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Good morning. This is Laura.
Welcome to the Before Breakfast podcast. Today's episode is going to be a longer one, part of the series where I interview fascinating people about how they take their days from great to awesome and any advice they have for the rest of us.
So today I am delighted to welcome Jorge Cham to the show.
Jorge is the host of the podcast Science Stuff among many other things.
So Jorge, welcome to the show.
Hi, thanks for having me.
Yeah, so why don't you tell our listeners a little bit about yourself?
Yeah, so again, my name is Jorge Cham, and I'm what you might call a recovering academic.
I'm someone who used to be on track to be a professor or researcher at a university somewhere doing research on robotics.
So, I have a PhD in robotics, but somewhere along the line, I got a little bit sidetracked by a cartooning career.
Now you might be wondering what does having a PhD in robotics and being a cartoonist have in common, and I can tell value, my parents were also very concerned about that.
I can imagine it's quite the pivot.
Maybe you can talk a little bit about what inspired that pivot.
I mean, I find cartoons cool, so I understand.
Yeah. It's been super interesting.
So while I was getting my degree in robotics, I just happened to have this hobby of drawing comics.
So I drew this comic strip for the Stanford Daily newspaper, the student newspaper, and it's called PILOTIRER & DEEPER or PhD Comics.
And the best way to describe it, it's kind of like Dilbert, but said in a university, spoken fun at professors, students, the administration, all of that.
And then at some point I put it online and it sort of went viral over the years, to the point where I realized that these comics were much more popular than the research I was doing.
So I decided to kind of give it a go and so I opted for a kind of a creative career instead of an academic career and it's been a wild ride.
I did those comics for about 15 years, got to travel the world, produced a couple of movies based on it.
And then that eventually led to books and a television show for kids on PBS Kids.
And now this amazing and super fun podcast called Science Stuff for I Heart.
Yeah, well you've been doing the podcasting for a couple of years now in different iterations, right?
Yeah, I was one of the co -hosts and co -creators of a podcast called Daniel and Jorge Explain the Universe, a very humbly called titled podcast, but where we mostly talk about physics and kind of the exploring the universe and how things work.
But after about five to six years, that podcast ended and now I'm doing this for I heart Science Stuff.
Yeah. Well, what's the goal that you have with Science Stuff?
Yeah, the goal is to make science fun and accessible for an everyday person.
So every to us what is inside of a black hole, or could you survive getting cryogenically frozen, or something that's on the news lately, what is a quantum computer?
So we do a quick 30 to 40 minutes breakdown, sort of what are the main things, what are the main things to understand?
We talk to experts, we keep it light and fun and accessible to everyone.
Yeah, that sounds great.
Well, and I want to talk about an episode that you did not mention in your list there, but I'm sure is one that people will reference frequently, including my own children, which is the idea of whether you need to wait 30 minutes after eating in order to go back in the pool or ocean.
So as we are coming up to swimming season, maybe you can address that topic for us.
Is it true? Do we need to wait 30 minutes?
Well, you can after a while listen to the episode, but I'll give you a quick breakdown here.
Where we get that, okay, maybe just a hint for people listening to this?
No, I'm happy to talk about it.
So it's one of our episodes that are out right now Lots of people can listen to them right now.
And the question is, do you have really had to wait 30 minutes after eating before you can go swimming?
And this is really a kind of a personal question for me in the episode, because I grew up in Panama swimming a lot in pools at the beach. And my aunt, my mom's sister, was a pediatrician.
She was a doctor and she would always be the one saying, no, after eating, you got to stop, wait, and just sit there and be totally bored for 30 minutes before you can go back to swimming.
And so I really wanted to know, was my aunt lying to me the whole time?
And so I go on this quest where I talk to a doctor who used to be a competitive swimmer and I talk to a physiologist who specializes in exercise and how it relates to her digestive system.
And what's kind of interesting is you find out that a couple of the myths around this advice kind of turn out to be not true.
So a lot of people think that if you eat too soon before you go eating, you might get cramps.
Well, actually it turns out that scientists don't really know what causes cramps.
First of all, that's a little bit mind blowing, but also it turns out that they think that actually what causes cramps is not eating.
So if you don't have enough sugar or electrolytes in your body, you might get actually be the thing that causes cramps.
And the other thing that a lot of people say is that why you shouldn't swim is that they think that maybe your stomach sucks all the blood in your body when it's trying to digest and that also turns out to be not quite true.
The physiologist said that actually your muscles are basically huge hogs in your body.
If they need blood, they're gonna take it from anywhere they can, anywhere in your body.
And so you really don't need to worry because also your heart is pumping faster.
So your stomach's getting enough blood.
The problem is though that your body doesn't kind of like having food in its stomach. It's kind of how your body tells you that you've eaten enough.
And so it gives you this feeling of being full and you feel a little bit uncomfortable.
And so actually doing a high intensity activity like swimming or doing a lot of laps will actually cause that digestion to slow down.
And so that's why you might feel uncomfortable if you swim too soon after eating.
Yeah. But it's not the cramps.
You're not gonna cramp up and immediately drown.
You're not gonna cramp and drown.
Well, I've heard different versions of it.
I mean, your aunt had 30 minutes But I've heard people as much as an hour with that saying, that would be even worse, so you could have put it worse for her.
Yeah, I know. But it's funny because for other sports, like we're sitting there giving our little soccer players orange slices and whatever.
We're giving them calories while they're exercising.
But I mean, obviously you wouldn't want to eat a huge meal and then immediately try to run a radius or anything.
Yeah, I think orange juice, bananas and juice is probably great for the sugar and the electrolytes, but you know, two cheeseburgers before going on laps or swimming out into a lake is, you don't have to wait the 30 minutes, but you probably should.
Like, it's not gonna feel good.
Or maybe just not eat the two cheeseburgers.
Another idea. Well, we're gonna take a quick ad break and then I'll be back with more from Jorge Chan.
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Well, I am back with Jorge Cham, who is the host of the new podcast, Science Stuff.
He's been telling us that maybe we don't need to wait 30 minutes before going in the water after swimming.
But another thing I'm sure many people are wondering, And I'm saying can you survive being cryogenically frozen?
I don't know that I was planning on doing it, but maybe some of my listeners were.
Yeah, you might want to put those plans on ice.
Literally, as it were.
Yeah, see this is another episode that is currently out, and people can listen to it, but it's about asking the question if you have a certain illness that they don't have a cure for right now or if you want to go to a distant star.
the closest star is about 40 trillion miles away, so it's gonna take a while to get there, so if we ever ever really want to explore the cosmos, we kind of have to figure out how to pause life, you know?
Or you just want to kind of see what the future is like, you might want to get frozen then you wake up when there's flying cars and jet packs and all that, so there's definitely a lot of reasons to do it.
And so in the episode, we dive deep with a biologist who studies frogs, these wood frogs that apparently have adapted to survive these long winters out there in the cold arctic and the weather.
And they're able to survive having the whole their whole body frozen, basically because they develop an adaptation to produce antifreeze in their body.
Yeah, as they're freezing, their liver suddenly gets super hyperactive and they produce a lot of sugar.
And then them survive being frozen.
But that wouldn't really work for humans, because basically we would die from the diabetic shock.
Yeah, we don't have that adaptation yet.
We are not evolved to freeze like frogs in the Arctic winter.
And there's probably some interesting things with freezing individual organs, right?
I think you guys explored this.
Right now our transplant system is stuck by the fact that you have to get these organs where they're going very quickly.
And if you had a match from say somebody in Tokyo, when you're in New York, you're not getting that organ for the most part.
Yeah, yeah. That's something we also take a deep dive in.
We actually talked to the CEO of one of these companies that will freeze you.
Like they'll freeze your organs, but they'll also freeze your brain if you wanted to.
Or they'll freeze your whole body if you think you're not going to make it.
So it's super fascinating.
And what they're able to do now is basically use the same techniques as a frog, sort of.
They use a kind of antifreeze called ethylene glycol or some glycerine, some sort of sugar alcohol, and replace all the water in the cells of these organs, and then you can freeze them because that doesn't turn to ice.
It sort of turns into more of like a glass.
And so you're able to do things for simple things like, uh, like sperm or embryos if you, if you were going through IVF or in vitro fertilization, those that works, you can replace the water dip it in liquid nitrogen and then have it survive.
It gets a lot trickier when you get to more complicated organs.
So, um, like your liver, even your liver or your muscles or, and especially your brain, it's just so complicated and so fragile that they haven't quite figured out how to get those So you can freeze them, but you might not survive the thawing out.
Yeah, you might not survive the process.
You just have a frozen thing and it just can't unfreeze very well.
Like some of the things I put in my freezer when they come out.
Yeah. Freezer burn, freezer burn is a real thing and you don't want that in your brain.
No, don't want that for sure.
Well, on this podcast we talk a lot about time management, productivity, you've done a lot of things in your life Jorge, I understand that your productivity secret, as it were, is productive procrastination.
Maybe you can enlighten us on what that is.
Yeah, yeah. I like to think of myself as a professional procrastinator.
I sort of center my whole life and time management around this idea.
And before I get into trouble with any of your listeners who procrastinate and then they get into trouble, there are sort of two things you have to really attach to this idea to make it work.
So these are very important things.
So the first one is my belief that procrastination is not the same thing as laziness.
So we often associate the two, but actually if you separate the two, you will have a better go at it.
So laziness, that's when you don't wanna do anything.
Procrastination just means you don't wanna do it now.
So there are two different things.
And the idea is that if you put off doing something and then you don't get it done, then that's laziness.
But if you just put something off doing something, if you just put off doing something and then you get it done, then that's just procrastination.
So it's kind of a way to hold yourself accountable.
If you don't get it done, you can procrastinate, but if you don't get it done, then you're just kind of being lazy.
The second thing that's important is to think about this idea that I think we do our best work when we're doing what we want to be doing instead of when we're doing what we think we should be doing.
So if you look at the definition of procrastination, it means to do things that you want to do instead of doing the things that you feel you should be doing.
So I sort of organized my life by, I wake up every morning, I make a list of the things that I need to do, And I look at sort of the, how urgent some of them are, whether this one's already late, whether this one's due today, tomorrow, the next week.
And then instead of going down the list by what is more urgent, I go down the list by what I want to do.
Like I look at this list and I think, Well, I know I need to really do this.
And I know this is really important, but right now what I really feel like doing is doing this.
And so that's, I'm sort of procrastinating by definition, doing, but I'm so motivated and I'm much more excited and enthusiastic about doing it that I think in the end it comes out to be better work.
But do you ever get to the things that you were supposed to do, or do we just forget those?
Where does that happen in the course of tackling this to -do list?
Yeah, yeah. Well, that can get a little bit tricky.
But basically, if you do all the things you want to do, once you get those done, then you're just left with the things that are urgent and that you didn't want to do in the morning.
But at that point you know they're due, you know they're important for you.
So you're just going to get them done at the end of the day.
So I have found, and maybe this is a version of this, I can sometimes get myself to do all sorts of things that I wasn't sure I wanted to do by putting something else on my list that I truly do not want to do.
And so by once that thing is on the list and I really don't want to do that, I'm like, well, you know, this other, like I don't want to do my taxes.
But compared to that, like calling this person having this unpleasant conversation, it seems okay.
It's not so bad. I'm just having a conversation or editing this document that's a mess.
But you know, it's just editing.
It's not my taxes, right?
Is that something you ever find yourself doing?
Yeah, sort of sometimes.
But you know, I find that the brain is so clever and adaptable that any kind of trick, any kind of scheme you try to implement to fool your own brain or to get you to do things you don't really want to do...
Ultimately, your brain is going to adapt to them, or it's gonna find excuses, or it's going to basically realize, oh, I don't really have to do this.
And so, for me, at least, what's worked is just to really think about what I'm motivated to do.
What is it that I really want to do?
And focus on that. And once you get all the fun stuff done at the end of the day, you're like, oh, I have some time.
I really need to make that dent disappointment.
I really want to have nice teeth.
I don't want to have cavities.
All right, I'll make that call.
And so that's kind of how I organize my life.
Well, you mentioned that you sit down in the morning and do this.
I'm wondering if you have any other sort of routines that you do during the day that have been helpful in your life?
Yeah, great question.
I do that. I have a lot of sticky notes around me.
What do those sticky notes do for you?
Well, they just let me write down those things that I need to do.
So, I have a little note pad.
I'll write down little notes and I'll stick it on my desk.
And then at some point they accumulate and grow to a huge pile.
And then I really have to, on a weekend afternoon, I'll just sit down and try to get those done.
Excellent. Everything that's on the sticky notes.
Well, we're going to take one more quick ad break, and then I'll be back with more from Jorge Cham.
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My favorite product has to be The Minimalist. It's a two -in -one foundation and concealer that gives me smooth even coverage with zero fuss.
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One of my favorite things about Hill House dresses is how versatile they are.
I can wear the same dress during the day and then head out for dinner at night without missing a beat.
Hill House homes' commitment to comfort and style doesn't stop at their dresses.
They started with bedding back in 2016, and their prints are just gorgeous.
Their bathrobes and pajamas are so soft because guess what?
The PJs are made with the same cotton fabric as their baby onesies.
so when I wear them, I literally sleep like a baby.
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Well, we are back with Jorge Cham, who is the host of the Science Stuf podcast, along with many other things, including a long career in the comic world.
So I am very curious about the creative process for doing a comic.
I can tell you about the creative process for writing or coming up with podcast ideas, But when it's something visual, like what, how, how are you playing around with ideas or processing ideas before you have the finished artwork?
Yeah, well, for me, it sort of starts way before I even sit down to think about, you know, when you're a cartoonist and you know, you have that pressure of coming up with a comic strip every so often.
It is, for some people it's every day.
For some people, it's every other day.
you sort of learn to always have your antenna up.
Whenever you're talking to friends or family or whenever you're out in the world, you're always sort of desperate for ideas.
And you're always desperate for those little nuggets of truth that are just floating out there that make you go, oh, that's funny.
Or, huh, I wonder why people do that.
And so you, it's, for me, the process starts way before even sitting down, which is I always have this antenna up.
And then when I sit down, I sit down with a notepad.
In this case, it's a digital notepad.
It's a Samsung tablet.
I love that machine.
I have this one that I've been using for like five years.
It's helped me write about five books and about 30 television episodes that I've written.
And so it's just this really great way to brainstorm and then just write things down.
I think most people know that when you write things down, it's basically like expanding your memory or expanding your RAM memory, if you're sort of a computer geek, where you can sort of lay down ideas, print them on paper and then they're floating there and then you can access them and make connections to it.
And I especially like using a digital notebook because it's sort of like an infinite canvas.
So if you use a notepad at some point, you're going to hit the edge of the paper, but if you use a digital notepad, you can just keep doodling and making connections and following a path.
So I am very visual when I brainstorm and when I write.
I sort of doodle along and make little sketches and then connect those to words and then write out a paragraph by longhand.
And yeah, it's one of my favorite parts.
Yeah. Well, I imagine, like there are certain thoughts that make a good comic.
I mean, especially if you're thinking about like a three panel comic, like what the setup, teeing up the end and the punchline and the last one or however it goes.
I mean, it must just be a certain mental model that you then have of the universe and putting everything in that order?
Yeah, there's always sort of like the setup, the development, the punch line, and then the after punch line in a typical comic strip.
But again, it all starts with that nugget of truth.
Like, why do we procrastinate, for example?
Or what's the first thing that we in the morning, why isn't it usually the thing that is maybe most pressing?
Or if you're in a position where you're working with somebody, why do you tell them certain things at certain times?
So those little nuggets of truth, that's where it starts.
And then I try to build sort of the setup and the scene around it.
Yeah. Excellent. So I'm curious, then, what your daily schedule tends to look like these days.
I mean, we're getting up, making the to -do list we're going through some of it.
Do you keep regular work hours or what does that look like these days?
Oh, I think my spouse would be laughing right now if she's hearing this.
So part of this idea of procrastination is what I'm trying to do is basically lead a lifestyle where it sort of seems like I'm retired.
If you're retired, your goal is to just wake up every morning and just do what you want to do.
And so that's a little bit how I structure my day.
You know, I kind of go with where my motivation is.
So some days – especially Mondays – I'm not super motivated and so I just don't put a lot of pressure on myself to be productive.
But then Tuesday maybe I'm really motivated and then I'll stay up all night maybe or stay up really late.
And then the next morning I might not get as much sleep but then you catch up a little bit later.
So it's a very kind of fluid process for me as my family will probably complain about.
Well, if you found people who will put up with you, then I guess good for you.
Yeah, yeah so far, so good.
So far so good. So far, so good, well that's awesome.
So, one thing I often ask people is what have you done recently to take a day from great to awesome.
Oh, great question.
What have I done recently to dig it from great to awesome?
So recently, I have a series of books for kids out called Oliver's Great Big Universe.
And it's sort of like a diary of a wimpy kid but with science.
So it's educational but also really fun with a lot of barf and fart jokes for kids.
Of course. So it's a great series.
And as part of that I get invited to go to schools and do school talks for kids.
And recently I was in this school in North Carolina and I kind of have a couple of options for presentations.
I have one that's sort of like, here I'm going to talk about the universe and how amazing it is and how big it is.
And I have one that's a little bit more chaotic where I run this kind of game show with the kids.
And I have to draw them but also answer their science questions at the same time, super fun.
And so, you know, it was a very kind of button up kind of school.
Button down school, very, very nice school.
And I was like, you know, instead of doing the safe science talk, I mean, let's go with the chaotic, fun one.
And the librarians were all into it.
So, like, yeah, let's do it.
And it tried to be this really incredible experience with the kids.
Where at the end, they're like standing up, cheering, hugging each other, high It was just pure joy from beginning to end.
And I think it was one of those moments where you don't know what's gonna happen in the future, you don't know what's gonna happen if I make this decision, but let's just go with it.
Let's go with the option that seems more fun and it turned out to be more fun.
Yeah. No, I like that.
That's great approach to life.
What will make more of a memory, right?
And eventually, we'll be on the other side of anything, so at least we should get a good story out of it.
Yeah, so what are you looking forward to right now?
Right now, I'm pretty focused on this new podcast, Science Stuff, which folks can find anywhere they get podcasts.
And I'm super excited because it's an interesting deep dive into a different topic every week.
So one week, I'm taking a deep dive into near -death experiences.
Are those real? And the next week, I'm taking a deep dive into, well, what happens if you dig a hole to the center of the earth?
Is that even possible?
And then the next week I'm getting hypnotized by a couple of hypnotism experts to see if hypnotism really works.
Well, I can't wait for that one.
We'll look forward to listening to that and see where you go with that.
I guess I remember also while not swimming for an hour after eating as a kid on the beach, you know, wondering if I dug a sand hole to China, that might have been something to occupy the time for the hour that you couldn't swim.
These are deep questions we're asking.
deep questions, these are, Jorge.
I'm glad we're getting into the bottom of this.
So yeah, we can check out the Science Stuff podcast. Jorge, thank you so much for joining me today.
Awesome, thanks for having me.
Yeah, thank you to everyone for listening.
If you have feedback on this or any other episode, you can always reach me at lauravandercam .com, and in the meantime, this is Laura.
Thanks for listening, and here's to making the most of our time.
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