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Hey, weirdos. I'm Ash. And I'm Elena. And this is Morbid.
It's full length, guys. It is full length morbid for you coming at your door, in your car, or your house.
What rhymes with car? Quick, quick. Quick, quick.
When you travel in far. Yeah, I was just going to say far.
Or tar. But I didn't know how that was going to work.
When you're driving on the tar. In your car.
Really far. Wow, you're killing it. You're killing it right now.
Everybody wants to punch me square in the face right now.
But you know what? They can't. I mean if they found me they could what if somebody next week just comes up to me in the street and punches me in the face you will know that they listened to the podcast and I'll just say thank you for listening thanks listener i'm like cracking myself yeah ash is having a moment right now oh it's more than a moment Well, we hope you guys liked your Patreon bonus episode this week.
It was a good one. That was a good one. That's a really crazy one.
If you didn't hear it because you don't donate, I mean... it's one that you can go do it you could go do it i'm just dropping a super subtle hint right now we'll love you regardless we love you so much no matter what you do but if you feel like you want to listen to it I don't know.
Maybe donate. You know what I like? I like hearing the things where people are like, hey, this is my hometown murder.
And I know this or I remember seeing the missing posters or like, oh, yeah, that's always every time I get that.
I'm like, oh, my God, that's so cool. It is really cool.
So this is going to be actually an unexpected two part episode.
Two part. This two-parter is going to be out for...
Friday for part one, and then either Saturday or Sunday for part two, depending on whether my children allow me to edit faster.
Yes. Either way, there's really only going to be like a day between the parts.
So... The reason this is a two part episode is because I found a book on this case and the book. sucked me in and I read it in like a night and then there was so many details in it that I don't want to leave out.
The book is called Runaway Devil by Robert Remington, and that name is going to make sense later in this case.
It's a really great book, really disturbing, but really well done. to sum this up for everybody the reason that this is two parts is because elena is a savage psycho a psycho savage if you will how many pages of notes do i have 21?
21. 21? 21 pages of notes, guys. That's insane. so do you know 21 savage is a rapper so like you have 21 pages of notes and you're a savage So maybe I am that rapper.
I mean, maybe this is my way of telling you that.
Wow. It's like when Ron Swanson is Duke Silver.
Yes. Yes. It's exactly like that. Wow. Oh, happy belated Mother's Day to every mother form out there.
Yeah, whether you're a... a pet mom, a birth mom, a step parent, a foster mom, whether you just... an aunt a mom figure of some sort a podcast mom like myself yeah i don't have kids but i have a podcast she's all your moms i'm your mom That's scary.
That's really terrifying. Good luck with your life.
Either way. We didn't get to wish you on the day, so we just wanted to wish a happy belated to all the moms out there.
So let's tell you what this case is that you're going to be listening to for two episodes.
So this is the case of Jasmine Richardson and Jeremy Steinke.
Steinke. Or Steinke. Like Stanky Chops Ramirez, but different.
Callback. Callback. So this is a pretty insane case.
Fair warning. It involves a child. Trigger warning.
Very, very bad. brutal but it's fascinating and it's brief that part yeah well No, no, not super.
I mean, it's pretty brutal. Nothing's brief.
It's pretty brutal. So just fair warning on that.
I will give you, you know, I'll try to give you a warning when I'm about to say the kid part, just in case you want to skip over it.
I know some people don't like listening. that but either way we're gonna do this as respectfully as we possibly can like always So put your seatbelt on, put your car in drive, and start on your commute.
Do it. Right now. So this case takes place in, this is an amazing name for a place, Medicine Hat.
Is that a true thing? It's a true thing.
Medicine hat in Alberta, Canada. Alberta.
So for our Canadian listeners, this one's for you.
So anybody from Medicine Hat, let us know because that's a pretty rad place to be from, I think.
That is really cool. So the actual murders took place on April 23rd, 2006.
So this isn't super crazy old. No, it's really not.
13 years? We're going to start you off by painting a little picture.
A little boy named Gareth was excited at the possibility of playing with his best friend and They had planned a sleepover the night before at Jacob's house, but they had to cancel it because Gareth got the chance to go to a hockey game with his grandma.
So he ran over to his friend's house the next morning because he saw that his dad's truck was in the driveway.
And he was like, Mom, can I go play with Jacob?
And his mom was like, totally. So his mom, Sarah, said he all of a sudden came running back to her. and said quote mommy there's bodies at jacob's house with blood on them i saw them through the basement window awesome that's a good way to start your day as a mom just starting it off he had her come with him and pointed to the basement window Oh, God.
Oh, God. He was only clad in black boxer shorts and he was covered in blood from head to toe.
Especially his face. His arms were raised up in a fighting position like a boxer, like still raised.
Oh, wow. And... she also saw the body of jacob's mother deborah behind a couch and she was also covered in blood at least from the waist down from what she could see of course she freaked out and immediately called the police yes good so let's talk about the richardson family okay The Richardson family was a super happy, very normal family.
Actually, very, very normal. Very happy.
The two parents actually before they had kids and actually before they met each other, they were both. recovering like substance abusers.
Oh. But they completely, they both like attended like.
Turned their lives around. And they literally totally turned it around.
I love that. Met each other, had this happy, sober existence and like... found spirituality and all this cool stuff had kids everyone around them said they were like the happiest couple ever they were just being sober and being happy and having They were happy being happy.
They were just happy being happy. Like they weren't some of those assholes that are just bummed being happy they were if you ever if you ever find yourself happy that you're happy turn left yeah it doesn't sound like it ends well don't do it and again nothing of note with them nothing sinister hiding behind the curtain they were literally a happy family There was nothing hiding that you're like, oh, there's that dark shit.
But were they happy? They were. They were like, I'd say they were happy.
You're painting a happy photo, Bob Ross style Happy trees, happy little trees I was hoping it would come off as happy I need you to stop saying happy because I feel free.
It's lost. It's lost. Not even. It just feels attacking at this point.
It's very aggressive at this point. I'm like, yeah, we're fucking happy.
Like, happy the clown. Basically, they were just a simple, conventional family.
Two loving parents, two well-adjusted, seemingly...
Happy children. Someone's going to say happy tomorrow, and I'm going to punch them in the face.
They're going to be like, no. Shut up. So the father, Mark, was 42.
The mother, Deborah, was 48. They had a daughter.
She was a cougar. She was. She was a little old.
Get it, girl. And she was Cougars are sometimes.
Like, seriously. They had a daughter, Jasmine, who was 12 years old.
Okay. And they had a son, Jacob, who was eight.
Okay. Okay. So a neighbor told. Did they have a white picket fence by chance?
I bet they did. I see it. I feel like they did.
Even if they didn't like physically have one.
They had one. Yeah. So a neighbor told the Edmonton Journal that the Richardsons were literally, quote, like a Norman Rockwell family. you don't know what that is no I've heard that before It's a show.
It's a painting. Yep. It's a painting. I knew it was one of the two things.
You don't even have to. I'm not ashamed of who I am.
I always love when I know. Because I just don't say anything and then I look off in the distance to avoid eye contact.
I wish everyone listening could see that when it happens because it's a great moment.
I know what Norman Rockwell is. It's a painting.
That's what they were. They're on puzzles, I think.
Okay. Either way, that's what they were.
So just to give you a little bit of background about, you know, them as people, because these are the victims that we're talking about.
Mark was born in a French-speaking Catholic family and raised in Sudbury.
He had four sisters and a brother. The sisters were Joyce Paulette, Monique Carol, and the brother was Paul.
Love it. He met Deborah in 1990 while they were both working out at a gym in Sudbury.
They were soon married in Toronto before moving out west to Medicine Hat, Alberta after 15 years of marriage.
Shut up. Mark worked as an instrumentation technician in the oil and gas industry.
In 2003, he had been promoted after working diligently taking engineering classes. classes he was described as a bear of a man with a bushy mustache and dark hair sign me up he was a handsome dude Debra was described as beautiful.
Same. And... Wow. I'm just kidding. I'm totally kidding.
And people said she was literally perky and happy to the point of awkwardness.
Oh, legit. Nobody. says that about me. She was very interested in native spirituality and researched things like medicine wheels, dream catchers, and like... you know different kind of medicinal ceremonies and stuff she was like all about that stuff i bet she would have gone to that essential oil party you went to for sure she would have And she was also into Wicca, which is cool.
Same, actually. She was known for her, quote, megawatt smile.
Aww. and irrepressible, effusive personality.
Wow. She sounded great. People said they never saw her in a bad mood.
She worked cleaning houses for a while, but she was setting herself up to launch her own business at home where she wanted to offer Reiki classes.
Oh, no way. Yeah. She even set up a holistic therapy studio.
Wow. Even back then. I feel like Ricky's like, I always thought it was kind of like a new thing.
Yeah, but this is in 2006. Yeah, but I mean, I feel like I've just like recently started hearing about it.
That's really cool. No, it's like an ancient thing.
Yeah. I knew that. I feel like Reiki's new.
No, I know that it's just trendy right now.
No, I know what you mean. So she had even set up a holistic therapy studio in the basement of their home.
One thing people agreed on is that she was one of the sweetest people they had ever met, but she was also a lioness when it came to her kids.
Oh, like she protected. She would not let anyone mess with her kids.
I would say that about you. Hell yeah. That's a huge compliment.
You're welcome. In October 1993 they had Jasmine, their first child, a daughter.
Their oldest, Jasmine, was happy, outgoing, super sweet.
She went to a Christian school where teachers and peers described her as a good girl and a good student.
Friends pointed out that when she moved to Medicine Hat, she made an effort immediately to befriend people and make them feel involved in specials.
Like she was just one of those girls that was like, I will reach out to people.
I will befriend whoever. She was also described as a beautiful girl with her mother's amazing smile, pale blue eyes, and long dark hair.
Oh. Pictures of her? She was gorgeous. Yeah, I've seen pics.
Her bedroom was what one would expect from a preteen girl.
Black. That I just described. I'm just kidding.
It was happy, pink, full of stuffed animals like unicorns, bears, kittens.
She had a canopy bed with white lace canopy on it.
Lisa Frank notebooks everywhere. Yeah, like just wholesomeness.
Yeah. Just a wholesome room. Diaries. She was part of her school's fine arts program initially, and she loved to draw and make music.
Oh, cool. Very creative. She also loved her mother's interests, like Reiki, crystals, meditation, and she actually became interested in Wicca as well.
So Jacob, eight-year-old Jacob, was known as the class clown.
Yes. Love it. This family is awesome. Right?
He was a typical hilarious little boy. Shit's gonna go down.
I feel. Yeah, it's all going to be bad. Well, I know that it did.
He loved pretending to be a Jedi and he loved hockey.
Sure. Shut up. In his kindergarten yearbook he wrote quote when I grow up I want to be a policeman or a soldier.
The thing I like best about me is that I have a great family and I am very fast.
My heart. Isn't it just so pure? My heart.
Like, it's so pure. I'm broken. Jasmine was said to adore Jacob.
Friends of the family said she played with him all the time.
She was a good big sister. He looked up to her like...
Just a nice family. Yeah. Fuck. Yeah, it's all gonna go to shit.
I feel that. I feel it coming. Because...
Jasmine was entering early adolescence around this time.
Never good. That's when shit can go either real... Okay?
Real bad. I don't think it ever goes okay.
Yeah. As someone who went through early adolescence, sorry, Dad.
I was an asshole to my dad for like so long.
It's early adolescence. He'd be like, good morning.
I'd be like. Fuck you. Wow. That's tough.
Not necessarily like that. Well, Jasmine kind of did the same thing.
She eased into her... Her badness, actually.
She started getting interested in goth culture, but mainly the artistic side of it.
Okay. She got into the bands, the band The Misfits, like, you know, Cradle of Filth.
Yes. Slipknot, like all those kind of bands.
She started wearing more black and such, but not acting out too much, just getting into the culture.
She was just vibing. She was just feeling stuff out.
One thing about Jasmine, though, is that she looked a lot older than 12.
She matured very early physically, which is hard.
I don't know that because I think I just matured physically like last year.
I can resonate with that a little bit, I think.
Yeah, I think you can definitely more than I can.
But maybe not as much as Jasmine. Yeah, I definitely can't.
Well, actually, research studies have shown that girls who hit puberty and develop earlier than their peers are more at risk for delinquency and aggressive behavior. oh they can also be way more moodier depressed and become socially withdrawn and act out sexually Interesting.
And I think it's because you just start feeling so uncomfortable in your body and you don't know what's happening that you just start to get like angry at everything.
That would make sense. Oh God, I hope that doesn't happen to my kids someday.
I want you all to remember throughout this entire thing that Jasmine is 12 years old.
Keep that in your brain. Because there were times when I was reading this that I forgot.
And then all of a sudden I'd be like, whoo.
Damn, she's 12. Like, whoa. You're in 6th grade when you're 12?
6th or 7th grade, yeah. I was a bitch in 7th grade.
I was getting ruthlessly bullied in seventh grade.
Mm-hmm. You heard? We know you're listening.
We know. So at 11 years old, Jasmine had signed up for a few online sites because... you know, early 2000s.
Oh, AIM. AIM. She portrayed herself as a lot older on these sites.
One was of course MySpace. I was never allowed to have one until I sneaked it.
Until you sneaked it. And she said she was 16 on MySpace.
Because I think you had to to have a MySpace.
Again, she was 11. 11. Oh, not at this point.
She's 11. 11. Okay. She said she's 16 and used the username X underscore madness underscore X.
Her interests on her MySpace bio were hatchets. serial killers, criminal psychology, blood, moonlight, human anatomy, and, quote, kinky shit. minus the kinky shit i feel as though that was yours well i was when i was reading it i was like yeah same yeah same yeah and then at the end i was like oh Not so much.
I support it. I just don't know if I'd list that as my interest.
No. That's really putting it out there to the world.
It really is, especially at 11. Her heroes were Jeffrey Dahmer.
Good. That's a good start. Great start. Batman.
Okay. Criss Angel. Mind Freak. And Marilyn Manson.
I love Marilyn Manson. I get most of them, just not Dahmer.
I get Marilyn Manson. Well, like maybe she wanted to like do mind freak stuff.
Maybe she wanted to be like a, what are they called? illusionist master an illusionist uh in 2005 when she was entering seventh grade okay that's when her teacher saw a huge difference in her.
They said the skirts were getting shorter.
She was sporting chains, fishnets, spiked collars, darker makeup. really committing to this holocaust lifestyle and even though the school contacted her parents with concerns about her dress because remember she was going to like a christian's right I'm surprised that she was like able to yeah even I don't need I don't I'm assuming this wasn't obviously it wasn't one with like uniforms but right She did get in trouble a lot for messing with the dress code.
But her parents didn't see the need to do anything about it, even though the... the school was calling them because they were like, she's not hurting anyone.
Yeah. So see, they were like spiritual. spiritual and like parents being like, she's not hurting anyone.
She's just expressing herself. Right. They're cool parents, man.
So November 10th, 2005, I'm just going to let you, like, I'm going to go through a few social media things just because they're important.
November 10th, 2005, she joined the site VampireFreaks.com Oh, I have the membership to that place.
That still exists. It's still a thing. I am not a member of it, but I'm just saying I've like looked up things and that's come up in my like search results.
She said she was 15, even though she was 12.
Awesome. And her username was x-killerkittyx or dash x.
Cool. Killer kitty. Two weeks after that, she joined Zorpia.com.
Don't know what that is. It's like another...
Social network. I never used it, but I remember hearing it.
Yeah, because this was right out of my high school.
Yeah, it was like three years before mine.
So you'd probably know these sites. You'd at least know what they were, maybe.
Yeah. And she used the nickname Runaway Devil.
Cool. That's a good one. Which is actually the name of the book that I was reading about this case, Runaway Devil.
December 28th, 2005. It's my birthday. It is?
It is. She joined Nextopia.com, which was a social network local to Edmonton, and she joined that under the username RunawayDevil.
And used the email Dying Resurrection. That is... Things get very emo and very...
And that's why I want to keep showing you because it's like just to show how theatrical they were.
On this profile, she wrote, and I got to tell you exactly what she wrote.
So, quote, I am the almighty jazz. Bow down.
I think deep thoughts. I am quite emotional and my mood is ever-changing, although I can be very good at hiding my feelings.
I don't trust easily. I either have lots of energy or very little.
I like to make attempts at poetry and anime.
I make wookie noises and often scare small children.
I am afraid of llamas. I am told I am mentally our word.
I'm not going to say it. Often I am loud and bounce a lot.
When I am hyper, I like to dress up and want an Edward Scissorhands outfit.
Other people live in my head with me. I like random questions.
I like to pretend I'm a gangster sometimes.
Don't worry I'm not. Yeah, I sometimes watch Teen Titans because I am that cool.
I play guitar and I suck. Okay. All righty.
Yeah. That was the inner monologue of Jasmine.
That was just her bio, like her short little like intro about me.
She also posted a lot of lyrics from Cradle of Filth and Slipknot and also Edgar Allan Poe short stories.
So she was really portraying herself as older, dangerous, like a bad girl.
Cute. Now this was all just silly rebellion until she met Jeremy Stanky.
Stanky, stanky. And I know it's stanky, but I call it stanky.
No, it's stanky. It's not stanky. It's stanky.
Jeremy Allen Stanky was 23 years old. remember she is 12 like fun fact i'm not even 23 yet exactly wow She is 12.
He was a high school dropout and lived in a trailer park in Medicine Hat.
He had an alcoholic mother and her partners abused him regularly as he grew up.
Oh, that's really sad. He had a very sad upbringing.
He had already attempted suicide when he met Jasmine.
He also thought he was a 300-year-old werewolf.
I like how you casually just threw that right in there.
You were like, um, he was sad and his life was sad and sadness and werewolf.
And he also thought he was a werewolf. Cool.
300 years old, too. So he's been around for a while.
He's seen some shit. I wanna know what happens to people's brains.
I think a lot happened to his brain. He also wore a necklace with a vial of blood around his neck.
Whose blood? I think that, I don't know whose blood that was.
Actually, he did at one point, he did give Jasmine a vial of his own blood.
Kinky. Which is very Angelina Jolie, Billy Bob Thornton of them.
Yeah. Live your best life. I mean, live it.
He said he was part of a Lycan brotherhood whose empire would one day rise.
A lichen brotherhood? Lichens are werewolves.
Okay. Like in, you remember those movies Underworld?
Yeah. It was like vampires versus lichens.
Okay. Yeah. In a personal blog post he wrote, he said, quote, we must meet in the cemetery one hour before the full moon is full.
Yeah, we gotta. Exclamation point. Exclamation point.
Yeah, I mean, you gotta meet. So that's like where his head was at?
Yeah, he was doing it. And he's 23. President of the werewolves.
You have to meet under the blood moon. You do.
You have to. Or else shit goes awry. He also regularly told people that they better be careful because he might eat them.
Well, he's a werewolf. It's pretty casual.
Jeremy was really badly bullied in school.
They used to call him Stinky. Duh. Like we are.
Going back to the abuse he suffered at home.
His biological father would come home drunk every day, whip him, and drag him to his room by his ears.
Oh, geez. And his mother said this happened from the time he was like a toddler.
Like, cool. Why don't you do something about it, lady?
Like, you're off. Oh, yeah. His mom's. Yeah.
Shitbag. His first stepfather was a drunk as well and had three kids of his own.
He would line them all up if somebody did something wrong and slap their hands with paint sticks until someone confessed.
Jeremy claimed he would also tie them to chairs sometimes and make them watch the other ones being abused.
That's like really fucked up. His mom's third husband once pushed Jeremy's head into a deep freezer causing injury and And when he once tried to help his mother when she was being abused by that stepfather, the stepfather grabbed him by the neck and gave him quote, uppercuts to the face and pounded him in the back of the head.
That's according to his mother. And that was when Jeremy tried to save his mother from this man.
I really don't like that. So he's constantly being abused and witnessing it.
Andy definitely experienced head trauma.
Absolutely. Which is like ding, ding, ding.
So he's obviously unstable. fuck they also moved all the time and jeremy said quote i have never been in one place for too long I only had a few friends because I was always moving around, so I was never able to make friends very frequently. he ended up making when he, when they settled in medicine hat is where they stayed for a longer time.
So he was able to like get in with a group. of goth kids, and he was able to find his place there.
And you know what, I feel like him saying that he's a werewolf is just kind of like he needs an escape.
Oh yeah, the 100%. That's where his head is at.
I need to escape this awful life that I have.
Even his elementary school teachers said he was just an angry, unstable child.
Obviously. He started smoking weed in his early teens which is not like, you know, whatever.
But he was also drinking a lot. He quickly added ecstasy, mushrooms, and acid.
That'll really do a number. He suffered from ADHD.
And at 15, he got blackout drunk by himself outside in the dead of winter and had to be hospitalized because he passed out and got hypothermia.
That was at 15. Was that like a suicide attempt, do you think?
I don't know. It might have been. That's interesting.
At this time, he also became a cutter and things continued to be tough for him at school.
He picked fights and people described him as someone that was kind of just like asking to be teased.
He dropped out three months into 10th grade.
Oh. He moved in with friends and worked some dead-end jobs, but in 2004 he tried to do something with his life and he enrolled. in Medicine Hat College to finish off his high school credits, but he dropped out.
It was in 2005 that he moved back in with his mom to her trailer.
No, bad plan, bad plan, bad plan. Yeah, not a good place.
That same year, she was charged with stabbing Wilfred Yates, her sometimes boyfriend.
Sometimes boyfriend. She got 12 months probation, but she breached that because she wouldn't stop seeing the guy that she stabbed.
So this is the place that he's coming from.
Awesome. Some people, I mean, you know, I think a lot of people have lived lives like this and do good things.
Yeah. Ugh. But it's not a good... It's really easy to argue that these people don't stand a chance.
It doesn't make what they do okay, but it's like, fuck.
No, but it just... It's like you're breeding a serial killer.
That's the thing. And it's like, why would you not just do your best when you have a child?
Well, like, if you don't want it, just... Like, do your best.
Like, obviously, this lady didn't want to have kids.
Clearly. Like, it's clearly very clear, you know?
Yeah. give them up for adoption well that's the thing and it's like she's bringing all these awful men around her son to abuse him and it's like like what is the point of having a kid yeah like i don't understand what do you think you're like in my mind like you have a kid so that you can like protect them and teach them things and hang out with them and like do fun things and yeah The whole point is to make their life even better than what you had.
Yeah, I just don't get that. That's the whole point.
At least that's how I look at it. And I have a great life.
I had a great upbringing. And I'm like, I want yours to be even better. it's like that's what you strive for you just like want it to always be better for them like solid no comment on my upbringing but i mean i want my kids life to be dope Exactly.
And that's what makes a good parent, I feel like.
That intention is the first step to good parenting, is having that intention.
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Now a 17-year-old girl who dated Jeremy when he was 20 said, quote, I probably only knew 10% of him he can change in the blink of an eye he'd sit up in the middle of the night and start talking to himself oh People said after this relationship, that's when he started dating younger and younger girls.
Oh. Yeah. Do you feel as though he was like mentally not 23?
Oh, 100 percent. He was not mentally one.
Do you think that he? was on the spectrum or do you just think that he suffered like crazy abuse that made him young I think he's just incredibly immature yeah incredibly immature And I think he was retreating into these fantasy worlds, which was also kind of like... Coping thing.
Yeah, and it's kind of like keeping him in a younger mindset, you know what I mean?
Yeah, like... you can't really grow up and think you're a werewolf at the same time.
And I mean, I think he's also just really gross and wanted to date 12 year olds.
He started doing coke a lot, getting in trouble with police.
He was shoplifting, writing bad checks, disturbing the peace.
Just, you know, shit isn't going well. disturbing the peace is my favorite right i know it is uh it wasn't until he was 22 that he started doing the goth thing that's when he like found his place that's interesting it's a very late bloomer and the guy he thought he thought he was a werewolf before that though for sure yeah that's very gothy i feel but he's starting really going into like the goth it's like a sublet too yeah i think yeah exactly In fact, one of his favorite bands that he listed was Children of Bodom.
Oh, shit. Which was that band that's named after the Lake Bodom murders.
We're bringing it back again. Well, I like when we... say things at the same time exactly it's fun he started wearing black spiked collars you know like the whole thing And he found popularity among this crowd finally.
And this was a crowd that literally hung out at the mall.
Yeah, I remember. It's like the mall goths.
They kind of treated him like a de facto leader.
A lot of people look to him. I mean, he was older.
All the girls were like in love with him.
Got to look him up now. You know, he you won't understand it.
Cool. At least I didn't. What if I did?
If you do, then it's on you, but that's fine.
It's on you. Normally goths are very chill, very nonviolent, mellow people.
Part of the goth lifestyle is not being violent and aggressive.
Right, but Jeremy was aggressive as fuck so he also just wanted to hang out with younger people.
Like we said, he connected more with really young kids.
Weird. Interestingly. His weird thing with hanging out with younger kids is common in people who suffer from fetal alcohol spectrum disorder.
He kind of looks like he has that. It is a developmental issue associated with it.
ADHD is also found in about 60% of fetal alcohol spectrum disorder cases.
Interesting. So people with this are impulsive.
They have problems putting themselves in reckless situations.
They don't think about it and they don't think about right or wrong or consequences.
Oh. Which describes him perfectly. Weirdly, like I said, a lot of girls who knew him said he was super sweet, kind, generous, like...
Not a lot of people said a lot of bad words about him as like, especially in that goth community.
Right. They all said he was a pretty chill person.
In 2005, when he got super goth, he also started to wear a neoprene black face mask sometimes just for the hell of it. this comes back later.
It's important. It was one of those that just covers the lower half of the face and the nose and it's just like eyes what's neoprene neoprene is kind of like scuba diving material oh okay yeah it was in 2005 that jeremy met jasmine Feel like it's not going to go anywhere good.
Nope. Definitely doesn't. Great. Jasmine's 13-year-old friend Kaylee introduced them.
She liked that he was like popular in the goth crowd.
She said he was really hyper and like...
She's like, you are afraid of llamas. You like to bounce around.
He's hyper too. Exactly. You guys should meet.
It's true. And he was always the center of attention, so she liked it.
Her friend Kaylee, by the way, was like an absolute wreck and was like a teen runaway all the time.
Oh, that's sad. Jasmine and Jeremy bonded over being misunderstood.
Because like goth. Exactly. And Jasmine was starting to get shit from her parents now. because she was hanging out with a ton of older dudes like Jeremy.
But she hung out before she met Jeremy. She was hanging out with these two guys named...
Raven, which is fine. Okay. And trench coat.
Wow. I hope my kids never hang out with a man named Trenchcoat.
Raven and Mop Bucket. Like it's just like this, just an object.
Raven and cowboy boot. Raven and Swiffer Wetjet.
It's amazing. So Raven and Trenchcoat, they were also in their 20s.
And they were like the other leaders in the goth group, you know, hanging out with a bunch of younger kids.
It's like a goth society. It is. It's like a commune.
So every weekend she was starting to go to these punk shows with these hooligans.
Goth rapes. Her parents were just not psyched.
You're so old. You just said hooligans. I had to say hooligans.
She started fighting with her parents more and she started sinking deeper into this like darker persona that she was creating.
Her school guidance counselors were starting to get concerned with her dress and her attitude.
Yeah. One day she told her guidance counselor that she wanted to be put into foster care.
Oh, wow. And her guidance counselor was like, why?
That's alarming. And when she was pressed for it, she said she just hated living under her parents' rules.
And they were like, well, are they hurting you or abusing you?
And she literally was like, no, they don't abuse me.
They're just assholes. It's like, oh, so you're just 12 and don't want to hear no.
That's all. Being a guidance counselor must suck.
Being a parent. Being a parent does suck, I bet.
These poor people. Are not abusing their child.
They got a phone call and they're like, then they get another one.
They're like, oh, sorry, the investigation is off.
She just said you guys are assholes. That's it.
That's it. Can you imagine? The investigation is unfounded.
Your 12-year-old just came into the guidance counselor's office and asked to be put in foster care because you guys are assholes. so pissed i feel like you're grounded until you die i'd be so mad well the guidance counselor said uh she could tell she could tell that she was telling the truth that there was absolutely no abuse or mistreatment of any kind she said she's like you're just a little asshole well she said i would have called authorities if i had any inkling that something was wrong here jasmine was just a little bitch and like jasmine says uh she said quote i wanted to keep having fun and disobeying we were fighting a lot and i was being grounded on weekends So that was her reasoning for wanting to go in foster care.
I feel like foster care would have been really bad for her.
Yeah. Yeah. Well, by this time, Jeremy and Jasmine were hanging out a ton.
No. In February 2006, near Valentine's Day, Jeremy sent an email to Jasmine using his email Morbid Flames.
Oh, oh. Fan mail. Fan mail. Fan name. Right?
And asked her to be his girlfriend. Again, he's 23 and she is 12.
She's 12. I don't even know any 12 year olds.
Like what the fuck? Yeah. I don't even, I like, what is a 12 year old?
I don't know. Their first date was a few days later at an all-ages punk show.
Jasmine claims he told Jeremy... Jasmine claims she told Jeremy she was 13, even though she was 12.
Jeremy said he was under the impression that she was like 16.
It's still creepy, dude. But either way, I'm like, you're 23, dude.
Yeah, like maybe like sniff up another tree somewhere.
I don't know. How about just like eat? and that's it.
Yeah, just let's legalize it. 18 is super fucking young too.
They kept their relationship secret, obviously, because their parents would definitely not be cool with it. they talked on the phone every night they used the internet to connect with each other like that was their thing Of course, Jeremy was on all those same social media sites she was on.
Vampire flames. Yes. And on Nextopia.com, he used the username Soul Eater.
Okay. These kids are so much. Yeah, this is extra.
They're so much. This is very campy. For his likes, he listed, quote, fellow lycan brethren.
What does that mean? His werewolf brethren.
Oh, okay. I like my friends. Is that what he was saying?
Yeah. Okay. His werewolf friends. All right.
Among the music he liked were Cradle of Filth, Dying Fetus.
Murder Dolls, Marilyn Manson, Korn, Stone Sour, Megadeth, Slipknot, and Pantera.
Awesome. His dislikes were happiness. Yeah, pretty much.
Quote, my heart being broken again. Girls my age.
Homewreckers. hypocrites, lies, the sun, same.
I like the sun. Untrustworthy people or unreliable people.
Yeah, duh. Stabbers, cheaters, spider webs, parentheses, not spiders.
They're cool. K-E-W-L. Yes. Yes, I love a good cure.
The cure. The cure. Also, this is all his dislikes, by the way.
Planes. Posers. He says prostitutes. Okay, that's weird.
And of sex workers, he wrote, quote, I like to kill them, play with their insides, and then eat.
He also disliked Pigs, Cops, Godforsaken Accordion, and N-Word.
So already he is a fucking monster. Yeah, he's a literal monster.
Because, of course, he doesn't use, he's not using, like, sex worker as the word.
No, of course not. Prostitutes, and he's saying he likes to kill prostitutes.
And he was saying, he said pigs and cops, or he said pigs?
Yeah, so which one, which I'm like, so you don't like cops and you also don't like the animal pig?
Like, how do you not like a pig? Have you seen Charlotte's Web?
On vampirefreaks.com, he wrote, quote, I believe in blood, destruction, guts, gore, and greed.
Which I'm like, I believe in blood. Like, it exists.
It is a viscous fluid. Like, I agree with you that blood exists.
It does. It's flowing through all of us.
As far as I've been told. Like what a weird way to say it.
It's not vile. His likes were gothic beings.
Yeah. yes mosh pits yeah loud music yeah piercings yeah tattoos totally scarification nope Pain Lost me Kinky fetishes Done Heavy metal I left Blood?
I mean, I like having blood. I'm a big fan of the blood running through my veins.
I'm a big fan. I do like that. Razor blades.
Eyeliner. yeah poetry cool dark clothing yeah aggressiveness um and nails Like getting them done or like the ones that you hammer into a wall.
Yeah. I'm assuming the ones that you like hammer into a wall.
Jeremy would like serenade Jasmine over the phone with songs that he wrote to her.
Do you know how uncomfortable I get when people sing?
Oh my god. I get so far. I would hang up and block his number.
Yeah, that would stress me out. She said, quote, I felt really flattered and loved.
He was really romantic. He told me that he loved me all the time.
I was falling in love with him. I was 12.
At the end of the sentence. The end of all the sentences.
Now, I'm going to have a few emails that I'm going to throw in here between the two because they're just too good not to share.
No, I'm just kidding. I actually really want them.
He actually emailed Jasmine a song he wrote called quote till death do us part.
Are you getting married? This was sent on March 6th at 1245 p.m.
The words say or part of it is, quote, you're the blood that flows through my veins.
You're the sun breaking through the clouds when it rains.
My love is for you forever. As we die here together, we'll be together forever till death do we part.
Yeah, I'd give that a D+. He's killing it.
D+. Killing the game. He rapped together and together.
He did. At one point. That's a bold move.
Okay, Nicki Minaj. That is a bold move. Now, at this point, when he sent her this email, she was grounded indefinitely.
Damn it. Same. You want to know why? Because one night she was tasked with babysitting her little brother because her parents were going to a work event.
Mm-hmm. And she just decided that she didn't want to babysit him anymore, so her and her friend just left him and went to 7-Eleven.
Oh. And poor Jacob freaked out and got scared and called his parents.
Oh. Yeah. So she could... So... She couldn't see Jeremy, obviously, because she was grounded indefinitely.
She could only communicate with him online.
She's lucky she still got to go online. Well, yeah.
She was probably sneaking it though. Interestingly, the communication starts off like super gross and like preteeny.
And like mushy. Gross. And then later it gets super dark.
March 8th, 2006 at 2.36 p.m. This is Two Runaway Devil from Soul Eater.
So Two Jasmine from Soul Eater. Imagine being the FBI guys that had to read these emails.
I would pay so much money to watch that happen.
Oh, man. And just be like, what do you guys have over there?
And you'd be like, I got a to run away and from soul leader over here.
What do you guys have? Mine starts, hey, cuddle pants, what is your start?
That was a good one. The subject of this is ha-ha.
Yeah. LOL. And so this is to Jasmine from Jeremy.
Yes. God, I can't get over not seeing or talking to you.
I yearn to hear your soft, subtle voice. and long to be held in your arms wherever that might be.
I don't care, but just to share time with you together with you are die for.
And there's not anything that could ever replace the way you make me feel.
Hearts. I miss you. I love you. And I wish we could just go somewhere to just be alone together for a little while.
Or as long as you would like, question mark.
I think tonight I'm going to write another song to you.
Big smiley face. Won't that be fun, especially seeing as you shall not read it or hear it till I see you next time, Teehee? r-o-f-l well i guess i should go or something but i hope to hear from you much sooner than later ttyl cuddle bunny hugs and kisses I would throw myself off a building if I received that email.
Just everybody remember, they're going to end up being two brutal murderers.
I would throw myself off of a building, I repeat, if I received that email. is a brutal murder if anybody ever ever referred to me as cuddle bunny or said tee hee hee in a text message exchange I would block their number and jump off of a building.
Tee hee hee. r-o-f-l goodbye on march 9th jeremy posted a poem onto one of the crazy websites they were on called the world no It says, The world I live in is dark and cold.
The things these pitiful souls do seem to never get old.
I wish for they would all die. the earth can burn to hear them all scream i yearn their blood should be spilled for some of them my heart they killed but it is not that for wish I wish they'd die before this planet being filled with hatred, deceit, and lies.
That's actually not bad. I'm going to give that like a C+.
I'll give it a full letter grade up. I'll give it an F+.
I'll give you the plus because you rhymed some things.
It was really heartfelt. Sure. Why not? You know.
Jasmine's parents got so scared about her online activity because they had started to monitor it because they were getting nervous about what was going on.
Can you imagine? imagine if you're monitoring your kids no thing and then that's what pops up negative can't do it Oh, that's like the, you have to do it.
You have to monitor it and you just have to hope that you never.
That you never see TTYL Cuddle Bunny hugs and kisses.
Oh, God, I would light myself on fire. Well, they got so upset and disturbed by all of this that they boxed her computer up.
Yeah. Like you can't be on the computer.
Of course, this sent Jasmine into more of a rage.
She complained to her friends... but her friends all kind of agreed with her parents because they all hated Jeremy and thought it was gross that like a 23 year old was dating a seventh grader.
And he complained to his like friends that his young girlfriend's parents were forbidding her from seeing him.
And his friends were like, Yeah, it's gross that you're dating someone.
Everyone was like, moral of the story is she's 12.
So they're getting... They're more and more getting into this...
Us against everybody. It's you and me against the world, Cuddle Bunny.
Now, Jasmine did sneak out to see Jeremy one night.
Oh, shit. She's got a lot of kahunas. She really does.
And after this happened, Jeremy wrote her this email.
It was on March 13th, 2006 at 3.08 p.m. The subject is, hey sexy, she's 12.
Yeah. How goes it? You're a sight for sore eyes and I miss you more than killing people.
Can we get together and kill people together?
Nope. I have a poem for you and you shall see it when I see you.
Teehee. Stop with the teehee, sir. Well, I guess I should go.
I love you tons. Love. And Jasmine responded... four hours later, saying, quote, killing people sounds like fun.
And she said, aha, yes, we shall. And then she said, I miss you, too.
A large, large amount that cannot be contained in mere words.
I wish to see this poem. Love you. The same month, Jasmine was surprised by Jeremy with a gift.
Oh, that's cool. The gift was a vial of his own blood.
Okay. So that's nice. That's really thoughtful.
Yeah, you know. Thanks for your blood. I hope you don't have...
And he even emailed her after that and said, I hope you'll.
What do you say? And what of the vial of blood I gave you? what are your words on expressing your thoughts on that item of my love to you you're shitting me can you say that again Like, he's like, he's just basically saying, do you like it?
What are your words on expressing your thoughts on the item of my love I gave to you?
He's just trying to say so many words for no reason.
And then he says, yay. think he really does this is a 23 year old syndrome he also said quote when are we going to go go get together and kill some more pitiful souls Why don't you just play a video game?
Yeah, what's happening? Because you know she's 12.
Exactly. And a couple of days after this, he messaged a friend saying, to say he and Jasmine wanted to murder her whole family to copy Natural Born Killers, which was their favorite movie.
Oh, so this was on March 16th, 2006 at 922 p.m.
It is to kill my heart. from soul eater these kids so much shit i'm telling you this is why i couldn't get all of those screen names i know because they took them all I thought of them too.
I wanted morbid flames, but he took it. I love morbid flames.
Can we make a new Gmail? Yes. Morbid flames at gmail.com.
So this message that he wrote to kill my heart said the whole point of killing them would be to start a spree across Canada.
ROFL. Kind of like the legendary Mickey and Mallory, love, love birds.
Now have you seen that movie? It's called Natural Born Killers.
It's the best love story of all time. I loves it so much I want to do it myself.
Oh, he's killing it. Literally. Now, at this point, when all this is going on, her parents are just desperately trying to get her back.
Right. Because where the fuck did she go?
Yeah, they're like, what are you? So now they convinced her to go to family counseling with them.
Oh. And after a few sessions, they actually saw a change.
So they were like, okay, you know what? You can have some of your privileges back.
So they let her go to some of the shows on the weekends.
The catch? They had to go with her. wow these parents are badass um this all culminated with her so she was like all right you can come to one okay i want to go i want to see my friends i haven't seen them in months yeah so they were like all right so they went well at the show her parents caught her they lost her first of all oh god found her in an alleyway making out with her 23-year-old boyfriend, Jeremy.
Wow, the kahunas on this girl. I'm saying, obviously they were pissed, and she was grounded for a month with no phone and no computer privileges.
Good. Yeah. So she started using library computers to talk to Jeremy.
Oh, wow. On March 20, 2006... Jasmine wrote to Jeremy with the subject, Hey Beautiful.
And it said rawr, R-A-W-R. Remember when people used to write that?
Rawr, I hate them. So I have this plan.
It begins with me killing them and ends with me living with you.
So are we set? I'm going to try to call you, but I really don't know if I'll be able to.
They are treating me like shit. I hate them so much. but I hope this won't bring us far apart.
I hope to talk to you soon and love you with all my heart.
Love. Wow. So the next day Jeremy wrote back to Jasmine.
This was on March 21st, 2006. He wrote, well, I love your plan, but we need to get a little more creative with the details and stuff.
I wish they wouldn't treat you that way.
Grr. It angers me to hear that. I dislike them very much.
Don't worry, I love you too, my sexy beast.
Goodbye. I hope to hear from you soon. Take care, or to take care, my love.
I don't know. You have the key to my heart and soon enough you shall have my heart if I die anyway.
Because if I give it to you now, I'll die.
Then you won't be able to hear me say how much I love you.
What? What the fuck is that thought process?
What are you saying? She's smarter than him.
I'd just like to point that out. 100%. And then, you know, and that's what he's saying.
He's literally like, if I give you my heart, and I won't be able to tell you that I love you because I'll die and then you won't hear it.
But you can have it. Love. It's like, okay, Forrest Gump.
What the fuck? On Friday, March 24th, 2006, Jeremy posted a poem on his Nextopia page.
That was a little weird. And it's a little on the nose.
Quote, my girlfriend's family are totally unfair.
They say that they really care. They don't know what is going on.
They just assume, as their greed continues to consume.
She is slowly going insane. She continues to think that I came into her life to help her out. and to stop what they keep trying to shout.
It's all total bullshit. Their throats I want to slit.
They will regret the shit they have done, especially when I see to it that they are gone.
They shall pay for their insolence. Finally there shall be silence.
Their blood shall be payment. Oh no. That poem sucks.
So what's crazy about this is I'm like...
Do you guys know what a digital footprint is?
Because if you're really planning on doing this, you have literally left...
Just delicious little breadcrumb trail, right?
Okay, Hansel and Gretel. Idiots. Stupid ads.
By now they were sneaking out together more and by now they were having sex.
She is 12. They also started planning the massacre of her family.
Awesome. In fact, several friends of both Jasmine and Jeremy said...
She was begging him to do it all the time.
She was like, you need to do this. If you love me, you will do this.
That's so fucked up. So in mid-April, Jeremy's good friend Grant Bolt, which is like such a country singer name.
Yeah, it is. He had a weird conversation with Jeremy.
They were in a parking lot behind some grocery store or something.
And they were sitting in Jeremy's truck smoking pot.
And Jeremy randomly asked him, how far would you go for love?
And Grant was like, I'm just trying to get stoned.
Grant was like, what? What are you? Um, and Greg was like, I'm a 23 year old guy.
Not very far. I'm very confused. I don't know what love is.
Like, I don't know. And so Jeremy said, quote, Jasmine is pretty much going to break up with me unless I do it soon.
And then he said, quote, I don't think I can do this by myself.
I need someone I can trust. Are you in? And Grant literally told him to go fuck himself.
Really? Yeah, he was like, no. That's amazing.
But he also was smoking pot and like was high and whatever.
So he was like, I don't know, whatever, dude, like you're crazy.
Like he didn't think that he was like serious.
Yeah. Then soon after that, Jeremy posted another song on Nextopia.com.
He needs to quit his career. um and this song is basically about killing for someone the chorus says i will kill i will spill the blood for you tonight It will be a blood shedding fight.
You satisfy my hunger. You quench my thirst.
So it's basically him just being like, I'll kill for you.
That's basically it. Great record. He also pretty much admitted their plan on a public forum on VampireFreaks.com when he responded to his friend's comment in public.
The friend had joked about being bored and he said he started hitting himself to keeping himself awake because he was so bored.
What are these people? And Jeremy responded, quote, oh, yeah, LOL.
Hope you enjoy hitting yourself. I, on the other hand, would rather do morbid stuff.
Let's see. To others. No. Like Jax's rents, for example, which I'm going to do this weekend.
Oh. So he's literally telling people they're fine.
That's not good. Oh, I wish that somebody was able to intervene before it happened.
Literally, I'm like, guys, so many people.
Because I love this family. We're being... told and no one was telling anybody because they were like what the fuck is this kid saying this kid's crazy Now this brings us to Saturday, April 22nd.
Oh, no. So the Richardson family has hot dogs and barbecue for dinner in their backyard.
Oh. Which they did often. They would have big barbecues in their backyard with their kids.
Because they were happy. This was all while Jacob was playing with his best friend Gareth.
Jeremy at the time bought a 12-pack of beer in an eighth-ounce bag of pot and He smoked two bowls with the person that dealt him the pot, headed back to his trailer.
Jeremy says, quote, I plan to get drunk.
He went through 12 beers. He raided his mom's beer supply in the refrigerator.
And when that was all gone, he took out a bottle of vodka and started drinking that.
Whoa. I'm surprised he didn't die. Yeah, no, it's crazy.
That's a lot of alcohol. During this whole thing, Jasmine had herself a bubble bath later that night.
Her friend texted her, quote, do you want to go swimming or to the mall tomorrow?
And Jasmine replied, I can't. And her friend said, why not?
And she never replied back. What a bitch.
I wonder if that's because she's like, well, we're gonna kill my whole family tonight, so I'm probably gonna be on the run.
Around 9 p.m., Jeremy pulled up in his mother's pickup truck to his friend Jordan's house.
Jordan was actually trying to avoid Jeremy.
I almost wrote Jeremy. was actually hoping to avoid Jeremy because he had already called Jordan and asked him to help him kill this family.
But why didn't he report it? These kids are all like...
They're all on copious amounts of drugs, drinking heavily.
They're all, like, just wrecks. Just fucked up.
They really are. And so Stephanie, who was Jordan's girlfriend, actually let Jeremy in when he came.
And Jeremy came in pleading for help with this.
I'd be like, just don't do it. He literally bluntly asked Jordan, Jordan, will you help me with this?
And Jordan said, no way. I don't have it in me to kill another human being.
And he left. Neither. But again, Jordan did nothing.
Jeremy went back to his mom's trailer and he called Jordan one more time.
And Jordan claims that he said, quote, if I ever find out you or anybody else told the police about this, I will kill all of you because I won't know which one is the rat.
And when Jordan said, quote, so all these innocent people have to be killed because of what one person said, Jeremy said, yep.
Oh, good. So Jeremy watched Natural Born Killers again with his friends.
Oh, she was a crazy fucking loser. In the flick, there's a part where the couple kills her parents and then they all of a sudden see Mallory's little brother. who in the movie is actually her son because her dad raped her.
Oh. Yeah. It's a whole fucked up thing. Because her life actually sucked.
Jasmine's didn't. Well, and instead of killing the brother, Mickey and Mallory tell him you're free.
And that's when Jeremy turned to his friends and said, that's where it's going to be different.
Jasmine's going to kill her brother. My God.
And his friends were like, yeah. Okay. That's probably fine.
Because they just thought he was crazy. But I'm going to be real.
If somebody says that to me, I'm going to call the police.
Yeah, like for real. Like, don't joke like that to me.
No, that's not funny. Especially because her brother was eight.
Yeah, eight years old. At 3 a.m., Jeremy went to visit his Coke dealer to get some powdery courage.
Whoa. Whoa. He drank vodka there, and he also drank vampire-brand wine.
And also took some ecstasy. How did he not overdose and die?
I think this was literally like how he lived.
Like they all seem to live. But all in one night.
Oh, I agree. I have no idea how the human body did this.
But I know that these people he hung out with, this was just...
I just don't understand how your brain doesn't explode after six lines of all that alcohol and ecstasy.
Well, I would argue that his brain did explode.
No, but I mean like... From what he does next.
I mean literally. Yeah. Like I don't under...
I shouldn't say brain. I should say heart.
Yeah. I'm so confused about how that didn't happen.
I don't know how, but... Sorry, I got... After he did all that, he left and grabbed some gum at a convenience store around 4 a.m. because...
Jasmine hated when his breath smelled like smoke.
Yeah. That was his reasoning. Like, after all that, he was like, oh, I gotta get something going.
Like what? Oh, and then he snorted two more grams of cocaine.
So he went to Jasmine's house. Two grams of cocaine?
Yep. He went to Jasmine's house at 4 a.m.
He threw a pinecone at her window to wake her up.
She led him through their basement window where she often snuck out through.
He had a knife in the pocket of his hoodie.
And when he entered the home, he made a ton of noise.
Because he's fucked up beyond measure. So Debra, the mother, woke up and was like, what the fuck?
She thought Jasmine was sneaking out. Right.
So she ran down to the basement. She was wearing only a blue nightgown.
When she got down there, she came face to face with coke-fueled Jeremy, who was wearing that weird neoprene face mask.
Oh. Oh my God. He was also wearing fishnet arm stockings and a black bandana wrapped around his neck.
It's literally terrifying. He immediately slashed at her with the knife and she screamed and threw her arms up in like a defensive position.
Right. This is when Jeremy just started stabbing her torso. oh no up to a dozen times oh no mark the father heard this commotion and ran downstairs only in black boxer shorts he grabbed a screwdriver on his way down oh no according to jeremy mark attacked him he said he said quote he came at me real fast i was scared shitless I went to back up and I tripped and fell and he jumped on me and attempted to stab me in my chest. obviously you just just like killed his wife yeah and jeremy so jeremy was able to like deflect that and knocked the screwdriver out of mark's hand So he said, quote, he grabbed my face and shoved his thumbs in my eye.
Good, I'm so happy. Which that's my go-to. yeah just pluck out those eyes man once you get someone's eyes that makes my eyes hurt i will pluck the fuck out of people's eyes yes put that on shirt pluck the fuck out of intruders eyes yes Every single time.
Yeah, do it. He started stabbing at Mark, but Mark fought like hell.
Hell. One thing that is, everybody who investigated this case was like, that dad. fought for his family now.
That makes it, sometimes that makes it worse.
I know it makes it worse, but it's like he, But also it's like, I'm glad that his memory was like that.
Yeah, is that he was being the protector.
So he had actually like fallen on top of Jeremy.
And when Jeremy got out from underneath him.
He stabbed him multiple times and even being stabbed multiple times, Mark was still able to start choking him.
Jeremy started stabbing him again. At this point, Jasmine ran downstairs and said, I saw my mom lying at the bottom of the stairs.
I saw my dad and Jeremy fighting. I was hearing them yelling things.
I ran back upstairs. Like, don't try to help.
Don't try to. Right. She heard her dad. This is really sad.
She heard her dad asked Jeremy, who are you?
Before falling straight back on the floor, his last words were looking up at his daughter's boyfriend and asking why.
And he responded to him by saying, because you treat your daughter like shit.
It's what your daughter wanted. So the last things that this father heard was your daughter wanted this.
That's really horrible. Those are the last words a father heard.
That's really fucking horrible. Like that.
Can you imagine as a parent hearing like this is happening to you and hearing your daughter wanted this?
No, that's just like fucked up beyond measure.
Like that's beyond. So both her parents at this point were seemingly dead to Jeremy.
Oh, wow. So he met Jasmine upstairs in the kitchen.
He said, quote, I waited for maybe 30 seconds.
I don't know how long, but I turned to go upstairs to find out what she was doing.
I assumed she was grabbing some belongings or something, and I heard some kind of conversation.
I don't know what was said. Trigger warning.
It is now time for Jacob. I'm going to start crying.
It's pretty bad. So Jasmine went upstairs to her eight-year-old little brother who was yelling, Jasmine, what's going on?
He was cowering in bed. She said, go to sleep.
And she kept saying it. And she began cradling him. and put his neck in like the crook of her arm and started squeezing oh my god She was trying to like choke him out.
And so he was like digging his hands into her arm and being like, stop it.
What are you doing? What are you doing? He broke free.
Ran into the hallway and Jasmine said she knew Jeremy was coming up the stairs because he was like hyperventilating when he was coming up.
She said, quote, he was staggering up the stairs.
There was blood all over him. He was dragging his sleeve on the wall.
And when they came in investigators afterwards, they saw just like a line of like he had dragged blood up the wall.
That's terrifying. So one of them said they both neither one can agree on who said this.
We can't just leave him. So I wish that they had.
Jacob literally fought as hard as his dad did.
The police officers who were first on scene said blood was on everything in the little boy's purple bedroom.
His blood also soaked the carpet in the hallway outside his bedroom door where they said, quote, a major bloodletting event occurred.
Later, it was discovered that Jacob had been repeatedly stabbed while fighting to get away from his older sister and her boyfriend.
And then one of them had slashed Jacob's throat wide open.
He died choking on his own blood. Jeremy claims Jasmine slashed his throat and then calmly walked past him.
Jasmine barely, he said Jasmine barely rinsed the knife that she used and then just left it on the counter where they did find it.
Oh my God. She then told Jeremy to wait outside, and she grabbed her packed bag and her mom's purse.
Jeremy was paranoid out of his mind and like crazy at this point.
And he took off running down the street.
And then drove back in the direction of his trailer, leaving Jasmine at the house.
Good. She ended up calling a cab around 525 AM.
Of course, she needed money. So she took her mom's purse and ran to an ATM to take money from her mom's account.
Stupid. She got to Jeremy's trailer and he showered and they bagged up the bloody clothing.
Then they went to an apartment building and threw away the clothes in a dumpster behind it.
They wiped down the inside of Jeremy's mother's truck that they were using.
Then they went to Jeremy's Coke dealer's house.
And the guy said Jeremy was an absolute mess.
He said he was, like, spaced out as hell.
And he said, quote, he spooked me. He asked me how to clean blood off knives.
Not knife, knives, the Coke dealer said. oh and then jeremy and jasmine had sex because what gets you going more than family annihilation After the two drove to another apartment known for being a party house and then attended a rager where people said that they were literally making out... and essentially going at it on the couch in front of everybody.
That's really disgusting. one of the witnesses said, Jasmine was straddling Jeremy on the couch and they were face to face the whole time.
She was rubbing up on Jeremy on the couch.
Ew. After they murdered her entire family.
James Wally, who is a good friend of Jeremy.
I know. I know. James Wally, who was a good friend of Jeremy's, was the one who Jeremy actually confided first in at this time.
He told him, quote, we killed my girlfriend's family last night.
I gutted them like a fish. His tone was completely mellow, like we were having an everyday conversation, James said.
And then, after he said this, Jasmine said to James, quote, my little brother gargled.
That's so. So they literally said in these two things are going to be like the most damning to them later.
And I think we're going to pause for part two now.
Shit. We're going to leave you on that really dark and awful note.
And now that we've left you on that horrible note...
Let's bring it up a little bit and thank some Patronuses.
This week we're going to thank five Patronuses.
Five. Five lucky winners of the Patronusi Awards. name-calling thing.
That one. Yep. Christy Wrench. Christy Wrench?
You don't have to wrench any kind of feelings out of me because I love you.
They should put your face on a bench. Even better.
Yeah. Thanks, Christy. Thanks, Christy. Next is, I'm really sorry if I say your name wrong.
I believe it's Amy Me Mar. Amy Meemar, you are a star.
You just make me want to sing. Yeah, that's part of it.
That's the way you say it. Thank you so much, Amy.
Thank you. Next is Sarah Iverson. Sarah Iverson.
You are just... I bet you started bawling when you were young.
There you go. Thank you. Thank you so much.
Next is Molly Warriner. Molly Warriner? Warriner?
I hardly know her. Yeah. Thanks, Molly.
Thank you so much, Molly. And the last one for this week is Allie Brokenshire.
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I was going to say, I will fix the Shire for you.
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