FUMES, Cipher Zero, The itch.io/Steam Payment Processor Debacle｜Noclip Crewcast

hey folks danny here uh just a quick little psa uh this week we got into some chat about the itch .io steam payment processing uh for uh and uh our conversation we had a sort of a long enough conversation about it and obviously due to the nature of the games that we are talking about we are using language and talking about issues that might uh you know be triggering for people people um and just like in general it's it's some you know difficult stuff to talk about a little bit so you'll know that section when it comes up if you're watching on youtube there'll be a chapter marker jesse also always

does awesome work with that and in the description of the podcast every week we have chapter markers as well maybe you don't realize this but we actually have chapter markers for each um uh section and each game we talk about in the uh like audio description thing on on whatever podcast app you use so if you want you can skip it um yeah it was a big chat about the whole thing um and it was uh we think it's an important thing to talk about an important thing to sort of roll around and discuss and look at from from as many angles as we can um so we obviously want to talk about this stuff but just

wanted to mention top of the show if you don't want to be hearing stuff about um predominantly these games are about issues of uh sexual assault salt let's say if you don't want to hear about any of that skip the section and um we'll get back to talking about uh video games other video games lots of video games this week all right i'm gonna shut up now and enjoy the show oh and also battle pass holders i messed up i forgot you guys at the top so we did a special shout out at the end of the podcast i'm sorry i'm sorry i'm sorry enjoy the show Hello, amigos, and welcome to Noclip.

We're here. It's no clip.

It's the podcast. Amigos, 238.

Who here can say 238 in Espanol?

Oh, no. Dos, dos, hundred, tres, cuatro y dos.

Jesus. Okay, Jeremy.

Jeremy, the gold's open.

Okay. The two of them kicked it wide.

On a bad start here.

238. Don't you dare go to Google.

Excuse me, I see you typing.

thing no no i'm looking at the i'm looking at my desk deep in thought i would say i don't speak spanish dos dos jandros i don't fucking know frank i think frank takes it amazing well there you go we've lost all of our spanish language listeners now once again oh wait frank's thinking something no i had a v i have a i had a rudos approach to it in luchador there's the technicos and the rudos the rudos is going to get to his goal no matter what even if he has to play dirty so i at least made an attempt the referee may not have proved it but i feel like i got close i feel like i have earned the respect

he's appealing to the umpires here for for um well frank you win you are now the host of the noclip podcast it's a crew cast frank howley um uh what do you want to talk about this week guys the stardom five star gp tournament has started uh i was very upset because starlight kid lost in the opening tournament oh no um a lot of neogenesis there's been big upsets azumi lost her match uh hate is winning they're they're hate is winning there's a faction the nwo of stardom is called hate it is uh it's all the heels subtle that's all the heels yeah it's yeah it's all it's all the heels that come out

they're the joshi goss they're all like black lipstick black costuming everything and they cheat every single match and no one's putting a stop to it and it's upsetting but uh not until they make a new faction called love then they'll do it and there's There's factions closer.

There's the Cosmic Angels, there's Neo Genesis, there's God's Eye.

There's all different factions.

But I will be there.

Wait, there's Gaza?

No, God's Eye. God's Eye, not Gaza.

Jesus. But I'll be there in two and a half weeks to scream as they get to the finish line.

We'll see what happens.

Frank, I can see you running into the ring as if this is a real life or death situation.

Be like, someone has to stop this.

Someone needs to put a stop to this.

It's real to me, damn it.

It really is getting intense because for the big tournament, they always have like outsiders come in like the freelancers and there was a wrestler who came in her name is sorry and uh sorry yeah s -a -r -e oh sorry okay three three e's it's like this whole thing has been set up like the doctor from arrested development it's just like i'm constantly thinking the names are something else sorry go on um she did a promo like she talked about like in like the the sports columns whatever she did a promo and like talked so much shit on stardom that now people who are normally booing hate like the heel faction of stardom

they're now booing the outsider and are cheering the heel faction because she gave a promo it's like you guys aren't real wrestlers you're all just like doing idol stuff you're pretending to be heels but like you're all soft like you guys suck i'm gonna win and like she generally pissed off all the stardom fans she went full cm punk on this it really was yeah she like bursted the idol bubble it's like this is all idol crap like you guys aren't treating this like real wrestling i'm gonna in like amazing So, the first pair of you happened and people were booing and screaming and now it's like, oh,

this is so exciting.

But that's what I'm jazzed about.

Oh, we've hit our stardom level for the year.

Wow. I thought that was the Digimon alarm.

It sounds like an alarm for all of them.

He's got an alarm for everyone's joy just to make sure we cut it off.

Yeah, Jeremy's one is on psilocybin.

That was Diddy Kong Racing.

Yeah, there you go.

The other day I was taking LSD and playing Diddy Kong Racing.

What's mine then? Fuck.

I don't know. know most things yeah if you start talking about sensible soccer again i'm gonna fly into your room yeah monkey island yeah yeah yeah half -life family keep going beer keep going exactly oh my god all right i'll try to talk about none of those today on our podcast which should be pretty easy because we have lots of games to talk about we're going to talk about um we're going to talk about the itch and steam payment processing fiasco uh a little bit after we've talked about some games uh there's a bunch of stuff though we want to talk about and roger cypher zero fumes mavericks without

a dawn and frank's been checking out some animana gucci in real life and comic -con was just on um and uh i got a switch too as well so there's a there's a bunch of um stuff to talk about uh let's start with maybe some quick hits hits jesse sure um there's two games we want to talk about or the game each we want to talk about but both are sort of games that you cannot over talk about by the very nature of them yeah why don't you go first uh this game is called i feel like i need to like take a pause before i say the name of the game the game is called and roger and it's a lowercase a on the and so it's

it makes every like headline article featuring the name of the game very confusing to read yeah it makes roger sound like a euphemism like you should play and roger what does that what do you want roger oh no you know what rogering means i don't wanna i know some english people they'll tell you what rogering means oh no yeah all right all right jesse before you get rogered here live on the the oh no on the on the podcast uh what is and roger and roger is a um like a visual storytelling thing it's weird it's it's a bit like florence um the the mobile game about uh a couple but this one the way

that it's described on steam i want to make sure i stick very true to this because it's important that you go into it thinking it's what it is um okay i imagine there are interesting conversations you could have about what's going on here so uh the description on steam is it was a mourning like all others until she realized her dad wasn't home in a place a stranger who speaks nonsense and insists she quote takes her medicine who is he where is dad in his place yes um so sorry in his place like someone has replaced her father um and she's not sure who it is there was a demo for it that i don't

think is available anymore now that the game is out it's fairly short it's the first game i've ever played that by the way that opens up with a disclaimer telling you to not upload a full recording of the game which was very strange it makes sense because because it's like an hour long.

But I was not expecting to see that.

You can if you do commentary on it, but you can't upload a blank playthrough of it.

But anyway, the game, as it's presented, is it's like this storybook that you play through by interacting with buttons on the screen.

You're controlling sort of this little girl in her apartment, trying to figure out what's going on and escape this strange man who's in her apartment.

The storytelling and visuals are done sort of abstractly.

It's not super detailed.

It's not done like a point and click.

You see sometimes first person perspective, sometimes things like the pink elephant scene from Dumbo, like things get a little abstract and weird and it goes very interesting places.

I think the way that it's set up, you could argue, is perhaps a disingenuous way of selling a video game, depending on where the story ends up going.

But I think all in all, I was blown away by this game.

Like I think the storytelling here visually, I think the writing is a little weak.

It's translated. I don't know how good it is in Japanese.

Um, but the, the text isn't amazing.

There are some bits that are really good, but the visual storytelling is phenomenal.

And the way that it ties the gameplay and the interaction systems into its narrative is I was, I was like straight up ready to cry multiple times playing this game.

It's, it's beautiful.

It sounds like it's tragic and horrific and it is, but not for the reasons that you think it is.

It's like, if you love this kind of stuff, if you like, if you want to get sad, make sure you're in a good place before you play this.

It's like four bucks, five bucks on steam, right?

i think it's on sale for 20 off tragedy core yes exactly called yeah that's a good way of feelings yeah check it out it's great yeah similarly i mean i will say so that was and roger um and obviously jesse will have links to these in the in the description of the of the video and the audio version of this um kind of similarly the game i want to talk about without a dawn uh Sounds like it's structurally and gameplay -wise and length -wise similar.

Tonally perhaps as well.

This took me 30 minutes to complete.

It's on Steam. It's $8.

It's made by Jesse Mackinen.

And the reason I saw it was that Jesse posted on Steam, or sorry, Blue Sky, that the game had been out for a while and hadn't gotten picked up by press and yada, yada, yada.

and i can totally sort of see why um not to yada yada yada to dismisses but you know what i mean it's one of these like oh my game didn't you know i poured everything into this um it was sort of like an uncompromising vision and unfortunately socket and picked up um uh so i decided to give it a look and uh was struck by the art style immediately which uses sort of like in it's it's kind of like the ascii um like uh not like the matrix screens but like ascii dither or whatever you'd call it where it's like there are characters that are making an impression of an image um on the screen and they're

sort of like moving all the time the images themselves are very uh evocative and interesting um and like i said it's only 30 minutes long you are there are elements of interaction in it that are interesting but light and ultimately the story kind of goes its way anyway um and uh there is a trigger warning at the top which is well earned um i think given some of the the themes that it covers and i don't want to get into it too much same as jesse it's one of these ones that's really difficult to sort of talk about without uh spoiling where it goes especially but um just in terms of like i would say

you know stuff like uh initially it's very very much in the realm.

It made me feel uncomfortable in relation to some like OCD and intrusive thought tendencies that I've had in my life.

Um, it was very much about kind of that and trying, you know, trying to sleep when you're concerned about what might be outside the window and that type of stuff.

So super evocative.

Um, I think it really sticks the landing.

I found the, the, the ending of it, like, like the last line really effective.

Um, and I really enjoyed it so uh yeah without a dawn it's um eight bucks on steam i think it might have been a little bit off during the summer sale but you know it's uh the price of a coffee at starbucks or whatever and uh it's a very interesting 30 minutes experience definitely i'm really really glad i played it it was very cool nice yeah the visuals of it um i think it's cool because it's not just ascii in that it's like rendering everything perfectly translating into numbers it's like constantly changing numbers and there are other filters in the game that you can switch to but all of them

maintain that rule of constantly moving and changing and shifting it's like emulating the static and like uh noise and grain that you used to have on old vhs tapes in the way that like darkness became scary because there was always sort of an image it sort of feeds into that bit of the narrative of like everything's creepy what's going on over there is that something thing is it nothing i think it's cool that it doesn't just apply to the shadows it's like actually i think the shadows are the only thing that don't have that it's like your skin is scary like your own face is scary it's very yeah

so it's a cool way of doing the presentation i think especially it looks great yeah it's hard it's kind of hard to communicate it isn't it because it's like yeah it's you know when you say ascii you think oh is it like weird little ascii man but it's like no it's like the imagery yeah exactly but the imagery is like photographic and artistic and in in in that sort of way um yeah sound design is great music and sound design sounds great as well very uh kind of needs to be in a game like this i i'm very curious what the uh what the art from this game looks like without the sort of pseudo asking

filter over it because the i i've the art was my favorite part about this game i was curious just like yeah i i wonder how sort of like photorealistic it is because it it conveys like um it creates like the illusion of photorealism because your brain is just seeing this wall of like undulating texture and you're like i don't know like it looks like you're looking at photographs through like the most insane ascii shader yeah it's it's like uh and it's a lot of it's about like perception and dreams and stuff and so it has that you know it has that thing of like you know you're in a dream and you

can't look behind you you know you close your eyes and it's dark you know it's like that type of thing um yeah so that's without a dawn and and roger i should say and roger first and roger and without a dawn are those uh those two games and i'm gonna go through a couple of my games because i've played a bunch of stuff this this uh this past week probably the one that most people will be interested in is fumes um fumes came out just this week on steam it is an early access game it is have you played this at all jesse i know you had it on your wish list i played the demo for it a couple months back

but yeah not this new version yeah so it's i didn't play the demo so i don't know how much more evolved it is from that but the basic premise of this game is that is it is a sort of an arcadey mad max game so essentially you are driving a car um i think they do the driver san francisco you are a spirit that moves into a car thing which i thought was quite funny um but essentially it's an open world like it's it's is it a rogue like no but it's like a progression open world progression game you are uh you are driving this car around you can attack other cars when you attack those cars sometimes

they dropped cargo oftentimes they drop parts and things like that um the basic loop of the game is that you are um attacking these things or going to special areas where they spawn a bunch of other cars and you were having sort of mad max style fights with them you have a gun turret on your car you're shooting them and driving around um so it's sort of like a mixture of like you know there's no crashing into the cars for of destruction but it kind of feels ps1 destruction derby because of the graphics and although the cars are really like bouncy and fun to throw around um they're like super heavy

but bouncy so you get this really fun like uh ability to like you know you're sort of throwing the car around turns and you would probably flip usually but it's it's not it's sticking to the ground and you're moving the camera around and shooting some fucker over there and then shooting this one and shooting this one um and you're basically trying to keep your health up and not get hurt and then uh defeat a few waves usually of these baddies once you do that there is a sort of a uh mobile uh mechanic for want of a better term it's a big truck that's driving around that you drive up to and i like

the way this works is that if you want to like drop off cargo or make the truck stop you have to hit the horn twice just go beep beep and then it stops for you and or if you're like dropping something off you have to hold the horn down and it knows that you're dropping off cargo um which i think is quite cool and you literally drive your car into the back of this truck and then from there you can upgrade your car and stuff like that and then there are these um elemental like magical things that are just in the world and you can give them cargo and then eventually they will like you enough to help

you in fights if that makes any sense it's very weird that's cool um and i guess what this is all building up to is that they do sort of a dark souls uh demon souls intro of you fight off a couple of these baddies and then you are given a fight against this massive like huge you know city on wheels that is fighting you um that you know i'm sure somebody somewhere has maybe managed to defeat it but you know it kills you at the start of the game and so what it's doing is building you up to you know there are also these like really big machines or there was like a there was a movie a few years ago

that was about like mini cities on wheels it was like some fantasy thing it came out like six or seven years ago i forget what it was called all i'm thinking of is howl's moving castle no yeah yeah maybe this is closer to that in terms of scale actually because they're not like huge huge titties but they're you know they're just like big big cars basically driving around um so eventually i assume you were getting to the point where you were fighting those and defeating those as well and the biomes are open and interesting one thing that threw me off was that i was i was started the game in one

area and then i quit the game it saves auto saves all the time and when i loaded back in i was in a completely different part of the map so i i had no idea how i got there and i was like did i leave the game running and it just drove to a different part but like it didn't do that so that was one thing that confused me a little bit i don't know where the original area is and i'm like should i go back there i don't mind the wrong level i don't i don't think so um it's early access and it kind of feels like it because like the combat is interesting but i wouldn't say it's like super compelling the the car

combat stuff it gets a little bit rote and maybe it gets more difficult and you know i've only played like three or four hours maybe so far um uh but the look of the game is great the sound is great the music's fun uh the the bounciness the animation all that that stuff is fun and it's it's kind of an interesting weird world kind of like the way pacific drive was where i'm like oh this is this is nice this is like a strange place i want to see more of it i want to see more of its biomes um yeah so it's a it's a it's a cool cool thing it's it's also like dirt cheap for what it is like it's like

what is it now 13 49 at the moment um which i guess for early access is good but like i would say that like i the way i've been been playing this game is like thinking of it as a $30 game so like remembering that it's like actually under 15 it's like it's pretty solid there's a lot in here nice does the early access feel like uh like you can see the seams or is it more of a content thing it's i i'm not quite sure still because i it's because it's such a it's it's such a unique like presentation so much of it is um i guess it's like a stripped back open world driving game in some ways but it's

just it's weird enough and way more playful uh you can really like you can like shoot down all the trees jumping around and there's like alternate fires that do silly things and it's um you know like there's there's enemies i've seen in the trailers and stuff that are like huge boats on on wheels like it's it's it seems like the spectacle of it is sort of part of the the reason why you play it more than the capital c content of it um so i can't tell i can't tell if if eventually i'll hit up against the oh i've done everything and that's all the biomes or whether or not they will add in more novel

gameplay to the areas i'm already in personally i'd like to see that like a little bit more because the foundation of the game is really cool and the the driving is really fun.

Like I can see there being interesting stuff with like navigation or like, or trying to get up to certain places, you know, like trying to, um, you know, platforming for want of a better term.

Um, and I'll say that the presentation is outstanding.

Like the, it's, it's a third person driving camera.

You can go first person if you want, but as you're driving around in third person, the hood is like your, your, uh, there's like you know a little um little what do you call a dash dashboard toy that's flicking around on your hood as you're driving even though it's in third person and uh when you hit the menu screen all of these like uh it's almost stop motiony like all of these uh uh cables and and things pop into view for the for the um for all the menu stuff it's the look of it is is absolutely terrific it's like it's like it's like imagine if the playstation would have gotten those eight megabytes

of ram like this this is what games might have looked like back then in that case um yeah it feels really cool yeah it's got all that spectacle they do have a roadmap um ironically for a cool game um on their steam page and it says uh they're adding it said there's a gameplay section and a content section um some of the highlights are proper story lower in missions more cars etc and then it also says more activities race modes melee combat uh and yeah like a bunch bunch of different gameplay stuff so it seems like both of the things that jesse mentioned are kind of going to be addressed both content

side and feature side awesome yeah melee combat also stuck out to me jesse i think that would be fun because oftentimes what's happening to me is i'm getting um sort of bumpered with cars and then i'm just like drilling bullets in them like i'm getting them really close to me and then drilling bullets in them i think when they explode they hurt you too um but i if i had a melee thing because a lot of the other cars do have melee things like a lot of the enemy cars will have like grinders on the front or yeah stuff like spiked wheels and stuff right yeah and they sort of have their own names like

it's very it's very mad maxi and it's cool because if they do melee combat they can have the cars transform and then give them swords and it could be like transformers so i thought he was going to end up in digimon there again oh well you know actually no somehow let's not do it um but the big bosses are cool i think that's that's a cool way to to loot to you know yeah it's a good because mad max Max had that same sort of problem.

Like, I almost like that game.

I like parts of it.

I thought it was interesting.

I like Chum Bucket.

Magnum Opus. Yeah, it's fun.

Yeah. Like, it's all a good idea.

But the combat never really scaled super hard. Like, once you were fighting a big boss, it was just like, I don't know, the car has more health.

There's a lot of them like this one's like, no, this is a big and the bosses aren't just like a big car that you shoot at from far away.

They're like mega structures that you go inside of, like the first one you do in the tutorial, like you go in the thing and do like platforming challenges with your car it gets really good uh and if there's a bunch of those that are all at that same level of quality like that that to me alone is like oh you found a way to make a boss fight in a in a car game like this feel exciting again which is awesome i should also mention as well that the cargo stuff is very funny because if you get cargo you can only like put it on your car when you're in that big mechanical mechanical, you know, uh, the little

roving, um, uh, mechanics shop.

Um, and then it's sort of like bouncing around on the back of your car, like all physics and shit.

And like, you have to like bring it to somewhere.

And, um, yeah, that's, that's, that's neat too.

It's, it's really cool.

It's very unique. It's like, it's funny.

So many of these like, um, PS one throwback driving games are very much like, Oh, we're the new roll cage.

Oh, we're the new, you know, whatever destruction derby this is very like this is i've never played anything like this this is a this is a car combat game i would say the closest thing it would be to would be like a um what is it metal uh twisted metal twisted metal yeah like i just but but it's definitely not twisted metal it's you know it's very very different um yeah fumes available now early access uh i would say if you're interested in checking it out it's it's a for the price it's a good early access offering i would say um yeah and hopefully they'll add more stuff to it i think i'm gonna play

a little bit more and then probably sit on it for for a while until they add some more stuff uh fumes available on steam all right let's get off me um let's bounce over to jesse again for cypher zero yeah cypher zero this is you guys like puzzles i know i know you do oh really i oh man no i do love me a good puzzle so I played the witness for the first time this year because you know it's one of those things where people said it was good and then I was like okay I don't have to play it then because I know it's good already so what's the point I started playing it it's really good guys it's a great game

did you know that someone should make a documentary about it yeah check it out it's when I played the witness I was enjoying the open world stuff I thought that was cool in the way that the puzzles connect in and the interaction stuff but there was a part of me that was like I wish there was a version of this that was just screens that was just endless puzzles it's all I want.

Uh, and a cipher zero is, is very similar in a lot of ways.

Uh, it's not a line based puzzler.

It's more like, I guess you could say Sudoku.

I think that's fair.

Maybe a little more pit cross.

Um, but the way that it does its tutorials and, and it's a puzzle structure is very similar to the witness.

So like in the witness, when you find those panels and it's a series of panels to explain a new puzzle mechanic, that's like the whole game.

So this one opens with like a handful of them, like there's lines on the outside edge of a series, like a grid of squares and each grid or sorry, each square on the grid has either an on or off state.

And your goal is to figure out what the pattern is for that puzzle.

There's always only one pattern you can do.

Um, okay. Yeah. So it's, it's the same as the witness in that there's only one line structure you could do.

Uh, and it's, it just builds up over time in this really neat and dynamic kind of way.

Cause like, it'll do different little shapes on the grid to sort of teach you things and teach you in a non -linear fashion well in a linear fashion and that like it always gets progressively harder but like they'll introduce new sort of twists all the time like hey this and this what if you the thing i taught you two uh two puzzles ago doesn't work anymore because now i slightly move these pieces so like it's it's a very good sort of ambient puzzle solving which i i love that stuff it makes me feel like such a little genius boy um but then also like later on i reached this the zenith of the game

not like the end but the point where i realized how why i liked it so much i don't play these kinds of games like puzzle games like this from beginning to end because like what's the point that's not fun for me it's like you wake up you have your coffee you a couple puzzles and you know you go do something else um here i reached like the fourth area there's a handful of areas each of them are it's actually beautifully rendered it looks quite nice um it has this sort of like geometric art style you're in different areas like a farmland and a city and uh just out in the fields and stuff it looks

actually quite nice the background for the the puzzles um and then you sort of duck down into the underground of the world to solve the puzzles i'm not sure exactly what the motif is there but it looks nice uh but once i got to the fourth area which is i think a city structure uh they introduce a new mechanic and in the first tutorial where i usually take a second to figure it out i just solved it and i was like oh no wait a second oh wait was that no it was it was good because i was like oh wait and then i did the next one and I got it and I was like, hold on.

My third eye has opened.

I am the puzzle man.

Like I've, you're like, I felt like I was, I felt like I was, I was in the game.

Like I understood the language of it in this bizarre way.

Cause it's all just shapes, but like the rules up till that point, the way they built on each other is so, so natural.

It feels so organic almost like you're, you're walking through this constructed series of puzzles that like some, some madman made, and he's trying to teach you his language so you can get to the end of it if it ends like that i might be the smartest man of all time uh but if it doesn't then hey that's still cool that i came away from that with it so i don't know if you like if the part of the witness that you liked or puzzle games in that nature was the act of learning more than it was the act of finding the puzzles like i still enjoy that in the witness don't get me wrong but i like doing the puzzles

more than i like finding them most of the time um if that's the part you liked you will love cipher zero it is so cool like it does such a good job of teaching things in this way that yeah so few games pull off in in that sense of or that level of quality it's yeah very satisfying game awesome stuff cipher zero uh fifth 1499 on uh it looks like it would it would it be good uh steam deck game i've been playing it on steam deck the controls are fairly straightforward it's like you just press a on or off for the squares and then submit your solution one of the buttons move on to the next puzzle super

straightforward yeah okay does the job have you completed the witness i haven't finished the witness i want to go back to it but it has that again that thing where i'm like i can't play this for more than a handful of hours but because the witness is the way it is if you leave it alone for a couple hours yeah it's hard to get back into um yeah it's really fun though it's very good have you experienced the witness i don't get what oh like Like the Tetris feeling that you get from it?

Is that what you mean?

Keep playing The Witness, Jesse.

Okay, I'm not sure what you mean by that.

Jeremy knows. I saw him smile there.

Yeah, I got cheated because I heard John Blow explain it before I had played the game.

Oh yeah, you're right.

During the interviews.

I was like, damn, that sounds awesome.

Experience The Witness.

Keep playing The Witness.

Don't watch our documentary until you've...

Oh, I already watched some chunks of it, but I didn't give anything away.

Good, okay. I guess I missed it.

keep playing the witness that's that's some that's some interesting stuff all right um awesome cypher zero uh i have a quick one to chuck in here it's called mavericks actually i take it back it's not called mavericks it's called mavericks by matt jones hell yeah matt matt jones is a downhill mountain bike youtuber uh who's from england and you will get to know Matt Jones a lot if you play Mavericks in early access right now is this that top gun game is that what this is exactly that's it that's a top gun it's the volleyball scene for four hours folks get ready to game they couldn't get Tom Cruise

so they got an English downhill YouTuber to play him instead and no this is um falling you know in the sort of the fashion of many extreme sports games getting their own game finally um mavericks is a a pc currently early access mountain biking game so it is um sort of the various forms of mountain bike which are predominantly sort of like downhill racing some some more jumpy some more circuity um it is open world it is always online as well which i have some feelings about um but essentially what it is is it's it's kind what was the ubisoft one um there's writers republic i remember came out

there was the what was the was that the ubisoft one yeah yeah right yeah and then there was a snowboarding one i feel like as well no there was not amps no of course not there was another there's a snowboarding one as well something like that shredded or shreds or andy bam needs to play it all the time jeremy he was mad for it i think that was the that was the ubisoft gun ubisoft snowboarding game somebody help me out steep oh yeah steep and the one you're thinking of frank was shredders okay unrelated to the teenage mutant ninja turtles that's a damn shame um yeah so it's similar to that it's

an open world map um you are doing mountain biking stuff the controls are interesting because it's kind of like um uh you you pedal with right bumper but then the brakes are on the triggers like front and rear brakes are on the triggers and then the moves like doing flips and turning and backflips and stuff like that kind of follow a skate -esque um format of like you're using the thumbsticks together or against each other um which is interesting for like pumping and and doing all that sort of stuff um so yeah it seems interesting uh i i just love the i think if you're into mountain biking this is definitely

something to check out my one caveat you add is this is a 40 early access game and it feels a little bit to borrow an ubisoft video games title steep um for for what you're getting um there's something about it i really like though like the game when it opens up first of all it like has to search for a dedicated server and my ping wasn't great so i'm guessing it's maybe in europe i have no idea but it had actually trouble connecting the first time when i tried to play and then you're playing and there's other mountain bikers around and that's cool right there's other people playing driving cycling

cycling around on mountain bikes and that's that's fun to watch them and you get into like little like things where you're both you know um fighting each other and stuff like that um but uh the the game when it runs opens up has this like three minute video from this guy matt jones being like hi i'm matt jones welcome to the game mate this is how mountain biking works and i'm turning australian for some reason um and he's just this english guy talk he's like doing the thing and then his voice is like in the tutorials for things he's like yeah go over here like come over here i'll teach you how

to do this and then when i was listening to the radio first of all the soundtrack is fucking brilliant they have some like almost every song i was like yeah no they're like great whoever picked this they they know what they're doing um it's like a mixture of rock and dance and stuff like that uh but he's the fucking dj oh cool in between the songs he's like hey guys that that's an arm that song really brings me back to being a teenager you know just so you know there's not just not you know races you can do you can also go off the beaten path and i've seen loads of you sending me images from all

your it's like it's so it's such a funny idea that like the creator of the game is like a is like a radio dj in the world of the game and they're just like constantly saying thanks for playing and like you should do this it's like it's like if dj atomica was like the creative director criterion you know what i mean it's it's so funny so i've so it's just a weird game to play because it's like okay it's downhill it's weird it's multiplayer and then there's this like layer of just it feels like i'm playing like a game that is made for like this guy's fans you know what i mean right but i'm not his fan but i'm

like but you're about to be from the sound of it yeah yeah he's like he's he's really affable and nice like i i get i'm like feeling better about this forty dollars but every you know every little interstitial he does between the songs apologizing for the price on the radio he's like oh you know it's just it took a lot to make this game and like things you could buy for forty dollars exactly yeah it's a good your uber eats will cost less than that you know since brexit it's been really hard over here you know what i mean like all that sort of stuff dingo ate me baby um yeah so like it's just a weird

game it's like i i play i i saw it pop up and i was like oh i like downhill i i like mountain biking stuff like i don't do it all that often but like i have done it over the years of my life here and there and it's it's a fun sport and i'm like i like sort of action game open world games i like fudging around in them so i was like okay like 40 bucks is a bit much but like it had mostly positive reviews and there was something about it it felt very indie and i was like oh let's just give it a go i guess um and yeah it's very charming and the gameplay itself i i think the speed it feels like legit

like it doesn't feel overly simmy but it does feel like you know when you're like when you're when you're barreling down a hill like you could you see your your your rider's back because their shirt is getting blown so aggressively like it feels like it has touches that are from people who care about this world world um in a really uh cool way and so in that way it feels like i am now part of this world and learning about this world in like a cool um kind of safe way where i won't break my neck um so uh so yeah it's an interesting thing i think the price on it is a is steep enough i suspect this is one

of these situations where this game is going to have a limited audience so they need to make sure that the the people who wants to play this type of game mountain bike heads are they're getting enough money out of them to continue this through early access that that's what i would guess the the sort of math is here um but yeah it's um it's it's fun it reminds me a lot of skater xl actually you know like an indie team making a game about their sport sort of like an uncompromising version of it um similar and it's like you know it's a sports game with like like cool visuals good music you know about the culture

all that sort of stuff so yeah i wanted to mention it in case there was folks who are mountain bike heads who didn't know about this because i just did not it just popped up on my steam recommendations uh probably because i play a lot of these weird sports games um uh and uh yeah i'm delighted i played it yeah hell yeah it sounds awesome is that i had a question about the controls the uh because you mentioned it's like skate which is that was mine i didn't play tony hawk i was a skate boy um oh sick i was a a skater boy said to you later boy and uh the controls for this because that one was like

i love it but going back to it now i feel i feel 30 like i can't there's little tiny things you gotta this one's a 70 degree angle this one's a 90 degree angle is it that specific or is it more like just driving is the thumb sticking i'd say it's very forgiving with the jumps like maybe not maybe overly forgiving maybe i'll take that back i think i'm just on a bunch of green slopes I think, okay.

Um, but, uh, yeah, no, it's not that particular.

Like there's a good flow to it.

Um, it's fun too. Cause like you go down the Hill and then to get back up, like mountain bikers that are, especially at ski resorts, who just get in, you get in the chairlift, you know, to get back up the mountain and then, you know, it loads you back up there, which is pretty cool.

Um, uh, but yeah, the controls are, yeah, no, they feel fun.

The braking feels interesting too, because you can obviously like lock both of them if you need to stop and you can you know lock your back brake if you're trying to like take a corner a certain way um yeah it feels intuitive and fun and maybe it'll change a bit when i get different bikes as well because i think i'm only on like the default mountain bike bike but there's other ones you can do i'm sure there's like ones for one with human feet on the wheel and hey man wheel world has that one is that what it's called yeah yeah wheel world has that one covered um i should Should mention Mavericks

is spelled M -A -V -R -I -X.

Mavericks. It's all caps.

I don't know what that is.

OK, I was going to say, what is that?

Is it his brand or something?

Yeah. Couldn't tell you.

Could not tell you.

But there you go. Mavericks by Matt Jones.

Not since, uh, what was the fucking, I don't know.

I had a really bad night's sleep last night.

I can't remember anything's name anymore.

It's OK. It was about not since Mark Echo's getting up.

has there been a better name in a in a video game title i like that it's mavericks by matt jones because it sounds like it sounds like the game's name is mavericks and you're telling me who made it but it's all compressed into the title there's something very funny about that to me i don't know it's like it's doing so much with the title like it's it's like if you uh it's like if stephen king book was called like the stand by stephen king you know what i mean it's like if you made a game about climbing over pre -made assets and you called it getting over it with Bennett Foddy like it's could you

imagine yes exactly but no it would be like getting over with any Bennett Foddy by Bennett oh yeah there you go yeah yeah yeah it's like or or skater by Tony Hawk yeah yeah exactly Tony Hawk's pro skater by Tony Hawk I think they gotta do that I think there's not enough Matt Jones in this house I think it's gonna be Matt Jones's Mavericks by Matt yeah there you go go all the way in same way I think they should lean into this Matt Jones guy as much as humanly possible i think i wait i hope there's like what do you mean he made it good point he didn't make it they should just have they should just

have the um uh uh developer be matt jones yeah who's third kind games i don't care it's matt jones exactly it's matt jones it's matt jones of course i want to watch match we've said his name so much that i have semantic satiation from it and i want to watch his youtube channel so whatever he's i think he's a red bull eraser so he's got like a bunch of wild stuff that he's done over the years um his youtube channel appears to show him jumping over his house just about to say the exact same thing so it looks like he just crossed into a million subs like like maybe today wow enjoy that big goal what do

you get when you get a million it's the gold play button yeah we're we're not that far off we're 880 880 or something like that he's like thanks Jeremy I appreciate the kind words about my subscriber check out this song first time I got a I got a hand shandy in in a park with uh when I was on my motorbike on my man they were doing a roger on me or whatever I still don't know first time I got got roger'd there you go oh brought me down to toontown got roger rabbited mavericks by matt jones available uh currently on steam i think only but um this this feels like the type of thing like skater xl

eventually they could hopefully get it to uh get consoles too we should probably get frank and jeremy involved at some stage here it's just me and jesse playing indie tennis uh frank how is the world of death stranding 2 treating you uh it's great it's uh in the last two weeks i've played about cumulatively 30 hours of death stranding one and then two so i as death stranding 2 came out it was like the rush of like for years it was like oh i'll beat death stranding one day yeah i'll beat death stranding i'll beat death stranding had it installed i'll beat death stranding and then it was like oh

my god death stranding 2 is out like next week and so it was like crap so like i had to like relearn the whole game and like even the world because everything in this game has a different name it's like the most of two stuff but like like as thankfully two solves this issue i'll talk about in a minute but like i'd be finished playing death stranding one and in the middle of cut scenes i'd be like higgs wikipedia like bb8 what's a bt like like typing in the whatever but like so there'd be be cut scenes going on i'm like googling every definition but then by the time it's grenades yeah hey siri

what's a piss grenade but by the time i beat it it was like okay cool now let's dive into the number two and like thankfully two immediately and i think like i remember final fantasy 16 was like the game the first game i noticed this where it's like as you're playing the game it's updating like oh yeah we've at up up in death training 2 they call it the corpus but But video games now have Wikipedia's inside.

So Final Fantasy 16 had, I don't know what they call it, the lore bible.

You'd watch a cutscene.

You could press start and be like, who's this character?

Who's this character?

Death Stranding 2 is so thorough.

I think also, because the first one came out 2019.

So you press start and it's like, here's everyone.

Here's Norman Reedus, whatever, his character, and everyone else.

Wait, wait, wait. Let's go around.

does anyone know the character normand readus plays in dead stranding sam porter uh jeff bridges right oh sam bridges okay yeah yeah just is canonically from death yeah he's his dad yeah yeah so so as you're playing it like it's constantly updating you finish the cut scene it's like all right the story's been updated you check something shocking happens in the game like pretty early on and i was like no way that didn't happen and i check and it's like yes this happened the next like it constantly reminds me of this story beat because it's so outrageous i'm like and i still don't buy it like another

another thing i love about like like metal gear solid 2 is like for the longest time was like one of my favorite games of all time i had since like replayed metal gear solid 1 recently and i was like damn actually metal gear solid 1 maybe really is like the best out of all of them but like i love mgs2 because it's so insane and completely like like deconstructs metal gear solid 1 and playing death stranding 2 i'm like all right how is he gonna like subvert expectations again so i still don't buy the the like inciting incident of Death Stranding 2 but regardless um Death Stranding 2 I find it much

more easier and smoother than Death Stranding 1 I feel like Death Stranding 1 was such a sad like melancholy game and like the world events and like like like Death Stranding 1 came out 2019 then there was COVID which made the world Death Stranding like so much of Death Stranding 1 and 2 whatever it's it's about grief and every character has their own messed up like thing with grief playing the game since the passing of my father like when i was beating the game was like it connected so much deeper than ever had before kojima had since said like both his parents had passed and he has elements

of that in death stranding and so like the death stranding i played like in 2025 i read so much differently when i first played in 2019 so like i beat death stranding one i went on a hike like a long hike after hiking throughout death stranding one and then i was downloading death stranding two then And I started it and like, so immediately playing Death Stranding 2, the experience seems much smoother.

They've like retooled the UI.

I feel like there's way less like menu confirmations.

It just kind of lets you get in and out with your changes.

I feel like Death Stranding 1, there was so many separate compartments that were like very clunky to get going on a mission.

Whereas I feel like Death Stranding 2 is so much easier.

Yeah, so I'm like 20 hours into it.

And I feel like, yeah, there's a little bit more action, a little bit way more combat.

I feel like they encourage it.

There's so many like a James Bond or Hitman.

there's so many different gadgets and devices and weapons and like every time you get meet a new contact they're giving you more weapons more guns like there's so much like silly stuff even like one example is in death stranding 2 you get like a um a doll companion you get a doll companion named doll man stallion of course yeah doll man which is like sam's own little laboo boo and uh on your clip but like he serves two functions one he's constantly like hey sam you you know like he's constantly just reminding like like matt matt uh what's not matt jones yeah he's basically that just like oh hey

sam like you know you can do this right but like you can throw him up in the sky and it's like assassin's creed eagle vision you can like scope it or you can literally throw the doll at players and i at enemies and i thought that i thought i was being cheeky and clever like i wonder if he could throw the doll at an enemy and he reacts to it later on he's like sam by the way you could also throw me at enemies too so what i like what What I like about Death Stranding 2 is, like, in, like, a lot of Kojima games, like, there's so many, like, hidden layers and systems, and, like, they've thought of everything,

and, like, it's just so clever.

It's so funny. Like, I just was doing a mission this morning, and I was driving, driving, driving, and then my truck broke down, and I ran out of battery.

So you can build generators, but my car broke down in a river, and so I couldn't put a generator there.

So I put it off the side outside the river.

i had to go find another vehicle and then push my truck out of the river to get to the generator and then that worked and then i got out of the car and got in the new car but it was like that wasn't like a designed planned scenario that was like you're playing that expeditions game that mud runner one yes it really there's so much of that like the game so i feel like half the time you do missions it's like all right get to this new area there's the bts which are the ghosts there's the the brigands which is like the mad max bandits so there's combats or stealth or when you're fighting the ghost

stuff it's so like her it's like genuine horror and like the sky turns to red and it's very mad max um and then the other half is like yeah you're just delivering stuff and it's so relaxing and there's kind of like it's so weird it is kind of like a single player mmo in the sense of like as you're doing like the side quests and stuff once you're connected to the carol network and this is stuff that everyone's already talked about but just speaking from my experience how much i'm finding the joy in it is like i genuinely love like once you connect and you see everyone's towers and ladders and just

spammed items. And it's like, oh, you're kind of reminded, even you're playing this single player game, it's that same joy of playing a Dark Souls game with that first month when everyone's populating the world with messages and stuff.

And it's like, oh, I'm not truly alone playing this.

Everyone's playing this game.

Everyone's playing in their own unique way.

And you're constantly getting spammed with likes and that faux social media stuff from players.

And I always love seeing everyone's random usernames and things like that.

and it's just like it's it's a it's like it's kind of like the feeling of like playing World of Warcraft or Final Fantasy 14 like logging on in the morning I'm just playing by myself but I see everyone's like stuff being populated and like everyone's doing missions alongside you you don't see it but like you'll get notifications like oh this porter just delivered a mission here good job like it's such a like cheer it's kind of like a cheery game I don't know if that was intentional because of how much of a down or death stranding one was but I feel like this is consciously a a little bit more

lighter a little bit more sillier or i think kojima even said he like wrote the game differently because of covid and the reality of this training one so i feel like this one is way again kind of like like milger saw two veers into so many weird ways but this feels a lot more i don't know peppy's the right word but i'm i'm genuinely having fun with it where i feel like death stranding one i got fatigued from it and like even the story stuff i was like i don't this is ridiculous but i feel like that's joining two is a little bit more uh I don't know, focused or easier to swallow.

Jeremy, how far are you in DS2 now?

Or Death Stranding 1?

In Death Stranding 1, I'm probably halfway through.

I sort of mainlined the first 12 hours, and since then I've just been chipping at it in small sessions because there's lots of games to play.

Frank, without spoiling anything about the narrative of Death Stranding 1, how did you find the ending of Death Stranding 1?

Should I take my headphones off?

I can't. Yeah, maybe.

okay i'm gonna take a moment just wave at the screen when i'm ready to come back okay okay don't no spoilers though for anyone else listening did you like it or did you think it was the stupidest shit no i liked it because the way stuff escalates okay because um so much of what i think death stranding one is it's like you're building ladders you have to deliver shit this is boring by the end of death stranding one it escalates and there's there's there's there's like giant monsters and just so much action finally and i'm like oh this is awesome and the cut scenes it's like insane horror there's

terminator 2 crap it's like this is incredible uh and death stranding 2 maintains that energy of like crazy cool sci -fi stuff i feel like the bulk of death stranding 1 was like putting ladders down in your shit and you fall it sucks death stranding 2 i feel like has a lot of action and juice so i'm happy like death stranding 1 ends and insanity and Death Stranding 2 carries that same insanity So that's why I like it We'll bring him back in That looked exciting That's crazy, I can't believe there was a giant snake at the end of Death Stranding 1 Come on man, I'm sorry A colonel came up and said

Snake, snake Snake I felt like I was missing out Yeah, Frank was just You're very animated and I can see you being like I was just like, fuck, I just want to know what he's saying I was basically saying like Death Stranding one amps up in such a positive way that I beat it hit download on Death Stranding 2 went for a walk came back and started playing so it's like it's like I don't know again like it maybe it is the thing of like okay we need to put more explosions in this new game like it's kind of thing like yes this is awesome so it's definitely the aliens to alien yes you know sort of uh yeah

you know they give you a car in the pretty early in Death that's funny too they're like we know yeah we know um nice one glad you're joining frank um quick little aside uh i gotta actually during the podcast last week somebody mentioned something about a switch and i was like oh i should check switch twos again to see if there's any around and i went on best buy uh and i was logged in and i was like oh they have them in santa rosa was that right now and I was like like do I really need a switch to and then they were like oh it's like um they had like a deal for like 50 off with a game or something

so I was like oh I could get that in Donkey Kong maybe I'll do it so like literally during the podcast last week I like booked it and then was like okay I'll go up and got it so I picked it up later that day um and uh Uh, I really, I didn't think, I wasn't sure if I'd be, I was really worried because it's like 500 bucks and I'm like, am I going to fucking use this thing?

Like, I really want to play the new Mario Kart and I think maybe the rest of my family will play it as well.

Yeah. Um, and then the Donkey Kong conversation we had, Kongversation, if you will, um, uh, was also like, oh fuck, maybe I should play this.

And then more than, honestly, kind of more than any of them is that the reason, one of of the main reasons i bounced off the second zelda game is that the frame rate was so bad and i was like if i could play that game in 60 frames a second then i that i might have a new zelda to play and that would be exciting um and so that's what i've been doing for the past uh week uh my daughter is now fucking brilliant in mario kart and she couldn't play any games really she was like not great with a controller she played um donut county is like the the only game she's really beaten herself um which is essentially

just you using an analog stick to move the hole around and so anything with like multiple pressing of buttons or anything like that like i've i've really kept her away from games quite a bit um so there's never been a game where she can just like pick it up herself and and get good at that sort of stuff my card cart has 100 unlocked that so like she saw me and my wife playing my wife loves my cart you know um when i met her like our she said she's like oh i'm not really a gamer like you know she was like talking like capital g game or whatever like i went over to her place the first time and she

had a wii setup and was playing like mario and mario kart and everything and then she like crushed me in mario kart so we've always enjoyed playing mario kart um but uh we haven't played one since eight obviously on on the the last switch um so she was we've been playing loads of mario kart together my daughter walked in and was like oh my god what is this this colorful you know fucking rainbow road all this shit um i wish they had the lyrics actually in the rainbow road it's called a rainbow it is the road that you know exactly somebody can mod it i'm sure um uh so she was like yeah let me have a go

and then so she's been playing like split screen with us she's been playing with her mom she's been playing on her own she's uh basically able to get first and 50 cc on everything now um and she's getting uh first on 100 uh quite a lot um it's a lot of like being an eighth with like one and then they give you the left and they give you the bullet exactly yeah but she and and it's also a game that like they are so good at it's very hard to go backwards in in this one you know it's not like lucky two is there fucking going when you go the wrong way around um so i think it's it's very good at putting

you on the bumpers i think you can't fall off nearly as much like on rainbow they have like smart steering in this new i think it's been in the last couple where it like goes nope just kidding you don't want to go there come here totally play the game they even have an option for like auto using items if you want to do which we've not done with her but she's now she's getting to know she's like she yesterday she was um she was playing and i sat down with her she's seven now and something happened she went oh classic blue shell so she's officially a gamer exactly so that alone has made the uh the the purchase

of the switch to worthwhile in my heart is that like they're all playing and my wife's playing and my daughter's playing it so they're having a great time uh donkey on is crazy i don't know how they do it it's just bananas no pun unintended so you can do all that sort of stuff and uh i loaded up breath of the wild and played like an hour or not breath of the wild tears of the kingdom and played about an hour of that um in 60 frames a second and it's a total game changer so um i'm too far in the game i'm a bit confused so i'm just going to reset my save and go back to the start and play play that but i've

been mostly playing on the television which i i hated on the switch i thought it looked like shit but like the increased resolution on the game is just it looks good on a television now so yeah yeah it's way more sharp and then the screen when you play in handheld is amazing when i showed that to my daughter the first time because she didn't know it was docked and then i pulled it out and she was like you know what i mean it was pretty crazy so um yeah yeah it's cool it's cool it was um uh yeah easy to get there was more there when i when i got it so it was cool to see does the taking the joy

cons off not feel like the most satisfying thing crazy that a game console has ever done like because i was ready to like slide them back in again and then it's like you just just put them they just magnetize they just suck in it's like oh when you take it off the like oh man oh oh the sound it makes as well the sound but yeah but the feel of it like it's a the sound you're right but it's not like playing a sound it's like the actual physical thing giving up the magnet sacrificing itself and saying it's time for gaming it's so good oh my god the virtual virtual uh game card stuff game card stuff

was annoying yeah so they've made it so jeremy i'm not sure they basically turned the games into nfts yeah yeah i heard all about this kind of did yeah yeah you're right iwata's rolling in his grave it's it's it's i get why they do it because they don't want because they're putting out a new machine and they don't want like all of your old games coming over but like that's how it works on psn and that's how it works on xbox live so it was annoying just because i kept getting a fault because i have like a launch switch so it was that was our primary switch console so it just wouldn't do it for a while

like it was really if it kept bringing up an error code and i was like come on man i just want to play these fucking games so i ended up like going on nintendo's rinky dink website and like delisting one of those consoles so it couldn't do it anymore and then that thankfully and there's a limit on how many times you can do that in a year so i was like worried that this was gonna ruin everything um so then i uh i registered or i loaded up my switch too and then it by default because it was the nearest handshake became the primary console which is good and then i could make the other one i could connect it

that way and it worked thankfully but it was just like an hour of doing dumb nintendo internet stuff because they're because they just are bad and all that um so So that kind of sucked.

Also, I can never tell if something is downloaded or not.

Cause like some games I go to play them as virtual cards.

I've never booted them on the switch too.

And they're, they're there.

And I'm like, well, you just downloaded yourself.

Like I didn't tell you to do that.

That's weird. Um, and then some of them are like, no, I got to download you.

All right. So who knows?

Anyway, Mario Kart world is a, is a, is a good time.

Um, let's, let's, let's chat a little bit about the new stuff.

Um, that happened. uh during the week so jeremy um you've been uh diving into a little bit obviously all of us in some form have been keeping up to date with the itch uh steam issue with regards to um payment processors inflicting censorship on them or requiring them to get rid of uh certain games off the platform because of outside influence from a particularly irritating lobbying group or consumer interest group.

Jeremy, give us give us a sort of one on one on what this is about before we dive into it any deeper.

Yeah. So this is a huge topic that goes in a million different directions.

So I will I will do my best to keep this top level.

And, you know, I've got a lot of notes here, but I'm mostly curious and kind of what you guys think about this and may change by by the time this podcast goes out.

Yes, yeah, totally.

We're recording this on Tuesday morning, Tuesday early morning, early afternoon.

There have been a lot of, you know, as is the case whenever there's sort of public outcry about something, there's been a lot of, like, initial, like, did you hear about this fucked up thing?

And it's like, well, these elements of it are not necessarily true.

And it's like, but I heard it from the guy who, like, worked on the game.

And it's like, well, he was wrong.

Anyway, so what happened was there is an organization, a nonprofit known as Collective Shout, out uh who describe themselves i believe as an australian anti -pornography group um and what happened is they sort of they reach out to uh storefronts and payment processors and different people along the sort of supply chain when they see things that they find you know like it's basically like anti -degenerate art it's this sort of conservative position that like certain things are not only pornographic but like transgressive in a way that they need to be completely eradicated from society uh so examples

previous to this current news story are uh they reached out to kmart and target in australia and i believe successfully had i think it was gta5 uh they like taken off of shelves at these two locations um they also pushed back against detroit become human because the guy's because the guy's mean to his daughter and they're like that's can't be mean to a lady and it's like well but he's a bad guy um but anyway so that's the kind of thing they do but it gets interesting when they reach out to a storefront like Steam in this case um they reached out to Valve and basically were like you know you guys

are uh trafficking in the art of pornographic materials and Steam were just like okay whatever um so they were like fuck Gabe didn't call us back and say he would take all the porn down what can we do next so what they did was was reach out to Step on the Oxygen Hose, as it were, of Steam and reach out to the payment processors to Visa and MasterCard. They reached out to a company called Stripe, who is a multi -billion dollar multinational payment processing corporation.

I believe founded by two Irish guys.

Oh, really? I'm pretty sure Stripe was...

Did Jack Dorsey fund that after the fact?

I think he's related to that.

Am I crazy? Am I crazy?

Is it Stripe or is it...

sorry go ahead i'm just being this is he's being irish this this does i am i'm being irish i'm doing the oh this this briefly uh entered the irish bubble and i need to mention that it's irish i like to know what things have to do with the irish i'm a big fan of the irish um so essentially what happened was they reached out to uh these payment processors and were like did you know because think about this situation you're paying you're a fucking multi -billion dollar corporation corporation and they're like did you know that people are using your service to buy a game also huge fucking trigger warning

like we're some of the games that we're going to talk about are like you know i'm i'm coming up from an anti -censorship position but some of the games i'm going to mention are games that i do not personally endorse in that deal and like pretty fucked up shit so just heads up um uh one of these games that has sort of been the lightning rod of this is a game called no mercy so essentially this is a pro oh yeah yeah frank knows it it's a pretty good playstation 1 wrestling game i think oh no wow that went not the direction i thought it was going this is a different one i don't think hulk oh you thought

i was putting frank yeah i thought you're putting on blast for a second uh so they imagine your payment processor you've you know people buy bicycles and video games and whatever the fuck else through your process processing service and people someone thousands of people reach out to you and say did you know people are buying this rape video game using your service and i think it would be a pretty pretty softball all lobbed for them to be like oh i guess like we probably shouldn't allow that so um what happens is these payment processors reached out to some of these platforms uh steam and itch

specifically and were like hey uh we we don't want to we don't want a payment process for these you know horrendous degenerate materials so take them down or you know we won't work with you and for a company that i mean you know there are limited numbers of payment processors out there so this This is sort of the core issue of this is that if, say, itch or steam take a position of like we don't care, fuck you, we'll find someone else.

There is sort of a monopolization of payment processing.

This is – like if you think starting a car company would be expensive and you need startup capital, imagine fucking starting a multinational payment processing company.

Yeah, Coke and Pepsi already exist in the world of – I mean Stripe managed to squeeze themselves in there somehow.

have but yeah you're right it's yeah there's no more room at the table for that stuff and all of them are sort of subject to this same thing like a lot of this is deals there's a great video if you're interested in the actual legal precedent for this there's a fantastic video by youtuber named lex torius called the secret war to censor the internet gets way more into like the comstock law and like the historical precedent for these things i'm not going to get too deep into the legal weeds because it's kind of irrelevant irrelevant for a top level understanding of this but essentially like all

of these payment processors are subject to the same pressures because essentially anyone can reach out to them and be like hey there's a game where you like rape people and you're endorsing it by allowing it to be purchased um sort of one of the only alternative payment processors they came across which i was not aware of in this process of research until i looked into it was uh no no although i figured it out every save us jeremy every video about this every single video about this if you sort the comments by new it'll just be dudes being like well fucking told you so dude bitcoin what if it's

all you need you know buy with ethereum wake up but there is another the game cost me 0 .00001 doge and yeah exactly uh so there's a alternative payment processor who's uh i don't even know if i should say their name i don't think i'm going to if you go on there it's called the no no no no it's like a payment processing company if you go on their website there's a huge picture of dan bongino just to give you an idea of kind of who you're dealing with here um and they market themselves as a like we're the payment processor who is pro free speech so for example if you this is a real example if you

run a podcast that talks about like how the jews control the media and are evil and all this kind of shit um and like you know holocaust revision like the kind of shit that would be such a layup for a payment processor to be like no fucking way yeah these guys got your back because they believe in you know free speech absolutism which is like so it's interestingly at the core of this this is a very sort of like weird bipartisan issue where left and right are both like i don't think we should censor shit but the the downstream effects of what they mean by that are very different because once you

know regardless anyway so um so steam and itch had to respond to this very very differently for for an interesting reason.

Steam has sort of more of a rigorous vetting process.

And so the games that go up on Steam are games that have like passed by, from my understanding, like a human being's eyes or some sort of vetting process.

And so there there was a more targeted and direct and sort of acute removal of games.

It had a bunch of games that are still like there.

If you've bought them, you can still download them.

They still exist, but you cannot not search for them they're kind of like like shadow band or whatever steam actually took 300 -ish games down um and the interesting thing is i think a lot of people who sort of did not do a brain destroying amount of research on this they see they see the list of games that were taken off of steam and they kind of don't understand why this is a problem because it's like well why would like you know fuck your sister game like why is that a problem i that shouldn't get taken or like is that what it was called that's terrible probably there's probably one or two of those

there was a game to that effect i don't think that was the title though but it's like by matt jones oh no poor matt jones has nothing to do with this his his hands are clean um but uh but anyway so it was interesting because i talked to some of my friends about this who are you know like heart very into games but not really into like the games industry yes normies yeah normies uh and they were like well like i don't understand wasn't it just like horrible shit that got taken down like why is this a problem um and it is a problem for many reasons but sort of the it's i mean censorship is like i

hate the slippery slope fallacy i think slippery slope is like such a bullshit argument but but there is something to be said about the fact that like you know first they came for the weird not safe for work games and i don't make not safe for work games so i did not speak out right and then they came for the fucking furries and like it's this It's this idea that if something can be labeled as degenerate, it is often for these groups an opening, it is the tip of the wedge, and the wedge can be driven deeper to cut farther against things that are like, you know, a lot of the games taken off of Itch

were just like queer games or furry games, like not pornographic.

In fact, Lovely Lady RPG that I talked about on the podcast recently was delisted from Itch. Really?

Right. it is a game that mentions rape and sexual assault but it is not a game that glorifies it it's not a game that like romanticizes it or sexualizes it it is a it is a game that talks about it in passing as something that is mentioned by someone and you're like well that person is fucked up for saying that um what what about the steam stuff that was taken down like was it a bunch of like there's a lot of like weird visual novel like i was talking before about the the ones that i got a couple of years back when i was when i was doing some important research um uh that were like like that are very

much like in that thing where it's basically just a bunch of like cg images and then text inputs and it's just like you know you're at a at a camp and you're gonna you know the hot hot lady who does the thing you eventually kiss the hot lady and it's like yeah it's like they're They're like, you know, I'm not into that, but I'm not going to shame people who are into that.

And it's not illegal.

So like, sure. But like where some of these games do it, because like, for instance, the one that you hypothetically mentioned there, incest is illegal.

So like that would be something that would be, I guess so is sexual assault.

So maybe I don't know.

So the game, that's the thing is like, if you look at the, just the game's taken off of Steam, it seems like without digging deeper, I think it's very easy to say, well, well, they took down all the rape games.

Is that such a big deal?

And it's like, my position on this is not a like, hey man, like don't kink shame those people.

It's not for me, but that's not my position at all.

My position is more that like censorship is an inherently dangerous thing and we need to be very careful with it.

There is a sort of paradox of tolerance thing here where if you're like, well, you know, we got to let these people calling for the extermination of all of a certain marginalized group, they have a right to say that and make games about it i don't know if i agree with that like if you make a game called like kill all insert any minority here i don't i don't know if i support your right to make that game or if i support your right to make it i don't know if i support your right to have it listed on fucking steam or you know like if maybe that's the most racist game sold at walmart i don't know

if i'm cool with that um but like i i did some digging a little bit into a period in history that i have not read about in a while which is the uh the book burning sort of pre -world war ii by the nazis um and one of the sort of famous examples that's touted by people across the political spectrum is uh in on may 6 1933 um there was a book burning by a nazi youth group i think it's like german students something uh at the institute of sexology and oh yes yes yes so this was a very early sort of like um uh lgbtq rights advocacy Institution that did like I mean they had literature on the validity

of trans people back in like 1920 you know what I mean like this is this is really early work like groundbreaking work that was just book burned because essentially it was seen as like lost to history a lot of it as well yes exactly um so and and now I as I was reading about this I was like but this is not like this is apples to oranges right because like a video game about rape is not the same as a as a a textbook about the validity of of people of different gender identity right obviously apples to oranges however uh i came across an image that made me totally reconsider this position which is that um

amongst the books burned in this position uh or in this period rather uh the marquis de sade's um 120 days of sodom was among them and if you've never seen the movie solo which i have not and don't intend to or if you've never read up on 120 days of sodom this is marquis de sade was like like exiled and fucking jailed for writing this shit this is like this is some of the most horrendous shit that you could imagine it's you know a book about like uh i think it's like four noblemen seeking like the height of pleasure and like what if we did like all the most taboo shit in the world in this in the search

for like the highest wow nothing changed huh yeah no mark and and like and the funny thing is is because this is hundreds of years ago like you know i mean i would say most people hear about marquis de sade and they're like you know origin by the way of term sadism marquis de sade is etymologically linked um most people would be like that's fucking disgusting but if you ask people in like academic circles or artistic circles they'd be like hey you may find this repulsive because this is a book that involves like you know child abuse and all like horrible shit uh but it is like an important piece

of history it explores like taboo areas of you know human sexual history and it's like it's sort of this like historical oddity from which we gain knowledge even if we sort of disapprove of it right and so again i am not saying that people who are making rape video games are the contemporary marquita sod i am merely saying that like just because you find something disgusting or repulsive or morally bankrupt does not necessarily mean that like it should be completely erased from the world or like maybe these games shouldn't be sold on steam i actually i i kind of feel like they shouldn't uh maybe

i'm like more pro censorship than some of the people.

But the thing is like, that's up to Steam, right?

If Steam decides, if Valve decides, I don't want to sell this video game.

There's nothing, I think a reasonable person could argue against that.

Like that's up to them.

It's their platform, right?

You could say, you could say there's always a philosophical debate.

Sure. But like, as long as they're going with the law, it's hard to get an argument with them.

It's up to them, it's their platform.

This is the payment processor saying, if you don't take it off your platform, we're not going to let you use the structure of spending.

it's just a it's just a corporate making it but but if gabe newell said it it's like you get mad at gabe newell that sucks he did something shitty but ultimately they own the platform they're not being forced to do it because either you agree with the payment processors or you don't let anyone make money on your platform like they don't there's not really a choice there like there's there's no what do you do do you say no and just no one makes money for a couple months like yeah i hear what you're saying and that like they're they're put in it but like i don't i don't get mad at valve i'm not saying

you can't but like that's up to that well my point is that like in both situations it's a corporation making a decision based on the reasons why corporations make decisions it's it's a monetary thing and also i don't know what the arbitration process is valve is a multi -billion dollar company so like they're not like they're not like developer developer in whatever missouri who made this game and they're up against valve they are valve up against another large corporation who they are in business with who earns a lot of money from them so it's a different relationship they know somebody on that side

who they can talk to itch don't yeah itch is run by yeah it it just run by a bunch of um like seeming it's like a i don't know i don't don't think it's a non -profit is it but it's a it's a low profit i suspect um you know that they i don't know how much they take from people i know whenever i buy something off itch it's always like a little hey throw in a bit for it here and that type of thing and it's a lot of a lot of downloads going on there you know it's a lot of uh data stuff so i'm i'm more sympathetic to them for sure yeah 100 yeah of course i just used valve because that was just the thing

we were talking about like it's it's i don't necessarily agree but i think like it's it's really up to up to them in that in that position but it doesn't that's not the main point but i i do agree that like it's it's a horseshit that like this is happening at all like if you look at like jeremy has made a really good point that collective shout their entire progression here what they're doing is not purely it's you know it's that same lie of oh it's for the children we're protecting the children or whatever because if you look at their wins they have their wins listed on their on their campaign page,

which is so cringy, so stupid.

But if you look through them, they take credit for a lot of things that read as though they had nothing to do with it.

Like a Facebook post got a comment and then the page was like, okay, we'll delete this.

And they're like, we did it folks.

We beat Harley Davidson.

Um, but one of them that I thought was interesting and I think goes to Jeremy's point of like the slippery slope of this thing, because this whole thing started with the No Mercy game.

And while it started with a bunch of games and then the No Mercy thing specifically, And then they just were like, hey, you already did.

You already did what we wanted one time.

Now you have to do it again.

But one of the things that they did prior to this in December of last year was there's this company called Honey Burdette that's owned, I think, in part by Playboy that was doing a campaign with the National Breast Cancer Foundation.

And they harassed them.

Collective Shout harassed the National Breast Cancer Foundation, arguing that they were pornifying breast cancer awareness with their campaign.

And like the model is like a double fourth.

What do you call it?

Oh, my God. Fourth term.

What's what's the word for when you have. yeah yeah we don't need to yeah but whatever like just my point being that like it's yeah you disagree yeah it's not that i disagree it's that like this is that is not the same thing as making a weird crate like this is whatever they find to be degenerate will be made degenerate and if they can get this far what's next hopefully nothing my feeling on this maybe i've been in debates with people on you know in various forms and radio and television about this sort of stuff and like to me this is i don't have as much of an issue with people i disagree with making

arguments making moral arguments that they're attempting like i understand that the people at mothers against drink driving are some of them at least believe in what they're doing they believe in the moral crusade of what they're doing and why they're doing it right and they have their own reasons them they have their own experiences they have their own stuff i understand that there are people who are conservative who do think that like like i live in america and i'm a european so the baseline american is more conservative when it comes to women's bodies than the baseline european so the normalized

american who thinks they're liberal is more conservative about that than most europeans are so my sort of feeling with this sort of stuff is that like you know i don't i'm not a libertarian I don't believe in the marketplace of ideas necessarily, but the thing that I, these, these people will always exist. People who have counter, who weaponize their, their, their numbers to be able to, you know, um, influence society or culture or commerce or whatever in whatever they, they want, they will exist and they have their reasons for it.

And really the only thing, you know, that is a form of democracy that they are doing, you know, you know, that is a form of collective power that they are engaging in.

And what's important is that you, that people on the other side of the spectrum are able to muster up their collective power, which is why I think what's happened over the past couple of days with people flooding visas, um, uh, uh, phone lines with the counterpoint to this.

This it's really annoying that we all have to waste time doing this, but, um, unfortunately it's, it's sort of the, you know, the, as much as I think that like, you know, censorship, I agree.

I, you know, I think America is very conservative about a lot of stuff.

Um, uh, you know, for, for someplace that sort of heralds freedom of speech is this sort of bastion that only exists in this country.

It's really conservative about quite a lot of things.

things um uh and one one of those things being this type of content sort of whole cloth so to me it's like as much as i think like yes censorship is something that we should be really sensitive to i do think people in america are kind of more you know like in in in europe there's a lot more censorship about like you know uh hate crime and uh certain forms of um you know nazism and things Things like that.

You know what I mean?

That, that like, there, it's a bit more proactive in some parts of Europe about that sort of thing.

Um, as much as I think it's like bad that we should, that this type of censorship, you know, we need to make sure that it doesn't push or encroach any further, especially in these times where so much of, there's so much stuff within the right.

Right. It's weird that like right wing people are sort of like you said, there's this weird sort of unification between left and right wing people when it comes to this particular thing, when it comes to free speech. But like there's so much of a crawl, like the world we live in, especially in the States at the moment, is so much more, you know, creeping towards fascism day by day.

But also, I think people should be able I have I'm happy to live in a world in which people are able to do that, are able to push back on that stuff if they want to.

and then I just I think we should be in a position to be able to push uh harder and faster yeah yeah I would say the only sort of caveat because I agree with what you're saying I just think the only caveat to that is that it is when payment when a sort of very small group of payment processors are the the bottleneck for this process for whether censorship they become the essentially the like censorship bureau of they decide what gets censors and what doesn't based on uh risk to their profit margins like risk to their businesses and what you said like established law that sort of yes in some way

ties their hands yeah for sure like 1800s laws about like mailing porno child pornography to each other or something oh really oh my god yeah i was i think it was like it was an andrew comstock it was like a u .s postal inspector who was like a big fat beardy guy who it's like don't don't mail each other porn um but regardless it's like yeah i guess the sort of issue is is that it is like all business this risk aversion is the sort of name of the game and so it is much easier to push for censorship than it is to push against it when when the arbiters of censorship are for -profit corporations because i

think it will always be easier for them to make the safe decision and say let's just play it safe and like you know you say that like irreversible by gaspar noe is art i say it's a movie about rape seems like a rape movie to me let's ban it let's censor it because like i don't want people to buy the rape movie with my service um i think it's way harder to make the argument that like things have artistic validity and so i think it gets to the core of this issue which is that who gets to decide what is what is adult adult content and what, what makes, you know, what cut makes the, the pass into

like artistic validity and stuff is because a lot of it is a framing issue.

It's sort of like a linguistic issue is like, you know, I think it would be very easy for one of these groups like morality and media, um, to like this, who have ties to collective shout, they've rebranded with a different name now, but, uh, to be like, yeah, Gaspar Noe made that like shitty rape movie.

That's like evil and it shows violence towards women.

Um, I think, you know what I mean?

Like like you can frame things that do have artistic validity that deal in horrifying subjects as things that are just like crass explorations of them for shock yeah yeah totally no i completely agreed it like the the nuance of this stuff is is really important and like all the this sort of stuff in a way is slipping between the cracks of the established non -profit at uh arbiters of this being the esrb and peggy and stuff like that which also have their own problems right like a lot of these organizations are are you know run in ways that are maybe out of step with culture at that time but that is kind

of what we're talking about is that like you know there is no unified uh groupthink on this stuff everyone you know has has their own mileage on this you even have your own mileage when you're like what should be on steam and much shouldn't which is why i don't think it's like most stuff it's not a black and white issue it's in the devil's in the detail here um but yeah i i i agree i think one of the fears the fear that we have here is that artistic games uh or games with some sort of um non -exploitative games that are attempting to say something about difficult themes are being targeted because they

They are getting scooped up with a bunch of other stuff, which maybe we aren't as into or as supportive of, but also agree should exist. And then this sliver of weirdo crap that managed to squeeze its way onto this, these platforms, which is sort of spoiling the broth for, for everyone else.

It seems like we're all probably like on a similar page with that.

and that's where most of gaming or at least our sort of bubble within gaming is um and almost almost the the broader hypothetical arguments about this are almost that we don't even have to go into it in a way that's the thing that i hate about some of this stuff is that you end we end up having these really lofty conversations about everything because that's we're trying to make this point about this thing but like really the sensible thing here is probably for them to to, you know, have a look at the game, see if there's anything illegal in them.

And if there isn't, then leave it be.

We have established what's illegal and what's not.

And we shouldn't have moral panic around this stuff.

You know, I just think legality is not a good yardstick for morality, because there are things like like drug law that has been used to criminalize people of color and political activists like the Nixon administration.

Some of the members of the Nixon administration came out decades later and said criminalizing of opioids and the criminalizing of cannabis were tools that were used as a cudgel against left -wing political activism and against black people because those were the two groups that we wanted to target and this was manufacturing of consent to target those people it's easy enough to be like a bunch of black people in a car oh it smells like weed boys what are you guys doing in there and then is that not an apples to orange comparison that you were earlier saying you were against because we're not talking

about weed right but i what i'm saying is that using one thing as a tip of the spear and saying that like oh we're just going after rape games we're protecting the children but then swept up in the process or games about like you know queer life games about just like you know having two moms are swept up as like degenerate materials you know what i mean yeah i know i agree i'm just what i'm saying is that like yeah once it would be great if we were able to get into that then then if there was some sort of agency that could look at each game and see if it passed the sniff test or not, and not,

not this, because there are like, you know, the 99 .99999 % of get like until this weirdo group decided to get involved and lobby a, a payment processor, who's not going to do the due diligence.

Like you can see how this is just like a, like a production issue as much as anything else that they're like, they're not going to go through everything.

And nor can they in the future go through everything steam certainly aren't nobody at fav wants to work on the on the steam platform stuff itch don't have enough people to vet everything that goes up there the esrb don't touch it so it's just this like gray zone that they're terrified of like it's almost like this is only a problem because so many people are making so many games and we don't like nintendo don't even vet the stuff that goes up on their store so it's like it's uh yeah like that that this is, I think like, I completely agree with you that like, I would like to see the stuff that's

up there and not the weird, if, if that game is glorifying or making sexual assault into something that is supposed to be pornographic or gratifying in some way, then I do think that passes some sort of legal issue.

Like, I don't think you're, I don't know, like irreversible is not that you know what i mean um obviously that got in some way like yeah i think i am i am simpatico at you on that um but yeah to me it's it also speaks to sort of a wider issue we have that like the the mechanisms that we constructed around media just all this stuff in the age of the internet none of that stuff works anymore and that's why it's this sort of um target for these folks yeah there's no like chemical litmus test where you can dip a litmus strip into a video game and be like how art is this what ph of art artistry is this you

know is gaspar no way doing this for sexual gratification um or you know is this rape game doing this for for art or whatever um i think that's the subtlety of the frustration here is like collective shout is trying to be the de facto arbiter of what is allowed to be on here by their own standards by going around valve not not working with valve to have something set up it's not constructed by a team of people who work in the games industry who are trying to do that on their own not that necessarily that would be better or more agreeable but the fact that they skirted around things and they're

trying to enforce their own rules that way i think is maybe part of the frustration we would do the same about something that we felt was morally right like if they were you know we are right now people are calling up visa to do like if there was a an issue with like trans games not being put on you know a platform and the platform holder wasn't going doing it would we would would you know liberal left -leaning people within the world of games broaden that and go to congress or go to like yes yeah but that's going to blame people but going to congress is what you're saying of like the legality

part of it like if it's you know if you're under the legal arm then you can can say that that's reasonable so if we're going the legal way and going to congress or going to the supreme court that's different than cutting off the payment system that's but i disagree because i have no problem with people um rioting against ice yeah that that's an illegal form of protest yeah i mean this is all going to be subjective philosophy stuff absolutely like if i you could always argue that like you know that israel is going to say the same thing about stopping food going to palestine like we need to do this and then

people cutting fences or trying to get food in there illegally or taking boats in like that's morally reprehensible on the other side you can make the yeah i totally get what you're coming from but also like you know it's a personal politics i'm making a direct comparison with what you're saying is like unsanctioned collective action which i which you say is like part of the problem whereas i'm saying in our if the ball is in our court no we don't have a problem with that which is i guess i i i don't really it's not that i necessarily take issue with them reaching out to the payment processors

as because like again like you said like power is power if you see something as reprehensible or evil in the world like if you truly view something as evil you should do what you can to stop it right so far be it for me to look at collective shout and say hey i know you're i know you better than you know yourself i can read your mind and i know you're acting in bad faith and you don't really think this is bad you're just doing this to like impose a way of life onto the world let's give them to probably do but some better probably you know some of the probably don't i mean i think they're probably

pieces of shit but like i can't read mine so whatever it's it's a moot point what i'm saying is that like by the problem with me is not a problem of legality the problem with me is that like you said the issue of like who decides what passes the snip test who decides what's art who decides what gets censored who decides what's like porn you know like evil like pornographic pornographic vacation i don't know what the word is of pornographizing of like horrible shit uh you know like who gets to decide and i think that that is the core issue here for me is that because this decision making process

is a hot potato of like well i don't fucking know like that seems like fucked up but like i don't want to be in the news for being the guy who like censors the like what if it is art and i don't know i'm just like a fucking guy who works at a computer valve or whatever um you know by default letting that hot potato land in the lap of a payment processor of a multi -national multi -billion dollar corporation who you know i i assume that the people who made this decision are not super i don't think they probably went to art school not that that's like the fucking requisite thing for this but like

i if you again like i think gaspar noé's irreversible was a great example of like if you put that movie in front of someone who had no context for it and were psychologically primed to believe that this was an evil rape movie i think it would be so easy to make a case that this movie does not have artistic value in fact i've seen some gaspar no way movie like i think enter the void is like crass in a lot of ways that i don't think it deserves censorship but like it's it's you know i'm sure the people who want to take these games down would think the ending of that movie deserves to be censored

yeah totally it's the yeah exactly so it's i guess the the problem is is like who who decides this and when the answer to that is a very small number of corporations that process payments on such a large scale that they like it benefits them to take the safe road and just like say fuck it let's censor it what this can what this leads to is what you see on itch rather than steam i've been focusing on steam because it is the like extreme example of censorship but like the stuff on itch some of it may get reinstated may get reinstated by the time relisted rather by the time we you know by the time

this goes live or whatever i don't know it's still up in the air um i wouldn't count on it because like these are some of these people are like queer marginalized devs who like that few hundred dollars a month that they make off of whatever like a you know a visual novel about like romance between furries or whatever the fuck it is like that it makes or breaks people's livelihood like that could like totally change the trajectory of someone's life and they are not doing anything illegal they're not doing anything immoral it is even even as an artist even if you're not making money off it it's

going to be life -changing to have put poured yourself into that piece of work only for you know some arbitrary mechanism of of morality to decide that it is not worthy of the same visibility as other art especially for marginalized people is probably a incredibly you know stinging sore point yeah for sure and like a lot of these groups who push for censorship of things like this they're it's they masquerade as like this is the protection of women and children because that is you know like the classic think of the children shit but i the end goal again i can't read these people's minds but just

going based on like the the activity of these organizations in the past and the sentiment expressed by people who are involved with them there is a lot of like anti -gay and anti -trans sentiment expressed by these people publicly and without shame and it it seems to me that the end goal of this is to push as far as they can cutting against what they view as degenerate and i think that like it is so easy for them to label queer life at large as a as a sexualized to sexualize all queer existence and to to label all queer existence as sexualization is to put it all up for grabs as like pornographic

to say that like being gay in public is somehow an act that is like that's what they do children at risk to say that i mean this is it goes into like the trans bathroom stuff to say that like trans people's right to use the bathroom that corresponds to their gender is somehow endangering children and so to to see an organization doing this with this is a layup for them and to to allow payment processors to allow this to go through is to open the door for way more egregious shit to happen and i think that itches sort of the canary in the coal mine for this because so many things were delisted that are like

totally innocuous i just played lovely lady rpg it was a beautiful piece of art it's one of my favorite games of this year and not for a moment i mean it's like a game that has like smutty and horny elements to it but it's not a game that is trafficking in illegality it is a game like sexuality is part of of humanity to to say that like to repress that and say that all all artistry that deals in sexuality is degenerate somehow, is to, like, is to deny who we are.

And if you go back to Nazi Germany, they had a, they had a, uh, a museum of degenerate art, and it sort of, it was sort of, like, let's put all this degenerate art here, people can come look at it and be like, oh, it's disgusting, and it backfired, because people were so intrigued by it, they're like, oh, fucking, this is way more interesting than the, like, you know, painting painting of der fuhrer where he's like saluting and it's like oh this is very German and it's like yeah it's very German but it's fucking boring compared to the like you know abstract painting of a woman's breasts or whatever

the fuck you know like it's just it's it's this labeling as degenerate anything sexual is is just this fucking it's a it's a wedge that driven as far as these people would like to take it will lead to you know the criminalization of of existing for certain types of marginalized people yeah yeah my fear with this sort of stuff is is is that in in years past because these people have unfortunately sort of always existed like in our lifetime and and prior to that and they will continue to exist and one of the nice parts of being our general age at least me maybe on the older side is that like for most

of my life the west has been moving in a progressive manner um and obviously we're in this weird spot now where not only are the uh you know the right wing nut balls getting enough attention and and and you know super right wing conservatives are conservatives but like what's going on at the moment is completely insane but also you have especially on the trans issues you have established um you know center left folks over here like the democrats like even this week buddha judge said some fucking stupid shit about it yeah like they're they're balking they're like they're they're scared to touch

it and so any opportunity i i agree any opportunity to stand up for this stuff and to push them back as as far as possible um i'm i'm all for and i'm really proud of the you know that you see people talking about calling up visa and and they're saying oh yeah we're getting inundated at the moment and the thing as well that you've touched on very eloquently that really scares me and sort of alongside the world becoming more progressive is this this this uh sort of late capitalism um consolidation of everything where you know the arbiter of like even this video we've talked about a lot of stuff

on this video that youtube you know if we were monetizing this or whatever would decide is not something that you can do you know what i mean like um spotify i'm sure has their own version of this and it's far from the fact that they're squeezing the money piper as tight as they can you know that that's also a single like them and itunes probably or apple music whatever it's called showing how old i am itunes and they are you know responsible for all that in china you have you know entire sort of mechanisms of the internet are under government watch and censorship laws that are even even more

constrained. And that's that's a worry, because like you said, even if it's not like intentional, even if it's just this byproduct of bureaucracy and and difficult, you know, difficulty in a world in which we don't have large government like public funded, you know, and they can be bureaucratic, too.

But you you have entities that are there paid by your taxes to protect you from this stuff and to stop corporations or large companies or whatever it is from sort of taking de facto ownership over these laws.

Like these companies don't really want to be, a lot of them don't, some of them do for some stuff.

A lot of them don't want to have to deal with this stuff because their main interest is just making money.

So they don't, it's just, it falls upon them because of the situation we're in as well.

Well and a lot of this to me is because we just don't have like government institutions.

Like how is it still that like the internet archive is a non -profit you know.

There's like it's just crazy like especially over here I feel like just coming from a much more sort of thick social democracy in Ireland.

So much of like how things are run here are just run by companies who own everything.

Like all the ski resorts now are owned by two companies.

All the electrical grids are owned by like one company in the state.

It's just bananas. And obviously when it comes to art and things like that, which we have, we should have democratic means to establish and lobby and argue what we think is acceptable and unacceptable and what we think is good for kids and not good for kids.

Because we do have consensus on some of that stuff.

We have 15 movies and PG movies and all that sort of stuff, right?

We have sensible laws around this stuff if we can figure it out.

But without government institutions to do that sort of stuff and to react and change the culture yeah we're stuck in this situation where it's basically it comes down to emails being sent between fucking companies you know it's like fucking stupid it's totally that's that is the the core of this is that like there needs to be some sort of extremely hyper transparent publicly funded organ if we want to you know if we don't want to live in a society that's like hyper libertarian everything is permissible you can make a fucking kill all these people video game or you can make a movie called hatred

yeah you could make hatred or you can make the movie equivalent of hatred and it's shown at like fucking your local cinemagic down the block or whatever and like kids can watch it kids can watch it if we don't want to live in that world there needs to be a a mutually agreed upon solution to the problem and a mutually agreed upon solution within the absence of that solution it leads it up it leaves it up to payment processors and people like that private corporations to make these decisions and And so, yeah, there needs to be some sort of, like, organization that does this and talks about these things,

has a set of guidelines.

And then if they make a decision that the public is totally against, there needs to be, you know, a route for conversations to be opened about those sorts of things.

But the way it currently is is just, like, a bootstrap solution to a problem that we have not created mechanisms to solve.

It's very frustrating.

reading also this is the last thing i'd like to say if you have heard all of this and you're like what the fuck can i do uh call stripe call mastercard call visa call paybell do not fucking email them because they'll filter the shit out of you uh there's an aclu petition that i can pull a link for we can put it in the description for this um there's a website that people are posting that i have not been to called yell at dot money uh i've i've seen reputable people post it so i trust it but it has everything you need all the numbers you would want to uh to send the mail physical mail if you want

to send it to an address your local or regional phone number to contact all of the payment processors yeah it's great and don't fucking harass anyone don't like dox anyone if you when you if you threaten no matter how dog shit these people are a collective shout in my opinion don't fucking give them ammunition to use against you don't like go on twitter and say horrible shit to them do you know come correct if you want to if you want to have a position of like what we are doing has some sort of like moral and philosophical legitimacy you know act like an adult good shout i have not called i used

to work at a call center calling call centers is like my vietnam so but i'm going to i'm going to i didn't know sending letters was available so i'm going to send some letters um hilariously three of them are within like driving distance of here um or striper based in sf it was founded by two isles yeah sorry i was thinking of square sorry oh yeah yeah right i always got the two i was confused too because they're basically yeah same fucking thing yeah yeah um paypal is based in san jose visa is based in foster city mastercard is based in the town of purchase come on no shit really that's that's

i was like did they name it after mastercard like is it the biggest it's like it doesn't seem like it seems seems like a place purchase new york that's not crazy that's nuts um i guess the last thing i would like to say is that i would find it shocking if you are someone who's like incredibly far right and has listened to this and gotten this far without being like this guy needs to shut up let me turn this off but if if you are if you like even in a world where you don't care about artists inherently or you don't care care about people who are queer or like whatever if you're in some position where this is like

purely for your own benefit and you just like love video games or whatever i don't think anyone like that is listening but just to make the point like this does not stop at the the labeling as obscene of queer life it also is like you know any video game where violence occurs that has a woman in it would fall under sort of like obscenity like tomb raider grand theft auto like you i fucking i will be shocked if collective shout aren't up in arms when grand theft auto 6 comes out oh yeah so like forget about yeah i I mean, if you care about video games as a medium, not being totally hamstringed

by people who don't care about video games, then this should concern you.

Yeah. And like it's one thing I always if I'm having a conversation with like somebody who's who's more conservative leaning about sort of liberal reaction is to this sort of stuff, because a lot of it, I think, is under the guise of, oh, you're just like reacting because of the thing that you like and you're not protecting other.

it's not like there's like this massive like liberal force trying to like stop hunting games because you know lefty people think cruelty against animals is bad or like games with guns in them because they want gun control like you have to understand that like this is a particular type of overreach that has like a particular usually based in some sort of faith group or or you know something it usually is not necessarily the issue or it goes beyond the desires of one group who have an issue with another person's thing that they're into you know what i mean like it's not like everyone around the world

is trying to like bat it's not like liberals around the world are trying to ban joe rogan you know what i mean like it's like i list i'm sure there are some but like it's not it's not like it's the bit you know what i mean whereas whereas I I think like that type of what's funny to your point by the way they did get Andrew Tate's stuff off of Spotify collective shout oh yeah so maybe they're on both sides of it I did that's that is like to Danny's point though yeah exactly like unfortunately if you are principled about like how if censorship is going to happen how it should happen or like if there

are certain things that are you know you don't think should be broadcast to millions of of people or having some sort of like societal or cultural harm then like yeah just just because it's like in in a direction that you like does not necessarily mean you should be like oh fucking totally damn maybe maybe these people are good actually maybe video games are too violent yeah like if that group started to say like it like for yeah like or if like you'll notice it with sometimes with like peter like peter is a group that like a lot of liberal people do not like vibe with like in some ways right

when they get like really milton to bed like really weird stuff or maybe you do or whatever you know what i mean but like there's there's there's like specific ones like if they were like if peter were trying to like i suspect at one stage they started they wanted big buck hunter to be banned or something you know what i mean like just something that's like completely like overreach probably almost being done just for For the publicity sake of it, that type of thing.

The fact that this group has a wins column, of course, that's what they're going to be doing.

It is like the worst person you know has goods.

Yeah, that bald guy, the meme.

I feel bad for whoever that guy is.

He really looks like my wife's brother.

Oh, really? Yeah. Every time you see him, you're like, oh, it's the worst guy I know.

There he is again. man.

Hey, there he is. One one final example, just to like sort of contextualize this and something else that I think is relevant is that like, with ICE deportations in the United States currently, there are a lot of these are done sort of like without due process.

They're just like snatching people up and sending them off.

And it's like, even if you are someone who is so anti -immigration and like truly believes against all of the data that immigrants are the cause for all of these like, you know, economic issues that we're facing, even if you truly believe that you should still be in favor of due process, because just because the wind is blowing one direction right now, like imagine, imagine if you will, your worst nightmare government, that's like, you know, we need to round up everyone who's ever listened to Joe Rogan and ships them off to an island.

It's like, I've had these exact arguments, man.

These guys are at a point.

They're at a point where that doesn't even work anymore.

I don't, I don't know what to say.

I have had multiple arguments with people close to me personally about that exact thing i don't know if there's a dub i agree that maybe they should be able to look inward and say there is historical precedent for letting this happen but for whatever reason they just they where they get their news from and the way that they've contextualized everything and the way that they assume every position from someone who disagrees with them is not just a disagreement it's like a flat -out lie the way that they've been tricked is like terrifying it's it's honestly depressing pressing every time i go through

it yeah yeah but what else can you do you can't yeah you got to keep banging the drum until they eventually move on but like they it's it's like sunk sunk in cost fallacy right they like they can't once they say now he's wrong everything he said before that is wrong to them and their whole life is a lie and everything comes crumbling down around them it's yeah and i think it does crumble i think that's the thing is like time makes fools of us all yeah and i think ultimately like that's the reason why like the tea party doesn't exist anymore and i I mean, a lot of the stuff evolves and changes

and stuff, but like even Fox has to change its lie to catch up with the latest thing.

Yeah, exactly. But yeah, I think, yeah, the Ice stuff is, yeah, I'm particularly - It's disgusting.

Yeah. Yeah. It's crazy.

It's crazy to think people are, yeah, all about, I mean, now you have a bunch of people who think they're the most American person in the world who sympathize with the Third Reich. So yeah, so, you know, interesting times.

collective shout should should shut off the payment process to the white house until they release the fsteam files that's all i got is that the island that they're going to bring all those people onto the collective shout island oh my god that's what they should do that's what everyone should do this should be like they should have our own island look look the mormons figured it out yeah they got their spot unfortunately every sort of religious group since then or cults i'm um uh has uh has has has tried out and failed because there's no more free real estate still you know it's good show if jared

leto can do it it can't be that hard what did he do did he make his own like he's got his weirdo island yep leto leto land leto land i've been there it's in san diego right frank you've been a little leto land there's lego land yeah actually there's a rock star san diego is right next to lego land wow what does it mean it's all connected shit i did want to say collective shout should have their headquarters in the center of australia where it's uninhabitable yes i'll just go hang out there yes no internet there's no resources no waters and then it's perfect yeah and then they could flood it have you

ever seen that thing there's like a plan not a plan but there's like a like a an idea to like apparently the center of australia used to have a big ocean in it it's like a basin like like a significant chunk of like eastern australia so there was like this idea to just re -flood it because it's all just fucking empty like south of darwin is just like you know a hundred thousand people live on like three thousand miles of land or something it's just ridiculous so yeah there's like a it's like it's like the it's like the damming the mediterranean thing you know when they're like oh if we dam the mediterranean we

can't build a bridge across it but if we dam it um i don't think you can build a dam either it's too much seismic activity but they're like i think the the third reich actually i think was had a had a plan or an idea or something that they could drop the water level they'd make a bunch more land damn rare nazi dub hey you know what happened though is it would have made the the crossing easier from africa and then they'd be annoyed again you know what i mean oh shit raise the water you know and then they flood marseille and you know hey there's your wolfenstein sequel idea right there make that happen

they bring back tangia they slam all the continents back oh it's such a good idea yeah we all go back that sounds like an indiana jones thing is that not the plot of the great circle that's the ending is they're like we're bringing back pangea and i've got a magic device i have done it we are doing it we're bringing it back could you do that in like age of empires like make make a pangea map but keep the countries where they were and they were like fuck shit we're all on top of each other now and they have to fight each other if you can that'd be a great rate uh any austin youtube video for that's

his name right yeah any austin yeah yeah you could do how accurate is pangea and age of empires 2 will the world get along when pangea is back all right let's get out of this uh payment processor fiasco who knows what's happened in the three days since maybe maybe i sound even more psychotic than i usually do um what else to talk about we do have uh do you want to give us a little bit of a taster of your animana gucci adventures frank oh yeah um so it was comic -con weekends uh and uh like a week or two before i got a message from peter he was like hey we're gonna be in socal if you're around which was awesome

because like you're who peter bergman from animana gucci yeah the the um frank frank was telling me about doing this animana gucci thing and i think it took like the fourth meeting to him for for me to realize that he is actual friends with the band i was like oh you want to cover this thing cool yeah do it and then it's like oh you actually know them personally for like over a decade i did not know frank how do you have can i saw you made a fucking math the band music video i i used to go to math the band shows in like high school oh wow at vfw halls and like oh my god i i think i saw i saw math

the band play a vfw hall in massachusetts like outside boston so no shit wait do you remember what town i'm sorry it was outside boston it would have been like 2009 2010 i forget 2008 okay no worries i don't know i i might i wonder that'd be fucking insane if we were at like yeah i mean honestly maybe maybe i used to fly to new york city to see like anamona gucci and math the band and so and i have footage like i was going through my old hard drives and i have like whatever so um yeah anamona gucci so i talk about this a lot lot with my friend like dominique like so we we uh she used to run a record

store in long beach but like in like 2006 there was like the aquabats message board community which was such a charming like thing so it was like all these like in orange county all the ska kids had their message board we'd all go to aquabat shows but we hang out in lines and talk about other bands like this was me my gateway to getting to like devo and older bands but like we were all just like it was just music nerds like trying to find the most weirdest esoteric bands and one of my friends in line were like oh dude you should check out this band animonaguchi they make like nintendo music whatever

this is like 2006 but like that was my like inception into chiptune um and so like same thing math the band did chip like back then people call like nintendo punk whatever uh so like chiptune music so yeah i just like listened to animonaguchi's first album power supply that they put online for free just mp3s back when people still manually sing songs to their ipods so so like um yeah when they joined twitter i was like one of their first twitter followers and being like whoa i love anamanaguchi uh and then they got basically like when pax was starting out they were like the headlining band of pax

every year for like five years i used to go to pax with mega 64 and so like i would just see them all the time at the conventions and then through the math band connections another east coast like chiptune punk band i was just again the scene wasn't that big there weren't that many fans everyone knew each other and so like i was just friends with them but being able to personally introduce myself at like packs and stuff and um yeah then i would like fly to new york city just anytime they would do shows not anytime but a few times um to do shows together so i've been friends with on monoguchi like

yeah i was saying this to danny like nowadays on monoguchi is pretty big because like in i don't know when scott pilgrim the game came out 2015 uh earlier than that i think i was living in england or oh my god 2010 is when the game came out that's insane 15 years ago man that's wild okay so uh 2010 is when the scott pilgrim game came out and that's when they really blew like that's when they blew up they've since toured with it done record all that stuff then the scott pilgrim tv show came out they did music for that whatever they also did a song with hatsune miku for and that song was put in fortnite tiktok

like so they've since blown up anyways um yeah so i got an email from peter being like hey hey, we're doing a show for comic con, come on down.

And then they announced everything.

Like, surprise, Amanoguchi's doing a free show for comic con.

They also announced that they were doing a free show at a skate shop.

So yeah, it was the dual thing.

It was like, well, I'm gonna try to get a ticket for this, but also can I just get it on guest list?

And they're very sweet and like, yeah, no problem.

So I saw them down at comic con and that was a very like, it was still like a kind of a DIY show, but it was at House of Blues.

It was very much like tied with the new tribute game, Scott Pilgrim game that they had a panel for and they showed gameplay footage that's coming at next next year 2026 but it was still a very like almost like E3 corporate gig of like hey we're on a Gucci here's Scott Pilgrim music but also like it's good a good mix of stuff um even at that show like Brian Lee O'Malley was there the comic book author which like okay this is an anecdote I'll share it kind of like maybe bum me out a tiny bit so I met Brian Lee O'Malley first first time ever talking to him everyone is there getting uh scott pilgrim

stuff signed and i was getting something autographed and got a picture and i was like oh hey i really like the last volume of snot girl and he was like oh thanks i haven't heard much praise the last the last issue of snot girl which volume four just wrapped ended with and that's the last single issue of snot girl we are losing money printing this comic we can't keep making this comic book anymore we are sorry dude so uh in a year or two we might have another volume but maybe be kickstart or whatever we are losing money in this comic it's over so like volume four of snot girl came and went and no one

bought it no one i was buying it every week so when i when i met brian lee o'malley i was like hey i like this book he was like oh thanks like i was like oh no it's good that makes me really sad i was reading the fuck out of snot girl for like the longest time and i stopped around volume four so that's yeah brutal yeah yeah so so so not not to like not to like magnify like a like again we're charting it as a win of what the what's it called uh australian collective shout whatever it's uh no like but so that was just like i guess there's a reminder i don't know but i like snot girl but uh i and um

i don't know that was a side but it was it was funny to meet a comic creator and just be like oh no i i didn't like that so you did the thing you did the thing you said i like and here insert obscure thing here like all these normies he thought it was good he liked it he thought it was yeah yeah but but like if i when i met david cage and i was like this before i yeah you know hi david cage i love love you yeah you should do that danny you should do that i was like yeah man let's talk about omicron the nomad oh my god whoa deep cut yeah jesus fahrenheit indigo yeah um whatever so so the uh san diego

show was fun after with my friend jordan jones we went we did ddr round one again the life hack go to any round one at midnight it's empty um and then otter monoguchi sunday and fullerton played a skate shop called program uh which was awesome so this was a diy show at a skate shop um it was the first time they had done like an indie diy show since like 2010 when they meltdown comics also brian leo maley was also in attendance at that meltdown show 15 years ago and um so for me like that's the band i've always known not like the band that's now touring and doing like they're playing the wiltern

and a few like which is like one of la's like premiere like concert venues and stuff like that and like I'm so used to seeing them in like dingy New York basements and stuff and so it was cool to see like the old band again um and but even after the show is insane because like so many people came up getting stuff signed a spectrum of like Scott Pilgrim stuff old Onomou Noguchi stuff Hatsune Miku stuff and it was like like even Peter like I I got grabbed an interview and I'll put this in the thing but like he was saying like yeah we don't really know who our fans are anymore because we've been

around for so long but people know know people know us from different slices like i have a bunch of friends that we were all like part of that original like chiptune wave of like again trading mp3s and in like oh have you heard of chibi tech they're a musician from japan they're making crazy stuff like all this stuff and then the scott pilgrim era fans which i think it was their biggest splash then it had sunimiku and then even now they're on a record label called polyvinyl which is like like the 824 of music so there's people who are jumping into them just because of like the the record label

so it's like oh it's so weird but yeah to me it's like oh it's just peter ari luke and james but it's like oh yeah you were filming stuff down there right yeah so i i filmed their entire show i got little interviews and little things so i want to cut together kind of like the jet set radio video uh just a little like i don't know it's it's it's uh yeah it was a really cool show and i was happy to like and lucky to have even captured it it was funny i was also looking at my footage from like 2011 cameras are so much better now like even the sound quality on my camera was good compared i I look

at 2010 footage and it's like completely dark.

The audio is horrible, but it's still kind of cool that it exists.

But, um, but yeah, it was, it was fun catching up with them and then grabbing a little interview in, in advance of their new record, new tour and new Scott poker mean coming out soon.

Yeah. I'll have something on, uh, Anna Managucci related up on the new channel.

Um, in a little bit.

Um, also speaking of old footage, Frank is working on a, uh, some DDR related videos too.

And, you found some interesting footage in your archive.

oh yeah yeah so so uh yeah I've digitized like half of my dad's tapes and I and I have like maybe 90 seconds of it but like yeah my dad recorded like my 10th or 11th birthday party at an arcade and I have footage of me playing Dance Dance Revolution at like 10 or 11 years old so it's like oh my god that's amazing so so that's why it's like right no so that's so like and and even like with this old Onomaguchi footage it's like oh I have so much like just random footage of stuff that's like oh I'm excited to like just have a have a home for and share with people it's awesome and in honest like i

won't feature this but like i separately i also want to go to japan and film stuff but as you guys were having the whole like uh what was collective shout conversation it was like there is just stores in akihabara that sells porn games do not tell collective shout do not come for japan do not tell them about japan next man they emailed them about the they got the one payment processor they're gonna go for japan next really the whole time they're talking about like i'm just like guys if you've stepped into the akihabara like there's just giant buildings that sell oh they don't care about any of it

so you can buy whatever there's there's it's don't tell the goals and don't tell them yeah don't don't tell them about umamuse man they're gonna lose it exactly yeah take my art away from me uh good stuff uh that's uh we're called out of podcast we got some emails let's knock them into i've i've i'm recording an interview in 15 minutes so i have to i have to get out of here um pronto uh for something you don't know about everybody he'll be hearing about that pretty soon um the games this week we had uh and roger cypher zero mavericks with what's his name matt jones matt jones thank you good chat um

without a dawn mario kart world death stranding 2 um and i'm out of gucci and of course we talked talked about the itch and steam stuff which um yeah hopefully i'm gonna say i'm gonna send me some letters today that's gonna be fun snail mail maybe i'll put some like white powder in them or something you know really don't joke about that you're too popular you're gonna go to super prison and i take that back i take that back i just like to give people gifts of talcum powder maybe freshen up their day it's just cocaine on the island they're gonna put you on the island don't put me on the island put

me me on the deftones white pony islands that'll be good that'll be a good time um what else uh oh yeah we have uh we've some indie recommendation stuff coming we're going to be recording later this week so we don't they're they won't be up until next week probably just because of the timing of those releases we do have the uh wheel world indie recommendation video up on the second channel of course make sure you check out jesse's awesome five fantastic indie games ideal for summer he's working on another one which is going to be all about uh the games from the first half of the year that you

missed out on that are really sick and deserve some more love excellent good time of year to be doing it right in the middle of the year um and then like i said the second episode of our how games are made series is up now it's all about trees um so you can go check that one out and uh yeah we'll have a bunch more stuff the patron show went up and it sort of details all of 2025 i'm gonna put a video up on noclip in the next uh week which is going to be basically this is what 2025 looks like in terms of releases um because almost everything's in post -production we're filming one other thing for the rest

of the year but apart from that everything is stuff that got filmed either this year or last year that were over the year before that were um that were working through so i'm gonna put up a video to basically just explain yep this is what's coming out now for the next five months six months so um go check those out um yeah and uh and that's it for the moment um if you are listening to this and you have any feelings about any of this stuff we don't talk about news all that often but if you have any um insight yourself or or you feel like you want to retort anything um by all means podcasts at noclip

.video as well um we don't tend to talk about new stuff on here there's kind of enough enough podcasts talking about new stuff but sometimes the news fucking breaks into our garden and we have to chase it out with a with a broomstick um so uh yeah we're it's it's good to talk about this stuff when um and discuss it whenever it comes up uh of course um all right i think that's it did i forget anything i don't think so this week oh did you say that the trees doc is out trees is up there you go oh my god i do that i did didn't i no i don't remember going like this oh my god i didn't you're right i

didn't i'm so sorry everyone i'm so sorry should we should we put them on here or can we do the do it fast garasha flippers reverse and you can stick it in the top no you you you rapid fire it right now you own you own it okay let's let's do it, maybe the music will play and it'll feel real cool, we're gonna go thanks to all of our incredible Battle Pass holders, and to Frank Howdy for remembering it, Lovepreet, Ute Dwayne the Rock Lobster Anthony Thomas, Nico Positteri It's -a -me Ferrario Senator Armstrong, Reed Reg Harry Flanagan, Joosh Arno, Matt Pearson, James Brown, Mark Rojas Cabernicus,

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It's fine. Just so you know, Jacob, I do little prayer hands when he says your name he does entheogen james med tohir tilliev and ricin thank you all so much i was actually chatting to jacob on dms only yesterday so i know he i know he listens i think he's a couple episodes behind sometimes though so maybe maybe he'll listen to this in the future so welcome to the future i hope it's good out here jacob i haven't i hope they haven't taken down all the games off of itch and steam i have all those games i need to play on my hidden list like the seven realms terran and steps of debauchery maybe we'll

do some indie recommendations nope all right can we do indie like don't recommend where we play a game we're like i don't know about this one guys that'd be good we should do that for like our april fool's day or something you know just put the anti -document i was saying we should have the not safe for mastercard collection that's really good that's really good instead of the master chief collection section we'll do the master nice and it's all the games they won't let you buy but that could be jesse's next indie uh recommendation i wanted to do that but i was like i don't know if that that's

like that's coming in swing i love that yeah i think that's hilarious do it with itch games and not with the steve 100 you're gonna have a tough time if you want to do that if you if you want to do that knock yourself out all right you can yeah if you want to postpone the other one or do them together i that's hilarious but we have to call it the not safe for master or the mastercard collection or whatever i think that would be hilarious that'd be great we should do it that's a great idea because then we should do it with the games that like are got taken down that we think are brilliant yeah

they got that got shadow banned that we think are really good like what jeremy what was the one you were talking about lovely lady rpg exactly there you go yeah 100 that's a all right it's great all right it's great coming soon watch out to give you more work but no hey that's I wanted to do that so that's great that it's been announced live on the internet for everyone to hear yeah exactly I've said it now it's it's it's uh that's that's law right it has to it's speaking it's got spoken into existence now we have to we have to do that um we're going to be doing some weird stuff with a new channel

soon so uh you know keep your eyes peeled for that uh youtube .com slash noclip2 patreon .com slash noclip2 keep keep changing and everything we're keeping you jumping all over the place keeping you guys keeping you guys uh on your toes we'll have more to say about that uh in the not too distant um but uh until then yeah more docs coming out we have all the have i announced uh we have some stuff from sweden coming out next month we have three documentaries from the the from some some some some developers in upsala sweden uh who hate nazis so we should uh look forward to that folks uh they'll be

coming out in the next uh yeah a few weeks i guess i'm jumping through them at the moment so yeah and then a bunch more cool stuff from uh my friends in in estonia after that uh all right until the next time folks have a good weekend have a good week and we'll see you next time bye For more information, visit www .fema .org

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