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This is But Why, a podcast for curious kids from Vermont Public.
I'm Jane Lindholm. On this show, we take questions from kids just like you and we find answers.
And while your questions sometimes sound simple, the answers are often really complex, like this one.
I'm Leo. I live in Cincinnati, Ohio.
I'm almost five. Why did people wait in base of species to other countries?
Why do people bring invasive species to other countries?
There are so many different ways to tackle that question, Leo.
First we need to know what it means to be an invasive species.
Then we need to think about how invasive species get from one place to another.
Sometimes people move plants or animals on purpose and sometimes they don't even know they've picked up a hitchhiking snail or insect or algae.
And then we can talk about what to do about invasive species once they start crowding out or hurting the plants and animals that are already established in a place.
And it turns out you might have a role to play in preventing the spread of plants or animals that aren't really supposed to be in your neighborhood.
Because once something has a strong presence in a new place, it can be really hard to get rid of.
That's the case in Florida where we're going to start today.
There are very large type of snake originally from very far away in Asia has exploded in population over the last few decades.
Today we are actually in an area of Everglades National Park known as Shark Valley.
This is a very popular area for bicyclists and hikers because there is a paved 15 mile loop that allows people to explore the heart of the Everglades.
Everglades National Park covers almost 2,500 square miles in southern Florida and is known for having some really wonderful wildlife including alligators and crocodiles, beautiful big birds and plants like cypress trees and flowering orchids.
But the ecosystem is also threatened by invasive species.
I paid a visit to a park ranger at the Shark Valley Visitor Center recently to learn a little bit about the threats from relatively new plants and animals that don't belong in the park.
My name is Ivetkanu and my official title is Director of Education at Everglades National Park.
We could talk to you about a million different things here at Everglades National Park.
But one of the things that we're discussing lately and that kids have been wondering about are things called invasive species.
And I know you have some here in South Florida and maybe here in the park too that can cause problems and they can be plants or animals.
So what makes something an invasive species?
So there are native species and non-native species.
A native species of a plant or an animal living thing is something that has made it naturally to an area to grow or live and reproduce, have young.
A non-native species is described as something that is moved by people to an area.
So for the sake of an example, I would say that we go to our favorite place in the world and we love a plant and we pick up the seed and we bring the seed back home and we plant that seed at home and we plant it in our backyard.
That is now a non-native species.
In contrast, if a seed makes it to South Florida in the winds of a hurricane, that is a natural process.
That species is considered a native species.
So that is just to give you an example.
Now when you are looking at the behavior of being invasive, most non-native species that become a problem is because they have that invasive ability.
They out-compete our native species.
Now don't misunderstand me, there are some native species that have a little bit of an invasive attitude and that is okay too.
And they are propelled sometimes by nutrients, extra nutrients in the water and things like that.
But when we are looking at non-native invasive species, like I mentioned, they out-compete our native species.
So one of the poster child of non-native species that has been on the news and has been all over the papers now for an extended period of time is of course the Burmese python.
I actually have a skin here for you.
And as you look at the skin, you can see that it has a beautiful brown and tan pattern and really allows this snake to blend into this environment just beautifully.
Park Ranger Yvette had been holding a rolled up snake skin.
And when she tried to unroll it, it was so long she couldn't even unravel the whole thing when her arms were completely stretched out.
So these snakes are big but they are also a very big problem.
This is probably about a 13 foot Burmese python.
That's really large for our snakes here in South Florida.
Our native snakes don't get this big.
So when you see a snake this big in Florida, it's definitely a non-native.
Now the Burmese python came because of course people wanted it as a pet.
And our ecosystems here in South Florida are conducive.
This warm environment, even during our winters, it's still pretty warm.
So if you're a reptile and even an amphibian, you like this kind of weather, right?
So you got plenty of water, plenty of food and the warmth that you need for that cold-blooded body.
So these pythons actually start really small.
This one's 13 feet but when they're baby, they're hardly a foot long.
And just like all reptiles, they will grow to the size of what they consume.
Now the Everglades was set aside for its biological diversity for life.
Now we have plenty of food for these pythons to eat, unfortunately.
So they have really wrecked havoc, especially on our small mammal population.
We started to see a decline in small mammals, things such as rabbits and raccoons, for example, which may not seem as a big deal because rabbits and raccoons exist pretty much all over the world.
But when you start to create an unbalanced system as a result of an introduction, of a non-native invasive species, it becomes very challenging because the animals who were relying on the rabbits and raccoons now no longer have that as a food source.
Or for example, rabbits eat vegetation and dispersites.
That's also a very important role that they play in our ecosystem.
But now there isn't that dispersal or that population of rabbits.
Forty or fifty years ago, there were no burmese pythons in Florida except a few kept in captivity.
But today there are maybe as many as 300,000 of them living in the Everglades.
And all probably because people were keeping these snakes as pets and then letting them go.
No one released their snakes on purpose to do damage to other native animals.
They maybe just couldn't take care of them anymore and didn't want to kill them or have to admit that they couldn't handle them.
So they let them go. Lots of people probably thought they were doing the right thing.
But now these snakes are doing a lot of damage and they're really hard to get rid of.
So in some cases, people are licensed to hunt and kill burmese pythons.
That is correct. They are impacting our ecosystem.
They are very, very difficult to find so we have licensed individuals who know how to identify the snakes because here in South Florida, we have over 30 species of native snakes.
We want the individuals catching the pythons to know exactly what they're catching that they're not catching our native snakes.
They're indeed catching pythons.
And those organized efforts help.
But unfortunately there are a lot of snakes in the Everglades.
And the Everglades is really difficult to get across.
We are mostly wet, whether it's fresh water, brackish water, or salt water.
It's not like we can walk across the lawn, for example, looking for a snake.
And these pythons do an excellent job of utilizing the ecosystem for their advantage.
And you can see in this one that I have in particular how beautiful these patterns are, how they blend right into the ecosystem.
They will go right underneath the water and disappear from plain sight, knowing that they're right at our feet.
So there are efforts, but unfortunately this is one invasive species that is going to be a part of the Everglades.
And we are going to continue to educate about it and get rid of them as much as we can from the landscape.
And like you mentioned, we do unfortunately have to euthanize them.
We can't ship them back to where they're originally from because that, of course, starts other problems.
But with new invaders, we really put a lot of effort into understanding them.
And that's where the science comes in, right?
What are their behaviors?
And attacking them before they become a larger problem, right?
Looking at where those concentrated populations might be and making sure that we're getting rid of them very, very early on, not allowing them to become more of a problem into the ecosystem.
What are some of the other invasive species here in the Everglades?
So we have a number of plant species.
Many times we actually talk about animals because they have a face, right?
But we have more plant species than we do animal species invaders, things like Brazilian Pepper, Australian Pine, Malaluca, all three of those plants are within the top five of our top invaders of a plant in the Everglades that we manage for.
So we'll burn. We will apply herbicide to them to be able to manage for those plants.
It's also a lot of money and it's not possible to spend the money to do that in every place where there are invasive species.
That is correct, whether it's a plant or an animal, removing invasive species is extremely costly.
It is very, very difficult starting from the science of understanding what we're up against, whether it's a plant or an animal and how that plant or animal will respond to what we think might work and what will work here in Everglades National Park might not work in other places around the world because of the different situations, right?
We don't have snow, for example.
You're in a place you might have snow, you're still going to have invasive species or you might have terrestrial animals that don't do well in water.
Well, Everglades might not be their place, right?
This might be a place for them to be an invasive species.
So those kinds of things also dictate how we manage for invasive species, very, very costly indeed.
You brought up an interesting point about some of the plants, which is that in some cases, invasive species have been brought here or brought to wherever they are living on purpose.
Not to be invasive, people didn't try to do something bad, but in a lot of cases, invasive species are brought here for farming or as pets or a lot of plants are landscape plants that somebody thinks, well, this would look really pretty in my front yard.
I'm going to plant this here and then it gets away from them.
Or you mentioned some animals have been brought over as pets and then they're released by people who realize, oh, I don't have the ability to take care of this animal.
What are some other ways invasive species get into an environment?
So accidentally, so here in South Florida, for example, we have two really big ports and a frog.
For example, might jump on a boat or might be in a shipment of plants that are being moved from one area to another and then they happen upon South Florida and they say, hey, in their own frog language, this place is pretty comfortable and they decide to call it home.
And sometimes, for example, if we're using the frog and they're being brought in these shipments of plants, those frogs might be laying eggs in the plants so that we believe was the case for the Cuban tree frog as well as the iguanas.
So some of that is still debatable because they have been here on the landscape for so many years back when we really weren't keeping records of how things were moving, but we believe that both of those species came as a result of our ports through jumping on ships.
To be clear, the word invasive is a pretty negative word and it might sound like the invaders are doing something mean or bad or wrong.
They're definitely not, they're just doing what they naturally do.
It's just that the other plants and animals around them evolved to compete with each other and then this new species comes in and it's able to sort of take over partly because none of its natural predators or competitors are around in this new place.
Plants and animals are not at fault.
It's not their fault that they're here and that they're being called an invasive.
They did not raise their hand and say, pick me, move me, right?
We have made those decisions.
The word invasive really describes the fact that they are competing.
Whether it's a native or non-native, they are competing and out competing an area.
They are growing way too fast or having too many babies and there's no competition, right?
So in nature, there's those ebbs and flows.
And something is, can cause competition, there's something like a predator that might eat it, right?
And they're keeping things in balance.
When you have a non-native invasive species, the natural environment doesn't know how to respond to it.
So let's take, again, the Python as an example.
Our deer, white tail deer that exist in all North America, they know how to respond to things like Panther, right?
We have a Florida Panther.
They see that as, ooh, that cat might eat me, right?
I should probably run. But when they see a snake, a snake has never posed a threat to a deer.
However, this large snake, especially as large as the one that I have here, the skin of the one that I have here, could eat a full grown deer.
So a deer doesn't necessarily run away or respond as we would think a human would.
For example, if we see a 13-foot snake, right, we're running, right?
We're not interested in hanging out, but a deer doesn't see it as a threat.
So they don't necessarily understand because it is not part of our native ecosystem.
And that's also the difference between an invasive species and a non-native, but non-invasive species is they've either not doing so well or they've reached a kind of equilibrium, a sense of balance with the native ecosystem and they're not causing a problem, they're not out competing, but maybe they do live here now.
So that's still non-native, but we wouldn't consider that an invasive species, right?
That is correct. So if you have a non-native, for example, we have a number of palm trees that they've been brought from all over the world, and they do well here, but they don't have a whole lot of seeds and they take some a very long time to grow.
Well, they're not causing competition for a native species, so yes, spot on.
Okay, so Ranger Vett, here I am in South Florida and there's some beautiful plants here, and I think, hmm, they would look really pretty where I live.
I'm getting the sense from what you're saying that I shouldn't put one of the seeds of one of the plants that I really like in my pocket and try to plant it at home, even if it's just me, just one home, just one plant.
That's 100% correct. So I think the plants where they belong, leave them in their home, right?
Here in South Florida, we don't have snow, and I know in Vermont, there's quite a bit of snow.
Luckily, the plants here probably won't do so well over there, but on the chance that it might go ahead and leave those seeds where they belong.
If that plant is intended to be one day in Vermont, mother nature will make its way there, and it too will be part of your native plant community.
So don't take the seeds, just travel and admire the plants in their home lands.
Coming up, we learn about a small insect that's causing big problems.
This is But Why, a podcast for curious kids.
I'm Jane Lindholm, and we're learning about invasive species today.
We were talking earlier with Yvette Kano about Burmese pythons and some of the other animals and plants doing damage in the Everglades National Park.
In a different part of the United States, something much smaller is getting people concerned.
Hi, but why my name is Juliet.
I live in Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, I'm five years old, and I want to know why the government said to kill as many spotted winternflies as you see.
In much of the Eastern United States, spotted lanternflies have started appearing, and in states where they haven't taken hold, people are encouraged to kill them if they find them.
Brian Walsh knows all about these insects.
He's done research on them for Penn State University, so we asked him to help answer Juliet's question.
First of all, their name is pretty cool, but do they look like lanterns with spots?
They kind of look a little bit like a cross between a grasshopper and a moth when they're flying, and they have hind wings that are bright red that everybody recognizes.
They're kind of cool, but when their wings are closed, they're really sometimes tough to see because they have a gray outer wing, a four wing, and with little black and gray patterns and spots on it, and that really help it blend into tree bark and things like that really well.
But when they open up those wings, their bright red hind wings show, and then you can see them really easy.
There's not a whole lot that looks like it in our environment.
They're native in Asia and parts of China and Vietnam and I think Indonesia as well.
They don't belong in our hemisphere at all.
They don't belong on the side of the world, but we accidentally moved them here when some material was being moved.
They lay their eggs on maybe some pallets or the material that was being moved, and the eggs got here and then hatched and started a whole population here.
Remember how Ranger Yvette told us that sometimes species travel to a new place because they're tucked in with some vegetables or they might be on the side of a big ship that's bringing goods to a new port?
Well, it's the same thing with spotted lanternflies.
They were first found in the United States in Pennsylvania in 2014, and immediately people who work in agriculture and scientists who study insects were worried because these flies had already caused problems in other places where they had shown up uninvited.
When they got to South Korea where they didn't belong either, they quickly became a problem and that's where they realized in South Korea that they attack a lot of native plants and can do some damage especially to the grape industry.
It's grapes that they really go after and can kill and that's a problem.
They can reduce the yields and harvest and they can kill the grape vines.
That's where we're most concerned with our farming and agriculture, but they will attack just about any other plant that's out there trying to meal with it up from it with the exception of conifers like pine trees and spruce trees.
They don't like the conifers, but pretty much any deciduous tree that'll feed on including all the way down to vegetables in the garden, things like that.
We're less likely to cause a lot of problems for those, but it's the grapes that we're most concerned about.
Back to Juliet's question, researchers wanted to make sure spotted lantern flies don't take hold in the United States or don't continue to spread at least.
But why are officials telling people to just go ahead and kill them?
So that's a great, great question Juliet.
The reason that we want to kill lantern flies is because they don't belong here.
And while we don't like to encourage killing things that are nature, we don't like to kill animals for no reason, even insects.
Insects can teach us all kinds of things and insects and spiders.
It can be really good for us.
Spotted lantern flies are not.
They don't belong in our environment.
We brought them here accidentally, humans did.
And so because they're here, we wind up having to do other things to try and control the spotted lantern flies to keep them from destroying our crops that we need to feed ourselves.
And because of that, we want to encourage people to kill them when they can.
And also the other thing is if you kill them, then it's less likely to get accidentally moved to somewhere else.
And because she's in Pennsylvania, there's a good chance she's already seen them.
And there are a lot of parts of our country that have not seen them and don't have them yet.
And they are really good at hitchhiking either they'll lay their eggs on different things that we move or they'll even just hop into a car or on the train.
And so we want to keep them from accidentally being spread further away and into other parts of our country where they aren't yet.
And so they can't spread if we kill them.
That's the important thing.
And the other thing I would say is if you're in an area where they don't have lantern flies yet and you see one, make sure you report it.
You're good to your local county ag agency or your extension office, but let somebody know if you're somewhere else where it hasn't been found yet, make sure if you see one or your parents see one, make sure that they report it.
And then people can start taking a look at maybe getting it under control in that new area.
There are also traps or pesticides that can be used to kill them and researches underway by Brian and others to find new ways to control these insects without needing to squash them.
Still, it probably does feel weird to be told to kill these bugs when you've been told before not to kill other insects or types of animals.
The important thing to remember is most bugs don't do a sending harm at all.
Most of the bugs that are out there are just kind of doing their thing or they actually help us in a lot of ways.
And this bug unfortunately doesn't.
It feeds on our plants that other bugs or other animals might need to use to make their living.
And so because of that, we worry about this with invasive species that they displace our native species.
And so that's why it's okay to kill this one.
It doesn't belong here and we didn't bring it here on purpose.
And because it's here and it's kind of getting out of control, we need to do what we can to try and stop it.
Just make sure you know what spotted lanternflies look like before you start stomping bugs at recess.
Please do your research before taking any action.
We've learned a lot about invasive species today and it's a really complicated topic, one that can bring up strong feelings.
There are things though that you can do to be part of the solution.
The first is never intentionally spread invasive species.
So if you're riding in a boat, be careful to make sure that that boat gets cleaned off before it goes from one waterway to another.
And also you can make sure you're buying native plants at garden centers.
You can also be careful about which animals you buy as pets.
Do a lot of research before bringing an animal into your home.
Some cute baby animals get really big like the Burmese python.
Are you going to be ready to feed and care for a snake that's 13 feet long and can eat a whole deer?
And some animals live for a very long time.
Are you prepared to keep your pet turtle for 30 or maybe 50 years?
If you do find yourself with a pet you can no longer care for, never release it into the wild.
Even if you think it's just a cute little frog and no one will notice.
Surrender it to an animal care center.
Or check in with your area's Fish and Wildlife Agency to get advice for what to do.
Everglades Ranger Yvette Kano also says learning about the world around you can be a good first step in thinking about how to protect your local ecosystem.
Educating yourself, right, going to wherever home is, finding these natural areas, finding the why.
Why is this place special?
What makes it tick? Why am I connected to this place, right?
Is it the history? Is it, for example, like Everglades National Park that we're connected to the water, right?
The water goes into the Biscayne Aquifer and we drink that water and everything is a sensitive balance in this biological diverse park.
So finding the why. When you find the why, that fuels your passion and your desire to care and educate others.
And when I talk about education, I don't want you to think that you need to be some old person like in your 20s, becoming a teacher.
Because for some of you, I know it's a long, long time from now.
You can be a teacher right now.
In your three or five or ten, we all can be teachers and the way we do that is by educating ourselves, getting the information right, making sure we know what we're talking about and then empowering others.
That's pretty good advice for all kinds of things.
Explore what's around you, figure out what makes you passionate and then learn all about it so you can share your knowledge with other people.
That's it for this episode.
Thanks to Yvette Kano, Everglades National Park and Brian Walsh for taking the time to talk invasives with us.
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