Today, we have a friend in the house.
Actually, we're not really friends.
Like, I feel like I'm parasocially friends
with Suki Waterhouse, however, we're not really friends.
Like, have we ever gone to dinner?
No.
Have we ever hung out?
No.
In fact, the only time we've actually met is at the Met Gala.
I interviewed her at the Met Gala for, like, three minutes.
What was funny about that interview
was right before I did that interview,
the producer for the Met Gala interviews was like,
hey, just so you know, Suki is on tour right now.
You might want to bring that up.
So in the interview, I bring that up.
I'm like, so you're on tour right now.
And she's like, actually, I'm not.
And I was like, oh, okay.
This is so awkward.
But today, this interview is going to be a lot more organized.
And I will not be asking her about a tour that she is not on.
But I'm excited to be speaking to Suki Waterhouse today.
She started out her career as a model when she was a young teenager.
Then she eventually started acting.
And then she eventually put out music.
She is a multi-hyphenate.
You may have seen her on the cover of Vogue magazine or Elle.
Or you may have seen her acting as Karen in Daisy Jones and the Six.
Or you may have heard her music live at Coachella or blowing up on TikTok.
She is a new mother.
She just had a baby a few months ago.
And she's sort of a mother of a new creative project coming out September 13th.
Her new album, Memoir of a Sparkle Muffin.
One of the most interesting album names I've heard all year.
Anyway, I'm so excited to speak to Suki.
For some reason, I feel like we're friends, even though we're not.
So that's super awkward.
But maybe after today's interview, we will become friends.
So I present to you Suki Waterhouse.
Let's get her into the house.
I'm so curious about your unique relationship to each part of your career.
It's very rare that somebody has such experience in three different categories.
Like, I feel like you've kind of done it all in a way.
What's your relationship to modeling, acting, and singing?
Like, what's your unique and brutally honest relationship with each?
Yeah, I mean, yeah, you said like having doing each three in different worlds.
I do sometimes think about that.
I'm like, oh, it's quite strange that I kind of know what it was like to really be in fashion.
Like, not so much anymore.
But I definitely like had all that experience and like did it from 15.
So, yeah, I guess I started modeling when it was like, you know, A to Z.
There was like, you know, nothing like that.
And it would literally be like clambering around London,
going to places that I'd never even like been before,
like taking the bus, doing like 30 castings a day,
having people say the most like insane shit to you.
Like, it was very blunt.
And it was also just like this complete avenue out of the house.
Like, I kind of lived not in the suburbs, but like a little bit out of London.
So, leaving the house for the first time,
like being out for the first time, like meeting people,
being at parties and being around creatives.
And it was like this whole thing.
But yeah, having a little bit of all three,
it's kind of like an amazing, like fortunate thing that I kind of get to get to do.
Yeah, like get to sort of do a little bit of everything.
And in like such a, you know, such a broad industry,
like you've gotten to do so many things.
And I'm curious, like out of everything you've done,
what has been the most fulfilling for you emotionally?
I mean, fulfilling for me emotionally,
it's kind of that's an easy one.
It has to be music.
Yeah, because like, you know, I don't know, music,
I've been writing and I've actually been putting out music for such a long time.
It was like a whole decade of writing and putting out music and like so much.
So much kind of just like exploration that happened a long time before
like that many people even knew.
But I was, I don't know, I was like so happy just having Districate
and putting up songs that I thought were cool.
And I would like put out a couple of years.
Because I never really actually thought that I would ever get to like be playing shows
or doing any of the stuff that I've been doing.
Like it just didn't even like occur to me.
So I feel like music was maybe the first thing that I thought I was going to be able to do
and like kept doing while everything else happened.
And then when like modeling happened, acting happened,
I was kind of plagued with this like hole in my heart for like years.
Because I just, I don't know, I felt like, oh, it just won't be,
you won't be, it won't be allowed.
It won't be accepted.
Like, oh, you've already done like modeling and acting.
Like you cannot add another one like to know it's like too much.
And it was and it was like super scary to me.
And just and you just think, oh, like, it just won't, it won't happen.
So it was, it was like very gradual in a lot of ways.
But when, yeah, when I did decide to like put out a record,
I think it was like something to do with the show actually, like doing Daisy Jones.
Like I really wanted to get that part.
And I think I really wanted to like play someone that like
was super confident about it and like was going to go for it.
And that character that I played Karen Serco.
And then I knew that I would be like in a music studio for like months on end.
And we'd be rehearsing.
And I'd be around all these incredible producers and Blake Mills that they were
hiring.
You know, so I knew I'd be like in that space.
And then and then, yeah, and then actually the show didn't end up happening for like
a whole year after because of COVID and everything.
So in that space and in between, there was like something in the ether that kind of just
maybe it was like the world feeling like it was like, you know, kind of like fell apart.
And yeah, that was just that thing where you just suddenly go like, who cares?
Who cares?
What am I going to lose?
And so I very quickly decided I'm going to put together an album.
But I had I had like so many songs like I was ready.
Yeah.
And I'd done so much work and so many sessions.
And there was so many like shit songs that I'd written and things that,
you know, so many avenues that things that hadn't worked out or like blocks and overcoming
things in my brain like that had happened been happening for like a decade.
So in lots of ways, like I had such low expectations, you know,
of course, like such low expectations of anything.
And and I kind of made the album by myself and I just kind of went like,
you don't you don't need to.
You don't need to wait for like a label or a thing or anything like that.
You just totally just make it.
And then those things kind of like happened after I made the record.
So yeah, in terms of like fulfilling emotionally, that's like, yeah,
music is like a lifeline like the next album is called memoir of a sparkle muffin,
which is like a ridiculous.
With the name, I need to know more about it.
Like immediately continue, but it's kind of.
Yeah, the first one, the first record was called I can't let go.
And I think that was like you can tell even by the title.
It was kind of I was very like trapped in my own like psyche and neurosis.
And I felt like, you know, it was like, yeah, I kind of felt like that almost
like a cloud around me.
And then and then this one's called memoir of a sparkle muffin where I feel like,
yeah, I can't let go.
And this one, I'm like, oh, I've let go of so much.
Yeah, I'm like so much freer.
And I like feel like I can like own my narrative so much more and I feel proud
of it and not just like like kind of embarrassed.
You know, are you the sparkle muffin?
Yes, I am sparkle muffin.
Does anyone like is that a nickname that you have or like,
or is that just something that like came to you?
Like tell me about this name.
It's the sparkle muffin is this like rare Australian spider that I found just like
scrolling on Google like late one night.
It's only just been it's like was discovered in like 2016,
which I don't know how no one has like found this guy before.
He's like crazy.
And he has like a sparkly little butt.
And he does like this little dance like they do.
He does like a kind of mating dance.
And if and if the mate doesn't like the dance,
then that it will it will like eat the other spider.
So I kind of it was like a metaphor for like, you know, dancing for your life
and being in like, yes, like the public or whatever.
I love that.
Yeah, but it's just cute.
And I also just really wanted to like declare everything to be like that spot.
You know, I wanted to be like on Zoom calls and be like that sparkle muffin.
That's not like I love that.
I know what can be just like having a kind of and then like the memoir of the sparkle muffin.
I don't know.
I love like I just like obsessed with people's memoirs.
Like I read them all the time.
She like I feel like it kind of came from did you see that Jane Fonda documentary
where it was like the eras of her life.
I've not actually watched it.
It's so emotional.
That's kind of yeah, she kind of like cuts it up into the like, you know,
the years and the different things and the guys that came in and the things
were happening her career and and like, yeah, you get to kind of like have this
full scope of her entire life.
But yeah, I love I love like reading memoirs and stuff.
So it was my more of a sparkle muffin.
So do you feel like the album is sort of the story of your life?
Or do you feel like it's more like, is it more like the story of the last year?
Like, what do you think?
Do you feel like this album is sort of telling like a specific story?
Did you go into it?
Like, I want to tell a story with it or or is it more just like all the music
I create in one way or another is sort of a mini little memoir about me.
Like what what is sort of I don't know the vision.
I guess you pull out of like everything that you're still like paying attention
to that still feels like very much in your orbit like at the time.
But yeah, I wouldn't I wouldn't have written that album for the last one
because it's kind of it's so much about like where you are, like what kind of space you're in.
So yeah, I always put on things from the past because I feel like,
you know, you're just like a memory box of everything that's ever happened to you, right?
And like, there's a sense of like, yeah, what's important to me now.
But yeah, I guess this one, it's like a metamorphosis kind of thing of like,
going from like, like the back cover is kind of like, has this red light on it.
And it feels like, like almost like this red, sinful light.
And I have this like kind of diamond cage choker on me and like,
and then the and it's sort of like, yeah, self destructive.
It's like the glamour.
It's like all the the things that like when you make your life is like kind of difficult.
And then the front cover was like, I was almost picturing this like Mulholland Drive.
Like it's after I've had like a like a Hollywood car crash and I've like come down
and I'm in this like oasis where like things like I don't know,
all so difficult and like the way that I want to live as like,
can be much more like fruitful, like filled with like good relationships.
And yes, and like, yeah, like you don't need to be a tortured artist or like,
kind of yeah, like the best way I'm kind of finding that at the moment, actually,
like I yeah, I think that's something I think about a lot.
Like do I need to have like a super like tortured horrendous like existence to make art.
There is that like temptation to be, I don't know, like to sort of be this,
you know, wearing the all black and like being sad and like crying and like,
you know, I don't know, but and that that's what creates good art or, you know,
art that speaks to that mentality is good art.
But I think some of the most interesting and most impressive art is that that
actually pulls from a place of strength. You know, yeah, it's interesting.
Yeah, I kind of feel like like, you know, like what we kind of do and everything is so
it is like there's a ton of like difficult things that come with it.
So I guess like, hopefully, like my life doesn't have to be as crazy.
Because like things are outside already crazy. So yeah, I feel like I want to have like a hub
of strength and like go home to like something that feels like an oasis.
Yes.
You know, where you can like recharge and I think incredible things like especially
with this album, it's the strength of like the relationships and like the people that
you have around you and like, and like how talented everyone is.
Because like I love more than anything, especially with music and and in film,
like bringing other people up with you and along with you.
Yes, is like the best thing ever.
Don't you love that?
I love that.
I bet you have like with your company and like everything you do where you're like,
you're amazing.
Yes.
I want to like, I want you to like thrive and grow and like, I don't know,
especially with like, like younger people around me as well.
Like I, I'm always just like done you.
Yeah, you know, yes, I want that I want I want to like, yeah, have like,
I think that's like an awesome thing. Like we spend so much time working.
Yeah.
So you want like that working environment to be like as cool as possible for yourself
and for everyone else.
Yeah, absolutely.
How do you think, I mean, congratulations on being a mom.
Thank you.
So amazing, but also like,
It's so crazy.
It's so well, I think too, we are in a really, you know, being in entertainment in general, it,
I think the transition to motherhood is a lot more challenging.
I just can't believe that like, because it's only she's only like five and a half months old.
I'm kind of just like, Oh, I can't believe this has been only five and a half months since this
has happened. But it's, it is kind of one of those things. I think it's like, it is quite,
you're really surprised at first and you're like, what, what, like, what is, but then
there is like this element of like, they come and suddenly you're just like,
Oh, like, there you are. Yeah.
Of course.
Like, it's almost like they were always there.
Yeah.
Like, I don't even remember.
Yeah. You're just like, Oh, like here you are. And you're just like, you instantly are like,
you're, you're, you're just like a part of the crew.
I've always wondered that because I just, to me, it would feel, I think,
I mean, it's probably an impossible to describe sort of.
But you just don't even know. And like everything that you weirdly think about all the like
scenarios you go through the whole time pregnant, I'm just like thinking about it,
of course, and then talking about it and what's it going to be like? And it's going to be like
this and like, yeah. And you just like, you can't even, you just don't even know anything.
You literally don't know anything. And also you don't know anything because you have no
idea like what kind of baby you're going to get. Totally.
You literally, it's just one of those things where you're like, I have no idea what's going
to happen. And then everything's just like a surprise. And I feel like that's like the
coolest thing ever, because I feel like now I'm just in this thing where this thing, like,
it's just a constant surprise. Like, I don't know. I'm like always just like,
it's like a mystery movie, like a mystery novel. And you just think like, oh my God, like what,
you know, what, where we're at now, what are we going to be in five years? And like,
who's going to be in her life? And I don't know. It's like very, it really like fills you with like
a lot of wonder and a lot of joy. Yeah. So yeah, I felt there's just like this joy beam.
So it's like joy beam. She's just like a complete joy beam. And do you think like,
I imagine, I sort of have a hypothesis, right, about like the impact that having a child would
have. And I think, I don't know, being in the public eye is really challenging and uncomfortable
because, you know, and it can feel like at all times, like the world is crashing around you,
you know, like it's, it's, it's very easy to lose perspective. I could imagine that having a child
would really help to combat that. Is that hypothesis at any, is it accurate?
Yeah, no, I kind of think that's true. There's so many cool things, like even in the last
like couple of months of having her, it's like, I'd like to take her on her morning walk or whatever
and we like get up early and she gets up early and we, yeah, I never used to get up early,
but now I get up early. I love that. But you go, but you go and actually, I've become like so
much more like in, like, I've become so much more of like a community person with even like
the people that live around my streets and everything. Because like now it's like instantly,
you're like, hey, of course, talk and you have kids. And like, you know, you've gone and walk
and now she's been like invited to like a little swimming party on Friday. And I'm like so excited
she's getting a little outfit. But it's just so, yeah, so that's actually really nice. Like I feel
even things like that. And suddenly like your Sunday is like going to like someone's house with
like a bun and everyone just has their own like little ticking bomb, which is like fun. It's like
a new sort of like way of like hanging out with people. And you just like, yeah, I feel like a
little, I feel actually more grounded to the earth and in terms of just like, you know, like living
where you actually live. And you know, sometimes you ever feel like that, especially here where
it can be like kind of tough to actually like feel like you live somewhere and you're part
of something. And I think having a kid actually kind of is quite helpful with that. Yes. I mean,
it completely makes sense because they're not, I don't know, you have to be really present.
Yes. With a child. That's the only so present in anything that grounds you. No, it probably
do present. It's crazy. But I think it does. It does ground you. And that's something that I think
is a sort of, I don't know, silver lining through all the challenges because it's
obviously it's the challenging. It's like, but it is so grounding and it's a life changing.
Yeah. And it's also really nice to be demanded of that presence. Yeah, it is actually. It's like,
it's kind of an amazing thing to be like, oh, like, you know, yeah, you kind of like time just
passes by. You're not like looking at your phone. You know what I mean? Like you're not,
you're not able to just kind of, you have to, yeah, you have to like be, you have to be quite
like mindful with like how, you know, how you spend the time and then when it's like home time.
Yeah. It's definitely made me like more of a, it's made me more of like a morning person of like,
we get up really early and then I'm, I'm kind of like, I want everything to be done
by six. So like, you know, we can do that, like wind down together. And, and, and also
I kind of like quite enjoy the night stuff sometimes in a way. I know that sounds not if
it's too intense and just waking up a lot, but there's something about like, because you really
like aren't thinking about anything else in the middle of the night and you kind of, you can just
like, you know, bring her into your bed and you're just like playing for an hour. And so it's very
like sweet. There's something about that, like nothing else is happening. And that's just like
quiet. And I found that those moments actually quite, like quite cute. That's amazing. Rare.
Yeah. No, not, not all the time. Obviously sometimes you're like, yeah, if it's like too
much, you're like, if she's listening to this, don't get any ideas. Okay. Sleep through the night.
Yeah, exactly. When it comes to raising a child with, with, you know, your job, like
what's sort of your, your plan? Like, are you like, I want to shelter my child from this for
as long as possible. You know, what, where's your head at with that? I'm curious. Um, yeah,
it's yeah, there's that thing. I don't know. I think it's going to get harder and harder. It's
like, obviously I would like, I would like really like to not have her face shown or anything like
that. You know, that would be like my ideal, but I also think I have to be kind of a realist about
like the kind of world that we live in. And now she's like almost six months. She, she doesn't,
like she wants to look at like flowers and touch things and like be out in the world and like,
yeah. And like that's been a little bit more intense since I had the baby. There's like
people outside and like they, and it's this thing. I don't want to, it's that thing where it's like,
I want to shield her from that, but I also want to take her for a walk and like, and sit at a cafe
and like take her out and, and like someone might like, they probably are going to take a picture
and they probably are going to show her face. And you don't actually get like that are laws,
but they go around them and it will end, you know, so you kind of have to be, I think it's like,
I have, yeah, you have to be kind of a realist and, and not be like, also not like be like
devastated and wind yourself up so much because we live in like the most insane world where like
it's pretty difficult to, if you want to just even, if she, if she's going to like
have a life where I bring her out and that's what I care about more, you know, I care more about like
me being peaceful and being able to like show her the world, then like totally hiding her inside
and stuff like that. It's like that I wanted to have like a cool life. So yeah, I think that's,
I mean, it's, it's important to not overprotect, I think, because I think yourself and your child
and your loved one in general, like I think over protecting in some ways can cause even more,
more damage. And it's about probably finding your perfect. Yeah. Nothing's perfect. Nothing's perfect,
but your most comfortable homeostasis at all, you know, you just like, there's so much that you,
there's a lot that you can't control. But yeah, I guess my plan is like to, to just bring her
like, she's coming on a tour bus and wait, tell me everything about that. I don't even know. I
know is like, yeah, it's going to be great. I don't know. It's going to be crazy. She's going
to come on there. Yeah. And I guess like I've planned it so differently. So I'm not like on
the road for like months at a time. We got to do a couple of weeks, come back and then, and then do
a couple of weeks again. But yeah, I don't know. It's like, I guess, yeah, it's different in that
I have to, like, I have to have her like with me. I can't like it. She's, you know, she just used to
be. Yeah. I mean, you're, or do you feel like it will be separation anxiety when you're away from
her? I just don't want to be away for, yeah, I just, I just don't, I think that's like a really
important thing. Yeah. Like my life obviously is going to like is changing. It's not, there's not
so much of, um, you know, maybe I could do like a couple of days at a time, but I don't want to be,
you, I just, yeah, it's just, you can't probably work in the same way. You can't quite work in the
same way. Yeah. Cause before, you know, it was like you were the only one, you were the sort of
the one creating your boundaries just based on emotionally, how you were doing it. There were no
boundaries, but there are no, I can imagine there were, I mean, you know, you'd be like on tour and
then, and then, you know, doing a show that, you know, yeah, exactly. Whereas now I think it's
probably like, it's different, you know, you're kind of forced to slow down, which I think is
probably a beautiful thing. You're forced, you're forced to slow down a bit. And then like, I think
obviously like family is super important. Like that makes you feel so much better. If you have
to go away for like two days or something, like you want family to be there and like,
and we've got really great family as well. And like, so that's, and it just makes your parents
so happy. Totally. It really does. It's like, that's actually such a sweet part of it. Like
it's made me like feel very connected to, to, um, both of our families in like a, in a really sweet
way. And it's just so amazing. Like, yeah, like seeing them light up and everything, but yeah,
the plan, yeah, I don't know. The plan is like you, you can't plan them. I know you hate this
because I can tell you're such a planner. No, I am. Wait, that's so funny that you noticed
that you're like, what's the plan? I know, but I think you just have no idea what's going to happen.
You kind of just have to make it up as you go. Totally. It's so inspiring to see,
because I think that there's a lot of, especially like, I don't know. I think a lot of people
fear starting a family and what that does to their career, what that does to their,
you know, to their, to their identity, et cetera. And so I, I'm always, but it is, I get, yeah.
But also, I guess I'm also speaking from like a privileged place where I can have support and like,
I can have family. Totally. That's, that's like important to note. Absolutely. Yeah. Yeah. So it's
kind of like, yeah, I mean, it is, it's an all encompassing thing. There's definitely like
sacrifices, but there's some, I think, I think I was like, I think I was like ready to be able,
it's almost like a great excuse for people that like, you know, when you like kind of want to,
you know, you don't, you don't maybe want to run around the world, like quite as much.
You're like, I can't. Yeah. Yes. You have the most valid, perfect excuse. Yeah. You can
probably get out of any plans. Exactly. You want right now. You're like, I, I cannot go to dinner
this week. I feel like you would quite like that. I would, you know what I mean? Like you can kind
of like bring it in a little bit and like obviously you can still, you can always, you can still go
out and do stuff, but, but it like kind of, yeah, maybe you'd like to run around the world a little
less or maybe you'd like to, you know, I don't know. I feel like just, just about at the moment
where I can go, okay, I'm like grown up enough. Yeah. That's also interesting. Like I, I feel
like, did you have a moment where you're like, okay, I think I'm, I think I'm a grown up now. I
think I'm ready. I think I'm ready to be a mom. I, I feel like that never comes for anyone. I feel
like it's a myth. Yeah. But you kind of just go like, no, I kind of, yeah, I kind of was just like,
yeah, not, not grown up enough, but I was like, I think that we could, I could like figure this out.
Yeah. And then you just, and then you're just like, oh, I'm going to just do it. And then,
and you just see, yeah. And then you're just like, you just rise to the occasion and everything's
fine. Yeah, exactly. And then it's like so much. Yeah. There's this, so you're constantly,
you're constantly learning. What kind of music are you going to play around the house or what
music are you playing around the house for baby? Like, I feel like that's so like, I feel like I
still have such a, I'm, I feel formed from the music that my parents played and I bet you do
as well. Yeah. We do like, yeah, we do like disco. Uh, I'd play a like Fleetwood Mac, like some of it
will actually make her like a little emotional if it's too kind of like some, you know, like it
actually really affects them. Like, yeah, but yeah, she likes like art beats. She now likes like
dancing in your arms and stuff. Um, and then yeah, in the mornings, in the mornings I like do a look
at, yeah, I've been, I don't know. I'm like being silly, but I like play her like baby Mozart and
stuff. Cause I'm like, this is going to like make different like neurons in her brain connect and
like my parents trying to just make her smart. Yeah. Great. Honestly. I like play her the piano
as well and have her like look at that and stuff. That's amazing. All kinds. Yeah. All kinds. What
did you listen to when you were a baby? I remember my mom played, um, and she said she played it in
the womb as well. Like, uh, Layla by Eric Clapton and that was, and that song, I always feel like
very connected to it. Yes. I want to be better at it actually. Cause my parents are like, actually
Tracy Chapman. I remember listening to him, but I was one of four and it was kind of, yeah. Well,
I think when it's just you, but then when, when there's like four of you, it's just like, I don't
know. I think my mom was like, please don't play any music. I just, I just want quiet. I can't deal
with it. Kind of like probably a fun household. Yeah. It was a party. Yeah. It was, it was mental,
you know, it was really crazy. That's a lot of kids. It was a lot of kids. Yeah. There was two
of us. And then, and then my mom had twins a bit later on and, and, um, that kind of just like
threw everything completely just wild. Yeah. It was insane. Do you want to have, do you want
to mimic that? Oh my God. Four is crazy. Well, it was like twins, twins. And it was like a big
surprise. And we were actually already like six and eight or something. So I think they felt like,
oh, it's kind of done. And then, and then there were like, surprise. Yeah. But that was like very
fun for, I, I, I loved it. Like I actually love having four of us. It's complicated. It's complex.
Having everyone in one room is quite complicated. There's a, there are so many different dynamics
between the siblings. Totally. The parents. Like if you put two of us and the parents together,
it will be completely different. I think when we all come together, it's actually quite difficult.
Yeah. Yeah. I mean, of course not. There's a lot of, yeah, there's a lot of personality. There's a
lot of personalities. Yeah. It was chaotic and kind of like beautifully chaotic and, and yeah,
mad, but there's like, there's so, there's so much beauty in having a lot of you. Yeah. But yeah,
oldest one I got, yeah, I kind of, and I got to kind of, I did kind of get to watch them really
grow up as well. Like I remember being told that they were coming and, you know, like having the
scan on the wall and carrying them around and feeding them and like everything like that. Like
I feel like I got, I got to like really like watch them grow up, which was like very special.
For your other baby, the album. Yes. Tell me about your favorite track. Like,
what's your favorite track? Why is it one that's already out? Is it one that's not out yet?
Tracks. I think the ones that are already out, um, oh my God, I really like doing, and I love
doing that one knife. It's such a like upbeat kind of like crate. Yeah. I think like, yeah,
I mean, yeah, I literally went from doing things. Like my first album was like, so like,
everything was quite sad. And you know, and now, yeah, now I just kind of been so much
kind of like freer and what I could do. So I love, oh my God, I love my fun. I went to Devon in
England and did like a kind of two weeks sequester. We were in like the middle of nowhere. We had no
car. We really just like completely isolated. And it feels like very like hippie, kind of like
free loving. It was like very, like, yeah, that like the environment around us, like we found like
a bag of, um, a bag of recorders. You remember like used to do it. And like thought it was like,
you know, you just go like crazy and you like think that this is like the funnest thing ever.
And we, we like, we have, I am tooting these random recorded parts all over the song and that
one. And I like thought I would take that out and then it ended up, you know, we ended up just like
keeping it. I love that. So like that one always makes me like really smile. It's like very,
very joyful and an upbeat that song. So yeah. Oh my God. Um, what else have we put out so far?
I just put out super sad. And then the next one, uh, I have this song. I think my, yeah,
one of my favorite ones, um, is the song called model actress, whatever, which is like,
which is my outfit, my anthem. But that one, that one, I just shot this video for which, um,
which like, it's like very, it's like completely different from anything I've ever done. Like I'm
really, it feels so good to be like so genuinely excited for people to see it. Like, you know,
like everyone on it just went above and beyond and like worked so hard and there was such amazing
energy. And it's like, yeah, like that, you know, it's like, it's like taking the piss out of myself.
Yes. And like it's the whole, there's like a script thing in it and it's, it's really taking
the piss out of myself and sort of like in like a very like empowering way. I, there's nothing
more fun than that. Right. It's so much fun. And it's like, I don't know, like no one can,
you don't fear judgment, I think as much when you're making the joke about yourself first.
Exactly. It's like the only time that you can put something out and be like,
you can't say shit. I already said it. Yeah. It's like, it's the safe, it's the safe zone. Yeah.
I don't know. Yeah. It's bought me like so much enjoyment because like just the song by itself,
I was like, oh, I don't know if like, I like, I went through a lot of that of being like,
oh, cause it's going to be like, you know, everyone will just, that will be like your
title that will be like, you know, it's who you are. It's like, do you want to bring that on
yourself? You've already been trying to like not be like that. Yes. But I had this like inclination
to write this song because I'd like read, I was, it was kind of came from a bunch of different
places. Like I've been reading, I kind of had been like, I've been reading this like,
this like little zine thing with this woman called Jessica, Jennifer Blowdry.
Who's like a very niche socialite that no one's ever heard of, but she was kind of like talking
about like, like the kind of arc of women in this industry where you're like kind of,
you're an engineer and you're built up and then there's like catastrophe and you fall down. I
kind of, I was like very drawn to kind of those, yeah, like the Jane Fonda and there's a book
called After Andy that is about, there's a memoir of this woman that worked for Andy Warhol and kind
of like the aftermath of his death. And there's a Liz Fair book that I was reading a lot called
Horror Stories, which is amazing. It's just like her speaking so honestly about her life and all
like, you know, things that she's done that like, like affairs and things that, you know, just like,
so I love, I love like knowing about people's life like that. Me too. Yeah, it's the best. It's just
what we want. Like I want, there's nothing better. I love like a Wikipedia page. Like I love like,
you know, you can discover so much like who's with who and like everything like that. So,
but yeah, so I think that song that yeah, that song I was like hesitant about and almost like,
yeah, there was a kind of, I guess like while they've been putting the album together,
there was almost like a voice being like, don't like you've been trying, you know,
that will be annoying. You're trying to get away from that. And then I don't know,
something switched and especially then I started like conceiving this video and I'm like, oh,
absolutely hell. Yes. Yes. Like we're not making this like a whoa is me like, oh God,
like that is not what we're doing. Like we're making this really, really fucking fun.
That's what, honestly, I feel like it's all about having fun. Yeah, I agree with you. Actually,
I think sometimes I've thought that it can't always be like that. Or if you're like, oh,
if you're working, then it has to be like, it always has to be, yeah, serious and serious.
Yes. But it's the best, isn't it? It's like when you, yeah, when I'm sure you experienced it too,
like you have like, you've, you know, got, got like fun. You probably, you've probably like built
that ecosystem around you where you have fun as much as humanly possible. Yes. I do have moments
where I'm like, oh, like it's not always fun. You know, I, where I'm torturing myself, I'm like,
okay, you have to, you have to make things cool or you have to like make things like this or like
that, or you have to like get this much done or whatever. And it's not sustainable to torture
ourselves. To be tortured all the time. Yeah. Do you feel like you have a really high barometer
of how much you can be tortured? I think mine's pretty high. I think mine's pretty high. To like,
self, to like self torture myself, torture myself in every kind of, yeah. Yes. I think it's pretty
high. And also there are certain things that, um, that have just gotten easier as I've gotten older,
just to, yeah, I feel like things, things could like go wrong or fall apart or, but I think when
I was younger, like it used to be a lot harder to like read things about myself or like, you know,
that is difficult. I feel like you don't experience this. Oh, I don't see any other
Chamberlain hate ever. Oh, it is so there. Isn't it funny how like I would never see,
but I've never seen hate about you once in my entire life. Shut up. No, I'm serious.
The thing, this is what's so funny is that we see it of ourselves. I know, but that's the
funny thing. You, I think about it all the time. It's like, no one ever sees anything about you.
You are the psycho that goes and like, and finds it and sees it and it's on your thing. And obviously
you're in your own DMS with like people putting like some people just like send me like every
picture that I put on Instagram. They'll like send it to me with like a poo emoji over the top.
You know what I mean? Like, it's just like, it's like, yeah, with like, like so angry,
but yeah, there's that or it can, you know, that's like, I find that funny, but it can be more
insidious. Obviously, of course. Yeah. I definitely found that I did find it a lot harder when I was
younger because you're just like, and it's hard when like the worst things you think about yourself
you read all the time. Well, when it's confirmed, that's so damaging. It's horrible. It's horrible.
So that's hard, but I don't know. Yeah. I don't know. I feel like I've gotten, do you feel like
you've gotten a lot better than that? I feel like I just have a, I kind of have a bit of a fortress
now where I'm just like, maybe it's just like, maybe I'm just kind of like numbed out. I go
through phases with it. If it's something, if it's a new thing that like, a certain way that,
yeah, no, it can always get you. But I think there's a general, there's a general like kind
of wall that I've built. You're building this wall slowly, but surely. Yes, exactly. I do think too,
that like, you know, the sort of like building a family, I think further builds that wall. Yes.
Because you have now such a significant like life outside of your public image. Yeah. Through
having a family that like, it just doesn't, it naturally doesn't, you just don't care. This
shit out here does not matter as much anymore. It just can't. Yeah. And that's something I,
you don't have the mental, you don't have the mental capacity for it. You're literally like,
I'm not, I need to go and like wipe some poo. Exactly. I don't have it. Yeah. Exactly. Yes.
I look forward to that. Like that's something that I like. Of course. I really am. I'm, I am
excited for that. Yeah. Just having something that's more important. Yes. Exactly. Having
something that's more, more important. Yeah, it is. I actually feel so much happier having something
that's, that's more important than any of it. Yes. Any of it. Yes. Like it doesn't matter
what, what happens if anything goes, is that if anything's happening with my daughter, it's
like that that's, it's actually really, it's cool. Sets you free in so many ways. Yeah. Do you ever
think about, do you ever like, this just sounds so dark, but I guess when I'm thinking about the
memoirs, do you ever like think like, what will I be like? And like, what will my life be like
in my like fifties and my sixties? It's weird, right? It's so weird. Yeah. I am, I'm not like
afraid of it. No. Are you? No. I always really want like long, long, like a long journey more
than anything. Like I do want to be able to keep doing things. Yes. And keep creating things. And
you're just like, Oh, like I really hope that I keep getting to do that. But like, yeah, there's
so much more thing and there's so much change that happens and, and things, and things that you want
will change so much. I think too, that it also is like the only person that will stop you from
creating more things, I guess is you. I mean, there is sort of this, the industry of it all,
but I do think that no, like you can make things forever, but I think we do fear like, well,
what happens? Will the opportunity go? Yeah. Does this go away? I actually don't think it ever does.
I think it's, I think it's more, I think that there's always, you can always make stuff and it
might be for a different audience, you know, but it exactly or whatever. But I think it's completely
unknown, isn't it? It's so unknown. And it's all, and it's kind of, it is about like how much, yeah,
it's like the, it's like the ambition. It's like how much you put into it. It's like, I don't know.
I kind of, yeah, I guess I have that belief in myself that I will like, I'll be able to
ferret my way into like, you know, and find like a space to be like fulfilled in something.
But there's also like, there's so many peaks and troughs on there. There's like,
there's moments of like, there's moments of like times where everything's like crazy. And then,
yeah. And I guess like, I sort of like know that from doing this for a long time,
that there are peaks and troughs, that it's not, it doesn't just go like this. And I kind of feel
like, because I've been doing like, you know, starting from like 15 or whatever,
you just know, you started super young. It's like, you're not gonna, yeah. And actually that's,
that's, I love that because, I don't know, it almost feels scary to me to go so,
to go so atmospheric. Yes. Yeah. And then, and then that, because I think the more you go like
this, actually, the scarier it becomes sometimes. I agree. When, when you, I think,
like, if you expect things to go straight path upward in anything in life at all,
it will never happen. It'll never happen that way. And you'll always end up sort of
either disappointed or, or overwhelmed or like whatever. I think there's so much beauty in the,
in the ebbs and the flows of, of career, of love life, of whatever it may be.
A massive breakup could literally will, I think, change the course of your life.
100%. It like fuels you in such an amazing way as well. Yeah. So I've, I've, I feel like that's
happened. You know, I see that with like a lot of friends, like, it's like, that can be,
once you get like out of that, you never know, like what that few will do or like ending a job
or like something, a friendship or whatever it is. It's like, it can, it can fuel you,
like give you like stratospheric, like kind of, um, it's true clearance. Like, yeah, everything,
I think like the, the home life of the friend's life, everything kind of like plays into each
other. It's sort of like a, like a pyramid or it all kind of has to, has to exist together. Yeah.
It is crazy how a breakup will really just, it'll just change. I'm always so excited for my friends
when it happens. I'm like, Oh, I know. It's like, you're about to like, yeah, just like, I don't know
how to glow about you again. You're gonna like, there's always like the breakup. Well, see,
sometimes I go through a breakup and I look so much better after like immediately. Like I just like
look fresh. Yeah. And then there's sometimes where I look horrible. So it depends, but it is true
that like the, the, the toughest moments always have a silver lining. I've always long-term been
happy that, you know, the things have happened. Exactly. You can't have like, I just don't think
you can have like joy and clarity. If you haven't had like a ton of shit happen to you, I really
don't. Totally. Like it's just, it's impossible. I, 100% and there is a lot from all those things
like that. That's where we pull from to create things, you know, like even the good stuff too,
but also the bad stuff. Like we, if we didn't have dynamic experiences like that,
what would we pull from? We'd have nothing to pull from. What are you excited about
creatively? Like what, what are you most excited to do creatively in the next,
say five years, something new, lean into music even more? Like what is on, what's in your heart?
I think, I mean, it's definitely making more music. I feel like, I feel like you,
like I was, I was at this party the other day and Beck, the musician was like, you should
make as much music as humanly possible right now because like you have the energy to do it. And
like he's like, everything that you do. And at the beginning is usually what like stands the test
from. It's like, you know what I mean? Like it's kind of like what, when you have that spurt and
you have that energy around you. So that's like, yeah, he's like, be prolific, do as much as
possible. So like, yeah, I'm like, I'm like in the studio trying to make, like make as much music as
possible. Like already thinking about like another album and yeah. And, um, cause that's just like,
yeah, it's like, it's, it's so enjoyable. It's so fun. Like I get to go on tour. I get to like,
like I love, and I love that as well. Like I love, I'm, I'm so in love with performing and doing
shows and like the ridiculous nature of like getting in a bus and like, it's such a strange life,
but I kind of just absolutely love it. Like it's summer camp on wheels and it's,
it's like completely bizarre. Yeah. Um, but yeah, doing like, yeah, touring, um, making music. I do,
I would love to, I want to, I want to like be in, I want to, I want to do like a movie again. I'm
missing it actually. I'm missing it. I'm like, I really miss it. I'd love to go off and do a movie
for a couple of months. I think it's nice that, you know, you have, you have so many different
things that you love that you can go and dip your toe in over here. And then when you're getting
kind of fatigued, go and dip your toe in over here. Like I think a lot of people plays into each other
totally. It's like, I know if, I know if like there might be a moment where it's like, Oh, if I'm,
you know, if I'm just in the studio and I haven't gone like nothing will go, you know, if I can go
and sink into a movie for a couple of months, like it would be, I know it would, so much will come up.
Like so much comes up when you're acting. Yeah. It's, it's, um, and there's like so many people
around. It's like this completely unique experience, um, where you just, you know, you love everyone
and you make something together and it's like incredibly difficult and demanding and, and like
joyful at the same time. And you're, and you're off just, you go and live somewhere else. Yeah.
A long time. Um, so yeah, like I, I, yeah, I feel like, I feel like there's such a, there's such a
like bleed. Um, uh, and I guess like things don't feel as separate as I guess you would think in a
way, like it all kind of feels, um, somewhat. Yeah. And I, yeah. And I guess like, I don't know.
I know people get like, uh, yeah, I feel like you get, you can get burnt out doing something
over and over again. Totally. So that is, that's kind of like a nice, a nice thing, but yeah,
it's all like very unexpected because you never, you literally have no idea if you're going to,
like getting a part that you love is like a hard, you know, it doesn't just like fall down on you
on the time. It's like, yeah, I still, I don't know. I went and did like a self time yesterday.
I went and auditioned for something. It was fun. Thank you for doing this. Thank you so much.
This is really fun. I cannot wait to listen to the full album. Oh, I can't wait to thank you.
Thank you so much for having me. Two babies album. You know what I mean? You really,
you kind of had twins this year. It's amazing. Thank you. Thank you. See ya.
