I was more myself than I ever had been.
I recognized myself.
But for me, the walk was the tool to make sure that I was outdoors.
It was this recognition that, ah, this is where I blossom, where I'm comfortable.
It became my creative time.
I mean, my walks become my best therapist, my best creative partner.
My walk has become a place where I am so comfortable in my own skin and my own body that I am more me.
I often don't really know what I feel.
If you say to me, how are you feeling, Liv?
I'll probably answer with a smile on my face.
I feel good. And it's kind of a non -answer.
And it's not real. And that's in part because I'm not sure I know how to articulate to you what I feel.
But when I add motion to my emotions, I understand what I am feeling more deeply.
So I don't know about you, but I feel like sometimes we overlook the simplest things, ways to reconnect with who we are and the life we want to live that had been more or less hiding in plain view our whole lives.
Walking is one of those things.
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And Libby is the creator and co -host of This Morning Walk with Alex L., author of the book Do Walk, Navigate Earth, Mind and Body, Step by Step, and a leading voice on the emotionally transformative power of walking.
An award -winning creative director and founder who has worked with top brands for decades, she took this unexpected turn in her fifties to become a model and vocal advocate for embracing new chapters and possibilities as we age.
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I have to ask you about something before we dive into certainly my fascination with your walking adventure.
You have a notation on your LinkedIn profile that, and the job title is Stunt Man.
Right. And that was last year.
You gotta take me into this.
Okay, well, this is a little off the walking story, but believe it or not, about three years ago, I was reached out to, I have Instagram DMs, actually by Clinique, and they said, hey, would you like to be part of this campaign that we're doing?
I'd never spent any time in front of the camera.
It wasn't something I was particularly thinking about, but there were some other really interesting women and I said, sure.
As a result, I now spend quite a bit of time in front of the camera, which for a number of reasons I'm very happy about because I have chosen to age naturally.
However, anybody wants to do it as beautiful and appropriate for them.
But I never had a role model in the ecosystem of who to look to and how to do that.
So that's why I spend time, any time in front of the camera actually.
But the Stunt Man came from a campaign for Verizon where I had to jump off a, I happen to love to get in the cold water.
So I was jumping off this dock into the cold water over and over again.
And when I finally got home, I really looked at the contract actually, and I was listed as a Stunt Man.
And I think that's simply because I wasn't simply standing on a set and smiling.
So yeah. So that's too funny.
I just love that you get to put Stunt Man on sort of like the resume.
Yeah. Yeah. So I just found it completely hysterical and ridiculous as a 62 year old to have that even be anywhere in my I'm going to use the word storied career in the creative world and the advertising world, spending a solid chunk of time at Molotlow and currently in co founding Mechanica, your own
creative and branding agency, just doing incredible, incredible work, winning all this day, all the awards, all the adiata, all the amazing things.
Then in 2011, you start taking a daily morning walk.
And between that time and now you have effectively walked the circumference of our planet or sort of like the forest gump of walking.
Right. Fair. So like my initial, the question that comes to my mind initially is why?
Well, first, thank you for having me on this beautiful podcast.
It's really a go -to when I'm walking, honestly.
It's a place of calm.
It's a beacon. So thank you for inviting me on.
So yeah, 2011, I feel very, very fortunate.
Life was grand. I feel one of the most privileged people on the planet.
I probably am a healthy family, lovely career that I was proud of and dear friends close by lived in a beautiful space.
So there was absolutely nothing in my world that created aside from the usual, you know, ebb and flow of life that was problematic.
And yet this one morning happened to be my dad's birthday who passed away a long time ago.
I woke up and was sort of reflective.
And I think the best way I can articulate it is I felt incredibly grateful and incredibly fortunate.
And yet I didn't feel whole.
And what do I mean by that?
I think I felt as if there was some key piece of who I was growing up that I wasn't paying attention to, honoring, hadn't sort of consciously woven into my day.
And what was that? Well, growing up, I was, I'm 62 now, this was a long time ago, the way we all grew up in backyards and slightly feral and running around.
And I, what I recognized at that moment was that the place where I was most me and most happiest, just happy was in the outdoors.
And my life while really wonderful was a lot of carpools and grocery store trips and meetings and conference calls and all wonderful.
And yet I think that little key that made me me, I wasn't consciously building into my day.
And so literally one day, I decided, you know what, I'm just going to get up an hour early and go for a walk.
And it wasn't about exercise.
It wasn't about 10 ,000 steps.
It wasn't about my little, it was really, I'm just going to build into my day a conscious act of being in the outdoors.
And I'll just do it for 30 days and see how it feels.
And, you know, what I've come to learn is brought me closer to who I am and became an essential part of my day, like brushing my teeth.
It's a non -negotiable.
And so I go every day and I have for 12 years, almost 13 actually at this point.
So when you wake up, what time of year was this?
When you said, okay, I need you to do this?
It was November. Okay.
So this is November, New England.
So probably it's starting to get kind of cold outside.
And if you're waking up first thing in the morning, probably in the thirties and forties in the morning.
When you open your eyes that first morning, you're like, oh, I made this commitment.
Am I really going to do this?
Well, you know, I guess there was a strong enough recognition that that being in the outdoors and seeing my breath and, you know, we're very blessed with good gear these days, right?
It's a matter of layering up and hats and pocket warmers and the headlamp.
And so initially it was sort of playful thing, right?
I just, I'd go out for an hour.
But as time went on, I went out even in the rain and then snowstorms and the ice storms and, you know, I had some pictures of me where, you know, my whole hood is covered in ice and my little goggles are covered in ice and I'm wearing crampons around my neighborhood.
And I think what happens on those days, I often say it's the day I don't want to go or that little sort of persistent kind of sexy and really annoying voice shows up that says, you know what?
Stay in bed. Don't worry about it.
You've walked for a whole month.
Take a break. I actually have given her a name.
Her name is Ruby Dubina, and Ruby is just trying to keep me protected.
It's too cold. You need more sleep.
But I found what I do is I simply say to Ruby, I am grateful to you, Ruby, thank you for trying to keep me safe.
You go back to bed.
I'm going out for a walk.
And it's often on those days where I don't want to go is where there's a lesson or there, I see something that just makes it magical.
And it seems to happen all the time.
Sometimes it's a snowy owl where I live.
There's snowy owls or there's this absolutely beautiful blistering silence.
It'll be snowing and nobody else is out, and there's very few places where I get that kind of silence.
And it's in that silence that I often hear myself clearest.
So I often find that the weather days bring some kind of special magic, honestly, to the walk.
It's so interesting that those days where like that voice, Ruby for you, you know, stay inside, stay inside that almost invariably those are the days where there's something special waiting for you.
I think so many of us have experienced that when we actually have pushed through and said, okay, so I really don't feel like it, but I made this commitment.
I'm going to do it.
And then you go out and do it.
Maybe the first five minutes, you're kind of dragging and then something seems to open up and it's almost like, okay, this is I'm meant to be here today.
I don't know why, but there's something that unfolds.
I'm in Boulder, Colorado as we were talking earlier.
And what I learned coming out here pretty quickly after 30 years in New York City, when the weather gets cold and it's gray outside, everyone goes inside.
In Boulder, that doesn't happen.
It doesn't matter what the weather is.
It can be really hot.
It can be absolute, you know, like just deep, deep, heavy snow.
Everyone's out. Nobody.
It's a completely it's a mindset shift that is really powerful.
People are just like, no, like you said, get good clothes and get outside.
Like there's nothing that stops people from going out into the mountains here on a daily basis, no matter what's going on.
And it's a habit that I started to pick up as well.
It really does. Something shifts in you.
I'm beginning. So the initial commitment was let me do this.
Let me wake up every morning and go for a walk for 30 days.
When you hit day 30 and you're like, okay, check, I've done this.
What makes you then extend it for another, you know, almost 13 years now?
What makes you say more like, I can't actually stop now.
Like this needs to be a part of my life forever.
Yeah, I think it's that feeling of I was more myself than I ever had been.
I recognized myself.
I was honoring the thing.
I mean, I feel really grateful that 30 days earlier, what I recognized was that there was an essential key that I wasn't using to unlock who I am.
And that just is me.
You know, I happen to think going for a walk and we'll probably get into this is great for a lot of people, maybe everybody.
But for me, the walk was the tool to make sure that I was outdoors.
So I think it was this recognition that, ah, this is where I blossom, where I'm comfortable.
And then it became a beautiful tool.
As you mentioned earlier, I was fortunate to spend some time in the creative space in Adworld.
It became my creative time, you know, it became a place to, I mean, my walks become my therapist, my best creative partner.
I actually just recently wrote a book that's coming out next September.
And the way I did it was actually on my walk, I would speak the chapters into being, transcribe them and then edit from there.
So my walk has become a place where I am so comfortable in my own skin and my own body that I, I am more me.
I've often said that, and this is probably too revealing about me, but I often don't really know what I feel.
If you say to me, how are you feeling, Liv?
I'll probably answer with a smile on my face.
I feel good. And it's kind of a non -answer.
It's not, and it's not real.
And that's in part because I'm not sure I know how to articulate to you what I feel.
But when I add motion to my emotions, I understand what I am feeling more deeply.
I might not be able to put language to it, but when I'm out for a walk, I'll often do sort of a little body scan.
Do I have tightness in the back of my throat?
Am I struggling with a conversation I need to have?
And therefore, the walk is a place to practice or think it through, or sometimes I find myself speaking out loud.
So it's a place where all those emotions are safe.
They're a place where I can begin to sort of pull them apart.
As a visual person, one of the things, the way I sort of visualize it is that my emotions might be sort of a ball of string or a sort of knotted, beautiful, might be beautiful color threads.
And it's sort of knotted up.
Now, do you know that feeling when somebody hands you a baby and you just naturally hold that baby and you start rocking without even thinking about it, you start swaying and you just hold that little infant and you just naturally, from hip to hip, from weight shifts from one side to the other.
So now take that ball of string and that swaying motion.
The way I visualize it is now that ball of knots begins to loosen and the threads become individual threads that I can look at and identify.
And so that feeling of understanding what that ball of emotions is only happens when I add the motion to it.
And so I think back to your original question, why did I keep going?
I think I understood myself better.
Carving out that time of the day was essential.
You said that in those moments when you're out walking, you most recognize yourself.
You said, I'm most me.
What is it that you were seeing that you weren't experiencing or recognizing or seeing before then that was maybe either new to you or you were being reacquainted with?
I'm not sure I have precise language for it other than to say, in order for me, Libby, to be Libby, I need to have the outside, the outdoors, the changing leaves, the sound of the bumblebees, the beautiful flowers every season.
I need them to be a vital piece of my day.
And if I am indoors all day, I don't have access to that.
It's the awe of the natural world.
And that's a place where I am most comfortable.
So when I take that out of my day, I can do the tasks.
I can do the work, but I am not as lit up.
I'm not as grounded undoubtedly.
And I'm not as dialed into what it is I'm thinking or feeling in a really true way.
It's that time of the walk in the morning, I can actually really begin to acknowledge and understand what's happening for me in my heart.
Sometimes you just get out of bed and you start your day, you start the tasks, and you jump to the to -do list and accomplish all the things that need to be done and make breakfast and don't allow that space for a deep breath or a recognition of what you're really feeling.
So I think those are the key components.
Yeah. It occurs to me also, the way you're describing it is, and I think so many people would relate to this notion of you open your eyes.
The first thing you do is you grab whatever device is nearest to you, and you start to look through the litany of inboxes and DMs and things where everybody else, immediately within seconds, is starting to set the agenda of your day.
Beautifully said. Who am I going to react to?
When and why and how for the rest of this day until I lay my head back down on the pillow, what you're doing is saying, I want to start my day with a more intentional act.
Does it make sense?
Oh, 100%. It's so well said.
And I think the language I use around my practice currently is, and everybody has their own practice, right?
It might be seated meditation.
It might be on a mat.
I view my practices fairly meditative, but I think the thing about it is, I use this word fidelity.
I don't skip a day because I view going every single day as a radical act of fidelity to myself.
That time in the morning, I don't think it's too far for me to call it a sacred time, but to be faithful to who I am and what I need in order to flourish each day and to your point, take an intentional moment and time to catch my breath, focus on the day is to me this radical act of fidelity to me,
which is often a hard thing to take, time to take when you're parenting and working and living, and it's a hard thing to do.
Yeah, just the practicalities, I think, everyday life.
Yeah, that's right.
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Is there an opposite side of this?
Is there dark side to fidelity?
And what pops into my mind is I meditate every morning.
That's one of my early morning practices I have for about the same amount of time you've been walking actually and I use an app to just as a timer for me.
So I have like little times I go up every five minutes and I know kind of when it's over.
And the app also is gamified.
So for every 10 days and a roll of meditation, a little gold star appears and then every 50 days I get a green star and I know the teaching of it.
Like you don't meditate with a goal in mind and I found myself recently, I'm like 572 days into meditating or something like that.
I have to wake up at 3am for an international flight.
I'll do it on the plane, I get on the plane and it just doesn't happen.
It's a long, crazy travel day with multiple flights and multiple countries.
I finally get home late at night, I'm exhausted, I crash and the next day I get up.
I look at my app and I'm like, oh damn, like the streak is broken.
And I'm not typically an obsessive person, but I'm thinking to myself, is there any way I can like rationalize any part of the last day and call it meditation so I can get my star?
So, cause I'm like so, so committed, like I'm obsessing over fidelity to this one practice.
And I wonder if there's almost like an another side to that where it becomes obsessive.
Yeah, I think, I think it's a fair point.
And I think, and maybe you found this over the course of these 12 years that you've been doing it, I think there have been chapters where maybe it's been obsessive, it isn't for me anymore.
And I think I've become softer around how I practice.
So for example, on those travel days, you know, I get a gun but 3am and how do I, how do we do it?
I now really call a walk, I might get to the airport early and do a couple of laps, you know, in terms of number of steps, I have no idea, but it's not nearly the mileage I do any other time.
There might be a time when, you know, it's very hard to do my usual loop or mileage.
And I just park as far away as I possibly can from the front door of the market.
It's the only time I can do it.
And as I step out of the my car to walk to my park as far away as possible, I just try and get into that place and be very intentional about it.
And try not to be critical of, oh my gosh, you didn't go enough steps, you didn't go enough miles.
And so I think there's just a tenderness, a softness to it.
And it's, but I hear what you're saying.
And there were certainly chapters in this practice where I think I probably would have said, well, I didn't walk far enough today.
I walked and now I don't have that same sort of, I don't know, mindset around it.
I think there's a, maybe a little bit more generous understanding about it.
I think initially it was probably for me more about how long I did or how far I went.
And now it's about intention and that intention can come in a much more modest package.
CB that makes sense.
I like the language you use.
There's a softness about it now.
I wonder if part of the fidelity also is that over time, this fidelity to this practice shapes your identity.
You shift from somebody who says like, oh, I walk to somebody who says, oh, I am a walker.
It sounds like that's true for you.
But what else does that bring to you?
Like that shift in identity, how else have you experienced?
What does that change within you?
Well, it's interesting.
Think of runners or mountain climbers.
They will identify, I'm a runner.
And in general, I think those of us who walk or hike or wander or saunter probably don't identify is that I think, well, number one, as I mentioned, I'm 62.
I got my first tattoo when I was 60 and it says this morning walk.
That's commitment right there.
It's on my left leg on the inside of my ankle, left on the side of my heart and on the inside, because it's just for me.
And it's in a beautiful typeface Gotham.
The poor type of the poor tattoo artist was very patient with me because I really wanted to make sure it was curved perfectly as someone who loves typography.
Rule number one, no Helvetica.
No Helvetica, no Comic Sans.
But yes, I think as sort of, I do define myself as a walker now.
So what does that look like?
What does that mean?
It means even small things.
I spend quite a bit of time in New York City and someone will say, well, let's hop the subway or like, no, no, no, we're walking.
We're walking. We're going to see life.
And for me, if I'm traveling and I arrive someplace, one of the first things I do after dropping off my luggage is walk the neighborhood of where I am.
And I find that just, you know, feet on the ground, it's a way to ground where you are.
It's a way to... It is a defining attribute of how I move through the world now.
And so yes, I think I do identify and call myself a mom, a walker, and a stuntman.
Yeah. It would also make you the ultimate oddball in LA because nobody walks.
Certainly. When you drive two blocks away, it's like, of course you just drive everywhere.
That's right. I mean, it's interesting also, right?
Because if your default mode of quote transportation or just like navigating the world, you know, within a certain range, let's say if there's something you have to do and it's within a 20 minute walk or like a five minute drive and your default is always going to be walking.
I would imagine you also you start to experience your world profoundly differently.
Profoundly. It's much more intimate, I think.
I also think the pace of walking is really beautiful.
I think it's more in alignment the way humans move through the world.
I see things very differently when I walk through a neighborhood than when I ride a bike or drive.
Here's one thing that I really realized early on, which was I thought quite interesting was that my walking practice actually really taught me how to see things, not just look at things.
As an art director, that was kind of a profound moment.
So, you know, I had this one walk that I do very often.
I walk past this beautiful neighborhood barn.
I think it's been there for probably 60, 70 years and I used to drive past it all the time on my way to work.
And I knew it was over there.
You know, the barn's over there, but I never really saw it.
And as I started to walk past it, you know, anthropomorphize this barn to a she.
But, you know, I began to see her shape and her impact on the community.
And this was a dairy barn.
It's no longer operable, but undoubtedly this barn nourished our community in a really meaningful way.
And every time I would walk past, she would look different.
So in the snow, the snow falling, the sun hitting her differently, the fading placards or clabbards.
So it was this really beautiful lesson that this object was important to within our community, but I barely even noticed that.
And then how this one singular barn would look absolutely different every single day.
And after realizing that, which probably feels and seems very obvious, what I realized is not only did it look different, I was different every single day.
I would bring to my walk something new.
So the combination of different ecosystem, different weather pattern, and my own ecosystem and weather pattern meant every single walk despite the fact that I was walking exactly the same path, right next to the same barn time and time again, it was dynamically different.
And I think probably seems very obvious to your listeners, but for me, it was a sort of revelation that in walking, I was going to see my neighborhood and my community differently, and that I was actually different on each walk.
So those little lessons became sort of very magnificent.
CB. Yeah, I mean, it's what you're describing sounds a lot like what happens from meditation over time also.
There's a sense of presence and awareness that starts to develop, it starts to drop into where you could meditate on the same breath, the same body part, the same mantra every morning.
And yet, over time, you experience that exact same thing, the exact same place, exact same seat, like the differently you start to just using your language instead of just looking like you're actually seeing.
It's interesting the way you describe walking.
If I think about walking compared to driving the same route, like every morning, we're so autopilot when we drive these days.
Usually, we're not even drive, like we don't even know what we're doing, like the act of driving is just completely automated, it's habit for us, our mind is completely somewhere else, we're processing the to -do list, the meeting, whatever it is, you may be on a call.
And the walk brings you the physicality of it and the practice of it, probably the repetition of steps and you being actually exposed in nature rather than enclosed and excluded from it changes just the way that you experience it and makes it a moving meditation.
This is part of the process.
But you get to drop into that mode on a regular basis and I'm wondering if that sort of trains your brain to start to be more present and to see more outside of the walk, as you move throughout the rest of your day, are you like, oh, wow, I'm so much more, I see what's happening in this conversation with this person who I'm
with now or I see the colors in the wall and the cubicle or the office differently.
Yeah, no, I think it does.
I think and maybe you feel this with your meditation practice, I think there's much more comfort in the quiet, which in terms of a conversation, the ability to drop into deep listening, that happens on my walk, I'm sure it happens on your meditation.
So that happens then outside that practice and with others.
The other thing that happens as you walk through an ecosystem is, I believe, because you see it more intimately, because I saw that bar and because I saw this morning the leaves changing, there's this one pathway that I walk and the light was just sort of magnificent this morning.
You can't help but fall in love with where you are.
And when you fall in love, even a walk in a new city, when you arrive someplace new, even down the streets of New York and the pine tree in Chelsea that I've fallen in love with and every time I walk past it, sort of greet her every morning, but you can't help but fall in love with the space that you
walk through every single day or I can't.
And when you love those spaces, you want to take care of them.
You want to protect care for them.
The paths that I walk now, I feel very tender about.
I see trash, I pick it up, I see a tree come down, I thank the tree for its 100 years of shade.
And I think that's a beautiful impact that simply going for a walk potentially enables you to understand, to ground and to fall in love with the space where you are and therefore want to care for it.
You can't help but want to care for the things we love and I love my walks.
So I guess in some ways, it's an environmental practice as well.
And an act of gratitude to a certain extent as well sort of like it just drops all around you.
I think the timing also I wonder about the timing and you shared how often when you drop into a new place, you just immediately go out and walk regardless of what time it is.
There is something magical to me also about the early morning walk.
Up until recently, I was going out and every morning at 7am, I would just put on my shoes and I would go and hike and I'd start to shift that to later in the day because I sort of like see the weather changing.
You're inspiring me to say, maybe I need to just gear up a little bit and stick to the 7am hike and see what comes my way because there's something magical about being out there when you're still in like the quiet moment of the day before it feels like the rest of the world wakes up.
There's just an energy that's qualitatively different when you're out there that I think, at least for it really affects me differently.
And I hike all times a day, but there's something that's a little bit more magical about sort of like that early morning, just get up and go hike.
There's like I experience it very differently.
I agree. That's certainly true for me.
I'm not sure it's true for everybody, but I happen to be an early riser anyway.
And so that the gap between waking and walking, I've now gotten to be very, very narrow and very short.
Meaning I know all the gear I'm going to wear.
I know what the temperature, what I need to keep warm and safe, dry and often.
And so I honestly, I just wake up and I have a little cup of tea and I head out, which in my case is a little earlier than seven, but there is something about watching the world wake up that for me is really a pretty magical time.
There's a beautiful, beautiful Mary Oliver poem called Why I Wake Early.
And the first few lines, hello, sun in my face, hello, you who make the morning.
It talks about the sun rise and she calls the sun the best preacher that ever was, dear star that just happens to be where you are in the universe.
There's something about getting up before everybody else wakes up and watching the lights come on in the houses before the traffic has picked up before, you know, too much energy has entered the space.
There is something that for me, and it sounds like for you as well is a really beautiful time of day.
And I think we were talking about how we wake up.
Sometimes we turn on our phone and the to -do list moves in and everybody else's needs begin to enter into our space.
There's something about getting up and getting out before the rest of the world has even woken up that begins to, I don't know, it carves out a bigger space.
I don't know, last night the Comet Atlas was in the sky and I didn't see it in the morning, but that's the kind of thing I do see when I'm up.
And I do see a lot more wildlife because cars and people haven't pushed the wildlife back.
And the thing I also really love about it is there is a little small community of us that get up at the same time.
I'll see another runner, a hiker, a walker out, and we don't know each other's name, but we kind of had a secret, you know, I see you, you see me, we know each other, but we've never had a cup of tea together even really said anything other than just hello.
It's kind of like the we get it way, way into the morning.
As you're describing that, I had sort of this flashback many years back, it was in Bali and Abu 'id and this was like a chunk of years after Liz Gilbert wrote about her time there and Abu 'id had really started to change and become like much, much but it wasn't the place of sort of like that.
A lot of people had read about many years ago if you were there during the day, but I was adjusting to the time zone and I found myself up at about 4am.
And so I'm like, let me just get up and walk around the town.
And the sun is just coming up over this town.
And as I'm walking through town, the only people out at that time were people who were laying out worship offerings for like the gods and like incense and small offerings of flowers and small offerings of food being laid out in front of all the different homes in front of the storefronts and stuff like
this. And there was just this deeply meditative presence that was there as the sun was coming up over the town.
And I knew like two hours later, this would be overrun by scooters and noise and like pollution and madness and frenzy.
And it just, it allowed me to see the exact same space and the exact same people and the exact same culture in a profoundly different and stiller way.
And to see, it gave me easier access to beauty that was there the whole time, but I felt was really obscured when I stepped into it later in the day.
I think that's right.
I wonder if the same would be true if you took sort of a similar walk later at night.
I don't know the answer.
I know for me, the morning is when I have, I don't know, I feel very welcome in the mornings into the space, but going for a walk at really any time of the day, I mean, we think about the Italians who go for the pazzaggiato, which is at the after dinner walk.
And I think that has an equal sort of meditative sacred quality of going out with your family after a meal and just, it's not long.
It's just walking the community together has sort of the same kind of energy.
So I think, you know, I think we can find it many times a day, but it sounds like you and I enjoy the morning the most.
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You also mentioned earlier, and this is something you write about as well, which is this notion of the relationship between walking, especially walking outside, especially in nature and creativity.
And I have experienced that so many times, but take me a bit deeper into this relationship for you.
Yeah. I've looked into it over the course of time.
And we hear stories of Steve Jobs, Virginia Wolf, Henry David Thoreau, who used walking really as their sort of primary tool for creative problem solving.
And I guess as I have found that that's true for me as well.
In fact, used to be in my old agency days when our team would get together and we'd get sort of stuck on a question.
We, nobody was coming up with particularly terrific ideas or like, okay, everybody go get your shoes.
We're going to walk around the community.
And we're just going to talk about this.
And what often happens is there's all this new beautiful stimulus.
There might be the juxtaposition of some colors that provoke a response or provoke a new way of thinking about it or a little snippet of an overheard conversation that might be like a little provocation that makes you think about something differently.
And again, it's sort of back to that sort of concept of just moving our bodies often will inspire our brains to think differently that sitting at a desk, looking at a computer, stationary, sort of, I'll call it static.
I don't know that we're bringing enough information or dynamic newness into what we're seeing or thinking about to really be creative.
So I've just found that if I get stuck on something, I'll go for a walk or if I need to come up with a solve.
As I mentioned, I was just finished writing another book and, and the way I did it was completely with walking.
I would use my voice memo and I would talk a chapter into being transcribe it and then go back and edit it.
And I found that to be a much more comfortable place than sitting at my computer typing out words.
I'm not sure I had all that much confidence in my writing, but I had more confidence in my ability to sort of tell a story and it was easy to do it then.
But I think if we look back historically, some of the people I admire the most definitely used walking as a tool and a place for, I think it's a very innovative tool and accessible to all of us if we're able bodied.
And I'll just note that I don't, I do not take for granted my able body.
I wasn't always the case.
I actually was born with club feet and learned to walk with two casts on.
And so I often am reflecting on, gosh, I had such a privilege to be able to experience this practice because it's been such a, as I said, it's a, you know, it's a tool for innovation, creativity.
It's certainly been my best therapist ever.
It's interesting that you bring that up also because my brain sort of translates what you're talking about into just a practice.
Silly part of me is, you know, just says, okay, so what is your version of this?
Like what is your walking?
Whatever your abilities or your limitations are, like what is your version of this that gets you to that place to that feeling?
Like what is the thing, the practice in your life that will allow you to feel more me that will allow you access to the greater problem -solving, more creativity to just seeing the world differently and be more present in it.
For many, it may be walking.
I almost look at it as more of like, well, you're almost using walking as a metaphor and everyone can swap in whatever it is for them into that metaphor.
I think that's very true.
It might be painting, it might be singing, it might be birdwatching.
That being said, I don't know, I'd love to hear what you think about this.
I probably have rose -colored walking glasses on, but I do think walking is a unique, so is the seed of practice in yoga.
But I do think there's something about walking that is in particular a unique practice.
And maybe part of it is, I like to think of it as a very democratic, small d, democratic practice, meaning you don't need to buy anything for it.
Really, the only thing we need, and again, I don't take my able body for granted, but is to make sure that we can walk in a place that's safe.
And that may be a unique thing.
I don't want to say it's particular to women.
I know I've spoken with many women who feel like going for a walk, it's an interesting way to move through the world.
So safety is certainly a key component of this.
And yet, I do think going for a walk is a pretty unique thing, and it doesn't have to be long.
I mean, I sometimes think, gosh, you know what, the best thing I can do right now is simply walk around the block, which might take me three or four minutes, and it's going to change my whole outlook.
It's going to change the energy of my body.
It's going to make me feel much more grounded.
And perhaps painting or singing does for others, but I think I've come to believe that walking can save the world.
Yeah, no, I think there is something magical to it.
And also, it's not just walking, it's walking outside.
I think that's really what...
Yes. Because I think, can you walk inside on a treadmill?
Sure. And if that is what is available to you and accessible to you, like the best of your life situation, great.
And still, there is something different being outside about actually moving your body at a pace that's comfortable for you in a natural environment that I think is just really changes something about, not just the experience, but about you when you're in it.
I think that's right, yeah.
I think, as you beautifully said, if what you have available to you is to walk indoors or on a treadmill, that's fabulous.
And yet, I have to agree with you that the exposure to the outdoors...
And again, for me, this all started because I wanted to be outside.
And in fact, quite honestly, Jonathan, it took me about two years to get over my own athletic ego.
I grew up as an athlete all through college.
And so when I decided to go for a walk, it took me literally two years to get over the ego in my head, which is like, why aren't you going for a run?
I mean, you're an athlete, go for a run.
And I had to keep reminding myself this is not about a workout or exercise per se.
By the way, it's incredible, as we age, it's an incredible tool.
But the reason I was going outside, it was not the athletic component of it or the exercise component, it was the being in the outdoors component.
I would have to agree that the beauty that comes, the healing that comes from being in the natural world is undeniable at this point.
And I love reading about it's perhaps in Norway where physicians are now prescribing to people time in the outdoors.
And yeah, I would have to agree with you.
So many recently, who wrote a book about, I guess, I think it's often called social prescribing.
That doesn't mean being social with people.
That means engaging in the world outside of you.
And literally, there are physicians starting to write scripts to come in nature like five days a week, like go be in nature for 20 minutes or whatever it is.
And there's early research that actually shows really profound benefits on the level, on par, of a whole bunch of more traditional medical interventions, which I think is fascinating.
Fascinating. Well, and we perhaps have all heard of forest bathing.
And that's, it's undeniable what the impact of that will do for all of us.
So I think that's right.
What's been your experience with having a walking practice in hard times, challenging moments, whether it's, you know, something's going on in the world around you, whether it's a tough moment in a relationship in your life, maybe it's betrayal, maybe it's grief, maybe it's loss, maybe it's just, you
know, like struggle, stress, anxiety.
How has this practice woven into those experiences for you and changed them in a meaningful way?
Yeah. I can say that honestly, there have been times in this last 13 years that I don't know what I would have done without my walking practice, quite honestly.
There was one time about five years ago where I was at the office and I got some very challenging news that honestly changed my life forever.
And I thought, you know, without going into the details, I thought, well, gee, I could go home and crawl into bed and pull the covers up over my head.
This was after work.
Or I kept thinking, oh my gosh, well, at least I have my walk.
I think I got home and I thought, you know what, the best thing I can do is go for a walk.
And I eventually ended up sort of realizing not only did I have my walk, but my walk had me, my walk was.
And so literally Jonathan, I put on my walking shoes and I did my usual loop, which is out my back door.
I don't have to drive anywhere.
I'd loop around. It's about five miles or so.
And I thought, okay, well, I'm just going to do one loop or maybe two loops.
I'll come back to my front door and I will just do a kind of a body scan.
How am I feeling? What, you know, what do I need now?
Do I need to call a friend?
Do I need big cry, a glass of bourbon?
I don't drink bourbon, but just a, you know, sort of a check -in.
And what I realized each time when I finished the loop was I needed to keep walking.
And each loop ended up being almost a chapter of grief for a, you know, the first loop was shock.
The second loop was pure anger.
And I put on some music, listened to the music, and kind of stomped it out.
And I literally walked all night, literally all night.
I got back at 7 30, the after one loop and took a quick shower, had a beautiful cup of chai and went back to work.
And that's not to say that it completely solved it, but I knew that actually I needed to move that emotion through my body.
I needed to express it.
I needed to say it.
I needed to get it out.
I needed to stomp it out.
Luckily, I was in a place where I can holler if I needed to.
I was angry. I felt betrayed all the, all the emotions.
And as I noted before, I don't, I don't know that I grew up really being able to recognize what it was that I was feeling or how do we even express it.
And the thing about walking and feeling all those things, I didn't need to label it.
I didn't need to explain it.
I didn't need to try and understand it.
I just knew what I felt and I just expressed it the way that felt healing in the moment.
It was truly everything from stomping to crying to screaming.
And I will say that after those 12 hours of walking, I was in a much more, I'll call it a much healthier place because I had been able to not sort of squash down and tuck away all these emotions, but in fact to hold them generously, tenderly and honor them.
And I don't know how I would have done that otherwise.
It would have been a lot in my perspective from where I sit to express all of that to my dear friends.
I mean, that was just a lot.
So I didn't happen to be in therapy at the time.
So my walk was my therapist and trusted and tender and loving.
And I would just imagine some of these emotions sort of bubbling up out and I would leave them on the side of the road and I'd walk away from them.
So it's been an exquisitely faithful practice back to me.
I mean, how powerful also because I feel like so many people don't have easy access to language when it comes to moments like this or they may not have easy access to friends, to intimate partners, to professionals, to sort of like to go back and forth and actually do this in a conversational way and to
have a physical outlet to let what you're feeling move through you and then eventually out of you out of into the world.
It's like it opens up a pathway of processing hard things for a lot of people who I think just they're not going to sit down and have a conversation about this.
Even if you do have the people in your life, you just, you bottle it up and that like only leads to festering and trauma eventually.
And this is sort of like, it's a release valve, which can be really powerful.
I'm not sure it replaces therapy.
I think therapy is a beautiful option if it's an expensive, can be an expensive and a beautiful option.
And yet I think it's another tool.
And I felt so safe with Maya and so comfortable in that space with my walk that I could trust the space that showed up as I walked.
CB, You write about, which I thought was really interesting, sort of like the notion of walking mantras.
Take me into this a bit more.
BT, So there are definitely, as I go for a walk, I often will head out the door with some kind of intention, not always.
It's not always clear or pure, but there are some days when I want to hold with me an intention about how I'm going to move through the world.
Say something's coming up that's going to be challenging or a hard conversation.
I will often take with me some language and walk with it, tucked in my back pocket.
Sometimes I'll say it out loud and just kind of put that energy into the world.
I just hold it with me.
And I have felt that it has made whatever's coming next easier and clearer often.
And it can be whatever you want.
And that's the thing that's also really helpful, whatever's happening in your day to be able to think about how you want to move through the world or how you want to bring some kind of energy to a conversation or to an event.
I find it helpful sometimes to just say those words out loud and carry them with me.
CB, Yeah. I almost wonder whether it simultaneously works deeper into the essence of you, but also moves out into the world.
I remember a chunk of years back sitting down with Sharon Salisbury, wonderful meditation teacher.
And we were in New York City then.
And she was telling me how she, on the walk over to her studio, as she started walking on the sidewalk behind the museum on the Upper West Side, lots of people coming by her.
And as she's looking at each person, in her mind, she sees them for a minute.
And in her mind, she's doing a loving kindness and meta -meditation.
One person walks by and she's thinking, maybe well, the next person walks by, maybe healthy.
Next person, maybe happy.
Next person, maybe you live with ease.
And the classic line, she said a gazillion times, like in her loving kindness meditation, and just as she's walking through the world and noticing other people, and maybe you're in nature and you can offer these same things to animals, to trees, to the environment, whatever it is.
I thought it was, and she said it just really changes the quality of just every day and every day walk through the city for her.
It made it almost like a moving prayer.
Yeah. Well, this little book I wrote about walking in the last page or so is this sort of mantra.
And what I often say is it's not unlike what Sharon just said, may you find happiness in walking?
May you find joy in walking?
May you find energy in walking?
May you find beauty in the day?
And just saying some of those out loud and to myself are comforting tools.
Beautiful. It feels like a good place for us to come full circle in our conversation as well.
So here in this container of Good Life Project, if I offer up the phrase to live a good life, what comes up?
Going for a walk and being grateful for it every single day.
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