Hey weirdos, I'm Alayna.
I'm Ash.
And this is Morbin.
Whoa.
I was so confused because behind you, oh, I have a confession.
Hold on.
So there's like a thing behind Elena.
It's Sister Imperator, right?
Yeah.
I thought that was Sabrina, the teenage witch.
I love that.
For a minute.
Yeah.
And I saw that there was like a candle like in the reflection of that.
So I thought there was a candle behind your head and I got scared for you.
Wow.
But it's simply a reflection.
It's simply a reflection.
And I discovered so much in that moment.
You did.
You really had a lot of discoveries.
Yeah, I did.
Yeah, it's the comic book.
Yeah, that's cool.
She looks like Sabrina, sort of.
A little bit.
I'm also, like, I'm not a good, I don't have good sight.
No, it's true.
I almost said I'm not a good sightseer.
You're not a good sightseer.
I'm really tired.
I haven't slept very, well, actually, no, I think I slept too good last night.
I did not.
We've talked about it.
No, I did not sleep well last night because Sydney, one of my dogs...
Who just really loves a violent booty wiggle.
She's so happy.
She's so happy all the time.
So her booty is just constantly wiggling to a point where she like creates gravitational pull.
Truly.
And I think she did create gravitational pull because she sprained her tail.
She sprained her tail just for being so happy.
It's called swimmer's tail.
That's like spraining your face from smiling, or like spraining your wrist because you're like waving at people all the time.
I guess it happens to labs a lot, because they just love being excited and waggling their tails so they can sprain their tail.
Stop.
So she sprained her tail and she's gonna be fine.
I love that we she, we brought her to the vet and everything, but she scared us last night.
I don't love that she sprained her tail.
I just love how happy, how happy she is, that like she sprained it, doing something she loves, which is a real big booty shake, a big old booty shake shake.
But it was so scary because we were going to sleep and all of a sudden she just popped up.
I don't know.
She must have sat on it in a strange way.
That's where it like came.
But she jumped up squealing and we were like panicking.
We're like, what is happening?
I was like, is she having like a, could she have appendicitis?
Like what is going on?
Is there like things that can rupture your hair?
John like rushed her to the emergency vet and it was that.
So they were able to like calm it down, like the pain.
So she was, because she was, when she got up, she was rushing around, but like with her butt down.
Like didn't know where to go.
Like tail tucked and screeching.
Oh, like and it was literally 1230 in the morning, like at night in the morning.
It's because our animals are retrograde.
They are in retrograde.
I said to Alina so my fucking adventure this probably like earlier this weekend was I woke up to Remy screaming and I was like what the fuck?
And he opened up this like thing that he had on his chin.
And I thought one of the other cats had just hit him.
And that's what that was.
So I was like, fuck, we got to bring him in.
Like he keeps opening this like little like scab on his chin.
Yeah.
Have you guys heard that there's a fucking thing called feline acne?
I did not know that existed has feline acne.
So then he has to like wear a cone.
It's like this whole crazy thing.
And then this is a thing that's never happened to us before.
When one goes to the vet, sometimes the others can like think that they smell weird, and I didn't know this.
Yeah, it's like a cat thing.
They don't recognize that that cat is like part of their family when they come back.
So Franklin and Lux have just been like bullying the shit out of poor Remy, who's just like in a cone and smells bad.
So sad.
Poor Remy.
It's so sad.
So we have one animal with feline acne and one who's just so happy she broke her butt.
Just so happy.
Just the animals, man.
One is going through puberty.
Yeah.
The other one is just shaking her ass so hard that she breaks it.
When they said feline acne to us.
That's the kind of shit that they're like yeah, feline acne 800, please.
Yeah.
And you're just like, thanks.
Okay.
Appreciate that.
Sounds good.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Awesome.
Animals man animals be crazy.
I had a really nice moment last night with dolo and franklin.
They were both late, did you see?
I posted it on instagram.
Oh yeah, it was so beautiful.
You said breaking news moments after i posted that she literally just turned her head back slowly like she was stretching.
Franklin whammed her in the face and ran away.
I was like you're making a liar out of me.
She didn't even do anything.
I love that.
Yeah.
So that's animals.
That's animals.
That's our animals in retrograde.
That's our animals retrograding.
I have a haunting for us today because we've been talking about some crazy shit lately.
We've done some moitas.
We've done some listener tales.
We've done some dark spooky shit.
Some dark spooky shit.
And I miss the spooky season.
Yeah.
And I had a leftover from it.
Gotta sprinkle it in every once in a while.
I said, let's go.
We're going to talk about the Stallings family haunting today.
So nancy stallings got divorced in early 1964 and it seemed like her entire world had ended.
Of course, at the time divorce was still a very taboo subject for a lot of americans, and after years of marriage and three kids she was like how am i just gonna start over with someone else?
That's rough.
That's rough.
But when the initial strangeness of being single wore off after about a, Nancy could finally see herself getting back out there.
She's going to get her groove back.
Yeah, she wants to meet somebody new.
She didn't really know who she was going to be interested in, because you know, she's got a new lease on life.
She's got to get the partner that fits, but she's ready to go out and mingle.
So in December of that year she signed up for a lecture being put on by the local chapter of Parents Without Partners, which is just the saddest club ever.
That is the saddest club.
Parents without partners.
Oh, I want them all to find partners.
That's kind of what they go for.
Yeah.
So she was fairly new to the group, but Nancy was surprised by how many older men there were.
And especially compared to the number of women who were around her age, which was like probably like late 20s or 30s.
She wasn't opposed to socializing with older men.
But yeah, she was in her early 20s.
So none of them seemed like they were going to be potential new romantic partners.
She wasn't looking for an older guy.
So she chatted briefly with one of the men in the group and she finally got the courage up to ask him aren't there any young people here?
And the man, Frank, laughed.
He was like, yeah, there's a lot of older people here, huh?
But he took her over to meet a man named Ron Stallings.
He said, he's a nice young man.
Let me introduce you.
So Nancy was like really nervous all of a sudden, but Ron turned out to be a very polite man and they had a ton in common.
He was also recently divorced.
He also had three young kids from his last marriage.
Look at that.
Yeah, they were just hitting it off.
Yeah.
After a brief conversation, Ron said, I'd love to call you sometime.
And Nancy was like, hell yeah, brother.
I'd love to get called sometime.
Hell yeah, brother.
But she had just had a new phone put in and she couldn't remember the number.
And she was like, I really mean that.
Like, it's not an excuse.
I do want to talk to you.
I just can't remember my phone number.
She's like, no, legit.
So they went their separate ways and they hoped they'd run into each other again soon.
It's literally like the beginning of a rom-com.
It really is.
I love it.
As luck would have it, just like in the rom-coms, they did run into each other again.
I was worried.
It was at the next parents without partners meeting, of course, and at that point nancy had made a point, or at by that time nancy made a point of writing down her phone number before she went to the meeting because she was hoping he would be there.
Oh, i love that.
So he was.
They exchanged numbers and ron ended up calling her a few days later to go on a date, and soon enough they were exclusively dating.
They were seeing each other multiple times a week, ron proposed Now.
It wasn't long after their wedding that Nancy started having this really strange, vivid dream that she would repeatedly have over the course of like the next several years.
In the dream she and Ron had just bought a really big old house in the country.
The house in her dream seemed to be like 100 years old at least.
It was new to them, but it was old.
And somehow to Nancy, it felt very familiar.
Like whenever she was in the dream, she knew where she was going in this house.
Oh, I kind of love that.
Yeah, well, you're not going to for a while.
Oh, no.
So...
She thought.
Mm-hmm.
So, without warning.
In the dream, the argument that she was witnessing got explosive and one of the men struck the other.
And so the person getting hit looked like Ron.
And he was hit in the head with an axe or a hatchet and was killed instantly.
What the fuck?
Yeah, I told you you weren't going to like it for that long.
Damn.
Nancy said.
At that point everything became confused, quote unquote, and she suddenly was standing in the backyard of the house, surrounded by fruit trees.
And the ghosts of the two men were standing in the kitchen looking out at her through the window.
And she said they were laughing at us because they had scared us and caused us so much trouble.
Oh, isn't that like the scariest dream?
This is the spookiest dream.
She couldn't say for sure, but she felt like the ghosts in the house seemed to take a lot of pleasure.
And the fact that they scared the shit out of her like so badly, and then before she knew it she was awake again, that's frightening.
Yeah, i would hate that dream.
I would hate that.
And it's so vivid.
It's so vivid and it's recurring for years.
That's the thing.
It keeps coming.
That's the thing.
So at that time she didn't know what to make of the dream.
That was like the first time she had it.
She wasn't superstitious and she figured it was probably just the stress from like wedding planning.
The actual wedding happened merging families, house hunting, like just life.
But she still couldn't shake the feeling that the dream was some kind of like premonition.
So she decided right then and there that they were house hunting.
So she was like, I'm not looking at any mansions in the country.
Like, whoa, we'll scratch those off the list.
Yeah.
So it was August 1965 by the time they finally like, seriously started looking at houses with a realtor.
Nancy was going to be responsible for the care of six children from the ages two to seven.
Whoa.
And it was on Ron to bring in the income.
So that seriously limited their options.
Nancy said.
So they agreed that they would probably need to find a house that was like in need of repairs, because they need a bigger house but they don't have this crazy big budget.
And Ron was fairly handy around the house.
And Nancy was like, I'm a decent decorator.
So a fixer upper was fine for them.
It was like an exciting challenge, not a headache.
Yeah.
Even though they were willing to lower their standards.
Their budget was 8000, which is like not a lot of money at all.
It's a lot of money today.
It's $82,000.
But for a house.
For a house, that's nothing.
So it wasn't going to go a long way in finding a house that would accommodate eight people.
Because remember, they have like a shit ton of kids too.
I know, that's the thing.
Nancy said, this is so mean.
She said, several realtors actually laughed at us when we mentioned our budget.
Some even refused to help us look, claiming that there was nothing on the market for that low of a price.
Oh, that makes me sad.
I know.
It's a good challenge.
That's the thing.
Take it on.
And Nancy did.
Despite the discouraging reaction from realtors, she said, fuck y'all, I got this.
Fuck y'all.
And even when their realtor and Ron himself abandoned the search just out of frustration because they couldn't find anything, she carried on.
She kept looking.
And by the end of the month, she found something that matched their criteria.
I can't believe she found something.
I know.
You'll be able to believe it by the end.
The ad in the classifieds listed the house as a handyman special.
She's like, oof.
That's, that's, I wouldn't, it can be a red flag.
It's definitely a...
It's telling you what it is up front.
A yellow to orange flag, I would say.
Yeah.
Yeah.
It was a big two-story cottage in Baltimore's Hamilton neighborhood which was like an area of older homes on a quiet, tree-lined street.
Like very nice, quiet vibes.
Yeah.
Good neighborhood.
When they pulled up out front, Ron and Nancy weren't exactly impressed though.
The house was big, but it was also badly in need of repair.
You could tell that much literally just from the sidewalk.
Yeah.
But at the same time it did seem to check all of the boxes that they had and several kind of like bonus things that Nancy hadn't had on her list, like hardwood floors, stained glass windows, just like nice little bonus things like that.
And it was in their price range.
So when they walked into the house, though, Nancy said she had a feeling of heaviness.
She said, I think you knew.
Yeah, I think so too.
So according to her son, who was managing the sale, the previous owner lived in the house for like decades.
Like she had lived there forever.
But she wasn't able to keep up with the maintenance and you know just everything that comes with owning a home in her later years.
So the house had fallen into disrepair into its previous or into its present state.
Yeah.
One afternoon, a few months earlier, the gardener arrived to the house and when nobody answered the door, he looked in the windows and he saw that elderly woman sprawled out on the floor.
And that was when her family was like, yeah, like she can't live in this big house alone anymore.
So he said that's why they put it on the market for such a surprisingly low price, that they just needed the money to cover medical bills after she was hospitalized and getting her a new place, like that kind of thing.
But a few years later, when asked about the incident, the elderly homeowner ended up telling Ron and Nancy that she felt as if she had been pushed to the floor and that she laid there for three days, unable to move, until the gardener found her.
This elderly lady was pushed to the floor?
She felt like she was pushed to the floor but she was home alone.
Oh, I don't like these ghosts.
That's mean.
So obviously Ron and Nancy didn't find that out until like much later.
But even before they moved into the house, their new family life together was getting off to a very strange, very ominous start.
This would send me.
On the day of the signing, after everything had been signed and it was now like legally official and they were walking out, the owner's son, like the previous owner's son, caught up with Ron and Nancy in the parking lot.
He shook their hands and, you know, thanked them for buying the house.
And then he kind of like looked them over and said I want to wish you people a lot of luck and I hope you're good fighters.
You got to turn around and you got to say, nope.
Actually, could you shred those recently signed documents?
I'm actually not... I hope you're good fighters.
I hope you're good fighters.
Never enter something that somebody says that.
Why did you choose to say that to me after I already put my John Hancock on that pic?
What the fuck?
On that document.
That's exactly why.
Yeah.
So they were like, uh, what?
I hate that a lot.
That's terrifying.
They were like...
But he just walked away after that.
So they're left to wonder what the fuck that meant.
So they wondered maybe if they were walking into like a bad neighbor situation, like if they were going to have an annoying neighbor, or if the neighborhood in general was going to be an issue.
Yeah.
You don't know what the fuck that meant.
But he just turned around and walked back to his car.
So they were just like staring confused at each other, left to wonder what the fuck that meant.
Yeah.
So a few weeks later, as they packed all their belongings into the moving truck, the comment about being good fighters had completely left their mind.
For me, that would have stayed in my mind every day for the rest of my life.
Yep.
Same.
They were just excited to be moving into their new house, though.
They had been looking for a while.
So when they got there and they saw the house for the first time, Ron and Nancy's kids could barely contain their excitement.
It was this big house.
They were all going to have their own room.
Like, they were excited.
Yeah.
So once they got through the door, they all split up and just, like, looked for a bedroom.
As they were unpacking the truck and loading boxes into the house, Nancy noticed that at the houses up and down the streets all the neighbors seemed to be sitting out on their front porches like sitting in chairs, angled toward their house, watching them move in.
Yeah.
The red flags are piling up here.
Yeah.
But again, there's nothing they can do.
You already signed the papers.
Yeah.
And you don't have a ton of money.
It was already tough to find this house as is.
You just get to deal with all this creepiness.
Yeah.
But in that instant, she flashed back to what that previous owner's son had said.
She was like...
Did we make a huge mistake here?
What have we done?
So a few days later she was upstairs unpacking boxes in one of the kids' rooms and she decided to open the windows to air the room out.
And she said, although the house had been aired out and cleaned, it still had that strange feeling.
But when she tried to lift the window, it just literally would not move.
At first she was like, oh, maybe it was like painted shut.
But then she noticed that it had been nailed shut with giant construction nails.
What the fuck?
The window had been nailed shut.
For why?
In fact, that was not the only window that was nailed shut.
She went on to discover that all of the windows on the second floor had been nailed shut in exactly the same way.
I don't like that.
So, between the strange feeling and the windows being fucking nailed shut, Ron and Nancy decided to move the kids' bedrooms to three large rooms on the first floor.
They were like, you know what?
Sorry, you don't get your own bedrooms anymore because shit's weird upstairs.
Sometime later a neighbor came by to introduce herself and Nancy was like hey, do you know anything about the lady that lived here before and why she might have nailed all the upstairs windows shut?
Any idea, hey girl, any insight?
I was just wondering.
So the woman just laughed and she said oh, that crazy old lady who lived here.
She thought someone was getting in, moving her stuff and taking her stuff and she had her son nail those windows shut.
So she thought that somebody was like breaking in and moving all her stuff around.
So she nailed the windows shut?
Yeah.
Damn.
That'll stop them.
I mean, that's going to stop the windows from being open.
It's true.
That, damn.
But also I'd be like, why did she think somebody was moving her stuff around?
Like I would hate that.
I hate that a lot.
Because I would also be like, did somebody like live in the walls?
That's my biggest fear.
So in the first few weeks, Ron and Nancy just, you know, dismissed the odd sensations in the house.
They were like, you know, we just have to like make our, make our.
We're going to make it a home.
Yeah, exactly.
Like we're, we're doing it.
They just said it'll subside once we get settled in.
But what they didn't know at that time was that they weren't the only two who felt like things in the house were not right.
Nancy's oldest son, Alan, said it was real dreary and had a kind of creepy feeling to it.
Like something had happened there.
Like something might happen there again.
Ooh.
Yeah.
Now, not long after moving in, Nancy's cousin Bill stopped by to see the house and he had a housewarming present.
He was really excited.
He was cheerful.
This guy was always in a good mood, but he was particularly excited for them today.
So he walked around.
Nancy was giving him a tour of the first floor and she was like oh, you know, we're gonna remodel here, we're gonna redecorate this, this is our plan.
They went through the whole first floor and then they walked to the stairs and nancy was like oh, go ahead and check out the second floor, like i'm just gonna go do something.
And she was like sorry, it's still kind of messy.
So bill, her cousin started, you know, walking up the stairs, but about halfway up he stopped dead in his tracks, hesitated there for a moment and just turned around and came back downstairs.
Nancy said he had the strangest, most bewildered look on his face.
It seemed like all, like the happiness had drained from his body and all of a sudden he was like oh, i actually have to leave right now because i have to go do something at the bank that i totally forgot about.
Bye, no.
And then he just turned and left without saying anything else, Which was very uncharacteristic.
Wow.
Years later, Nancy asked her cousin about this and he explained that when he got halfway up the stairs he got overwhelmed by a profound feeling of anxiety and dread.
Nancy said, an unexplicable panic overcame him and he felt as though he couldn't get out of that house fast enough.
I...
I don't know how you go forward with this so far with making this like a quote unquote home.
Yeah.
Like I know they're stuck.
So I think there's literally no, but I'm like, where do you go from here?
That's the, what do you, which room do you decorate first?
And how do you decorate it?
With crucifixes.
That's the thing.
Like, Just spray holy water at all the walls.
You kind of like Hot Topic-ify it.
The heavy, I can feel the vibe in this house.
I can smell it.
And I'm nowhere near it.
Yeah.
Oh, so spooky.
So yeah, Bill like rarely came back to the house.
And if he did, he was very trepidatious and like very not himself at the house.
Yeah.
So that was one of the first incidents in you know, indications that something might be wrong with this new house, but it was not the only thing.
Not long after moving in, they started noticing like small peculiarities, I guess.
They said that faucets would turn off and on without anybody moving the knobs.
Nancy said I didn't understand how that could happen, but we figured must be because it's an old house.
Yeah yeah sure, why not?
Lights would flicker on and off.
A few months after moving in, alan was helping his mom clean up the kitchen after dinner and he was like drying the dishes and putting them away as she was loading them onto the dish rack.
And at one point she turned to say something to him.
Nancy did yeah, and when she turned back around to like continue what she was doing, the dish rack had moved from one side of the sink to the other and alan was nowhere near it and there's nobody else in the kitchen.
When i become a ghost, i won't do that.
Oh, that's the kind of shit i'm totally doing.
I don't.
I feel like that's such a waste of my time and ability as a ghost to move the dish like the drying rack.
You have to start slow.
No oh, you're going all out.
What's your, what's your first move as a ghost?
First, if there's a fire uh, if there's a fireplace in the house, i'm gonna do fire.
Yeah, will you open the flume Maybe?
Diabolical.
I wish you had just seen the look in her eyes.
She said, maybe.
Maybe.
Depends on who I'm haunting, doesn't it?
Damn, that's scary.
If I'm haunting someone I like, flume open.
Flume open.
If I'm haunting someone I don't like.
Flume closed.
Kids in the house, it will be open.
But if I'm haunting someone I don't like.
With no kids.
Flume closed.
Oh, no.
It's like, clap on.
Clap off.
Flume closed.
You die.
The flumer.
You die.
We took that to be very different.
I'm like, the flumer.
They're like, you die.
You are April Ludgate.
All right, so it wasn't just physical things going on.
Not long after moving into the house, Nancy started to notice like very small but noticeable changes in the personalities of the family.
Uh-oh.
She and Ron seemed to be, like, more irritable and quicker to anger.
Like, they were bickering with each other a lot more than they had before.
And even the kids' behavior seemed worse.
When they first met they seemed to get along really well with each other because remember, like she had three kids and he did so they like merged.
Yeah, I was, like, the brainy bunch.
Exactly.
So they seemed to enjoy each other, but now they were always fighting with each other over like really small things.
This is very Amityville.
It is.
At the time they chalked it up to just you know, like the stress of integrating their families, and you know the home buying process, the move, everything.
They managed to explain away all the odd experiences as just par for the course when it came to adjusting to a new house.
Yeah, especially like a very old one that needed lots of repairs.
Yeah, but a month later they finally experienced something that could not be dismissed so easily.
What is it?
I'm excited.
This is so good.
So it was saturday night.
Ron and nancy had gone out to dinner, had a little date night.
They said we need to get the fuck out of that house and get away from those kids.
Get our mojo back.
Yeah, get their mojo.
Exactly.
So they left the kids at home with Ron's sister Janet babysitting.
And they were relieved when they got home and Janet said the kids were actually really well behaved.
Everybody went to bed with no problem.
But Janet seemed a little shaken still.
And they were like, if everybody was so good, like, what's your fucking problem?
And Janet laughed and she said, something happened earlier that like startled and confused me.
All the kids had gone to bed and she was watching TV in the living room.
And she suddenly said got the unmistakable feeling that somebody was watching her.
So she thought it was one of the kids.
Yeah, especially babysitting too.
It's the worst.
Yeah, you always feel like someone's there.
So she was like, is one of the kids like messing with me or are they just like standing in the corner like a fucking weirdo?
So she got up and she looked down the hall toward the stairs and she saw an elderly woman standing on the landing of the stairs just looking directly back at her with like anger on her face or like hatred.
She said.
An angry old bitty?
Straight up.
On the stairs?
Yes.
This is the thing.
Yes, in fact.
This is the thing.
I don't want that.
No.
I don't want an angry old bitty on the stairs.
No.
No.
It's the last thing you want.
It's literally the last thing I want.
So, according to Janet, the woman looked like someone from an era long ago and was wearing a long dress and a bonnet.
A bonnet.
See, we're not going to have the same views.
And if you're an angry old bitty with a bonnet with bad views.
A bitty in a bonnet with bad views.
An angry old bitty in a bonnet with bad views.
It's not good.
Yeah, I don't want that.
No.
So they just like looked at each other for a moment.
Because what else do you do?
And then Janet said the woman just like poofed away.
No, she was like and i'm just to watch tv and be responsible for these children angry old, yeah.
So she said at first she thought she was dreaming, but she was like oh wait, i'm not asleep, oh my lord.
So she was like no, i definitely saw that woman, but like i don't know why.
Now, not wanting to make things worse or more tense, Ron was like oh, that's funny.
Like, you're, that's not real.
Bye.
Thanks for watching the kids.
But the older children were also hearing and seeing things that they couldn't explain.
Alan, who was Nancy's oldest son.
He said I would lay there at night and I would hear heavy footsteps, heavy boots.
I would hear them come up the steps and I knew it wasn't my parents.
I was terrified.
Yeah.
Nope.
Nope.
Now, what made it easy for the Stallings to dismiss or explain away their unexplainable experiences at first was that things kind of seemed to happen in clusters.
So there would be these long stretches of time where everything was fine and nothing happened.
That's even worse because you get this false sense of security.
I know.
But in a house with six kids and ongoing renovation projects, it was easy for them to get distracted and kind of like forget about whatever strange experience they just had.
Yeah.
But a few weeks after Janet saw the woman on the stairs, Nancy had her own experience that would not be so easy to forget.
This is like a little intense.
Oh, no.
It was one morning.
It was very early.
And Nancy was like deep, deep sleeping.
And she said, I was half awakened by someone making love to me.
I'm sorry.
What?
She said, I was half awakened by someone making love to me.
Thinking it was her husband.
She wasn't alarmed.
She was just kind of annoyed.
Because she was like, I'm not a morning person and he knows that.
And...
Okay.
So she said she just woke up.
Everything was still kind of blurry and she wasn't even really fully conscious.
And when she tried to like rebuff Ron and say like, not right now, you know, I'm not a morning lady.
Don't wake me up with that nonsense.
She felt like it was impossible to move.
She couldn't move.
And she was like, OK, something's wrong.
But like, I don't know what's happening right now.
She said like she she felt she was drugged or like paralyzed, like that kind of feeling.
And the more she regained consciousness, the more panic she became.
She said, through my blurred vision, I could see a dark haired man with a medium build.
The figure was the right size and stature as Ron, but she knew that this was not her husband.
She says, I was unable to distinguish his facial features or any distinct details about him, but inherently she knew that this was not Ron.
So the moment of panic and paralysis seemed to drag on for a very long time.
And then just as suddenly as the feeling had come on, the whole thing was over.
The man vanished, she was able to move again, and she regained full consciousness.
She said, aside from being somewhat frightened and confused, I had a terrible pain in my head, like somebody had hit me over the head with something.
I hate this so much.
Same.
Like, not only are there angry old biddies on the stairs with bad views.
Yep.
But now there's, like, sexual assault.
Yep.
And physical, like all kinds of assault.
There's every assault you could possibly imagine.
She's waking up like she got bashed over the head.
I'm like, maybe you did.
She might have.
I hate this.
So she calls Ron at work and he came to the phone.
So she knew that he would have had to have left home on time in order to make it on to work on time and be able to like answer the phone, because he had like a two hour commute.
So she was like, OK, that definitely wasn't wrong.
Yeah.
So, even though she knew the answer, she still asked Ron if he had left late that morning and if he had had sex with her while she was sleeping.
Yeah, like, let me know.
She was like, hey, did you leave late and, like, did we fook while I was asleep?
And he was like uh no, I left on time and I didn't have sex with you while you were sleeping Nance.
But thank you so much for asking.
Yeah, thank you for thinking I would do that.
So his response should have been a little bit reassuring, but in this case it only confirmed what Nancy knew, that the man in her bed that morning quote unquote making love to her, was not her husband.
Right.
That man was not making love to you.
That man was raping you.
I know.
See, I'm using quotes just so you know.
No, I know that.
But great clarification.
Yeah, just clarifying.
As you should.
So in the weeks and months that followed, she kept having the sensation that somebody was watching her, especially when she was alone in her bedroom.
Then one night she was awoken again from a deep sleep with the feeling that somebody was on top of her trying to engage her sexually.
Again she thought it was Ron, but when she opened her eyes, Ron was next to her, sound asleep, huh.
So when she mustered the courage to open her eyes fully and look up, she saw her attacker for the first time.
She said he was semi-solid and i could see the bear, the bureau, through him.
So there's an apparition on top of her.
Now we have a transparent, and it's a man?
Yeah.
And there's a transparent man on top of you while your husband is sleeping?
No.
Okay.
She said she hadn't seen the man since the last time it happened, but she was sure it was the same person who had assaulted her in her sleep the first time.
He was of average height and muscular, with dark hair and she said somewhere in his late 30s, early 40s.
Unlike the first time it happened, when she felt drugged, this time she felt like she was fully awake.
She said
She didn't feel scared or confused, though especially like as scared and confused as she was the first time.
But she said that she actually had the strong sense that this man meant her no harm.
And she said, with the full knowledge of what was happening, I decided why fight?
Whoever this man was, I like him.
I'm sorry.
I'm sorry.
I like him.
I like him.
You know what?
It's not that bad.
That's how you have to say it.
I like him.
I like him.
I like that guy.
Why fight him?
Why not?
Let's fuck ghosts.
Ghosts gives a shit.
Yeah.
Get it, girl?
Is it cheating?
Yes.
Your husband's in the bed next to you bro, but it's a dead man, but it's still a man.
I don't know.
This is a person i don't know.
This is one mighty step up from like a dream.
This is a hot debate about someone else.
I guess that's like it's a giant leap up.
It's something you have to discuss in your own marriage.
What do your parameters also include?
Ghost fucking?
Yeah, I think today I'm going to have a discussion with John.
Okay.
That I think that that's not okay.
Hey, if you wake up in the night to a ghost bitch, you can't fuck her.
Yeah, do not fuck that ghost bitch.
The ghost bitties.
Okay.
Okay, and I won't fuck the ghost well-built men.
Bro-ies.
Who I can see my bureau through.
You have to establish these things.
You guys do.
Make sure before you enter into a legal binding marriage that you have this on lock.
Yeah.
Even while you're dating.
You don't know when this could come out.
That's the thing.
Especially in New England.
No one knows.
Shit's haunted around here.
Yeah, you don't know if a ghost is going to want to fuck.
And you need to know if your husband or your partner cares if you fuck that ghost.
Yeah.
If he doesn't care, go crazy.
Go crazy.
Say, I love you.
I like them.
I'm not going to fight them.
And then just, you know.
Go for it.
Go about your life.
Yeah, do what you got to do.
Well anyway, since it was the early or the late 60s, early 70s, Nancy and Ron didn't feel super comfortable talking about their paranormal experiences because they worried that people would think they were like cuckoo birds.
And they didn't really talk about it at home either.
If they had, they might have realized that literally everybody in the house was experiencing weird shit.
But they kind of like experienced their own things as like a parental unit and like married couple.
And then like the kids were experiencing things, but nobody was talking about it.
Yeah, that makes sense.
And several of Ron and Nancy's children were too young to know the difference between what the real world was and whatever was happening in the house.
But as the oldest child, Alan frequently encountered things that he couldn't explain.
There was always a weird feeling of being watched, he said, but the worst experiences were those that came at night, when everybody else was asleep in the house.
Yeah.
One night, about a year after they moved in, Alan woke up in the middle of the night and he walked down the hall to get a drink of water in the bathroom.
And while he was standing at the sink drinking, he said he started to hear a sound coming from down the hall that sounded like somebody was breaking into the house.
So he walked out of the bathroom and he looked down the pitch dark hallway.
He took a few steps forward to investigate a little more when the figure of a man stepped out of the darkness and moved towards him.
Alan said he ran toward his bedroom, sensing that the man was just behind him, and when he got to the room he shared with his brother, he just swung the door shut and like, pulled the blankets over his head.
What the?
And he said.
From underneath the blanket he could hear the sound of heavy boots pacing outside the bedroom door.
Then he heard the door handle jiggle, followed by the sound of the door opening slowly nope, So he finally gets the courage to peek above the covers.
And he heard the footsteps go back down the hall.
I hate it.
So, whoever it was, chased him to his bedroom, jiggled the handle and then opened the door and dipped.
It's like, what the fuck was the point of that, bro?
To freak you out.
Just to be scary?
To freak you out.
Finally, he got like enough courage to peek down the hallway and there was nobody there.
Oh, that's so scary.
Yeah.
Like that's scary because nothing happened.
Exactly.
But everything happened at the same time.
Like I hate that a lot.
So just a few days before that, Alan had actually fallen down the stairs.
That afternoon he was walking down the stairs to just like meet up with his parents and go somewhere.
And about halfway down the stairs, he said, I felt like somebody grabbed me from behind and literally heaved me down the steps.
What the?
Which is weird because the old lady who they had bought the house from had the exact same experience.
Yep.
So it was after those two incidents that Alan finally told his parents about what was going on.
So now Nancy and Ron are like, okay, fuck, we're not the only people experiencing these things.
Yeah, this isn't great.
So in the first year and a half in the house, the Stallings continued to experience weird, generally harmless incidents that they couldn't explain.
But now it seemed like the ghosts, or whatever was in the house, not only had the ability to interact with them physically in good ways and in bad, depending on how you look at it but at least one spirit in the house seemed to want to harm them.
Like your child just got thrown down the stairs.
Yeah.
To make matters worse, after a while, the paranormal incidents weren't just confined to the house.
Apparently.
When Nancy gave birth in 1967, she was obviously at the hospital and she hoped that the few-day stay would kind of be like a reprieve from everything going on in her house.
But instead, she found that the spirit seemed to have followed her to the hospital.
Ugh.
Yeah.
No.
No.
We'll be right back.
We'll be right back.
Ron assumed that his uncle wouldn't believe the story and he was right.
But at the very least, he could see that his nephew was, you know, stressed and anxiety ridden.
So he offered to come and bless the house.
A few nights later, the priest arrived at the home and blessed each room as he walked from one floor to the next.
And when he was finally done with the blessing, he performed a Catholic mass in the living room for good measure, just in case.
And he said, you know, hopefully the ritual will like ease your minds.
And Alan found the presence comforting.
So that night, after the priest had left, the kids were all in bed.
Ron and Nancy were just sitting together in the living room watching TV.
And for the first time in weeks, they said the house felt quiet.
And they were like, you know, maybe whatever Uncle Priest did worked.
But a few hours later, they started hearing this crazy racket come from the porch.
And they both ran to the window, looked out at the deck and saw that the kids' toys were flying around the porch.
They said there was a tricycle riding back and forth on its own.
And it was at that moment Ron said he realized his uncle blessed the entire house except for the porch.
So all the ghosties were on the porch.
Clearly.
Ron grabbed a crucifix from the living room which he just had laying around, i guess and ran onto the porch and nailed it on the wall.
Apparently, the presence of the cross stopped the activity for the time being, but they were like we're not taking any more chances, too much man.
So they packed up their seven children into their volkswagen bus and drove to ron's dad's cabin, which was like an hour outside of baltimore, and they just stayed in one room together for like days Instead of going back to that house.
I was going to say instead of actually going in the house.
Ron said, I thought I could get enough nerve to come back again and hope it stopped.
But what really motivated them to go home a few days later was the fact that the kids had to go to school and he had to go to work.
Otherwise, they probably would have just lived in that cabin.
And been like, at least it's not haunted in this one room.
Yeah, this is great.
This one room is so cool.
I love this room.
It's so not haunted.
The activity in the house seemed to be affecting everybody in some way or another.
But if it had one target that it really preferred over everybody else, it was Nancy.
And the years that passed since they moved in.
She kept having those like very vivid, disturbing dreams and really nightmares.
Yeah.
And some of them.
She was in the house she saw in her first dream where the man like struck the other one down with the axe.
But there were others, and a lot of them involved the old woman that Ron's sister said she saw on the stairs.
I guess.
Old bitty.
Angry old bitty.
Angry old bitty on the stairs with bad views.
Yeah.
So one night after they went to bed, Nancy was having trouble sleeping.
And again, she couldn't shake the feeling that they were being watched.
So finally, that tension came to a head when she looked down and she saw that elderly woman staring at her from the foot of their bed.
No, whenever something's staring at the from the foot of the bed, get out of there.
That gives me the willies in a way i can't describe.
You gotta get out of there.
And nancy said the way that the woman looked at them both was like not just a look of disapproval but of hatred.
Yeah, like she was.
Like she looked at us with hatred and bad views in her.
No, she's angry, old bitty she is, and she's got bad views, i'm telling you.
Oh, I know she does.
Yeah.
She doesn't align.
Just wait.
She totally does.
Yeah.
So, between the menacing old woman who had appeared to Nancy Alan's fall down the stairs and everything the fucking tricycle on the porch riding its own self, everything that was going on Ron and Nancy had to face the fact that not only were they living in a haunted house, but that even if they could get out, the haunting might follow them.
Yeah.
Because remember, like she went to the hospital and it was there.
Yeah.
So they hoped that the blessing would get rid of the ghosts in their house, but it kind of just seemed to make things worse.
So now, knowing that they needed to get out before or they needed to do something before somebody got seriously hurt, in 1968, they decided to put the house on the market and they just hoped that they would find an enthusiastic buyer quickly.
In the meantime, Ron got the courage to ask a friend at work if he knew anybody who had experience with ghosts that might be able to help them.
It's unclear if that co-worker believed Ron's story, but either way he suggested that Ron contact a friend of his who was a reporter for the Baltimore Sun.
So Ron took the friend's advice and he reached out to reporter A.W.
Gieselman.
Gieselman?
Gieselman.
Gieselman.
Gieselman.
I trust him.
A.W.
A.W.
Gieselman.
Isn't A.W. root beer?
A.W.
Yeah, that's good root beer.
That is good root beer.
So A.W. was immediately interested in the story and went out to the house to interview the family.
And Ron and Nancy explained everything that was happening in the house.
They also explained that they were desperately looking for somebody who could help them solve this.
Now.
At the time, they told the reporter in no uncertain terms that they did not want their names published in this story.
And the reporter seemed sympathetic.
He said he understood.
But when they received the newspaper the next day, they discovered that not only had they been named in the article explaining every weird supernatural thing they were experiencing, but it also listed where Ron worked at the time.
Oh, no.
She's like, dude.
That's not cool.
No.
Now, all things considered, the article itself, like what was written, was not malicious.
It mostly just relied on quotes from Ron and Nancy.
Yeah.
They described their experiences.
They told the reporter about the knocking sounds, the misplaced objects, other things that they just couldn't explain.
And Ron said he considers the possibility that poltergeists are responsible for his problems, in the absence of any other explanation.
So it kind of made him sound like a crazy person.
It absolutely does.
Now today, the article maybe wouldn't be that big of a deal, but in 1968, when this subject was totally taboo, it reflected poorly on both of them.
People saw them as like silly or naive or cuckoo to believe in paranormal.
Yeah.
Anything paranormal.
And to make matters worse, they had only recently put the house on the market and they were getting some interest, but now those calls completely stopped.
Oh, but now.
No.
And it wasn't just that there were potential buyers who were influenced by the article.
It wasn't just those people who were.
The neighbors also started acting very cold toward the family, probably worried that the article would make them look crazy or bad as well for being associated with them.
So during all the stress of the article and trying to sell the house, the paranormal activity continued to plague all the members of the family very much, especially Nancy.
Her vivid nightmares only got worse.
At that time she recalled one particularly bad dream, where she was in her bedroom and she could smell smoke coming from the hall.
And she said when she went out to see what it was, there was a raging fire at the end of the hall like blocking their exit.
See, look at that fire.
Yeah.
So she gathered up all the kids from their bedrooms, but the fire was like in their exit path so they couldn't get out of there.
Oh, no.
And she said just beyond the flame she could see the old woman laughing at their terror.
This angry old bitty yeah, what the fuck.
So to nancy, she said what a bitch, she is a bitch.
And nancy said this dream felt more real than any of the other dreams that she had before.
So she was like i.
This was not an ordinary dream.
She said.
It was like an experience.
She was like this if any dream was a premonition or a warning, this one was it I.
It's this angry old bitch that's laughing in the corner.
That is really fucking me up.
Like all this stuff is so scary.
And then you have this angry old bitch being like, and it's like, ah, so creepy.
So one afternoon after Nancy had that dream for four nights in a row, imagine she was in the kitchen, like for real this time.
And she started to smell gas.
So she told Ron and he looked over all the appliances in the kitchen, but they couldn't find the source.
So they called the gas company.
And when the technician came over that afternoon he discovered that one of the connections to like the gas line, I think in the basement had come loose and the house was actually filling with natural gas.
So if anybody in that house had lit a match at that time, the entire place would have exploded.
What the fuck?
So her dream was like fully correct.
Yeah.
Now she didn't know whether the loose connection in the gas line was just an accident or if it was something much more sinister.
But either way, it was yet another reminder that they needed to get the fuck out of there.
Yeah.
Now it's getting super dangerous.
And not only that, they needed to do something to protect themselves in the time that they were having to stay there, because they can't just leave.
So at the library, Nancy poured over the small number of books on the supernatural and she came to one that seemed explicitly focused on getting rid of the complex problem of a haunting.
The book's author, Hans Holzer, he was a parapsychologist.
Hans Holzer.
Of course.
I think we've talked about him before.
We have, yeah.
He was a parapsychologist who supported the practice of ghost hunting, spirit communication and just anything supernatural.
And conveniently, the book also listed the contact information for him.
So Nancy reached out being like, please fucking help us.
Several months went by, I guess, and they didn't get any word from him.
So they just assumed he wasn't interested.
But then one day in early winter, he just showed up at their front door.
He said, hello, I am here, ready to help.
He said, hi, I'm Hans.
Hi, I'm Hans, and I'm here.
What's up?
It's like, hey, Hans, come on in.
Why not?
They were still being affected.
Come into the circus.
Why not?
Come on in.
So he brought a medium with him who he had relied on a few times in the past.
And he said you cannot investigate a haunting and ghosts with just Geiger counters and other technical equipment and wait for things to happen.
You must use a trance medium.
Everything else is useless.
Wow.
So we've been ghost hunting incorrectly.
We have.
We only went ghost hunting with mediums one time.
And you know what, Hans?
All right.
Tell me what to do, man.
Tell me.
Tell me all the ins and outs of this.
He said just get a fucking medium.
That's it.
Just a medium.
That's it.
So as they walked through the house, the medium sensed an unnatural presence, they said, particularly in the basement.
She told Ron and Nancy that there were several spirits in the house, several different ones, but that the more troubling sensations came from the second floor, just outside of their bedrooms, which makes sense, because that's where everybody was really experiencing things.
Yeah.
Like Alan getting pushed on the stairs.
He was like in between levels on the second.
Yeah.
Nancy in her bedroom, Alan in his bedroom.
So in Ron and Nancy's bedroom, the medium sensed the spirit of a man called Louis Fontenil.
The spirit told her that he... Louis Fontenil.
Louis Fontenil.
The spirit told her he and his men had been sent to protect the city and that they were waiting on supplies to come into Baltimore Harbor.
So, given the area that they lived in and the description of the spirits' activities, Holzer suspected that this was the ghost of a Civil War soldier who had gotten trapped here.
Basically,
He said they live in the land.
If there's now another house, they don't see that.
They see what they remember.
So this ghost wasn't in a house.
He was like roaming around the land from Civil War times.
Oh, okay.
Isn't that crazy?
That's weird as hell.
Right?
That's why, like we've talked about before, like they don't see like the new construction.
So we've talked about stories where, like you'll see, like people will see apparitions of like ghost legs.
Oh yeah, like halfway through.
Yeah.
Like halfway through a room because they're in the old configuration.
Yeah.
So they're walking on the floor.
Yeah.
That was so weird.
That fucked me up.
That happened in the Paul Feig episode.
I remember specifically it was like a hotel or something.
Yeah.
It was um, I forget the hotel that we covered, but it was like a Native American guy who was like stuck in between two levels.
That makes sense.
So the medium sensed another spirit in Ron and Nancy's bedroom, a lot more intense than the soldier.
In her communication with the spirit, she got the name Kittinger and realized that this was the old woman who had been seen by several family members.
That old bitty.
The bitty.
She was the one from Nancy's dreams or nightmares.
The woman had owned the property way before the Stallings house was even built and she believed she was in charge of the home and the land.
She thought that the members of the family were her servants.
So when they didn't do what she expected or commanded them to do because she couldn't communicate with them, but she thought she was trying to she became enraged and violent.
So that's why she was so angry.
That's why she's pissed.
She was also angry about an incident involving somebody named John Thompson, a man who had supposedly wronged her.
But that was all the information that the media could get.
Was her name Tom Johnson?
John Thompson.
John Thompson.
Yeah.
Tom Thompson.
That was all the information though, just that john thompson had wronged this woman.
According to the medium, the soldier though, had been trying to protect the family from the old woman because she meant them harm.
With the medium's help, holzer performed like this kind of ritual cleansing that was intended to help the spirits move on, and in the days that followed everything seemed quiet in the house.
A few days later, Nancy told Cousin Bill what happened.
Remember Cousin Bill?
Yeah.
And she gave him the names that the medium came up with during her session.
Bill took this information to the Hall of Records and started digging through documents related to the property.
And he discovered that, just prior to the end of the Civil War, a soldier named Louis Fontanelli was killed during a fight that occurred at an inn where the house now stood.
What?
Isn't that crazy?
That's crazy.
And then, when Bill went back, even just a little bit further in the records, he found another name Eileen Kittinger, the owner of a home that had been located on the property in 1797.
Damn.
Isn't that crazy?
That's wild.
So the information that Bill shared kind of supported everything that they knew and everything they had been told.
And it completely validated their decision to get the fuck out of that house as soon as they could.
Fortunately, a few months later they got an offer on the house from a young couple who were apparently like, very enthused about this house.
They were paranormal enthusiasts.
And they read about the house in that article that got published.
So they were like let's fucking buy that house.
So it was all theirs now.
Damn ron, nancy and the kids were thrilled to finally be moving out of the house and they got to packing immediately.
One night, a few days after they signed all the paperwork, nancy was upstairs packing some boxes and she said she got a strange sensation that she wasn't alone.
She said Louise came to me and he said when you leave, don't ever come back into this house, because when you leave, I'm leaving and I won't be here to protect you and you won't be safe.
And that was good enough for me, Nancy said.
Damn.
Yeah.
So a few days later, they packed up their moving truck and they left the house for the last time.
Good for them.
Nancy said, when we left that house, I can't even describe how good I felt.
We had made it through that terrible experience and now we would be able to live a normal life.
Wow yeah, the end, the end, the end.
There's so much in that, isn't that a crazy?
Like there's so much in that.
And just the fact that like, the medium didn't say, like honey, the land she was like here are these specific names for you and if you go to the hall of deeds, you will be able to confirm everything i just said to you which like, that's pretty fucking cool, that's pretty rad.
Just saying i mean, she might have gone there before, but okay, thank you, i was like.
I was like do I burst the bubble?
But you never know.
Did they go there ahead of time?
Possibly.
Get those names.
It's always possible.
Really, really kind of solidify it by being like, why don't you go check?
I mean, because it's like, I know they're there.
But they didn't even say go check.
Bill was just like, I'm going to go check.
But I mean, who knows?
Who knows?
They experienced some weird shit in that house.
Who can be sure?
Some mediums are legit.
They are.
You know?
You gotta be a little sus, but some mediums, I believe, are legit.
Period.
Period.
Honey the land.
Honey the land.
This is a real case of honey the land because they were stuck on the land.
It's literally honey the land.
Yeah.
It literally is.
I mean, no matter what, those two people fit the description of these apparitions.
Yeah.
It makes sense.
It does.
It's pretty freaky.
That one like spooked me for sure.
That's a spooky one.
It is a spooky one.
I think there's also, we were just saying that we watched, what was that?
What is that show?
Is it like an American haunting or something?
It's one of those haunting shows that they dramatize the whole thing.
Yeah.
We watched it with Mikey and Dave one night and we watched this particular one.
And I remember vividly.
The tricycle.
The tricycle flying around the porch.
And I remember the shocking revelation that they were like, we didn't bless the porch.
And I was like, that's wild.
I was going through this entire story and I was like, this sounds like vaguely familiar.
And then I got to that part and I was like, oh, I know exactly where we saw this.
All of a sudden it's like, oh.
So funny.
I love it.
So crazy.
I love it.
I love it.
I love it.
Well, you guys, we hope you keep listening.
And we hope you keep it weird.
But not so weird that you're an old bitty on the stairs with bad views.
Don't be an angry old bitty on the stairs with bad views and a bonnet.
Be a happy young bitty on the stairs with good views and a good blowout.
Yeah.
No bonnet.
Hell yeah.
Bye.
Bye.
Thank you.
Thank you.
