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The movie Five Nights at Freddy's became a gigantic horror hit.
In that film, Gen Z nostalgia for a hit video game met Gen X nostalgia for children's restaurants like Showbiz Pizza and Chuck E Cheese.
Two years later, a sequel has all those creepy animatronics come blinking ominously back to life in a sequel that takes us back to Freddy Fazbear's Pizza and beyond.
I'm Stephen Thompson.
Joining me today on NPR's Pop Culture Happy Hour to talk about Five Nights at Freddy's 2 is freelance music and culture journalist, Rihanna Cruz.
Hey, Rihanna.
Hey, Stephen.
It's just you and me today, buddy.
I know.
I know.
It's good to have you.
So the Five Nights at Freddy's movies are spun off from an enormously successful VHS video game series.
In the games and in the first movie, our protagonist has to survive nights spent in a haunted children's restaurant called Freddy Fazbear's Pizza.
The villains, as you might imagine, are murderous animatronic robots.
The films star Josh Hutcherson as a down-on-his-luck security guard who's raising his younger sister, played by Piper Rubio.
The first movie introduces us to the haunted animatronics the serial killer who helped birth them and the serial killer's daughter, a policewoman played by Elizabeth Lale.
And it gives us a fair bit of lore about missing and murdered children.
The new film adds fresh lore here and there, but it mostly focuses on extending the action beyond the abandoned restaurant that gave the first film its spook. setting, and it introduces a few new characters, including one so obviously doomed he might as well be wearing a giant bullseye.
Five Nights at Freddy's 2 was directed by Emma Tommy, who did the first movie, and it was written by Scott Cawthon, who created the video games.
It's in theaters now, Rihanna.
You and I talked about the first Five Nights at Freddy's movie on this show when it came out.
What did you think of this one?
So much like the first one, I did not enjoy this movie.
Five Nights at Freddy's 2 is held together by Cardboard, Twine, and Fanservice.
And Fanservice does not a movie make, famously.
I was watching it.
I didn't think there was much of a plot.
The characters weren't exciting.
I'm a horror guy myself.
And I think the PG-13 rating definitely gets in the way of a lot of the horror appeal of this movie.
But also at the same time, this is a movie catered to children.
And I think like ages like 8 to 15 who played the video games and are obsessed with the video games.
And judging by the amount of kids that were in my theater, like literal children.
Little children.
It's not a not scary movie.
There are some terrifying visages if I was a younger kid.
But the kids were like ripping and roaring.
I heard cackles.
I heard screams.
And I think for them, this is a good movie.
But for me, who is into horror movies and isn't necessarily totally familiar with the game you know I'm tangentially familiar as someone in Gen Z but it did not land for me.
I'm curious to hear what you thought, Stephen.
I will say, Rihanna, when I think back on the first movie, I have some pretty fond memories of it.
In part because these games and these movies are trying to split the difference between, as I said in the intro, Gen Z nostalgia for the games and Gen X nostalgia for these restaurants.
And I think I even said on the show something along the lines of I want to hang out at this haunted pizzeria even though there are murderous animatronics there.
Totally.
Totally.
And I remember saying to you in the discussion of that first film I'm not sure I'm totally down with where this story is going.
I'm not sure that all the lore about these dead kids is really my jam.
Mm-hmm.
The good news is there's less of that in this movie.
The bad news is it's replaced by nothing.
Yeah, that's the issue.
There is almost no story here.
In lieu of this beautifully designed and beautifully conceived restaurant with these characters that are homages to Showbiz Pizza and Chuck E Cheese, while being their own original new thing.
All that is replaced by these dimly lit spaces, just these cobwebby gray corridors.
And you're not really getting to play around in this new world.
You're just rehashing, these are your murderers.
These characters are trying to escape the murderers.
And what it has in lieu of...
Yeah.
When a jump scare works, you think about the best jump scares you've seen in horror movies.
And you just said you're a horror guy.
If you've seen the movie Wait Until Dark... Ooh, no, I haven't.
Oh my gosh, Rihanna, it's so good.
Okay, I'll peep.
And there is a jump scare in that movie that is probably the best jump scare in the history of cinema.
Awesome.
And part of what makes it work is that it's paying off...
The fear that has been building over the course of the film.
It is a culminating scene where somebody is kind of jumping out of the darkness.
And it's so, so scary.
Here, Rihanna, the jump scares are literally just like the movie just goes.
Exactly.
I don't enjoy those.
There is a difference between scary and startling.
Yeah.
And this movie is not interested in that difference.
It just startles you in lieu of scaring you.
Well, on the note of paying off, there's a lot of things in this movie that don't pay off.
They're like introduced and then never fully explored.
I think the trailer and the general conceit of the movie brings up this festival, right?
FazFest, this Freddy Fazbear street festival thing that everyone in the town is obsessed with, and everybody dresses up and goes.
And there's very minimal payoff.
We don't really see much of that festival.
It's like, we know it's there, right?
There's a scene where like one of the animatronics interacts at the festival and then that's it.
Like we get nothing from that.
And that was one of the more interesting things that like this movie was promising to offer.
I think the horror similarly, right?
It's like There's this character introduced in this movie called the Marionette, which I have gathered is pretty big in the lore.
Not super familiar, but I've done some reading.
I've read up on the FNAF lore.
It's a character, but the purpose of the character seems to be solely setting up Five Nights at Freddy's 3.
This movie feels like an interstitial between two more interesting movies.
Yeah.
Nothing really happens.
These characters are simply introduced, but there's no real conclusion to any of their storylines.
They kind of just exist.
Character motivations are not fully warranted.
There's a scene where Josh Hutcherson-
Right.
There is a reason for it.
Like, that character has kind of kept something from him.
But that fact isn't that big a reveal.
Exactly.
It suddenly feels like there are a bunch of scenes in this film and this is a famous kind of horror movie trope where characters are making bad decisions for inexplicable reasons, in part to get them in a position to be murdered
And this film, what it feels like is lazy.
Mm.
It just feels like we need to get from point A to point B, and then there's kind of a lot of hand waving to get them there.
And the marionette, yes, the marionette is a big part of the games.
But the way it's kind of executed here it's like, ah yes, the famous children's character, the haunted spider monster.
Right.
It's so weird.
That has no visual similarity with the marionette to the rest of the animatronics either.
It's very odd.
This character that just suddenly appears and we're all supposed to take it at face value.
In the prologue, I would say, the character shows up for the first time.
And I was confused.
I hear people in my theater like, no way.
But I'm sitting there and I'm like, what is this?
There's no visual reference point here.
In the Five Nights at Freddy's like iconography that it could relate to.
So it's a weird character design at that.
And it kind of loses some of the like oomph and power, you know, because it mostly just like why was this character even designed?
Which is perhaps thinking too much into the animatronics.
But you still want to tether it to some kind of reality.
And, you know, Rihanna, you watch a lot of horror movies.
I mean, horror movies are kind of designed to take some element of real life and twist it and kind of bring out the things about it that ping our neuroses, kind of ping our fears.
And certainly, you know, the first film is really doing that kind of with missing children.
Yeah.
And kind of how tenuous childhood can be.
And this just feels like it's checking a lot of horror movie boxes of, like the marionette comes in and it's just another haunted doll.
And that's different from having these kind of hulking animatronic robots that feel coded to childhood memories of Chuck E Cheese animatronics kind of milling around clunkily.
Right.
Those characters, such as they are characters, are tapping into childhood memories.
And for me, the marionette comes in and that's not tapping into anything.
And it's not tapping in to what's fun and lively and silly about the first movie where, like you're taking this for me beloved childhood memory and making it terrifying.
Totally.
And I think the first movie with the main character, Mike feels like he's responsible for his brother getting kidnapped when he was a kid.
Right.
That is an interesting emotional hook and it does ground the movie.
And Five Nights at Freddy's 1 is memorable, if nothing else.
And then there's scenes in that movie that I don't particularly connect to or like even, but I remember them.
I remember the scenes, the dream scenes with the missing kids.
I remember- the animatronics.
I remember the toy cupcake chasing somebody through the hallway.
You know, like like these images that like stick with you, even though I didn't like the movie.
This movie doesn't really give any of those right.
I think, like I like the movies a similar amount, but I don't think there's any memorable scenes from this movie that I will recall a year from now, even six months from now.
You know that's right.
So there's two Freddy Fazbear pizzas in this movie, and Right.
They introduce a new location that has sat for decades.
Exactly.
And they have this throwaway line that I can't stop thinking about.
That makes me laugh.
Where they're like?
Well, the other one, aka the one from the first movie, is just the franchisee.
This is the real deal.
And it's like, it's not memorable.
You're kind of just confused.
You're like there's a second Freddy Fazbear pizza, ostensibly 10 minutes from the first one, that nobody has ever talked about.
And it has like a river, like a lazy river in it for some reason.
It was giving like, have you ever been to Casa Bonita in Denver?
No.
Oh my God.
Massive restaurant with like cliff diver and magic shows and things like that.
And I was like, oh, okay.
Like they're doing kind of like Casa Bonita, right?
Where there's like a river running through the restaurant.
But even then, it's like it doesn't really deliver on that more than characters being like wow, there's a river.
And then everybody inexplicably falling in the river.
It just keeps toppling into the river.
It doesn't really.
Again, like it doesn't deliver on these promises that like they set up.
You know, there's really no payoff.
It's Five Nights at Freddy's 1.5.
Yeah.
All right.
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What's making us happy this week?
Rihanna Cruz, what's making you happy this week, buddy?
So I was listening to LA NPR member station KCRW and I get a lot of music recommendations from Morning Becomes Eclectic, the morning show here.
Yeah, great show.
And one of the songs that they were playing, I really tapped into.
It's from the band Gliders.
It's off of the album Forever, which came out a couple weeks ago.
And I think a lot of these late year releases kind of get swallowed by like the end of the year list deluge.
And there's not really much bandwidth, frankly, to like pay them their due.
But Chicago Trio, Gliders, Three People, kind of swampy rock, psychedelic rock.
I've been really into the song Step In slash Tell Me About the Rabbit.
It's eight minutes long.
Turn it back.
It's really good.
It kind of scratches the like, what if King Gizzard and the Lizard Wizard was like paired back.
To just three people and kind of chugging.
You know, it's a little bluesy.
I dig it a lot.
So that's an album that I've been listening to a lot this week.
Forever by the Chicago Trio Gliders.
Rihanna, I have to say, I host New Music Friday every week on NPR and I have not heard that record.
So I'm going to check it out.
Sweet.
Thank you for the heads up.
Absolutely.
Rihanna, what is making me happy uncharacteristically is a piece of news.
I'm curious.
That doesn't necessarily happen very much.
It feels like the news can sort of be this deluge of trouble and division and conflict.
And can't we come together as a nation and bond over one news story that makes everybody happy?
Well, my friends, I have found that news story.
I'm going to quote the AP headline raccoon goes on drunken rampage in Virginia liquor store and passes out on bathroom floor.
Oh, yeah.
Other than a few broken liquor bottles at this Virginia liquor store, this is a victimless crime.
This is a story we can all get behind.
Basically, a raccoon fell through a ceiling tile in a liquor store in Ashland, Virginia.
It was kind of scurrying around trying to find something.
Ended up smashing a bunch of bottles of scotch and whiskey and getting plowed.
Yeah.
And the photo of this poor little buddy just flattened on the bathroom floor, literally next to a toilet.
Been there, brother.
Been there, brother.
Who among us?
Who among us, at some point in their one wild and precious life, has a moment where they drink too much and wind up passed out like this sweet little buddy next to the toilet?
Like everybody, I saw the headline was like, oh, click.
Click.
I have to know more about the raccoon that got trashed at a liquor store.
My immediate thought was, is the raccoon okay?
My friends, the raccoon is okay.
My only complaint is I wish this had happened like two weeks ago, so people could talk about it with their families at Thanksgiving.
So true.
And have something to agree on in this desolate world.
And that story the raccoon getting drunk is more compelling to bring it back around than Five Nights at Freddy's 2.
Oh, you just had to bring us down, didn't you?
If you have not heard about the drunk raccoon, do yourself a favor.
Just Google the words drunk raccoon.
You'll find it.
Awesome.
That is what is making me happy this week.
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Rihanna Cruz, thank you so much for being here.
Always a pleasure.
Thank you for having me, Stephen.
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