Introducing Feel Better, Live More: The Secret To A Happy Life With Eliud Kipchoge (The World’s Fastest Man)｜The Rich Roll Podcast

Hey, everybody, welcome to the podcast. You guys are in for a treat because my good friend, the good doctor, Dr. Rangan Chatterjee is in the house.

Longtime listeners know Rangan well.

He's been on the show, I think, four times, but not since before the pandemic, it's been a couple of years.

But Rangan, for those who are new, maybe you, I'll let you give your bio.

But Rangan is here because he has an amazing podcast called Feel Better, Live More.

He's part of the voicing change family.

And we're going to introduce you to his show by sharing one of my favorite episodes of his show.

And I think maybe of yours, I don't know.

Yeah, it's definitely one of my favorites.

It might not be able to like pin down but maybe share a little bit about who you are, what your background is and your show.

Yeah, so I, I'm a medical doctor.

I qualified from Edinburgh Medical School back in 2001.

And my career has been on somewhat of an evolution ever since.

I don't think what I am doing today is what I thought I'd be doing when I left and stepped out of eduro medical school for the last time.

Because today, I'm a podcaster, like you.

I'm an author, yes, I'm a doctor, I teach doctors.

But really, in essence, I think what's evolved over my career is this understanding that it's our collective modern lifestyles, how we live, but also how we think, that impacts the quality of our lives.

It impacts our health, yes, but it also impacts our happiness and our relationships.

And I've gone through many iterations throughout my career of being slightly frustrated in medicine and feeling that a lot of what we have to do is to suppress symptoms with drugs.

I've through a few personal experiences with my son and my father, I really got more and more passionate about the idea that lifestyle can be our best medicine if we know what to work on.

And that led to me back in 2015.

I think it's almost 10 years now.

Maybe it's 2014. I got my own primetime television series in the UK called Doctor in the House.

I got shown to 5 million people a week in the UK, and it's gone to 70 countries around the world.

But it's still probably the proudest, it's still probably the things that I look back and I go, yeah, that was pretty incredible.

Why I managed to show the British public and people around the world through that series, I think now on reflection, that show was ahead of its time.

I think if it landed today, it would land in a completely different way.

I think back then, what I was doing was deemed a little bit, well, what's going on here?

Now I'll give you an example, You mean like woo woo?

I wouldn't say woo woo, but basically the doctor in the house was where I went to live alongside families who were sick.

They were under GPs and specialists, they were usually had a diagnosis and they were on medication usually.

But they applied to go on the show because they couldn't get better.

So the whole premise is that the doctor goes into that house.

So, for four to six weeks, I've spent time with these guys and I helped a lady put her type two diabetes into remission in 30 days.

I helped another lady with panic attacks, reduced them by 70 to 80 % in just six weeks.

I helped a lady with severe pains with fibromyalgia, IBS, depression.

I helped her become pain -free.

For the first time in 10 years, I helped her become pain -free in six weeks.

I helped a lady with menopausal symptoms. without the use of hormones get almost completely better, but the incredible thing was that I did it all with nutrition and lifestyle and mindset.

It was using no pharmaceutical drugs and so when I say that that was a bit ahead of its time...

I remember when the episode, one of the first episodes, was me helping her reverse her type 2 diabetes in 30 days.

Back in 2014 rich that wasn't common knowledge.

You know there was a bit of push back online saying this is irreversible disease.

It's a chronic progressive disease.

This is not true. Don't get me wrong, there was mostly great feedback, but it was my first interactions with social media.

And I very quickly had to learn how to deal with negativity, which I did find really hard back then, if I'm completely honest. But today, 10 years on, it is widely accepted that tattoo diabetes can be put into remission.

So that series was really quite profound for me in so many ways that I've only really appreciated even in the last two, three years, even in writing this new book, I've gone, why do I have such a different perspective on health than so many doctors?

I think my cultural upbringing, you know, being in an Indian family where we understand or we get infused with the idea that food is medicine from a young age that if you're sick, your mum actually puts extra turmeric in your curry or if you got a sore throat she'll make honey and grater ginger and turmeric.

Like you grow up with this idea that food is medicine and then you don't get taught that in medical school.

So there's these slight conflicts.

But then also most doctors even if they are practicing in a more holistic way and may get one hour with their patient let's say, they still won't see what I got to see.

I got to see how every single input in these family's lives impacted their health.

Even if I had an hour with them, they still wouldn't tell me the stuff that I saw.

I'd be like, ah could this person's symptoms be in some way related to the fact that the husband is talking to the wife.

This kind of emotional stress, this relationship stress that's said it's impacting how they feel about themselves.

I got to see all of this and go, wow, health is so much more than just what I see.

in the consultation room.

In fact, 99 % of our health outcomes pretty much come from outside the consultation room, right?

So these experiences, that primetime series led to me writing books.

And, you know, I'm blessed to have this podcast, which has been going for seven years now.

I've said this publicly.

I'll say it again, Rich, you were a huge inspiration for me to actually start my show because of the way you conducted your conversations.

conversations. That's what inspired me the most. So look, this is a guy who is bringing real intentionality to each conversation.

Each conversation feels like a special event.

Nothing is just dialed in.

The way that you dress it up and put it online and the audio quality.

All these things were like, oh, that's the kind of show I want, right?

Now, I think I've evolved into having my own style now but definitely you inspired me massively to have the confidence to go long as well.

Because in the UK back then, people were saying to me, your show should only be 40 minutes.

That's the length of the average commute.

So my first six shows were 40 minutes.

I mean, I haven't listened to them.

I'm not sure I can pull myself through that.

Well, no one should go back and listen to the first episode, anyone who's been doing these things should go back and listen to the beginning.

But I think, I mean, first of all, thank you.

And I think what you've built is really potent and powerful.

There's a reason why.

It's the number one health podcast in the UK.

I know you were - Not only is it the number, I mean, you're in like the top five to 10 of all podcasts in the UK.

Like what you've built is incredibly powerful.

It's reaching millions of people and not just reaching them, like really impacting them in meaningful ways.

And so I love not only what you do but like how you do it because I do think that you bring a level of integrity and intentionality to this medium with your experience.

and there's a reason why it's successful.

And I'm really proud to be supporting you in this venture and also just to be your friend.

So thank you for being here today.

Me too man, I appreciate that, thank you.

Yeah and so the idea here is like, we just wanted to introduce all of you.

And by you, I mean the audience who might be new to Rongan to what his show is, so we're going to share an episode of it.

What episode are we going to be sharing with everybody?

Well, we're going to share, I think what might be one one of the only long -form conversations that exists with Elliot Cappchoge, the Kenyan marathon runner, the only human to our knowledge that has ever run a marathon in under two hours.

I'll admit to a little bit of jealousy when I saw that you published that, I was like, damn Rangan, how did he get him?

How did you get him?

That is not a guy who's doing the podcast rounds.

I don't think he's ever done a podcast except for yours.

I think when his film came out, I think he popped them on a couple.

I got offered him, then actually, but interesting enough that these were going to be 10 -minute conversations on Zoom.

I don't want to do that.

I don't want to have a 10 -minute conversation on Zoom.

It's not really what my show is about.

It's like yours. It's long form.

We want to go deep, and so I appreciate how lucky I am.

I know what it's like when you see another podcast host and they get some guests that you've been trying for years, and you're like, how do they manage that?

Like I tried this and I tried that, but I didn't get a response.

Really that came about through my relationship with the London Marathon, and the team there.

I've helped support them for a number of years, promote them.

I spoke to Hugh Breschner, the head of the London Marathon on my show a few years ago.

And it's, again, to developing good relationships with people, and they knew I wanted to talk to Elliot.

I didn't get much notice.

I live in the northwest of England.

My studio is in the northwest of England.

Outside of London, I'm lucky that because of the size of the show people will travel up to my studio.

So, how long does it take from London to get there by train?

It's not a quick train, but it's still one hour and 40 minutes.

It's a really nice relaxing train with only two stops, so people really enjoy it.

But really that's your day.

If you're in London and coming up to mind that's your day done.

Now most guests do come, unless it's let's say a top US guest who's in London for just two days and they literally can't fit it in.

And if I really want to speak to them, I'll go down.

But I think with about two weeks notice or maybe 10 days, someone from the London marathon reached out and said, hey, Rowan, I know you've been trying to get Elliot for a while.

We have some time with him.

When he's in London in like 10 days, you know, what do you think?

I'm like, trying not to sound overly keen.

Yeah, yeah, sure. I'd love to do that.

And we basically set up an interview.

I was told that you don't have long.

He's very, very busy.

He's got lots of press engagements.

And I thought, okay, look, this guy.

I've always been drawn to him, I just find his manner.

There's an elegance to his demeanor and his disposition that, you know, and a gravitas and like a grace, but also like humility.

Yeah. That's rare in such a extraordinary champion.

Yeah. And I thought I have to do this.

I really want to do this.

And I, you know, I remember sitting with my children for his first sub -two hour events.

My wife was away. We were watching it early morning in the UK, he didn't make it.

we saw it at the Net and we watched it together.

So it's a kind of family thing for us as well.

Like we talk about Kip Chogy a lot.

I run - Your kids are fans.

My kids are fans, yeah.

So what happened is I thought, okay, so why don't we all go down for the weekends, stay in a hotel in London.

I was interviewing on the Sunday morning of the marathon, he was gonna like, I think start the race or something.

So I think I was told it has to be in this hotel room at 8AM or in this hotel where he's staying, it cannot be anywhere else.

He wasn't running. He was starting, like announcing the start, you mean?

I think so. He had run the week before in Berlin and that's when he got the world record, literally.

So he's literally a week off of setting the world record when you met up with him.

Exactly, so a very fortunate time to have him.

And well, so one of the interesting is that my kids said, Daddy, can we meet Elliot?

And the team were amazing, but they were like, I couldn't bring my kids but they were like, we've only got this time, you don't get longer.

He has to run out straight away.

So obviously, I knew in which room we were recording because my cameraman Gareth came down and he set up and he really tried to make it look beautiful.

I said, mate, we've got to make this look good.

I think this is the only long form conversation with Elliot that I've seen.

So just in honor of this individual, let's try and make it look good.

So Gareth came down.

He spent a whole day trying to light the room, which is, you know, it's a standard London hotel room.

And then I tell you the things I remember, Rich, Elliot came in and I can get quite excited To say the least. I can be quite an amateur guy sometimes.

He is so calm and quiet that I start to respond to him.

I start to talk quietly and slowly, and it was it was amazing to see what power, what magnetism can exist with another human being.

Like their energy starts to change the energy, the people around them, which I found really profound.

So we had this conversation.

I had told my kids that morning, we were saying in a different hotel, I said, guys, if you want to meet Elliott, I don't know.

Like, it's hard with the team being really precise on times.

And I said, guys, I'm recording in this room, in this hotel.

I said to my wife, make sure you and the kids are outside the door ten minutes before the end.

And I gave them the time.

And my wife tells me afterwards that they couldn't even get there, like, Elliot's team were like, where are you going?

Like, you know, no one can come in here.

And she's like, no, no, wrong is my husband.

like, so she insisted that no one's going to stop my wife getting anywhere.

So they're waiting outside the room.

I finished with Eliot.

I think we go for about an hour and 15 in the end.

So I managed to erk out a bit of extra time.

And then one of the loveliest things that I remember was that the publicists are like, okay, yeah, great.

No problem. We need to take Eliot now.

My kids came in and he just stopped.

He sat down. He spoke to them.

His publicists is trying to move him on. He's just sitting there.

My son takes his T -shirt off.

Elliot writes the handwritten message, signs it for him, gives it to him back.

I have seen, Rich, maybe like you, I've seen people on the mic and off the mic and it ain't always the same thing.

And what I realized that day was, Elliot is the same person on and off the mic.

He was gentle, he was calm, he was present.

He was so lovely with my children.

He gave them gifts, he said, and you went and asked them, it was PR to get something, he signed it for them.

Another thing I've reflected on since that is that I've spoken to Elliot Kipchoge on my podcast. I've also liked you spoken to Kylian Jone, and I've always thought it's incredible that two of the humblest people I've ever met on my show, I would say are Elliot and Kylian.

I always thought, this is so interesting, why is that?

Is it because their sports are in nature, They see the magnitude of existence like, you don't see that as much with football in the UK or let's say basketball, where we can often see ego attached to someone's fame and their success.

I didn't get a hint of ego from either Kylian Jorne or from Elliot.

And that is something I think a lot about, but it was a beautiful conversation with a quite beautiful man.

It's so cool, man. I love it.

That's a great story.

and what an extraordinary human being to be able to like share space with.

And it's always cool when it's somebody who is so accomplished and fascinating but isn't kind of like doing the podcast round.

Like there's a specialness to it.

Because you know, like this guy's not going next door right after you to go somewhere else.

Like, this is a very like kind of special moment in time.

Yeah and I feel lucky and the truth is, you know what it's like, we're not always going to get the guests that we want.

And sometimes those guests appear on other shows And that's just the way of the worlds.

I feel the yeah for whatever reason, karma, the universe, whatever, for some reason that happened for me.

And it still, it's like pinch me, when Elliott sends me a DM on something or he'll comment on something on my Instagram.

I'm like, Oh, that's how they keep joking.

Do you know what I mean?

It's nice, but I kind of, I feel we built up a rapport that day, which of course is what we do when we have these conversations.

When you have these experiences, we're always striving to create something meaningful, and that comes with authenticity and intentionality and true curiosity, I think, to try to create something authentic.

So anyway, I love it.

I can't wait for all of you, the audience to hear or watch what's about to follow.

Rangan, thank you for being a member of the voicing change family for being a friend.

His podcast is fantastic.

Feel better, live more available on YouTube, wherever you get podcasts, Apple, Spotify, like all the places, right?

Yeah. You know it, man!

All right, then, cheers, cool.

Enjoy everybody, peace.

I'm not a believer of success.

I believe in pure and good preparation, in pure and clean planning, we should live by it, sleep by it, run by it, Relax bite, walk bite.

You need to have the right systems you cannot sit and wait for success, you need to do it.

Hey guys, how you doing?

Hope you're having a good week so far.

My name is Dr. Rangan Chatterjee and this is my podcast, Feel Better, Live More.

Today's guest is someone who I've been trying to set up a face to face conversation with for around two years, and a couple of weekends ago, it finally happened.

Elliot Kipchoge is a Kenyan athlete, who's widely regarded as the greatest marathon runner of all time.

He's won two successive olympic marathons, ten major titles and of course, he's the only man to have ever run a marathon in under two hours, which he did back in 2019 in Vienna as part of the 1 .59 Challenge.

challenge. This was an incredible achievement for humanity but was not recognized as an official world record because it was not an open competition and he used a team of rotating pacemakers.

Now our conversation took place in London on the weekend of the 2022 London Marathon exactly seven days after he had once again broken the official marathon world records in Berlin.

Now I wanna be really clear at start of this episode, this is a conversation for everyone.

Whether you are a runner or not, I think you're going to find Eliot's insights highly relevant and applicable in your own life.

One of the main reasons I wanted to talk to Eliot was not actually because of his running ability, it's because I've always been fascinated by the energy that this man radiates.

He has a calmness, a humility, a modesty, and a complete lack of ego which I and millions of others around the world find ourselves drawn to.

In our conversation we cover many different topics.

We talk about reflection and why in this tech heavy world he still keeps a hand written training journal.

We talk about success and why he doesn't actually believe in success which I think is remarkable for a man who has achieved so much of it.

We discuss why he always does his runs as part of a community, why he smiles in the latter parts of American, how he manages to stay injury free, and what he really thinks about retirement.

But for me, one of the most insightful parts of this conversation is hearing Elliott talk about self -discipline and why he feels that this is one of the most important skills that we can develop.

Elliott is probably best known for the phrase, no human is limited.

And hearing him explain what this means to him really brings to life the idea that it's self -discipline that will help you reach your own potential.

This really was a special conversation with an incredible man.

I hope you enjoy listening.

And now my conversation with the one and only Elliott Kipchoge.

As we're having this conversation, it's pretty much exactly seven days almost to the minute where you were running in Berlin and when you broke the marathon world record again.

How's the last week been for you?

Last week was crister.

Sunday was crazy. I broke a wall because from Sunday after now it's been a little bit busy and walking up and down doing some sponsor stuff and making sure everybody is happy before I fly back to Kenya.

Yeah, looking forward to going home, I'm sure.

Absolutely, yes. Obviously, you've done many interviews since you broke the world record. Or we've watched many of them on television or on the internet.

What's it like for you, though, when you're not in public?

So last Sunday, for example, what's it like for you when you're in your hotel room at night and you go to sleep?

What is it like in those private moments for you?

When I am actually in the hotel room alone, it's a crucial time for me to audit myself, internalize what has happened in the day and actually try to go back what has been happening for the last four months.

And actually appreciate what we have been doing actually for four months.

We just shift here, good fruits on that day.

So it's internalizing and accepting and just making your mind really calm and that it does happen and it tells another, tomorrow is another day.

Many people struggle to keep their minds calm.

Big things may happen in their life at work or with their family or pressure and they really struggle to calm their minds.

You seem to be someone who has a very zen approach to life, a very calm approach. How do you manage to calm your mind and when you've achieved something so huge?

I am a believer of some philosophies.

I'll give you an example.

I am a believer of a philosophy whereby if you are going to a half tree, you are staying on the fringes of a tree, and immediately when you actually, you grab a branch, you tested a branch if it's strong enough to hold your weight, and then he was talking, and then I have to hold your weight, and then you go up." Immediately, you stepped on the branch. Then you him for the next branch, then you have already got this branch. You forget the branch, you wait for the next one.

Get the crop the next one, test it equally with us, and have it with the branch itself and the muscle to hold you away, and then you go up.

Oh, what I'm trying to say is this.

violent marathon was a branch, I walked for that branch for four to five months.

And last week on Sunday on 25th, I got the branch, yeah.

After getting the branch actually, what else, I've got a branch. I need to aim for the next one.

So just forget it, aim for the next one.

But that's how I believe I am in that philosophy, and the philosophy actually has helped me to know that in life every day is a challenge.

Every day is a challenge, you know you are in a lab actually with somebody on 26, 10 in the morning.

And I told that person that, you know, you see now the organizers, the organizers of the balin is thinking of next year.

Yeah. Yeah. It's really inspiring.

Is that, is that an approach you've always had to life even as a child?

Or is it something you've learned through your career?

It's something I learned through my career.

I've grown enough in the career, close to 20 years and in in running.

And I know I know what what kind of acolyphs knocked you out and what can acolyphs uplift if you would commit your call to be a real person.

Yeah, when you're about to embark on something like Last Sunday, the Berlin Marathon, do you know beforehand that I'm going to try and break a world record today?

Is that already in your mind?

Or I guess there must be things, you train for four or five months, but you can't control the weather.

For example, you know, many of us who run at weekends, let's say, some days we're not feeling it, our legs don't feel as though they've got the energy or we don't have the mindset.

So, I'm really interested for you when you have done so much training to build up for one race where the world is watching.

Do you have a strategy in your head that today I'm going for the world record?

I'll start by saying that So I don't actually, I'm not a believer of success, but the first thing.

I don't believe in success, but I believe in good preparation and planning, which can bring success.

That means within a quality five months, if I don't walk hard, I will not be successful.

But if I got well planned, well prepared, then I'm sure of success.

What I'm trying to say is this.

For four months, I am really training.

I think the targets for over 80 percent is that then I feel I'm really comfortable in my body.

My legs are good. Then actually, one day to go, then I start to audit what I've been doing.

If what I've been doing, actually, went well, as I expected.

Touch with it. Then the next day, I'm ready for the next day.

Anything might happen if the rain comes in, if it is too hot, or if the weather is OK, then I will handle it, but I will accept the solves.

They say, actually, if you don't accept the solves, then if you want to enjoy the sport, you need to accept that.

Yeah, to be hit any outcome I would not regret.

Acceptance seems to be a really key part of your approach to life you mentioned of course already there the bill of marathons gone that's the branch you've got the branch now you accept it and move on irrespective of what had happened you also mentioned that you don't believe in success that's really interesting to me does that mean is it you don't believe in success or Well, certainly when I hear you say that and describe it, is it that the success is the four months of training?

That's the success.

And let me explain that when I say I don't believe in success, success is there.

But you cannot sit and wait for success.

Success is waiting for you to actually say, hey, just grab me.

But rule number one, you should be prepared.

Rule number two, you should be well -planted.

Rule number three, you should be actually capable of grabbing the success.

That's what success is saying.

Success is there. I don't deny.

But I believe in preparation, in pure and good preparation, in pure and clean planning, can lead to success.

I don't think that you can actually believe that I will be successful in a marathon, and you don't follow the program to the leather.

You know, the moment you don't escape one, to put in locally a account on the verity.

Yeah. Yes. It's so fascinating.

What I'm hearing from you is that yes, you happen to be a marathon runner, but you're saying that actually this approach kind of applies to all of us.

Yes, you can define success in different definitions, 10 or 20 or anything you have, but at the core of everything, I'm going to give you an example that you are in class and you last the acually exam in December, and you have three months to study.

If you don't study hard, if you don't actually go into a group discussion is to share what you know and somebody else can give you what your he knows.

I don't think you will actually be philosophers and class owners.

You know, success you can be successful in running, but you can ran too thin, and that success, that success according to you.

You can be successful in life and you run to O5.

You can be successful in life and run to O1.

That's the difference of success.

You can be successful in education and you have a pass.

You can call yourself, you are successful, you have credit.

You can call yourself, you are successful and you have distinction.

So what success really.

I think success, what I'm trying to say is the mastery of what you are doing.

If you have mastery of what you are doing, then that's success.

But you need to do it, you need to have the right systems for success to come in.

The real right systems, the moment you lock systems, the moment you lock the positive systems within here, you will really look for it but you will not get it.

So it's cool that in life you need to weigh yourself and declare that, hey, I belong here.

If you're a sportsman, you really need to actually stand and say, no, I need to be successful.

I belong here. It doesn't mean that people can see you are successful, you are not.

People can still doubt.

Please, it's cool to actually tell yourself, I need to be successful.

But I need to work up.

I need to be doing what's right at the right time, at the right place.

We all need our own individual definition of success, don't we?

Absolutely. If you want to be successful, to fight in my own words.

Yeah. In your own words, the way you understand your own language, to find success in your own language.

Because someone who's never run before, if they were to complete a 5K, like they were to build up to running five kilometers, that could be success for them.

The building abandoned, they have actually complete 5K.

Yeah. In the next three months, they're completing 10K.

That's success. But you can look up to do an actual complete 20 kilometers.

Last Sunday, I was glued to the race.

Actually, I want to share with you.

There are three moments in my life where I have witnessed a great sporting occasion with my two children.

Two of them actually involved you.

One of them was when Tiger Woods won the Masters in 2015, but the other two were last weekend when you broke the world record, and also when you went under two hours in 1 .59.

I was sitting with my two children around the computer watching.

It was really special moments.

Now, at halfway, when we saw the splits of, of course, you'll know 59 something at halfway, I was feeling nervous, which is ridiculous because I'm not running, you're running and you look really relaxed.

But I'm thinking, oh man, is he going to break too hard today?

Has he gone off too fast?

How aware of the time are you in that moment?

What was going through your head?

You know what happened is that I was feeling well, especially because we are actually on the right ship, and we crossed the halfway.

We crossed the 20K and realized, hey, 10 to 50 seconds is too fast. And I tried to calculate, to give another two minutes and 50 seconds.

I saw it would be actually under 60.

But all in all is that that was a big motivation for me that if I am close to actually under 60, then I will not miss a world record. So I was keeping myself a morale that plays, let me push if I ran two hours flat, well and good.

If I missed and ran a world record that's what I need.

So it was a plus on my side.

It was a blast on my mind, yeah.

Do you feel any pressure because of who you are, because of the amount of people who look up to you and watch you?

Are you aware of that pressure from the outside or is it just another race for you?

I do have a huge pressure.

Actually, it's a pressure problem all the time.

On Friday, actually, I just jumped in to press conference for home and all the channels were asking me, are you going for a world record?

I told them no, who told you I'm going for a world record?

I'm coming here to run a good race and if that race can be translated to be a course record or if you can call it a world record I will appreciate it, that's what I told them.

But there was a lot of pressure from the channels everybody was expecting, that you can't run.

Then I told them no, I'm coming for a good race.

Yeah, it's that approach isn't it that you keep talking about.

It's process over outcome, it's the journey over the destination.

That's what I'm hearing as I hear you speak.

Yes. You cannot actually say, you know, human things are not machine.

You cannot set yourself for uncertain time and random time, no. You never know what will happen.

Yeah, And I have on the way, marathon is live and all challenges are on the way.

But I always put my mind that I need to run well.

I need to run a certain time, try to push myself, according to what I've been doing in training, thinking, you know, before you do something, you need to internalize us.

Yeah, will need to internalize.

You need to really put in your heart and in your mind.

You need even to think and imagine closing a finishing line with a world record. Yeah.

then you will cut it.

You cannot work a man just thrash.

The moment you cut it, then you say thank you and then you move on.

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Last Sunday after the race, I went to the kitchen with my kids.

We were having a late breakfast because we missed breakfast to watch you break the world record. And my 12 year old son had a question for me, which if you don't mind, and I was gonna put to you.

He said daddy, Elliott was celebrating just before he got through the line.

If he hadn't celebrated, do you think he would have gone one or two seconds even quicker than what he did do?

So this is the child's question and I watched the video again on YouTube this morning and it certainly appeared that obviously you knew you had broken the world records.

there was a smile, there was some sort of hand celebrations, and it did appear to me that your pace slightly slowed at the end.

So the question from my son is, could you have gone one or two seconds faster had you not celebrated?

It's a very good question and I want to answer it and to answer it that I already saw that I'm inside the world record. So I think mine actually celebrating provided that I need to something called a wall record. So I was sure of a wall record and decided to celebrate it and uncode it.

Well, huge, huge congratulations.

Thank you. You know, I know you want to inspire people to run.

I've heard you say that in many interviews and many conversations.

And I've been thinking about inspiration recently.

What is it about people like you that inspire so many of us around the world, because I'm a doctor, okay?

So I may dream about being an elite marathon runner, but I'm not an elite marathon runner.

But I remember after that race, I felt inspired.

I went into the garden and I did some sprints.

I got my skipping rope out, I did some skipping.

There was something about watching you, a fellow member of the human race achieved something so special that really inspired me within my life to do a bit more.

What did you think that is?

Inspiration actually, I always say that life is about movement.

And I want to inspire people to move.

All the professions actually, be it your engineer, a doctor, be it your teacher, be it your manager, all sorts of professions in this world.

For them to survive, for them to live longer, it's the spirit of movement.

What I am trying to say is this.

If you move, that's how to end a good life.

If you move, that's how to live longer.

But the only movement, which is available, is the less expensive movement, which is running.

If you run, then, you know, I'm trying to tell people that you can't run a Khaled Tehbiah rokha tahla, but I need you to run to a Khaled to be fit and to live longer.

That's my inspiration.

That's why I always say I want to push running to be a family lifestyle.

The moment older families are going to crap running and not going to put in, in their family and go to a family lifestyle, that will be created.

Whereby in the morning you can see the kids and the parents just to put in their own shoes and walk around, just to move.

It's about movement.

and just move, the one will be footwork.

Are you familiar with Park Run?

It's a big global movement.

It started in the UK and in many, many towns and villages around the UK and now in the world.

There's a 5K every Saturday morning.

And people of all abilities come, children, adults, they all get a time, but the fastest will be running in 15, 16 minutes.

The slowest will maybe be an hour, but it's a big community spirit and people run together.

And what you just said about running as a family, I'm pretty sure if park run did not exist, I'm not sure my kids would be runners.

Like my son loves running, but I think he loves running because of park run.

So the way we start every weekend is me and my son, But then we go down to the local 5K, rain or shine, windy, cold, hot, doesn't matter, we turn up and we do a 5K.

And so for me, it's how we spend our family weekends together, which I think speaks to what you're talking about.

Yes, that's exactly what I am saying.

And if all of us are calling, if the spirit that you are doing in UK can go to every country in this world, 10 alkali will be far, two years a little bit more will change.

Why did you start running?

I started running. My neighbour was running.

I went to run like him which is my course now.

The aim was of running alkali and training hard was just to feel how life will be up the skies by getting a ticket and then flying.

But long last I travelled to Europe, run, I realised that sport can give me life, sport actually can keep food to my table, to my siblings and my parents and the rest. I started to focus in a professional way.

And did you know from the start that I'm pretty quick here.

I can beat people around me or did that come later?

I know that one came later, not actually.

I just train and want to go to compete and actually compete with other people, get the position and come back home.

As I talk to you, Elliot, I think back to a conversation I had a few years ago on this show with Kylie and Shawna, regarded by many as the greatest mountain runner of all time.

You, of course, are regarded as the greatest marathon runner of all time.

And what really strikes me from chatting to both of you is there's a real modesty, a real humility.

And I'm really interested, why do you think that might be?

And do you think there's something unique to running that kind of gives off that flavor in the people at the top of the sports?

I think it's about understanding life and understanding what you are doing.

Always when you are at the top of something and you have an echo, that's the sign of a peculiar failure.

At the end of it actually, when you are at home and you realise your ego is up, then It doesn't feel like you are human.

So it's the way you think that the wall is full of a human family and ego will go away.

And I trust that the moment you chase away ego, that's the best place to really get into the course, the best place to think, the best place actually to think with the other people and respect other people, for the place actually to, to cut your training in a good way.

Do you think there's something about running or running long distances that it kind of burns the ego out of you?

I trust the long runs when you are running for long, training for long, allows you to actually, to know how to handle suffering.

And if you know how to handle suffering and pain, And that's what long run is, is helping me or helping any other person.

But I think it's the only way to calm your mind, that hey, what do you want again, and if something happens, then that's happened and we need to move on.

I don't know, I can't explain because I don't understand more as far as Iko is concerned, but I believe actually, at the end of the day, you know, before you go to bed, I think everybody actually is reflecting what has happened for the whole day, that you actually affect the world in a positive way or in a negative way for the whole day.

That you actually, what did you do to anything negative or positive?

That's what people actually should be asking themselves at the end of the day before you go to bed.

And if you happen Do you actually have those thoughts?

Then actually you'll realize that there is no need to work with urban and equal.

Yeah, this life is actually good when you are on the ground.

You come across incredibly calm and Zen in your manner and you mentioned that it's running and particularly long runs is a good way to calm the mind.

And so I guess for me I'm thinking, were you always calm and zen and relaxed?

Or do you think it's the fact that you run so much that has made you calm and relaxed?

I think that's been my personality but running has helped me to be more calm.

Yeah. You mentioned reflection and how important it is maybe every evening to think, you know, what have you done in the day?

Have you contributed to other people?

You know, have you behaved in a way that, in a manner that you wanted to behave in?

And I know that you are a very keen journaler.

You have a journal.

Yes. And in one interview, you've mentioned that your pen and your journal are two of the most important things that you possess.

I wonder if you could speak to journaling, why is it so important to you?

and why do you still do it by hand in an age where we have computers and technology?

I have a lot of channels.

I have a channel for training everyday.

I have a channel for the shoes that I'm using everyday.

I have a channel that when I'm reading a book, I just say, I like the best points I need to put down on a notebook.

So I have a notebook whereby it's worked true in that day.

That I write all of them down and actually focus on the day -to -day, my daily programs that I need to do to rush up and down when I'm at home.

So believing actually on the hand or writing actually is that I believe that they say, write it, and you'll remember, yeah.

So the moment you write it, you will remember.

So that's why I'm still carrying around this channel.

The channel I have 90 now at all.

If you happen to come to Kenya and visit me, I will show you what I was doing in 2003, 2004.

Wow. I would love to.

So that's every year you write down all of your running.

Absolutely. Every single one.

Every single one. And what are you documenting?

Like what are you writing down like what distance?

And I'm writing the time I cover under distance.

Everything I'm doing, I spark, massage, everything I'm putting there.

So it helps you remember.

Does it help you also when you're reviewing it, kind of see patterns.

Or when I do this, this happens.

Or when I do this, I'm running quickly.

That sort of thing?

The cool thing is that if you are writing everything every day it helps you not to miss that training because the moment you miss training for today she will test put when you refer to your channel you see oh I miss the training from last week three times I miss the training this week two times with no reason at all.

So it's good actually that I really need my book to get to fill it that's why I don't miss training.

Do you do it when you wake up, do you do it after the run, do you do it in the evening, or does it just depend day to day?

When I woke up, I don't handle anything.

I just woke up, cut my clothes, put on.

When I woke up, I don't see, I don't actually handle my phone, I'm waking up, prepare for warang.

After Tehran, I go back for breakfast. part of the class.

Coming back to relax, then I start now, my training was 20 kilometers, then I write, actually, the time I cover under kilometers, and I close the channel and start to check the phone, if there is some texts to refat or emails or anything else, but all in all, I treat myself fast for other things.

So you wake up, you get yourself ready for a run, You're not looking at your phone, you do your run.

It's only after that important thing is done for you that you then get into what the rest of the world wants you to do.

Absolutely, yeah. I always tell people that.

During breakfast actually, don't bring my phone.

Even we sat alone in our come whereby mobile phones are not allowed in the kitchen or we are tining, why we are eating.

To make people actually hit well and concentrate.

Reason number one is that they stop with this people call it to cut their phones immediately after training.

So you need to cut one hour of taking shower, taking breakfast, taking care of yourself for they respond to the whole world.

Most of them actually were saying that, hey, you know, imagine if I might be in.

Then I asked them how to borrow rooms for 1 hour 30 minutes.

If any emergency happens within 1 hour 30 minutes, we lose all of them.

He said, You know, then there is no need to accurately rushing to the phone.

Yeah. And what has happened has happened.

You cannot happily bring it back.

Yeah I love that. So what kind of time do you normally wake up?

And then, you know, I'm interested in that sort of routine, you wake up, is that with an alarm?

Is it without an alarm?

And then how long does it take you to warm up before you're out for your run?

Usually, my alarm is actually only at five.

Five foot five, that's quarter to six.

Workout, do the necessary.

Jane and put on? 10 by 6, then I'm on the road.

With our team, and we start training.

Do you always run in groups when you're training?

Yes. We always run in pick -rops.

Now, how does that go because if you're one of the fastest human beings on the planet, which I think you are, and most of us think you are, how does it work then when you're running in groups?

because presumably at some point, depending on what kind of run you're doing, presumably you're the fastest, so help me understand, how are you running groups?

Training actually it's not about competing, you are training we're not competing, so you normally run five meters was actually at the park.

But all in all of my life I need to be with people and run with the young people to truly motivate them.

When I'm there actually, everybody's life.

There is life when I'm there.

When I miss training in the morning or when I'm doing something else then everybody always will see 100 course after that 100 hours.

Where are you? It's about training, it's not about competition.

but you can train actually for four months in a good way with everybody, but I think the mind actually people should learn or actually practice their mind to under the pressure and actually have hard work and believe in pushing the limits, the moment they believe in pushing the limits and under the pressure, they will run for first. you know, it's supposed to a two thing that that can carry your day.

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These days in the UK, people will talk about running for their mental wellbeing.

My taxi driver, a chap called Daniel, in the northwest of England, he told me a few months ago that he runs 10K every day, seven days a week, and he says if he doesn't run those 10K, he doesn't feel good.

He doesn't feel he's settled.

A lot of us also do this by ourselves, right?

like, you know, culture in the West has become quite isolated.

People often don't live near their families, near their friends.

They're living maybe they've moved to a different city for work and they often work by themselves and then they go running by themselves and they struggle to motivate themselves to keep going.

But what I'm hearing from you is that you run in groups.

And of course, that makes sense.

If you're not gonna show up, you're letting people down, they're gonna say, hey, Elliot, where are you?

Why are you not running today?

What's going on? And it makes me, it really fits into what I think, where I think we're really going wrong in the West. We're becoming more isolated.

We're doing more and more things by ourselves.

And I think that's why that group park run every Saturday is proving so successful for so many people across the UK and around the world is because people are running in groups, which helps motivate you.

Have you noticed this when you go around the world, you're speaking to people.

Have you noticed that culturally, the relationship to running we may have, let's say in the UK or in America, is different from the relationship people have with running in let's say Kenya?

Absolutely yes. In America and Europe, most people are running by themselves, but my encouragement is that, That's why I always say I want to make running a family event is that if you want to enjoy more running, you run.

Cut a crew. Cut two, three, four, five people actually.

Assemble yourself successfully in a point.

If it's everyday, then that's well done good.

And just run. You'll enjoy.

You'll just talk as you are going.

Ideas are coming in.

And you put on paper 10 or bit.

And sometimes when you are alone, you think you are running and you are not running.

Your mind is in another place.

Running is not about legs.

Running is about actually the mind.

Your legs might be on the back, but your mind might be actually on the plane.

So you need a group so that it can actually protect tell you are thoughts from approximately exploding going away and bring back to where you are running.

So group running, actually, is crucial to keep you on the course, make you enjoy running and you can not actually get tired.

The moment you are alone, you start to think a lot, then you cannot finish 10 kilometers if you are currently aiming it.

Many of us struggle with motivation.

Do you ever wake up in the morning and you know you're due to have a run?

And do you ever think like many of us, Oh, I can't be bothered today, I'm not feeling it today, I wanna stay in bed.

Help us understand are you as human as the rest of us or do you wake up and yeah, it's time to run.

I call it days and days where I don't feel like Rani.

Really? Absolutely, yes.

But just lie on the bed and I ask myself, if I don't run, what will happen?

And you know, if you don't run in the morning, you lie to yourself, at 10 o 'clock, I will go for a run.

At 10 o 'clock, you'll say, no. 4 o 'clock, I'll go for a run.

Then the day actually will be off.

So I'll ask myself, what would happen?

Then I wake up, cut my shoes, cut my clothes, cut the roll.

In 10 minutes time, I'm joking, And then my foot will come up again in training.

And I will be in life I will come to life again.

Yeah. Now I love that do you tend to run every day usually?

Yes. I run every day every day.

Even like I don't know, like I know you're in recovery now because you obviously you run last weekends but you still running every day?

I know. So I'll start next week.

And for many of us when we do a marathon and then, the next day can be quite painful in terms of going up and down stairs, we can really, really feel it.

Is it the same for you or can you walk effortlessly the day after?

No, it's the same for me.

Same for you? We're this stairs, I call it, you know, where I'm there has been there, has been actually a, a soka, in your muscles.

And you know, all that feedback from the road is, is hard. So you have the marathon, hobble, like the rest of us.

Hearing what you're saying about groups and running together, I'm drawn back to last Sunday's race again where I don't know, obviously you had the pacers.

There was a fellow competitor who was with you for quite a long time.

I don't know if you were aware of that, if you're thinking, wow, people are still with me.

I don't know what goes in your head at that time.

I'm very interested.

But then, there comes a moment where you no longer have your pacers, you no longer have competitors to help push you.

What goes on in your mind that because then it's down to self -motivation at that point.

You don't have many of us know that actually, we can run faster.

There's people around us.

If we're trying to beat someone, we're trying to keep up with someone.

But in many of the races I've seen you do, you're out in front by yourself.

Is it hard to keep that motivation going for you when it's just you?

Oh, the stream started when people are around me.

First year I always say, I will run my own race.

If anybody actually wants to run my race, then he's welcome, I will know that quality and I, you are welcome to run my race.

So if you want to run your own, that's okay, but I'll run my race.

That's why I don't see, I don't actually turn my cell phone, look back, who is there?

Because I am running my own race.

If actually the distance actually is going up and the speed is going up and the muscle starts to a colleague, he saw and nobody's there.

Then I'm retreating myself, I am still pushing.

I'll push by my own.

No, because I trust in my trainings.

I trust in what I've been doing.

So I know what I've been doing will just take me to the finishing line.

So I'm not actually scared of maybe losing some minutes because I'm alone or he and I know.

You say you're pushing.

One of the most striking things to me, Elliot when I watch you run, is how relaxed you look.

There's an elegance.

You look majestic. Your posture is fabulous.

If I find it very hard to tell the difference between you at mile one and at mile 26.

To me, maybe I've got an untrained eye.

But it looks remarkably similar.

Whereas if you go to a local race here, towards the end, you will see all kinds of postures and people are somehow trying to struggle to get through.

So you're saying that you're struggling and you're pushing.

Of course, why would you not in order to break a world record?

yet at the same time, you look super relaxed.

Can you help us understand that?

Looking super relaxed is, that's a good, it's good for me.

And that's a, I have recorded train well and train my putty, I call it to, to run in a super relaxed way, but in a high pace.

So when I'm in there, I'm just maintaining it.

But to maintain that speed is what actually is really hard to maintain, but it's good to maintain in a good posture without a strong look so much. I've spoken to many people on this show before about nasal breathing, about some of the benefits that we have when we breathe through our nose instead of through our mouth.

And I can't tell when I watch you, you look so relaxed, only for the first half of that marathon last Sunday when I was watching you, I thought, is Olivier just breathing through his nose or is his mouth open?

Do you think about this?

Is this something you're aware of?

Yes, but I breathe through my mouth.

You breathe through your mouth?

Yes. Yes, from the start to the finish.

The more the speed, the more the more it is.

You cannot breathe in one nose with a...

At the speed. You're going...

No, I can't believe that.

Yes, yes. I can believe that but thank you for clarifying that.

And what about your smile?

What I call the Kipcogi smile.

We hear that you smile when you're in pain.

Is that true? Or, you know, maybe maybe explain to us, you know, you seem for someone who is running such long distances at such Frankly a pace that we can't fathom, you know, I know you were at the running show yesterday so I'm guessing you saw people trying to run your pace and I'm guessing nobody look.

Wait, first of all, what is it like for you when you watch amateur runners trying to run at your pace?

I feel tense. You feel tense?

Yes. Why? Even seeing yourself running on TV, you just feel so...

They can injure themselves on the treadmill and fall off?

Yeah, I saw last year somebody fall off, but I think he was not injured.

yet, so, yeah, but, I call it a smile is to enjoy, you know, if you feel that pain, please keep that pain, if you feel the pain, then feel it, the more you've actually move with the pain, that's where success is.

Yeah, everybody, we are 10 and you feel the real pain, then everybody is, is feeling the pain.

And few of them will actually know how to handle pain.

We'll be successful and we'll move on to another level.

So how do we learn how to handle pain?

You should understand that pain is part of success.

Just combat pain into a positive thing.

That success is not coming on a silver plaid.

You need to work for it.

The moment you are working for it, that's how you undergo pain.

Pain in your body and pain in your mind, thinking.

But at the end you will enjoy.

Immediately we close the line, immediately the pain is no longer there.

You think pain is a good thing.

Absolutely it's a good thing.

Pain is a good thing.

It actually guides you to know that you need to work hard. It's guiding you to respect that success that you have earned.

Yeah, yes if all people all successful people could not undergo pain then you can see other things in this world but because pain is heightened them that they by play I am successful, but if I don't do the right thing actually I Not hand success again.

Yeah, it's it's fascinating hearing that earlier because I'm I keep thinking about what you said earlier that It's about planning.

It's about preparation.

That's almost where the success lies, not in the actual outcome of the race.

You know, you didn't quite say that, but that's certainly what I'm...

That's what I meant.

That's what I'm taking.

I find that a really powerful idea.

And you say on the day then, no matter what's happening, the crowds, the weather, things you can't control, Well, you can trust yourself because you know you've done the training.

Now, that's really powerful.

If we apply that to pain, I'm asking you how can we each of us learn to handle pain better?

But I keep thinking about what you said.

Well, if you've never practiced being in pain, how would you know ever how to handle it?

It sounds as though you have trust in your body because you know you've done the work, you've experienced pain.

you've got through pain, you've overcome adversity.

So you know on the next day or the next day, you've got that experience in your body, I know I can do this.

And it sounds like that's a key thing for you, the trust that you have because you've done the hard work.

The harder the work you are doing, the more the pain, but that one doesn't prevent you from actually depicted that, let us say I've trained for four months.

In a good way, there is pain, but you enjoy the pain.

In that very day that you are running a marathon, pain should be there.

On training, not the last days.

You should experience, you will experience pain here.

But what I'm trying to say is that the moment you actually encounter that pain, place of peace with the land of peace, because that's where success is.

The moment you don't feel pain then you are not approaching success.

The moment you really feel that please I need to just quit.

That's where success is.

Don't quit. Still keep on.

I always tell people press on, press on and press on.

Well, I felt like you were the one who got to where you are.

Many people feel nervous the day before, let's say a marathon or a big work presentation or something big in their lives.

They feel a little bit nervous and anxious and they don't sleep very well.

So, it's pretty well known many amateur marathon runners, I did my very first marathon last Last year at the London marathon. Which didn't go particularly well, but I did finish.

I did complete it and I'm planning to do it in April.

Do you ever find yourself the night before a race lying in bed thinking, man, I need to sleep.

I can't sleep. I've got a big race tomorrow.

Has that ever happened?

Or have you trained yourself to sleep well the night before a big race?

Not really. I'm like other people.

I sleep for two hours, the cup sees it's no longer than another two hours.

So it's really, it's common it's a cutting and and it's good for it shows that you are prepared to do, to end your life tomorrow.

Yeah. Yeah. I know you wear an AURORA ring to track your sleep.

Yes. And I'm really interested in technology and how it can help us with our health.

I think sometimes we can overuse it potentially.

You obviously are an elite athlete.

So knowing, you know, how you're running, how you're sleeping.

These things are really, really important for you to do your job.

Is it demoralizing for you the night before a race?

I don't know what happened the night before Berlin, for example.

If you have a bad night's sleep and you look at your o -ring in the morning and you see a really bad readiness score, or has that ever happened and does that demoralize you, or have you learned not to take too much notice?

Yes. The next day I don't actually click to the half and.

You won't look. I won't look.

Oh, so if you've had a bad night, you won't look?

I don't look. Yes. Yes.

But I know I've been joining many charters and it's it's for one day to go to really sleep.

Yeah. I'm always fascinated by talking to people like you are at the top of their game.

and I think of other people at the top of their sports people who are regarded as the greatest and in golf for example Tiger Woods is regarded as by many people as the greatest or certainly one of the greatest golfers of all time.

Now I've heard Tiger Woods say in interviews that when he is playing his best. He's so focused on what he's doing with the ball and where the hole is that he doesn't hear or see the crowds.

I've heard you say earlier that actually you do hear the crowds you enjoy hearing what they have to say so I'm interested you know as I share that sort of insight from Tiger do you ever get like that's where you're not hearing them and you're really focused or does Does it just depend on what stage of a race you're in?

Starting from beginning actually, what the crowds are saying on the way, people are singing and I'm not looking up at them, but if focusing on the road.

But I hear people are clearly cheering on the way and I have no problem that's good, that cheering is good.

So, you hear it, and you use...

But I block my Mayan aqua from thinking outside and bring the Mayan aqua to the every mile splits, every kilometre splits, and focus on the project at the time.

Yeah. You're obviously very well known around the world.

Many people with profiles like yours will face, you know, maybe 95 % positive comments online, but maybe 5 % negative comments.

When those negative comments come, if they do, how do you deal with them?

Oh, negative comments are there in all the sport.

You know, the law of nature cannot allow us to think together.

There are optimists and pessimists in this world, and we need to respect all of them because we are all human beings.

So any negative thought actually we respect and that's life, you know, other things actually is that you don't, you need to just forget, just see then forget.

You don't put in your mind.

But a lot is there.

There is a lot of positive remarks, negative remarks.

What can you do? Yeah.

You cannot prevent them from talking.

But you can prevent them from coming inside your life, because they are negative.

Some top athletes have struggled when they've retired.

You know, Michael Phelps, another great, you know, all -time swimming great.

It's been well documented that he has struggled with mental health problems in the past. And I watched the documentary he made about Olympians and how many of them have really struggled.

You know about four years, it's all about that one race.

And then the day after there's, Oh, what am I getting up for?

I've got nothing to train for, nothing to practice for.

And I'm really interested.

you appear to be, to me at least, in the prime of your career.

I hope we are seeing you running for many, many years to come.

Have you thought about retirement?

Have you thought about how you're going to feel when you no longer do this as your job?

Yes, in front of my mind, I know how to retire.

But I will retire when the time comes in.

I would retire running actively, but I will still go around all the big -city marathons running for charity, to actually raise funds for my foundation, to build the libraries and an equally conceived environment.

I think I will be more busy when I retire and I want to—I'm looking forward for it.

So you don't need the running the world records to make you feel good about yourself.

Not at all. I could retire in 2019 when I bragged to a party.

So it's, I will retire when my muscles are no longer consuming the trainings.

When my mind is no longer actually actively consuming at the training.

So I went to retire in a good way.

I don't want to retire because I have made an history.

Then when I retire, I have made history.

If I've inspired a billion people by running 112 hours.

And then the next day, a kid, at any minute, it asks, is that person who inspires still learning?

What's the meaning of learning?

The meaning of learning is that you inspire many people who still run and show them running is life.

Megan issue and Akkari removing the barriers in the mind is people is a great thing, but we need to keep on.

Yeah, yeah. Do you think you'll still be running in your 70s, your 80s, Shannad?

Oh, absolutely yes.

You know, seven years ago, I met an old man in Athens in Greece, I was there for some awards and the old man actually was 912 years.

I was a very good old man, 912 years, still working.

And he told me, no, now you're running marathon and I told him, yes.

He told me that he has to be running in his life, all his life.

But he will stop running at 100.

I trust now he's 98.

I've never followed him, I've not got these contacts.

But I think he has to run because it's becoming old because of the knees.

but still running. I asked him, there was a secret actually, you have a court, you are clean with a tie and it don't look like you're ninety one.

It tells me the secret is running.

Wow. Yeah. Yeah. I guess if you were to stop running after let's say another Olympic gold or another world record, then I guess in some ways it's not consistent with your philosophy, which is those are just outcomes, they're things that happen as a side effects of you just concentrating on getting up each day, doing the work, having a plan, preparing, executing on your plan.

And I guess whether you're a competitive athlete or whether you're just running for funds raise money, you still seem to have that real love of running.

I mean, do you ever get up Elliot and forget the log, forget what my coach has said.

I just wanna run today because I'm free and I just wanna experience what it feels like.

Absolutely yes. Our coach actually was even as free on Mondays, Wednesdays and Fridays.

So it's in the morning we are running as a group in a freeway.

Yeah. and enjoy running for 20 kilometers.

Easy, just to where you feel.

Yeah, yeah. How have you managed to stay clear of injuries in a way that you know, it seems to be quite rare.

And the context I'm gonna be asking this is in the UK and I think in America there are various statistics going around that, you know, 60 to 80 % maybe if runners have to stop or give up at some point because of injury, whereas you appear to be someone who touch wood manages to stay relatively clear.

Is there anything you can share about that?

First is that injuries are a part of life in sport, injuries are a part of our challenge in sport.

But what I'm doing is that When I am assuming training after marathon, then I take care of my body with a massage and making sure my muscles are good.

I will start the first amount of acclimation by going to magnesium for the old man three days a week, running on steps, lifting some weights, and aerobics for the old man.

that all manner is really in density mixing with some runs and it can actually it makes my muscles actually to if there is something going on it can actually keep us in immediately and I can handle it and after that one man I go to another step of actually ensuring speed and ensuring training to build my muscles.

So two months actually of my training is building the muscles and actually like chasing the injury and now you'll never, if you do that, you will never get an injury or if you got an injury, it will be just a small injury.

It will be right away because you can prevent everything but you have done a lot which it's 8 % chance that you cannot get an injury.

Would you say you're good if an injury is starting to come up or you feel a niggle, are you quite good at saying, hey look, I'm not going to do that long run today, I just need to look after this.

Absolutely, when I get something is wrong, I trace it immediately.

Yeah, it's good to trace as highly as possible.

Yeah, because I think a lot of people a lot of my patients that I speak to their work is so pressured They're so looking forward to their Saturday run but even if they've They're injured as they run through and they often then get get injured and then they're off for two months They can't do anything and I feel like I see this a lot with training plans Elliott.

I don't know your view on this Of course you are an elite athlete whose job revolves around running Many people with busy jobs, and I'm not saying you don't have a busy job.

I mean, let's say a non -elite athlete, let's say a busy parent, trying to do their job, look after their children.

They're trying to squeeze a run -in at the weekends, or they're trying to train for a marathon, and they see a published training plan online.

Okay, three runs a week.

This one's 12 miles.

This one's 14. I mean, my feeling as a doctor is that sometimes we don't trust ourselves enough.

We see the plan, we think even though I'm tired or my knees hurting, I must stick to that plan because that's the published plan.

Whereas I kind of feel we should be using plans as guidance but we also have to trust ourselves and go it's not the right thing for me today.

What's kind of your perspective on that?

My perspective, actually, is that you should have a feeling of yourself.

Feel for yourself. Is it am I an acout?

I have to do this established thing?

You should have that person that listens to your body.

If you listen to your body, actually, that's really crucial.

So it's good to listen to your body to what is necessary.

It can save your energy, it can save your career of not being injured, and many things.

It's really good to listen to your body.

Self -discipline is something that I've heard you speak about before.

You said it's very, very important.

When you say self -discipline, what exactly do you mean by that?

That's crucial thing, and that's value number one.

You know, in our come, I set up a printed a huge billboard. When you hand out a gate, the second gate you get a huge billboard with 60 values.

60? 60. Six zero values?

Wow. Yes. I encourage everybody to cut 15 values.

15. After cutting 15 they should narrow them to three.

Those three values we should live by it, sleep by it, walk by those values.

Run by those values.

Relax by those values.

I go around with your friends, guided by those values.

When we come to Self -discipline, which is inside those values, what I mean by Self -discipline is it's that sacrificial or personal passion and pleasures that you sacrifice those passions and pleasures to allow you to do or to work on your career.

How can you help self -discipline?

The rule number one is to get vitamin N.

Vitamin N? Yes. That's the rule number one, you need to inject your celibate vitamin N.

N is for? N is to learn to say no. That's a vitamin.

That's how to get self -discipline.

Secondly, setting up priorities right.

Thatly is avoid complaining.

Those are the three factors which can lead you to self -discipline.

I want to tell you that doing all these things is not one -night event.

It's a process. because it's like going to the gym for nine hours.

I go for three months.

Who is going to get the muscles?

Good muscles, it's me because I'm going for three months.

If you go for nine hours, it's just nothing to destroy your body.

So it's a process, it's a process, it's a real process that you can actually in the three month time, you have absorbed the self -discipline.

That's why I always tell people, it's not a one -night event.

To cut vitamin and learning to say no in everything is not easy.

Setting your priorities right is not easy.

Avoid complaining in anything is not easy.

But if you combine the three things, you can have self -discipline.

And without those three then there is no self -discipline.

That's what I mean by actually trying to tell people self -discipline is the key to any professional sports person or sports woman.

And I've heard you say before that the discipline, it doesn't restrict us, it actually gives us more freedom.

Absolutely, yes. I always say that the discipline ones are free in life.

They are in discipline months are not free.

They are in prison because you are in discipline.

And wherever you go, you know that I am not supposed to do this anymore to it.

That means you are in prison.

In this world, you need to be, we need to be free, walk free, live a honest life and that's the way to go.

Yeah. You're commonly known for the phrase, no human is limited.

When you say no human is limited, what do you mean by that?

No human is limited, naturally.

It's not applying purely to sportsman and sportswoman.

It's not for running alone.

It's for all the professionals in this world.

I want that engineer actually to remove that barrier in his mind.

That he or she can think and innovate something which can help the world.

I want that teacher actually to have the best mind to inject knowledge to the kids.

I want that psychologist actually to have the best knowledge.

To actually talk to people and remove what they have as a problem.

I want that coach actually to have the best skills to instill to expose women and men.

I want that policeman to really know how to talk to people and to handle peace and security in his or her own country.

I want that leader to really provide the real skills of leadership.

I want those old leaders actually to impress that they are not limited and make sure that the world is in peace, and the world is developing towards a positive direction.

That's what I mean by no human is limited.

It applies to everybody, it's a universal thing which affects every human being in this world.

And if everybody actually absorbs and craps and prays, no human is limited.

You can work out tomorrow and work.

You can work out tomorrow and do anything.

I want that student actually to get the first class on us, because he or she's not limited.

I want that person actually to get that expensive force and work on it and pass it, because he's not limited.

That's what I mean.

How do you instill this sort of philosophy in your own children?

Is it hard? Do they see what you do and that inspires them or do you also have any sort of specific ways that you talk to your kids about things like this?

I'm trying, luckily, always to talk with my kids in a free way, to tell them, always ask them, do you know I am going to come from Monday to Saturday morning?

They say yes, to do what?

To train. After training, you can't compete.

After competing, you win.

After we ended, then you make us comfortable and pay our school fees.

That's what my children are saying.

So I told them, you are also not limited.

Go to school, walk out, come and play, and do anything else and you will be successful and they are accepting.

Yeah. It's been such an honor, honestly, Elliot, to talk to you, you're someone who has been incredibly inspirational for me in my own life.

When I go running and I'm feeling tired, I often think of you.

I think, come on run like Elliot's, that literally happens in my mind.

I stand up a bit taller.

I think keep your form, keep your good posture like he does.

So, I know you know you're inspiring millions of people around the world.

You're certainly inspiring this.

This British guy here talking to you right now, before we finish up just a couple of things in my mind.

Many people these days when they run, they try and distract themselves from the pain with music or podcasts.

Do you have any view on the benefit of running with music and or podcasts?

During the easy runs, it's good to listen to music and listen to podcasts.

During the easy runs?

Yes, yeah. But with the intensive runs, I don't think you will listen because you're pushing your body and the music and podcasts cannot work.

But, with the Usirans, when you are relaxing, when you are at a gym, when you are at a pike, after pike, podcast and music is really good.

That's fantastic. Because you can actually listen for podcasts for an hour and you forget, it was running for an hour, hey, so it's a one hour.

The breaking two hours was, of course, done in specific conditions.

You obviously have shown yourself that you can run a marathon in under 2 hours, which is still one of the most incredible things I have seen.

Do you think within your career it's going to be possible to do that in a competitive marathon?

Absolutely. It's possible.

I have demonstrated actually in organized marathon which I personally I cannot say it was in a specific condition because you know, few people actually have there to try not even there to try there to think they are not there to think.

I think I am the only one was when have there to think and they are to try here.

none are there to try, leave alone even, leave alone they are never even there to think, leave alone to try, just thinking to run in their minds that can I run two hours, never.

So it's still a job for people to coughing to accept but all you know is that I know Well, planning and the tools and I know more than like, in and at London, Pauline, Chicago, it's absolutely possible.

And where's that going to come from?

Where's that improvement going to come from?

Is it training, nutrition, mindset, shoes?

I mean, where do you think?

Because to me, like my kids, we were talking about this last week, he goes ah, Daddy, just another minute to go, if he can do that.

But of course at that level, 10 seconds is huge.

A minute is like another marathon. Like where do you feel that improvements is going to come from?

The improvements are going to involve many things.

Nutrition will be there, technology will be there, teamwork, teammates, your right systems are going to be like teammates, those who are working, I think people working around you will take their key positions, and all will be well.

So, I think if actually the right systems will be there on an athlete, after those right systems. If that athlete actually has the right mind, and he is a real thing, and he wants to try, then he will run under two hours.

First and foremost, the systems might be there in a good way, but this person actually sees a kri in his heart and mind to try to run and under two hours, that's a big question.

We should put on and we should actually make it a call before we tell somebody to come and try.

We need to, himself, we need to come in a broad daylight and say, hey, I have taught enough and I wonder trying to, then the system comes in.

And we said that it, It's so inspiring speaking to you, and I'm pretty sure this conversation is going to inspire everyone to do their own version of a subtour marathon in their own lives.

It may not be a subtour marathon but it could be, whatever it might be for that person.

But as you say, you need to imagine it.

You need to believe it first before you're ever going to achieve it.

I think that's a very, very powerful message.

which earlier this podcast, It's called feel better, live more, when we feel better in ourselves.

We get more out of our lives.

And finally at the end of, for me a wonderful conversation with an incredibly inspirational guy.

I just want for people who are struggling around the world, they're struggling with the state of their lives, they're struggling with making things consistent, doing the things that they said they were going to do.

Have you got any final words for them?

First and foremost is that you know many people are struggling, many people have lost hope, and when you lose hope, they say your first and foremost is that you can survive with water for 40 days.

But if you lose hope, it's only five seconds and you're dead.

So it's good to have hope.

On the other hand is that we should actually try to understand about life, and know what life entails.

You know, then it will luckily allow us to struggle through it, but to understand it, walk on it slowly by slowly and you'll learn to learn.

Adhikup Chagi, thank you so much and good luck for everything you're doing.

I really appreciate it.

Thank you very much. Really hope you enjoyed that conversation.

As always, do have a think about one thing that you can take away and start applying into your own life.

Thank you so much for listening.

Have a wonderful week.

And always remember, you are the architect of your own health.

Making lifestyle changes always worth it.

Because when you feel better, you live more.

You

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엘리우드 킵초게: 준비와 계획으로 빚어내는 삶의 마스터리

1. 성공은 기다리는 것이 아니라 준비하는 것이다

2. 자기 절제와 '비타민 N'

3. 고통을 대하는 태도: 고통은 성공의 일부

4. 커뮤니티와 일상의 루틴

5. 결론: 인간은 한계가 없다

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