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I'm Jane Lindholm. I host the show.
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But when we get a chance to go on a field trip, we get really excited.
Do you like going on field trips?
Recently we went to New York City and our first stop in the city was in Harlem, a neighborhood made famous by an artistic and cultural movement called the Harlem Renaissance that took place a hundred years ago.
This celebration and blossoming of African American art and culture had profound effects on American society.
And Harlem is still a place that supports and celebrates black American dance, theater, writing and music.
We were visiting Harlem to pop in on a professional ballet company called Dance Theater of Harlem or DTH.
This multicultural group of dancers was hard at work rehearsing and preparing for DTH's 55th season, launching in New York City just two weeks from the day of our visit.
And we arrived at their rehearsal space, two dancers, Lindsay Donnell and Derek Brockington were working on a duet, a dance with two people that they'll be performing on stage.
Being this close to professional dancers was impressive and intimidating to me.
They are so strong and they're able to move their bodies in such precise and beautiful ways, with balance and elegance and a calm look on their faces.
Not at all like the intense concentration that would be written all over my face or how sweaty and hot I would look.
After they finished the song, the rehearsal director Juan Carlos Pinuela stepped forward to give them some suggestions.
Juan Carlos didn't make up the steps the ballet dancers were doing.
That's the job of someone called a choreographer.
But he is kind of like a teacher or coach helping make sure they learn each movement and then put them together just right.
Juan Carlos knows what it's like to be in these dancers shoes because he used to be a dancer with dance theater of Harlem.
My job is to tease the choreography.
If they know the piece, I help them to be technically better and make sure that they do the steps that they should be done.
Technically, artistically, push them to develop more as an artist and as a dancer.
When they were done rehearsing, Derek and Lindsay pulled up a couple of chairs and we sat down to get answers to your ballet questions.
My name is Brad and I live in Providence for a ride.
I am seven years old. Where did ballet come from?
Lindsay Donnell and Derek Brockington know their ballet history.
So ballet started in the French courts in the 17th century.
King Louis XIV loved the spectacle of the dance and the entertainment and he himself wanted to be on stage.
So they based it off-fensing so everything is turned out and it was to show off the beautiful rings, accessory gowns and they would walk around on stage.
In the next century and the 18th century, the Russians took it and they started making big story ballets that we still think of today like Swan Lake, the Nutcracker, some of those type of ballet stories.
I was going to say we jump forward to George Balanchine creating the neoclassical style where it becomes more dancing for the sake of dancing and so it's really great to see that evolution of ballet and what it can become.
What would you say ballet is today?
It can be anything you want it to be really and I think we're opening it up so that everyone has access to it.
It's not just meant for one group of people.
It can be meant for anybody and you can do anything with it.
I think ballet is a form of expression so you can move your body and express your emotions in any way you choose.
So for people who think ballet is just people in tutus dancing to very old music that has nothing to do with the modern world, that's wrong, that's not how we should think about ballet anymore.
Definitely not. We think of ballet technique as a vocabulary for your body so you can use, just like we use English and we can tell stories or we could talk about the news.
We use the vocabulary of ballet to say whatever we want to say.
So it doesn't have to be an old story with classical music.
At Dance Theatre of Harlem we actually like to use music from all sorts of time periods and eras.
We have a ballet to motown music so a lot of it music that people relate to today too.
When you think about ballet one of the things you might picture is a dancer standing right on the tips of her toes, leaping, stretching or spinning.
When a ballerina dances on the tips of her toes she needs special shoes called point shoes.
Hi my name is Karim. I'm seven years old.
I live in Phoenix, Arizona and my question is how do you make point shoes for ballerinas?
Ooh that's a good question Karim.
There are point shoe makers and it is put together kind of like paper mache so it's a layer of material, a layer of glue, another layer of material around a sort of molding and then you let it dry.
We cover it in satin and then it's ready for us to wear.
So it's a long process and then the point shoes as we wear them are feet sweat and we work in them and they break down so they actually don't last very long.
And a dancer can go through up to a pair of day sometimes because that glue as it gets hot and wet it breaks down.
Typically or historically only female dancers wear point shoes but sometimes that has been changing and sometimes people decide they want to go on point even if they're male dancers.
How do you decide who's going on point and when?
And on point means dancing on your toes in those special shoes.
Well first it's very important that you build the strength in your legs and before anyone goes on point and so usually around the age of 11 that's when your bones have finished developing to a point that they can support your body weight and that you can learn enough technique in order to go on point.
These days I think it's a matter of interest if you want to do it you can do it whether you're a boy or a girl.
Derek do you ever go on point?
I have not been on point now but there are so many things about it that it strengthens your feet and there's so many great things that you learn from it and it's really great to go.
My name is Harper. I am five and a half years old and I live in Raleigh, North Carolina and my question is why do ballerinas wear ballet shoes?
Can you talk a little bit about what you put on your feet and how that assists you to do your job in dancing?
Derek will start with your shoes.
Well for the men we have our flat shoes and they really operate just as a tool that we can use to enhance our dancing and it has a little pads on the bottom so that we don't get stuck to the floor and they come in various styles.
They have canvas shoes, leather shoes and it's really a cool because you can get custom so it fits directly to your feet so it's really just about making it the best for you and how you want to dance.
And does it help you not to slip on the floor?
Yes it makes it very sticky enough to not slip.
Lindsay what about you?
You have a couple different kinds of shoes that you can wear.
I do. I usually start in the morning in my ballet flat shoes and that's to make sure that the muscles on my feet are nice and warm and then once we get halfway through class I like to put on my point shoes and start warming up my toes and getting ready for my rehearsal day.
And we wear point shoes because of the reinforced sides it helps us stand on our toes so it's not as hard as if you had no support.
So it's still, sometimes it takes a lot of practice, sometimes it's a little painful but it definitely helps to have point shoes.
Hang on a minute you just said class and I think sometimes we feel like once we have practiced and practiced and practiced as kids and then we become professionals we don't have to have class anymore and we don't have to practice because we know how to do it.
Are you telling me even as professional dancers you take class and you practice and practice beyond just rehearsals?
That's right we take class every day we consider it our warm up to get our muscles into shape and ready to go that way we don't injure ourselves in rehearsal and we're always trying to get better as ballet dancers so class is the place that we do it.
My name is Miles and I live in Chicago all along and I'm five years old.
How does practice make you better at things?
I think especially with dance there's something that we call muscle memory so you're trying to make your muscles do it without you having to think about it and so that's why we practice so much and that's why it works.
So because when you do it over and over it becomes a pattern in your brain that then you can just do it.
Yes I would say that repetition is key but also that you are going to have bad and good days it goes up and down but just know that when you're doing it every day or you practice you know it's always you're going to keep getting better and you will have downs but your highs are going to be way higher.
We were thinking about it earlier and we were like it's like tying a shoe because I remember when I first started tying my shoe it was really difficult and it took me a long time and I had to think about it really hard and now I'm to a place I don't even think about it.
Coming up is dance a sport?
This is but why a podcast for curious kids.
I'm Jane Lentholm. We're at Dance Theater of Harlem today learning from dancers Lindsay Donnell and Derek Brockington.
One of you had a question about the incredible strength and skill it takes to do ballet and whether dancers should get more credit as athletes.
Hi my name is Marin and I'm 12 years old.
I live in Eden, Prairie, Minnesota.
I want to know are dance and gymnastic sports and if so why isn't the general public think of them that way?
Well I'll speak on dance first and dance it because my dad was actually a coach so I always wanted it to be considered a sport as well and it is very very athletic in the sense of how we train and how much effort we put in but it's also an art form and that comes back I think to the expression and we're not necessarily competing for who will win or be the other team.
We're doing it for the love and the beauty and I think that's what makes it an art form but push people to recognize how athletic it is for short Marin.
And the thing about dance is we're doing the same thing that maybe football players are doing where we have this huge audience watching us and we have to make it look easy and that is one of the big things that I think dance separates itself from so I think it can be both sport and an art form.
It's just different qualities.
Marin is a dancer and a gymnast and feels like they don't get enough credit for that and that people are often telling Marin like that's not a real sport and it doesn't feel great to be told it's not a sport because it sort of feels like they're not respecting how strong you have to be and how much you have to practice and what skills you need to have.
Do you feel like you get respect for the strength and athleticism that you have in this profession?
Well, I have tried to stop thinking about what other people think and do it just for me because usually when I focus on other people's opinions it leads me down a hole that isn't necessarily healthy and so if I enjoy it and I'm doing what I want to do then that's what I go with.
I agree. My name is Jordan.
I'm seven years old and I'm from Cambridge, Massachusetts and my question is why do people dance?
People have danced since the beginning of time since we could recorded like the cave drawings.
There were pictures of people dancing around a campfire or something, you know, so you can dance out of celebration, out of joy.
They used to do it, took like call the rain or those kind of things.
So there's many, many reasons you can dance.
I think for me I dance because I love it.
When I hear music and I hear that beat it's the only thing I want to do and I think life is about doing things that make you happy too.
So that's why I dance. People can dance for a multitude of reasons.
There's so many and I think that for me I dance because it is a way that I can express myself.
I don't always have my way with words.
So dancing is a great way for me to get out what I want to say or to make somebody else feel something and I think that is super important as to like why I do what I do.
What do you feel like you're expressing when you're dancing?
I'm expressing my own emotions.
I'm expressing intention for my work and I am also just doing it so that other people can see that they can do it too.
I feel like that's part of my dancing is not only just for myself but I'm doing it so that people who are watching they can believe that they can do it too.
Can you tell us a little bit about what you were rehearsing that we just watched a minute ago and what you're preparing for right now?
So we were working on William Forsyth's Blake Works for the Bar Project and that was the opening poddada and we are getting that ready for our New York season at New York City Center.
It is one of the opportunities that dance leader of Harlem gets to perform in New York City and we look forward to it a lot of our friends, other companies can come and it's just a really big event and so that is kind of what all of these dancing, all these rehearsals are for.
Do you get nervous when it's time for a big performance?
Sometimes I do. I think because I want to do well then that makes me feel a little nervous and a little jittery but I try to tell myself that that's the reason and use that extra energy to just help me shine brighter.
Lindsay Dunnell had one more thing she wanted to make sure all of you listening understand.
No matter who you are, what color you are, how tall or short, what kind of hair you have, no matter who you are, if you have something and you apply your love for it you can make it happen.
So just keep believing in yourself and I think the world is becoming a better and more inclusive place every day so maybe you're the person out there to make change in the world.
That's it for today. Thanks very much to Dance Theatre of Harlem and especially Derek Brockington and Lindsay Dunnell for exploring questions about ballet and dance.
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