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I'm your host, Chris Duffy.
This week we've got a compilation of some of our favorite moments from previous episodes of the show.
One of the cool things about the fact that we've gotten to talk to so many people over the years of doing the show is that the producers and I have started to find some themes that come up again and again and again in these interviews.
And one of the themes that comes up a lot is how powerful and important it is to find a way to connect with nature.
Now, as I've talked about a lot on this show, I am a city boy.
I grew up in a small apartment in a big building in a huge city.
We did not have a front yard.
We did not have a backyard.
If I wanted to touch grass, I was going to a park and I was going to be touching grass that a lot of other people had already touched before me.
But you know what? That didn't make it any less special to be laying out on that lawn or to be looking out at the river or to be walking in the shade of a tree.
And while my family did live in that big city, we still managed to get out into nature, whether that was visiting friends or hiking or camping, being surrounded by a pine forest or jumping into a lake or the one time that we saw a moose in a bog.
Those are memories that stand out so vividly in my mind.
There are times when I felt small in the best way.
I was in awe. And also at the same time, I was smelling smells that were not just hot garbage and pee.
So, you know, there were a lot of victories there.
What I'm trying to say is that even for me, even for a person who thinks it's unnatural and frankly weird, anytime I'm in a place where I can't see other people around me, even I got to experience the power of connecting with nature.
And on today's show, we are going to have thoughts and insights from people much smarter than me about the natural world and about our relationship to nature.
And why that is so important and what we can do to cultivate it.
But first, a quick break.
We will be right back after this.
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And we are back. We're talking about nature today, and our first clip comes from our episode, How to Find Food in Your Backyard.
That episode was a conversation with the forager, cook, and environmental scientist, Alexis Nicole Nelson.
Something that I really love about you and the way that you engage with the world is, you know, you have this, like, scientific accuracy, but you also have a really great sense of humor, and then you're also, I think, able to think about these things in a bigger philosophical way.
So I am curious to get your take on, and this is a big question, but, like, why do you think we are often so disconnected from nature and from the idea of, like, understanding at the most basic level, the plants that are around us?
Honestly, if we're going to take it way, way back, the disconnection kind of started with the advent of the agricultural revolution.
And that makes perfect sense.
Nature is hard to predict.
It's hard to rely on when it's your only source of, like, taking care of yourself, your family, your community.
So the first step of disconnection definitely came from us being like, okay, all of these different groups around the world decided these are the plants we're going to focus in on because these are the most productive.
These are the animals we're going to focus in on because they were easier to domesticate.
And that immediately others, all of the other plants and animals, and relegates them for some people to something that they decide is less important to them, affects them less on a regular basis.
Then you have the industrial revolution, which then had people flocking to cities.
You know, all of these places with bricks and with concrete with a lot fewer plants and animals than people would have been seeing if they were outliving on the farm.
You're not seeing all of these little machinations and the day -to -day changes in nature anymore.
So I think that was another point of disconnection.
And food was kind of one of the last ways that we were staying connected to a lot of different plant species because we were having to eat seasonally because before things like refrigerated trucks and all of these really high -tech, like, hoop houses and warmed spaces for growing plants outside of their
season, you would only have tomatoes during tomato season.
You'd only have apples during apple season and, in a way, that was keeping people tethered to some of the rhythms of nature.
But now you can have a Granny Smith apple in February regardless of where here in North America you live.
You can have raspberries any time of the year, outside of the, like, two weeks, really, that they're in season every summer.
And so this little bit that we were still holding on to with having to know how nature was moving through its yearly cycles, gone.
And we're not the ones growing the food, so we're not even in the greenhouses, the hoop houses or anything, even getting to see that aspect of the way that plants grow.
People, like, don't know what plants grow on trees versus shrubs versus vines because they don't have to.
It makes me think, like, foraging is, on the one hand, you know, a way to get food and to have a little delicious adventure, but it's also a way to rebuild that connection.
It definitely feels like when you are out foraging, you are tapping into something very normal, very natural, at least for me.
I don't know. There might be some not outdoorsy people who are like, I don't know.
This is not a soothing experience for me.
Do you find it to be soothing?
Do you find that to be like a part of taking care of your health, not just physically, but also mentally?
Oh, absolutely. It's a really meditative practice for me.
I realize when I go out into the woods, especially if I've been glued to my phone for the hours leading up to it, you go through a bit of an adjustment period to where, at first, you feel really overstimulated and you're like, oh, too many trees, too many plants, too many fungi.
And then you start, your breathing starts slowing down, you start hitting a groove with your pace while you're hiking, and your brain starts kind of being able to like tune into all of these things.
You go into a bit of a soft focus.
And for me, I find that incredibly meditative.
It really helps me bring down the general anxiety caused by just, you know, existing.
As a connected person in this world, we have built.
That was Alexis Nicole Nelson.
What she was saying about her ability to find calm and peace in the natural world, that really resonates with me.
I think that's an important piece for many of us.
And when I think about someone who embodies that depth of connection to the planet, the conversation that immediately comes to mind for me is from our episode that we recorded with Jill Heinrich.
It was called How to Dive into Your Fears.
Jill is a cave diver.
As you're about to hear, Jill's work takes her deep into the earth.
But her relationship with her work is much more profound than just the adrenaline rush that many people might expect when they hear the words cave diver.
I tell people I'm a cave diver and sometimes they picture me like diving off of cliffs into ocean waters and things like that.
But no, I'm literally swimming through the veins of Mother Earth.
I'm swimming through these water filled spaces beneath your feet, you know, deep ocean environments and certainly water filled caves are a place of great mystery.
And for me, it's been more than science.
It's been almost a spiritual pursuit as well, because when I do recognize that we are all connected by those watery resources around the planet, then I realized I had an important place, an important voice from the inside of the earth.
Because if you think of the water that comes out of caves, it comes out of a spring, it feeds a creek, goes to a river, that river reaches an estuary.
That's like the nursery for all the fish and other inhabitants that are going to fuel, you know, the ocean with great abundance.
And so, you know, even if you live in the, you know, the center of North America, nowhere near a water body, the actions that you have on the surface of the earth will eventually affect these water systems all the way out to the oceans.
And being able to swim through these spaces, you know, helped me to realize that if I could communicate about what I've seen and what I've experienced that maybe it would animate the environment and help people understand how they could protect it.
That was Jill Heinerth.
We're going to take a quick break, but when we come back, we've got a clip about a natural experience that you, regardless of where you live or who you are, can try out yourself.
That's right after this.
And we are back. Today we're playing some of our favorite clips from episodes of our show about the natural world.
One way that people can start caring about the environment and taking care of the world around them is by building a personal connection to it.
And in the episode we recorded with Christian Cooper, Why You Should Try Birding, Christian talked about how one of the reasons he is so passionate about birding is that it is a way of connecting with nature that anyone can have access to.
Your excitement and your enthusiasm for birding is so infectious, you just genuinely love it.
But it's also something that you very consciously have cultivated is trying to spread the word about birding, trying to get more people into birding.
And your book is even called Better Living Through Birding.
So why do you think that birding is so important for better living?
I think a lot of us are very disconnected from nature these days, particularly if we live in cities.
We like to think, oh, you know, in this manmade environment, we are somehow detached, removed.
You're not, but you can feel like that sometimes.
And I think getting out into a more natural type of environment can be incredibly calming, incredibly soothing.
Birding just gets you out there, engages you with the natural world and gets you outside of your own head and area.
And that's great. The exercise is wonderful, and I do it myself.
But when you're birding, it's a little bit different because you've got to tune into a particular kind of motion you're looking for in the trees or particular sounds that are going to tell you where the birds are.
And then you've got to learn to, you know, tease out the chipmunks.
No, that's not a bird.
That's squeaky thing.
Ignore it. Listen for the birds.
And as your brain is forced to do this and be on high alert if you want to actually see the birds, then you're outside of your own little head and your own little world and all those annoying problems that are festering.
Like, oh, my God, I've got to pick up groceries today and it's so expensive.
I don't know if I'll be able to afford everything.
And my paycheck hasn't come through.
And oh, my God, I'm gay and I'm in the closet and my parents don't know.
And I just had this fight with my girlfriend and good Lord, what is that about?
Gone. Because you can't.
If you're going to find the birds, you've got to be paying attention to the world around you.
So for a little while, at least whatever those woes are, they just fall away.
And instead you're interacting with the wild world and learning a little bit how we are a part of that wild world.
And that's, I think, incredibly healing.
That was Christian Cooper.
To wrap up today's show, we're going to give the final word to science writer Mary Ellen Hannibal from the episode How Engaging With the Natural World Benefits You and Science.
Mary Ellen gave me a very unique answer to a question that I ask all of our guests in her episode.
So what is one idea or book or movie or piece of music or anything?
What's one thing that has made you a better human?
So that's kind of a big question.
Thank you for asking it.
Fire has made me a better human.
Fire and understanding how to live with it here in California, that we can live with it, has helped me move beyond a total fear, frozen dread.
Get me out of your feeling to, oh, this is a natural, fundamental part of biology, fire, and we can live with it, and we need to honor it.
Fire is helping me become a person who is more resilient to the challenges we are all facing.
That is it for this episode of How to Be a Better Human.
You heard clips from Alexis Nicole Nelson, Jill Heinearth, Christian Cooper, and Mary Ellen Hannibal.
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