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this is morbid morbid on mikey's birth week it's mikey's birthday soon so this morning we decorated the whole entire pod lab it looks a little low budget but she's looking at the streamers that i hung when she said that it wasn't just about your streamers my my work is interesting as well i scotch taped the birthday sign but we got a cake but we got a gorgeous autumnal cake from this delicious bakery that we know of that we ate for breakfast yeah we literally ate cake for breakfast and i got this cool candle from tarjay it's called a mega candle okay cool is an interesting way to describe that candle
it is cool i was gonna explain to you what it did while i was holding it yeah so it's cool if you're like an arsonist which you're not and nor am i that's rude the arsonist listening is like um excuse me actually i am hey so tell me about this candle you know you light the middle of it and there's like all these other yeah they're like petals with um other candles attached to it so you light this thing in the middle and then slowly it lights all the other candles and then it shoots all the petals out and it starts fucking going around in a circle and the fire was just the first as soon as ash
lit it this bonfire erupted from the middle of it i was like oh we're all gonna die i thought i was gonna have to stop drop and roll immediately and then it just shot open and all these little fires and i was like what are we doing in here yeah childish gambino started started playing it was crazy oh my god i was like john's gonna have questions when we burn half the house down honestly a lot of smoke shot up and we were standing like right under the smoke detector but you know birthdays and then it wouldn't stop listen it's cool but it wouldn't stop like humming happy birthday it was like a music
box kind of so we had to rip the fucking cord out of there yeah so that was our morning yeah and it's not gonna get less chaotic from here because the story i have is pretty fucking awful oh yeah it's gonna be weird telling this story with like streamers and like yeah it's on the ground it's actually really upsetting thinking about it that way actually i'm looking around like oh oh no this is gonna be split into two parts oh she's got a two part we got a two part of a horrible tale a lot happening a lot going on and you know you're gonna absorb this in in two phases because i'm gonna absorb this in two
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It's not a nice situation.
None of these are, but.
No, but some, you know.
Some hit you just in different ways.
Right, right. This is the story of Alvin and Judith and Neely.
Oh, I've heard of them, yeah.
Yeah. 70s? Yeah, well, actually early 80s.
Oh, okay. But some of it happened in the, yeah, it's not great.
Early 80s crimes and like true crime have a certain feel to them.
Yeah, they do. They have a vibe that I don't do well with.
The 80s were wild. Yeah.
Like every decade was wild in its own way.
The 80s have a certain...
It's like a grimy wild.
It is. Because it's like the griminess of the 70s kind of like leaks into the early griminess of the 80s.
And then it just mixes with some like day glow colors and it gets weird. Yeah, Grimy and Dayglo don't go together, but they do in the 80s.
They sure do. So go for it.
So on September 11th, 1982, Ken Dooley, a Youth Development Center employee in Rome, Georgia, was shot at in his home by an unseen attacker.
He wasn't shot, but he was shot at.
And in his home, you said?
In his home. Jesus.
By some unseen attacker outside.
side and the following day his co -worker linda adair linda linda adair was also attacked when someone threw a whole molotov cocktail at her house in an attempt to kill her jesus and again these are co -workers at the youth development center in rome georgia so obviously something's going on here and although neither duly nor adair knew at the time these were actually just the first first attacks in a violent, senseless, and very confusing crime spree that was committed by Alvin and Judith and Neely.
Oh, man. At the time, they were a married couple who, I mean, their brutality is up there.
And you wonder, like, how people like this find each other.
We say that all the time.
This one, when we get to find out how they found each other, and when you see the entire thing, you're like wow yeah this is just this is just like especially Judy she did not I mean she she didn't have a lot of chance here but what she turned into is a monster I mean unthinkable it really is unthinkable yeah I know that this is like a really gnarly case and I know the name of it but I definitely don't know all the details yeah a little just like let you know ahead of time there is like speak of sexual assault there's speak of rape there's some really gnarly stuff in here so just like be warned
yeah um alvin though he's he's a very confusing case study i would say because we're going to talk about it that he kind of didn't really have any signs in the beginning or nothing that we are being told of or can find but when you find out certain things that happened in his teenage years and later you're like that didn't just come out of nowhere from his childhood like something's off something's awry i don't know so alvin howard neely jr was born july 15th 1953 in treon georgia akansa i had to look up how to say treon georgia because i didn't i didn't want to mess it up it was one of those
weird pronunciations have you guys ever used because i know i know like people are obsessed with pronunciations everywhere so when you look it it up on the internet you get several different kinds one of them is pronouncednames .com and that one's very like this is how you say that and then you get a french guy i love the french guy who's like hold on let me tell you how to say this and you're like the way you say this name is this and you're like oh my goodness and you love it and he has a very comforting voice it's very i love it and then there's a whole fucking robot and then there's an yeah
there's ai there's just a robot robot and i got that one but it tells you trion georgia and it's like trion georgia and then it says a wonderful place to live and i said that's good it's weird so that's trion georgia um it's apparently a small pretty rural community about two hours from atlanta okay you said rural so good there rural yeah it's hard some rural juror uh alvin was the youngest of three children children and his early life like i said pretty unremarkable like very normal according to all the things we can find allegedly he had a good home life he was well liked at school in the community
he ended up really getting a reputation for being very charming he was like a little jokester a little prankster but nothing when he was younger it was nothing like oh he was a prankster and he was pissing people off and he's like oh he's just like a little jokester he's a charmer you know okay and he was described as always having a smiling face so he was just always happy interesting according to author thomas cook it was a great childhood filled with days of hunting and fishing and hanging out with the other boy scouts his childhood was a festival of joy wow a festival of joy unrelatable i
was like who can relate to that i was like who's i don't know if I've ever experienced a festival of joy.
Oh, I've experienced a festival of joy.
But I'm like what the fuck?
Mike, he raised his hand and said today.
Today. This is an off -brand festival of joy.
A festival of joy. A store -bought festival of joy.
It just sounds, that's so, that's incredible that sentence.
Like you're in the entirety of your childhood.
Everything. Never had a bad day.
No. Shit. Not Alvin.
I mean, that's what that says to me, like never had a bad day.
Yeah, that's what it sounds like.
By the time he went to Fort McHenry Elementary School, he had learned that his charm and his very easygoing personality, his smile, his niceness, it was a way he could draw people to him.
Yeah. That's how he was going to get friends.
And he also learned in elementary school that he could use it to his advantage a little while.
Oh, yeah. A little bit.
Cool. So he quickly became the class clown.
He really loved making everybody laugh.
he would disrupt class a lot but nothing like crazy he wasn't getting into trouble really that much it was just kind of he was that kid I was always and I wasn't like a brainiac or anything like I wasn't like I'm trying to listen to the teacher but like those kids always pissed me off like the kids that would like distract class yeah just shut the fuck up yeah that always pissed me off then and it still pisses me off now yeah yeah like whenever the tea um the girls will tell me about somebody who's like always fucking around in class i'm like honestly don't hang out with them the fuck up kids
like they're they're lacking something yeah don't hang out everyone in school is like okay fuck you guys i'm just kidding um but yeah he loved to make his classmates laugh and once he got into like adolescence like early adolescence he started using his charm and humor to pick up girls ladies um and you know they would go to the local swimming pool do these really wholesome things and he would always especially the local swimming pool was like the big thing there because there was not a lot going on in that town so it was like it was a tree on georgia i just said what town was that it was in the town
of georgia that's good yeah uh you know small town but this was a rural community so it's like this swimming the town pool pool was like the thing to do in the late 70s you know the checks and when he would go there he was the center of attention of course um and apparently so cook that author that i mentioned before also wrote it got so the pool owner would let him in for free shit just so the other people would show up and pay the entrance price wow so he was the fucking his childhood was a fucking festival that is a festival of joy i guess like i don't think anybody's wrong i never had that So this all
sounds like, holy shit, like he's even getting it.
Like he's a celeb. He's a bougie kid.
They're letting him into places for, they're letting him into the club for free so that other people come.
No cover. Yeah. And he's like early adolescent.
He's an influencer.
But then something happened.
Or he was, I should say.
When he reached high school.
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And I don't know what happened.
We can't figure out what happened, but he hit high school and he was still a charmer, still had that reputation, was still like thriving in that way.
But he started taking like a dark turn in his personality.
He was moodier. He suddenly started developing or at least finally showing a very explosive temper that didn't seem to be present before.
OK. And he began committing petty crimes that eventually escalated to car theft. Shit.
so like we went from festival of joy to like hitting high school and something really changing and there was like no tragedy within the family not that i could find i mean he was an active kid so he was in boy scouts like he was in that kind of stuff i don't know if something happened in like some kind of you know tbi you don't know right you really don't know so it's like i don't i couldn't put i couldn't find anything right and neither could dave we were like what the the fuck happened to this guy um but that's so he's escalating already he's doing petty crimes like you know car theft is pretty
big and in 1973 when he was 20 years old he met a 15 year old oh named joanne browning no 20 years old and this girl is 15 fucking gross joanne was an acquaintance of alvin's half brother betty farrington who worked at the local grocery store in dalton georgia and that's how they met.
Joanne found Alvin so charming because remember, he's still a charmer.
He's a jokester. You know, when you're 15 and some older guys show an interest in you.
And despite their wild age difference, they began dating.
Where were Joanne's parents?
So this 20 year old man is dating a 15 year old girl.
Like what the fuck do you guys have in common?
Nothing. So in early 1974, not long after they had began dating, joann actually moved in with alvin and quickly became pregnant with what would be the first of the couple's three children wow yeah and at this point was he living on his own um at this point yeah okay so at first and i think he had he at at certain points he had gotten like an apartment by himself and then he would move back in with his parents so at times he and his wife or wives we will find out will move in with his parents sometimes okay now at first you know they seemed like they had a pleasant like existence together like
i mean they went on whatever is happening in there but it didn't take long before joanne finally saw that violent temper and she finally discovered that he was very quick to anger oh no so years later on the witness stand joanne described the first time that alvin physically assaulted her which had occurred early in her pregnancy.
Now, according to Joanne, she said, and this is like trigger warning, like this is pretty upsetting.
She said, quote, Alvin had beaten her on the breasts and arms and had stretched the corners of her mouth with his fingers.
What the fuck? Yeah.
Isn't that just like fucked up?
That's just strange and horrible.
Yeah. And she told the jury that this was the first of countless times that he assaulted her stretched her mouth yeah what and he would assault her every time he got mad about anything after that and knowing full well that she was pregnant oh yeah he didn't care the fuck now alvin and joanne got married after this in cleveland tennessee in january 1975 and this is when they moved back in with alvin's mother at the time that's just such a sad like like dichotomy oh it's horrific because walking down the aisle like that you're knowing what he does knowing what he does and you're like i think of it
like you're walking toward like your future like happiness and like joy and you're the best guy i know and it's like you're walking towards somebody that beats the shit out of you like and he's convincing you like oh like i'm sure he's doing that i'm sorry and i'm sure he's doing that i'll never do it again but some little part of you walking down that aisle you know is like some little voice in your head is scared you're walking talking towards someone you're afraid of that's so fucked it's awful i feel so hard for her and what's worse is they moved in with alvin's mother and even the presence
of her didn't do anything to stop the domestic violence really this is this is where i say what happened yeah like how do you turn a blind eye to your son in that house beating his pregnant that idyllic childhood Childhood that like was a festival of joy.
Right. But then he's moving in with his wife and beating the shit out of her while she's pregnant in front of you.
And you're not saying anything?
I don't know about that.
Like, I'm not saying anything because I don't know anything.
I'm just saying that's strange to me.
That's a strange...
I don't know. That doesn't...
That doesn't... The math ain't math in there for me, but I don't know.
but alvin used to be super paranoid that joanne was having affairs with men in the neighborhood that was like his obsessive thing and this was something that would send him into jealous rages a lot and he would physically assault her because of the paranormal paranoia and then would also drag her on wild goose chases to go search the neighborhood for her imagined like affair partners oh like he would like literally bring her to every house and be like is it him is it him that's so scary that he was that paranoid and he also insisted that she serve him and be submissive in every way at home oh no she
had to bathe him comb his hair and dress him why did he even want that that's bizarre this is why i'm questioning his some what happened yeah what happened Something's off here.
That's weird. I'm like, hmm.
Like, live your life the way you want to, and if two people are consenting to that, that's one thing.
But something's off here.
That's bizarre to me.
Just like you're forcing her to bathe you as a grown -ass man.
Yeah. And there were also times when he would just randomly become violent with her for no reason.
Like, there was no trigger even in his own mind.
And she said he would sometimes hit me with his fist, sometimes just hit me with his whole arm, And of course, I would run from him trying to protect myself by hiding in other rooms. But he would bust the door down.
Oh, my God. So he's just like a raging bull.
Like, what the fuck is going on here?
And then to think that three children were eventually witness to that is so fucked up.
It's horrific. Now, although he may have felt powerful and dominant in his home life with his wife and his children, outside the home, Alvin was just a complete fucking failure of a human being.
Yeah. Just a fucking loser.
loser. From the moment he began working, he struggled to maintain a job.
He would travel from one town to the next in search of work, and he would just drag his whole family with him.
Of course. And eventually, he became so demanding that Joanne, or he became so demanding that she finally agreed when he brought up the idea of committing robberies of convenience stores that he worked at in Dalton and Calhoun, Georgia, because he was like, well, I can't keep a job, so let's just steal money.
let's just rob places come on kids and she was so demanding and scary that she agreed and she claimed out of fear for her safety and safety of their children i believe that now at one point joanne couldn't handle it anymore so she ran away and left the children with him which i'm like why did you leave the children with him yeah and he threatened to like kill them if she didn't return so she did that's the thing like you're leaving that's the thing i was like that's scary yeah Yeah.
But she came back. And, again, but we also have to remember she's a child.
Yeah. Like she was 15.
She's still a teenager probably at this point.
Like at this point she's still a teenager.
Wow. And so she brought her 13 -year -old sister with her when she came back because, like, I think she just thought it would be some kind of, like, Comfort.
I mean, yeah. I can't even imagine this.
And she thought her presence would maybe mitigate what was happening here, but she was mistaken because almost immediately Alvin began physically assaulting Joanne right in front of her 13 -year -old sister and attempted to sexually assault her sister that evening.
Ew, what the fuck? He only stopped when Joanne threatened to kill him.
Wow. And her sister returned home to her mother's house the next day completely traumatized.
Of course. Now the cycle of abuse continued for several more months and Joanne would like every now and then just flee to her mother's house but was always brought back by him.
So, so sad. Until finally in 1977, she left for good and she left her three children with him.
Huh. I don't get that, but that's just me.
Yeah. But I've never been in that position.
I don't me either. But I'm just saying personally, I don't get leaving them with him.
I would never leave my children with someone like that.
No. But through her testimony in court, it was clear that joanne browning hated elvin neely obviously like had deep -seated hate for him finally i think it i think it took her a long time to get to that place but she fucking hated him i mean who wouldn't and but there and there and there's no doubt that he is an abusive piece of shit like for sure but i guess there was questions about the like how exaggerated some of the moments were like the attorneys were questioning it yeah because there there was, like, times when it didn't add up, so they thought maybe it was being, like, like certain instances
were being exaggerated a little bit.
Okay. But either way, he was an abusive prick.
That's the thing. And I don't really understand why, like, they felt the need to nitpick that, because it's, like, even if she is exaggerating it, like, okay, whatever, like, you can't really prove that either way.
Yeah. That's the other thing.
And it's, like, but either way, he's an abusive piece of shit.
Yeah, abuse is abuse is abuse.
so it's like you know and then what this shows is that he's one violent as fuck regardless of how like detailed or whatever any of the claims were what we know is he's a violent abusive absolutely that is for sure 100 and we also know that this shows that he has an interest in teenage girls yeah like he has clearly established a pattern of being a fucking pig right in every way you can also tried to assault her he tried to assault her 13 year old sister tried to sexually assault her and he met her when she was 15 and that's the other thing that like like i'm like okay that they're like trying
to figure out the validity of the claims of each instance it's like okay but either way even her sister is claiming that this happened so it's like yeah regardless of anything he's fucked up clearly but either way as like finally their relationship ended for good which was a very good thing for Joanne.
But he did keep the kids.
I think eventually she was able to also have some kind of custody.
Yeah, I wasn't able to follow that all the way through.
That's so complicated.
Yeah. But Alvin had already found himself a new romantic interest. And it was a 15 -year -old girl.
And how old is he now?
And at this point, he is, when is this?
He met her in 1973, right?
Yeah. And then I think three years later they got divorced.
Didn't you say 1976?
1977. So he's almost 24 years old and a 15 -year -old.
So he's literally almost 10 years her senior.
Yeah. And this girl was Judith Ann Adams. Oh, okay.
Is this part of the reason why she was doomed?
Yeah. Yeah. Now, unlike her future husband and eventually literal partner in crime, Judith did not have an idyllic childhood.
No, not a festival of joy?
No. No, she was born June 7th, 1964 in Murfreesboro, Tennessee.
A Gemini. She was the third of five children.
She had an older brother and sister and two younger brothers.
So she was right in the middle.
Yep. And they were a solidly middle class family.
You know, their father had steady work as a carpenter.
He was a construction worker.
And things, you know, even got better in 1973 because her father, James Adams, started his own construction company.
Oh, wow. Wow. And James worked a lot, obviously.
He owned his own construction company, so he was gone a lot.
Yeah. And when he got home, he was kind of distant.
He just wanted to have a few beers and go to sleep.
He wasn't really like playing with his kids, you know.
It was such a different time too.
But by all accounts, he was not outwardly abusive from what I've read unless, you know, that just isn't, you know, knowledge.
But according to Judy, she loved her dad.
she had a very close bond with him even though they didn't see each other a lot she loved what she saw okay um and that's when tragedy struck on march 31st ninth first 1974 when james had a few beers and jumped on his motorcycle oh no and the uh the details of the accident aren't like completely clear but somehow he hit a highway guardrail oh no and he was dragged about a hundred feet between his bike and the guardrail oh and eventually he was flung into the air and died immediately when he hit the pavement yeah that's a brutal way to go an awful way to go and the death of their father hit all
the adams children really hard but judy was only nine years old when it happened wow and she took it the hardest out of all of them of course um thomas cook said she had always been the quiet one but for a long time after that she seemed to turn to stone that's that's really sad.
And so, you know, her mother, Barbara was left with, you know, her husband's small social security pension and eight acres of land on the outskirts of Murfreesboro.
And she kind of struggled to provide for five children at that point.
Five kids. A lot of kids.
So she took a job at heat craft, which was a local refrigeration factory and use the eight acres of space for the double wide trailer home that eventually housed the whole family.
Okay. Less than a year after James Adams died, Barbara began dating.
Yeah. That's tough for the kids, I guess.
Like I understand needing to move on and that's her right to do so, but I can imagine that was hard for the kids.
Absolutely. And it upset Judy.
Of course. Especially because she was so close to her dad.
Yeah. And it was exceptionally horrible when Barbara went out on a date one night and got into a very minor car accident.
but it was discovered that night that her boyfriend that she had been going out with for some time was a teenage boy.
Oh. Okay. So I don't think it was a super normal like Barbara just moving on after her husband dies kind of thing.
Sounds like she was kind of...
Bucked up. Yeah. So Barbara was charged with contributing to the delinquency of a minor.
Oh. And she and her family were humiliated by this and she ended up having to leave her job and basically like hid herself away in her trailer which is nice that she uh was a predator uh got caught being a predator and then just decided to hide away from her children and let them fend for themselves yeah that was really great of her like that was a really good uh jesus christ this story is so marked full of predators and predators alvin's a predator like barbara's a predator they're all fucked up Hey weirdos, we need to tell you about something that has completely blown our minds collectively.
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Yeah. And after all this, the family really slipped into a bad way because following their mother's horrible example, the older kids just grew lazy, started skipping school regularly.
They didn't, you know, they're just following an example here, Seth.
Well, and they don't have, all they have is their mom left and where's she?
And Judy's in the middle trying.
And so they all just spent days like hanging around, drinking beer, watching TV, not really doing anything.
Oh, no. And meanwhile, Barbara continued to decline to the point where she spent most of her time using a CB radio, like a truck radio, kind of like can to can.
Yeah. Where she would meet men who would show up at the house with beers and just spend time with her.
Okay. So just, you know.
This is so bleak. Yeah.
So Judy spent a lot of her time outside of the home trying to escape all this.
I believe that. I would as well.
She focused on school.
She made honor roll.
Wow. Wow. And joined the cheerleading team in eighth grade.
And after school, she participated in 4 -H Club and the Future Homemakers of America.
Wow. I didn't even know that was a thing.
Did not know that either.
And she just really focused on school, was trying to—she wanted to become a nurse someday.
She was like, she had dreams. She was like ready to go.
It's crazy that like in this shit storm, she's kind of thriving in certain areas.
but something was off where she was very she became like a harder person because she had to yeah out of her circumstances and i think it led to her hardened too much yeah she hardened a little too much and i think this piece of shit man took full advantage of a slightly broken child yeah here and it's really fucked up and what judy ends up doing means that there was a monster inside of her all along and when you look at you know her her mother there something's off there obviously yep and so you know there was something in there that he just happened to i don't know if he ended up if he could see
it or if he just stumbled upon a vulnerable young girl and he was able to pry this monster out of her but it's it's really upsetting all the way around oh no so one afternoon in early 1979 alvin neely and his friend dan hartley two grown -ass men yeah he's like in their mid -20s at this point were driving out to meet a woman dan had met on the cb radio shut your fucking pie hole yep shut your fucking pie dan his friends was talking to barbara on the cb radio and dan spotted a cb antenna on top of the trailer and he was like Like, here it is.
This is where she is.
So she likes like younger men.
Because at this point, she's much older.
And he's like in his 20s.
And then the guy he's bringing along with him is going to love the daughter.
Oh, God. This is fucked.
Yeah. Dan was very excited to meet this gal in person.
But it was the woman's 15 -year -old daughter, Judy, that really caught Alvin's attention.
Oh, no. Yep. I'm so uncomfortable.
Yeah. Yeah. So Judy came out to talk to them because she was always in charge of everything.
Being like, you need a beer?
Yeah. And when Dan and Barbara, you know, Dan and Barbara went off and started drinking beers together in Barbara's room.
And Alvin sat with Judy in the next room talking.
And apparently they had a lot in common, according to them.
26 and 15. Which says a lot about Alvin.
Sure does. They spent all night and well into the next morning talking and laughing.
laughing uh we have a grown -ass man connecting and flirting with a 15 year old child that's so heinous he later said if anyone had stepped in between us they'd have been burned up in the sparks with a 15 year old dude you're pushing 30 like what the actual fuck like the amount of predators around this girl right now are outrageous that is so so gross now after this they became inseparable it was this was the moment that they met like you were wondering how did these people come together well don't worry they're just surrounded by predators like she's just surrounded by predators so they were just
naturally brought into her life this story is putrid they did everything together they developed this weird intense bond that was like obsessive with each other like us against the world yeah oh very much very much from a mile away and she She spilled about her troubled home life, her father's death, how she was still grieving.
It's so sad. Alvin listened.
He didn't share a lot about his at first. But finally, they'd been together a couple months and Alvin admitted to Judy, well, I am still married.
Oh, I forgot that he was still married.
Yeah, she just left. They didn't divorce.
And his wife, he insisted, was, quote, a liar and a cheat.
And she'd still been married to another man when he married her, which is not true.
Not true because she was 15 years old.
Alvin insisted his relationship With Joanne had been over for a long time And he had every intention of divorcing her Which Judy was like Of course I'm 15 When Judy went back to school For her sophomore year At Oakland High School When she was a freshman Yeah a freshman in high school She thought she was a full adult At this point like she's feeling like She's dating a whole adult And she's spending all her time with Alvin Especially since her siblings just hung around doing nothing and her mother was also just like a fucking loser and living with dan hartley now he moved in he just never left
that's good so now dan hartley is living in that trailer with her and all those kids and yeah exactly yeah at the end of 1979 alvin and judy discussed marriage and she decided that she was going to leave high school remember she had all these dreams she was going to be a nurse she was an honor student a cheerleader she was in all these clubs she had dreams of becoming a nurse and she leaves school for this fucking loser oh that's awful he finally ended up divorcing Joanne and Judy ended up moving in with Alvin's mother in Cleveland Tennessee this motherfucker is still living with his mom I got
questions for his mom abso -fucking -lutely I got questions if my future child at 26 years old came home with a 15 year old he would be so far out out on his ass it would be next Wednesday exactly that's why I'm like get the fuck out I don't know about this I'd call the cops myself exactly I'd be like you fucking creep 100 % like how did I fuck you up this bad yeah so she ended up moving in with the mom in Cleveland Tennessee and Alvin stayed in Murfreesboro to keep working and making money and then he was gonna move in and she's like oh how do you like my whole ass adult son like hello child like
you just have a child living living with you now literally now once alvin had saved up some money he and judy judy finally moved in together i like that you combined judy and finally uh they find they got a small apartment in rome georgia and then they ended up moving to a small motel room in kenesaw georgia they loved a motel room that's upsetting um alvin found work at a convenience store across the street from this place judy again had quit school so she started just hanging out at the store stocking shelves hanging out helping out alvin was already back to his criminal bullshit because he
couldn't hang on to a job and one night after stealing the day's deposits from his job they just ran away to alabama to escape any of the consequences oh okay stole the register's money and just never came back never came back now alvin was shocked to see that judy was very willing to be an accomplice to all his criminal ideas all of it like she was just like okay let's go and it's like yeah Yeah, because you've groomed her.
Yeah, and she's literally a child.
Yeah, she has nowhere else to go.
Right. And after settling in Dawson, Georgia, they both found work at the Zippy Market until Judy was robbed one evening, but the store's owner firmly believes it was an inside job.
Their lives were a fucking mess together.
That winter they would settle in some small town, find a job, usually at, like, a convenience store or some market.
Steal the money. They would steal from the register, and then they'd just hit the road again and get out of there.
Wow. They were like a stupid Bonnie and Clyde together.
And the routine was briefly interrupted in mid -July because they stopped off in Ringhold, Georgia to get married.
And then it was just right back to everything that they were doing before.
More motel rooms, more convenience stores, just this grimy -ass existence.
Truly grimy is the perfect word for it.
That fall, Judy learned she was six months pregnant.
Oh, no. But they just kept on robbing, being assholes, continuing their life.
And she's like 16, 17.
Yeah. And she found out she was six months pregnant.
So it's like, that's pretty pregnant.
Yeah, that's more than halfway there.
It's very, very pregnant.
You know, all this craziness had to pause, though, because the fall of 1980, they were arrested when robbing a woman at gunpoint in the parking lot of the Riverbend mall.
Oh. Alvin was sentenced to five years at the Walker Correctional Institute in Lafayette, and Judy was still underage.
She was taken to the Rome Youth Development Center.
Just pregnant and all.
Remember, I don't know if you remember at the beginning of this, the Rome Youth Development Center.
That was where the two people, the person that got shot at in his home and the person who had a Molotov cocktail thrown in their house, they worked there.
Oh, okay. While she was there, she gave birth to twins.
just two days after arriving.
She found out she was pregnant with twins six months in.
Yes. As someone who has carried twins in their body, I am shocked.
How? I don't know. At six months, people were like, oh, you must be ready to pop.
And I was like, I am not.
People go like full -fledged.
Yeah. I mean, who knows?
Full -term. Wild. Alvin and Judy sent letters back and forth several times a week.
Their correspondence, they They mainly stayed like very romantic.
Like we love each other.
We're obsessed with each other.
It got like kind of explicit.
They were weird and like stressful.
Don't look for them.
Every now and then Alvin's jealous paranoia would show through.
In one he said, I'll put my love where it will be returned, he said.
So he's basically like threatening her.
Like I'll leave you and go find someone else.
Like you don't love me.
And then he said, you can't have me and play around too.
And Alvin wasn't the only paranoid one because Judy also was accusing him of being unfaithful and said a lot in her letters.
She said, I'll take care of her when I get out.
Referring to, like, an imaginary woman.
Interesting. And she said none of them are woman enough to try to take you from me when I get out.
I want to be clear, they were both in jail at this time.
Yeah, so how... And they're not in co -ed jails.
Like, they're in, like...
And they're not talking about, like, she's not talking about a man that he's cheating on her with or he's talking about a woman.
They're, like, accusing each other of cheating on each other with the opposite sex while they're in jail.
Like, I just want to be clear.
Yeah. Like, I'm very— This shows you how deluded they both were.
Yup. And how paranoid and, like, obsessive they were.
Yeah. It's, like, a weird— I don't know.
But, again, very strange.
And they had this, like, strange and upsetting devotion to each other while also having this big disdain for the world and people around them.
Like you said before, very us -against -everyone -else mentality.
They believed everyone was out to get them.
Of course. No one understood them.
They had to strike back at people.
Judy was released from the Youth Detention Center in November 1981 and returned to Cleveland, Tennessee to live with Alvin's parents and the twins.
Because remember, twin babies.
twin babies yep unfortunately it didn't take long for her to revert to that criminal lifestyle again and less than two weeks after she was released she was arrested for robbing a gas station and was sent back to the center two weeks what the fuck she was released in march 1982 but she went and she went back to living with alvin's parents um but she seemed to be like and apparently they like were fine like they were taking care of her but they kind of she like resented them in a weird way like she wrote to elvin at one point talking about his dad i can't stand that son of a bitch your dad still
raises hell every now and then but he won't say anything to me if he ever does he knows he'll regret it this also leads me to believe like what happened in that house exactly this doesn't sound like a regular situation like i'm very confused no not at all we're getting little bits and pieces little bread crumbs of something that went down there and i'm like i I don't know what's going on there.
Yeah, that's just like, it's just weird. Yeah, it's very strange.
And it's very, and seeing her, how she's talking like, he won't say anything to me or he'll regret it.
It's like, I can see what's happening here.
Like, that's what I mean when I say like, she had to be that way growing up.
So she acts that way.
But Alvin was finally released from the Walker Correction Institute at the end of April, 1982.
And Judy met him at the bus station.
And, you know, it went right back to what it was before.
they were obsessed with each other you know they would they had this like really because he had which is also like a red flag to me he had this very like aggressively intense sex drive too which we see a lot in these cases where it's couples it's like unfulfilling almost every case where it's couples actually we see that the man usually has a strangely like insatiable An aggressive sex drive.
Yeah. Like multiple times a day or he's going to beat the shit out of you.
And that's how it was.
And she's a child. Exactly.
But soon reality set back in.
They had no jobs so they turned right back to the criminal ways and they would steal checks from mailboxes.
They would forge money orders.
They would rob people and places.
It was chaos. They still have their children or no?
Yeah, they still have their children.
Oh, okay. I was like, did I miss a part where they dropped them off somewhere safe?
Oh no, they still got them but they're living with alvin's parents okay okay so i'm sure they're just they are probably raising them yeah um then randomly one day alvin just looked at judy and said i don't want you anymore what out of nowhere because she wasn't 15 anymore exactly she probably turned 20 she got a little older excuse me she probably turned 18 i should say exactly and as the summer of 1982 came to an end judy was now angry angry desperate willing to do literally anything to keep him from leaving her no matter what oh no so one evening in early september 1982 and what we'll see is like
he was like i don't want you anymore but they stayed connected obviously they had children but they like had this still obsessive bond with each other even though it wasn't like always a romantic bond she was always trying to make it one but he would like flip -flop okay it was very strange i i can't understand and i don't ever want to understand the dynamic it's probably better that you don't so on the evening um in september 1982 ken dooley who was a teacher at the rome youth development center he was at home when his phone rang a little after 7 p .m the voice on the other end was a young woman claiming
to be a friend of ken's wife sherry i don't it this person on the other end said she was going to be passing through the area soon and wanted to drop in to surprise sherry so ken was like oh that's great Like, here's directions to my house.
Ken! Jesus fucking Christ, this could be anybody.
It's the early 80s.
Everybody was like, whatever.
Does she even have a friend with that name?
And this person said, well, you tell Sherry that I'll see her when we get to Rome.
And then they hung up.
Sherry's probably like, I've never heard of that bitch in my life.
Well, Sherry Dooley returned home a few hours later with the couple's son, Robbie.
And Ken told his wife, you know, this lady Susan had called from Kentucky.
And she goes, well, that's strange.
I don't have a friend from Kentucky named Susan.
But glad you gave them step -by -step directions to our house, Ken.
Now, a few days later, because Ken was like, okay, that was weird. A few days later, Ken returned home from his son's football game and was met at the door by Sherry.
And Sherry said, I got a call.
And when she asked who it was, she said it was a young girl and she wanted to know if he was home.
And Ken's mind was like, okay, like I teach girls, like young girls at the development center.
her but like he was like none of them have my phone number like i don't give my phone number out to these girls like why would they be calling yeah so he was like that's just weird and she was like yeah i don't know she wouldn't say who she was so he had almost put it out of his mind but then the phone rang that evening again and sherry immediately was like it's the girl again i know it and so he answered but it was a man's voice and the man's voice said you've screwed the last girl you're gonna screw and then he just hung up oh and ken was freaked out he was like what the fuck are you like i
love my wife bye and he tried to put it out of his mind but later that night as he was walking around checking locks because he was like paranoid at that point and he was checking on the kids like making sure everything was okay he heard four four loud pops that sounded like a car backfiring as he went back to his bedroom and as he was going in there he heard his wife's voice screaming that someone was shooting at the house oh my god so ken ran to his wife then checked the rest of the house and looked out the window to the front of the house and he saw the taillights of a car like flying down
the street so the police arrived but since no one identified the shooter and there was really no evidence like no one even saw the car right they couldn't do anything they just told him you probably shouldn't sleep here tonight thank you like what the fuck jesus now Now, the next day, September 11th, Linda Adair, the assistant director of the Youth Development Center, noticed that Ken seemed a little off at work, but she didn't want to like pry too much. So she didn't bother to ask what was wrong and just went about her day.
But she said later, like she very much saw that something was wrong.
And she went, you know, she later that night, she went back home and her husband, Gary, you know, they went out to dinner together and then they came home and she just laid down on the couch, just relaxing a little.
everything's normal and then the phone rings and linda could hear gary answer and respond to the caller and he called out to her to let her know that it was for her and linda took the phone and said hello but no one was on the other end yeah and when she asked who it was her husband said he didn't know but thought it sounded like a teenage girl he said she just asked if you were home creepy now again this couple was also freaked out but that evening they got ready for bed gary was in the shower and the phone rang again a little after 11 30 don't answer it so all of a sudden she can uh when she
answers the phone she hears one of her neighbors yelling into the phone at her saying linda what's happening someone threw a bomb at your house oh my god so she's like what the fuck so she went looked out the window in the dining room and she could see flames engulfing their carport oh my god and then the scene just erupted into chaos linda got gary out of the a shower he was in the shower they fled the house for safety to the neighbor's house and watched as their home went up in flames oh my god now after that was all controlled linda told police that she heard the neighbor's dog barking and chasing
a car down the road seconds after the bomb must have hit the house right and it turned out to be a molotov cocktail holy shit made from a soda bottle and gasoline what the fuck and she told them about the weird call that evening too but But again, there was not a lot to go off of.
There's no, like, caller ID or anything.
And the police are figuring we're not going to be able to find out who this is.
Like, I don't know what to do.
I'm sorry, is this within the same town?
Yeah. So are they like, this is connected?
Well, so a teenager who had just dropped his date off at a house nearby did manage to get a look at the car.
Nice, nice. And he described the car as, like, early 70s model Dodge, brown in color, with a white stripe down the center.
He said there was a man and woman inside.
side and when the headlights passed over the vehicle he briefly got a look at the woman behind the wheel who he described as being white and she had long reddish hair.
Okay. Now this sounds like like Judy.
Sure does yeah. Saw a pic.
Yeah Neither Linda nor her husband could think of anyone who'd want a Molotov cocktail their house.
That's a good thing.
And as far as she knew she was like I think the people at the Youth Development Centre like like me.
I haven't had any bad bad interactions in the recent past that I could think that would lead to anything like this.
Like she really couldn't think of anything.
And then as the police were interviewing them both, the phone rang again and Linda answered.
And it was the voice of a young woman.
And she said something about this.
And this is a random young woman saying something about the shooting at Ken Dooley's house the previous night and the fire at Linda and Gary's.
And Linda was like, who the fuck are you?
What are you talking about?
And the girl said, you both will die before the night's over and then hung the phone up oh my god so linda was like what the fuck because she was shocked to hear about the attack on ken she knew he was like in a shitty mood that day but she was like oh my god he got shot at like and then why did i what the fuck and then Then the police asked her to listen to a recording of a 911 call that had been placed that night.
The girl on the recording of the 911 call had said to the 911 dispatcher that she was calling about the shooting at Ken Dooley's house and the fire at the Adair home.
She said, quote, for the sex abuse that I went through in the YDC.
And the dispatcher asked her to explain, and the caller said it was, quote, sex abuse, and for the abuse I took, they are both going to die, and who knows it might be tonight and then hung the phone like what the fuck so these attacks were obviously done by alvin and judy we found out later yeah um after they had done this they headed to mac con i think it is macon i think mac on your air i think i i did a little more on you know it's one of those guys um this time they went in separate cars she went in a brown dodge and he went in a red Ford Granada and they tried so after Alvin had come out
of prison like I said they had tried to reconcile like several times since he had been like I just don't like you anymore and they did this together right they did this together even though and like I said even though their relationship wasn't the same that it was they were still in that like us against the worlds like we have to punish people together everyone hates us so we hate everyone kind of thing yeah so it's like very strange and they were using a cb radio to connect with each other in the cars yeah it's like very joyride it's weird it's very strange and like i said they weren't in the same
like obsessive passionate relationship like romantic quote unquote quote relationship their idea with each other their idea but again their shared disdain for humanity and the people around them was what was keeping them connected right in this it's very weird um this was just the beginning of their big plan and duly and adair were only two of the names of the list of a list of ydc employees that they were targeting oh no uh judy claimed it was for abuse she suffered there it should be said there is no evidence that judy was abused or sexually assaulted during her time in juvenile detention but there
are countless examples of children being abused in similar institutional settings and having it not be documented so it is entirely possible yep but there is no documented proof yep so i just you need to take it how it is like none of us know for sure but there is no way that we can say that that is not true i really hope she wasn't now once they reached their destination judy placed a call to the home of linda allen who was a staff member at the Y ydc uh judy told linda that her husband had been she so judy was saying like it's me like i i was one of the girls there and she said her husband had
been beating her and she needed linda's help she begged her for help now believing judy to be in danger linda allen agreed to meet her at a motel the following day wow she was like i'll help you out of this situation clearly she's a good person but the next day someone from ydc called to say that linda had had been called out of town and wouldn't be able to make it.
Okay. Linda literally dodged a bullet because Alvin and Judy planned to kill her.
Oh my God. But she somehow got called out of town at the last second.
Wow. That's a guardian angel kind of thing right there.
So they moved on to the next name on the list. So next up was John Brownlee, who was a security guard at the YDC.
Judy believed that this man had been attracted to her.
That's all she said.
She didn't say he assaulted her.
She just believed he had a crush on her.
Okay. um having found his number she called the house and got brownlee on the phone and reminded him that he'd once told her if she ever happened to be in the area she should look him up so who knows it sounds like that was the truth yeah and caught off guard brownlee told judy he couldn't meet her because he'd just gotten married a few months earlier he was like i'm married now okay so she decided to let that one go the plan was derailed interesting but that's all he that's That's all it took.
I had to say. I know.
Now they decided to go with a new plan because they were like, you know what?
We got to go big now because this isn't working out how I want it to.
So they were now going to simply track down each of the men Judy said had abused her, break into their homes.
And then Alvin had a plan that he was going to rape their wives in front of them.
Oh, Jesus. As payback to what they had done.
Oh, wow. Yeah. It escalated very quickly.
A lot. Now, the more they talked, the more alvin and judy just like fed each other and like we're feeding each other's fucked upness and just like rage and aggression and hate and all of this this is so much and the problem was though that finding the home addresses and phone numbers for all the employees at ydc was not easy yeah you didn't have like google back that's a good thing um and after a few days of driving around aimlessly they decided to abandon this revenge fantasy and they headed back in the direction of rome and decided we need a new terrible plan and this one's really terrible so trigger
warning on the afternoon of september 25th 1982 gail henderson and six girls from the ethel harps home which was a facility for neglected and abandoned girls arrived at the riverbend mall in rome to do some shopping okay um after giving the five older girls very strict instructions to to stay together while they were at the mall, Gail took the youngest of the girls with her to run some errands.
She told the other girls, the older ones, meet her in front of the Radio Shack in one hour.
Radio Shack. Gail regrouped about an hour later, but one of them, a 13 -year -old girl, Lisa Milliken, was missing.
Now, the girls told Henderson that Lisa had become separated from the group somehow, but they figured she would just meet them outside the Radio Shack when she realized the time.
They waited for about 20 minutes, and then they They split into two groups and went in different directions to try to find Lisa.
They couldn't find her, so now Gail was panicking.
Of course. Went to mall security to explain the situation.
They split up again now with guards to find nothing.
So they called the police.
A more formal search happened.
Nothing. She just disappeared.
Oh, God. Months later, investigators in Rome interviewed several young women who recalled that day being approached by a teenage girl on that afternoon.
noon in some cases the teenager asked if their names were kim or phyllis okay indicating that she was trying to meet someone and they hadn't shown up kind of thing most of them simply shook their heads and were like okay bye yeah but a woman suzanne klontz who was at the river bend mall that day with her husband had a longer interaction with this girl this girl was judy oh i figured um according to suzanne she said the girl looked very dirty like she hadn't bathed in a while and she said she was looking for someone named kim and she said the girl asked suzanne if she was alone at the mall and when suzanne
explained that she was with her husband the girl seemed to lose all interest and just walked away oh this is so fucking creepy so suzanne had no way of knowing it but that afternoon at the riverbend mall she was about to be abducted and killed but she had an alvin neely if she hadn't had her husband with her wow now lisa milliken however was not lucky she had been lured and abducted by alvin and judy she's 13 so they just completely abandoned the plan where it seemed like there was targeting employees at this place who had wronged her and now they're just going like allegedly but now they're just
going after anybody for that's what makes me think that there's that there wasn't a total motive here right that's clear even maybe to begin with exactly um so they abducted lisa they took her back to the chattahoochee motel in rome and that night the night claire claire doherty said she noticed them right away when they came in she thought it was an odd trio right she said an old fucking guy with two teenage girls like the man and the young woman seemed like they were a couple like clearly but she said that young girl with them was clearly not their child like she She was too old to be their
child. It was very strange.
And the next morning when Doherty went to check on the room that the three of them were in, they had already checked out.
Soda cans and candy wrappers were everywhere, and she said it appeared as though only one of the two beds had been slept in.
Okay. Now the scene repeated itself again over the next two days.
They checked into the Five Points Motel in Scottsboro, Alabama, and on the morning of September 28th, the motel's owner, owner um he went to clean room 12 where they were found the same kind of thing cookie wrappers soda cans like just crap everywhere and all three of them are checking in and only one bed is being used okay later that afternoon just before 1 p .m a call came into rome police headquarters and was received by watch commander lani adcock the caller it was a young teenage girl it seemed who said y 'all looking for lisa ann milliken on the run from the harps home and then claimed to
have information to help find her she said go up to little river canyon in alabama and then gave specific instructions where to find lisa the phrasing made them feel like she they were not going to find her alive yeah um they were skeptical but they went out to little river canyon to take Let's take a look.
As officers from Rome were driving up Lookout Mountain to reach the canyon, Jenny West, who was a news director at local station WRGA, received a tip from a young woman who called her desk.
The caller said, Lisa Milliken, that girl that ran away from the Harpstome on Friday, she's been killed and the Rome police are covering it up.
I think what we're seeing here is this us against the world, everyone's out to get us thing is just their shared delusion that they are using as an excuse to hurt people.
Yeah, sounds like it.
Because now they're saying the Rome police are covering it up.
When they have nothing to do with it.
And the caller then gave some detailed directions to find Lisa's body and West interrupted and said, how, was she killed?
How was she killed?
And she said she was shot by a female juvenile officer from the Harpst home this morning.
She was at the Little River Canyon and she's still there.
So now she's trying to blame the people from the home.
Right. Now, unsure whether this was real or a prank, like a horrible prank, Jenny West went to the police headquarters and told them about it.
And the detectives were like, yeah, we also got a similar message from that.
And she had disappeared from the Riverbend Mall about a week earlier.
So that name is absolutely true.
But they let the reporter know that they had had gone out to the canyon and hadn't found any evidence of a murder or a body um and they also investigated everyone who worked at the harps tome and no one had a history of violence or criminality they were like no one's a suspect there like we don't suspect anyone there right and in all likelihood they said we think she just ran away like that's the likely thing that happened here right and you know hopefully she would turn up eventually we'll keep looking into to leeds and try to find her and um but they wanted to put the reporter's mind at ease
and their own so investigators told her you know what we're going to call the authorities in decalb county alabama and let them know that a second tip has been received okay so the next day on september 29th the decalb county sheriff's office got a call from another young woman wanting to know whether they had found the body in the canyon but the officer was like what the fuck like no we haven't and the caller just hung up so the young woman called again later that evening and gave more precise directions like being like go like wanting them to find her right so the sheriffs were like um all the sheriffs
were like you know what let's go out now and go we gotta look so it took some time to get up the mountain to where this she said the body would be and the sun was actually started to set so it was getting dark in the canyon yikes um but crawling on his stomach out to the edge of the mountain alabama alabama state trooper tommy brock shined his flashlight down into the canyon and he said he immediately saw a pair of jeans hanging from a tree branch oh no so he was like oh shit so he swept the light across the canyon floor and illuminated the body of lisa ann milliken more than 80 feet below 13
years old so they did they throw her over the side of the mountain what happened to her is horrific and i just need you all to know that ahead of time like it's going to be rough yeah now once they were able to retrieve her body from the canyon floor the DeKalb County coroner Ronald Berry confirmed that she'd indeed been killed by a gunshot wound to the chest and she had been dead about 31 hours when she was discovered detectives from Georgia contacted their counterparts in Alabama and they confirmed that the voice of the caller matched the same caller that called into the DeKalb County Sheriff's
office and so they started which this is one of those instances where you're like thankfully they work together they coordinated and they did they had a joint investigation that's awesome now with the body taken out of the canyon uh crime scene technicians began searching the canyon floor and all around for evidence they found several items of clothing a large amount of trash because they're fucking pigs and criminalist john kilbourne also found several disposable syringes near where the body had been discovered.
Strange. They took some tests and determined that the syringes didn't contain narcotics.
They were sent in for more analysis and it was determined that whatever had been in the syringes was extremely acidic in nature.
It took some time to narrow it down, but they found out that analysts eventually determined that the syringes had contained two very common cleaning products, liquid Drano and liquid plumber.
oh no so this seemed pretty unusual to lab technicians they were confused by that but then when you look at the autopsy results you see that this makes sense oh god um so the cause of death was obviously a shot to the chest there was repeated sexual assault on this poor girl and the autopsy technician found six puncture wounds in her neck um so at some point before her her death lisa ann milliken had been subjected to a form of chemical torture and at the point of injection it had boiled the fatty tissue beneath her skin reducing it to an odd liquid which resembled burnt cooking grease so they
injected drano and liquid plumber into her neck what they would learn afterwards after they had been arrested because luckily these fuckers do get arrested um after they were arrested investigators learned that while he was in jail alvin had heard from someone that it would be nearly impossible for investigators to identify a death as as a murder if the victim was injected with acidic chemicals and that the death would be quick like it's an easy way to kill someone but then you also shot her um well of course because it is entirely false that that would quickly kill someone uh -huh and it's entirely
false that they wouldn't be able to detect it but that didn't stop judy from injecting lisa with those chemicals it was judy who injected her with drain -o and liquid plumber a 13 year old she had been tied lisa had been tied to a tree outside of the canyon and injected by judy at least six times with drain cleaner she's a sick fuck when the injections failed to produce the results that she was was looking for and just caused unbelievable pain and suffering to lisa judy simply shot lisa in the chest and pushed her off the ledge into the canyon oh my god so they now knew how and they also knew a young
woman was almost certainly involved at this point in the murder of lisa because at this point they didn't know it was judy and alvin but they knew it was a young woman involved because she had called a hundred times to let them know right but they needed to to find out who and also where Lisa had been in the days between when she was abducted and murdered and what the fuck is going on here and what had happened to this timeline this isn't going to be the last person that dies from these two idiots that's where I'm going to leave for part one because that's a lot because I have to take a minute
after that because it's really heavy it's the amount of abuse neglect horrible trauma it's uh it's this is a tough one it's been it's been uh requested many times that's why that's why I'm finally doing it I finally bit it and did it but like oof this is a tough one yeah um everyone go hug someone you love high five someone you love make you know pay for someone's coffee and share a coffee with someone you like yeah just like go Go do something that makes you feel a little warm and fuzzy inside that doesn't hurt anyone else, okay?
Go get a donut. Don't hurt people.
Hurt people hurt people.
Wow. Don't do that.
And, yeah. And you know what?
Go listen to an episode of The Rewatcher to kind of cool yourself down from this.
Yes. Perfect palette cleanser.
And once you do that, you'll be ready for part two on Thursday.
Perfect. Okay. So we got you covered all the way around.
And you can also listen to, you know, Scream.
If you want to, Scream is fun.
You can listen to Obituary.
You can listen to Obituary.
Obituary is always a good laugh.
Strange and unusual podcast. Go listen to Allison and her soothing voice.
Yes. Go listen to Alone at Lunch and get the fuck away from all of this.
Just go listen to comedy.
Yeah, Alone at Lunch is the perfect palate cleanser.
To funny, funny human beings with really funny, funny guests.
if you need to totally disengage from anything dark.
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We got you. All right.
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