From the brains behind Brains On, it's Smash Boom Best. The show for people with big opinions.
Hi, I'm Molly Bloom, and this is Smash Boom Best, the show where we take two things, smash them together, and ask you to decide which one is best. Today's debate is an epic battle between two legendary characters, Frankenstein's Monster versus Frosty the Snowman.
We've got theater maker Shannon Custer here to champion the misunderstood man -made marble Frankenstein's Monster.
Kids good, fire bad.
Let's Monster mashems. And student and actor, and the first ever former SmashBoomBestJudge to be a grownup debater, Kate Wexler is here to fight for the frozen fellow, team Frosty the Snowman.
Thumpity Thump Thump.
Who's that jolly happy soul?
Well, it's Frosty the Snowman!
And these debaters aren't just fierce competitors, they're family.
In a Smash Boom best first, this mother -daughter duo is facing off to discover if science or snow will win the day.
And here to judge it all is Tiger from Rochester, New York.
Tiger loves to play trumpet and percussion, has a deep passion for storytelling and recently started interning at a planetarium.
Hi, Tiger! Hoot, hoot!
Insert jazz hands here.
So, Tiger, I'm guessing since you work at the Planetarium you like space?
Oh yeah, definitely.
Astronomy is my sphere of science.
So what do you love about space?
There's so much speculation, I guess.
It's not even remotely close to something that already happens.
I know it sounds really cheesy but the Fermi Paradox, which explains why we haven't found any aliens yet, and the Kardashev scale, which is like, ranking one through five civilizations.
And it's like, really interesting.
Think of what could be out there from a different perspective.
Like if we were ants, humans might as well be aliens, you know?
Yeah, that's really, really cool.
So you've been a judge for us before.
Do you have any advice for our debators today?
References. It's all about the references.
Well Tiger side with Shannon or Kate?
Only time will tell, but first, here are the rules of the game.
Every debate consists of 4 rounds.
The Declaration of Greatness, the micro round, the sneak attack and the final 6.
After each round, our judge Tiger will award points to the team that impresses him the most, but he'll keep his decisions top secret until the end of the debate.
Listeners, we want you to judge, too.
Mark down your points as As you listen, at the end of the show, head to our website, SmashBoom .org, and vote for whichever team you think won.
OK, Shannon, Kate, and Tiger.
Are you ready? Oh yeah.
Ready, ready, ready.
Yes, yes, yes. Yeah.
Then it's time for the Declaration of Greatness.
In this round, our debaters will present a well -crafted immersive argument in favor of their side.
Then, they'll each have 30 seconds to rebut their opponent's statements.
We flipped a coin, and Shannon, you're up first. Tell us what makes Frankenstein's monster so unforgettable.
Being a monster is really hard. People are always yelling at you, chasing you, and trying to show you the error of your ways.
It's kind of like being a kid, but monsters have something kids don't have. Monster support groups.
Hello? You know me Frankenstein's monster or Frankenstein for short?
Hi Frankenstein! Scientists make me and now people hate me.
What did me ever do to people?
Blah. Hey, it's okay.
You're great. You're the strongest wolfman.
Blah. Yeah, Dracula's right.
You're super smart like the creature from the Black Lagoon.
And immortal like Dracula.
In fact, you might be the greatest monster there is.
Really? Yes, Frankenstein, you're the biggest, smartest, strongest monster in the world.
But you know what else you are?
What? Blah, you're also the kindest. Oh, you monsters.
So nice. How sweet.
Who knew monsters were so in touch with their feelings?
Well, I did, because I've read the original Frankenstein.
The book came out way back in 1818.
It tells the tale of a monster who was persecuted just for existing.
It's a touching story, but more than that, it's also the starting point for all science fiction, a .k .a.
the greatest genre of all time.
It all starts with Mary Shelley.
She was on vacation with her husband and a friend, and they had a contest to see who could write the scariest story.
Okay Mary, what did you write?
A most chilling account of a man built out of the limbs of the dead.
His decaying flesh awaken through the workings of science and technology.
Once alive, he must grapple with his own wretched humanity.
Okay, but, does he stand there, with a corn -cup -pipe and a button nose and two eyes made out of coal?
He does not. Mary Shelley combined wild fantasy with cutting -edge scientific ideas from her time to make a new type of story.
Since then, we've enjoyed more than a century of incredible science fiction.
Star Wars? Thank Frankenstein.
The Avengers? Thank Frankenstein.
Transformers? Oh, wait, let me check my notes.
We got psych. Thank Frankenstein.
["The Star -Spangled Banner"] Deep down, Frankenstein just wants love.
But because he's so different, and people hate and fear him.
And can't we all relate to feeling different, to feeling misunderstood?
As a mom, I got to say, I can also relate to the creator, Doctor Frankenstein.
A well -intentioned person creating a misunderstood monster who's afraid of pitchforks, and apparently calling her own mother.
Frankenstein is such a good story, we keep creating new versions of it.
Did you know there are over 180 Frankenstein inspired movies?
That's way more than the number of Frosty movies.
For tonight's Frankenstein movie night, I thought we could watch Young Frankenstein, Frankenstein the College Years, and then The Bride of Frankenstein.
Hey mom, can we watch the Christmas movie?
Sure. Let's watch the Munsters Scary Little Christmas featuring Frankenstein.
Wow. That guy is in a lot of movies.
People love Frankenstein's monster because he's innocent, strong and curious.
You can put this guy in any situation and have a great time.
There's chills, thrills and also humanity.
The monster feels deeply and that makes us feel for him.
That's why he stood the test of time and why I love him.
you Love me Well, yeah, you're one of the greats Thank you Shannon have hug That's that's a little tight Oh Ah, that's a big good monster hug!
We all love Frankenstein.
Tiger, what stood out to you about Shannon's declaration of greatness?
Welp, the beginning with the Monster Support Group was the beginning of Wreck -It Ralph and I absolutely loved that.
Any facts you learned about Frankenstein that stood out to you?
Uh, yeah. I didn't know Mary Shelley's friend thought Frosty was so scary.
Okay Kate it is time for your rebuttal.
Tell us why Frankenstein's Monster is just an imposter.
You've got 30 seconds and your time starts now.
Okay so one thing that stood out to me was that Frankenstein doesn't give the best hugs but guess who does?
Frosty and I mean you know Frankenstein I know he's misunderstood and whatnot but he scares people he's scary.
But you know I know he He has a heart, butt, frosty, all wholesome, little, you know, he's like handy he's sweet.
That's not Neil Frankenstein.
I had a point. Okay, yeah, here's the thing.
Hugs, have you tried to hug Snow?
It's just, it's like it turns into a puddle quicker than you can, it's just wet.
And there's nothing worse than being like, I'm wet and I'm cold and I don't know what's happening.
Yeah. Alright, Kate.
It is your turn. Tell us why Frosty the snowman is a winter wonder.
I could go on and on about how much I love Frosty the Snowman.
And I will! But first, I reached out to an expert who knows Frosty better than anyone.
She sent me this audio clip.
Is this thing on? Are we rolling?
Oh, hello there. It's me, Crystal.
As you can see, I am made of snow.
I'm from the 1976 animated sequel to Frosty the Snowman, Frosty's Winter Wonderland.
Spoiler alert, we get married in the end.
I'm talking quietly because my little sweetie is taking his afternoon snow nap.
Frosty works so hard bringing joy and magic to children during the day that he gets tuckered out in the afternoons.
Now, I know my Frosty would easily win any debate, especially one against an underachieving loner monster, but let's not belabor that fact!
There are many other fun points to focus on, like he's not just Frosty the snowman, but also Frosty the kind man, the good man.
He's brave despite facing challenges like melting in warm weather or having to stand up to troublemakers like Jack Frost. No matter what, Frosty never gives up.
He may be cold in temperature, but he sure is warm in heart.
Oop! That's him. I better bring him his afternoon snack, a snowflake surprise.
It's a bowl of snow with a surprise inside!
The surprise is more snow.
Ta -ta now! Wow, what a treat to hear from Mrs. Frosty herself!
Frosty the Snowman comes from a song written in the 1950s.
It's all about a snowman who comes to life when children place a magical hat on his head.
Frosty the Snowman was a jolly happy soul With a corn cob pipe and a button nose And his eyes made out of coal Frosty the snowman Man!
that song slaps! Fun fact the song never mentions Christmas.
Frosty is a secular hero but he's often associated with the spirit of Christmas because he's all about winter magic, wonder and optimism.
He teaches us to look for magic in everyday moments such as a beautiful snowflake landing on your sleeve or snuggling under a warm fuzzy scarf on a He shows us how to be in the moment, he's not worrying about how he's going to melt one day.
He's having fun, now!
He doesn't panic and get upset when he starts to melt.
He just calmly says, I'll be back again someday.
What great life lessons!
I'd hate to see what lessons kids are getting from Frankenstein.
Hey mom, school was great today.
We read this long morbid book called Frankenstein.
I learned so much. Now I can stitch body parts together, use grunt -based communication, and fashion a wonderful set of neck bolts.
But I get it horror can be fun.
Lucky for you our man frosty has range.
There's a slasher movie called Frosty for you gore fans.
If you're in the rom -com type, try 2024's hit Hot Frosty, where a snowman comes to life as a sizzlin' hunk who teaches a town to believe in love again.
Babe, I may be made of snow, but you're the one makin' me melt.
But nothing beats the 1969 Frosty cartoon, which I watch with my mom every year.
You know, my mom, Shannon, the woman I'm debating today.
The woman who loves Christmas so much that she goes wild every year with decorations.
Santa's, Holly, Rudolph's from floor to ceiling.
And each year, without fail, she delicately places her beloved Frosty ornament on the tree.
It's thanks to her and Frosty that I still find myself in wide -eyed wonderment every Christmas season.
Gosh, Mom, I'm trying hard to think if we've ever watched Frankenstein together or read a page from it or even talked about it at all.
Hmm, it's like that story never mattered to you?
Hmm, interesting. Anyway, Frosty rules.
So, a heartwarming declaration of greatness for a cold little fella.
All right, Tiger, what did you think about Kate's argument?
Any moments stand out?
Sorry, practicing my grump -based communication.
Okay. I'm not gonna lie, we've never even talked about Frankenstein.
That's kind of a red flag.
Okay. Shannon, it's time for your rebuttal.
Tell us why Frosty the Snowman is really like, no, man, you've got 30 seconds and go!
I've been protecting you, Kate.
If you look at the source material and, Tiger, you wanted references.
Because if you look at this particular song, he's not great with these kids.
He makes them chase him, and he holds a broom, and then he takes him into the village and leaves him with a traffic cop.
And the whole time they know that any minute he's just gonna melt.
What a horrible day!
Anytime there's sun or warmth, he's not gonna be around, he can't do anything indoors.
He is a dark, cold creature that is going to eventually melt.
And time. He's also a smoker.
Alright Tiger, it is time to award some points.
Please give one point to the declaration of greatness that you liked best, and one point to the rebuttal that won you over.
You get to decide what makes a winning argument.
Did one team's jokes make you giggle?
Was another team's logic impeccable?
Well, award your points but don't tell us who they're going to.
Have you made your decision?
I have. Excellent. Kate and Shannon, how are you two feeling so far?
I'm alright. I'm hanging in there.
You know what, I'm feeling pretty good.
Oh, okay. Good. Me too.
I'm feeling pretty good.
I feel great. That's so great.
It is time for a quick break.
Polish up your neck bolts and put on your top hat.
We'll be right back with more Smash, Boom, Fast. You're listening to State of Debate, home to raging rhetoric and awe -inspiring argumentation.
Welcome, welcome, welcome.
It's me, debate dude with a good attitude, Todd Douglas.
And I'm Taylor Lincoln, The extinguisher of fallacies, the exterminator of bad arguments, the destroyer of worlds!
Um, Taylor, you okay?
Sure am! Logical fallacies just really get under my skin, ya know?
Totally. They're statements that make your arguments weaker and no one wants that.
Speaking of, I recently spotted a Red Herring fallacy in the wild.
Uhh, red -hairing fallacies make me so mad.
That's when someone doesn't have any good points to make, so they change the topic to something easier to argue about!
Check out these two grown adults arguing over whether or not to buy snacks at the Big Baseball game.
It's so fun to finally see a game in person, right Jerome?
the energy is electric.
You said it Gerald, and don't forget about the delicious tasty Yummarific stadium snacks.
Not sure I'd call them Yummarific.
I think I'd call them overpriced.
No way, the price is totally worth it.
A hot dog tastes so much better at the stadium.
No way is it worth it, I can't justify by paying $18 for a hot dog?
That's why I packed my own snacks.
You snuck in a giant sandwich in your pocket?
That's gonna taste like all the pennies and lint.
Your sandwich is yucky.
That's why you need to buy Stadium Snacks.
I think storing it in a pocket gives it more flavor.
Besides, I thought we were arguing whether stadium food is worth it, not whether my snacks are tasty or not.
Wowza! Jerome decided he had no good way to argue stadium food is worth it, so he changed the subject!
The red paint is for your faces to show your team colors, not for the herring you snuck in your pocket.
Excuse me? That was a clumsy way of saying red herring fallacies are not a good idea.
Aw, Todd! You're not clumsy!
You have a quiet elegance and grace.
Aw, thanks, Taylor!
And that's all we have time for on this week's...
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And I'm your judge, Tiger.
And we love getting debate suggestions from our listeners, take a listen to this tasty debate idea from Liza.
Hi, I'm Liza from Plymouth, Minnesota.
My debate question is Peanut Butter versus Almond Butter.
Now that's not your average debate.
We'll check back in at the end of this episode to see which side Liza thinks should win.
And now it's back to our debate, Frankenstein's Monster versus Frosty the Snowman!
That's right. And it's time for round two, the… Micro Round.
For the Micro Round challenge, each team has prepared a creative response to a prompt they received in advance.
Shannon and Kate, your prompt was babysitter.
We asked you to pretend your side was interviewing for a babysitting job and to tell the parents why you're the perfect candidate to care for their kids.
Shannon went first last time, so Kate, you're up.
Tell us why Frosty would make such a great babysitter.
Well hi there busy parents.
Frosty here. Picture this.
Your alarm goes off.
You wake up to a big stressful work day.
You roll out of bed and notice there's a blizzard outside.
That's when you get the text.
Oh icicles! Schools cancelled!
It's a snow day. Yay!
Oh no! Do you call into your work and tell them that you can't come in?
Are you in a flurry trying to find a last minute babysitter?
Well look no further!
I know how to make snow days a blast for your kids and worry -free for you!
There's no business like snow business and boy do I know snow business!
I'm a jolly happy babysitter who loves sledding, playing freeze tag, making snow angels, snow forts and snow cones.
Oh boy do I make a good snow cone!
And just because schools canceled doesn't mean we put the freeze on learning.
I'll show you kids how to make the perfect snowball, how to skate, how to construct the coolest snow sculptures you'll ever see.
Plus, I'll teach your kids about climate change!
Global warming is a topic I care deeply about, given my tendency to melt in warm weather.
Life without snow is unbearable!
And most importantly, I am very mindful of making sure everyone is safe and warm while playing in the snow.
You'll never see me without my signature hat and scarf.
So the next time there's a snow day call good old Frosty for magical, stress -free fun for all.
Wow, Frosty's gonna educate my kids on the many, many snow days they have here in Minnesota.
Very useful. All right, Shannon, now it's your turn.
Why would Frankenstein's monster make the perfect caregiver?
Mmm need babysitting job.
Need money for new shiny neck bolts.
Turn on computer. Mmm!
Name, me, monster, frank and delete, delete, delete, uh, Frank, Frank, Frank, Frank.
Moms! Mmm. Frank Moms. Here to babysit human kids while you do work or fancy dinner night.
Competitive rates, mmm!
Skills - 8 feet tall, mmm.
Pick up big things!
no fire, please. Can do piggyback rides with all children in neighborhood and pets at same time.
Can blow up tires on bike with face.
Make good mac and cheese.
Skilled at stitching up cuts.
Work experience. Been in over 100 movies.
Pushed snow off sidewalk with hands.
One time helped peasants.
Phone number. 0 -0. Email.
mm -hmm monster 18 18 at AOL dot -com hmm and save save mmm prints then get job Mm!
Print! Mm! No paper!
Need paper! Mm! Ooh!
Whoops! Clean up mess.
Then get job. Mm. Hahahaha!
Wow, I really felt Frankenstein's...
existential pain. and how is it to go through that process?
Tiger, what stood out to you about Shannon and Kate's micro rounds?
Nah, how was Frank typing with those giant fingers?
Giant keyboard, Tiger, giant keyboard. One thing I noticed was that Frosty can teach the kids, but, and Frank?
Okay, it is time to award a point, Tiger.
The criteria are totally subjective And totally up to you...
Here we go. So how long have you been working on this project?
Have you made your decision?
I have. Fantastic. Then it's time for our third round, the super stealthy...
Sneak attack. This is our improvised round where debaters have to respond to a challenge on the spot.
Today's sneak attack is called theme song swap.
We want you to improvise a new theme song for your side, but in the style and genre of the other side." So that means the Frosty song might be kind of spooky and the Frankenstein song might be kind of jolly.
Does that make sense Debaters?
Mmhmm. Oh yeah. Yes.
Wonderful. Alright, we're gonna start with Shannon.
Let's hear your bouncy tune for Frankenstein's Monster.
Okay. Frank is a monster.
He will never, never melt.
He will have some fun and make mac and cheese.
Tum -a -dee -tum -tum -tum -a -dee -tum -tum.
I'll never leave you with a traffic cop.
Oh, excellent work.
A new theme song that's gonna be running through all of our heads.
It's all the time. All right, Kate.
It is your turn. Let's hear your morose melody for Frosty, The Snowman.
All right, I got it.
Okay. Frosty, Frosty The Snowman, He's a jolly happy soul that loves kids.
He likes to go sledding, and has a bunny friend.
Frosty, The Snowman.
I tried with Thriller, and then I don't know what happened.
I think I left my body a little bit during that.
I can picture Frosty doing the thriller dance though, in my head now.
It's the best thing.
I can. You know, because he's more in the winter spirit, he's not in the Halloween land, so maybe he listens to a little bit of thriller, but he doesn't know it fully.
You know? Very fair.
He tries his best. Yeah.
We're all doing the best we can, including Frosty.
Okay, Tiger, it is time to award a point for this wonderful theme song swap.
Think about which side impressed you the most and award your fourth point, but don't tell us who it's going to.
Have you made your decision?
I have. Perfect, then it's time for our final round.
The final six. In this round, each team will have just six words to sum up the glory of their side.
Kate, let's hear your six words for the fantastical Frosty.
We all have magic within us.
Very nice. Wow. Shannon, it's your turn.
Give us six words for the formidable Frankenstein's Monster.
Strong tall friend always has back.
Very nice. This is tough, Tiger.
You need to award a final point for this final six.
Have you made your decision?
This is intense. It's hard, it's tough, but I know you can do it.
You are an honest, unbiased, fair judge.
I have made my decision.
Are you ready to crown one team the Smash Boom best?
Yeah. Yeah, I am. Okay.
Drum roll, please. And the winner is...
Frankenstein's Monster.
How! Ooh. Oh, yeah!
Oh, no. Yes. This is Halloween.
Yeah. I'm so sorry, honey.
How are you feeling, Kate?
Are you OK? No, I'm feeling good.
You're still magical.
Thanks. Aw. Now, Tiger, what was the moment that really decided it?
Or what was your favorite part of the debate?
Frosty was making the children break the law?
Oh. All right. All right.
Excellent points. I guess, yeah.
Different times. Different times.
Different times. They were very different times.
OK. Hi, Kate. Kate, I appreciated.
Hi. I appreciated your emphasis on magic and climate change and snow days.
I'm a big fan of all those things.
I mean I'm not a fan of climate change, but I'm a fan of educating about climate change.
And I love magic. And so I really appreciated your whimsical take in this debate.
Mom, I loved your micro -round.
It was so funny and I could just see him in my mind trying to type all of that out.
And I loved that. I haven't thought about Frankenstein in a while.
And you know what? ." I feel like he's a friend.
You know? Aw, that's good.
Yeah. We'll watch all the movies.
It'll take a couple years, but we will watch all the movies.
Yay. And that's it for today's debate battle.
Tiger crowned Frankenstein's monster the Smash Boom!
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Oh my gosh, uh, Kait.
Kait all the way in Chicago.
Come home soon. Aw, and how about you, Kait?
Any special shout -outs?
I mean I'll give a shout -out to my mom, I guess.
But I also want to give a shout -out to our dog King, because he is also going to be there for our movie nights watching Frankenstein.
That's really true.
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Uh, yeah. I want to thank my family, mostly my mom, because she drove me here, and also Hello everyone here at Smash Boom Best. Alright!
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I think peanut butter would win because it is more common. Smash Boom Best is a non profit public radio program.
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My mic is working perfectly.
so I'm just waiting for my daughter to pull it together.
I'm sorry, Mom.
