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Let's go places. Hello everyone, welcome to our second drink for basketball Angela, you told me that you found a fun scene in our shooting draft for this episode that we never talked about before.
I did. It's a Pam and Jim scene so here's the deal.
In the episode when Michael goes up to reception and says Pam pam thank you Ma 'am.
Yes. And then Dwight quickly approaches to ask him if he can be on the basketball team.
… Well, this whole moment of front reception was longer, and it had one of those cute little flirty Jim and Pam moments.
There's a lot of those in the early seasons.
There are. Here's how it was written.
So this would have happened before Michael gets to work.
Okay. Interior office reception.
Pam and Jim are listening to the same phone headset, their heads touching.
They are smiling, clearly enjoying what they're hearing.
Jim, the camera says, I'm listening to my boss try on pants.
Pam says, Michael must have bumped his cellphone last night.
So now we have a half an hour message of him at the mall.
Jim says, It's fantastic.
He glances to make sure Michael's door is closed, then he pokes a button to put it on speaker.
Everyone hears a loud scratching sounds.
Jim says, We've heard it four times, it's mostly silence but every now and then Pam goes shh.
And then you hear Michael saying, Do these once dice small?
And the sales lady says no.
And Pam and Jim react smiling.
There's some more fussing sounds from the speaker and then Pam goes, Okay, wait, here it comes.
Michael starts to softly sing to himself.
I love a -a -a -abachromed and a -fish!
Yeah, if I could have one wish!
A -a -abachromed and a -fish!
Pam and Jim look at each other with glee.
The voicemail system kicks on and says, End of message!
Press 1 to replay, and they both lunge to press 1.
Aw, early Jim and Pam Flirty!
And if you go to the SuperFam episode, there is a much smaller version of this that made it in.
Pam just says to Michael, nice pants, did you get those at upper crumbly.
Oh. Umm hmm. And if you watch it, I totally see John trying not to laugh in the background.
Mmm. Well I love any time Michael goes shopping, or buys jeans, or whatever.
Any Michael fashion moment.
Yes. Last thing I wanted to share is when we break down this episode, you and I get into a discussion about whether Dwight and Angela's relationship had started already.
Yeah. But lady we didn't include the deleted scenes in this discussion and there are a few extra ones that might prove they actually have not hooked up yet.
For example, Angela had a candy dish on her desk with Tootsie rolls in it and Dwight comes over to get some.
Oh, and also if you watch this, the candy dish if you zoom in is the blue cap paperclip holder that I had for the entire series.
Oh, but in this instance you had candy candy in it, not paperclips.
I had tootsie rolls in it, to be specific.
Let's hear the scene.
Mm. That's good. There one for person.
Would you like to have a vacation this year?
That's what I thought.
Yeah, delicious. that does not sound like someone who is dating someone no definitely not and Angela had even made a sign that says one per person and had stuck it in the dish and he's just ignoring it the way he was eating that gave me the ick oh I know it's pretty gross and it's tootsie rolls too
he was just putting as many as he can yeah and tootsie rolls really make you produce a lot of saliva.
Yeah. Yeah. So my second scene to prove that Angela gave me the ick.
Oh, I know it's pretty gross.
And it's Tootsie roles to he was just putting as many as he can was mou ofc.
Tootsie roles really make you produce a lot of saliva.
Yeah, yeah. So my second scene to prove that Angela Dwight aren't dating yet, comes during the basketball game, Dwight sits next to her during a time out, and he's wearing that protective mask.
and this is what Angela says to him.
is that really necessary I've almost had my nose broken a dozen times I mean she's repulsed by him I mean yes now I need to know when did she find her attraction to him did it turn I guess it's good we cut those out well those are some good extra tidbits Andch Cassie's got an extra tidbit for as well,
Cassie. Since this is the basketball episode and you are our resident basketball expert will you please share with us your office professional basketball player mash -up that you did?
Yeah, so I was watching this episode and I was just thinking like which office character is which like NBA WNBA Star and some of them worked really well.
Oh yeah. Yeah, so for Dwight he was the most easy I have to say he's Nicola Yoakmans aka the Joker basically he's from Serbia he comes over here he works really hard he's been MVP three times in a row and then he goes home and works on his farm and raises horses.
He doesn't wear a face mask though.
I don't think he's had to wear a face mask yet but yeah he definitely though on the court can do anything and Dwight kind of forces himself to do anything when they're playing basketball.
So you know, pretty similar.
For Michael Scott, I can't say he plays like any basketball player.
I hope you can't say that, I wouldn't want anyone to be the Michael Scott of their team.
He's not good. Mm -hmm, exactly.
But, I think in terms of personality, he's very close to LeBron James.
Oh! Yeah, he's kinda like a goofy guy and I've been watching Starting 5 And he talks about how like he loves to dress up for Halloween and he loves his family.
And right now this season, Brawny is playing on the Lakers with him.
I know. It's father's son.
Yeah. I think Michael Scott would have his son or sons play basketball with him for sure.
Oh, he'd be so excited.
I like that. I really hope that goes viral.
I hope this podcast is quoted.
Cassie Gerkin says Michael Scott, the Ron Drains is Michael Scott.
Hopefully you'll like that.
And then, for Jim, I think he's also another Laker, Austin Reeves.
And I'm saying this because last year, there was a game where he was playing against the Pistons.
And he accidentally landed on some beautiful women sitting courtside.
And he made them blush.
And then the rest of the game, any time he played really well, he would check in with them to see if they were checking him out.
And that's exactly how Jim was playing.
Yes, very gym to pam, right?
Yeah, exactly. So Stanley's dribble is iconic, super memorable.
So for him, I think he has very similar handles to James Harden and I say this with love because I'm a Clippers fan Drells Oh.
But James, his handles are kind of all over the place.
You don't know what's going to happen, but it ends up like most of the time being successful.
So I think with Stanley's dribble, everybody's like, what's happening can.
That's the reason. we're going to get mail.
I would love it. James Harden comes after me.
Okay. Cause I'm a fan.
And then notable mentions is, in this episode, two characters are like, Michael Disregards as being like, you can't play basketball.
And then it turns out, they're probably the best at basketball.
So Phyllis, I have to give a nod to being Caitlin Clark because in college, Yukon didn't recruit her.
So she ended up going to Iowa and now she's the greatest of all time.
And then, same thing happened with Kevin or Steph Curry where he also was overlooked in college and now he's the greatest shooter of all time.
Also I mean, Brian's three -point shot.
That's incredible. That's like Curry, he can just like throw anything from way out there and he's like in.
And that long take where he keeps hitting it and it's like nothing but net, there's no cuts.
That's incredible. I was so glad they got that on film and there's even more of it in deleted scenes.
amazing. Well, that was so fun, Cassie!
Thank you! We loved that!
Okay, well here is our breakdown of basketball.
And we have a Fantastic Office lady 6 .0 out on Wednesday.
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See you then! I'm Jenna Fisher and I'm Angela Kinsey.
We were on the office together and we're best friends and now we're doing The Ultimate Office rewatch podcast just for you.
Each week we will break down an episode of The Office and give exclusive behind the scene stories that only two people who were there can tell you.
We're the Office Ladies.
Dave quarrel. Oh my god, I'm here with my BFF.
We're gonna do this.
This is so cool. We are hanging out, talking about the office.
Oh my god. Is it weird that we're super fans of a show that we were on?
I don't think so because I think it's really good.
It is really good. It really makes me laugh.
For real, out loud still it holds up.
I know and it's hard to make me laugh, but you know what, we were surrounded.
it, I feel like we were on, like the comedy all star team and we were so lucky.
So basically here's what our podcast is about you guys.
We are going to watch an episode of The Office each week.
We would love it if you watch them, too.
And then we're going to talk about things that have guests come on, maybe some fun directors and maybe some of our writers and our cast members.
People that worked in the crew.
Now listen, we are probably not the expert be all experts on The Office like we like to think we are.
But you guys have watched it like 17 times all the way through.
I would lose a trivia contest to any fan.
I mean, I just met someone who said they'd watch the office 18 times all the way through.
I mean, that's pretty amazing.
So, if you're listening to this and you're like, hey, they didn't bring up the moment that Daryl said this.
You can send in questions and anything we don't talk about today, we'd be happy to make a little special side podcast?
What do you call that?
Let's call it the special sauce.
This is the entree.
But if you want to send in a question, we'll put it in our special sauce in a...
I like that. Well, and it's available on Stitcher Premium.
Jenna, who is the person you want to sit next to in any high school chemistry class, college class.
She is the note taker.
You don't watch Game of Thrones, so you will miss this reference.
But I feel like you would be like, Jenna Fisher, first of her name — keeper of the notes of the records.
I don't watch Game of Thrones, but I appreciate that.
Well, OK, well, you would be keeper of the notes.
And she has made some really great notes.
and we both went back and rewatched which episode, Jenna.
Today, we are discussing the basketball episode.
This is season one, episode five.
Boo -boo! It was written and directed by Greg Daniels.
That's right. Kaua, do you know what time it is?
Uh, it's time for Fast Facts.
Woo -hoo! Yeah, we've got some Fast Facts on the basketball episode.
That's your favorite part.
It's was Greg Daniels' directorial debut of The Office.
Not just any debut of directing...
Of all directing. So not just of The Office, but his debut debut.
Now he told me he had directed actors before for Voices on The Simpsons and King of the Hill.
He created King of the Hill for anyone who doesn't know that.
But this was his first time doing on -camera directing.
He would go on to direct 12 more episodes of The Office, but this was the first.
Yes, and I remember him showing up in his New Balance sneakers.
His great New Balance sneakers and his khaki pants.
Greg always wears anything he got for free.
so like his shirt might have said king of the hill his baseball hat minus of the Simpsons Mindy Kaling used to joke that he just wore all his swag all the time but he showed up so giddy and excited his enthusiasm and love for this show and this world and characters it was just so contagious I just loved it
so much it made me excited here's now a little BFF side note for you guys so Jen and I up until this point in the office we had that partition between us We've been speaking over the partition.
Over the partition.
But now, as we film basketball, we are now sitting next to each other on that bench.
It was Jena, me and Phyllis, sitting on that bench all day, next to each other.
For two solid days, and a day of filming is about 12 hours, so 24 solid hours on that bench.
And you say I just kept talking your ear off.
You would not stop talking to me.
Yes, the reason we are best friends is because Angela would not stop speaking to me.
I just finally gave up.
You wore me down. You wore me down.
No, but we told each other our life stories on that bench.
We did. 24 hours. It was like the bench of truth.
It was the bench of truth.
Everything you could possibly want to share, I whole never forget, we were leaving one night.
We had taped to a really late at night.
We'd had a long day and it was our day two.
So you and I have now talked for this of the full 24 hours.
And it's late at night and we had a walk from where the warehouse set was back to our trailers and it was a little bit of a walk, and we linked arms arm and arm, and we started doing the Laverne and Shirley song.
chamille, chamaisal!
I remember this! And we were going up and down and we were like, we're gonna do it!
gimme some chamille!
You remember why we were doing this?
Yeah! And I don't know why we worked, because we were goody we had lost our minds because we'd been in that warehouse for, you know, 24 hours but unbeknownst to us quietly walking behind us was Steve Corell, and we turned around and realized he'd watched us do this whole Laverne and Shirley song and dance,
but we started laughing because we were embarrassed and he looked at us and smiled and he said you guys no matter what happens with this show because we were on the chopping block Always on the job always on the chopping block that first season for sure and he was like no matter what happens with the show
This is what you guys will have from it he pointed at the two of us this friendship and I'll never forget it because he was right and you say This is the episode you have a photo that this is the the moment we became best friends I have a photo of us sitting on that bench from this episode framed in my
office. Aww .izing lady.
I know. That's so sweet.
And I have a sense memory of my butt falling asleep.
Oh, my butt fall asleep?
So many times. Yeah.
My butt fell asleep, and the shoes I was wearing were called Sas, S -A -S, and they're like what nuns wear?
Yeah. But there's an interesting thing I noticed in re -watching this.
What? In the very early moments of this episode, you see the boom microphone dip down into frame.
oh look at you catching a little boom.
I did. Now normally you would never allow this on television, right but on our show this was considered gold.
We kept this stuff in, like you never not used a take.
That was funny. It's right just because you saw the boom microphone or or anything any quote unquote mistake that would normally get cut out of another show.
Right. We used it. Because you want it to feel like the documentary like an authentic documentary right.
This was really important.
So I thought that was kind of a cool little thing.
Yeah, our boom operator was named Nick carbone.
Yeah. And one of my favorite things is when sometimes he would get the boom in the shot, we would yell, you got carbone, our bone got carboned.
And then we also started making up a song called boom shadow.
Boom shadow. Listen, young kids, Google it.
That is, I'm an old song.
Angela, I have to share something else about Nick carbon our sound guys.
So Nick Carbone put a microphone on me every day for nine years.
Yes he did. It's a very intimate thing to Mike, an actor.
Oftentimes, you know, I was in that pencil skirt and if I was standing up, we would sometimes have to put a leg wrap around my upper thigh to hide the microphone pack and then very delicately weave a microphone wire through underneath my bra, up my blouse, and Nic Carbon was the person who did this every
day. For me too, for me too, every day.
So a very intimate relationship you form with the person who mics you every day.
Here's something what would happen though, those leg wraps they closed via Velcro.
Yes. They were a Velcro leg wrap, and Pam wore pantyhose and I would get a run in my pantyhose and I would have to change my pantyhose four to five times a day.
The wardrobe people they would put four or five packs of pantyhose in my trailer because they knew that inevitably, I would get a run from this velcro which was also itchy and uncomfortable.
It was uncomfortable.
Do you know what Nick did for me?
I do know what he did for you but you tell them.
Okay, here's what he did.
He came up with a special leg wrap invention where he created a leg wrap that used bra hooks.
It was like a bra. A bra strap.
Yeah, like a bra strap closure.
So that when he hooked it onto my leg, my pantyhose wouldn't run and I wouldn't have to change my pantyhose so often.
And it worked. It was brilliant.
Here's the other thing he did.
He knew that I like to really go for it at the holidays.
I mean, I like to eat the pies and the many turkeys and all of this stuff.
You love some holiday eating.
I love the holiday eating.
And I would often come back from the holidays a good full -size larger than when I left.
So Nick Carbone put like, like a bra.
There were three different settings for if it was post holidays, pre holidays, maybe I was working out real hard for a movie role so that it always fit me.
Because that was the purpose of the Velcro was that you could kind of Velcro anywhere.
So he made this adjustable leg wrap for me.
and we called it the Jenna and he kept it in my kit it was so cool and then you know what when after the office was over a couple years later I got a job on an ABC show called splitting up together and when I walked on the set for the first day they introduced me to the sound team and it was Nick.
And I am tearing up just thinking about it.
There he was again so the only person who is really ever mic'd me for the television is Nick Carbone and he had saved my special leg wrap.
That is so sweet. I just love him so much.
I love him too, we've totally become family and I just loved our crew.
I just loved our crew so much.
We should have our crew.
We need to have guests on.
We need to have our crew come visit.
Yeah, we need to have them come in.
We need to do like a crew episode.
I would love that. This is completely not related to Nick Carbone but I have to share it.
Jenna wore pantyhose every day.
They were in her trailer.
The same pantyhose were in my trailer.
They were putting my trailer every day starting day one.
I never put them on.
I never, I refuse to wear pantyhose.
And Jenna one day, I mean, it was years into the office.
I remember the day it was years into filming, You know like seasons upon seasons.
And she looked over at me one day and she was like you don't have on pantyhose?
I was like, Oh yeah, they put them in my trailer.
I don't wear those things.
things. I'm not wearing pantyhose." And she was like, what the hell?!
I'm being in pantyhose for years!
I am such a rule follower that it had never occurred to me that I could go rogue and just not wear a pantyhose.
I just didn't put them on.
No one said anything.
I didn't put them on.
No one said anything.
Listen. There were times when I didn't dress the bottom half of my body.
Your knee just printed sweat.
I shouldn't let me expand on that.
You aren't like, you know, commando.
Sometimes if I was only seated behind the reception desk, I only dressed the top half of Pam and the bottom half was uggs and sweatpants.
Yes. So, I did get a break from the panty hose, but.
I never wore them, ever.
Ah, I can't believe that.
I just kept shoving them aside.
I shoved them aside for like, two years and then they just gave up and stop putting them in my trailer.
I used to look so forward to our quote -unquote winter episodes because they would give me tights, which were way more comfortable than panty hose.
And then after a while I had to say stop putting control -top pantyhose in my trailer I don't want to wear control top pantyhose for 12 hours a day.
You and my grandmother especially after the holidays this This is a sentence that could like set up so many conversations for me with Jenna, but Jenna you and my grandmother For the only two people I knew for a period of time that wore pantyhose every day My grandmother wore pantyhose every day of her life.
She was like she always had on pantyhose I can't wait to be 75 because I think I'll finally make sense.
You're already there.
I've been a 75 -year old woman since I was born.
Should we give a synopsis of the episode?
I know you want to Jena.
I wrote it down. Keep it up for the notes.
Do it. I wrote down a synopsis.
She did y 'all she typed it out.
It is I'm gonna read it.
Okay in this episode Michael challenges the guys in the warehouse to a basketball game against the upstairs sales staff.
The warehouse workers led by Darryl want to make it a friendly game but Michael insists there be a prize for their winner or more accurately a punishment for the losers.
Michael suggests the losers have to work on Saturday and then he taunts Darryl with chicken sounds until Darryl agrees.
But things will get more interesting in this episode.
That's not where it ends Angela.
The drama does not end there .…...there's another dun dun dun paragraph he's got.
Things get more interesting because Pam's fiancé Roy works in the warehouse.
Oh snap. Yes! So, we find out that she is caught between her office Krust Jim and her actual fiancée Roy.
Who is she going to root for?
Upstairs or downstairs?
I don't know. Let's start at the beginning of this episode.
Let's start the beginning.
Michael enters the office and starts asking if people are ready for the big game.
Oh, this is early days of the office.
Michael was super cringy.
He was. Oh, my God, he was so—like, first of all, he like just accosts you—he just walks up and swats you with a newspaper.
He's like, pam wack.
He does. Yeah. Yeah.
Yeah, he would come up to my desk too, with the newspaper.
He's like, Pam, whack!
He does. Yeah. He would come up to my desk, and I would flinch.
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So office ladies okay let's talk about the game down in the warehouse.
I mean well you have to talk about the the Todd Packer moment.
Okay. Okay. One of my absolute favorite ...
First First, I wanna say that I went back and watched the entire first season of The Office and it is my personal opinion that basketball is one of the best episodes we ever did.
Really? I absolutely love it, I think it is so good.
One of my favorite scenes in this episode is the one where Dwight follows Michael into his office and tries to convince him that he should be part of the basketball team and they get in this exchange that is so wonderful Michael says, no, not after what happened at that pickup game.
And then Dwight is like, I apologize for that.
He's like, I vouched for you.
I vouched for you in front of him.
Todd Packer! Now here's the amazing thing about this show is that we've never met Todd Packer.
He's only been mentioned one other time, which is in the pilot, when he calls in on speakerphone while Michael's having a meeting with Jan.
He says a bunch of inappropriate stuff and Michael just shuts him off the speakerphone.
But you can tell in that phone call Michael covets this guy loves he's the coolest guy.
We are not gonna meet Todd Packer I looked it up do you know when we finally meet him season, season 2 sexual harassment episode oh that's perfect which yes I know but that's like far yeah like that's a while well I do love this and I feel like Greg Daniels was so great about this and with our writers
room is we just jumped in the middle of these people's lives you know we don't tell backstory and that audience just has to catch up.
And I love that. Yeah, I love all these little nuggets.
And this episode in particular has a lot of little nuggets.
You see these dynamics that then play out years later, I love and I don't want to jump too far ahead.
But like, Dwight and Angela's power struggle.
It's the first time you see it in this episode.
All right. So we'll play that clip.
I think I should be on the team.
No. And that's not me being mean, Dwight?
That is based on your past behavior.
Oh, please. When I let him come to my pickup game.
I apologize for that.
I vouch for you. I vouch for you in front of Tom Packard Dwight.
That really is at the heart of the show for Michael is his office is his family.
He wants them so badly to love him.
I love in this little scene when Rain looks to the camera, he has a few looks to the camera that are just great.
And I feel like this was really fun for all of us, this documentary kind of genre, because we did get to do that.
And even in years later, I have jobs and every once in a while a director will say, Angela, you just looked at camera.
You can't look at camera.
I do it still too. And I'm like, oh, crap.
Sorry, for nine years I would check in with the camera.
It's so true. The camera was a character.
Yes. It was another person that we could relate to, the documentarian quote -unquote.
Right. And so we were encouraged to make them a part of the conversation.
Yeah, I know. And then it's weird to then take other jobs where you're like, oh, right, right.
You're not actually filming me.
Back to pretending like you're not in the room.
Exactly, exactly. Another great scene is when Michael leads Ryan down into the warehouse.
Mm -hmm. There's that great quote.
He's managing by walking around.
Oh yes, I see. That would be in his book How I Manage Yeah, Michael Scott Appleü I manage here's a little trivia.
Yeah, so as time we go down into the warehouse, yeah Yeah We well, I take that back we go down into the warehouse in the episode before this called the Alliance, but we This is the first time like we go down and get introduced to the warehouse staff.
Yes That's right and Michael and Ryan go down these stairs now in this episode.
We were filming in Culver City so those stairs actually were real, they actually existed, we filmed in an actual building that was an old company.
Yeah and and so these offices were on the second floor of that building too.
That's right, and so you go down the stairs to the warehouse but in years later they recreated the whole office in a different location on a sound stage and those stairs still existed but they led nowhere that was a tiny tiny closet about 3 feet wide.
Unter. And you would hide in the tiny closet and then on cue you would open the door and walk out.
So there were many times when the, you would either be up there by yourself in the tiny closet or you'd be up there, like one time I was up there with Oscar and, um, Brian as Kevin, and there's not a lot of space up there.
And we just tucked in that little closet for about 20 minutes until our characters came in the scene.
But this was where we were really using this real warehouse and this real space and there some shots outside where you can tell that it's not the same place as a season's later.
I know, I know, there's some things they couldn't cover.
That's fun for the super nerd.
Okay, well, I think we should play this clip of Michael introducing Ryan to Craig Robinson who plays Darryl, the manager of the warehouse.
This is one of my favorite introductions of a character on The Office because the sort of journey that his name takes with Michael, of how Michael comes up with this nickname for him is so ridiculous.
Andgenty Robinson does such a great job in the scene of just thrown it away.
He's so amazing. All right, we should watch it, we'll discuss.
And here we have Mitta Rogers neighborhood.
Come on over here. Hey, this is Ryan.
He's helping upstairs.
What's up? And there's the foreman, Mr.
Rogers. It's not my real name.
No. It's Daryl. Daryl is Mr.
Rogers. Daryl Rogers.
Daryl Philbin. and Periodres, and Regis, and Reges, and Roger, and mythus Roger's.
And What is the amazing history, how many years has Michael been calling him by not his name, but Daryl.
I know, I know, it's so good.
It's so good, and you so see, in Michael's brain, how he got there.
Oh makes total sense.
ascended to be, oh Regis supports, and Reges, syndicate, and Mr.
Raja. Right there, right there, I died.
So ridiculous and totally works.
And I have to wonder, this is like when I would love to do a dial -in phone call to call Mike Sherman because Mike Sherman was one of our writers on the show and he is married to J .J.
Philbin. J .J. Philbin's dad is Regis.
Oh. And I know Greg had told me that some of the people's names were formations of different people who have family and stuff on the show.
Well, you know Jim Helpert is Greg's friend.
And Jim Helpert. Yes, yes.
His name is, it's all his first and last name.
And Greg asked him permission to use his name, and the guy was like, oh, yeah, sure, it's no big deal.
He came to set one day.
I was like, yes, no big deal.
Nine years later, it was kind of a big deal, and he went to golf places and be like, Jim Helpert, and they'd be like, oh, yeah.
Okay, yeah, okay. Oh, okay, right.
And Phyllis Lapin, Phyllis is his last name Lapin, Lapin is the last name of a friend of Greg's, as well.
And so I have to think that Daryl Philbin was maybe Mike Shure, not to his father and law, his wife's side of the family, but then became this great runner for Michael Scott, which is so great.
It's so good. I have to say, this is a funny thing.
David Denman and I really hit it off.
Yeah, you did. We are good friends in real life.
We especially hit it off in this episode.
And it was weird because I think I had spent a lot of time talking to John Krasinski between scenes And now I was talking to David Denman like hey, where's my underlying go like?
so it was really weird and um Yeah, David and I we would We became couple friends Like he had a girlfriend at the time and I was with someone at the time and so we would all hang out and play poker together But he became a really really good friend of mine outside of the office.
And I think it was - I think it's probably a weird thing for people to imagine that, like my...
One of my best connections on the show was with David Denman.
I'm sure. who played my jerk boyfriend, Roy.
Your jerk boyfriend.
I'm sure right now, if you guys went out for lunch and you and him walked in, people will be like, why are you with Roy?!
It's so true. Why is Jim?
I know. I had lunch with Rainn Wilson, and people lost their minds.
We were like, oh my God, Dwayne surgeon!
All right. Here we go.
We're moving on, Jenna.
We're moving on what happened.
We'll hang out and play poker together but he became a really really good friend of mine outside of the office and I think it was, I think it's a probably a weird thing for people to imagine that like my, one of my best connections on the show was with David Unman, I made my Jerk boyfriend Roy, your
Jerk boyfriend I'm sure right now if you guys went out for lunch and you and him walked in and people would be like, why are you with Roy it's so true why're Jim.
I know. I know. I had lunch with Rainn Wilson, and people lost their minds.
We were like, omg, Twy and Angela!
All right. Here we go.
We're moving on, Jenna.
We're moving on. What happens next?
Well, they go back up in the office, right?
Yeah. They go back to work, right.
That's when he says, OK, who's starting?
Stanley, of course.
Yeah. And like why?
Of course. Yeah, Leslie David Baker is like, excuse me, like kind of look he gives him, is so perfect.
Now, if I remember correctly, Leslie was truly a horrible basketball player.
Yes, Leslie was like, oh, I don't play that.
sports. Yeah. Not a sports guy.
That was really perfect.
And Phyllis was so excited.
In real life, I'm talking Phyllis in real life, was like so excited to be part of the basketball team.
Phyllis in her youth was a burlesque dancer, and she has quite the moves.
And there is a tiny clip as they warm up before the game where she's moving her arms and stuff.
But her warm up had seen very like the ALS.
Yeah dance like... but she was there's a few times throughout the game when she finally gets to participate and you see her smile and that's genuine like Phyllis was like i'm in the game i'm so excited.
I do have to say before we get into the game part one thing is that you see uh my character looking through the supply kind of closet and i'm looking for the first aid kit and so and i'm like where's the first aid kit?
And then Dwight doesn't even look around he just holds it up right and I have Have this line that to me is kind of like that Todd Packer line and the first part of the episode, that is so loaded with information because I say, how many times do I have to tell you, I'm the safety officer, not you?
It's like, how many times has Dwight tried to usurp Angela's power?
How many times has he taken that first -aid kit and tried to be safety officer?
What is their backstory there?
I would love to know.
I love that we don't know.
We just know that they are adversarial in this moment and that they both love power and control later in season 2 in The episode email surveillance we will learn that Dwight and Angela are in a relationship.
Yes, so my question to you is Looking back.
Do you think they were already in a relationship now or do you think that this is maybe the beginning of that?
Sexual tension or I don't think they're in a relationship yet.
I think it's the beginning.
I think it's the beginning I think like, they both kind of, they like each other, but they are also annoyed by each other.
So they have this weird like yin and yang pull and I think it's the beginning.
I feel like the more they gave that bit to you guys to play then it gave them the idea to write this as some weird twisted romance.
Yes, and when we found out we were a couple was at the table read.
And that happened a lot for us on this show.
Yes. is that the writers would come up with things and we would sit down at lunch all together around a table once a week, once a week, and read a new script, usually on Wednesday.
We would read a new script and we would … They would be handing them to us as we walked in the room.
Sometimes the paper was hot.
Yes, I remember. And we would cold read these out loud, and a lot of times we discovered information as we read them.
And that was definitely one of them when we saw the Birkenstocks moving in the Dollhouse in the backyard.
We're like, oh my God!
I remember I found out Pam was pregnant during a table read and being like a fan of the show, I would want information like anyone else and I would get it early but I would still have to wait for that table read moment to find out.
Yeah. Like we weren't, they wouldn't say, okay, this season here are the five things that are gonna happen to your character.
No. No, you had to wait for each week to see how the drama unfolded.
Yeah, it was really fun.
Oh, I have to tell the story.
So okay so you know as Michael picks his team We then see a montage of all of us throwing things into the trash can it starts with Dwight He tries to make a shot.
He misses I thought his face was so cute what he like did his fingers like I missed And he got to be on the team and he was so happy and then of course stanley misses Oscar gets it in no problem, you know and people go around making these baskets Well, we did B roll We had always had a camera and we
had B camera on the show and the B camera would pick up all these little moments happening in the background.
And so they had all of us toss things kind of nonchalantly into our our desk trash can.
And I made mine on the first try.
And I made like three in a row.
And they didn't even include it because they were like, it just doesn't track.
Angela would like, be like a ringer or anything.
And of course, Brian made his.
Yeah. And that is something you guys should know is that where our trailers are where you hang out between scenes.
Where our trailers were they put up a basketball hoop and we would play horse in between scenes if we had a break.
We would all go out there and play horse and I have a photo of us and Brian was an amazing shooter.
Brian's an amazing athlete.
He's a great athlete.
Great golfer. So, the cast knew this.
And so, when this episode came about, we all knew what a great shooter he was.
and but the writers and Greg didn't they did not know and so in between scenes he would grab a basketball and just start shooting and he like was just sinking them left and right and it became a thing at the end of the episode so you'll see him he make they just let the camera roll he makes one shot
gets it in from kind of close to the three -point line yeah but then he keeps taking a step back step back so by the end he's well at at like three -point range, and he made, I think, I think it was 13 or 14 in a row, and they got it.
We showed three or four, I think.
Yeah, but he actually made, I think it was 14.
And we all were there with like - Mind.
There's a moment where Michael is supposed to, as a joke, it was in the script, he's supposed to throw the ball from really far, and it doesn't go in.
And he's supposed to be all upset like, Oh, I usually make those!
The first time, do you remember what happened the first time?
Steve made it. He made it, he made the most ridiculous like alley -oop from the other side of the warehouse, and we all cheered.
And they were like, no, you guys can't cheer, he doesn't make that.
I'm sure Steve was like, oh man, I wish that could go in.
I know, that should be a deleted scene for sure.
That was crazy. Okay, here we go.
Should we also talk about a little bit about the GM pam part of this episode?
Yes, yes. Because they have such an awkward flirty scene that it's so funny to me.
First of all, I love that the subject of their flirt is the Mall our wave runners.
This was so relatable to me because I have family that live in like Northern Texas and on the weekend you go to the lake, and you go to the mall.
Yes, exactly, these are the choices.
Jim is gonna go to the mall for the weekend if he doesn't have to work - The Outlets.
The outlets, the Outlet malls.
And then Pam said that if Roy wins they don't have to work on Saturday since that was the bet.
if Roy wins they're going to take the Wave Runners up to the lake.
Yeah. I love it. And Jim says, well, I think Roy is going to be working so I think you're going to be coming to the mall with me just if you want to save big on brand names.
Super cute. But I have to say that whole Wave Runner back story, that was based on a backstory that I wrote about Pam and Roy.
That ended up making it into the show in this very subtle way.
So I remember trying to justify just as myself, why is Pam still engaged to Roy after three years?
Because in this episode you find out like they've been engaged for three years, this little toaster oven is broken.
She're a toaster oven, she's sad.
She got to her engagement party.
Is broken. They're still not married.
So I asked myself why, why are they not married yet?
It's been three years, what is the reason?
So in my head, I came up with the reason that they had been saving money for the wedding.
Wait I have to pause.
I love this about Jenna so much, you guys.
This was her actor prep.
This was my actor prep.
She did this solely for herself.
No one asked me to do that.
No one asked her to do it.
I wrote it in essay form.
Again, Jenna, first of her name, a keeper of the notes.
I would love to find this document.
It was my PAM document and I have all these little things I made up.
Oh my God, you have to find it.
Okay. So go. So what was your back story for yourself?
So my back story story was that they had been saving money for the wedding.
And about a year into their engagement without telling Pam, Roy spent the money on a pair of wave runners.
Oh, This is perfect Jenna!
Yeah, this is perfect.
And he, you know, so he, and his brother bought these pair of wave runners with their wedding money.
But, you know, Roy was like, we're gonna have so much fun with these.
So it broke, my parents, has wave runners.
And I told Greg this story just, you know, I just bantering with him.
and he was like oh my gosh, I love that.
We gotta put that in, we gotta put that in the Wave Runners.
Gotta put that in the Wave Runners.
That is so good. I love that.
I love that. You know I feel like as I talked to some of our cast members about our time on the show we all had moments where we, we gave ourselves a little backstory like that and obviously we won't get into it here.
Mine was Sprinkles.
You invented Sprinkles.
I did, but that's, that's Pilot.
That's Pilot's talk.
But I did not know you did that about the Wave Runners.
That, and that is absolutely what Roy would have done.
I would've been like, listen, that money we were gonna spend on the wedding I got a really good deal on wave runners, he surprised her with wave runners.
Oh my God, that's amazing.
What PAM's always wanted.
I feel like we should say from a production standpoint we spent two days down in the warehouse playing basketball.
That's right. And there was a lot of the guys just playing basketball and they filmed them to get like random shots, but then there were all of these scripted moments that they had to get.
Right and make the game make sense.
Yes exactly. Can we speak about some highlights from the basketball let's do it.
Let's do it Raines crazy nose guard.
Oh my God you know I knew a guy in high school kin he had to wear one and They're they're like, uh, they're special.
I guess this was Greg's idea Mm -hmm He wanted him to wear this nose guard, but you know what I love.
We never mention it Nope.
We don't know why he's wearing, you know, was he injured once or is he just afraid of injury We don't know we don't know But, of course, he would wear it, when Raine takes his shirt off to be skins.
By the way, Raine, I think loves taking his shirt off because he loves the shock value of his white, pasty body.
And he likes to stick his belly out and pat it.
Like, look at it. Can we also just for a minute, none of us knew what it was going to look like when Stanly dribbled the basketball.
It was in the script that he is not good at dribbling.
That is all. That is all that Michael would look and just have this moment of like, oh crap.
Like are you kidding me and that dribble that Leslie David Baker did with his hand out?
Ridiculous. Ridiculous.
It was so perfect. With literal perfection.
Oh, oh, you have to tell Jim.
You have to tell about when John actually got hurt.
Yes. We actually had a real injury and they just kept the camera rolling.
They did. This was not scripted.
Is the part where Roy knocks Jim in the nose and his nose is bleeding.
That was just David Denman blocking, like getting power.
of awful and blocking out.
There was some real basketball competition when they were playing.
So the dudes got a little testosterone -y.
They got a little duty.
Yeah, they got a little duty.
But he did. He threw his elbow back, not knowing that Jon was there, and clocked Jon.
And his nose started gushing blood.
I think that sound you hear is his nose.
I asked Dave Rogers.
Our editor and? Because I remember the debate when they were editing this episode.
Well, we heard it in real time.
You can hear it in real life.
We were like, dang.
Yes, we knew it. We were like is his nose broken, and we had to pause and like ice pack him.
Well, first of all, they didn't stop rolling.
They kept documenting it?
They kept documenting it.
And so we see that John, John ran off because he was in pain and his nose starts bleeding, and I didn't know what to do so I picked up that...
At a certain point they had to stop it where they stopped it because he was like blood was dripping on the floor.
And it looked a little gruesome.
Yeah, they had actually a few injuries.
I remember like Leslie got hurt and then, who else or someone else?
Did someone else get hurt?
I feel like a few guys got some bumps.
Anyway, the guys gave it their all.
They really did. They really went for it.
Also, we have to talk about Michael's free throw moment.
Oh my god. That made me laugh so hard.
That is an example of Steve Carell's impeccable comedic timing.
He does not rush. He makes you wait for it.
You know when he's setting up this ridiculous free throw that it's not going to go in.
We all know it's not going to go in.
and yet somehow he makes us wait so long that it's even funnier.
It goes all the way out of the warehouse.
He throws it over the whole - And it's great too because you know someone has to run and get that ball, you don't see it happen but you know that moment when you're playing basketball.
We didn't even talk about his ridiculous warm up stretches before the game where he made his arms like noodles and then there's little moments within the game where you see he just wants so desperately to have a friend and to be cool.
When Daryl and Loni do their high -fives, and he's just watching it so giddy, like, oh, that's cool.
And then Dwight wants to do that with him, but he rejects Dwight.
Dwight will be Michael's friend that Michael's always wanted, but Michael's like, he doesn't want it.
You're not good enough.
I'm not cool enough.
No, he wants to do it with Jim.
He wants to have a high five with Jim who he's decided is the coolest in the office I know or Ryan here with Todd Packer or Todd Packer anyone but Dwight basically anyone Dwight so the basketball episode I think has some of like the best quotes of the whole first season so many good ones so many good
ones you Have one of the best ones that really I've seen on t -shirts.
Yeah and coffee mugs So I was to sign headshots with this line when they would ask me for my autograph do it please don't throw garbage at me!
I love it! I feel like it sums up Pam's entire relationship with Michael.
The fact that she has to say the words please don't throw garbage at me to her boss just it says it all.
It says it all and also you know it's not the first time she's said it.
No, no. Or something like it.
That's right. Yeah.
And he throws that at your head and goes off the backboard!
Yeah, so ridiculous!
Just please don't throw garbage at me, Michael.
Everything she's had to endure is all in that one line.
She's been working there for probably three or four years now.
Yeah, three or four years of garbage thrown at her head in a relationship that's going nowhere.
Gosh, it's so sad. Poor Pam!
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Oh, that's right. That's right That's right.
He says he's like we're gonna be downsized if we skip one Saturday.
Exactly Wait so you do end on this sense of like nothing nothing's okay nothing's okay Thing's okay.
Nothing's really different.
And nothing is different.
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Okay. So that was basketball, That's the basketball episode.
That's the basketball episode.
Hopefully it wasn't a hot mess and you had a good time.
I had a good time. I had a good time.
I loved watching it again.
I have loved watching the show again in general.
People come up to us all the time, especially now that the show has been out on Netflix and there's a whole new generation of fans.
People really wig out.
after so many years, it can become a little bit like, I think I had lost some perspective on how good the show was.
I mean, like, I knew it was good but I hadn't watched it in years.
I'm not sitting down, watching myself on television.
And so because of this podcast, I was forced to sit down and watch these episodes.
And now when people come up to me and tell me the show is good, I'm like, I know.
Oh my gosh, it's so good, right?
I mean, can you even believe it?
Can you believe I was on it?
That was me, I was on it!
that was really cool that's amazing let's shout about it yeah yeah no absolutely and I get why it's comfort for people you know I really do you can put it on in the background and it's there and and you know we've talked about this before but like Dwight's always gonna be Dwight and accounting is accounting and you've
got Pam and Jim there and they are they become your little family in the background as you whine down from your day I'm so thin that the show still keeps finding an audience it just is so wonderful for me and for you and everyone involved.
But I have a tiny gripe.
What? After rewatching this show.
What? Do you know that not a single actor on our television show ever won an Emmy for their performance on Office including Steve Coural.
Oh we're going there.
I was trying to wrap it up.
I was trying to wrap it up with a bow.
No. jeff i have a gripe.
Wait let me bitch for one second.
I'm ending with a gripe.
I think it is an absolute crime that Steve Coural was never awarded the top prize in his industry… for the role of Michael Scott, yeah.
I agree. Because I kind of dare you to name another comedic male performance sort of as revolutionary and heartbreaking and funny and real as his performance on that show.
No, it was brilliant.
He won the Golden Globe.
The show won Best Comedy Ensemble.
We won an Emmy, we won some SAG Awards.
But Steve never won an Emmy.
And the final year he was nominated because his character was ending.
His time on The Office was ending.
It was his final nomination.
They had, it was me, you, and JohnKrasinski in a row on the aisle, and Steve I think was right in front of us, or he was down a row, and they had a camera on us as they announced the nominees and then they announced the winner.
And the camera was right on us, and when they didn't say Steve's name, I said mother out of my mouth because I couldn't believe it.
And then I was instantly horrified because I thought…oh no, was I just on national television saying, Mother E crate.
I'm about to get a call from my mom.
I know it. And her ladies in her Bible study are going to be like, Angela said Mother E crate.
But they cut away very fast.
So I don't think you saw it.
But that's how we felt.
We couldn't believe it.
Because his work in this show is brilliant and our cast and our writers and everyone, and I've just, and they just did such an amazing job.
There you go. Not ending with a nice bow, but there you go.
There you go. All right.
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