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Welcome to Stuff You ShouldKnow, a production of iHeartRadio.
Hey and welcome to thepodcast.
I'm Josh and there's Chuck and Jerry's heretoo, and it's become clear to me that I used the slide whistle on the wrongepisode.
This is Stuff You ShouldKnow.
Oh, without gotten annoying toyou?
I think this slide whistle worked perfect and this isn't about slidewhistles.
No, it's about whistlewhistles, which means your mouth with your lipsperched.
That'sright.So, let's just out of the gate for the three people who don't know what whistlingis.
Whistling is the act of making a sound by forcing air through your mouth through a narrow passage typically with your lips perched and that is actually specific kind ofwhistling, as we'll see called puckerwhistling.
There's otherkinds, but that is by far the most common form ofwhistling.
And if you can move your tongue a littlebit, you can start to get pretty good atwhistling.
One other thing tostart, set everythingup.
There is no genetic basis for not being able towhistle.
It's just a lack ofpractice.
Do you whistle right out of thegate?
Let's hit me with thatinfo.
Youbet. I don't mean can youwhistle.
Yes, I find myself more going likethat.
I'm not trying to do asong.
I don't even know I'm doingit.
I realize I'm doing it as I'm doingit.
It's just something to occupy the space aroundme, Iguess.
Okay. What aboutyou,Chuck?
Do youwhistle?Chuck? Are you awhistler?
Yeah, Iwhistle. Sometimes I wonder if I annoy people bywhistling.
Well, you've never annoyed me bywhistling.
I can tell youthat. But back when in the early days ofhowstuffworks.com, when we worked in a big office with 50people, I used to wonder about stuff likethat.
Do I might whistling around theoffice?
Is that annoying topeople?
Remember the guy who walked around in a sockfeet?
Why did that bother me somuch?
Because he walked around in office with sockfeet, including thebathroom.
Yes, including thebathroom.
That's why I got here in all insocks.
I know that that's just objectivelywrong.
But the rest ofit, I never understood why it bothered me somuch.
You don't dothat. You don't dothat.
That'swhy. But you're also not supposed to whistle around the office toFYI.
Yeah. I think I literally kind of was like a probably shouldn't do that around here because that was the first office job I everhad.
I know for a fact I've noticed you whistling before but I can tell you it's never bothered meever.
I appreciateit. I'm a pretty good whistler so I like to whistle songs andthings.
You are a pretty goodwhistler.
I appreciatethat. So maybe I'll try a little bit out here andthere.
Jerry Whistlestoo. You just can't hearit.
She's whistling rightnow.
Way togo,Jerry. You'rechamp.
So you mentioned the puckerwhistle.
That's the most common whistle that most people walk arounddoing.
That'sthis. That'sright.
I'm going to try to demonstrate themollet.
You go through amaldemonstratum.
That soundsgreat. My good friendEddie, who you've metbefore, he does what's called the palatalwhistling.
That's likethis. That'sright.
Except it makes a whistlesound.
And that is when you put the tongue on the roofiermouth.
I can't doit. Eddie does it reallywell.
So it's always kind of fun and I'm abig, it's just a nostalgia of last for me when Eddie breaks out the palatalwhistle.
Can he spit like thattoo?
You know how you can do like a little thing of spit like really fast from your mouth by touching your palate with yourtongue?
Oh,leaking?Yes. Can you dothat?
I cangleeke, but I don't know if Eddiecan.
Well then I'll bet you could pal itwhistle.
Ican't. Allright. What'snext?
The old fingerwhistle.
It's likethis.Yeah, exceptagain,caveat, except it makes a whistlesound.
Okay. I've never been able to dothis.
There are differentmethods.
Number of fingers where you place them and stuff likethat.
The old taxiwhistle, that's a finger whistleusually.
I've always been jealous of people who could really bust outaloud.
Fingerwhistle. I could never doit.
Are you jealous of fingerwhistlers?
Imean, that's very low on thescale, butsure, a littlebit.
Okay. Allright. Imean, they're putting their fingers in theirmouths.
Yeah. It walking around New YorkCity.
Yeah. That's really loudthough.
But if you could just pal itwhistle, you can usually whistle as loud as a fingerwhistle.
No.No.No.Palitwist. It's not veryloud.
It's likethis.Right.Oh,no,no.
I think your thing gives two differentthings.
Are you thinking of a palette whistle as I could taxi call withoutfingers?
Yeah. It's the kind of where like your your lips kind of press back and your face a little bit and your teeth get exposed and your tongue goes up to the the roof of yourmouth.
I think we have a different version of palette whistlethen.
Maybe I could get Eddie Eddie to record his palettewhistle.
So I know what you're talking aboutthen.
I've seen video ofthat.
Yes. It'scome. It's almost like it comes from the back of the thethroat.
Yeah. Imean, I wish I could do it when I try to doit.
He does this just and nothing goes out atall.
Palitwistling except it makes asound.
And then there's throatwhistling, which is a very strange looking whistle because your mouth isopen.
You'renot, youknow, I've like a pucker perslip.
Oh, that's what I'm thinkingof.
I don't know what palito whistling is if it'snot.
You knowwhat?Oh, at the veryleast, I'll get Eddie to send me an audio thing that I'll textyou.
Okay. Can you text himnow?
Sure. I'lltalk. You just text for aminute.
For the throatwhistling, I would want torecommend.
Did you watch those videos I sent you by anychance?
I didn't chuckthem.Sorry.
Oh,man. That's allright.
You have tothough. You owe it toyourself.
Okay. Because they're just go to YouTube and type in RalphWhistler.
Guys, Iguess, G-I-E-S-E on Kelly and Company1984.
And just witness the beauty of thisguy, Ralph doing his throat whistling to Georgia on mymind, which got about a half a million 550,000 views then rightafterward.
Infact, you'll be prodiged to watch the nextvideo, which is best singerever, WhistlerRedub, which is somebody who re-redubbed him with his strange facial movements asactual,well, I don't even call itsinging, but other mouthnoises.
That has gotten two and a half millionviews.
Nice. And I watched it seven times a day and laughed just as hard every singletime.
It's sofunny.Man, they got a lot offun.
It'samazing.Okay. I'll definitely watchit.
Chuck, we can't actually say when Whistlingstarted.
Some people say that it actually was aproto-language, which I find just absolutelyfascinating.
Totally. We do know that well back into prehistory and the neolithicage, people were using maybe even Neanderthalstoo.
We're using bonewhistles, the grimest kind ofwhistle, which would indicate that we were already familiar withWhistles.
We probably had figured out how to whistle bythen.
There's a bioacoustician named JulianMeyer, who says the muscles ittakes, the amount of brain power it takes to whistle is so much less than it is to speak and to use words and create a vocabulary like that that it just makes sense that we would have evolved to whistle first at the very least to get somebody'sattention.
Right? And then once you have somebody'sattention, you want to express an idea that just inherentlyfollows.
It's almost inevitable that we whistle before we learn tospeak.
Yeah. There have been legitimate whistling languages discovered on everycontinent, on planetEarth.
And then once we move on to recordedhistory, we know for sure that Greeks and Romans and ancient Greece and Rome whistled because they whistle like to cheer from the audience like people still do inEurope.
At leastEurope, I'm sure they do that in othercountries, but we boo here in the UnitedStates, but in the UK andEurope, they whistle when they want to expressdispleasure.
Yeah, there was also so herodotus in his histories described a community in Ethiopia that lived in caves and spoke like bats and you know the termtroglidites.
These were the originaltroglidites.
And it's beentaken, herodotus has to be taken with the grain of salt because he himself was relying on probably a lot of unreliablesources.
He sounds like somebody who would have really bought the stuff that he read on Facebook and put a lot of stuff on Facebook if he reliedtoday.
Sure. But that doesn't mean that there was not like some kernel oftruth.
Andthis, the troglidites who spoke like bats has been taken to mean that they had a whistle basedlanguage.
Yeah, they were all over theplace.
People justtook,took, whistling at hisbuddies.
Hey, look at this mastodon overhere.
Let's take this thingdown.
He says that all in awhistle.
He'slike, andalso, have you heard the new mastodonalbum?
By theway, shout out tomastodon.
I was justthe, for the second yearrunning, the celebrityjudge, quote unquote celebrity judge in a chicken wing contest for the Kirkwood Springfling.
And one of the other judges wasBraun, the drummer ofmastodon.
Awesome. And he was a super cooldude.
Oh, I'msure. How could you not be if you're inmastodon?
Yeah, we sat there and they chicken wings together and very seriously reviewed them and ratedthem.
So I'm sure you'd take thatseriously.
I wouldtoo. I would be very disappointed if you just took that as like alark.
Yeah, 16 chickenwings.
Wow,lucky.Yeah,well, I didn't eat themall.
I, he housed like four of them and then most of the rest were just a bit ortwo.
Okay. Do you like smokedwings?
Like, youknow, the Fox Brothersilk?
Yeah, I have a love hate with smoke on anyfood.
Itcan, it'sokay. But same withmezcal, I like it in just little bits andblasts.
Yeah, I'm with you with the smoked wingsthough.
That's, that's kind of what I'm on rightnow.
I can eat a lot ofthose.Those, Imean,hey, the Fox Brothers wings aregreat.
Well, nothing compliments and is complemented by ranch more than a smokedwing.
Tome, it's even better than like a regular straight ahead buffalo wing as far as the ranch comboworks.
I don't need buffalo anymore atall.
Oh, what doyou, I'm a dry lemon pepperguy.
Oh, allright. Thesedays, I always associate that with sports betting and watching like sports on Sunday for somereason.
Well, I do a bit ofboth. Speakingof,dude, have youseen,sorry, all the people who are new here wego.
Yes, have you seen the roast of TomBrady?
Oh, I saw parts ofit, but there's no way I could sit through that inearnest.
It's sobad. Like the stand-up comedies and some of the podcasters did prettywell.
Mickey Glazer won the nighteasily,handily.
But when you finally get to Tom Brady'spart, itlike, like it'sunwatchable.
You justcan't, you can'tlook.
It'sso, it's sobad. He's like so going withthe, the joke of how he's the greatest that it becomes kind of painfully clear that he's actually being dead serious at thepoint.
He's not joking atall. It's reallytough.
I would actually recommend just watching like the first minute and a half of it and see if you can make it thatfar.
I don't know if Icould, but shout out to Mickey Glazer one time stuff you should know listener atleast.
Yeah, that onetime. Imean, I don't know if she still listen otherwords.
I know what youmean. You're justjoking.
Allright. Can we get back towhistling?
Yes. That's all myfault.
We can move past thehistory.
People get what's going onhere.
Well, we need to talk about when whistling was like a bigdeal,though, inhistory.
Yeah, that's what I was gettingto.
Okay. We're talkinginitially, youknow, that ancient history stuff waslike,hey, look overhere.
Hey, what should wedo?Hey, we'recommunicating.
But if you're talking about whistle-waiiwork, musicalwhistling, in otherwords, it's kind of tougher to trace that history because there'snothing, youknow, you there's no fossil that would indicateanything.
But LindaHamilton, who is a historian and loveswhistling, has definitely referenced whistlers in the1600s.
My bet is that it goes back even further because if people learn towhistle, I believe people are inherently musical than people are in my mind whistling for enjoyment andpleasure.
Pleasure.Yeah.Well, even in the CanterburyTales, Chaucer says the young squire spends his day singing andwhistling.
So Imean,yeah, that'syes.
Iagree. I think the first time somebody realized it couldwhistle, it immediately kicked off thehuman, Iguess, past time of whistling forpleasure.
Yeah,absolutely. Soyeah, they werelike,hey, overhere.
Hey, I like that alot. I'm just going to keepsaying,hey, over here a bunch oftimes.
That was the first time ithappened.
The first song written by a whistle wascalled,hey, overhere.
So there were actualsongs.
There were professionalwhistlers.
Late 19thcentury, Bogville makessense.
Like,Bogville, they had so many acts doing so many differentthings.
Ofcourse, they werewhistlers, but it caughton.
And then the first pretty much half of the 20thcentury, there were a lot of whistlingacts, whistlingperformers.
They have names like RonnieRenaldi, MuzzyMarcellino, just perfect names likethat.
And they were big enough that I think in1949, Ronnie Renaldi sold out radio city music hall for 10weeks.
And he was awhistler. Every night for 10weeks.
Yes.Yeah, not just likeonce.
And then 10 weekslater, Imean,like, every night for 10weeks.
Yes. That's a 6,000 capvenue.
He was awhistler.Oh,man.
Imean, that just so so big itwas.
It was usuallypeople, Imean, if you had a whistlingact, you were doing one or you were doing usually both of twothings, which is whistling songs andthings.
And then mimickingsongbirds.
Yeah. And that's still athing.
Iwatched, PuckerUp, the documentary onwhistling.
Did you seeit? Idid. It'sgreat.
And almost in the way that it starts outtoo, I waslike, this is indistinguishable from an episode of documentarynow.
Like the first halfhour.
It reallywas. Not tell itapart.
Yeah, except there was no Fred Armas and herfilter.
But I was just waiting for him to popup.
It was likethat. It's areally, really sweet charming documentary and all the people involved are prettygreat.
But one of the firstpeople, I think the first whistler they introduced you to a guy named JoeSiddano, he is doing bird impressions out in the woods and the birds are responding tohim.
It's really neat tosee.
Like,wow, this guy's communing with the birds right now out in thewoods.
Yeah. He's talking better watch what he say tobuddy.
Yeah, forsure. So it was going along prettywell.
Whistling,very, very big involvedbill.
Like yousaid, in a popularact, justperiod, so much so that there was an academy in1909, the Agnes Woodward California School of Artistic Whistling openedup.
And she had some pretty high profileclients, including JohnWayne.
I guess wanted to learn how to whistle reallywell.
PatBoone, BenCrosby. If you're in aWestern, you better know how towhistle.
That's my guess why John Wayne needed tolearn.
At least whistle for your horse at the veryleast.
Sure.Yeah, your horse loves to hear youwhistle.
That's a funnyjoke,though, in aWestern.
It's like the cowboy you can'twhistle.
It probably feels pretty bad abouthimself.
Probably. That reminds me of the singing horse in topsecret.
Yeah. That was justa, on an episode of Scott hasn'tseen, so that's preaching mymind.
Oh,okay.Good. So you remember the singinghorse.
I rememberthat. And it just made me remember of how funny that movieis.
Itis.Yeah. So I think you were kind of getting to this point where all of a sudden almostovernight, every whistling act just wentaway.
The worlds that we're done with whistling stopwhistling.
And veryinterestingly, whistling is like not just a musicalact, but just kind of as apastime, something that people just generally did went away at the same timetoo.
And I saw that it was chalked up by some people to the advent of the transistorradio.
And then eventually the the Walkman and theiPod.
I think it was somebody on Pucker Up kind of made thiscase.
And it really makes sense because one of the reasons people would whistle before is because you're just keeping yourselfoccupied.
You're keeping yourselfentertained.
You're creating music for yourself toenjoy.
And that need for that went away when we were able to carry around things that could do that forus, starting with the transistorradio.
Yeah, forsure. It also had a bad reputation even in certaininstances.
In the 1800s in theUK, there were stores that banned whistling because it was used as a sort oflanguage,basically, between pick pockets and thieves to warn eachother.
It is still sort of a tropey shorthand for someone that's up to nogood.
Usually somebody trying to play it off as if they arecarefree.
If you were doing asketch, a comedy sketch about a shoplifter every time the shop owner looks over at theshoplifter, they would probably look up at the sky and that wouldkill.
Absolutely. And it's just become sort of a trope is ashorthand.
Again, just another sort of weird use forwhistling.
So it's just like rollerskating.
You remember how roller skating was huge in the late 70s and all of a sudden just overnight it wentaway.
But like black culture waslike,nope, we're still roller skating and roller skating continued to be athing.
That kind of happened withwhistling.
The world was like we're done withwhistling.
But as sub-side of people werelike,no, we're going to keep whistling and kept the dream alive of whistling over theyears.
And I say we take a break and we come back and talk about a few contemporarywhistlers.
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Okay,Chuck, so we're talking about people who whistletoday, sometimes for aliving.
There was an artist in the 90s named MargeCarlson, who whistle a lot of saccharine Christian songs and was known as America'sSweetheart, a birdsong.
She was quite a goodwhistler.
But she hadalbums, like she released albums where rather thansinging, it was allinstrumental, and one of the instruments was herwhistling.
Yeah, and that's still athing.
I'm sure you've looked at thesevideos,Josh, but thereis...
it big things toAnna, by theway, who put this together forus.
Verycool, robustarticle.
But she found MollyLewis, who is a contemporary professionalwhistler, just a wonderfulwhistler, releasingthat...
she has an EP called The ForgottenEdge.
She performs live inconcert.
There's a very fun YouTube with Molly on one of those Sunday morningshows.
It was CBS SundayMorning.
It wasgood, good littlesegment.
Yeah, it's very good littlesegment, like yousaid.
And she'sjust... Molly just seemsterrific.
It's very enthusiastic aboutwhistling.
Yes, she's awhistler. But at the sametime, she's bewildered that she's actually making a career out ofwhistling.
Like she's able to dothat.
Yeah, she's kind of laughing aboutit, not in a put-downway.
You just kind oflike, I'm good at this weirdthing, and it's just kind ofcrazy.
Yeah. She's got somecontemporaries,too.
A lotof... I think actually Mollycompeted,too.
A lot of the people who you would have heard of aswhistlers, at leastnow.
If you really dig intowhistling, you'll end up hearing aboutthem.
Like ChrisOlman,Yurt...
sorry, HirtChattro, who's just an amazingperson,apparently.
They competed in the international whistlingfinals.
