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Allison's a few years old, and she already sleeps really well in her own room every single night.
Her parents put so much effort in trying to make this room cute for her so that she actually wants to sleep in there at night.
They have those giant letters that spell out her name on top of her bed a l i s o n and she loves that that's her favorite part of her room and every single night she never complains she goes to her closet she checks inside her closet there's no monsters she checks under her bed there's no monsters
which i mean if someone is like daddy there's monsters under my bed it's creepy but it's still understandable considering she's three years old.
But Allison has zero complaints until one night, Allison's parents are passing by their daughter's door and they hear this man's voice and they freeze like mid -hallway because what the hell is that?
They stop, they listen, and they hear it again.
Allison is supposed to be asleep.
She has no screens in her room.
Nobody's in the house.
They don't have guests over and they have never even heard this voice before at all and it just says wake up allison you little slut what who the hell is talking to their three -year -old like that they slam open allison's door and they're checking everywhere they're checking the closet the window under the bed
the bathroom allison is getting confused like what is going on all of a sudden and all they see is the camera, the baby cam pointed directly at them.
It just moved. And it says, fucking bitch, to Allison's mom.
And then nothing. That's it.
The voice is gone. There are multiple different websites that you can go on.
You click the first link and it feels illegal to even be on here.
You feel like you're on the FBI's radar.
You are suddenly inside of somebody's living room watching the homeowner sit on the couch.
They're knitting. They're periodically glancing at the TV and knitting.
And you're like, do they know that I'm watching this right now?
The next camera you click is CCTV footage outside of someone's house.
Again, do they know that I can see this right now?
The next one you're like, okay, they definitely don't know.
It's somebody's bedroom.
It's their closet. It's their bathroom.
It's the mall. There's public places like gyms, hospitals, schools, prisons women's health clinics and then finally there are tons and tons of videos of private bedrooms with live footage of sleeping babies it's got to be super illegal right it's questionable a lot of these websites are not illegal
because they are accessing unencrypted video cameras like unsecured video cameras if you get a home security system and you don't change the password Technically, anyone could really access that.
Just know any security camera where you can access it on your phone.
So can anybody else, if they really try.
So there are websites that will just broadcast these unprotected home security cameras online.
So it's kind of gray area of is it really illegal?
Is it not illegal? Who's even running these websites?
It's weird. Some people who browse these websites daily, they explain, well, it's not that I'm a creep.
it's just like I'm lonely I'm lonely and I want to be around people and this is the most natural way to be around them which is fine if you're watching like the live footage of Times Square but to watch somebody else in their living room is kind of weird I would call a therapist I would call a police
officer but they continue and it's also this weird paranoia that if I keep clicking and watching different cameras I'm gonna pop up on there what does that mean they feel like the more they click one day it's going to show them on the screen like they it's like this fear that it's going to be you next
so they keep clicking and clicking and trying to make sure that they're not on these websites they say it's a very interesting feeling it's a mixture of complex feelings but i will say that some of the darker ones they really focus on baby cams live footage of baby cams now i imagine that this is probably
illegal but jamie didn't know that jamie's a mom and she just knows that her baby cam has this really cool feature where you can go on your phone and you can make the baby camera move.
You can make it look right, you can make it look left.
Just swiping on your phone, it'll turn the camera, the point of view.
It scans the entire room.
I'm assuming it's a really good convenience feature.
But she wakes up Wednesday morning and the camera is pointed not at the crib in her room, but it's pointed at her on the bed that she shares with her husband.
And she's like, why is the camera pointed at me?
I mean she doesn't remember setting it like that maybe her husband is at work and is wondering what my beautiful wife is up to is she up out of bed he moved the camera and then forgot to move it back regardless she's like not a big deal she gets up starts her day at dinner Kevin her husband comes home
and it's just the three of them Jamie Kevin and the baby and they're sitting there and she gets this alert.
Ding. Baby monitor being adjusted.
The camera is moving and she looks at Kevin.
She looks at Kevin's phone that is on the table.
He's not even touching his phone.
She opens up the baby cam app and she sees in real time, the camera is slowly moving to pan across the room.
It stops and it points directly at the armchair that she sits on.
And this armchair is where she breastfeeds her son every single day.
Then it scans to the adult bed.
I guess once they realize that nobody is there, it goes back to the bassinet, the crib where the baby sleeps.
Jamie's looking at Kevin.
Did you change the position of the camera earlier today?
He's like, well, what are you asking me right now?
Did you change the position?
Jamie runs into the bedroom.
She unplugs the camera and starts calling the police.
You got to help me.
Someone hacked into my baby cam.
She tries to log into her baby camera app and it's restricted It says insufficient permissions.
She can't even get into her own account anymore And the police tell her well, you're not the first one that's called us about this Like things like this happen quite frequently and there's not really anything we can do about it Wow Another netizen said I was changing my daughter's diaper and i just
had this feeling you know when you're outside you feel like someone's staring at you and you look and they're staring at you i had that in my house but i was alone so i looked around and then all of a sudden i hear this voice that's a really poopy diaper that's crazy coming out of the baby cam so they're
not just watching they basically hacked it yes hacked your system yes It's messing with you now.
Yeah. That is. A lot of creepy people will be hacking baby cameras, but that's not even the creepiest thing that you can find on a baby cam.
It can get so much worse.
A Chinese American couple in San Francisco, Dina and Tim, these are pseudonyms, by the way, they wish to remain anonymous.
They open up the old footage from their baby camera, like the ones at night when their baby is sleeping in her room, and they press play.
When you say old, is it like how old?
Like a few weeks old.
Because they noticed some things were off and they just wanted to check the footage, make sure that nothing had happened.
And they go into weeks old footage and they press play and they have this gut feeling it's going to be bad, but it's so much worse.
This is the worst thing that they have ever seen in their entire lives.
They click open the file, it's at night, makes everything creepier, it's black and white and everyone's eyes in the rooms are glowing So if you walk into the room on the camera, your eyes look like raccoon eyes.
It doesn't help the situation.
The camera is pointed from the corner of the room.
So inside, you see this queen -size bed, a small crib right next to the queen -size bed, as well as some desks and some other storage organization shelves in the room.
It's just like a basic room.
They press play, and they see this 56 -year -old woman standing at the edge of the bed, at the bottom of the adult size, queen size bed.
She's holding their newborn in her arms, maybe like a few days old.
And the baby is peaceful.
And the woman is just standing there peacefully.
It almost looks like she's zoning out.
Then out of nowhere, she pulls the baby up and throws the baby like a football onto the bed with so much force, the baby bounces off of the mattress and lands on the very edge of the mattress.
So, it's like bouncing on the bed because she's chucking that baby at the bed so hard.
A few days old, you said?
Yeah, like four days old.
The baby starts crying.
The baby was not crying before.
The baby starts crying now.
Is there audio too?
Yes. And the woman is silent.
She has no facial expressions.
She doesn't look angry.
She doesn't look in crazy.
See, she doesn't just nothing.
She's just got a blank face.
The woman walks over very calmly like a robot and starts grabbing the blanket on the bed and shoving it into the baby's mouth and then pressing down on the baby and strangling the baby.
Dina and Tim are shaking because that's their baby in the video.
That's their baby. And that woman, that woman is the freaking devil.
They click the next video.
They see the same woman standing above the baby's crib, their baby.
And the baby is peacefully sleeping.
The woman starts smacking it on the sides.
Again, her face is like empty.
There's no anger. There's no enjoyment on her face.
Is this a different day?
A different night. Just empty face, smacking the baby side to side.
Baby wakes up naturally, starts crying.
The woman grabs the edge of the blanket, shoves it in the baby's mouth and starts pressing down on the head and then she grabs both of her hands and starts pressing the baby into the crib like she's kneading a really hard, large batch of dough or clay.
Like it's incredibly rough.
She's putting her body weight into her hands.
She uses her hand to cover the entire baby's face because this baby is a few days old.
The face is tiny and she can't breathe anymore.
The baby can't breathe.
She stops crying. Only then does the woman give one more strong push before walking away from the crib.
As she's walking away from the crib, the baby starts crying because that makes sense.
The woman walks back, grabs the baby by the blanket.
So, you know, babies have to be swaddled when they're really young because their arms can't be free.
So you wrap them in like a blanket burrito.
She grabs one side.
Now the baby is probably standing, I want to say like a foot, a foot and a half off the mattress of the crib.
and she's holding the baby over the crib and she grabs one piece of the blanket and unrolls it, letting the baby roll, roll, roll, roll and then boom, land on the crib.
Free fall into the crib.
Yeah. Eventually, the woman takes the baby into her bed, the queen size bed, and starts shoving more blankets into the baby's mouth until the baby stops crying.
Now, what's very interesting is when you watch through this footage, there are moments where the baby is not crying and she will force the baby to cry by either roughly smacking its swaddle or by shaking it with so much force and then she will enact this crazy violent outburst against the baby.
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TikTok was banned for, I think, 24 hours.
Yeah, it was it was a very short amount of time and everyone was figuring out where are we supposed to go?
Like where on earth are we wanted as people who do scroll on TikTok on a daily basis, myself included.
And at first, people thought, well, the natural movement migration would be to Instagram.
I guess like the reals, right?
Maybe there. Others thought, remember when Vine disappeared, it was all to YouTube?
What if it's like that?
Which, side note, Americans collectively decided an enemy of my enemy is a friend of mine.
So they were thinking, who else hates the US government other than Americans?
Perhaps China. So within a day or two they don't go to instagram we don't go to youtube we went to the most downloaded app in the u .s called rednote it's actually like little red book i think is the more proper translation but nevertheless i'm obsessed with red by the way i had my husband downloaded
it for me for like a year ago a year or two ago and it's been wild to wake up one day and just see it filled with a bunch of Americans all on red all of a sudden.
I mean, the top comments are Americans leaving comments on Chinese netizens' posts of their day in their lives.
And they're saying, I'm here to reunite with my Chinese spy.
And then to which Chinese netizens have come to comment, give me your data.
Finger gun, finger gun.
Chinese students have posted their English homework online on red for Americans to help them, which results in them failing because Americans are never taught proper grammar apparently.
And we can't even teach a non -English speaker English.
It's been kind of crazy.
But right before that is what Red Note was known for.
There was another big case in China and America involving Red Note and TikTok.
It is the Bay Area California nanny case.
In the Bay Area, this is around San Francisco, there's this small suburban home.
And there's a woman who is sticking her head out the window and she's shoving her phone out the second floor window recording every single person in the driveway and there's a row of people in the driveway and they're staring proudly back at her like you're recording me okay fine record me and they're spraying
the words baby abuser all over her garage doors wow how many people's outside like a good handful of this random place and there's still remnants of eggshells on her driveway from when her house was egged.
I mean, the woman that everyone is calling a baby abuser is an alleged higher up at TikTok.
TikTok? TikTok, the company.
And all of this leads back to a series of posts made on the app Red Note.
It's getting crazy, okay?
Dina and Tim are on Red Note and they're looking for a Chinese speaking nanny, but in America.
They live in San Francisco.
But they're on the Chinese app and they want a Chinese nanny who lives in San Francisco and they're on this like months and months in advance.
They know the due date.
They've already gotten all the clothes, the paperwork, all the essentials, and now they're just waiting to give birth and find a nanny.
Dina's not really in a rush, which is why she starts looking so early on.
She just wants to make sure that she can find a nanny that she fully trusts.
She's skipping through all the nannies that are posting on the red app, the Chinese app, until she comes across one where the caption reads San Francisco Postpartum Nanny Recommendation and the picture the the main picture you see is this huge spread of food freshly steamed shrimp lady fingers soup
eggs dumplings I mean the food looks really clean and it's all homemade and it's all beautifully laid out on the table the original poster is she's not the nanny she goes on to rave about the nanny she said I use this nanny for my very first pregnancy and she's just so gentle she's experienced but also incredibly
competent and capable on top of that the nanny is actually my neighbor's mom so it's like someone i can trust which you know obviously helps and the photo of the food i'm assuming it's the nanny's cooking yeah so she's showing off what she can make and how helpful she is and she's saying well this is you
know pretty much a referral if you will the person that posts this referral on red note she works as the hiring recruiter talent acquisition at tiktok i believe she's the head of talent acquisition like for is that hr or are we talking about more so for it's okay it's it's interesting so a hiring recruiter
will go out and they will manage the team of people that hire people so they'll facilitate the interviews look for the recommendations i guess facilitate the background checks talent acquisition they actually are more network based so they will find ways to make TikTok a more marketable company for employees
because you're trying to attract the top talent.
If you were the top talent in your field, why would you go to TikTok over meta versus all these other tech brands?
So you're trying to facilitate the best environment and the best, I guess, comp package and make it amazing for people who want to work for TikTok.
It's a pretty big deal.
I think the average salary for talent acquisition in big tech companies probably bass is like 2 300 a year that's a lot okay so dina dms the original poster and her name is christina and she asks hey can we talk on the phone or at least like text i just want to know more about the nanny and about the experience
that you had working with the nanny she gets on the phone and she's explaining to dina yeah you know what's interesting because i'm actually pregnant just like you.
Yeah. So I was going to use the nanny again.
And because it went so well the first time I loved her for my first pregnancy.
But the reason that I'm not is because I think I might be going back to China to give birth.
So I booked her originally, and then I canceled on her.
So I felt so bad. And that's why I made that referral post on Red because she really is a great nanny.
I mean, I would definitely have used her again.
But again, I'm going to China.
So after talking to Christina, Dina's like, okay, you know what?
I feel good about this nanny.
And also it helps because it's not the nanny that's posting about her own services.
It's another Bay Area mom who already used her.
She feels good about it.
So she books the nanny for three months and it is $10 ,000 a month.
Okay, I'm going to explain it in a second because that's a lot of money, but it'll be worth it because this woman is not a regular nanny.
September 2024, Dina gives birth to baby, baby H.
And she's honestly so relieved that she's found a nanny months ahead of time because first of all, baby H comes early and she's on the smaller side.
She's like five pounds.
She's, times epidural didn't take well.
So they had to keep dosing her with more pain meds.
Five pounds sounds very, very light.
Yeah. What's the average, like 10?
Oh, I think like seven.
But five is really light because my niece came early and she was a little heavier than five too.
So she said it caused severe back pain because of all the epidurals.
The doctors told her it's going to take you a lot longer to fully recover compared to your previous labor situation.
This is her second child.
And she's having some pretty alarming postpartum bleeding.
Some bleeding is normal, but this is, you just have to keep an eye out.
because this feels like it could be a problem.
Dina's fine. They send her home with baby H but they have to be super diligent.
They got to monitor the whole situation.
It doesn't help that Tim is working.
They've got so much going on.
Dina's in pain. Baby H came early.
There's a lot and the only thing that's saving them is that they got a nanny.
Like good thing they got a freaking nanny.
And the post on red that they originally saw, it was talking about how this nanny has five years of experience And she has this almost obsessive level of cleanliness.
She needs everything to be clean, which for the most part, the first few days that she comes, Dina and Tim are like, oh yeah, she does have an obsessive level of cleanliness.
Nanny Lou shows up.
She's 56. She's this very maternal looking Chinese lady.
She's on time, immediately starts going to work.
She's very diligent.
And it does feel like she's done this quite often.
She keeps asking the parents, you have to install baby cams in the room.
You have to monitor the app in the room.
And how do I monitor the app?
Because if I'm in the kitchen and I'm cooking or I'm doing something, I got to make sure that I can keep an eye on the baby.
Wow. Yeah. And the parents take her phone and they can't download the freaking app because she has a Huawei phone, which is a Chinese phone that's banned in America.
So they're like, OK, why don't you just use our iPad?
We'll download it on the iPad.
You can watch on the iPad.
She's like, OK, thank you.
The next day, she wakes up in the morning and the nanny looks stressed.
Dina and Tim are like, what's wrong?
Why are you so stressed?
What's going on with the baby?
She's explaining, no, no, no.
Nothing's wrong with the baby.
It's just, obviously, I woke up to feed the baby in the middle of the night, but I can't remember if it was 2 .30 in the morning or 3 in the morning.
I feel like it was 2 .30 because I was trying to keep a log, but I guess I was tired.
I forgot to write it down.
Could you guys check the camera and see what time it was?
was the camera the nanny's suggestion they installed it yes wow yes that's wild so a lot nannies actually want cameras yeah yeah yeah but for this case though and she's like can you check the camera to see if i fed the baby at 2 30 in the morning or at three in the morning yeah this is crazy pre -meditation like
yeah there's so much thinking so hold on to that and she's like because right now I'm cooking and I can't remember what time it was.
And if you're like, why is the nanny cooking?
Let me explain. She is a Chinese confinement nanny.
This is also very common in Korea.
And that's probably why she gets paid around $10 ,000 a month.
It is, I would say the pretty accurate belief that the human body needs to recover heavily after giving birth.
And in China and in places like Korea, they take it very seriously.
Obviously, we should take it seriously in America, but I don't know, the way it's set up, you barely get maternal leave, right?
The new mothers will typically be confined to their house for 30 days straight.
Yeah, sometimes you can't even, yeah, you have to.
You can't leave the house for 30 days.
You have to only eat nutritious warm meals.
You can't let your body be cold.
So you can't eat cold food.
You can only eat foods that warm you up.
Like papaya is a big one.
And you need to help aid with your milk production.
They're not even technically, if you do it the old school way, you're not even technically allowed to shower for 30 days because you're washing away immunity and you're going to get sick and you're going to be cold.
I think most Koreans don't take it as seriously.
But we will only eat like miyoku seaweed soup for like 30 days.
And because this is nearly impossible to do, a lot of people in the US will hire a confinement nanny.
So like a lot of Chinese parents, Korean parents.
And it's very different from a regular nanny.
A regular nanny, their focus is on the baby.
They're not cooking food unless it's for the baby, right?
It's already pre -established.
Confinement nannies, all they care about is the person who gave birth and the baby.
The partner, other kids, we don't care about you.
You are nobody to this confinement nanny.
And it's actually, you're supposed to, the confinement nannies, if they're really good, they will typically protect the mother from everybody else.
If the mother -in -law comes in and is like, why aren't you doing this?
The confinement nanny is like, hey lady, get your ass out of here.
If the husband is like, where's my dinner?
The confinement nanny is like, hey, go sleep outside.
It's very intense. There's even hotels.
Have you seen those?
Yes. Like you just go there for like a few months after giving birth.
They will really take care of you all day long, all day, all night and the baby.
Yeah. Like a resource spa recovery center.
It's crazy. They're drying your hair after your shower because you can't get cold.
They're preparing ginger baths because ginger is supposed to help your body retain heat.
And because they cost typically around $10 ,000 a month, you really want to make sure that your confinement nanny is the perfect one.
Now, obviously, I don't know if it costs $10 ,000 all across the US.
San Francisco is probably on the more expensive side.
So I would maybe guesstimate five to ten on average right now a few days into being in the house dina's like you know maybe i did pick the right confinement nanny because she's asking me if she fed the baby at 2 30 3 in the morning she wants me to check the cameras so that she can log it down i mean she's
got this whole paper of when that baby was fed but then she tells the nanny oh we don't have the playback feature yet because we just like installed these cameras and we have to sign up for the subscription there's like a problem with it anyway right now we can we can only see it live but we can't play
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they're hyper alert about everything in that house and they notice just like the smallest thing, the nanny starts slacking off.
She's not abusive or anything.
She just seems like she's slacking a little bit, which they think, okay, maybe we're just being paranoid as new parents.
Maybe she's tired. Maybe she's not having a good day.
Like we're just hypersensitive and we want everyone to function at 110 % because that's what parents want, right?
For their baby. But she does seem a lot, she seems a lot less caring.
That's just the feeling she gets.
It's a very subtle shift.
Dina asks her husband, do you know that old camera we had in the room that's not a baby cam, but it's for security that we had in all the rooms just because when we were both at work, we don't want anything to happen to the house.
Do you still have that in there?
He's like, oh yeah, I still have that.
It's like in the corner of the room.
I don't think it's pointing directly at the crib, but do you want me to check it?
She's like, yeah, could you check it?
Is this weeks later?
This is a few days later So this does in fact record footage And The nanny didn't know that Huh?
No They didn't even focus on Because baby cams and security cams I guess in their minds They had completely separated the two Baby cams are typically pointed at the crib And so they're like Okay, well Maybe we'll just check it So they go through the previous night Like a few minutes of the previous
night yeah and there's this one section where tim is watching it the baby starts crying the nanny walks over and grabs the baby a few days old at this point grabs the baby and kind of shakes her a little bit because she's crying but it's not a violent shake it doesn't feel like she's gonna have any
health concerns it just seems like oh please like why are you crying like you shake a baby rattle like come on get it out of your system but still not okay it's not the most violent thing but still absolutely not okay it's she's being rough so Dina and Tim they confront her and they're like hey could you
just be a little more gentle when you touch the baby and immediately the nanny is sobbing she's breaking down on the floor and she's complaining about how exhausted she is at night she wakes up so late at night her eyes hurt her back hurts everything hurts and it's not even money is not even the issue
both her daughter and her son -in -law are high -ranking employees in silicon valley oh you mean tim and no no oh oh she's saying her kids oh that's weird yeah she's like i'm not even doing this for money i'm doing this because i love kids and like money is not the issue but i'm just so exhausted right
now and they thought it was really weird and she keeps explaining to them i would never do anything inhumane she says it's not in my nature to ever harm a baby dina and tim they're comforting her because it's so strange but there's also something about her reaction that irks them it just rubs them the wrong
way because why are you telling me that you would never do anything inhumane to a baby i feel like that's baseline yeah it's like telling someone i would never kill anyone it's like well i would assume that you would never kill anyone it's very bizarre so they start going through more of the old footage
and they see that she's a little bit more rough every single night and they don't see the extent of the full footage they just see glimpses pieces and parts so you're saying they're checking daily they're just no they're just going back even more yes and they just see a few little moments where she's
again being rough in a way that they don't like it doesn't seem to be a one -time thing they don't go through all the footage they feel like we've seen enough we've seen a few clips that's not what we want in our house you're gone get out of here you're not a good nanny so they didn't see all the clips
that i was telling you about earlier yeah they just see some small very rough they just see some small very rough very i would consider abusive but you know they don't call the cops they just say get out so how long was nanny there for 10 days okay so that's when they yes she's gone she's gone they
fire the nanny they kick her out and the whole time she's packing her stuff She's not even trying to question why they're kicking her out.
She's not even asking, oh, can I get paid for the 10 days, which they, again, think is very weird.
Because if you genuinely feel like you didn't do anything wrong, you'd be like, why am I getting kicked out?
Where's my payment?
This is unfair. You booked me for three months.
I could have booked other clients.
Nothing, just silence and she leaves.
And now they're just trying to focus on getting back to normal because it's a sudden change without a nanny.
Dina's still recovering.
Tim is taking care of her and the kids whilst working.
And so finally, weeks pass.
And then they're like, you know what?
Just something about that nanny irks me.
Now they're clear -minded.
Things have gotten better.
Dina's recovered. And she's like, I want to...
Let's go through all the footage.
Dina cannot even handle looking at the footage.
Tim said, I was sitting there watching.
And each time the nanny even shows up on the baby cam, I had to mentally prepare myself.
my heart would start racing my hands could not even stay still while they're holding on to the phone sometimes when he sees the nanny in view he just wants to squint his eyes because he knows what she's about to do to their baby and he's just sobbing the whole time wiping his tears wiping the tears
off the screen I will say that the footage is so violent the footage is I mean people that don't even know baby h like myself no relation to baby h it's so hard to watch the it's so hard to watch the footage i think it's worse because it's very unexpected there will be moments where the nanny is holding
the baby in her arms and it seems like she's kind of rocking the baby back and forth and then all of a sudden out of nowhere she chucks the baby across the room so this happened started when like the first night second night yeah immediately Dina starts freaking out She and Tim are both just trying
to figure out What the hell they're gonna do about this And then they reach out to the girl on Red Note That even posted about the nanny in the first Place, she's not responding So I'm so sorry, so about the footage Yes Was that like What was it, is it just constant Like every couple hours Just throughout
the night She would walk into the room and abuse the child And then leave She sleeps in that room so she sleeps on that queen -size bed and the crib is next to her every time she has to do midnight feedings yeah you know throughout the night and she has to comfort the baby when it's crying when the baby is crying
right right right but instead she's just like yeah hurting the baby and then you'll see moments where she's bottle feeding the baby and then she'll get up and she has to burp the baby but she'll burp the baby so hard the baby starts crying and then she'll start shoving blankets into the baby's mouth
so it doesn't even feel not that abuse is ever logical but it's not like this baby is crying i'm at my wits end not that that's okay i'm not even please okay but it's even scarier yeah because it's almost like she's trying to make the baby cry so that she can abuse the baby that is weird okay it's very
bizarre now this red note referral is not responding at first dina and tim are trying to reach out because first of all this lady is crazy and you need to help us get to the bottom of it and second of all she could have done this to your baby because you also used her as a confinement nanny no response
so interestingly enough they decide why don't we try like running her phone number because something about this feels wrong she was pretty responsive and now all of a sudden if we tell you hey the nanny you used for your baby is abusive you wouldn't want to call me back immediately that doesn't make
sense as a mother yeah they run the phone number and this girl that recommends the nanny on the app is not a random customer providing her two cents and a referral she is the nanny's daughter she's got the same last name everything whoa but nowhere nowhere in the post does it say hey this nanny is my
mom in fact it says this nanny is my neighbor's mom it's a flat out lie it's not even an omission of the truth.
Christina, the red note OP, the girl that recommends the nanny, the daughter of the nanny, she made it appear as if she has relatively zero incentive to promote this nanny other than perhaps her guilt for canceling on her.
She made it appear to be the most natural referral process, just vouching for the nanny when it's her mom.
It is alleged that she not only lied about that, but she helped her mom get a travel visa into the US from China.
So her mom was living in China, she gets her into the United States on a tourist visa, which you're not allowed to work in the country on a tourist visa.
But then she's setting her mom up to work in the country, allegedly, which is illegal.
So once all of these little sick puzzles are coming together, Dina and Tim are messaging Christina nonstop.
I wouldn't even say they're calling her out.
They're being quite understanding.
Even in their initial message, it's along the lines of, Hello, I'm the mother who just fired your mother Nanny Lu, I'm not sure if you're aware of the reason behind your mother being let go But it was child abuse We would like to arrange a face -to -face meeting with you to discuss this matter There are some
videos that might help you understand and make a judgment We also want to discuss how to properly handle this situation moving forward Thank you They didn't file police report?
They do eventually But they're basically reaching out to her to state I don't even know if you know this about your mom Like, I'm about to break some very harsh news to you.
Christina does not give a response.
No response. So then they go to the police.
They file a police report.
The police tell them, we can't do anything.
Because that woman is back in China.
Wow. She allegedly left for China the night that she was fired.
Wow. Yeah. That's crazy.
The police can't help.
Christina allegedly doesn't want to help.
Dina and Tim decide find that.
We're going to try and get them to help.
We're going to go on Red Note.
We're going to go on Douyin, which is Chinese TikTok, and we're going to tell everybody what happened so it doesn't happen to anybody else.
Who knows? She could be in China right now trying to be a confinement nanny.
So November of 2024, their social media post goes viral.
It's a long post with pictures of the nanny's ID card along with her social media profile and a Google Drive with all the baby cam videos of the abuse and they write, CA video, watch with caution.
The nanny's name is Lou.
She was recommended to us by another mother on red note in May of 2024.
The other mother on red note said the nanny was her neighbor's mom and she had hired her for her first child.
We contacted this red note, we contacted this red note referral and spoke to her on the phone to inquire about how the nanny was and ultimately we decided on a three -month schedule with the nanny but instead this is what happened.
There's nine clips inside the google drive the video starts with a disclaimer this video might be the most malicious maternity nanny in the world open carefully this video is shocking warning mothers with high blood pressure should be cautious are you linking these in source notes or no i will just
be very careful yeah it would um i'm not a mother my sister saw the videos and she said it kept her up for like two nights.
It's very viscerally, you see it and you can't unsee it.
And yeah, and she's a mom of two.
So it was rough. The case blows up to the point where even if you type in the words Bay area on Douyin and read for a while and not anymore, but at that point, one of the first results was Bay area abusive nanny.
Everybody starts sharing, resharing this video.
And at first, I will say netizens' reactions were kind of mixed.
A good chunk of netizens, they're busy commenting on the video itself because of just how visceral the image is.
But a lot of netizens are also confused by baby H's parents, Dina and Tim.
They're attacking them going, why didn't you immediately call the cops the night you fired her?
When you found out that she was suspicious, why didn't you immediately investigate further?
I'm so mad. Why don't you watch over your own baby?
But other netizens' posts, they start going viral too.
And they're They're also Bay Area moms and they're commenting, that's the freaking nanny that we initially tried to hire.
We interviewed her.
One poster says, we saw the original post from Christina too.
And we thought, okay, well, she sounds nice.
We get to the phone call stage where I'm talking to the nanny on the phone.
The way she spoke and the way she answered questions was quite unprofessional.
And then compared to her resume, which was over the top and professional, it just felt like it didn't make sense.
yeah that's why we didn't hire the nanny another poster comes online to say i almost hired her too but the reason i didn't was honestly like it was a whole fight between her and her husband too because it's kind of embarrassing at the time it seems stupid we didn't hire her because i was going through
her social media account and all of her pictures were heavily filtered and edited for a 56 year old woman which like i know i know it's bad to just judge people like that but compared to other professional nannies that were posting on red note it just kind of felt weird.
You know, most professional nannies were posting natural, unedited photos, at least on their professional account, to showcase their lives and what kind of person they are.
But it's just weird.
It's just weird. You know, but my husband was like, give her a chance.
We went to the phone interview.
And that's when we noticed something more alarming.
The original poster, Christina, mentioned that the nanny was from a big city, Beijing.
This is like saying they're from New York, right?
Cities in China are ranked as tiers.
Beijing is a tier one city and quite literally the nation's capital.
There is some stigma, unfortunately, of professionals from tier one cities might be considered, I guess, biased more advanced, you know, because it's a tier one city, which is clearly a huge selling point.
Otherwise, Christina wouldn't have even put it in the original post that she's from Beijing, right?
But when this woman gets on the phone with the nanny the only thing she's noticing is her thick northeastern accent nothing is wrong with that there's actually a lot of tier one cities in the northeast it's just a random lie it felt like she's like it's so random and weird i guess it would be the equivalent
of instead of saying you're from dallas or austin or atlanta still massive cities you're like oh yeah i'm from new york i'm from new york city i'm from manhattan it's kind of like i don't know why you would have to lie about that there's nothing wrong with it it's just why interestingly enough another
netizen comes forward and she says oh i had such a bad time too during the hiring process but now with the nanny with her daughter christina yeah so if the netizens discourse is 100 accurate then this means christina does work at tiktok as the talent acquisition lead allegedly and she's supposed to
be helping attract top talent.
Sometimes she'll do interviews when there's some really big talent that she wants to bring over to TikTok, poach, if you will.
And I would imagine to some degree, she has to be a likable human being.
One netizen writes, I was interviewed by Christina.
The whole time she was super unprofessional.
She made multiple, several attempts to lowball my salary.
Everyone I know in the industry that knows her does not like her.
So all these things are coming together online and Christina never reaches out to Dina and Tim at this point.
They're posting online and people are putting the pieces together.
It appears that Christina, the TikTok employee, is the one that brought her mom through a tourist visa.
Allegedly illegally set it up so that she could find a job in America, which she's not supposed to be working on a tourist visa.
Lied about a bunch of things.
And then Christina's husband, so the nanny's son -in -law, was allegedly the one to drive her to Dina and Tim's house for the job.
Now, this is very important because he reportedly, allegedly, makes almost half a million dollars a year working for Snap, the parent company of Snapchat.
And remember, Nanny Liu said, my daughter and my son -in -law are executives, high -ranking executives in Silicon Valley.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. it's believed that together they i mean total comp maybe they make like seven figures a year who knows a million dollar household income and yet their shitty mother must work as a violent abusive borderline homicidal nanny i mean that's what netizens can't even wrap their minds around
because sure if you don't have money maybe you force your parents into a job that you know they're going to be bad at, maybe you don't know how bad they'll be, but they don't even need her to work.
They make way more.
I mean, yes, the Bay Area is expensive, but are you serious?
The nanny, Christina's mom, can't even legally work.
I mean, none of this is making any sense.
So netizens dig even further and they find out that Christina had actually posted about her mom way before her being a nanny.
She was on these forums on WeChat.
So the nanny posts are on rednote which is the tiktok refugee app then you have wechat which is like whatsapp and she's posting on there in these groups these group chats where she recommends her mom as a nanny and she says i'm recommending a nanny my colleague originally booked her so now she's switching
it up but this is older than rednote post yes okay my colleague originally booked her but recently she decided to return to China to have a baby so now it's her colleague not her she recommended the nanny to me several of my colleagues have used this nanny she's very clean and reliable and the daughter
also lives in the area so lots of trust not on WeChat and she's writing wait wasn't someone here looking for a cleaning lady my colleague just moved and his cleaning lady is now available she's Chinese she's been working for their family for a really long time I haven't hired her personally but if anybody
needs her i can get him to send me the info i heard she's quite cheap their house is a two -story home probably 15 1800 square feet the cleaning lady comes in once a week and charges 50 no time limit which side note that's an insanely low fee to charge i remember when we were in new york which i'm assuming
it's comparable to the rates of sf i mean it's crazy like these rates everyone online were like these rates don't even make sense especially in a big city.
According to Reddit and other online sources, house cleaning services in the Bay Area, you're looking at $30 to $70 per hour.
It's going to take multiple hours to clean a 1 ,500 to 1 ,800 square foot home, depending on how messy it is.
$50 for the entire place just doesn't make any sense.
And because it's such a good deal, everyone on WeChat starts asking for the contact information.
They're responding in the chat like, oh my God, please, please, please.
One person comments, oh my God, the price for cleaning is lower than the floor.
Like it cannot go lower.
It's already on the floor.
Please, I need the contact info.
What kind of godsend price is this?
Christina responds, I'm also so tempted to use the cleaner, but my mom is visiting in the US and she's been cleaning my house.
She's definitely not as good and she's got a really nasty temper.
I never got to use the cleaning lady for cleanings.
So let me know if you guys want the women's contact info.
and then she sends the phone number which turns out to be christina's personal phone number and the person that she's referring is her mother which side note what makes all of this even more twisted if it's true is that again christina makes a lot of money and on top of that she works as talent acquisition for tiktok
let's be pretty real she probably knows to a i would say relatively deep level how advertising works her way of advertising her mom is so meticulously thought out and sinister it's she never says it's my mom because what's wrong with that you could just say hey my mom works as a you know yeah as a housekeeper
she would love a job yeah it's different yeah and it also sounds like she definitely knows the mom's problem yes like a thousand percent a nasty temper?
Yeah. Yeah. Oh, just wait, there's more group chats.
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That said, to everybody's amazement, it does get worse.
It's said that Dina and Tim, they fired the nanny October 3rd.
And October 4th, someone in the group chat is explaining, hey, I still need a cleaner.
I still need a cleaner.
AKA the nanny, aka Christina's mom who is now in China and they were told quote oh the cleaners are fully booked and they're not accepting any new appointments there's no more slots available if anyone's wondering no the cleaner fled to China oh so she's knows exactly what just happened yeah okay and it's
still responding like oh she's booked she's all the way booked but that's clearly not true so people are digging up all this information within 24 hours of Dina and Tim's initial expose that's posted on Chinese social media now mind you up until all of this from October into November Christina is not reaching
out they're trying to work with the police the police can't really do anything because there's no extradition treaty with China even with the video evidence there's nothing that they can do Christina never reaches out not once but within 24 hours of this expose going up she posts online Christina posts
online victims please contact me if you have been harmed what yeah that's it no and then she continues i am nanny lou's daughter regarding this matter i did not take the responsibilities for safeguarding the situation and i did not know nor care for my mother's personal health and mental state regarding
my mother's working as a nanny in the u .s we did not know that this was happening for the full nine months that she was here in the u .s she did not live with us She used my Red Note account to post, pretending to be me, and used my cell phone number to contact the victims.
I did not know about any of this.
Really? Yeah. Wow. If you do not believe me, we can video chat so that you can see that I'm not the referral's voice.
Regarding this matter, I feel so wronged.
I don't know how to fix this, either it just feels incredibly unjust.
With my family's financial condition, I did not have any reason to recommend my mother for her to obtain an illegal job in the US aka I'm rich aka like why are you throwing this in there?
And she's saying regarding the aftermath I don't understand why the parents of the child did not call the police right away but instead chose to let my mother go back to China and then chose to address the issue by online bullying my family.
My husband did not receive the messages you claim you sent us.
The reason for not responding immediately is One, my mother did not admit to doing anything that she was accused of.
Two, child abuse is very serious and it's a crime.
We were hoping that the police would handle the issue.
On top of that, when the police asked us and inquired about this issue, that was the first time that I saw the security footage.
It shook me to my core.
After I confirmed the safety of the baby, my first reaction was, is there something wrong with my mom?
Like, is she having a mental breakdown?
the week that i spoke to the police we were constantly dealing with the authorities constantly dealing with this matter i was repeatedly calling my parents in china suggesting that they go to the hospital to get my mom's mental state checked out did i try to avoid this matter yeah i did i admit that because i
didn't want to get in contact with the parents directly i wanted to trust that the police would handle it if they were going to arrest my mother they should arrest my mother if they were going to sentence my mother then she should be sentenced.
Whatever needs to be done, it's fine.
Please, everyone, just try to think in my shoes for once.
If this happened to you and your mom refused to admit this, and then you see the security footage only to realize the truth, besides taking care of your mom, what more can you do?
What can I do in this situation?
This has already happened.
I mean, comparing the damage to the family of the baby that they've received, you know, the damage that it's done to me and my family is I guess dismissible the impact that it's had on me is you know insignificant I can very much understand the parents of the baby's anger after two months and I also understand that they're
not seeking money but in my current stage I can't fix my mom so all I can do is beg for the parents to answer my call if you don't want the police to handle that then I'm also open to hearing your demands so we can settle it privately I mean I guess who raised her right yeah there's not a single apology
in the statement i mean this is the hill you want to die on like child abuse is okay it's not my problem that's the hill it's always hard to understand when people decide to be so stubborn and wrong and morally corrupt like it doesn't even make sense christina basically complains for lack of a better
words she did her best this is not my problem my mom might be mentally ill why don't you let the police handle it also the post is riddled with you know me when i lie moments you know that meme things just don't make sense your mother hasn't lived with you for the past nine months how did she get access
to your red note account and your phone number to impersonate you not to mention the referral post that was made promoting nanny lou as the best nanny ever it was written with a lot of trendy words i guess like you would say more slang yeah it's not something yeah my parents can't even figure out how
to make an account yeah what are talking about exactly so after this post after this post blows up more screenshots get unearthed and i will say this time around it's very difficult to validate these screenshots so take it with a grain of salt but someone claims that they are in a group chat with christina christina has been
ranting about this situation to the group chat allegedly she wrote in her chat that she wanted her mom to work in the united states because she doesn't want her to just sit around at home and do nothing all day.
Then she allegedly goes on to write, Look, the employer didn't pay enough, so she threw the baby.
The child was hit. That was that.
They definitely didn't pay her enough for all that work.
Anyway, once this turmoil dies down, I'm going to treat everyone in this group chat to a meal.
What? Another alleged chat says, In a few days, the internet will move on.
No one in China even cares what you're seeing.
The outrage is just all fake commotion based on what big data is pushing to you.
Let the law handle it The outrage is going to die down I mean what?
Do I need to go to jail too?
Again, these are alleged messages Finally, someone in the group chat gets fed up with it And allegedly responds to Allegedly Christina You're just indifferent to it?
Do you really feel nothing about the videos of your mom abusing the baby?
Or are you just like your mom?
If this is actually Christina The account responds I'm used to it That's why I want her to work She can't just stay at home Whatever grievances that the mom has, like what does it have to do with me?
The worst part is it is said and alleged that Christina changed her profile picture in the group chat to be of baby H.
So one person that exposed the group chat said from the beginning to the very end, she never felt that she nor her mother were in the wrong.
Instead she believes it's Dina that's in the wrong.
That's her attitude.
That Dina and Tim are the reason for all of this happening to her.
Her attitude feels very much like Everyone is bullying me on the internet Like what does this have to do with me?
Why am I getting bullied?
I'm not the one that hit the kid Even the very original post She's saying that Why didn't you call the police right away?
Are you kidding me?
That's your first response?
Yeah Oh and then she makes another post It almost feels sarcastic The opening line is I'm the daughter of the malicious nanny from the Bay Area This is her second post Yes We have been speaking and communicating with the police about this matter If the affected family is still unsatisfied and wishes
to resolve this privately please answer the phone Currently we have received many personal attacks and threatening messages which we have reported to the police We hope that people will stop illegally sharing our personal information All my explanations and actions to address this issue will only be
conveyed directly to the family involved Thank you for your understanding Wow People went in People went into TikTok See what's interesting is she did really good at marketing the mother right she understand what the algorithm what people want to see and it worked but when this happened but backlash
happened like anybody else I can see like whatever she's doing right now is gonna make the things 10 times worse now everyone hates you not just your mom but you yeah but because they're not they're you know they're messed up inside they can't even help it to be evil right they can't even take a second
to think oh maybe i should apologize first and not to play the victim card they can't even help it you see that like she doesn't even she can't help it yeah it's i find that um when people are just really bad people it always comes out even if they're smart successful it just comes out yes when it when the tension is high
they can't they don't know how to how to you know change that It's crazy And people were upset A lot of people that were on Chinese social media That were on Red Note They also work for TikTok And they were reporting her internally Non -stop Everybody was reporting her And finally someone who allegedly
works at TikTok And again take this with a grain of salt Said yeah okay So her status right after this whole thing blew up Everybody reported her Was on leave And then now it's account not found In the internal like i guess uh employee she's fired it seems like she was fired and it's also off her linkedin her
linkedin has gone kind of private if you will but it does appear that her husband is still working at snap people have mixed feelings about this it's a i would say it's like a spectrum some people think that the husband okay christina getting fired for her online post is one thing yeah because you work
at head of talent acquisition you're like the worst person to entice people to work for TikTok.
You just don't do your job well anymore, right?
But with the husband, people are a little more mixed.
Some people are saying, well, he didn't really have involvement.
That's not his mother.
And should his whole life be ruined because of that too?
But then other people are saying he drove her.
He drove her to the place of employment.
So even if he didn't know that his mother -in -law was abusive, like his wife seems to know, he still knew that she was illegally working.
So you're still allegedly indirectly helping commit a crime.
Now, as for the nanny, I don't think anything will happen to her unless she commits a crime in China that is different from this, or she tries to come back into the US, which I don't think she ever will.
There seems to be not much else the police can do at this point.
As of baby H, she has received full body x -rays and MRIs.
She is too young to know if there's any lasting impacts from the abuse.
It does seem like there were no direct critical conditions that need to be, you know, examined, but I'm sure the guilt, the trauma, and the anxiety of like, okay, what if it's still going to be there for a really long time?
The parents say that they feel so much guilt that their baby suffered inexplicable harm for the first 10 days on earth.
They don't even know if their family will ever psychologically heal from this trauma.
Regardless, some netizens feel like everybody in the case is to blame, including baby H's parents, Dina and Tim.
In fact, some netizens even take it further and they feel like the parents are the main blame.
They say, so a newborn was left with a stranger?
Why have a baby for someone else to look after, especially a newborn?
Stop leaving your kids with other people.
Another reads, I don't excuse this abuser at all, but parents should be aware that there are people like this.
You really cannot trust strangers with your children.
Being aware of that and planning ahead to stay at home with your kids even for a few years is being a responsible parent a few years.
It's up to you to protect your kids and raise them.
If you can't put your kids before your job you are not ready to be a parent maybe ever.
Some other netizens agree writing, leaving babies to strangers is taking chances.
Why can't moms stay at home to take care of their own?
Don't have babies if you can't provide maternal care.
Another reads, popping out a baby and immediately handing her over to a random nanny is mind -blowing.
There's all a thread of netizens agreeing and shouting into the abyss of their echo chamber, writing, women have been doing it for hundreds of years, but nowadays we don't do it anymore.
It's sad that our baby's life is not worth it.
They have to worry about long -term effects on the baby now because she was, you know, tired.
The nanny was tired and abused the baby.
I mean, I don't mean disrespect, but it's the truth.
To some degree, I think that everyone is entitled to their own opinion, but no, I don't think you are.
One comment reads, for those blaming the parents not taking care of the baby themselves, this nanny was actually hired as a postpartum doula.
This is very common in China.
Postpartum nannies are specifically trained to take care of newborns, so they start their job when the baby is one day old.
Their salary reaches towards $10 ,000 a month because of their specialty.
The baby's mother is also suffering from major bleeding when giving birth, so she was hospitalized.
Other parents just didn't agree with the way the parents handled it.
They say it's not the parent's fault, but, okay, I understand the point, but why are you not checking the camera footage videos on a daily basis.
I would watch the camera every time the nanny goes in or at least check daily what she does at nighttime especially when the baby is so young.
Others are commenting why bother getting a camera if you're not going to check it especially in the beginning.
It's like getting a house alarm but never setting it because it's a safe neighborhood.
Others write during my postpartum my baby and nanny stayed with me in my room full -time because I was so paranoid.
But most netizens are fighting back.
They say in another interview the mother said she suffered postpartum hemorrhaging and was extremely weak during this period.
Dad needed to go to work during the daytime.
Not every mom is lucky to recover perfectly within a few days.
Can't people be nice and understanding?
Other netizens were more focused on the actual abuse.
They say, honestly, I just watched the first two seconds and I instantly had to turn off the video.
I felt like I was watching someone murder a newborn.
It was that violent.
Another comment reads, at first I thought she threw a doll.
I didn't imagine she was hurting a baby like that.
And some netizens are focused on the question that a lot of netizens have.
Wow, so both the husband and wife are high earning tech workers.
Why does the mother even need to take the nanny job?
She's obviously a horrible nanny and now a criminal.
It just sounds like too much greed.
Honestly, for that, I think they should lose everything.
Another netizen writes, the daughter and son -in -law of the nanny should be arrested for felony accessory after the fact and afterwards be sued in civil court for everything that they own.
Some netizens disagree commenting, oh, so we're firing people for crimes committed by their relatives.
What do you guys think?
I mean, it's not just crimes committed by the relative though.
They got the job, they drove her to work.
And then to a degree, we can assume or allege that they helped her flee the country.
What do you guys think?
Do you guys think that Christina and her husband should be held criminally liable for what Christina's mother did and how they helped?
Or do you think maybe they should just get fired from their positions or do you think only the abuser should be held liable?
Let me know in the comments.
Also, there's currently a petition for change .org for the USCSI, United States Citizenship and Immigration Service to investigate their illegal employment and infant abuse allegations.
I will link that in the show notes.
So with that being said, stay safe and I will see you in the next one.
