in the first marking period and then proceeded to get all F's failed language.
My freshman in sophomore year and in the state of New Jersey in 1994, if you did not pass two years of language, you cannot graduate high school.
So I'm walking to junior year high school and to Spanish one with all these ninth graders as a junior.
And I had the pressure on and looked like I got Mrs.
Senior of Kennedy saw something in me and forced me through the system.
Otherwise it was over for me.
But yeah, I mean, the speech one really stands out to your poichot, right?
Like to think that I got a D in speech, which was in a speech in class, right?
Which I did well. It's just that I told my mom and I talked about this this weekend.
I literally did not open a book in four years high school and did zero homework.
Like, you know, they would have everyone who's listening went through school.
I think like they would have signed a book report and like, it's not that I did it poorly.
It's that I didn't do it.
Just like, it didn't ever.
I literally in four years of high school did zero homework, zero.
Like I something happened where I just knew that, you know, at that point high school, I was already working in my dad's liquor store and selling a lot of baseball cards at shows and just kind of, and it was like, this is pre-internet.
The world was different.
I grew up in an immigrant family.
We lived in like, we just moved to like rural New Jersey.
When I tell you we lived there our own little four or five person cocoon, my family, we really did.
It was very, very, very in hindsight, deeply immigrant.
You know what I mean? Like we didn't have like, my parents didn't have American parent friends.
Like my mom was in friends with any of my high school friends, parents.
Like my mom asked me about what I'm doing for college, February of my senior year.
I was like, mom, it's over.
I'm not going to college.
She lost her mind and forced me to like, go and I got like a postcard in the mail from Mount Ida College filled it out and asked literally how I went to college.
Like, so you know, I think if I was growing up today, my intuition is that, you know, it would have been okay for me not to go to college and it would have just all been handled differently.
And honestly, I think like teachers would have said to me like, I have a bright future instead of saying what they did back then, which was your a loser.
You're going to be garbage man.
That was the big thing Sean Sam in the 90s, their teachers will tell you're going to be a garbage man, which I think is really crazy because actually it's a very good living with a high pay.
I mean, as a high pace now.
Our friend just started a garbage business and he's doing like 300,000 a year of it of a cup.
Jokes on you Miss Kennedy.
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One of the things we do is always just, what are you excited about?
Like what products are you seeing?
What people are you seeing?
What cool stores are you seeing that are kind of that you're genuinely excited about?
Have you guys seen Break the Web?
No, what's that? Dude, they got a great tagline.
So it's BreaktheWeb.co, the internet's official scoreboard.
This apps got my attention.
Trending topics on Twitter was so big for me back in the day when it was desktop only.
Break the web is an app. It's just what's trending right now.
It seems like the underlining tech is pretty damn strong.
You know how everybody loves to throw around AI or this and that.
And you're like, if you're smart, you're like, this is just a collection of APIs or anything.
This one's a little bit better.
I don't know. I've put it on my home screen, which is not something I've done in a long time.
Why? Why do I like it? Well, yeah, I mean, I'm looking at it now.
You just showed it to me.
It was all the new stuff.
I don't really pay attention to.
Like you're just, I saw the word Gaza, Trump and like five of the words where they're important.
But like, I don't, I'm not going to like read like news.
First of all, great observation, brother.
For me as well, like, honestly, something that's on my mind is everyone needs to consume less news because all it does is push fear and negativity and like, it's just so scary.
Like how fucked up that is.
So it's funny, same, brother.
I don't really click into that stuff.
So right now it's brand new.
And when I met with the founders, I only met with them for like 10 or 15 minutes.
I asked them real quick, I'm like, can we get this categorized out?
And really, yeah, that's on the roadmap.
Like I just want to pop culture and consumer trends.
So like to me, I'm like, when I look at Madonna, Phantom, like what is that?
You know, Madonna mistakenly scolded a fan again.
Right now what they're, what's it interesting though?
Is it, it's a great indication of where we are in society.
Like back to when Twitter trending topics, it was less political.
And it was really valuable.
Like the reason I like it or the potential of it.
And obviously we're in a election season.
So now this will get eaten up to your point, Sam, on this stuff.
But it is an indication of the pulse.
Like I'm always looking for what's the indication of the pulse of what people give a fuck about.
Dude, so these guys, so it looks like it only has 90 reviews.
Oddly, both of these guys used to work at a bakery.
The CEO worked at Pete's Coffee.
The other guy used to work at Specialties Cafe in bakery.
But they both lovers of baked goods.
I think they just decided to launch it.
It's three years old though, but it's not popular yet.
So what's your prediction?
The thing's gonna be huge.
There's no prediction.
Back to shooting the shit to your point, Sean.
I'm not overly like, oh, break the web's gonna be the best.
The concept of date. So I have a new book coming out soon.
This year, right? I finally feel like I've synthesized what I actually do.
Like long for me. Twitter.
I think literally I have a meeting today where I'm gonna post my 100 most successful YouTube videos on Twitter here over the course of the next couple months.
Try to stagger it a little bit because it's just very clear that Twitter is going to push it, right?
I don't know if that's gonna work.
I think they're, I agree.
They're pushing it, but I just don't find myself using it that way.
Yeah, that's a great call, Sam.
Like, what I know is that I'm, I never have an interest in guessing if something's gonna work.
I have an interest in executing on anything that might work and then dealing with the ramifications of the upside.
Well, I guess when you can test for cheaper than it's almost cost to guess, right?
Like it's not expensive to take your best YouTube videos and have somebody repose.
That's an easy way to learn.
Because you know, you talk about day trading attention, but all trading is mispriced assets.
That's right. And I would argue that attention is the most mispriced asset right now that most impacts everyone.
So why is that? There is nobody that will ever listen to this that doesn't need attention as a currency to achieve what's in their stomach.
Whether they want to raise money for their PTA, the President of the United States, get more listeners to their podcast, sell their sneakers.
They're the only asset class that I think is universal is attention.
Even a parent trying to home parent to children, need their kids to listen to them to be able to get the message across.
The currency of listening is, or consuming is, is profound.
And we're living through the mass fragmentation of that, right?
If you think about, let's use parenting.
It was a lot easier to get your kids to listen when in 1954, 80% of families sat down and had dinner together.
And for like an hour and a half and you did it, right?
And like so those parents were able to message in a very interesting way.
There is now, they still can't, we have technology, you can send a text or a Sam and Sean clip to your kids to get them to think of something.
But there's also so much supply in the demand side being the same.
There's only so many hours in the day.
Now the human brain, I think, has capacity to keep a lot more information than we think.
Nonetheless, for me, more narrowly, as someone who loves business and loves to think about it, it doesn't matter what you're selling.
And it doesn't even matter what you're saying until you first get their attention.
And then everything is about what you're saying.
Right. What's interesting to me is, I think a bit, the acronym I use internally, a VaynerEx Vayner Media is a pack, platforms and culture.
Right? And so break the web plays in culture, right?
Like there's two different currencies that I think about constantly or two different frameworks.
One is platforms. What is, what are the top 25 platforms that have people's attention doing?
What do they care about from Snap to Pinterest to LinkedIn to YouTube, even within themselves, YouTube shorts differently than YouTube, is collect the book of like 15, 20 places, right?
That really have, quote unquote, the attention.
What are they up to? How did their algorithms work?
What are their features doing?
And I think about them on a day-to-day basis, right?
And then, and then I think about culture.
Like what is this slang?
What is the things of interest, the people of interest, right?
And then it becomes a framework of like what's overpriced and underpriced execution.
So for example, I think Super Bowl is the most underpriced media in the world.
It's very hard to get 130 million people to watch 30 seconds of a video and actually want to and pay attention to it, right?
So that's $7, $8 million, I think is great.
The problem is the creative is the variable of success, right?
So the media might be a great deal.
But if your 30 second video is forgettable or stinks, or you overpaid for making it, you could Verizon paid Beyonce to be in that commercial.
If they paid her $500,000, I think they stole her.
If they paid 40 million, I think they overpaid for her.
I don't know what the number is.
My guess is it's somewhere in between.
But that is basically how my brain works and how I think about communication and marketing and brand building and perception changing and just a whole world.
That's how I think about the world.
Have you guys seen, let me ask you if you guys have seen this in terms of cool shit.
So perplexity is awesome.
They have this new thing, I didn't see them talk about it a lot.
It's called perplexity AI slash podcast.
They've come out with a daily podcast that's five to ten minutes long that's written by perplexity and it has beautiful background music and they've got this British guy.
Have you ever seen those like planet earth videos where it's like, no, we see the mother cheat to go out there though.
Yeah, they've got this voice that sounds exactly like him reading like the script and it sounds awesome.
The voice is powered by this thing called 11 labs.
Dude, I went to 11 labs. Sean, I uploaded a ton of our voice and I was like, fuck it.
Let's just see if I can make a podcast.
It's way, but it's like, it's the best thing I've ever heard.
Have you guys seen that come out with this podcast?
You see the voices. You never want to see Sam speak Hindi.
11 labs made a clip. They just translated the podcast auto auto dub using AI and Hindi and it's phenomenal.
By the way, it's something we've been working on for about a year.
I think next year is the full year where like every single thing I do, every video, every language like we're there.
Dude, I didn't see Sam. I haven't seen the podcast, but I just took no, like I can't wait to listen to it.
Like, look at that. It's so good.
And they've not made a big, this has not been like a big hoopla.
They haven't done, I randomly came across it.
I was listening to it. I'm like, I'm going to listen to this every day.
This is great. It's David Adbero telling me about like the news.
It's how it's awesome. Which language, which language you going to do?
Should we do Hindi? Is that the one?
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I'm doing it. I admire the fuck at a bad kid.
I had a, I wrote down a quote when, uh, when I was doing the research for this, that I think is, is exactly what you're talking about.
You go, forget rags to riches.
Some people are just rags to rags just so that their kids have a shot at rags to riches.
And I respect the shit out of that.
I love that quote. Yeah.
I mean, I'm really, I'm really affected by that like Sam really hit it on the head.
Like, I hate the word luck because I think that people weaponize it against people that have worked really hard.
But I, but I believe in serendipity and luck quite a bit because it's just the way, like, I was born in the Soviet Union.
Like, I got lucky to get out of there when I did.
If I didn't, I would have come to this country in 1991 when it fell.
I would have been 16, 17.
I'd sound like I've been Drago on these podcasts.
I, like, it would have been all different.
And, you know, I just, I, I, I just really do admire people who, I really do think entitlement and lack of accountability has become a disease.
In first world countries in 2024.
And I just really admire people who play the other way.
We appreciate you doing this, man.
You got day trading attention coming out.
I think I'm made 21, right?
That sounds right. You're the man.
We appreciate you hanging out.
Thanks for coming on, man.
I got to jump to sport meeting.
I appreciate it. All right.
Take care. I love you guys.
Good luck. I feel like I could rule the world.
I know I could be what I want to.
I put my all in it like no days on.