Episode 454: That Time I Met A Murderer II ft. Bailey Sarian | Morbid

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I'm so happy to be here.

We are so happy to have you back.

I'm so excited. And Bailey's like here.

I'm here. I'm in your home.

In the flesh. In the Pod Lab.

This is wild. It's so cool to meet you guys in person.

I know. This feels so crazy.

I know. I feel like we should have a screen separating us.

I know. Well, we kind of do.

I'm behind this mic.

I can't really see you.

That's true. We can just peek out every now and again.

Hello. Thank you for inviting me back.

Of course. You're always welcome.

I love you guys so much I love your podcast you guys are killing it oh my god thank you don't ever give up believe in yourselves oh my god rooting for you same for you man thanks tears shed already and we're done bye that's it see you later thanks for tuning in this was our episode morbid but positivity I love that you know and this it's so weird because I feel like we've already met in person I know this is like that strange feeling of like well I know you right yeah when I was coming over here I was like we've met yeah you're like I'm just going over your house yeah of course but we haven't

we have thank you here we are but now i love your home thank you for inviting me into your place you are always welcome in my place thanks you need to throw a huge halloween rager here oh yeah it's so spooky right yes it's so spooky oh yeah across the street from a cemetery hello yeah party dream that's the dream i don't know what you're doing in the cemetery after that's what sold me on this place i was like well there's was a cemetery that's actually very true she texted me and was like there's a cemetery i think we should get it is it is you feel like it's kind of haunted it is it's super old

like not that well the house isn't like crazy old not as old but it's an old town with like a lot of yeah actually oh no i can't tell that statistic because it will give us away exactly you know what don't triangulate no no i'm sorry i'm like yeah i love the street you i'm like naming everything the street that you are off of you're good i was about to give a fact that would would literally give us completely i'll tell you after yeah got it got it okay it's a fun one no facts yeah noted but you know what today we're gonna do we're gonna do something fun we're gonna do some listener tales yeah

you know because listener tales are brought to you by you for you and all about you snaps for that you always do it right i try every time every time i made it you know it's easy to remember i made it you know i make a lot of things up though and i still fuck them up that's true but you know what that relatable we had to start this episode like three times because i couldn't get the idea that there were three of us in the room and not two well to be fair it's kind of hard it's just you two forever it's true and now i'm just here like hey remember i'm here you know yeah so i'm like you're not you

know it's okay all right thank you i appreciate that but you know we're gonna start this off with um an intense one yay because this This one includes Jerry Brudos.

That's a lot. Which we haven't covered Jerry Brudos.

You haven't? No, he's like one of those that I've been waiting to cover.

Yeah. Because you got to be in the right frame of mind to cover that guy.

Yeah. Yeah. You got to be in the right place.

Remind me, Jerry's the shoe guy.

He's the shoe guy. Yeah.

Yeah. A little weirdo.

Yeah, he's a real weirdo.

But this one's called OG Listener Tale.

My mom dated a serial killer.

Someone on your Future Topic agenda.

So they knew. They knew.

It's on my Future Topic agenda.

It says, hey, Chicas, where do I start?

You can use my name, which is Meredith.

And yes, I love my name, too.

I was never one of those kids that decided to use my middle name or something.

Attached is a double -spaced 13 -point PDF attached for the story I've teased.

It's not super long.

They didn't write Putifa.

Putifa. It's always Putifa.

It says PDF. Terrible.

I'm sorry. It's not super long, so I won't apologize for the length.

It comes in around eight minutes of reading time.

that's the new thing that our listener our listeners are doing for us is they're being like this is about 14 minutes of reading time they're beautiful people they really that's very kind so kind and they're doing a double -stage pdf like for us because i can't see anything that's how i am right it's pretty yeah yeah so they work with us that's so sweet they put in the work that's nice what a great community yeah they're just they're a part of these episodes uh they also gave us a pronunciation guide wow which my subscribers are screwing me over they want me to mispronounce everything i say everything

wrong i think that's why we got here yeah exactly they were like you know what i'm gonna help you out with this oh you're right they're like we feel bad yeah you guys can't say you just want me to struggle for some reason yeah you know but this one the apparently the town is called corvallis thank you for that uh to be extra clear that is a hard oregon r oregon or oregon or oregon it's oregon trail that's why i know it's oregon but it's oregon trail exactly okay remember when they read me to filth for how i said oregon oregon trail actually read us to filth on twitter the actual oregon trail game

it was like it's oregon and i was like get out of here oregon trail Oh Oh wait You really say Oregon Yeah See for the place Well I used to Oh It's Oregon Uh huh But when I refer to the game It's Oregon Trail How come Cause I grew up Saying Oregon Trail Okay that's fair And I think we grew up Saying Oregon I was gonna say I always said Oregon Cause my dad used to live in Oregon And I was like My dad moved to Oregon You used to live in Oregon But that's what I mean Sounds like a nice shape It does right It does actually Oregon It does actually Everyone from there is like It's Oregon Yeah yeah yeah

it's rough how funny okay that's i like that though but you know what massachusetts has terrible pronounced names too so yeah say lemonster say say peabody there you go okay so oregon trail the game come after you they did and the game was like oh that's like jokesies of course you know screenshot and frame that yeah no beef with oregon trail but yeah they were like it's it's no uh it says my choir teacher in high school came from boston and had so much disdain for the The Oregon are.

We hit that consonant hard. Hard. Also, the Oregonian appears in the story.

And Ash, you've gotten it right before, so I know you got this.

For your mental health, Oregonian equals Oregonian.

See, I said it right.

You did. But also, regional dialects are a real thing, so you do you.

See, thank you for ending that.

Because we're always like, regional dialects, guys.

We say things different.

um oh my ever love and whatever it has taken me so long to get this out please be gentle lots of feels involved here keep it real my lovelies and they attached a bunch of photos but we're gonna get to those in our channel yay it says dear wonderful weirdos i've listened to you since your first episode and while you've come a long long way i think you've stayed true to your vision thank you i'm really glad ash no longer calls herself a trash person whether or not she's drinking questionable slurpees but i'm secretly really glad she didn't cut the cussing like papa Papa suggested you got to keep

it real. Am I right?

Condolences on last year's losses and this year's early struggles.

Congratulations on the many, many successes.

You're really sweet.

I know, thanks. Specific to Ash and Drew, you're doing the damn thing.

Much love to you. Thank you.

Specific to Elena, you're an inspiration to wannabe writers everywhere, including me.

I wanted to write from the time I was nine years old, but I was discouraged because my neurodivergent brain could never decide between first person and third person narratives.

that took me yes i was just gonna say it's hard don't feel bad about that at all because i struggled with that yeah still struggle with that i feel like i would too i gave up with it it's hard it's so hard to this day i don't know why we can't just call it second person and call it a day but that was the late 80s i'm an old broad and i was called weird daydreamer etc those things are not untrue but i was also struggling with an undiagnosed learning disability so my husband still thinks i should write one of my personal tales into a book but the convicted the convicted creepo is out and walking

around so there is possible libel defamation shiz to consider damn that sucks you can make it like fictional though yeah there you go take some artistic license with it and then you can write it down boom i say do it i actually have several stories to share accidental amputation comedy of errors stalkers serial rapist encounters see above the guy who is out and about now oh no damn and i'm not sure how to begin really even after years of considering a submittal several of the best stories this being one are actually my mom's but she passed away almost five years ago sad face i'm sorry i'm sorry

so some details might be a tad inaccurate or fuzzy i started writing this the day before what would have been her 80th birthday in october of 2022 we didn't know 75 would be her last i'm i'm sorry so hug your loved ones kids because grief and regret is the shits grief being complete complicated stuff is why it's taken months on top of months to get this sent but good for you for sending it i know it's taken me yet another five months to get this sent and since i've just finished listening to harvey glapman part one oof i think perhaps the time is at hand hint you mentioned one of the main characters

on that episode oh yeah because i brought up you did This man's.

This man's. In any case, let's get to the case.

When I was in my mid -20s, I found out that my mom had dated a serial killer.

Imagine just finding that out.

No. In your mid -20s, your mom's like, you know what's funny about my life?

One time I dated a serial killer.

All right. I'd be so mad.

Right? Yeah. Why wouldn't you tell me that day one?

Yeah, you got it like right away.

I wouldn't know. It came out the womb, mom.

Teaching me my ABCs, be like, by the way.

You know that guy who killed all those people?

Yeah. Put this away.

Love them. We found it.

It came up one day in casual conversation.

Super casual, right?

I have no idea why she chose to tell me the day that she did.

Mom was a night owl, always had been.

Growing up, if I called to be picked up from school with a tummy ache, it typically took a couple calls to get her on the phone because she was reliably lying down napping.

Relatable. Years later, treatment for a previously undiagnosed thyroid problem problem resolved the majority of the excessive napping.

But she was still always up late, really late, like sunrise late.

I guess this habit started in her youth, probably high school if she could get away with it.

Grandpa was a stickler for proper behavior.

But for certain, as a freshman in college, she told me she would sit up at night listening to the radio and smoking cigarettes.

Scandalous. So as a freshman at Oregon State University in Corvallis, she would sit up up late and listened to a local radio station and for whatever reason she called the station late one night and spoke to the engineer working the station from what i recall after several late night's conversations he and my mom decided to meet i love that this is like the meet cute yeah it's like they were chatting on aim before yeah early aim given that it was 1960 ish it was probably a very cute conversation where this guy bashfully asked mom out on a proper date Mom told me Jerry had a kind, gentle, pleasant

demeanor and a pleasant voice.

Not Jerry. Can I just take a minute right here to mention how terrifying it is that this individual presented as kind and gentle?

Yeah, you sure can.

Yeah. Wait, did she say how old she was this time?

She was a freshman in college.

Okay, okay. So she was young.

Sorry, I'm just trying to get the mental image.

I know. Because you're like, where was this?

What was this happening?

We got a picture and all.

Freshman in college while she's sitting up late night listening to the radio.

Smoking cigs. calling in the radio station it's giving me like um now and then vibes yeah have you ever seen that movie no but i love the candy all right so it works out yes i love the movie yes that is such a great movie you gotta watch yeah you should watch that it's nostalgia fest god i think i've seen it but it's i can't remember right now but yeah yeah yeah this it's also making me think of an urban legend terry being like the radio operator yep like late at night people calling in and asking like really raunchy questions i love that movie yeah and i love her in that movie she's so good i'm

gonna watch it she's underrated in that movie yeah yeah she's fucking phenomenal in that that was like the height of tara reed oh yeah big time that was like american pie tara reed uh but we digress this is where details get really fuzzy mom and jerry went out at least twice i don't know what the order was and what they did on one or of what i believe was only two dates but on the date on the date i know about they drove to the coast together they drove to the coast together yikes because corvallis is only 53 miles of winding rural highway away incidentally highway 20 is the longest highway in the united

states starting in newport and ending 3 151 .3 miles later in boston whoa look at that but i digress i'm only guessing that this is the beach they ended up at because it was the shortest route to the coast the point being that they spent an extended period of time alone in a car with him as he drove on rural highways that is really scary rural highways that to this day have long solitary stretches that outside of busy holiday weekends when everyone and their cousin and their cousin's best friend decide to escape to the coast are relatively solitary places so here's my sweet little mama all five

foot two of her alone on a road trip in a car with someone who someday will be arrested as a serial killer and here i am today to tell you about it because he evidently hadn't started killing yet oh that's crazy so imagine she like realizes it later and she's like he hadn't even killed anybody yet but he was like that might have been like working in his mind at that point thinking about it on that car ride was he like practicing something like Like, was she an almost victim?

That's freaky. That's terrifying.

That would keep me up.

Oh, that's the thing.

Maybe that's why she's a late night owl.

Oh, yeah. Full circle.

Keeping her up. Because I always think about that with these kind of stories is, like, you must be constantly thinking that every second that you were with that person, you got away with your life.

Oh, totally. Totally.

It could have been totally different.

Because my thought, too, is, like, these serial killers and stuff, they don't just randomly only one day decided to kill it's something that they built up to so most likely like he was someone was marinating up there and that's the thing right you know like he was probably yeah he was thinking about it probably yeah why not I mean come on you know that thought entered his mind oh being alone with a woman in a car driving along the coast isn't that where he usually would like carry that's the thing like he was he would like bring them back to his house yeah he's a rough one I wonder what the conversation was like

I know you know and at at that point he was definitely going through it because he he's the one that has all these like issues from childhood yeah that he brought into adulthood so he was like smacked out in the middle of his like traumatic issues here yeah like the shoe thing i was just gonna say imagine if he had complimented her shoes i know i wonder like that's his thing about ugly shoes and that's why he didn't maybe that could be the thing that saved her you know she's wearing her yeah she's wearing like that was important that was important so that could have been it yeah damn Damn.

All comes down to the shoe choice.

It does. Thank goodness she got away with this.

That's scary. Mom told me that they didn't go out more than a couple of times and that while he seemed nice enough, he was a little soft and homely.

Definitely homely. You know what?

I agree with her. He was definitely homely.

Not a cute guy. And so she just wasn't attracted to him.

Makes sense since she ended up with my dad who was movie star handsome with broad muscular shoulders and abs before abs were cool.

Get it? Your dad. Yeah.

pour one out for your dad seriously though go look later at images of this guy and you you can but i don't recommend it yeah um and then compare him to say oh my god i was picturing paul newman when she said her dad that's who i was that is you don't know paul no who is that oh man what's he from look up paul newman okay yeah um have you ever had his salad dressings maybe oh yeah yeah Newman's own.

He's like very handsome old movie star.

Paul Newman from Cool Hand Luke with golden blonde curly hair with crystal blue eyes.

That's about what my dad looked like.

Just saying. So when I say she thought Jerry was homely, she knew she could do better.

Keep your tits and standards high, ladies.

Great advice. There are pictures for you attached to the email of my teeny mama and my handsome dad.

There are puppers too for funsies.

I love that people just send us pictures of their pets.

it's the best i love that like they'll tell us a horrific story and they'll be like but here's a picture of my puppy and it's like look at my dog better thank you keep doing it some of the listeners may have already figured out that i am referring to the one the only drum roll please jerome brudos of such hits as lust killer by ann rule and episodes 281 and 282 of last podcast on the left where henry henry specifically says that jerry couldn't get a date so when he met his wife he married her asap but I know and now you do too that wasn't entirely true welcome to my mom's secret my mom's smart

pretty and from a good family went away to college and went out with this nutbag and what I believe was autumn of 1960 stories indicate he married Darcy in 1961 so it was likely within a year after he and my mom went out and to the best of our true crime buff community's knowledge and we know quite a bit about this guy but also starting startlingly little.

He didn't start killing until several years later, but we also know that he'd been a sexual sadist from a very, very young age.

And somehow, there but for the grace, I guess, my mom was left completely untouched and happily ignorant until she got up to get the paper one morning in the spring of 1969, and this is how she described that.

My God. She and my dad had been married about three and a half years.

They lived on a semi -rural piece of property.

Rural is so hard to say i hate that word every time i say it i have to like i'm like and you like see it coming in the sentence yeah and i'm like i have to like jog in place for a second to get it right um on the edge of what one day would be a flourishing affluent suburb just a few miles from downtown portland oregon my dad had gone to work that morning and mom slept in as was her routine but when she got up and wandered down the driveway to get the oregonian oregonian Oregonian Oregonian Oregonian yeah well now I don't know shit Oregon people Oregonian because Oregonian would mean we're saying

it yeah it's Oregonian uh yes you're pronouncing it right she said thank you out of the paper box she unfolded it to find what she described as a six inch high lettered headline screaming about a killer being caught and below that was a picture of the man she'd been alone with a time or two.

She said she immediately fell apart.

I don't blame her. And with no one else home, she ran across the street to the nearest neighbor who confronted her as she trauma cried.

Or comforted her. Comforted her.

He confronted her. Why are you crying?

Why are you crying?

Stop it. It's the 60s.

There's no crying in baseball.

That's really all I know.

And mom made it clear that she never wanted to discuss this at length.

Clearly the very idea that she had been in such close contact with a man that could have ended her life or at least have changed it dramatically was she just more than what she was just more than what she wanted to dwell on it may also be that because of the era in which mom was raised she carried some shame from the very fact that she went out with this monster which is pretty fucked up a very victim blamey kind of vibe super gross yeah or maybe it was even survivor's guilt because she made it out alive of the casual relationship they had part of me feels like i'm betraying mom by sharing this and part

of me feels like i'm freeing her from the burden i think it's the latter i need to either way if she were still with us it would be her story to share but she's not so let us all release her from these misplaced emotions that she carried you are released mama totally released happy belated birthday mom i love and miss you forever so keep it weird my friends but not so weird that you innocently accept a date with a total monster and then carry a secret shame for 48 years never ever ever keep it that weird never damn wow that was wild meredith that was what a story really sweet that was oh my god

it was so sweet your parents were so cute and he does look like paul and your dad is a handsome movie star he's a tall handsome man a tall drink of water oh same same wave there yeah there you go so thank you for that meredith i know and happy belated birthday to your mama yeah and i'm glad she survived that seriously my god yeah that was wild i wonder if she had a gut there's so many questions you know i know because you wonder like did she get a gut feeling was there any feeling that she was ignoring weird like what why didn't she go out with him again that's what i wonder like the last date

they went on like did something happen that left a weird taste in her mouth because he was homely and if you look at like i'm gonna look at him if you look at the a man she married like yeah she knew she could do better there but it's like was there also something that just told her yeah or maybe he just had a shitty personality yeah he maybe like all of it yeah all the above yeah you know it's true yeah like he was a charmer at first like they usually are and then when you find out who they really are you're like wow you suck yeah because he definitely was not cute no yeah no it's not a good

situation think your mom made the best choice she could have i think she should she came out on top she did yeah all right that's so scary that was i wonder like how you would feel afterwards i never really thought about that too much like reading that headline yeah you know like i would probably do what you did which is just like burst into tears also you probably would have survivor's guilts yeah because you're like why did i yeah how did i not see that yeah i could have saved people if i would have said had something yeah even though you have to take that off of you of course but like that's

what survivor's guilt yeah is at its core is like something that you should never feel because you did nothing wrong but like you inherently feel because you're like did i ignore a feeling i feel like it would just be very confusing like i just feel like i don't know how to feel yeah yeah or you probably talk yourself out of it like no that wasn't the same guy like there's no way just the same name yeah yeah same look and everything but not the same but you know you know that face yeah don't forget that face yeah yeah he was uh yeah yeah looking he was he was not a looker definitely not all right

you didn't even have a good personality no no it doesn't sound like so many questions but apparently he was good on the phone all right that's the thing i feel like that happens a lot i feel like then people like get in front of you and you're like wait was that the same person that i was talking to this whole time that's what it is you know like back when i was on the apps and stuff and i would talk to people and then you're like what is this you know you meet him in person it's just like nothing nothing there yeah you're like was i talking to like your talented cousin or something your talented

cousin you're good with words cousin oh my god this makes me so happy that i never had to do the yeah consider yourself yeah i would not recommend no do not recommend hearing the horror stories i'm like my god you're a warrior I'm very glad that I went back with Drew and figured that all out because it worked out and now I don't have to do that for you guys I'm out here on the dating app struggling you're a warrior you're a warrior over here I can only imagine everyone's creepy too everyone's a killer in my eyes so it's like how do you even pick someone that's the thing you just have to go out

with them and just hope for the best In like a very, very public place.

I know. And then there's that fear of like, do they know who I am?

Yeah, especially like in your position, I'm sure.

It's scary. Yeah. I know that's a much stranger like avenue with all that.

Dating, whatever. Dating, ugh.

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all right are we ready for the next one heck yeah i'm trying to read it my best i need glasses but i'm like regretting no it's not that i'm regretting i'm putting off getting glasses i don't know if i'm ready all right yeah i think you'd look great with glasses no no i wear too much makeup yeah that's true anyways but i'm gonna quit and try my best my grandmother was taking grad school classes at BU.

Educational slay. Back in the 60s.

Okay, back in the 60s.

And she was temporarily staying with a friend and her roommate in the Back Bay area.

One night after a long evening of jazz or whatever they did in the 60s.

Jazz? I love it. Just jazz.

Just a long evening of jazz.

And bell bottoms. Jazz and bell bottoms. A good mix.

She was opening the main door into the apartment and some guy tried following her in.

He said he was there to meet a friend and was hoping that she would let him upstairs.

Now, my grandmother is nice, but she's also an Aries, Italian, and from New England.

A trifecta. Oh, damn.

My husband has two out of the three of those, and I can tell you.

What can you tell us?

Because to me, I'm like, what does that mean?

Aries, they're not going to – they don't take shit.

No. Oh, really? They don't take any of your shit.

And they're not going to just trust you.

I need those around me.

Yeah, they're not just going to trust you right off the bat.

Okay. Yeah, you're going to earn it.

They got their walls up.

And New England? And New England?

New Englanders, no bullshit.

Basically, it's just like if we don't like you, we don't like you.

So her grandmother is a no shit woman.

Oh, yeah. We love that.

It's a very go fuck yourself.

Oh, I love that. Okay, good for her.

So she's actually not that nice.

Yeah, there you go.

I should have finished the sentence first. And they said that, not Bailey.

Yeah. Oh, yeah. Yeah.

Side note, I felt like you guys would appreciate everyone in my family is a fire sign.

Oh, wow. Three generations, grandparents, parents, my brother, and me.

Damn. I'm telling you because when I tell them they say they don't believe in astrology and resume yelling, quote, passionately, across the table.

Those are fire signs, man.

So she gets behind the door and she makes sure it's locked.

Through it, she starts grilling him with questions about who he's here to see and what floor do they live on.

Eventually, she gets a bad vibe.

She tells him to fuck off and runs upstairs.

Her remains stewing on the sidewalk.

Unfortunately, this wouldn't be the last time at the apartment.

Shortly after, my grandmother leaves grad school to start her career and moves back home to CT. Connecticut.

connect it okay i've got that while she was home she got the news that her friend's roommate had been murdered in her apartment in the apartment oh damn oh my god like the actual apartment yeah she got the news that her friend's roommate had been oh my god she had been strangled with nylons as many of his victims were i'm not going to share her name out of respect from the family but most of the info is online oh i'm not sure if my grandmother put two and two together when the murder happened but when they caught him years later and released his picture her blood went cold it was without a doubt

the guy who tried to follow her inside holy oh my god and then you wonder was he going in there to find her of course she didn't let him in probably yeah i would literally just move i wouldn't even grab my stuff no just leave you can have it oh my god that stuff archie mcf has bad boston strangler energy his scenes were horrific he left those places just a nightmare oh my god how terrifying she goes on to say always trust your gut yep and maybe don't be nice to everyone definitely don't be nice i know i'm really bad with that me too and it's such it's something i've learned at such a nice a young

age to just be kind and nice special respect to everybody yeah and sometimes unfortunately that means you let people walk all over you in a way because you just don't want to like it's just what we were taught yeah manners yeah we were all taught that yeah like you need to be kind you need to be nice you can't it's like it's like my achilles heel i feel like yeah you know because it's like right it just can't be a blanket statement anymore to kids like it can't be like you always have to be kind you always have You have to be polite.

It's like, no, like when somebody earns it, you be kind.

Like don't be outwardly mean right out of the gate.

No. But you assess the situation.

Be an Aries Italian New Englander and have your walls up.

Exactly. That's what we need to teach these kids.

We all have to channel that.

Yeah. I've noticed since dating, it's been like, I just, even though like someone will say something rude, I just give them time to like keep going because I'm being polite.

And I'm like, why am I still being polite?

Like I should just leave. Yeah, like fuck that.

It's something I have to completely unlearn.

I want to channel this lady it's hard I'm gonna channel my New England hell yeah Italian what was the other one?

Aries there you go channel it anyways maybe don't be nice to everyone no I'm gonna put that on a shirt especially if you don't feel safe and you're not causing them harm it's better to just it's better to just have them think you're a bitch you might even find that deep down hey you were a bitch all along a smiley face I love that thank you both for reading love you and your podcast so much this is from Quinn thanks Quinn Quinn what a story you have the nicest little uh subscribers listeners oh they're the best oh they're so sweet they really are like the these listener tales like feed our souls

totally because they write the nicest thing wait we gotta get grandma on the line here I need some more oh yeah I know oh my god poor thing because that's another thing where it's like you would feel this survivor guilt or you'd feel this like how did i get out of that like how did i get out of that apartment or just like imagining that you were there like yeah that you looked probably would have done to her like what would have happened if she was if she went with that whole be nice to everyone be polite don't be a bitch she would have let him in the building see that that's why that part is what keeps

me up at night it's like i gotta learn to like step my put my foot down because i don't i'm scared of that shit yeah right because it really is better like what she said it's better people can think you're a bitch you know what you are yeah that's what I always say you want to think I'm a bitch that's fine I know what I am and you're safe at that point and I'm saying yeah and I guess that's all that matters exactly exactly that's all I mean you're safe and you know who you are so that's all that matters facts love facts I'm putting this next one into a pdf because I can't read so we'll just for a second

this happens every once in a while we're like vamp until I put it in a pdf yeah okay we are good woo all right so our next tale is called listener tales i also met a murderer i love that it's like i also did that which is crazy that's the theme here today i don't even know if we said that at the beginning actually oh yeah so the theme today is probably the title of the episode so maybe you guys got it you knew what you're in for we're doing another installment installment of how i met a murderer yeah i don't know why i said how like it was like how i met your mother yeah how i met a murderer that's

what we should go show actually yeah there you go i'd watch how i would murder yeah yeah and at the end they should make it out there yeah take that and run it that's our ip you can't have it that's what we discover we're like that's legal right when we say tm you can't take it yeah yeah we don't really know but we'll find out all right so it says that time i stole the taco bell name tag from the guy i sat behind in high school government class to pin on my backpack and he ended up robbing and murdering someone wow that's like a series of events i never would have put together i hate that taco

bell had to make its way into that because i love taco taco bell so good we got taco bell last friday it was the best decision we ever made i was having a bad day and i was like i was like he's dying because i was like was it friday when i was like i am a goblin yeah like i just felt like a goblin that day you know you just wake up and you're like i'm a goblin like nothing's gonna be right I'm a troll, not a goblin, but that's okay.

You're a goblin. I'm a troll.

What about you? What are you?

I'm probably just a bitch. I'm just a bitch. And I literally was like, it's Taco Bell today.

I'm full goblin. Let's go.

Let's get 85 tacos.

What do you get? A quesarito and two soft tacos.

You get it in the crunchy Dorito taco.

That's what you get.

I love the Dorito. I'm a Crunchwrap Supremor.

I love a Crunch. crunch i don't know if i like a crunch a crunchy taco chemical cheese yeah and then oh those sorry not sponsored by taco bell but like i know those cinnamon oh my god those are so good if you order those like late night and then you wake up in like the middle of the night at like 3am and you just like pop a couple of those you're like that's pure happiness yeah they do that's what life is all about i want those now actually forget this i'm going to taco bell i'm like so we're ending the episode bye taco bell time all right but this person stole somebody's taco bell name tag not their

delicious treats it says hey weirdos i'll start with the obligatory gushing about how much i love your podcast thank you i found you in the last year and love listening to you girls as i get ready in the morning while doing laundry driving by myself and really any other time i can get far enough away from my seven and ten year old so that i i won't traumatize them just yet just yet just yet love that i'm an elementary music teacher in rural missouri rural i know rural's making its way rules the secondary theme today it says despite what you see in the news don't worry we are not all closed -minded

people who would hunt other humans down with a hunting rifle just because they don't agree with us that's really good to hear that's like a great thank you for that great sponsor for missouri yeah and it's been my experience that true crime the sorry that true crime type shows and podcasts are a stress stress relief for educators not sure what that says about our psyche but i go with it well you guys are going through it you got to contend with a lot as an educator today for real like literal heroes in my opinion pay them more god damn it pay them all the money we all want them to make more i

want them to make so much money i say it all the time yeah they should they absolutely because i can't we tried we can't do it no well and everything they deal with now especially but also i was an asshole when i was little yeah even just like teaching kids i'm like you deserve way more money oh we tried to like do because we held our kids out during like the height of covid so we were like okay well we got to keep them they were only in like preschool but we're like we're gonna keep the curriculum going even that john and i were like i don't know how teachers do this like i don't know how to

do this like teaching them to read i don't know how to because i'm just like i just know how to do this so i don't know how to do that word yeah i'm like it just says should or they'll ask me like why does that say should like that doesn't look like there's an l in it and i'm like i don't know to be honest yeah yeah it makes sense now growing up when my parents would be like i don't know it just yes and i couldn't accept that as a kid i'm like why but why though but it's like in reality you're like i literally you're like it should because it should yeah it's just the way it is just memorize that one

there's no conventional the amount of times we're just like i don't know That's what it says.

That's it. I love you so much. Love you.

And then I'm like, ask your teacher.

And then I'm like, pay her more.

The circle of life happening right there.

But this person says, I'm also one of those weirdos who listens to morbid to fall asleep at night.

So there you go. I love hearing that.

Same Z. It's so funny.

I also feel a kinship to you girls, especially Elena, as we fall squarely in the same age group and I understand all of your cultural references and giggle when ash misses some of them elders i'm always like wait what like paul newman yeah like paul newman it just happened yeah love you anyway girl thanks let me check okay on to the story fun of it i just got done listening to your listener tales that time i met a murderer and realized i too have met a murderer when i was in high school and excuse me when i was in high school i hung out with some rather shall we say sketchy people we've all been

there it was one of those my high school boyfriend was kind of on the edge and hung out with people who pretty much off the edge so i hung out with them by proxy sort of thing you know that thing yeah that my boyfriend ended up ended up a great guy and is now a contributing member to society woo but for context his high school best friend was murdered a few years ago in a sketchy situation but that's actually another story damn we need that one too i know sad right i had i sort of had two personas one me that got got almost straight A's, was first chair saxophone in band, rarely broke curfew,

and was a Girl Scout.

For real. Whoa. I love that it was like for real.

I really was. I'm not lying.

I'm not lying to you.

I had the badges. I got the coaches.

How many badges? I want to know.

Do you still have any Thin Mints left?

And then there was the other me that hung out in a back parking lot on the weekends, smoked behind my parents' back.

I later found out that they knew all along.

Parents, am I right?

They always know. They always know.

And they always tell you later i knew that whole time oh yeah i've gotten a lot of those oh yeah yep drank at parties and apparently hung out with future murderers i don't really know much about astrology but i'm a sag don't know if that says something about me here ash oh are you i am a sad oh so you're a fire sign am i yeah oh look at that i'm a sag rising um i don't know if like what that really says i don't know a lot about sages in general oh we're right before my sign that's all i know yeah we're fiery fiery and we want to like run away and like start new things a lot oh we want to run and be

free don't give me rules no yeah yeah oh there you go so maybe that was like a different part of your sign like your birth chart like arguing with the sad side you know that makes sense yeah because it's like i was out i was like rebelling against everything that makes sense i like it yeah so anyways one of my boyfriend's best friends aforementioned guy who who got murdered, his friend sat by me in my government class.

This was after my high school boyfriend and I broke up, but we were all still friends.

So a friend of a friend would flirt with me some, and even though I really didn't like him that way, he did always strike me as a bit creepy.

I would start to flirt back because high school girl.

Out of all the guys in this group, he was always the one that gave me the weirdest feeling.

Trust your gut, people.

It's true. He'd just started working at Taco Bell and would wear his name tag to school sometimes just to be weird, I guess.

A couple of kids did that in my school Did they really?

Yeah it was like I got a job It was like a flex Maybe like Jack in the Box or Target That's hilarious I never got a name tag at any of my jobs I got one at Hollywood Video That was my favorite It was my favorite job I would still work at a video store Me too I would love to be like the Rewind girl Apparently Apparently Blockbuster's making some kind of comeback.

Did you hear that? No. All of your heads just turned.

Their website just reactivated for the first time in like years.

Are we bringing VHS's back?

Let's go. I don't know.

Be kind, rewind. I'm ready.

Be kind, rewind. Let's go.

Who knows? Yeah. I want to go on a Friday night.

I want to see if that box is there.

Like it's like the risk.

The anticipation. Is it going to be there?

Is it not going to?

Am I going to have to wait another week for someone to return it?

I had to wait so long for Titanic.

titanic yes oh my god really two vhs yeah yeah i remember that i don't remember much about video stores oh it was such a time yeah we missed a really good era yeah i did sad for you all right so he was wearing his name tagged to school very strange um la -di -da -do blah blah blah sorry i lost the la -di -da -do that's what it says yeah that's exactly what it says well his name tag was in the shape of a jalapeno pepper and i just thought that was funny so we made some kind of trade i now don't remember at all the actual circumstances but i ended up with the actual name tag pinned to my backpack we were juniors

at the time and even though he didn't end up graduating i left the name tag on my backpack for the rest of high school as a matter of a fact my mom keeps literally everything and i was up in her attic not too long ago and came across that backpack and the name tag is still on there oh damn that's crazy now fast forward about about a year from graduation.

I'm a freshman in college doing my own thing and have pretty much forgotten about Taco Bell name tag guy.

I get a phone call from my mom and she's like, do you remember Taco Bell name tag guy?

She obviously said his actual name, of course.

I was hoping she said Taco Bell name tag guy.

Me too. I like that better.

I was like, yeah, why?

Well, apparently he and this couple, they were using some kind of drugs, broke into an older gentleman's house to rob him.

They thought he wasn't home or something, but it turned out he totally was home.

so taco bell name tag guy stabbed him to death before they all ran out to get uh to the getaway car driven by a guy i also went to high school with that was actually a pretty good kid he apparently got in too deep with these jerks the couple that was with him were quite a bit older than us and i did not know them i mean i always knew he was a little bit creepy but i never thought murderer type creepy but as my mother would attest to i have no intuition and would definitely be the first one to die in a horror movie because I would be the one that didn't heed any warnings and explained everything

away like an ostrich with its head right down in the ground.

But you know what, you know that about yourself.

Yeah. And that's good.

Only she's aware. Yeah.

Awareness is the first key to survival.

It's the first step, you know?

If you didn't know that, I'd be worried.

I also think I would die first in a horror movie.

100%. But you wouldn't because you know that and because I know that.

So I'd be in that movie with you and I'd make sure.

Okay, thanks. Don't worry.

I'd be the dumb ass who's like what is that let me go check hello so needless to say when I came across my backpack with his name tag on it I got some serious goosebumps and the more I listen to your podcast the more I'm thinking should I burn that backpack and sage my parents attic you know anyway that's my I also met a murderer story I'm also going to put a couple links to true crime stories that happened in or are related to my hometown in case you ever wanted to do an episode on any of them.

Wow, thanks. Because even in rural Missouri, crazy stuff like this happens.

Thanks if you made it this far in my story and keep it weird, but not so weird that you break into a guy's house and stab him to death, okay?

Yeah. P .S., I have attached adorable pics of my kids and fur babies.

Oh my goodness, the cutest of all babies everywhere.

Yeah, really cute. You know what she should do?

She should find what prison he's in, the Taco Bell guy, and mail the name tag back to him.

Oh my god, that's a good idea.

Yeah, they probably need it.

Yeah, they could just take the sharp part off of it and give it back to him.

Yeah, you know? Give him his jalapeno pepper.

I think that would be good.

Probably need this in jail.

Something to look at.

Yeah, you know? Something to look at.

Something to do. You're always looking for something.

Nope. I love it. I think that's a great idea.

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All right, so my next one is Listener Tales' Wanted Murderer Bought Me a Bikini.

but why though but why though that's what we're all asking let's see and can i use your name yes hillary i can thank you for telling me that what's good my spooky beaches i've attached my listener tail in the form of a putter which is about the time i helped the police catch a murderer in my hotel and the creepy shit that live at led up to that fateful day this is where i tell you to cut it down if it's too long and it's where you say you won't also in this email is the security footage oh my god news clippings and mug shots oh my lord i love security footage she came through all right so this says

the time i assisted a SWAT team in taking down a wanted murderer wow imagine just being able to say that i know that's a sentence you could really like win two truths and a lie with that absolutely it says oh my god if you're reading this it means you're reading this.

We're reading this.

Give me a second while they get my shit together.

I am watching it happen.

It's true. It's happening.

I am currently sitting on my couch at 11 30 p .m. Both my toddlers are sleeping and I am not.

I feel that. Why you ask?

Because I have crippling ADHD that has made it literally impossible to turn my brain off.

In between researching how cuttlefish camouflage themselves while also being colorblind, I've got Miss Rachel songs playing randomly in my my head if you know you know deb deb knows because you know what yeah and i know that's the thing with like when you have like kids all day you're like i can't wait to sleep but then when they go to sleep you're like i just need to be alone for a minute and like shut everything off so you end up staying up until like 11 30 or 12 just being like i just need this alone time that's why they're in my three to five year plan there you go not the right now plan yeah

i have no plan i like my time sleep love it uh so researching cuttlefish you know i feel that because i go on like crazy little i love doing that right i love one little thing and then i went down a rabbit hole about sloths oh i learned so much about sloths do you know they can attack people like very quickly oh i did no oh i was watching sloths snatch people oh are you serious yes yes they're coming for us they're coming for us and don't they have like really long like sharp fingers acrylics i have i know why it's so when they hold this thing the claw wraps around the branch not their hand wow

isn't that interesting and they also swim really far oh thank you you sloth knowledge all day i have it sloths always look like these little cutie pies and you don't mind that they have those giant acrylic nails because you're like well you yourself by anyone but when you first look you're like you're not gonna hurt anyone because you're a sloth you just have pretty nails i'm gonna be sending a sloth attacking people yes please do i need to be aware of this i would just walk up to one and be like what's up sloth but now not anymore now i will not oh all right i was first introduced to your podcast

while i was pregnant with my daughter i was an avid listener of a different true crime podcast but was getting tired of how polite they were oh no and now they left out a lot of the details because well i'm fucked up.

I listened to one of their episodes and was not satisfied with the information so I went to the interwebs to find out if any other podcasts had covered it.

Yours was the first one that popped up.

So I scrolled back and found the episode.

Within five minutes of pressing play you had called one of the players a fucking dingus and I knew I had found my people.

Sounds like us. Yes it does.

I've since listened to almost every episode and love how the podcast is evolving.

Thanks. I just listened to the plane crash survivor episode and absolutely loved it.

Thank you. I pre -ordered elena's book the day it was available thank you and i listened to the entire thing in two days of the day it was released it was amazing and i'll definitely sign whatever petition gets you to write a sequel because jeremy needs to get his comeuppance well don't worry you don't need to sign a petition i was gonna say by the time this is out you'll hear the news there will be another one uh and thank you that's really cool to hear my name is hillary and please use my name after birthing two kids i'd love to have a non -embarrassing reason to pee my pants i feel that's so hard

It just takes a sneeze.

So this story starts back in 2015 while I was working in a hotel at the front desk.

As customer facing jobs go, hotel front desk is by far the worst I've ever experienced as far as customer abuse goes.

I can imagine. I hear that a lot.

Yeah. People, because you also have to deal with the late night people.

Yeah. You know. People who stay in hotels are entitled as fuck and I hate most of them.

Oh no. I was used to weirdos.

I was used to people cussing at me.

I dealt with a dude high on LSD who decided that my housekeeping manager was in grave danger and cornered her in a room and was literally body slamming the door to try and get in to save her oh my god I had a woman call me a cunt at an ungodly decibel because our outdoor pool was closed for renovations in the middle of the fucking winter well that's your fault the whole thing started on a Monday on a Monday evening two men came into the lobby and asked if we had availability we had a few rooms open so I booked them a room he mentioned that he didn't know how how long he was going to need to stay.

I let him know that we had availability that whole week and to let me know before checkout time whether he wanted to extend for another day or two.

Totally typical walk -in.

Checked in with a legit credit card and legit ID using the name Paul Cunningham.

He was very charming.

We carried on our conversation easily.

I handed him his keys and he and his companion, who had been completely silent this whole time, walked up the stairs and and went to his room.

The next morning, yes, I was working the next morning.

My GM was a literal nightmare and had me scheduled to work from 3 p .m. to 11 p .m. and then 6 .30 a .m. to 2 .30 p .m. the next day.

The good old Clopin shift. The Clopin.

I hated the Clopin.

She also once sent me home for coming to work with no makeup on, bitch. I didn't say that, but I agree.

No. He came to the...

I would be sent home like every day.

He came to the front desk and made conversation while he drank his coffee it was a little friendlier than i was comfortable with but it wasn't any different than the other weirdos i dealt with just smiled and continued to talk a little background on me i was raised in an extremely oppressive religion which now i've been deconstructing for the past three years it was definitely a cult my place in the world was ingrained in me men were superior and women were to follow behind them they led we submitted no no matter what.

That's awful. This led me into abusive relationships, one ending with a broken jaw and no will to live.

Jesus. I learned to give men what they wanted because if I didn't, I'd either be yelled at or beaten up.

That's awful. It was easier to acquiesce.

I love that word. Thank you for using that.

That's a really good word. I haven't heard that word in a long time.

Can I get a definition, please?

That just felt like...

I know, right? What does acquiesce mean?

I think it's basically like acquiesce, like I'm just going to...

it was easier just to like submit almost just to like put it out of your brain and just go with the flow okay acquiesce place of origin it just pirates of the crew you have to google that one just want to pretend i'm on the spelling bee well she did say am i the only one who can't use that word without thinking of pirates of the caribbean how funny also do you say pirates of the caribbean or pirates of the caribbean people say this different i think i say it like both ways like like interchangeably see when i'm this is another weird word when i'm talking about the caribbean i talk about it as

the caribbean but pirates of the caribbean it's funny it's like oregon and oregon trail yeah i don't know why i do the same thing i never really thought about it huh like pirates like oh you're going to the caribbean but then i'm like did you see pirates of the caribbean see i just said caribbean when i went to say it without thinking see pirates of the caribbean sounds insane to me that's funny also acquiesce means to accept something reluctantly without protest. And it is a verb.

Submit, basically. Yeah, it's exactly what you said.

Okay, challenge. Try and use that word today.

There you are. I will not acquiesce to that.

Sporadically. Sporadically.

I hope not sporadically.

He and his friend came to the front desk and asked where the mall was.

After I told him, he asked me what bra size I was.

Wow, that escalated quickly.

I know. Damn. him um no last name or uh yeah right i laughed because what and he kept on you're so skinny i bet they don't even make them that tiny i'd be like i quit i quit ew i quit then why ask which was super gross because he seemed to really be happy about that after awkward laughs he left a couple hours later he came back with a bikini from victoria's secret oh my god fuck i gotta go oh like i gotta go i'd be calling someone you did not have to deal with this money sir yeah i hate that you had to stay at your shift and like work after dealing with this too for real it really freaked me out

but again but again he's a man and victoria's secret is expensive so i accepted his very generous gift and he went up to his room oh no i'm really glad that you like deconstructed that way of thinking yes me too because that's really sad that that was like drilled into you he extended his stay again the next morning and asked if i had tried on the bikini he gave me i said that i hadn't but quickly let him know that i was working basically back to back shifts and hadn't had time god forbid i should offend him he said i needed to take pictures for him when i put it on i'm leaving oh that's so funny

we were literally just talking about this being polite yeah yeah you're just talking about this yep and these are the times when it's even even sadder when it's been like really drilled into you as a kid like part of like the tenements of your moral code kind of thing instead of just like a blanket you need to be nice it's like not only that this is part of your entire being yeah like oof that's loaded very loaded so he said he needed to take pictures and she said oh for sure i said with an extremely convincing customer service smile he left the desk and i didn't see him until the next day i was working

an afternoon shift and when i got into work i saw that he had extended again great what am i gonna say when he asked to see the pictures i didn't take of the bikini i didn't try on after a couple hours of normal hotel stuff check -ins room changes housekeeping requests etc i hear no from around the corner of the desk i couldn't see who it was but i looked in the big convex mirror we had in the corner of the lobby and saw that creeps mcgee was trying to get my attention in the mirror he was motioning for me to come to him my body was screaming fuck no but my traumatized by religion brain could only

obey right so i walked around the corner i know i'm an idiot no you're not an idiot you were traumatized yeah that is not being an idiot it's also one of those things where like Like, what are you going to do in that situation?

Yeah, that's the other thing.

Like, you're just going to react right away.

You are by no means an idiot for doing that.

He looked over my shoulder a couple of times, like he wanted to make sure no one was watching.

And from inside his boxers, he pulled out makeup.

What? Well, at least it was makeup.

Okay, that's how you get me.

You're a serial killer.

Like, uh -oh. Like, you're creepy.

He pulls out makeup from his boxers.

All right, I'm in. Oh, you're all right.

what is that pat mcgrath i know i'm like okay i'll take some of that well he pulled out three random brushes an eye shadow palette mascara and foundation in a ziploc baggie wow this is bizarre oh this is bizarre behavior i did not expect this out of his boxers and he said go yeah go forth this is weird what the actual fuck i saw these and thought you would like them he said almost sheepishly gotta go he didn't say he bought them they weren't in a shopping bag and they didn't have any plastic on them or wrapping to indicate that they hadn't been opened before again this really weirded me out but i

accepted oh poor thing i was just glad he didn't ask me about the bikini pics the next the rest of the night went by without incident wait you know what i'm thinking he's a wanted murderer is that his like previous victim's makeup oh my plot twist honestly probably and saying I thought you would like these because they don't have plastic on them like they've clearly maybe been used before and even if they were like lightly used or something and they're just like in a zip lock bag in his pants I think that's where we're headed I gotta know why do they have to be in your pants couldn't you just

hold it and bring it down no because that's weird that's a little much you're just putting it in your pants and walking up and being like, well, I have a present for you.

We'll see a magic trick.

Like close -up magic.

Oh, no. I don't love that.

I feel really bad. She's stuck in this.

On my next shift, which was the morning shift, I started my day with him extending his stay again.

But he changed the credit card on file and went back up to his room.

Interesting. At around 10 a .m. on a very slow Thursday, a man wearing a white Billabong t -shirt and cargo shorts, wow, what a vibe.

walked briskly up to the desk he pulled a detective's badge out from under his shirt and put it very discreetly on the desk i was too stunned to say anything so i just looked at him wide -eyed he pulled out his phone with a mug shot pulled up on the screen it was creeps mcgee i knew it he had long hair in the photo but it was definitely him the detective asked if he was here and i just nodded with his index finger he scrolled up on the screen to reveal something thing that my stomach made my stomach fall out of my butt do you see what that says the detective asked quietly there in big bold black

leather letters was wanted for murder can you imagine having a detective be like you see that right there you see that wanted for murder i'd also be like are we on law and order sir i feel like can you just see that yeah i know i mean you could also just tell me yeah i can read sir it's okay listen billabong you're just waiting for the like like, dum -dum, what's up?

And it's like, is everything all right?

I felt all the blood drain from my face, and it must have been obvious, because all the detective said was, which Ramazan?

I love that. This guy's living for this.

You know he put that outfit together?

He was like, I need to look like a beachgoer.

Absolutely. I want to keep everybody off their game.

I quickly told him, and he walked out the door, returning moments later with six other they're plain clothed agents holy shit he asked if the rooms on either side of the suspect were occupied and i let him know that they were his first initial plan was to breach the door but but decided it was too risky with civilians in the neighboring rooms he then decided that they would set up a sting operation in the hotel lobby oh my god the other officers cleared out the lobby of other guests instructing them to go up to their rooms or to leave the premises i would have been so pissed i'd be like can i

please stay i'd be like i'm gonna leave the premises see you later i'll leave the premises yeah i was gonna say i'll just peek through the window and a little continental breakfast i'll grab a muffin on my way out crappy coffee yep uh they took spots all over the lobby one pretended to read the paper oh i would stay at this point if they're setting up in like that's what i mean tableau then i am i'm gonna be like let me read the paper let me be one One of these people.

So one of them pretended to read the paper at a table in the lounge.

Another pretended to peruse the gift shop.

Amazing. I noticed in particular the one reading the paper because he was fine AF.

I wouldn't have minded being arrested by him, I don't think.

I love you, Hillary.

At this point, the lead detective told me I needed to call him down to the front desk.

I was like, excuse me?

If you don't get that reference, you need to watch Pitch Perfect immediately.

Immediately. He said that – I just read it as it was a thing.

I have not seen Pitch Perfect actually.

I think Aka, excuse me, because like acapella maybe.

I thought it was excuse me, which I – I've never seen Pitch Perfect.

I like better. It's a guess.

I saw it, but I don't know.

I don't know. Acapella?

You're right. We'll circle back.

Yeah. You know what?

We'll come back to that.

We'll watch party later.

We'll watch. We got now and then on the docket first. Yep, yep.

He said that all I needed to do was get down – get him down here and said I could use his credit card as an excuse.

use so with all the poise I could muster I was about to call up to room 209 when the phone rang no I looked at the display and it said Cunningham Paul 209 no I looked at the detective and said he's literally calling me right now what do I do he just motioned for me to answer it and so I did I had no idea what I was going to say but thankfully Creeps McGee asked if he was if we had a business center with a computer he could use I let him know that we had one in the lobby and he said he'd see me in a second and hung up.

Sure enough, he came downstairs and crossed the lobby into the business center.

I just smiled at him and pretended to click away on my computer.

Only moments later, he came back out to ask for printer paper and the officers swarmed with guns drawn.

The lead detective's voice boomed, don't move or I will shoot you.

That is the closest I've ever been to the business end of a handgun and I don't ever want to be any closer.

I backed up against the wall and he was taken into custody without incident.

I found out his name was actually Angelo Doeing.

Is that? Yeah. Doeing.

31 years old. And he was wanted for a group assault in which the 24 year old victim was beaten to death.

Oh my god. He had been on the run for four months at that point and was apprehended because someone called in an anonymous tip.

After searching his room, heroin, a box cutter, a hunting knife, and two guns were recovered.

Holy shit. Nice. I asked the detective if they needed the things he had given me and they said that they didn't, which was almost was disappointing because i felt like throwing away the things he gave me would be rude and that made me feel really guilty really throw them out religious trauma is so real thankfully my co -worker recognized how insane that sounded and took them from me we love it i don't know what she did with them but i'm sure they ended up in a parking lot dumpster i've attached a couple news articles along with his mugshot and the security footage of the actual takedown which we

will be watching hell yeah thanks so much for taking the time to tell my story keep being awesome and always keep keep it weird, but not so weird that you allow a religious cult to mentally beat you down so much that you let a murderer buy creepy things for you, and then feel guilty for being part of a sting operation that takes him down.

To be clear, I now think of that day with pride and no longer feel guilty, fuck his feelings.

There you go, Hillary.

Much love, Hillary.

I so relate to that, feeling guilty for taking him down.

Being part of the sting operation.

As he's being led away in cuffs.

I'm so sorry about that.

Have you enjoyed your stay?

your feelings though.

Do you want a mint?

Okay. I'm just throwing at them.

So sorry. Well, she came through with receipts.

She did. I love that.

She gave you security footage.

I love that. Whenever we get a video of something, I'm like, oh.

Me too. Killing it.

Wow, that was damn bonkers.

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So, next story. Ready?

Oh, I'm ready. Hey, weirdos.

My name is Sage, and you can totally use it.

I will literally explode from excitement.

Ooh. Don't do that.

I hope you're okay.

And I'm a huge fan of the show.

I feel connected to you guys in a way that I just don't with any other podcast and you do a great job at doing what you do thanks Sage I'm sorry this can't be in a PDF I have the computer skills of a worm with brain damage we were just trying to figure out how to airdrop essentially same I apologize for how long this may be I am autistic and a chronic rambler never apologize longer the better baby hell yeah so on to the story i'm from a small town in southwest england which is very historically significant and very haunted can i live there i know i have tons of my own stories i could send in but this one

is my boyfriend's i will be calling him f because the area he lives in is small and close -knit and he could easily be identified i recently listened to your episode on the murder of Sophie Toscan du Plantier.

That was perfect. Damn.

Really good. Yeah, snaps truly.

And I lost my place.

And immediately called F when I heard that it happened in West Cork.

He has lived there all his life.

Yes, he has an Irish accent.

And yes, it's absolutely gorgeous.

Cool, because that was my question.

Yeah, me too. I was like, do you swoon daily?

Because I would. And I wondered if he had heard of the case or of Ian Bailey.

God damn it. Damn it.

Wrapping your name up in something awful.

I wasn't expecting anything too interesting.

He's not really into true crime and finds it a little spooky how obsessed I am.

Right? Guys always find it weird. I'm like, why?

But in true Irish fashion, he gave me a casual, oh yeah, I know the guy, to be read in an Irish accent.

I was gonna say I was gonna try to do it but I Can an alien do Irish?

I'm mad at Irish It usually just goes English Oh yeah I know the guy There you go I know the guy That's cool Irish And he proceeded to recount the wildest events I could have expected F first met Ian Bailey when he was seven at a market He was running a stall selling wooden trays and bowls and he sold F a small vintage toy car The car became F's favorite and he played with it for years, not knowing it had been handled by an alleged murderer.

This was only the first of multiple encounters he had with Ian Bailey, which is absolutely wild to me.

But unsurprising, considering the low population of rural, rural Ireland.

Rural. I told you it's the same.

We need to abolish this word. f recalls teachers and parents warning children not to talk to ian and calling him a quote bad guy but no one talked about the murder specifically and he only introduced himself as ian so when f met him again selling food at a market in town of colonicality perfect shut up i have no idea you were like nailed it clonicalty he only saw him as a regular old man this part of the story disturbs me especially because he bought the guy's cake he bought and ate a piece of cake which had been made by a potential murderer this shit is wild I literally cannot he claims the cake

was very nice at least it was good cake he describes He describes Ian as a friendly and charismatic and compared to and compared him to Ted Bundy.

But it should also be noted that he could be absolutely terrifying to young women.

He would often flirt with them only to become angry when they rejected his advances and he would often change emotions quickly.

A family friend of F's best friend once went to a party at a pub in school and spotted him standing on a bridge.

She waved at him and smiled, and he turned to look at her with a cold expression on his face.

He then smiled and waved back before switching his expression back to a blank stare.

Ugh. I know. He had been spotted on this bridge many times by numerous adults close to F, including his former camp leader, who was Ian Bailey's neighbor, and his friend's parents.

He often acts suspicious, and F claims that, quote, everyone knows he's guilty, but no one can prove it.

Oof. The most recent encounter F had with Ian was at the age 15 when buying a book from him at a market.

He showed me the book and flicked through the pages, exclaiming, he touched this.

They talked for a while and he gave F a bookmark for the book.

F says he F says he speaks like a pretty normal guy, but he still felt uncomfortable knowing what he could have done.

F has also visited school on numerous occasions.

restructurations he says that the house is in the hills slightly away from the main town and that it is very quiet and secluded he claims that there is very strange feeling there that he can't really put into words he said quote maybe a presence a ghost or a banshee a very heavy morbid presence we are very heavily present there it's not when you walk into a place and it's like it does feel like that no and it's the creepiest feeling the lizzie borden house oh my god have you ever been there the lizzie borden house especially the abby's room yep abby's room was crazy and our phone started going

like crazy in there we were taking live video and it just stopped working it kept glitching like and it was this weird like heavy feeling in there yeah that you were just like i don't know what's going on but like and i've always like questioned that on ghost shows when they're like, our equipment's not working.

We feel this heaviness and it's like.

Oh, because then you sound like those TV shows, it stopped working.

Yeah, exactly. Literally.

And we're like, no, seriously.

We're like, don't make it work again.

You're like, seriously though, it's not.

But that was like, you were like feeling sick.

Yeah, I got super nauseous.

She had to like literally back out of that.

That happened to me before.

Yeah, that's a weird, that's a weird thing, huh?

It was heavy. Yeah, it's like inexplicable.

It is. Yeah. I thought that this was all absolutely wild and had to share it with you f has had many experiences separate from this concerning aliens and the supernatural i will persuade him to let me share them he seems to be followed by everything dark and morbid including me which i would never expect from anyone so outwardly joyful and colorful i will try to attach the only photo i have of my boyfriend friend age seven at the time with ian oh no yeah if my poor technological skills allow it i will also attach a photo of my most recent painting which is completely unrelated but i feel you will both

appreciate the weirdness of it in a way which most people don't oh my god it's beautiful i love that if you've made it to the end thank you for reading keep being amazing love sage sage i love being amazing i know that's such a good name damn see this painting painting this painting's so cool let me see let me see this share with bailey look at that oh that's so cool wicked cool good for you sage showing it to the room and look at the seven year old with ian bailey alleged murderer wow i've actually never heard of ian bailey what do you do do you know so allegedly some people believe that he murdered

sophie toscan duplantier gay um it's like a very well how would you describe that case it's very controversial yeah really yeah he um it was the french government basically convicted or did convict him of the murder but ireland will not send him over to france like they won't extradite him because i think they don't think he did it why so there's these very like big camps of like he did it he didn't do it or like you know i really got yeah i have no idea i did an episode about it like a couple of months ago.

Yeah. Only it was like a one part and then I think there was like a Netflix documentary about it at one point.

Yeah. It's really interesting case.

I'll have to listen to you guys' episode.

In a very sad case.

Yeah. Her murder was very horrific.

It was like the day after Christmas I want to say or like the day before Christmas.

Rude. And she was like this beautiful just like go -getter kind of girl.

Just cruel. What was the motive?

Do you know? That was the thing like it didn't seem like there was one but whoever killed her she was brutally brutally brutally attacked and that bridge played a big part in the case too because people said they saw him on the bridge and his alibi was the bridge that he just mentioned is an interesting thing because he would just be standing on that bridge and people either saw them and then pulled back the confession saying they didn't see him on the bridge so that's the thing like you're getting all these but then people said that they were like scared out of confessing or like they did confess

and then they were intimidated of course it's crazy so it's one of those that's like really convoluted oh wow I always feel bad like let's just say in a perfect world like he is 100 % innocent could you imagine how shitty that would be but then again why won't he move that's the thing but maybe that's why maybe he thinks that and it's like either he's innocent and he's scared that like cause as we know I mean look at the West Memphis 3 you can be completely innocent and still almost be put to death yeah I know so it's like maybe he's like I don't know if I can prove this or he's not and he knows

that they can't go anywhere yeah so it's like he's just being an asshole like that's the thing you're gonna see either way right that's fuck but that's the thing you can see it going both ways yeah and i do always think though when these people i'm like if they are innocent can you imagine well we always say that going back to lizzie borden about her the rest of her life people would just like sing a song about her brutally murdering her parents and if she didn't do it which there is a lot of evidence to support that she didn't and it was a catchy catchy song it is we used to jump rope to it when we

were little that's the thing and people would go up to like her new home there and like sing it and she's like this old lady and these kids are like throwing rocks at her door and singing that she killed her parents and it's like what if she didn't what if she just came home one like what if she just found them that way she just needs to lean into it be like i sure did well that's the thing at that point i would just be like then you probably shouldn't be throwing rocks at my door because i'm a murderer that's be the character yeah like was it maplecroft yeah sorry yeah that was the name of her

uh second second home wow poor thing i know do you wanna should we do one last small one yeah well that's not small vamp for a second oh that's so you have a second book coming out i do congratulations thank you that's incredible are you proud i'm it's like so much fun i love that I just want to write books all day, every day.

Amazing. It's so much fun.

Is this something that you would like to continue doing?

Yeah. I have so many ideas for future ones too that I'm just eager to dive into.

For you. Thank you.

It's very cathartic.

It's a really big catharsis.

And you're so good at it.

Oh, thank you. You're welcome.

Once I started doing murder mystery makeup is when I realized, oh, writing is fun.

It's so fun and so therapeutic.

And researching and all that.

that like i love all that part and it's like having it when you're done like a like all this like thing that you're like i did that like that's the you did that shit girl yeah it feels good it's like your little diary yeah i know it's you know it's scary when you put like the book went out so you have this weird dichotomy of feelings where you're like i want everyone to read it but i also am terrified for one person to read it like it's literally like no one read it but everyone read it i know i can't imagine that yeah it's really it's a weird feeling yeah it is it's like a diary because even

like when i write a case and then i present it i'm like oh god everybody's gonna hate it i can imagine it being like a book yeah you know it's crazy amazing thank you congratulations thank you you're welcome i wish nothing but success for you oh same right back to you oh thank you i love this nothing but love nothing but love here just support you guys i want you guys can do amazing okay oh my god thank you so much love all right i found one on and it's pretty small okay cool okay we're back guys we're back that time i met a murderer it says okay so i was just listening to the that time i met

a murderer episode and it completely unlocked my experience from deep within the vault more of an oh haha that happened kind of thing picture it defiance ohio summer 2004 i was freshly graduated from high school and desperate for that first tattoo so i popped into a shop town with not a stitch of research done mind you it was a different time and we didn't have the internet in our hands with reviews and all that jazz anywho dude man says he can do it and come back at blank time so i go around up my best friend for support her sweet sweet mom tried hard to talk me out of it something we would joke

about for years after anywho we got there and the guy kind of gets me all set up but you can't ever in a million years guess what 18 year old courtney got why yes a butterfly on my lower back love love tramp stamp yes perfect love very very early aughts tattoo yeah so we get going on this butte and the guy was not gentle or kind i kept flinching and that made him yell at me at one point he stopped and said he was done and not gonna finish ah he did keep going and did finish and i was the proud owner of a new tramp stamp woohoo fast forward six months my support my My support friend called me and said

to check out the Toledo blade.

Toledo. Thank you. Wow, that was dumb.

Toledo. Toledo blade, front page.

So I hopped on my good old desktop and found an article about the guy who did my tattoo and his girlfriend and how they were wanted for murder.

Oh. Can you imagine like having that?

You have a tattoo by him now.

Yeah, that's a lot.

That's true. Oof. Girlfriend lured a guy into a sketchy motel with the promise of sexy time and tattoo guy guy was waiting there where he proceeded to rob and shoot him and poor guy just wanted some nookie oh that's really sad that's horrible and also they wrote the thing not me um i had to do some digging to find any articles about this because it's been almost two decades oof that hurts to say but i found where they fled to kentucky and he ended up killing the girlfriend oh my god he then fled to nashville where he was captured and brought back to ohio he was convicted and sentenced to 32 years.

Four years later, he was talking with his parole officer and confessed to killing the girlfriend and said where her body could be found.

So now he's in for life.

Damn. And then they attach the link for us.

It says, so yeah, fucking wild.

But it does make the story of my first tattoo a good party story.

That's true. That's true.

I would bring that one up.

Silver linings, I suppose.

They said, thank you for reminding me of it, but please share the next time you please share the next time you do a meta murderer episode i would lose what cool is left in my 36 year old self you gals are awesome and i've grown to love and depend on your podcast i always listen while i'm opening up my bar at work and it helps me get past the oh i'm at work feeling oh thank you oh my god that is bonkers i can't believe how many people have encountered just murders on the street like this you know right so many we have so many that are not even like in this folder yeah just like lingering in the email

oh yeah wild it's crazy we could do so many of these installments yeah i know right do you have anything you want to plug i'm sure you do because you're always working on all the cool shit murder mystery makeup as usual hell yeah going on my favorite i love your murder mystery makeup me too um also dark history we're ending season two and we're starting season three in the summer i love dark history it's so it's so i love it highly recommend thank thank you go check it out yeah you can find me anywhere you listen to podcasts yeah um social media whatever you know i'm here i'm around i'm just here

you know you can find me if you want that's okay too yeah i'm still very honored i appreciate you guys need to come out to california so i can show you la so i could show you my place yeah on my show we would love that yeah know we still have to do something i've never been to california you haven't only when i was like a little baby and i don't remember it okay i've been there but i was visiting an ex -boyfriend who was like the worst ever yeah so we need to give you a different view yeah so we need a different experience i need to i can help start that one yeah we'll come yeah we'll redo it for sure

yeah it'd be fun and we can go on those hollywood like they have their own little murder tours you know we can see like the manson house like the black dahlia that would be cool it's pretty fascinating yeah not really but like it's nice updating house now yeah sunshine what a fence i love it no seriously thank you so much for coming on and thank you guys for listening we hope you keep listening and we hope you keep it weird but not so weird that you met a murderer because holy cow that's crazy and listen to your instincts yeah keep it And keep it so weird that you listen to those.

And keep it so weird that you keep telling us about when you do mean murders.

Yes. And don't be afraid to say no. Yeah, be a bitch. I'll be above.

We have lots of advice for you.

Don't keep it so weird that you're not a raging bitch. Yes, just channel your inner New England, Aries, Italian woman.

Yes. Yep, that one listener's grandma.

Do it. All right, bye.

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[Listener Tales: Encounters with Murderers]-[Episode 454: That Time I Met A Murderer II ft. Bailey Sarian]

📋 Summary

Podcast Summary: Encounters with Murderers

The "Shoe Guy": Jerry Brudos

Trusting Your Gut: The Importance of Boundaries

The Taco Bell Name Tag

A Sting Operation in a Hotel

Conclusion: Keeping it Weird (But Safe)

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