You talk about performance without a purpose.
What's that so like?
For instance, let's say you have no races.
Let's say you have no classes.
No, nothing.
You have.
There's no purpose in your life.
You know people need to have purpose to get up.
They need purpose to perform.
You need to get to a point in your life where there's nothing on the docket, there is no 5k, there's no, There's no.
I'm going to get into school to be this or that and still perform to the highest level.
Because what people don't get is one day that thing's going to come up.
And if you're not constantly performing without purpose, you're not going to be ready when the time comes.
It's this magical thing, purpose, that we're all looking for.
But what's funny about it all is that we need these things to perform.
But we don't take a second to realize the purpose is always there.
The purpose never leaves us because the very purpose is you.
You are always the purpose.
There may be another purpose, like being a SEAL or going to college or whatever, but the main purpose in life is you.
So if you wake up in the morning and you don't want to do something, you don't care enough about yourself.
And that's what you need to really research is, man, why am I not doing this for myself?
Because that is, that is the number one purpose in life is to better oneself.
So that's the only purpose I fucking need.
So the reason I get up every day, even though there's no races, there's no school, there's nothing in front of me, is because I have pride in myself.
But where do you go to?
You wake up on a morning it's cold, it's wet, it's dark.
You've got no cartilage in your knee, you've got shitty shorts, whatever it is.
That's the issue today.
Keep talking.
You've got these problems, right?
I need you to keep talking about what you were just saying.
It's warm on the couch.
Your missus says stay in bed.
It's comfy, it's cozy, you've got work.
Later on you had an argument last night.
You're slightly hungover.
God, I know every motherfucker ain't gonna do what i'm gonna do, so this is how you level up.
That's how you level up.
I know there's a whole bunch of people with that right there.
That fires me up, that makes me happy.
What you just said, that brings joy to my life right there.
Why?
Because i know there's so many people that have the ability and just refuse to get off that couch, refused to study a few more hours, refused to go deeper, to go further.
And that's where I gained the advantage.
It's so easy to be great nowadays, my friend, because most people are weak.
Most people don't want to go to that extra mile.
Most people don't want to find that extra because it sucks.
It's miserable.
It's lonely.
You talk about that you were kind of lonely by yourself.
I was the same way.
And that used to hurt me growing up.
Now I fucking thrive in that shit.
That's the only place to be.
Well, that was one of the things that is so surprising about growing up through difficulty.
So loneliness is one example, right?
Growing up as a lonely kid.
What you realize is a lot of the things that you feared or hated or were embarrassed about as a child end up being the genesis of the things that you're most proud about as an adult.
So the fact that you can work and thrive in solitude gives you the opportunity to be able to move to America and start a podcast, or decide to do Hell Week three times in a row, or it doesn't matter how long or dark the course is, you're just going to stay.
The fact that you were forced to be vigilant and to assess people, to work out what's going on.
When you became an adult, allows you to detect the vibe and the energy of whoever it is that you're speaking with and know that this person's someone that I want to hang with and this person's somebody that I don't.
All of the things...
In fact, I would go as far as to say there's not one thing in my life that I see as a pure advantage, that doesn't have a dark side to it, that came about at some other point as well.
Right.
So one of the reasons that I spent so much time as a kid in my bedroom listening to audio tapes because I didn't have anyone to play with, right.
Only child, a little bit sort of unpopular.
So I'd be in my bedroom listening to audio tapes and we'd go to the library every two weeks and we'd take the tapes back and we'd get new tapes and I'd bring them and listen to them again.
But you roll the clock forward 20 years and what's the 2023 version of an audio tape?
It's a podcast.
It's a podcast.
That's right.
A lot of the things that you love and value in yourself in adulthood are the light side of something that you were ashamed fearful, disgusted by when you were younger.
Yeah.
I mean, I think that comes from overcoming.
A lot of people, you know, wonder, how did you become this?
How do you become so vulnerable?
How are you doing a podcast now when you were this kid?
You overcame things.
You fought them.
And now this is what happens.
This is on the other side of overcoming.
You become very, very powerful when you overcome yourself.
All those things you once cowered from, you were afraid of.
When you face them eye to eye every day, you now become a person who has a great podcast.
Let's say that there's someone listening who resonates with what you're talking about.
You know they've been through trauma, they've been through hard times, but they keep breaking promises to themselves and they're struggling to get off the couch and they're having a pity party.
How can they stop feeling sorry for themselves?
That's a difficult one because you have to want it.
You have to want to be better.
And it starts off with you have to have pride in yourself, you.
You have to have pride in yourself.
You have to have there's something about you, whether it's your last name, whether it's just the smallest thing.
You have to be proud of yourself.
If you have no pride in yourself, i can't give it to you, because you're always going to compromise, you're always going to fold, always.
I'm very proud of myself.
That's why, when people said you know Roger, that we'll fucking see.
It's that pride that wakes you up.
Now I'm not talking about bad pride.
The attention to detail for the human being I want to do.
I call this thing, I want to be the standard.
I want to be that guy.
Every place I went in the military, there was this ethos about how this place is, how we're going to live, how we're going to represent ourselves.
And I walked around and I saw that most people didn't live up to that ethos.
Like, if you go to whatever, whatever company, they had this mission statement on how we want to run our company.
I made one for myself on how I want to be.
And that is why, if people can make up a mission statement, an ethos in which they want to live by, And every morning you wake up, you hold yourself accountable to that mission.
That accompanies your own.
Make up your own mission statement.
What do you want to be in life?
And once you do that, now you can work with somebody to get better.
You can work with yourself to get better.
But until you know what you want to stand for, you will always just be sitting down.
You'll never stand for anything.
What's that quote?
If you don't stand for something, you'll fall for everything.
That's it.
It's a true statement.
In the book, you talk about Roger That, there being two types of Roger That.
I absolutely adore the second type.
Received orders given, expect results.
That's it.
So cool.
Above and beyond, more than was expected to the letter.
That's Roger that.
That is for me what Roger that means.
Received orders given.
Yep.
Expect results.
Expect results.
That's right.
So fucking dope.
That is it.
That is it.
And when you hear that from somebody who gets it, you know it because you can look in their eyes.
You feel that energy, man.
It connects immediately.
They're out here to get a job done.
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