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Do you want to know about crickets?
and how you can sustain yourself on them?
Well, then listen to this episode, Are Crickets the Future of Food?
And this is from September 7th, 2017.
I hope you enjoy it all over again.
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I'm Josh W. Chuck Clark there's Charles Malcolm Bryant and there's Jerry the Wiz Roland it sounds like an Aaron Cooper poster gone bad already maybe we'll have like the swirly face like the weird people in Jacob's Ladder it's funny, we had an office visitor a couple weeks ago and I don't think you were here
in fact, I know you weren't here because you would have been in here but there's our great stepbrothers you know the movie stepbrothers for those of you out here uh out there there's a promo of john c reilly and will ferrell with as like a with an olin mills type uh you know posed photograph and aaron cooper
our buddy from kansas who does our great photoshop stuff uh made us into i was john c reilly and you were will ferrell and the guy came in and i was looking around and i was like oh man these are great and he went look at that he went that looks like i don't know it looks like it could be like something
like the movie stepbrother or something i said oh that's exactly what it is yeah i tried to make him not feel bad that was nice of you that was very gracious of you as a host yeah like he didn't quite zone in on all of them were us i got you you should have like clapped loudly beside his ear uh man i
had a little scary thing today what happened if i may this is kind of part psa this has nothing to do with cricket farming okay but um we're getting our uh our basement waterproofed because for 13 years it's been leaking water like really bad so much so that we have mold now oh yeah black mold yes and oh
no we're also getting mold remediation done at the same time man so needless to say that's a fun fun way to spend a lot of money.
Um, but I come home today and my carbon monoxide alarm is going off because these yahoos are using a gas powered concrete saw in our basement.
No. And it's like full on saying, you know, get out of the house and my animals are in there.
So like, and I just happened to go home after I went to a coffee shop to study because I needed to grab something, but I literally could have come home to dead animals.
And dead workmen in the basement.
Yeah, those guys too.
Wow, I'll bet they're not the sharpest tacks in the box anymore.
It was weird, man. And they were down there, I mean, not only did they not have on so much as a dust mask for the gas, but concrete dust is really dangerous too.
They're like, I don't care.
I've got Obamacare.
It was so weird, man.
And just it freaked me out to the point where Emily, she wanted to like fire the guy.
He wasn't even there like the, you know, the foreman or owner of the company.
His subs were there?
Yeah. And she wanted to be like, man, if he doesn't understand that this is dangerous.
And he said, you know, open up your windows.
It'll be clear in 15 minutes.
And it took two hours for that alarm to stop going off.
Oh, my gosh. Wow, that is really scary.
It was really bad, man.
And I was out on my deck basically for the rest of the morning until I came in with my dogs and my cat in a crate.
Man, that's like how some people commit suicide.
I know. You know? Yeah.
And these guys are just doing it gratis for you.
Yeah, it was weird.
Yeah, anyway, so I'm slightly shaken.
Yeah, I'll bet. I'm glad you made it, man.
You look good. You look okay.
Thank you. You look healthy.
Your pallor isn't gaunt.
i think you're you're okay oh i just got to calm down here the sound of the crickets uh on our miniature cricket farm here are soothing me at least i know they put me to sleep i'm glad we set that up that was pretty good that was one of our better segues sadly enough thanks um yeah we are talking crickets aren't
we yeah we covered intimophagy i meant to look up when but it was seems like a long time ago right and that's eating bugs and insects But this is focusing specifically on crickets because by all accounts, they seem like sort of the our best bet at trying to get something like this going in America for real.
Yeah, I mean, they're pretty easy to raise.
They don't require much space.
You can set up your own cricket farm at home.
Um, and really we should say the point of all this, the whole reason anybody would want people to start raising crickets at home is because the, um, well, the, the earth is about to collapse and our, um, food supply is in, in real danger.
Right. So I've got some stats for you, Chuck.
Okay. So meat consumption per capita has increased into the developed world.
Actually, it's doubled in the last 30 years.
And that's thanks in no small part to the rise of the BRIC countries, Brazil, Russia, India, and China, who have huge, massive populations.
And as they entered the capitalist global economy, have generally become enriched.
and the more money they have, the more meat civilization tends to consume, at least these days, right?
So that doesn't seem bad in and of itself until you look into what kind of resources it takes to actually raise meat.
So you ready for this one?
I don't know. I'm afraid.
To produce one pound of meat, that's a half a kilo, basically, of meat.
Is this beef? Beef, sorry, yeah.
it requires about 2 ,400 gallons of water I've heard stuff like that before which is like absolutely nuts even when you consider that not only are you watering the cow you're also watering the crops that you feed to the cow so there's double water consumption but one of the reasons cattle beef requires
so much water is because you only consume 40 % of the cow.
Yeah. So 60 % of the water is going to sustain parts of the cow you're not even eating, right?
So there's a lot of wasted water, even if your water delivery system is 100 % efficient, right?
Yeah. That's just water.
51 % of the greenhouse gases that are emitted on planet Earth come from animal agriculture.
Yeah. 51%. And one third of the world's adequate or high quality cropland has been lost to erosion or pollution in the last 40 years.
Now, that's a huge problem, whether we are all vegetarians or not, because we're talking cropland.
But we use way more cropland to feed our livestock than we do to feed ourselves, right?
Something like 56 million acres of land are used to grow crops in the United States to feed animals.
Four million are used to grow crops for human consumption.
So there's a lot, a lot of resources that are used up just from meat -based diets, right?
A lot of people say, well, just go to plant -based diets.
And other people say, you can't get enough protein from plant -based diets, which apparently is not true from what I'm seeing.
Other people are saying, fine, you want some protein, I got something for you, and it's crickets.
Yeah, I'm kind of, oh, I'm not surprised, but it goes to show you the population boom if meat consumption has increased that much in the face of probably more vegetarianism and veganism than ever before, too, you know.
Well, that's kind of heartening.
Like, if there does seem to be, I guess if societies follow...
Yeah, I'd like, we should, I mean, we've been dancing around doing episodes on vegetarianism and veganism for a while, so we should probably tackle that at some point.
All right. I'm kind of curious about the history because it seems like in the, like, probably since the onset of America until, and then I'm talking off the top of my head here, but until probably the 90s, it seemed like everybody was just like meat, meat, meat, meat, meat.
Well, there's a, I mean, it's definitely associated with wealth, right?
If you can afford to eat a nice steak kind of indicates you have a certain amount of status in your society, right?
Well, like the 50s, it seems like they would eat steak for lunch.
Right. And I can't imagine a steak for lunch that seems so indulgent.
Yeah, I think it is.
You know? Yeah. Like, yeah, just give me the 20 ounce ribeye for lunch.
Right. It's just, I don't know.
I can't imagine that.
And three martinis.
I don't argue with that part.
That is pretty indulgent.
Three martinis and a 20 -ounce ribeye for lunch.
I mean, that was Don Draper, you know?
Yeah. I never saw that show.
I know. I never saw it.
It's available. Where?
Is it out there, really?
I thought they erased it all.
Yeah, they did. They said, that's it.
It's done. Uh -huh. Didn't he go become a lumberjack at the end?
No, he did not. Oh, okay.
Oh, that's Dexter. Oh, man.
I know we talked about the ending of that show.
Crazy. I actually never saw the end of that one.
You just told me about it.
Yeah, I think you stole it to yourself just to watch the finale.
Okay. So this dude, Kevin, how would you pronounce that?
Bach Huber. B -A -C -H, which is fine.
That's clearly Bach.
And H -U -B -R. You just don't often see two H's side by side.
No. So anyway, Kevin Bach Huber.
Nice. uh is a dude that is kind of championing well not kind of very much championing this movement in 2007 he went to thailand and tasted crickets uh deep fried crickets and uh he's from california and he was like hey this is really good he's a far out they've been doing this um in thailand since the late
90s the king established a big growing program uh for crickets and cricket farms education in schools like this is a good way to get protein in your diet and he said I think this is the direction America should go and I'm going to get in on the money side of it like the farming of it.
Apparently it's a $20 million industry already.
Not bad. No it isn't and we should say that Bach Huber is one of several people who are into this the idea of cricket farming, commercial cricket farming.
And he's definitely one of the OGs for sure.
His business was the first to get approval to sell crickets as food in the United States.
He got FDA approval because the cricket industry actually is kind of old.
Well, it's not too old, but I saw anywhere between 50 and 70 years old in the U .S.
And they were raised to, say, feed fish for commercial fish farming or to grind up as a protein supplement for livestock feed.
So people have been raising crickets for a while or to feed to reptiles to sell them to pet stores.
So there was an established infrastructure of cricket farming, but making the transition from selling it to feed to cows or fish or snakes to selling it to people to eat directly That was a big step, and Bockhuber was the first one to take it in the U .S.
I should just say, the reason I point out he's just one of many is because this HowStuffWorks article was basically like, here's my report on Kevin Bockhuber's TED Talk.
Sort of. You know? Yeah.
I think he definitely deserves credit because he's leading the charge, but so are other people as well.
Yeah, he's woven throughout this thing though.
Yeah. And, you know, if you listen to the Intomophagy episode—episode?
No, it's episode. We pointed out then, and it bears repeating, that America is new to this, but I think it was Canada and the United States and Western Europe are literally the only places on Earth that don't consume insects as a regular part of their diet these days.
So this article kind of says the standard 80 % of the world regularly consumes insects as part of their diet.
I saw that there's a food and agriculture organization, the UN organization report said something, it was more like about a third of the population rather than 80%, maybe like 30 to 35%, which is still significant.
Yeah, that's a big difference.
It is. And in the West specifically, the idea of eating bugs is not, it's not commonplace, right?
And I actually saw a pretty good explanation for why.
Like 13 of the 14 large livestock animals that are domesticated are found in Eurasia and made their way over to the Americas.
And those things, those animals provide not just meat, but also things like milk, clothing, everything, basically.
So since what you would call Western countries had access to these domesticated animals, they never needed bugs as a food source.
And then secondly, since they were raising domesticated animals, by definition, they had a sedentary agricultural lifestyle, which meant that their exposure to bugs was bugs as pests.
Right. So not only were bugs not edible, they were something that were just undesirable on their face.
Oh, sure. So that led to the—it closed the door on bugs being eaten by Westerners.
And so that came to be filled by a sense of disgust, which is a basic human emotion, but it's the only one that's culturally bound, which means you learn what is disgusting from your cultural group.
Yeah, for sure. But that also means you can unlearn it, too.
Well, if Big Cricket has anything to do with it.
Why don't we take a quick break, and we're going to come back and talk about a UN report that kind of changed a lot of things about four years ago.
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All right. So I promised you a UN report.
2013, there was a big kind of sea change.
I don't know about sea change.
It was the beginning.
Beginning of a sea change.
They issued a report called Edible Insects colon Future Prospects for Food and Feed Security.
And it was basically just championing entomophagy and all the benefits that surround it, like how nutrient -dense crickets and other insects are, the fact that it's socially sustainable, economically viable, and friendly, environmentally friendly.
And it kind of, you know, kind of paints it as like, hey, this is the future or could be part of the future, at least, of getting protein into, you know, Americans.
Right. And the report itself didn't focus exclusively on crickets, but crickets feature prominently in the report.
They're the star. It was about bugs in general and eating bugs in general.
And it made a pretty big splash.
I remember when it came out, like it really hit the news cycle pretty hard, but it also caught the attention of that Bach Huber guy who said, all right, I'm going to.
