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Good morning. This is Laura.
Welcome to the Before Breakfast Podcast.
Today's episode is going to be a longer one, part of the series where I interview fascinating people about how they take their days from great to awesome and any advice they have for the rest of us.
So today I am delighted to welcome Jillian Goddard to the show.
Jillian is a practicing endocrinologist in New York City.
She also writes the Hot Flash newsletter that is a popular part of the parent data empire.
So Jillian, welcome to the show.
Thanks for having me, Laura.
Yeah, excited to have you here.
So tell our listeners a little bit about yourself.
Sure. So as you mentioned, I'm an endocrinologist, which means I take care of people who have problems with their hormones and the glands that make those hormones.
I work in New York City, And I have been doing that for a long, long time.
And then in the last 18 months or so, I have started writing about women's hormonal health for Emily Oster's parent data.
And that's been really fun because actually I was a journalism major as an undergrad.
And so it's been great to circle back to using those skills in a way that kind of ties my previous career and my current career together.
Yeah, I was going to ask you a little bit about that career evolution.
What made you think like now's the time to do this?
Was this something that had been in the back of your mind for a while?
Yeah, so I had, you know, I started my practice about a little over 10 years ago.
And it takes some time to build a practice.
And my kids were young at the time.
I have four kids. Actually, I was a journalism major as an undergrad.
And so it's been great to circle back to using those skills in a way that kind of ties my previous career and my current career together.
Yeah, I was going to ask you a little bit about that career evolution.
What made you think, like, now's the time to do this?
Was this something that had been in the back of your mind for a while?
Yeah. So I had, you know, I started my practice about a little over 10 years ago, and it takes some time to build a practice.
And my kids were young at the time.
I have four kids. And at the time, they were, you know, very small preschoolers and early school age.
And then as I built my practice and my kids got older, the practice became a little bit more sort of, I mean, I don't want to say autopilot, but established and there were good routines there.
I love seeing patients and they're, they're always interesting and, and I always learn something from them.
But there's, when you run your own practice, there's only so much career growth that you can do with that.
And I was really kind of casting about a bit for a way to use my brain a little bit differently to think about things differently.
And, and then this opportunity to work with Emily fell in my lap.
So it, it was good timing as, as it were.
So yeah, no, that sounds wonderful.
And I would imagine because of this, cause you spend some of your days practicing medicine and you spend some of your days more on your writing stuff that you have probably very different schedules, depending on what there's is, so maybe you could talk through what your daily life looks like, but understanding
that these are these are two different schedules entirely.
Yeah, so I really do have exactly that two separate types of days in my schedule.
I have two days a week I spend in the office seeing patients.
And on those days, those days start very early.
So I my alarm goes off at 4 45.
I get up, get out of my house before anyone else is usually awake.
It's usually very quiet when I leave.
I drive to my office, which is about half an hour away.
And then I prepare for patients and do all the things related to seeing patients for the next 10 hours.
So I see patients from seven in the morning to five in the afternoon and sort of accomplish all the paperwork and administrative tasks that go along with seeing patients.
I try to do that mostly on those days as well.
So I try to be really efficient when I'm in the office.
and then I try to be in the car by about 5 30 head home I have four kids who are in high school middle school and I've got one my youngest is in third grade and so there's I help with driving I help with homework I do I used to do when my kids were little I used to do like a second shift I do not do
that anymore. I now that my kids are older and they're up and around, I really try to keep the evenings more focused on spending time with them barring something emergent.
Yeah. And so those are patient days on my and you'll notice there were there were some things that were missing from that.
So, like, there was no exercise in there.
and then I actually try to do an hour of work before my family is kind of up and moving around and I really try to know exactly what I'm planning to accomplish in that hour beforehand so I don't get up at 5 45 and go hmm what should I do from six to seven I have a specific task in mind and it might be
to edit an article today I worked on the editorial calendar for the upcoming month.
I have a really specific and finite task.
It is not a time when I do sort of deep writing at that point.
And then my kids get up, everybody's around and about.
And that process takes, you know, it takes a little while to get them out the door.
And then at eight, I usually walk out the door with my youngest son, we walk to school and I continue on.
I usually run on those mornings.
I do like three to five miles.
And then a couple of days a week, I actually then go straight from that to a Pilates lesson.
And then I come home and get myself settled in to work.
And on those days, I like to write in the morning till about three o 'clock.
And then because that's when the people start coming back from school.
And and so then I try to do all the other things when they're here.
So they're pretty good about about meetings and stuff, although I did quite famously post on Instagram signs that I put all over my house when I had an important meeting that they were going to be coming home from school in the middle of.
Don't interrupt. Mommy has a meeting.
Yes, Exactly. But so I'll do meetings, I'll do phone calls, things that things that if they come in, you know, it's not the end of the world.
The one exception to that is if I know I'm going to be doing something like this, like guesting on a podcast, I schedule it during school hours.
Yeah. Well, long experience.
I know to do that as well.
Although there was a famous time I was giving a talk virtually and I wound up with a five -year -old on the screen with me.
So that was an experience for sure.
But he's far cuter than I was, so it actually probably made it all go better.
Exactly. Exactly. So what time do you have to go to bed to wake up at 4 .45 or 5 .45, depending on the day?
Yeah, so I have a hard and fast 10 p .m.
bedtime and we have a pretty specific evening routine at our house.
My youngest is still going to bed fairly early.
He crashes around 830 or so, um, between 915 or so and 10 o 'clock, my middle two kids who are, um, 14 and 11, uh, we sit down and watch a TV show with them.
So it's my husband and I and the two kids.
And we've, so we've watched a lot of Seinfeld.
We've watched all of the office we've watched uh and right now we're watching the good place um which they actually really really like they they get all wrapped up in the cliffhanger so yeah and then my daughter who's 14 she stays up she's usually still doing homework and stuff after that but the 11
year old will go to bed and so will i so lights out at 10 o 'clock excellent well that's good um and and maybe that's a little bit less sleep than you'd like on the mornings when you have to wake up at 4 .45, but it's, you know, a good amount then on the days that you're waking up at 5 .45, right?
Yeah, I mean, when I have tracked my time over the years, I have found that the number of hours I sleep is remarkably stable, even when I had babies.
I get about seven and a half hours of sleep on average over the course of a week.
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She's also the author of the Hot Flash newsletter that is part of Emily Oster's parent data empire.
So Jillian, we're just talking about how you sort of get different amounts of sleep on the nights that you are going into the office to see patients versus the days that you are working from home.
But I think in general, you kind of think about life in terms of a week.
So it's not like you're like, oh, no, I got too little sleep that one night.
You're like, well, I know I get a little bit more the next night.
And over the whole week, things tend to come out like you don't exercise on the patient days, but you do on the others.
Can you talk a little bit about that?
Yeah, I mean, I sort of have an idea of kind of what I want my week to look like, and I stick to a pretty clear template.
So, you know, in addition to not exercising on my patient days, I'm not always home for dinner with my kids on patient days.
I might get home in time to do to drive somebody to a later activity.
I don't always get to like leisure activities like reading on patient days but I know that they're really limited days um and that I have a lot more control and flexibility and I'm a lot more present on the days when I'm working from home so even though I really do work from you know 10 to 6 most days
when I work from home I'm I'm my office is like a fishbowl it has glass doors it's hard to hide from from everybody so I feel like i'm still here i'm still present i'm still involved in sort of what's going on um well there's also weekends they count too they can't talk we've talked about weekdays but um
there's definitely also weekends and um and so i feel like i i fit a lot in on those days too i'm not a hard and fast like don't work on the weekend kind of person um i don't like to do clinical work on the weekend.
I just like to have that boundary unless I'm on call and need to respond to a patient emergency, of course.
But on the weekends when I'm not, I really try to kind of hold that boundary.
But the writing is much more fluid.
And in general, I would say, you know, there's people who are really like have hard, fast boundaries between their work, and there's people who integrate their work.
I know you've talked about that before.
And I feel like with my clinical work, I have these hard, fast boundaries.
And with the writing work, it's completely integrated into my everyday life.
Yeah, it's just an entirely different sort of thing.
I was wondering about that.
Yeah, you mentioned on your clinical days, I know it only takes you about 30 minutes to drive to work.
I'm guessing it takes you more than 30 minutes to leave work.
Sadly, it does. Traffic in New York City is a lovely thing.
It takes me, on a good day, 45 minutes, and on a terrible day, an hour and a half.
Yeah, yeah. But again, it's only twice a week.
It's only twice a week.
It's really not bad.
I put up with all sorts of things.
I mean, it basically means I spend three hours of the week commuting total, if I don't count driving children places.
Well, we can talk about that.
The best thing about that is not just that I'll walk places often.
My kids can be really, really independent.
I will sometimes walk to school with my eight -year -old, but he doesn't have to be picked up from school anymore.
So all my kids can get themselves to and from school by themselves.
My oldest son plays on the varsity soccer team.
He manages all of that completely on his own.
And and they will do things like if they need like a poster board or something for school, they can walk into town and there's a drugstore that will have the poster board and they can get that on their own.
And so we've really focused on making them very independent pretty early, which helps with things like shuttling people around at the at the end of the day.
We also now have a third third driver in our household.
which has pluses and minuses, but it is on the whole, on the balance, I think, helpful.
Yeah. No, but I mean, having kids be able to walk places on their own versus needing somebody who is over 16 to drive them everywhere just opens up several years where they can get themselves around.
That would not have been the case without that.
So, yeah, I mean, we actually, you know, in our little like string of houses, there's like a whole crew of elementary school kids that walk to school by themselves.
And we actually live so close to the school.
It's we're on the same block.
They don't even cross the street.
So it's pretty good.
It's pretty it is. It's pretty good.
They can also go to the library by themselves, which is nice.
Yeah. Yeah. But, you know, what I also had is so interesting about you, Jillian, you make time for all sorts of other things in your life, too.
So you volunteer extensively, I believe, with your church community.
Maybe you can talk a little bit about how on earth you find the time for that well so yeah so i am um currently what is called the warden of my church which is essentially like being the president of the board um on like a not -for -profit board essentially um i do that on my writing days and there have been
times when i have been involved in my church where that has taken more time.
Currently, it's not a big time commitment.
It's probably a couple hours a week on the whole, aside from aside from, you know, actually attending services, which I would do anyway.
And so I you know, those are those are some of the meetings that get scheduled into those like post 3pm spots.
It's really important to me.
It's been a community that's been really important to our family.
And so, you know, it is important to me to play a role in kind of making it that community for other people.
And I really, you know, I really enjoy it.
And like you, I also sing in my church choir, which, you know, unlike volunteering for the for the board is, you know, purely for my own joy.
That one's quite selfish.
But that's a lot of fun.
It's fun to do that.
Yeah, it is. It is.
And I've gotten to know some people, you know, in our church community that I didn't know as well.
And so it's just been really lovely from that point of view.
And one of my children is very into music and and is kind of coming up the ranks behind me.
And so that's also kind of fun to see him be interested in some of the same things that that I'm interested in.
Yeah, because that's not a guarantee when you have kids.
Never, never is it.
So how do you come up with your ideas?
For writing newsletters?
I come up with them for in a few different ways.
When I first when I first pitched myself, I pitched myself as sort of writing about more broadly about women's hormonal health.
But, you know, menopause is having a bit of a moment.
And one of the things that we did early on to kind of make sure that this was a viable option for a newsletter was they asked me to brainstorm 50 ideas or 15 ideas.
And I came up with like 100 right off the bat.
There's just there's so much to write about.
Um, and so I still occasionally go back to that list.
We, you know, it's if you write a newsletter a week and it's been and it's been a year, I'm only halfway through that list.
Um, but, um, I also pay attention to what's happening in the news, kind of what types of things are being covered in the health news, like on the New York Times well page.
if they happen to have an article that isn't about Ozempic already.
They tend to do that a lot.
And so I pay attention to that.
And then I look at the journal.
So today when I was working on an editorial calendar, a couple of things were studies that have just come out that were reported on.
But I also just go and look and kind of look for studies that catch my eye that I think people will like.
um I sometimes I'll do a piece where it's about several studies and I'll call it like you know like a little mini journal club and um there's there's like the perfect piece for that today in one of the journals about jazz dancing for fitness and menopause I couldn't resist it hits all the buttons there I
mean you can just you can't help yourself from clicking on that really Exactly, exactly.
It's like medical literature clickbait.
Yeah, exactly, exactly.
No, but that's like, that's wonderful that they had you come up with the 50 ideas because when I talk to people about starting podcasts, for instance, they're like, well, I'm going to record an episode.
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Well, I am back with Jillian Goddard, who is an endocrinologist in New York City, is also the author of the Hot Flash newsletter.
So one thing we have in common, Jillian, is that we spent the past year listening to all of Bach.
So maybe you can talk a little bit about how that experience was for you.
Yeah. So when you first mentioned that you were going to do it, we were actually at a retreat together to plan the year.
And I was like, oh, you know, I know Bach, of course, but I don't know Bach.
um and i have like some ideas but i you know i love music music is super important you know to me and has always been a part of my life and i was like this would be such a fun way to like spend a little time every day um and i really enjoyed it what was amazing to me was because i sing with my choir
how much of some of the music i already knew and how funny it was to listen to people sing German words to like, I could hear the words, you know, in English in my head.
And I was like, wait, I know this one.
And so that was really fun.
I also had a pretty good familiarity with a lot of the cello concertos that people love and that they're toward the end of the schedule that we did.
And so that was a really kind of nice way to come into the final stretch but I thought it was really it was really interesting to me how conversant I became and how comfortable I became in a subject that I knew something about but not a ton about and I actually really really had a great time with it
yeah which is why we're listening to Beethoven that's right so Julie and I are listening to all of Beethoven in the course of 2025 we're only a few days in as we're recording this, but so far so good.
We've been listening to a lot of early Beethoven.
It turns out that he was also a very early composer, a bit like Mozart in that regard.
Although a little bit younger in, I guess, timeline than Mozart.
But yeah, it's been interesting to see.
I was joking with one of my kids after I heard some, like after it was the piano quartet or something.
I'm like, he composed it when he was 14.
I'm like telling my kid, have you been composing anything lately?
Right, exactly, exactly.
Well, that's what it's been fun because, you know, my 11 year old is very into music.
And I actually inherited a bunch of which we haven't used these yet because we don't we don't have these like early piano works on on record at home.
But I inherited a bunch of LPs from my grandfather that include all of Beethoven's symphonies.
And and so we've been talking about how we're going to like listen to them together.
And and I'm like, he's he was your age when he wrote this.
It's kind of fun. It's impressive.
Yeah. So Jillian, what's something you have done recently to take a day from great to awesome?
I got myself a new coffee mug and it's taking every day from great to awesome.
What's so amazing about this coffee mug?
I'm very curious. It's the perfect size.
Okay. So I have two favorite mugs, one that I take when I go into the office because I take my coffee with me, a hot flash newsletter at parentdata .org.
Awesome. Well, thank you so much for joining us, and everyone, thank you for listening.
If you have feedback on this or any other episode, you can always reach me at laura at lauravandercam .com.
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Thanks for listening, and here's to making the most of our time.
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I'm not the only one who loves Hill House dresses.
Celebrities like Taylor Swift, Olivia Rodrigo, Anne Hathaway, and Mindy Kaling have all been spotted in the Hill House nap dress.
One of my favorite things about Hill House dresses is how versatile they are.
I can wear the same dress during the day and then head out for dinner at night without missing a beat.
Hill House Home's commitment to comfort and style doesn't stop at their dresses.
They started with bedding back in 2016, and their prints are just gorgeous.
Their bathrobes and pajamas are so soft because guess what?
The PJs are made with the same cotton fabric as their baby onesies.
So when I wear them, I literally sleep like a baby.
Hill House is perfect for all ages.
They have the cutest baby and kids items like tiny robes, onesies, and PJs you can monogram.
All just adorable. So get 15 % off your order of $100 or more at hillhousehome .com with code BREAKFAST15.
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