intro music Hello! Hi there!
Hi! Welcome to our second drink of Halloween.
So guess what Jenna?
According to pretty much every online poll in fact I didn't find one where this wasn't true season 2 Halloween is ranked as the number one office Halloween episode.
I don't doubt it, I think it's my favorite.
I loved our breakdown of this episode because we had Creed in the studio you for the entire episode and he shared so many fun things.
Well, Ange, I agree, and I actually panicked, because I couldn't think of anything that we hadn't already shared about this episode.
You guys, Angela and I have been dividing up, taking the lead on second drinks and I was assigned to Halloween and I did not know how we were going to do.
I really felt like we shared it all.
But then, guess what?
What? I found my old myspaceblog for this episode old tech.
Yes! And there were several titbits that we never shared.
Are you ready? I'm so ready.
All right, first off, Inge.
In our breakdown, we talked about your cat costume and how your tail was very hard to sit in.
But according to my blog, one of the ears on your costume kept falling down, and it remember this?
I do remember this because sometimes I could feel it fall and it'd be flat on my head .
And other times I couldn't .
And so I would start talking and Oscar would be like your ear, okay , what?
But I had completely forgot about that until you reminded me .
And I was like oh yes, it's driving us crazy .
Well, I also shared that you broke several cookies in that scene that we had together in the conference room, you know the one where you ask me what I brought and I say brownies and they're like really pissed off because you're like same category as you brought cookies.
And then I like, slammed the tray down.
Yes. In my blog, I wrote this quote, Angela kept slamming them down on the plate in disgust during the scene.
I actually remember us breaking, I remember laughing because I broke them and it's got to live somewhere in some blooper land.
It must. I mean we talked about how that was a hard scene to get through, but I failed to mention that you were destroying cookies With one ear now this episode also features the very first Jim and Pam air high -five mm -hmm I know we talked about it because I love it Yes, we discussed it, but we did
not talk about how that was an improvisation That was not scripted lady so wait it wasn't in the shooting draft No, I can't believe I didn't share this the first time.
In fact, there wasn't any description in the script for how Pam reacts to Jim pretending to be Michael Scott on the phone.
He does this impression of Michael.
Uh -huh. Because they're tricking Dwight.
And when he hangs up, we do the air high -five.
But in the script, it says nothing.
It doesn't even say Pam looks delighted.
And my memory is that John suggested that we air High Five to give it a little button at the end.
We nailed it the first time and everyone freaked out on how cute it was.
It was super cute. It's also the no look.
The no look air high five.
It's special. It's like, Oh, these two are in sync what's going to happen with these characters?
Well, this is where it all began, I love it.
And then Angela, according to my Myspace blog about this episode, Paul Liebherstein improvised a line in his scene with Steve that made Steve break.
And I wrote that it took Steve two full minutes to recover.
And I'm like, wow, how did we not talk about this?
I checked the breakdown, and sure enough we had not discussed it.
I went back, watched the episode.
There are not any scenes between Toby and Michael.
It's a deleted scene, though!
Oh. I must have written this MySpace blog before I knew what the episode was actually gonna be when it aired.
Right, right. So there's this deleted scene where Toby asks Michael for the name of the employee that is gonna be fired so that he can start the HR paperwork.
And Michael tries to fire Toby.
I found it, and I thought we should listen to it.
Michael. Michael. What?
Michael, do you have the name of the employee you're letting go?
I'd like to start working on Al Platts Month.
Fine. If you are so anxious to see a head roll, it's you.
There. You brought it on yourself.
Too bad. Can't say that I'm sorry.
It's a relief. I don't report to you, Micheal.
I report to the head of HR in New York.
you asked for a name I gave you a name now you're not doing your job why don't you just resign if just send someone else you need to have an HR representative just know that if I could have fired you I would I know Michael what line made him laugh well that's the thing I said that it was some improvisation that made
Steve lose it I was clearly sitting in the background at reception observing this whole thing be shot, but I check the script and it's exactly as scripted so I guess maybe the improv didn't make it in the cut but I do know that if anyone could make Steve break it was Paul.
I feel like it's the moment just very resigned.
He says, I know Michael.
That's my guess. Well finally Angela, I shared in a Myspace.* that Reign, John, and Bryan held their first ever PlayStation 2 boxing contest during our downtime for this episode.
But I guess the episode finished shooting before they could finish the tournament.
I noted that Reign and John were down to their final fighters.
That just brings me right back.
I know. Those guys, we'd be in a scene and they'd be like, okay, last take, last take, we gotta go.
We're like, guys, are you doing your boxing match, Which are we doing this scene?
Pretty much. Well, that's a really fun second drink, lady.
Thank you. I was very excited.
Well, everyone, we hope you liked this breakdown of Halloween.
Like Angela said, it's with our dear friend Creed Bratton.
It's a really good one.
Creed is so fun. You're gonna love it.
Alright, here it is!
Enjoy! I'm Jenna Fisher.
And I'm Angela Kinsey.
We were on The Office together.
And we're best friends.
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Creed is here, Creed is here, Creed is here!
Creed is in the house.
This is so amazing.
Creed's going to be with us for the whole episode guys.
Okay Creed, you are our first in -house visitor right?
I mean we've had people call in, but you are our first in -house guest.
I'm the first one. I might not be… I might have a bathroom break or something.
I won't be here for the whole thing but I'll be in and out.
We can provide you with a bathroom break.
That would be good.
I'm old. I'm old school.
Well, I'm old, so that's part of it you know.
I need everybody to know that I have already teared up twice.
Since Creed has been here you've said two touching, well first of all just seeing you.
Oh. Almost burst into tears.
but then you've said five amazing things that have touched my heart already.
Well, as soon as I get together with you, we're back on the set, you know?
And that's all, like, oh, I miss you girls.
Creed lives down the street from me.
Yes. I think everybody who knows me knows this.
The world knows that.
Don't give him my address, Please do.
I won't. Creed's address is.
His hidden key is...
Yes, yes. Yes. We are neighbors, and it's one of the joys of my life that we're neighbors.
I love that you're right around the corner.
We see each other walking.
I, you were walking, um, was it your daughter's dog?
My son's Lil Yorkie.
A little Yorkie and I hear successfully and I turn around.
And we've also maybe had some adult beverage and, and Red Salih Devs.
We may have. We may have.
We like to do a little bit of what we call the sauce trail and walk around having a glass of wine.
And watching documentaries.
Oh yeah. Creed loves anything.
We're like animals go crazy.
Like Planet Earth. Yes, all that stuff.
I just love it. All right.
Great. Well, we are really excited to have you here.
We are discussing the Halloween episode.
Yes. Right, right. Season two, episode five this was written by Gregg Daniels and directed by Paul Fieg and it is the first episode that Creed speaks.
Well, I actually, in diversity day I had lines with Phyllis.
Yes. I told her. And they paid me afterwards to well the first day at first Do and the girl we had the first the first season.
She thought I was part of the cast at the time.
So Cait, she came over here with her little hands and she said, now you and Phyllis just start talking?
And Phyllis said wait.
I said, never mind, it's OK.
Never mind. Phyllis was going to out you.
You know, Phyllis was going to out me, so I said never mind.
It's fine. And so we started, I started talking about, you know, sacrificing goats or something.
You know? Of course you did.
friend was trying to tell her what was on her head.
Your improv was sacrificing goats or something?
Yes, yes, yes. So you can hear me in the background.
And later on, they said, wait a minute.
Creed's talking in the background.
And I said, oh shoot, how did that happen?
yeah how that happen so they they paid me on the side but they didn't say but we can't I said no it's fine it's fine and then on not off camera then also was the voice for the the ride yes for the mining ride mining ride you know yeah you were so funny as the voice of the mining ride yeah Isabel was watching
that episode with me and she said mom I know that voice I know that voice and I was like wait you're oh my gosh she She was like, I think it's Creed.
She? I'm discerning to she.
I mean, I didn't catch it.
And then I looked it up and I'm like, Isabel we do know that voice.
It's Creed. Yeah. But anyway, this is the first time where I actually was, had some, had some serious lines.
And it was six and a half pages.
I remember Kent Sp of Wernick threw the script down.
He said, okay, here it is.
This is your moment.
Wow. And I had memorized it forwards and backwards.
I had set a timer on a little recorder at a night.
it subliminally at 2 and 3 in the morning, it would go off and play the lines while I was sleeping.
Crazy. I had it backwards – no joke, I had it backwards.
I knew this was the Rubicon.
This was the place, I was gonna get – my intuition said this is it.
And, then, of course, we walk in the office and 1 Greg, they came in and said, by the way, we made changes, of course, to still the lines and we reversed them around, add some new stuff, you okay?
So he goes, yeah, fine.
I go, whoop. Because they used to do that to us.
All the time. Oh, we would come in and you'd just get new pages.
Yep. And then shoot the scene five minutes later.
Yeah, they would view the pages and sometimes we talked about this, the pages would be hot because I just can't buy it off the copier.
And we'd drop them some, ow, ow, ow, out.
Now change your lines.
That you have learned and you've been having a tape recorder play at three in the morning to you.
Do you remember the backdrop?
That right off of where my desk and Kate's desk was and that where the screen is.
You could walk, you could sneak around the back I can to the green room from behind it.
You know, that's set up like that.
I walked back like that after they told me this and I put my hands up to, okay here it is, and I said I've come this far, I'm going to do this.
And once we started that with Steve, it was like into battle you know?
And there was some improvisation on that scene because I was paraphrasing my life because I was desperate.
Well you knocked it out of the park Creed.
Yeah. Well Creed you started out as a musician.
And a very long, successful career as a musician, how did you even end up on the show in the first place as our stand ...
Background person. I was working on Bernie Mac, and Ken Qappas came on to direct an episode, and they'd been using me for all these little vignettes.
And if you ever watch old Bernie Mac, you'll see me all the time in the background mudding up.
Okay, I really want to see that one.
I'm always in the background doing some stupid stuff, they didn't allow me because I made Bernie laugh.
I made him laugh. So Ken was talking about this guy's funny and he heard from Joe Moore the first AT, that I was in the grassroots.
So he was sent to Amoeba for some albums for me to sign because he's a big grassroots fan.
And we started talking and we talked about music and he's very knowledgeable, that I found out that he was doing the Office of American Workplace and I was a big fan at the Ricky Gervais Show.
So I, he gave me his number.
Now I've never ever called anybody like that before.
But I called him, because my intuition said, this is feels right.
This is feels right.
And Ken would not have given you his number.
I feel like Ken is so discerning.
Oh my God. If he didn't mean calmly.
Yeah, so he did. And so he talked to Greg and then I talked to Ken Lighter.
And he said, well, I talked to Greg.
I told him you're a very interesting and funny guy.
He said, well, what we'll do, and this is Greg's words, we'll put him in the background and see if we can work him into the mix in that first time.
That was working in the mix, that's all I need to hear.
That's why I took Liberty's just pretending that I was part of the group and that paid off.
Oh, I love that. Oh, that is so cool.
That is awesome. What's next?
Should we do a summary?
Jenna, do you have one?
You know I do, yes!
So in this episode, Halloween, Michael is told that he must fire someone during the month of October due to cutbacks at Thunder Mifflin.
But in true Michael fashion, he waits until the very last day of October which also happens to be Halloween.
He also has no idea who to fire.
He has not made a decision.
He spends the entire episode trying to figure out what to do while the rest of us are dressed in our costumes for the Halloween Party.
I love that so much.
I love the juxtaposition of that someone is going to get fired while wearing a ridiculous costume.
And they're going to have to go home fired in that outfit.
Well, I have a fast fact about this episode.
Fast fact number one, Greg Daniels wrote this episode.
And he told me that the inspiration for this episode was that he had always wanted to do a story about someone being fired, but from the point of view of the boss, rather than the employee.
He felt like we always see stories of people being fired and how they're wrestling with having been fired.
But he was like, you never see what it does to the boss, that's the genius of Greg Daniels right there.
Well, the problem that this plot presented for Greg was that he was going to have to fire someone on the show.
He was gonna have to pick a Dunder Mifflin employee to be part of the plot.
Well, he couldn't fire any of the series regular characters because we all had contracts.
contracts, and he didn't want to fire any of the supporting cast, even though at this point you guys still did not have your fulltime contracts.
No, we did, we didn't become series regulars till booze cruise.
So listen, we were all on the chopping block.
Were you a little worried when you told those guys?
Oh maybe. Well Greg didn't have any intention of losing them, he didn't want to lose anyone in the warehouse.
But he also told me he didn't want to hire someone new that you'd never seen on the show just to fire them.
He felt like those stakes would feel very manufactured.
So he turned to our two background actors, Creed and Devin.
Creed and Devin, yes.
He was like, well, these guys are very well established on the show at this point.
This is where I'd like to know what happened.
Because I know the end of this story, which is that Greg found out that Devin had a theater contract coming up that he was going to go on tour.
Right with a play and so that's what Devin said.
Yeah at the time though they told us One of you guys will have to go And but we don't know yet we're just gonna do that we're gonna shoot you both and we'll see how it works out Yeah, oh my god.
Wait, they're gonna shoot the scene They know that we're gonna shoot we're gonna shoot the thing because they could have gone back and changed it.
I'm sure Oh cuz Michael could have said you know what I said yeah that it was creed in its creed You can't change my mind.
But it was going to be one of us.
But it was going to be one of us.
And I remember I remember being a little nervous.
Yeah. Yeah. And Devin and I were friends.
We become friends by this time.
Well, sure. And by the way, I'm the finale.
I'm jumping ahead a lot.
I don't know if I could kind of jump ahead.
Yeah, I can. When Greg brought me into the office to find out what I wanted to do for the Pre -Character, I said, well, one thing I'd like to do sing the song six but my song but I also think we should have Devon back on the show and uh ongoing yeah yeah we get together sometimes you know yeah coffee
and stuff like that i was feeling nervous because i couldn't feeling bad that i might have to go but also that Devon might have to go too so it was a mixed mixed blessings and all that stuff all right fast fact number two this is the first time we see Pam's hair down instead of her usual half up half
With the cat ears. With the cat to me is so important.
Yeah. Oh, well then Creed...
Then Creed, you're gonna love some of my note cards.
Phat's important, buckle in.
Yeah, yeah. But this was a huge deal.
Kim Ferry, our hair stylist and me and Greg and Paul Feig, we all had a meeting about Pam's hair and if we could let her hair down.
And it was, I mean, it must have been 30 minutes.
We talked about it.
There was a lot of concern that she might look too pretty with her hair down And I can't remember how we got permission Kim was delighted I mean Kim had been putting my hair in a hair clip now for like 12 episodes or something She was so thrilled to be able to scrunch it do something different anything
Anything different and it was kind of a big deal So well, they were playing down both your beauties all the time with the way they dressed you and put you.
That's right Did everyone hear that?
No. Did you fight? That's true.
Creed F says they played down our beauty.
But it's true did toward the end, did you guys lobby for...
Come on. Just let it show a little bit of you know.
I remember really warning lip gloss.
Yeah, something like that.
So, what's funny to me is that that was a 30 minute meeting about your hair.
Meanwhile I go to hair and makeup and they put on full enormous, purple, fake eyelashes on me.
If you look at me as this cat, I have big purple eyelashes.
They were so huge. I had a hard time like, even navigating them like, When I watched the episode, I look a little sleepy.
I think it's because I couldn't and opened my eyes.
No meeting. No meeting.
They just put, I was like, are you sure?
They just put them on me.
And then one of the writers walked up to me.
I can't remember who and was like, do you have purple?
It's probably Mindy.
She was like, do you have purple lashes on?
I'm like, she might've been jealous.
Yeah. Yeah, she wanted them.
She would want those purple lashes.
No one said anything.
Why is Angela Martin putting on purple, fake eyelashes?
Everyone was too busy meeting about my hair.
Yes, yes. All right.
Fast fact number three, Creed, I don't know if you remember this, Angela, I think maybe you do.
The week we shot the Halloween episode, Ricky Javers and Stephen Merchant visited one day.
I know this because I have a photograph with them In your cat outfit?
In my cat. And Jim is three hole punch Jim, but you can't really see the holes because he's got his arm around someone.
It's a whole picture of our producers and Rickey and Stephen and me and John and I am the only person wearing a costume.
I like to imagine that they came to see me in a play where I played a cat or something… Your one act play?
Because we look like we're standing backstage.
You were the only one in a costume.
This is how I know this because I only have two pictures of myself with Rickey and Stephen and one of them is me and a cat costume.
I remember that they were there because I can still, my ears still hurt from that high Castralto, I straight teach your face the laugh.
That's such a good impression.
He laughed. He laughed at everything.
He laughed at every time.
It was like some coffee.
Oh, by the way, ladies and gentlemen, he is the sweetest man and just a, just a joy.
Alright. Those are my fast facts.
That's our summary.
Maybe we should do we need that bathroom break?
Let's do a bathroom break.
Let's do a bathroom break.
I could use one. Long.
By the way, I just wanna say I just love these fast facts.
Oh, well then if you love the fast facts, get ready for the note cards Creed.
Oh my God. I can't wait.
Be still in my throbbing heart.
Okay. You sounded a little weird when you said it like that.
It started to be weird and then I drift it away.
Okay. Go to the bathroom.
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All right. Let's get into some note cards.
Can we... Let's get into the episode.
Let's do it. I have a note card from the cold open.
Oh. What is the cold open of this episode?
okay, so the cold open is, you say that Jan called and he's like, oh and Michael has to go in cause he knows he has to fire someone.
And so he calls Jan and her assistant Sheri answers the phone.
And Sheri has so much good sas, she's like, okay well who are you gonna fire?
And he goes, well I'm not really sure.
And she's like, we just need the name.
Jan needs the name.
Jan needs the name.
And then he's like, who would you fire?
And she's like just give me the name and then and then he thinks he's hung up and he's like, I'd like to fire you And she goes still here Right.
He's like, I wish I could fire Sherri, Sherri I mean, I want to know who Sherri is.
Who is Sherri? Yes, I thought the same thing.
So the first thing I did I went to IMDB Internet Movie Database I did too, I looked up this episode un -credited, who is Sherri?
Who is Sherri? I reached out to Dave Rogers He was the editor for this episode.
You guys, he knows everything about The Office!
He didn't know That is saying something, cuz he is like He knows everything He's in a Bible of the show He's an encyclopedia - control cat No one knows Listen to what Dave did Dave reached out to Allison Jones Our casting director Who went to her storage facility Oh My Lord Found the contracts for this episode Looked
It up Wow Allison!!
thank you Oh my gosh.
Alison, you're like an episode of the Pelican brief in Episode.
It is. The movie. CSI The Office.
You're like CSI The Office.
It is Lisa Malone. Okay.
And by the way, this was shot on September 13th, 2005.
Wow. Well, Lisa, you were fantastic.
As Sheri. You killed it.
You killed it, as Sheri.
Man. And, Alison, thank you.
Thank you for being our CSI The Office.
I want to go back, Angela, because I have a note that precedes your note card.
Was it at Five Seconds?
Is it the shot of Devin and Creed at their desks?
The establishing shot.
Yes, yes. I noticed it too.
The second shot of this episode is Creed and Devin at their desks.
I have to imagine this was not an accident.
That they wanted to drive home Devin and Creed, since we know that one of you, yeah.
It was well -placed.
It's Phyllis putting on makeup and then it goes to Devin and Creed at their deck.
The scene with Michael and Pam, do you guys remember how he's wearing the second head?
Yes. When he... Oh, I have the card.
Pam goes in his office and he tells her that he needs to fire someone and then he sort of implies maybe it could be her.
Oh, I have two cards from this scene.
So Pam decides to quickly start flattering him.
She pivots hard. About his costume and then she just gets out of the room as quickly as possible.
I could not get through that scene, listen, and Steve is funny enough on his own, but Steve with that extra Steve on his shoulder.
It was too much, and it wobbled in a sort of weird way.
He was wobbling it on purpose.
He loved it, he loved wobbling that.
Any time you give him a little cat, some on guys, that was a great, that's what she said.
Come on. He loves wobbling things.
He loved wobbling that thing.
That's what she said.
We got it back. We got it, we got it back.
Creed, what did I write at three minutes, 12 seconds?
Oh my God, Pam is diabolical.
Her turn to flattery when she realizes Michael would fire her.
Wow! Diabolical. I see a real devious streak at Pam.
I want to just comment if I may.
Please! The brilliance of Steve Carell, the pain and the anguish in his face when he's getting ready to fire someone, you can just see it there.
He's just dying. He's absolutely dying.
He's not acting. He's like to me.
He looked like a amount is suffering suffering And you know recogniemen of death It's interesting you bring that up Creed because we've talked a lot about how Michael wants to be popular He wants to be friends with people.
He wants to be the life of the party But I think this episode goes beyond that that it isn't just that he knows that it's gonna be he's gonna not be well liked by the person he fires, I think it really like I I think it touches on something.
He really doesn't want to hurt someone else.
Yep, that's exactly right.
So it's deeper than that just unpopularity.
I was moved by his performance and that, yeah.
Same. Yeah, he crushed it.
I get more pictures at Halloween of Pam as a cat and Jim as three hole punch.
I think that is the most popular Halloween costume that I get sent to me.
I get my myself well Angela Martin and an argyle sweater like with the turtleneck and a head band holding a stuffed animal cat next to some guy in a mustard shirt and his hair parted down the middle, what about you Creed?
I'd get the Joker the Joker Oh, then when when Brian comes climate Creed and he hip checks you know, that's a later episode Yeah, you guys are both dressed in the same costume.
Oh, yeah. oh that, that's a recurring thing.
Brilliant, brilliant.
Angela, I want to talk to you about your costume.
Okay, Michael comes over to accounting, you're dressed as a cat, there's 3 cats, Phyllis is a cat, I'm a cat, you're a cat.
Yes, actually we can do really quickly the run down of costumes, Kelly is Dorothy, Phyllis, Pam and Angela are cats, Dwight is a Sith Lord, Kevin are the Dunder Mifflin superhero.
Uhh Creed is a vampire.
Oscar is a lady. Yeah, I don't know if ...
he's a character lady or just a lady.
I think he's a lady.
He's just a lady. Jim is three hole punch.
Jim Stanley, no costume.
Ryan the temp, no costume and of course Michael has the two heads.
And Devin and Devin was a Tramp.
And Devin was a Hobo.
Yeah, Angela why does your cat only have two lines for whiskers and not three?
Jenna, I don't know why does my cat have purple fake eyelashes?
Why does your cat have weird cat ears?
I mean, you, I just want to say that as the resident cat lady of the office, I think you had the worst cat costume.
Why do I have a fuzzy, white skirt?
Why? With a giant tail that was almost impossible to sit in.
It was so... And the skirt didn't quite fit me, and it kept, like, heading south.
I had to keep, like, grabbing it and yanking it up.
It almost ruined the whole episode, that whole cat thing.
It did. I think now there was such a big meeting about your hair that my cat costume was just like, eh I just put this on her.
But you ended up wearing that costume like two more times.
For years for years.
And it's the worst one, it really is.
I have a vague memory, a very, very vague memory of being in makeup and having them discuss how they were gonna differentiate the three different cats.
And it was decided that Phyllis and I would have three whiskers on each cheek and you would only have two.
My cat was maimed. I feel like that happened.
I don't know if we can ask Laverne.
Laverne was our makeup artist.
I don't know. I don't know.
But I mean, I just think you had...
You were smaller that you deserve three.
They decided to give me less.
I have to... It was a Taist reference.
While we're talking about this scene in accounting, I have to point out that we don't always do a full -character slow -pand.
Uh -huh. And they do such a hilarious one, they start at asked at Kevin's feet and they go all the way to his head while he's filing to get him in full red lead hard.
With the socks and the bulging and wrong areas.
Oh, my gosh. It's great.
There's a great slow -pand of Kevin.
We should say we loved dressing up in these Halloween costumes because our outfits normally were pretty boilerplate almost like we were uniforms in a way and our wardrobe people Loved to love the wardrobe crew loved getting to dress us because they it was just a great turtleneck Angela give us a note
Kurt. All right, at 5 minutes 23 seconds K raid This is a runner.
This is a reference to a runner, but this is a really big deal.
What Kelly has braided like pigtails.
Her hair is down! Her hair is down.
Her hair is down. Oh my gosh.
It's not in a bun. I remember.
Mindy had a bun for like the whole first season and then about, I guess it was like a twist.
A French twist I think.
I mean, her character really changes her look and then she starts having her hair down, she gets a little sassy but this has been a big thing, we've been wondering when did they change her hair?
This is the beginning.
I see, I don't think this counts cause it's a Halloween costume.
Yeah. I don't have to say I'm with Jenna.
Thank you. It doesn't count.
Well, I don't know if I like you here, Creed.
All of a sudden I have someone, DeVito, two against one.
Oh, fart. Well I got pretty excited because her hair was down.
It was a costume though.
It wasn't a record day at the character thing.
That's what I'm saying.
That's why we're talking to Jenna or Creed.
I don't know anymore.
He doesn't apply. All right.
You know the scene where Pam and Jim set up a resume for Dwight to get a job someplace else?
I have a fan question about that.
RCJH asked, what were you typing on the computer when you and Jim were working on Dwight's resume?
I was typing what we were saying.
Of course you were Jenna.
Of course you were.
Cause you're so method.
I was very method. You're like, I am a responsibility.
You would type out your line on that computer while you're doing it.
Yeah because Jim would say, like I would say, what should we say here?
And then he would say what we should say and I would type it and I, see, here's the thing.
I'm very proud of my typing skills.
We know, we know. Yeah, Creed, do we know, or do we know?
We really know. Now I'm back on your side, Angela.
Thank you, Creed. Is this how it feels?
Yes, yes. This is how it feels each other.
We need to walk in this thing with just your fingers, we'd be talking about stuff at the CraftIllaser.
And your fingers would be going like your typing.
Oh now that is not true.
It was too much. Tone in town.
And then you would tell us about your typing speed and your level of accuracy." Boing!
Well, you should know I was typing our actual lines...
Well, I think that's pretty great though because she could, and I can and I will.
And you're fast too.
She's very fast. Michael's seen with Dwight when he calls Dwight into his office and he tells Dwight that he has to fire someone and Dwight starts naming all the people he should fire.
But then, Michael implies maybe it should be Dwight.
And then Michael's second head starts talking to Dwight.
Do you remember, do you remember Steve and Rain laughing during that scene?
Because I do, I remember they could not get through that scene.
I'm sitting out at reception in the background and they were cracking themselves up in there.
Rain was literally doubling over.
Because he was like kind of leaning forward and he would just like collapse into himself, he was laughing so hard.
There must be deleted scenes of that scene.
Oh man! I would love to see that.
I would love to see that.
That is a funny scene.
Well, Paul Feig called in, when we did Office Olympics, and he said one of the things he loved, about directing episodes of our shows, is that you could really find a shot that was cool, and you would have the support of Greg, to just kinda go with it.
And he sort of found that shot where Dwight as the Sith Lord, has his hood kind of like, it looks like it's straight out of the movie, you know?
Yes. And they just loved that.
We shot from the side, right?
Yes, shot from the side, and they sort of just found that and went with it, and Greg was totally supportive of it, and Paul was talking about how fun that was to have that creative freedom and find those little nuggets, and it's so cool -looking.
We have a lot of shots like that, they're just more of the cookie cutter, stereotyped, sitcom-, we get interesting shots - Yeah.
because our cameramen were so great.
And something that we haven't talked about on the show yet is the idea of actor marks.
So, usually on a television show so that they can get these shots, they put a little piece of tape on the ground and if for example, if Jim had to walk up to Pam's desk, there would be a little mark on the ground and he would have to stand exactly on that mark.
And it's really hard to do, I mean, do you guys find it hard to do?
I feel like I'm always looking down for the tape and then I get to my spot and I look up.
It's like a hard thing to manage.
While on our show we did not have that.
They would just let us wander.
they would say just walk up in this general area and the camera will find you.
It was so loosey goosey, so amazing.
Didn't you say you were in a band called loosey goosey?
I was in a band called loosey goosey.
I wasn't. You were not.
I was in a band with Peter White who used to play with Al Stewart and he probably still does.
We had a band with Dave Camp on sacks, and I remember we played the rat party for this movie I did with, worked on with Beau Bridges at the beach house at Lloyd Bridges House.
Lucy goosey, we played out there and they were dancing out there.
Like Annette Funichelo and the surf and stuff.
Oh my gosh, Creed, we just need you to just sit here and tell us about all your stories.
Creed, you're literally the most interesting life.
I have a fan question for you.
I'm a fascinating character.
You are and humble too.
This is a fan question from Todd Myers and this feels like a good place to ask it.
Who is the biggest rockstar you ever partied with during your touring days?
It maybe doesn't have to be the biggest.
No! It's what's the most interesting.
There was a couple that lived there yesterday.
I lived for a while at the Cameron's Highland Estates and Linda Ronstadt was there, Lauren Nero was there, Jackson Brown.
There was a lot of people playing at this place and lived there and they would play their instrument.
You hear the instruments going around the Cameron Highland Estates and Butch Trucks from the Allman Brothers was there and, one night, Butch came over.
Wait. I'm so sorry.
Are you all live together?
No, we lived at the States and in little bungalows … You could rent these bungalows to the Camrose Highland States, now it's been fixed up a little bit.
It's right next to the veterans foreign war place, I think, right on the Highland Boulevard, right on the Highland Boulevard, right off to get up the freeways right there.
And like a lot of artists living up here.
A lot of artists were living there, so Butch Trucks from the Almond Brothers came over or one night and Griffin from Bred, and Jesse Ed Davis, who played with John Lennon came over one night and we jammed.
We jammed for hours, and hours, and hours, and hours, and there was a lot of heavyweight guitar players there at that night.
And remember, butch wanted me to go back to Alabama and be the lead singer for this group Cowboy, but that never happened.
Creed, your life is amazing.
Jenna, I don't know that we would have been hip enough to hang out there.
We would not. Yes. Well, I have a card right here.
Tell me. Seven minutes, 44 seconds, Creed.
We have some PPC right.
Oh, I got it down. Pam versus Angela.
Angela sass? Angela sass.
But also, same category.
Same category. What?
I get this. So my character says, you brought brownies?
What did you bring?
And you're like, I brought brownies.
Brownies. But I brought cookies.
Same category. Yeah.
Same category. You should've brought something savory.
You know, I'm happy with.
Is that what you say in the thing?
Same category? I say same category.
I don't remember that.
Well, I mean, I feel like there's a backstory missing here.
Did you assign me something other than brownie?
I'm sure I did. That's your implication Yes.
You're implying that I went rogue and brought brownie instead of chips and dip.
I clearly did. Don't you say where's the chips and dip or something.
I clearly at some party planning committee meeting said, all right, I will make sugar cookies Why don't you bring the dip in chips and then you show up at these frickin brownies.
How dare you? Wait, Sam Can we see that?
those aren't chips and dip No, I made brownies What I'm just trying to figure out why you're sabotaging things I I made brownies and I made cookies same category.
All right after watching that clip, I will admit, I think Pam did go a little rogue, clearly you assigned me chips and dip.
Thank you. Yeah, thank you.
Same category. Yeah, same category.
All right, I needed to hear that because I think Jenna if it was your house and you were having a party you would this like you would be like, hey, come on.
Yeah. All right, guys.
I think we should go to a break and then we'll come back and finish the episode.
All right create how are you doing?
I'm doing wonderful.
Oh my god, I love having you here create I do too And we are back with my delightful neighbor and an office favorite Craig, we're going to make you come back on this podcast all the time.
I hope you're real.
You know what? We could car pool.
We could pick you up.
You're like, Oh my god, Angela lurking, lurking these office ladies.
Um, you guys, do you remember the scene where Kim takes a phone call from a potential employer for Dwight and he does a Michael Scott impression?
It's really good. John does a very good job.
It's at eight minutes, 34 seconds.
Oh, you've got the time code.
Guys, is this when we find out that Michael's middle name is Gary?
Oh, is this the first time it's said?
Because he says, Michael g.
Scott, Michael Gary Scott?
Yeah. I don't know.
I don't know. Because later we had the scene where we showed the him as a little boy and he just did all the love that he wanted because he wanted a family.
That's later, right?
Yeah, yeah. Okay, that was Gary.
We knew Gary there.
That might be the first time.
I don't know. I don't know.
All that quiet love.
I'm putting it out there.
Our fans will know.
Our fans will let us know for sure.
I loved the scene, I just thought that John crushed it.
As Michael Scott. And it also had the Jim and Pam air high five.
The first. The first.
The air high five. I'm getting, Creed is getting misty, misty eyed.
I got, I've literally when I saw it.
I think I audibly said out loud to no one, aww.
Yeah. Yeah, super cute.
Okay. So I have a question about the air high five.
Say it. So I was trying to do the air high five with my daughter, Isabelle now granted.
She's 11 I'm 48 maybe if we our timing's off.
We couldn't get it's difficult.
You guys did it perfectly.
Yeah. And you know what?
We kind of did it perfectly the first time it was meant to be it was that speaks to our chemistry I believe.
So shortly after this momentous air high five, very sadly, Pam tells Jim he should go for the job at Cumberland Mills.
But the job is in Maryland, and he is so hurt.
This happens a lot with you guys.
Yeah, him going off to do a job, did you?
Recurring theme, right?
It is because he's, you know, later he's gonna go off to the other branch and then later to New York and do that stuff with the sports thing, right?
It kept happening. And then you go to art camp or school - Art camp?
I went to a university thank you very much!
plaster of paris making place, geez yes they constantly are being pushed together and pulled apart right?
yeah they are always yeah it's true but sometimes just through a comment we're seeing in this second season in each episode there seems to be a really sweet moment with Jim and Pam and then a moment where someone gets their feelings hurt a little because there are so many feelings Feelings But then
at the end Jim admits that if it weren't for Pam he would take the job at Cumberland Mill's, because the pay is twice as much, it's a better job, yada yada So why is he staying?
He just basically admitted why he stays at this job Yeah Yeah, what was the one where he admitted that crabs or his favorite food so he was going to do this Maryland but that was it.
That was the crab thing.
Soft shelled crab are apparently one of his favorites.
Who knew? Who eats that tuna sandwich every day for lunch?
So he is a seafood fan.
So he just stinks all the time.
And he could've called him Crab if he wanted to.
Oh, crabby. Jim eats tuna sandwiches and Pam eats sour cream and onion chips.
Wow. And I eat Mung beans, apparently.
Wow, what is there, the smell of this often?
Oh dear. All right.
So finally Michael asked for Jim's help and he wants to do some roleplaying.
Where he tries to fire someone.
And that is just a delicious scene.
Oh, did you enjoy that one?
Oh how did John get through it is what I want to know when when like Steve is Michael is like I'm gonna kill myself and he's like wait is this us, you who are you.
What is happening? So John has to check in.
And this brings us to your big scene includes.
Oh, here we are. This is it.
After that scene, he calls you in and tell us.
Break it down for us.
What was it like to sit in that chair?
And now you're going to launch into five pages with Steve Carell.
Right. Right. I mean, I never had five pages with Steve carell.
Or six -and -a -half you said.
Six and a half. Six -and -a -half originally may have cut it down.
But it was like, it took a long time.
It took hours to get through that.
And I mean, I never had more than a few lines with him one -on -one, so, yeah, let's hear about it.
Uh, well, first of all, there was a scene where I slowly take out the teeth, you know?
And I resolved myself, I gird my loins, and I stand up within the Resolute.
I march in like, uh, Nesferatu, you know?
With a purpose. Are these some of your, uh, notes that you wrote in your script?
No, no. You're not on?
No I... This is just some story - telling Senna!
It's the B Story. Story -telling.
I'm into the story right now.
Yeah, go. Yes, exactly.
So... So you march in...
So I march in and then I, I remember I sit, I sit back like this and I put my, crossed my feet and I kind of housed down and I have my arms crossed because I'm protecting myself from attack like this and he goes, well, Krit, I just don't like this.
And I says, well, then you want to leave.
He says, nope, no, I don't know.
Yes you do not know I don't.
You're the hardest person to fire ever.
Leave no, not really.
No. I know. I'm very happy here.
I said, Krit, I've gotta fire somebody and it's gotta be, well then fire Kevin.
You know, He's horribly the job, you know?
I'm so much better at my job.
And I'm doing The Creed voice right now, too.
It goes up a bit, you know?
And then I just fought for my survival.
And we kept doing it over, and over, and over.
And finally, and Steve is so great.
It's like, you've all done scenes where people were just, it's forcing it.
It's so hard to get through a scene.
Yeah. Working with Steven kept tossing me like these big beach balls.
I had a Nerf bat, which is easy, it was easy to hit those things.
God bless him. He's a very giving...
He's a very giving person, you know, and when you're in scenes with him, he's so eager for you to get the laugh.
He doesn't... Some actor's guys out there, they want to get a laugh.
No, no. They want that moment, and Steve is so eager to share it, and really just what makes the scene work, is what he focuses on.
But Dave Rogers later, he said...
He made him laugh the most, is when I stood up, and he said, ''No, no!
You're doing a good job.
good for you. I play, I played my finger.
And now again, all that stuff was just off the top of the edge.
Yeah. Well, when I, when I rewatched it, I was like, Oh, that is creed, that is classic.
That is just creed being creed.
Yeah, yeah, that that is actually.
Yeah. Cause I felt like you've left me voicemails where you're like, hey, po assume I was just stuttering perhaps too.
You were doing a bit, I was doing a bit.
Yeah. No, but still I look at that with fond memory.
So it's a great and I and I thank Steve so much for being so gracious as an actor to work with You know, so after that scene Michael does fire Devon, right in a much shorter scene Devon gets so angry he Announces to the office if anyone wants to join me at poor Richards Barr Poor Richards bars this the first
mention of poor Richards Barr well.
He says he gives him a chili He gives me but she says Michael gives him a chilli Nice nod back to the Dundee's He rips it up.
He rips it up, yeah.
but have we, because we end up mentioning poor Richard's bar over and over again and we go there eventually, but have we mentioned it yet, oh, in the basketball episode.
I think Daryl suggests that we all get drinks at poor Richards.
Okay. In that scene though, we're Devin invites everyone to poor Richards.
There's three people he does not invite.
Oh yeah. You're right.
He lists a bunch of names.
Who did he? Is he very personal?
Who is it? Who are they?
He does not invite Michael.
He does not invite Dwight.
He does not invite Angela.
He doesn't invite you.
Be quiet. There's nothing, there's an arbitrary.
Well... I'm sure...
I'm sure I've been", you know, bitchy to him at some point.
He... I'm sure. Or maybe he just knew you wouldn't go?
Maybe so. Well... He might have had a crush on you too.
Oh come on. No, he might have, never know.
So he leaves and he smashes a pumpkin.
There we go. Pumpkin, pumpkin!
On Michael's carpenter!
That was fun. And when we go downstairs, we see Hank, the security guy, at the security desk who was played by Hugh Dane.
God rest his peace.
Yes. We passed away a couple years ago.
He was so nice. Yep.
And just a sweetheart.
It was just so great as Hank.
His delivery was always perfect.
Is this the first time we see Hank at the security desk?
I think so. He has to be.
You guys leave to go to the dojo.
You don't see him. No.
Well, it's brilliant because there he is and he's sitting there and it's another example of introducing a character in an episode where they don't speak, but they will eventually, yeah, they will come back.
He did that with so many people.
He did that with Craig in the warehouse in the alliance.
You just see him in the background watching Dwight Pop out of the box.
Crete of course, you were in the background forever and then And now Hugh Dain in the background is the security officer.
Just so thoughtful.
And and this thing that I love about our show and we've talked about Creed is that Gregg had the audience just start in the middle.
He doesn't explain things to you.
You discover it as you go.
It's not spoon -fed information.
Yes. I love that. Well, I had I, I don't think we can end this episode without talking about Michael's list of former costumes.
Oh, please list them.
Okay. he's really really bummed the camera crew wasn't there the Halloween before when he was Janet Jackson's boob he's really bummed you guys missed it when he was Monica Lewinsky's hahaha twice and then he was Monica Lewinsky the year before yes and then before that he was Oh Jay Simpson so where does
he great costumes that he was really sad the camera crew missed, I know you're I want to talk about very in with Michael and the trick -or -treaters, because it's just such a touching moment.
I cried every time.
I did, too. I do, too.
Every time. I was loving the show, and then when I got to that episode, he just killed me, and I said, oh my God, this is a perfect episode.
It's one of the great ones, you know?
Yes, at the end of the episode, Michael goes home, and you see him sitting alone, very lonely on the couch, and then the doorbell rings, and there are trick -or -treaters at at the door.
And there was a big debate on set about how exactly this scene should play out – about whether or not the kids should be nice to Michael or if they should be annoyed by Michael.
How Michael should be with the kids.
Should he be off -putting, should he be kind?
And the writers and producers also well they also discussed if he should be happy or sad while handing out the candy.
And they decided that they were going to start on that spy shot of Michael looking sad and lonely all alone on Halloween night, but when he gets to the door...I'm gonna cry saying it, he lights up he, makes his silly jokes.
The kids laugh and...
The kids love him. They love him.
...and it ends on him making a connection.
I just think it is the most kind and heartbreaking wonderful scene.
I think it's moments like this that make The Office so special...
We just spend an entire episode kind of laughing at Michael Scott or finding him annoying, but then, in the end, he just breaks your heart with his vulnerability.
Take him all, don't, they drop him.
Don't worry, take him off, take him off.
Yeah, take him all, take them all and they love him.
Take all yours, yeah.
And uh, That's the first time we saw him, just so loving.
But really? Don't you think so?
At that moment, we saw his heart, we saw his heart come out there at that moment.
Well and you now tore me up, and you have to think that Michael is somewhere being a great dad.
Yeah. He's a great dad.
And I wish we could see that that's the one thing when we talk about a reunion obviously you know We don't want to tread on Hallowed ground that is the office and we don't want to mess with anything that that everyone loves so much But boy I would love to see where some of these people are and I would love
to see Michael as a dad Yes, yes, do you agree that when you watch that scene?
I think more than any other scene I can recall I See Steve.
Yes That is absolutely meant to handing out candy.
Absolutely, absolutely.
That's just kind -hearted gentlemen which he is.
Sweet man. And I think that's part of the reason, too, why it hits you that hard, Jenna, because we see our friend.
And we see the kind person he is that gets to shine through, which, often, as Michael Scott does no.
No, he is not. This is true.
He is not. Well, I have one little final piece of trivia in the credits at the end, as it rolls, over the D call D logo, which D is Greg's company.
His daughter Haley actually drew the picture that says, D, D when she was little you hear and it's the only time it ever happens.
Dwight's voice say quiet you.
Oh really? Don't we know why that happened?
But I think they loved it.
It's they pulled it from earlier in the episode when Dwight is the Sith Lord." And...
Is that the only time that they...
It's the only time there's dialogue over Daedal D.
Wow. Oh! I'm kind of moved by that.
That's kind of cool, right?
Quiet you. Quiet you.
Well, we did it, guys.
We did it. That was a Halloween episode...
Kreed! Thank you! Thank you so much for coming.
But before you go, will you tell us, what are you up to now?
What are you doing?
You have an album and you're touring?
I'm touring. I was in Europe.
UK and this in Scandinavia for a month touring and doing shows had like seven ...
so, I'm bragging now.
Seven sold -out shows for the UK.
I went great. I'm off to Australia New Zealand in February and then you did the whole East Coast because I was texting in you were like, Yeah, and the fans.
I want to thank all the Office fans for coming out and supporting my character and my music and it truly means a lot.
I have had my second childhood now doing this.
And by the way, I have a surprise for you ladies.
What? I brought a which I think may be the single.
If there's going to be a single from my, I'm going to play you a little snippet if you'd like, of the album.
Can we do this in there?
Can I play it right now for you?
And you guys, before he plays the song, I just want to encourage you if Creed is coming to a town near you, go see his show, it is fantastic and apparently he also makes fun of me during it.
Quite a bit. Enjoy, yes.
And we are trying to figure out one of your locations where I can come on stage and give it to you, right back.
Oh we… Where can people find the schedule?
Creedbratton .com. We love your Creed.
All right, let's hear it.
All right, here we go and the ride!
You taught me how, you taught me then How I could one day be your friend It's not so hard, just don't lie Don't control, then by and by All right, that's that song there it is gang.
What do you think? Angela sobbing.
I just started crying.
the song is so beautiful Creed, but also and I totally am it emotional, but Oh my god it might be too emotional.
Oh Well, you know what it just do you ever have just like a wave hit you where you're like You know, you're in a special moment.
Yeah, yes, and it just hit me I hate what the two of you today.
Yeah, I feel like we're in a special moment it just really special and like something I'll always remember and I'm Facing my best friend who is now my boss lady business partner I'm so proud of us and this journey we have taken together and then I just love you Cree.
Aw, I love you Susie.
You're like, you know, being a new family.
Well, ladies and gentleman when the last album I did I have a song called More Than You Know and the first people I ever played for it was for you and Josh.
It's your house. I came over and acoustically played it and she started crying.
I started crying. I knew I had a winner then.
Well Creed, some of my favorite memories on the set were at lunchtime, when you would play guitar and Ed would play banjo.
Ed's trailer was next to mine, you'd go to go in his trailer, the two of you would play through my lunch.
You can come over and hang out.
For years my alarm clock is banjo music because it would make me think of you guys and sometimes especially when I was pregnant.
If we had a little break, I might take a cat nap and I'd wake up to banjo music.
And it was like, so pleasing that I made my alarm clock banjo, cause I thought, well, maybe I won't wake up grumpy.
Chad and I had so much fun.
He's a great banjo player.
I haven't played with him in a long time because he we work on all the time but I would love to.
Oh yeah, you guys were great together.
You know, well thank you again.
Thank you so much for having me, my dear friends.
Kreek, can we end with a final fan question?
Yes, of course. This is from Tim Blair.
Tim asked, do you have a favorite Creed line from the whole show?
Which one's Pam? Which One question, Pam?
Oh my gosh, I don't know.
It probably would be Someone Making Soup or Which One's Pam?
I think, Ashley, I would have to be.
Uh, in the sixties, I made love to many, many women, often outdoors in the rain and the mud.
It's possible a man slipped in.
There'd be no way of knowing from the boot.
And that is how you end an episode.
Creed. Thank you Creed.
Oh, everyone please join us next week when we will be talking about the fight.
The fight. We'll miss you Creed.
You have to come back.
I'd love to come back.
Okay. Thank you for listening to Office Ladies Second Drink.
This episode was initially created in collaboration with Earwolve.
Office Ladies is a presentation of Odysee, and it's produced by Jenna Fisher and Angela Kinsey.
Our Executive Producer is Cassy Jorkins.
And our Audio Engineer and Associate Producer is Nadiela Silva.
Odysee's executive producers are Jenna Wise -Verman and Leah Reis -Dennis.
Office Ladies is mixed and mastered by Chris Battle.
Our theme song is rubber tree by Creed Bratton
