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Good morning. This is Laura.
Welcome to the Before Breakfast podcast.
Today's episode is going to be a longer one, part of the series where I interview fascinating people about how they take their days from great to awesome and any advice they might have for the rest of us.
So today's episode is going to be something a little new.
I'm delighted to bring you my guest whose name is Hailey.
She is a long time Before Breakfast listener who lives in Texas, works for a tech company.
She was listening to the new interview format and asked if I had considered doing any listener time makeovers as part of an episode.
And I said, well, I'd love to.
Was Hailey interested in volunteering?
She was. So here she is.
Hailey, welcome to the show.
Thanks, Laura. It's great to be here.
So Hailey, could you just quickly introduce yourself to our listeners, anything you'd like to share about yourself?
Yeah, definitely. So I'm Hailey.
I work full time as a program manager in a tech company based in Austin, and I have a husband, no pets and no kids.
Excellent. And how long have you been listening to Before Breakfast?
Gosh, I think since the beginning, I've been such a big fan.
The small episodes are great little tidbits for getting ready or whatnot.
And the longer episodes have been great to listen to as well.
That's awesome. I'm excited to hear that.
Have you ever tried any of the tips that you've gotten from Before Breakfast?
Definitely. Yeah, quite a few.
Definitely one is bashing the little things.
I do that all the time in my work life and personal life.
And then also the one you did on making kits to be prepared.
I have that in the car, pool bag, all that stuff.
That's good. I can't say that I have necessarily made as many kits as I probably should have.
But, you know, one of these days I will maybe take my own advice.
So, Haley, when we conversed the first time a few weeks ago, I told you that when I have people do time makeovers, I always have them keep track of their time for a week.
Longtime listeners know that I definitely suggest people track their time just to see where the time really goes.
So can you talk a little bit about the experience of tracking your time and what you did as you were keeping track of your time and how it worked and whether, you know, what your experience was with that?
Yeah, it was a great experience.
So just kind of for ease, I ended up printing out like an Excel sheet that had the different time boxes on it every 30 minutes.
And I was able to just scribble in, you know, every once in a while.
What I had done since the last time I checked in, I ended up then transposing that into an Excel file, just so I could get some more data and do some additions, all that type of stuff.
But it was a great experience.
It definitely held me accountable to what I was doing during the day.
And it was really fun to look back and see, you know, I have a pretty busy work schedule, but there's also a lot of hours outside of that.
So really neat to see where I was spending my time before we even talked about it.
Yeah. Was it challenging to remember to keep track of your time?
I wonder if you had any sort of ways to keep yourself sticking with it for the whole week.
Yeah. I mean, just like we carry our phones around, I just carried around just a folded piece of paper with the boxes.
So I was able to just record it.
You know, if I was doing an activity for a while, I just left it aside and then came back.
So it was pretty easy to remember generally what I had done.
Also on the work side, I ended up tracking the difference between my actual work time versus my meeting time, which was super interesting to see how much time I was really spending in meetings during the week.
How much time were you spending?
I'm curious. I think quite a bit of my days are focused on meetings.
I'd say maybe half of each day at least.
So I'm really diligent about the times where I'm not in meetings.
They can try and get my stuff done, but that was neat to see across the span of a week.
You know, if I have a late work meeting or something like that, but there are still days where I get a lot of time to myself.
Interesting. And was it more challenging to keep track of the time sort of outside of work?
I know a lot of people struggle on the weekends, just because time is a little bit more amorphous then.
That's a good point.
Yeah. I guess if I was out and about, I certainly didn't check in as much as I did during the week.
But I also have my calendar on my phone.
So that was also helpful to prompt me to remember, you know, what we did.
Excellent. So what did, as you were tracking your time, I mean, what did you like most about your schedule as you were looking back over it and say like, Hey, this is really working.
I mean, what were those things?
Yeah, I think definitely in the mornings, kind of how I spent my morning time, I definitely am looking for ways to optimize that.
But I think I have a pretty good routine when it comes to how I spend my pre work hours, definitely after work.
So my post work hours, sometimes that's different.
I'm trying to pack a lot into that time.
And so that was interesting to tracking to see exactly what I was doing, where I had more full days versus not.
Could you talk a little bit about your morning routine?
I mean, what generally are you doing in your mornings?
When do they start and when do you start work?
And maybe you can talk us through one of them.
Yeah, definitely. So I get up fairly early around six, sometimes I try to get up a bit earlier, but mostly it's around the six to six 30 range.
And I definitely prioritize working out, having a cup of coffee.
And I think that was one of the biggest learnings from this experience is, you know, there's so many, there's a lot of content out there about morning routines, 5 a .m.
miracle morning, all of that.
And it was a good learning to me that I don't necessarily need to be getting up that early if I'm getting in what I want to get on, which for me is not a, you know, 15 step list.
It's working out and having a cup of coffee, you know, getting ready before work.
So, uh, normally I try to start my, my morning's pretty consistently get up, get that workout in to get energy, have my cup of coffee, get ready.
I normally start work around 8 a .m.
And then have lots of meetings, work time, all of that.
And then normally in my day around five, sometimes a little bit after if I have other meetings.
Yeah. So when Haley and I first talked, I mean, she mentioned possibly revamping her morning routine and getting up a little bit earlier.
So she had more time before work, but we talked about it and said, well yeah, I mean, the only reason to have a longer morning routine is if you are not able to fit those things into other parts of the day.
I mean, there's upsides obviously to working out first thing in the morning and that a lot of people find they have more energy then, or there's, you know, fewer things that get in the way.
You know, there's fewer work emergencies perhaps at 6 30 a .m.
versus 6 30 p .m. that you're going to be dealing with.
But, uh, you know, he said there's no point in making a more elaborate morning routine, just to do so.
Right. If you don't need to get up earlier to fit these things in your life, you don't have to.
I mean, was, was that enough to change your mind?
Definitely. Yeah. I think it takes the pressure off as needing to wake up super early just to pack, you know, pack things into the schedule.
I think it's great to wake up when you need to and not have so much of a hectic morning when you can.
Well, and still two hours between when you get up and when you start work is not a short amount of time.
I mean, that is a, especially since we were working out pretty regularly.
That's a pretty substantial morning routine already there.
Yeah. Well, we're going to take one quick ad break and then we're going to be coming back, talking a little bit more about the things that Haley did decide to change in her schedule.
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Well, I am back. I am interviewing the for breakfast listener, Haley who lives in Texas works for a tech company, as part of one of our longer episodes of before breakfast, Haley agreed to do a time makeover.
So she kept track of her time for a week.
She thought about what she liked and then she thought about what she might want to change.
So the weekend that you tracked, you had a pretty good active weekend.
Um, but you said that wasn't necessarily always the way things happen.
I wonder if you could talk a little bit about that.
Definitely. I think a lot of that ties into, I do really like planning, um, but I wasn't necessarily planning my weekends as much as I would have liked.
And I think that the, in the time log having that busy weekend and coming out from that and knowing, you know, going into my week, that was kind of an exciting weekend.
It set the stage. I didn't have the Sunday scaries, definitely a learning for me that, you know, even if I'm not necessarily motivated to planning a weekend, being intentional about it is super important and really sets you up for success.
So definitely a learning from that.
And certainly something I learned from you, Laura is really focusing in on that double plan, right?
So, Yeah. Why don't you talk about what the double planning means?
And there may be some before breakfast listeners who haven't heard that episode.
Definitely. If you haven't done it before, it's certainly magical.
So what you do is, you know, planning on Fridays, very normal, very standard.
And during that Friday plan, you're firming up your plans for the upcoming weekend and you're planning the rest of that week to come, but you're also doing a plan for that following weekend.
And what's great about that is, you know, on Friday, you can make some decisions for a future you.
And then when you come to that next Friday, you've already thought through that next weekend.
So it's really neat.
So instead of, you know, coming to it, coming to the planning and it's all blank and you don't know what to do, you already have a starting point.
Yeah. And the double planning is because, you know, if you plan on Fridays, that gives you an opportunity to look at the weekend twice cause you're looking at the one that's coming up in eight to nine days.
And you're also looking at the one that's coming up right then.
So I always think of this as having a sort of vague rough plan for the one, eight to nine days in the future.
And then a more solid one for the one that's right coming up.
Exactly. Yep. So when did you try doing that over the past few weeks?
Has, has that been something that's you know, been helpful for you?
Yes, definitely. It's now fully into my routine.
I don't think I could live without it now, but it's, it's great to really see that full view of your week also have the weekends and be confident that you're going into the weekends with something fun, things to look forward to.
So what's something that you have put into your weekend that you've been looking forward to?
Yeah. One thing that I focused on is this idea of having something fun on Sunday evening.
Um, so I know a lot of us make it Sunday scurries or at least kind of not wanting to go into the week just yet, but trying to extend that Sunday time by doing something memorable and kind of outside of the norm.
So not just, you know, sitting on the couch watching something or, you know, scrolling on your phone.
So instead on Sundays, what we've done is, um, a Sunday game night.
So my husband and I will play cards or play a board game or go outside on a walk, just something to kind of end the weekend on a high note.
That sounds really fun.
And then if you know what it is kind of ahead of time, you can look forward to it, right?
Exactly. Yep. And plan some fun time, some things around it, mocktails and fun food and stuff like that.
Yeah. Cause certainly, I mean, one of the things that gives people the Sunday scurries is that you're starting to think of Monday by mid -afternoon Sunday, uh, that, you know, cause that's the only thing that is there in the future of your schedule.
But if you have something fun on Sunday night, then you spend your time on Sunday afternoon looking forward to your fun on Sunday night.
And so it makes it, uh, just kind of changes the mental picture of what the weekend, uh, looks like.
Did you guys wind up doing anything with your, your Friday nights?
I think you had mentioned that this was a potential, you know, date night for you guys as well.
Yes. Kind of something to book in the weekend and really kick off the weekend itself.
And so really just being more mindful on that afternoon that evening as well.
So most of it is just kind of nothing fancy, but going for a walk, something to kind of mark the end of Friday, maybe going out for a drink or something.
But that's been great too to, to kind of go into the weekend and close out the week.
Yeah. I'm a big fan of really enjoying the weekends and having things that you're looking forward to when you're planning, because, you know, planning isn't just about planning and the things we have to do.
It's also about planning in the things that we want to do now, of course, not everything I suggest, uh, works for people.
So tell me a little bit about your, the questions you'd had about housework and, and where that fits into your life and your schedule.
Yes. So I know that housework is just a point of contention for a lot of people.
Certainly me too. It has to be done necessary evil.
I had experimented with moving housework to a chunk of time, an hour on Sundays, thinking that maybe that would help me throughout the week because I would get it out of the way.
But when I experimented with it, I realized I immediately didn't like it.
It just, you know, I really didn't want to do housework on the weekends.
That's for relaxing.
And ultimately landed back to my normal cadence of just fitting it in during the week.
So that was definitely a big learning that experimenting is good, but don't change something if it's working for you.
Yeah. I mean, so the idea had been, I mean, one of the bits of advice I often give people about concentrating housework in one chunk of time is so that it isn't always an option, through your whole schedule.
But partly, I think this is, often I'm giving this advice to people with say, other household members who create lots of messes that you didn't create, right?
So if your house stays clean, once you clean it, then it's not always an option to be getting up and putting things away.
So, you know, it might work a little better for doing it in bits and pieces versus, versus concentrating it at one point.
But, you know, if anyone's listening to this and saying like, well, I feel like I spend my life cleaning my house, you know, you could try this too.
Right? Is that create a block of time on the weekend for doing the housework or maybe one weeknight if you have time then and then not have it be an option as much the rest of the time.
But, you know, it, some people it works, some people it doesn't.
So, I mean, what does it tend to look like?
You just start doing a little bit each night or how does it wind up looking?
Yeah, here and there.
So I, I have a checklist just to make sure I cover kind of the bare minimum cleaning tasks I'd like to during the week.
And if I have a moment while dinner's cooking, let's say, or, you know, I have a bit of a lull between activities or things I'm doing, I'll just quickly get that done.
I, I think it's helpful too because sometimes there's time pressure.
So it, it helps get me through the task quickly, but I still get it done.
So yeah. Yeah. A lot of tasks will expand to fill the available space.
You know, housework's definitely one of them.
Email is probably one of them as well.
So limiting things like that is, is definitely good.
Well, I'm going to take one more quick ad break and then we'll be back with a little bit more from Hailey about what she saw with her time.
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Well, I am back interviewing Haley, who is a before breakfast listener who tracked her time and tried a few different strategies for changing things up here and there.
So Haley when you looked at your weekday evenings, this was, this was an area that you thought maybe we could tweak a little bit.
I wonder if you could talk a little bit about what weekday evenings in general tended to look like.
Definitely. So yeah, my weekday evenings were still pretty busy and almost kind of monotonous, right?
You get out of the work day, you've had a long day.
You're kind of just rolling into the normal routine of dinner and you know, cleaning the house, maybe in going to bed.
So I wanted to make my weekday evenings more special.
And so I was experimenting with this concept of having a day for me where I intentionally plan something that I'd like to do.
And so I picked Tuesdays.
I thought that would be a nice kind of treat, I guess in the middle of the work week to have some special time just for me.
And shout out to my twin sister Hannah on this too, because we did this activity together to hold ourselves accountable.
So I had brainstormed what are ideas I think would be relaxing for me.
It's something I could look forward to.
So definitely on the active side, I love golfing.
I know that seasonal, but going to the driving range and hitting some balls is definitely something I love.
So that occurred sometimes on Tuesdays.
I also had some other ideas too if I needed to stay closer to home or didn't have as much time.
So I've gotten into coloring in a coloring book.
So that's been great to have kind of an artistic outlet, crocheting as well, right?
Something to do with my hands so I can turn my brain off a little bit.
So those have all been great.
I'm adding to the list.
I know sometimes, you know, when you're an adult, hobbies can be hard to find.
So I'm still on the journey there to add more fun to that fun list.
But yeah, the Tuesdays have been really great to look forward to.
Yeah. And I'm curious, do you think you'll try to come up with something you want to do every Tuesday or do you think you'll continue with this experimenting with different things on Tuesday night?
I might do a little of both.
I definitely see the value in doing something, the same thing that you can look forward to.
I might also try like workout classes outside of the house.
I normally work out, you know, just, just in my living room, but, um, you know, going to a workout class and or meeting people, uh, meeting friends to go do something and doing that on a routine, I think would really be great too.
Yeah. No, I, I'll often suggest that people take one night, uh, during the week to do something that is not work.
It's not housework.
It's not caring for family members.
Um, but something that you find intrinsically enjoyable.
And by making it the same night every week, you don't have to sort of negotiate it every time.
You don't have to think, is this the night?
Is this not the night?
Do I have other things going on?
Um, you sort of just block this out and know you always have something to look forward to.
Um, and, and Tuesday worked well with your schedule, right?
Haley, cause some other nights you were more likely to have like later work commitments, but that was one that generally didn't have something.
Exactly. Yep. Awesome.
Well, I wonder if you think, I mean, do you think you will try tracking your time again in the future?
I mean, was this something that was useful or, uh, you know, do you think it's, you now have a pretty good impression of life or I'm curious where you'll go from here?
Yeah, definitely. I love doing the time log.
It really holds me accountable.
It's really great to see those learnings and even from a perspective of moving through different seasons of life, right?
You have that log of what you did almost like a capturing memories.
So I think I'll definitely do that periodically just to see what I'm doing with my time, where I need to change, pivot, that type of thing.
Awesome. Um, so Haley, we always ask people if there is something you've done recently to take a day from great to awesome, that's kind of the tagline of the show.
Um, but I'm curious anything you've done recently that has, uh, been particularly great for you.
Yeah. I, um, I started having different flavored sparkling waters in my fridge and it's kind of a nice treat during the workday or after the workday, something that's not just plain water and it makes it makes each day a little bit more fun.
So I've really been enjoying that.
Oh, that's really great.
That's good. Um, and, and since this is a productivity show, I guess I'll put you on the spot here.
Do you have any productivity tips that like during the workday that you use that have been helpful for you?
Yes, actually I've realized I'm a pretty fast taper, but when a lot of information is coming at me or I need to think of things quickly, I'm also fast when I'm writing things down.
So I have a notebook right beside my computer and it normally has tasks that I need to do.
Um, and it crossed them off right to get that satisfaction.
But I also use it to kind of brain dump during the workday.
So that's been great to kind of have this blend of the technology side, but also have the simple paper notebook.
Awesome. Yeah. I'm a big fan of paper in general.
I love to create a to -do list on paper and then cross things off, right?
You get that little dopamine hit.
It sounds like you do that as well.
Exactly. Yep. I love it.
Awesome. All right.
Well, Haley, thank you so much for joining us, talking about, you know, how you spend your time and various tweaks you tried and to all the people who are listening to this.
Thank you so much for listening.
If you have feedback for me on this episode or any other episode, let me know you can reach me at Laura, at LauraVanderKam .com.
I will probably do some more listener time makeovers in the future.
So if this sounded appealing to you, you can reach out to me and we will set up a time to talk.
Uh, and in the meantime, this is Laura.
Thanks for listening.
And here's to making the most of our time.
Thanks for listening to Before Breakfast.
If you've got questions, ideas, or feedback, you can reach me at Laura, at LauraVanderKam .com.
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