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Hey weirdos, I'm Elena. And I'm Ash. And this is Mini Morbid.
Mini... Morbid. Mini, mini, mini, mini, mini morbid.
Mini morbid, mini morbid, mini morbid. That was beautiful.
That was. We harmonized. It was. I loved it.
We are the Jackson 2. We are. And welcome to a mini-morbid episode that is ash-centric.
It's ash-centric. Ash-centric. Boogie, boogie, boogie.
Quickly, maybe we should apologize for a mishap that happened in our last episode.
Yes. So we got a couple of messages and I feel a fool.
Because Elena, me, actually... Accidentally misgendered Em from And That's Why We Drink when we discussed how awesome they were in the last podcast.
So I want to apologize for that and I want to plead my ignorance because I am a new fan of And That's Why We Drink. ash ash was the one who got me into him because i'm an og fan he's the og And so I'm working on the back catalog right now.
So I'm a little behind on everything and everything surrounding the podcast.
So I apologize. And I hope everybody can forgive me for that.
And thank you to the people who mentioned it to us because I would never want to. do that and just blissfully be ignorant and they were super nice about it too yeah you guys were super nice so thank you for letting us know because we are always ready to correct ourselves so absolutely especially if people are nice about it i'm not sure if i said anything in the last episode but if i did i think you were i apologize yeah So, again, thanks a lot, and thanks for being nice about the correction, because we respond to that.
So that was the bidness. Yeah, that was the bidness.
Now let's dive into our Patreons as promised.
Patronuses. This week we don't have any weirdos.
Oh, man. Well, they're all weirdos in their hearts.
So in the window-watching coven, we have Cheyenne.
Toblin. Cheyenne Toblin, you are the tits.
She's getting weak with these. I was gonna come up with something to rhyme, but I'm tired.
I didn't sleep a lot last night. I have kids.
I don't have kids, so I don't have an excuse.
Thank you so much, Cheyenne. Thanks, Cheyenne.
Even though I didn't rhyme, I appreciate you.
Next is Laura Petruscu. Laura Petrescu, I think.
Sorry if I fucked your name up. I just love you.
Laura Petrescu, you are... The poo. Poo.
Thank you so much. So take a big whiff. Next is Hannah Watson.
Hannah Watson. Are you related to Sherlock Holmes's friend?
I don't know. Watson. Watson. Thank you so much.
Thanks, Hannah. Thanks, Hannah. Next is Madison Bold's.
Madison Bolds. How bold of you to donate.
You're so bold to donate to our Patreon.
Thank you so much. I don't know if it's bolds or bowlds.
Either way, you're bold. You're the best.
You're the best. Next is Tamika Knight. Tamika Knight.
I would pick you up on the road in the middle of the night and give you a ride.
Wow. Because I trust you, Tamika. Yeah. I trust you.
Thank you, Tamika. So thank you so much.
Next is Lonnie Yarnold. Lonnie Yarnold. Your name is cool as fuck.
Yeah, I don't even know what to say. That's a great name.
Are you from Hawaii? I feel like Lonnie is a Hawaiian name.
Yeah, Lonnie seems like a Hawaiian name.
You seem like a super chilled tropical person.
I don't know if I ever mentioned it, but I was born in Hawaii.
She was. I'm a native. She's a native. I don't remember.
So if you happen to be from Hawaii, that's super rad.
If you don't happen to be from Hawaii or have any connection to Hawaii, we still love you and that's still a cool name.
So thank you so much, Lonnie. Thank you.
Next is Holly Shea. Holly Shea? You're my bae. yes there it is wow i thought i never would hear you say i actually hate the word bay but i'll use it you got a bay or not Thank you so much.
Thanks, Holly. Next is Diane Derloin. Diane Derloin?
Yeah. you're like a sirloin steak oh which is delicious the rarest unless you're a vegan in which case i'm sorry unless you're elena and like your steak well done I do.
I ruin steak. Death to all people who like steak well done.
Thank you so much. Thanks, Diane. Next is Brie Rawlings.
Brie Rawlings, you are named after a really great cheese spread.
I can't even express to you how much I love brie cheese.
And the name brie is very nice. It is. It's pretty.
It's just nice to my senses. I like it. Like, it feels good.
So thanks, Brie, for being so good. Thank you so much, Brie.
You're delicious. Next is Madison Wolbert.
Madison Wilbert. Wolbert. Wolbert. Whoa, Bert.
Thanks for your whoa, Doni. Thank you so much.
Welcome to the coven. Thank you. Next is Francis Deleon.
Francis Deleon or Dealon? deal on it's a good thing i wasn't a teacher i could never fucking read attendance sheets i'd be like sorry everyone in my class you'd be like redheaded kid are you here Thank you so much Francis.
You belong in our coven. Yeah you do. You belong here.
Thanks Francis. next is benjamin price benjamin price benjamin is one of my favorite names i love that name too benjamin So thanks, Benjamin.
Thanks. Thanks for having a nice name. Thank you.
Thank you. Thank you. Next is Janine Stiles.
Janine Stiles, you... Stylin'. Yeah. You just are.
You're styling in our coven. You made our coven more stylish.
Yes. With yourself. Yes. Thank you so much.
Much, girl. Next is Chloe H.S., Chloe H.S.
Do you have your own high school? Yeah, there you go.
Chloe High School. Good call. And also, Ash loves the name Chloe.
I do. And I also dig the name Chloe. Thank you so much, Chloe.
Thank you. In the evil onion category, we just have Trista Johnson.
Trista Johnson, welcome to the Evil Onions.
You know what? She's enough. You know what?
You are enough. Thank you so much. You're more than enough.
You're the most enough. You're the most.
I love you. Thank you, Trista. I love you.
I just love you. Then we have a jagged little bitch.
What up? Jen Vinsel. Jen Vinsel? thank you so much for being a jagged little bitch thank you jen i wrote your name really pretty you did it looks nice she took time on that one.
I did. I wrote it with a Prismacolor pencil.
You did. I have Prismacolor colored pencils.
I was like, you got a pen and She's like, I got these Prismacolors.
I was like, I'm just writing people's names.
I like adult coloring books, okay? Get off my back.
I don't. That's like one thing that I never got behind.
I have an Edgar Allen Poe one and it's pretty fun.
I have like six, but I don't care about them.
I only have one, and it's the Edgar Allan Poe one, and I like it.
It's very soothing when you've had a bad day.
It's nice to color if you have time at night.
Or drink wine. Yeah. I got wine drunk while I was taking my notes last night.
I'm not a big wine drinker. Yeah. Then we have a custom donator. and she actually already was a patron but she edited to a custom and she's in her own category and her name is carolyn j loop ken carolyn j loop i remember you you threw us for a loop and she's done it again and you just keep doing it looping and looping Thank you so much, Carolyn.
So let's get to the case. Oh my goodness.
So many amazing patronuses. Guys, thank you so much.
Seriously. You're getting well rewarded for it, I promise.
Every damn week you blow our minds. Actually, Elena and I are getting together tomorrow night.
We're going to hang out and we're going to put your shit together and send it out to you pretty soon.
We're going to get it together. And we got big plans that we're going to be working on tomorrow night.
We sure do. So get ready. Maybe we'll live stream some goofiness.
I'll try to look good tomorrow. I'll announce it if we feel like we're going to last.
If I look like horseshit, don't comment.
Okay? Yeah. All right. Are you ready? I'm ready.
I'm really ready. I'm going to do that thing where I just start reading my notes to you.
I love that. I love that. So on the day of and or night of.
June 5th, 1986. Bruce Nickel came home from work with a headache.
I mean, one often does. According to his wife, he took four extra strength Excedrins and collapsed only minutes later.
Ooh. Yes. I think I might know this one.
Fuck you. I'm not sure. Just kidding. It's great if you do.
Either way, it's great if it's the one I'm thinking.
Bruce took some Excedrin's and he collapsed after, and then he died, unfortunately, at the Harborview Medical Center.
That's terrible. That's really sad. You just come home with a headache and you're dead.
Well, and at first his death was ruled to be the result of natural causes and emphysema.
Ah. But his wife begged to differ when she heard about another death that had happened only about a week later. after her husband's death so at first she was like maybe it was emphysema but that seems weird yeah and then she was like this other person just died so so that's a weird coincidence and you would think it would be like aneurysm or something that they would think it would be right So, the other person that unfortunately died was Sue Snow.
She was a mother and a wife and actually a vice president at a local branch of the Puget Sound National Bank.
Damn, you go, girl. She was killing it. She was.
She was 40 years old and had recently been married for a third time.
Her new husband recalled the pair being madly in love.
That's what they always say. Just kidding.
Maybe they weren't madly in love. you never know maybe he's a suspect oh he's throwing me for a loop you don't know i'm throwing i'm throwing you for a carolyn j loop Okay.
Okay. Wow. Which I some sites said that she suffered migraines, so she just took them in case.
But then other sites and one documentary that I watched said that she liked the caffeine from the pill instead of drinking coffee.
Oh, okay. I mean... I get migraines and I take Excedrin migraine.
Yeah, but not every day, right? No, in fact, I only take them when I feel one coming.
Wouldn't you build up a tolerance? I wouldn't want it.
Yeah, I wouldn't want to take one every day.
And I just wouldn't want to take, like, an over-the-counter pill every day if I don't have to.
Well, some people said that she likes the caffeine, so maybe that's what it was.
Or maybe she had migraines. I don't know.
Either way. So, actually, in my notes it says, except either way.
This morning did not go on as usual Her 15 year old daughter Haley Heard a thud in the bathroom And she went to check on her mom Oh, so did it happen, like, right away?
Uh, like, a few minutes after. Okay. So, she went in to check on her, and she discovered that Sue was, like... on the floor and she still had a faint pulse.
And her eyes were open. And when she called 911, she said she looked dead except her eyes were open and she had a faint pulse.
So Sue was rushed to the hospital, but because the doctors couldn't figure out how to treat her based on her symptoms, she died quickly and was sent to the medical examiner.
Oh my god. I know. This is just like a nightmare.
It's really sad. Like you just like take a pill that you like normally just take for like a headache.
Like a headache or like a cramp. meds medication these kind of things scare the shit out of me i know i wanted to take advil pm last night but when i had a lot of wine and two i was afraid to take anything So while the autopsy was performed, Janet Miller realized that she smelled the scent of bitter almonds.
Ooh, I know what that is. A tox. Is that cyanide?
Maybe. A toxicology test was performed and the results confirmed the bitter almond scent. oh no girl so i actually didn't know this before but only between 20 and 40 of the population do not carry the gene to smell um cyanide that's so like some people can smell it but some people some people can't oh that's interesting i don't know if i would want that treat I mean, it's kind of a good trait to have, yeah.
Anyways. So investigators did a search of the snow home and discovered that cyanide, the cyanide came from the Excedrin capsules that Sue had taken that morning.
So fucked up. And? More fucked up. Her husband also took Excedrin from the same bottle that morning.
What? And he was fine? And he was fine. So it was determined that three capsules out of the remaining ones contained toxic amounts of cyanide.
And she happened to get. And it was just like the unlock of the draw.
Wow. So news in Seattle spread quickly after another tampered bottle was found at a grocery store in Kent.
And at this point, Bristol Myers, who is slash was the manufacturers of Excedrin, I think they still are.
I don't know. Well, Bristol-Myers. They were.
The manufacturers of Excedrin publicized a recall of all Excedrin products in Seattle.
And a group of drug companies came together with an offer of $300,000 reward.
For the capture of whoever was responsible for tampering with the products.
Oh my god. This must be so hard to figure it out.
Three hundred thousand. So in the meantime, Stella and Sue's husband Paul... both pointed the finger at Bristol Myers and filed wrongful death suits against the company.
I would in one second do that. Absolutely.
And then while this was all happening, the FDA went out to the plant, which was in Morrisville, North Carolina. to inspect it to figure out where the cyanide was coming from.
How far reaching is this now? Is this nationwide? so they inspected it and that was the the tainted lot had come from that branch Oh, okay.
So, but when they got there, they were unable to detect any signs of cyanide whatsoever in the branch.
Wow. Like, nothing. So on June 18th, Bristol-Myers recalled all Excedrin capsules in the U.S.
That's probably a good idea. And warned consumers not to take any that they had previously purchased.
I'm even pissed because that's the only thing that helps my migraine.
I know. Can you imagine? I'm going to be so freaked out.
And they probably lost like billions of dollars.
So then two days after that, the company announced a recall of all of their non-prescription capsulated products.
Oh, shit. So, like, everything. Oh, my God.
And then... On June 24th, a cyanide contaminated bottle of Anacin-3 was found at the same store.
Where Sue had purchased the Excedrin that killed her.
So it's like, is somebody doing it in the store?
Well, wait. So then... I know this case, but I don't know the details.
So on June 27th, Washington State declared a 90-day ban on the sale of non-prescription medication in capsules.
Oh, shit. Like any fucking medicine at all.
Wow. So if you had cramps, you were getting on your heating pad.
If you had a headache, you had to go to bed.
You just had to deal with it. Yeah. Wow, that sucks.
Especially for people with, like, chronic pain and stuff that have to take, like, you know, just these, like, over-the-counter pain pills just to, like, get through the work day.
Exactly. Oh, that sucks. Like I said, Stella, back to her, had serious doubts that her husband died from emphysema, and she told police that he had died after taking the Excedrin capsules and that This must have had some connection.
Yeah. So she actually gave the police two different bottles of the Excedrin that she claimed to have bought from two different stores.
I heard how you said claimed. Yeah. So at this point, thousands of bottles from the Seattle area had been tested for cyanide. and only two came up positive for traces of the poison.
And they were the ones that killed the people, right?
I believe so, yes. And Stella's bottles were tested and shockingly both came up positive for traces of cyanide.
So now that makes four, and she has two.
Two of the four in the entire... yeah so actually i don't think that includes i was gonna say so that probably i think one of them was sue's two were the ones she handed over and one was random That makes sense.
But then eventually five bottles total were confirmed to have cyanide traces, including the two that Stella had. yeah that's a lot so two out of five you got and you bought them at two different stores The odds of that, like some math genius needs to write out the odds of that because that's crazy.
You're unlucky, girl. Yeah, you're real unlucky.
Well, Stella always seemed to run into bad luck.
Oh, Stella. She was born in Portland, Oregon.
And do you say Oregon or do you say Oregon?
Oregon. I don't know what I say. I just said Oregon.
I think I say Portland, Oregon. Yeah. Maybe when I'm talking, I say Oregon, but then that sounds weird.
Sounds like Oregon. Yeah. Like Oregon. I like Oregon.
So yeah, she grew up there. And she had grown up poor.
She was married before Bruce and had her first daughter, Cynthia, at 16 years old.
Okay. She had another daughter years later, but there's not much information about that.
She had also been into frequent trouble with the law over the years for things like fraud.
Oh. Forgery. Oh. And beating her daughter, Cynthia.
Oh, okay. Yeah. So little stuff. I forgot what she beat her with, but she beat her so bad that she bruised her cheek, I believe.
Oh my god. And when... Like when she was a kid?
I think she was like nine years old. Oh my god.
I mean, not that it's better to beat your adult child.
No. Child abuse is fucked up. And she said it was because she was jealous of her.
Oh, Stella's not looking good here. She said that her daughter was jealous of her.
Yeah. Stella is not looking good here. Like, girl.
Like, maybe don't do that. Yeah. Maybe you're her mother.
Maybe. Like, try to be her mother. Yeah.
So she didn't have the best reputation either. after all that weird so strange very weird people said that she liked to wear tight dresses and go bar hopping with her husband bruce Which if I take out all that other stuff and like you do you.
Yeah. People were like, she was, I think when you add on all the other stuff, you're like, Stella, what are you doing?
Yeah. Like, I don't know. Basically, it sounds like she was just kind of tacky.
Yeah. She doesn't seem like she's living her best life.
Her classiest life. No. I really like the name Stella, too.
I do, too. I love that name. I can't be liking it anymore.
No. Because that's all I'm going to think about.
Is that she's just not doing well. Doesn't somebody yell that in a movie?
Stella. Angela! A streetcar named Desire.
Wow, that's a, you said that fast. Sorry.
So, yeah. According to Cynthia, her mom had been getting really annoyed with Bruce lately because he'd been out of work a lot and he'd also quit drinking. and Stella thought that was a bore I know that it really annoys me when people get sober it's like in like What is up with you?
Why are you sober? Like come on. Get out of here.
Fucking Bruce. Fucking sober. So. For five years, Stella had been talking to Cynthia about killing her husband.
I mean... Mother-daughter shit, right? Yeah, you know, like bonding as you eat dinner and get your nails done together.
You're just like sitting there. Like, I think I'm going to kill Bruce.
Watching Project Runway. That okay? i might kill your dad is that yeah cool well it wasn't her dad it was cool but like still your your father figure is that cool and she just felt like it would solve a lot of her problems Yeah, totally.
It won't bring any new ones at all. Like jail.
Yeah. Killing people always solves problems.
It never brings new ones. For sure. Never.
It's just like clear the air yeah i'm glad that she watched enough dateline to realize she totally did yeah so So another thing that would probably solve a lot of her problems was the $76,000 life insurance policy that she took out on Bruce in 1985. guys life insurance policies are tricky man I don't think I'll ever get a life insurance policy if you're not doing it together Then there's a problem.
If one person is doing it on their own, you know, there is a segment on 2020 in your future.
And also, sometimes if you're doing it together, it's not good either.
I know, that's true. You don't know what your boy or your man or your woman or your lady has planned.
I'm going to bury it under an old tree like Ron Swanson.
Yes. Off the grid. So the other thing that probably would have solved a lot of her problems is if her husband died accidentally.
Yeah, I mean, wouldn't that solve everyone's problems?
Well, it would really help her because if Bruce died accidentally...
It gave her an extra $100,000. Wow. And also she was the sole beneficiary, just so you know.
So she literally would have gotten every single penny of that.
Man, the bad luck that this woman has. It's wild.
It's really interesting. It's a huge bummer for Stella.
It really is. So Cynthia came forward and told police that in the spring of 1986, her mom became fascinated with the Chicago Tylenol poisoning.
I was thinking of that one. Which is actually unsolved.
And that's the one I knew was unsolved. So I was like, wait.
And for a second, I thought this might be that.
And you're like, Ash, you're wrong. It's 10.
No, but I was like, ooh, this is a dead one.
And also it's Chicago, not Seattle. You are wrong.
Hey, you did your research wrong. Guys, I fucking researched last night.
You did. I'm very into this. So. She said that she knew her mom was capable of doing something like this, but she said, when it's your own mother, you don't want to believe she could.
Oh, my God. I can't imagine being like, my mother is very capable of poisoning a bottle of Excedrin.
My mom is very capable of literally murder.
Like, and being very confident in that. Like, oh, no, she's very capable.
My mother is very capable of handling cyanide.
Yeah. Like, that's something. That's a life.
So it started to become pretty clear why Stella had been so adamant that her husband's death was not from emphysema.
Oh, yeah. She wanted the extra money for the life insurance policy.
Oh, yeah. Get that extra hundred grand. Like, as if fucking $70,000 isn't enough for you.
But it's not $170,000. I would shit my pants if anyone was like, you get this. like i mean what if they were like you have to murder your spouse first i'd shit my pants then too and say no thank you I'd be like, yo, who are you?
I'd be like, where did you come from? Who are you, shady figure?
Are you a bridge troll? First, you have to solve a riddle and kill somebody.
And kill your spouse. Bye. i feel like whoa i don't want to cross the bridge you went from riddle to murder your spouse what happened here thanks though So yeah, she wanted the extra money from the life insurance policy.
And if her husband had been murdered by some crazy person lacing Excedrin with cyanide.
That would surely fall under the accidental category.
That feels pretty accidental to me. It feels super accidental.
So the question was now, how were they going to get concrete evidence that she did it?
You can't just be like, well, she got... Well, all of this makes... It's a lot of circumstantial evidence that's pointing to it.
But they wanted a good-ass kiss. So, Cynthia came forward with some more information.
Oh, Cynthia, what you got? I think she got a money reward for all her information.
Probably. But, like, I would want one too after the childhood I had.
Stella told Cindy that she'd been trying to poison Bruce with foxglove.
Am I saying that right? Foxglove. Foxglove.
Yeah. Hidden in capsules, but that it had been unsuccessful.
Wow. After this. I think that's also called, like, digitalis.
Digitalis. I meant to look more into it, but I didn't.
After this, she started going to the library to check out books on poison.
As one does. Cynthia never thought to be like, hey, stop.
Well, maybe she did. Like, don't. Or maybe she was afraid her mom was going to hit her in the face again.
It's true, but I'd rather be hit in the face than be like knowledgeable about my mother poisoning someone.
That's true. But who's to say that she didn't?
That's true. Stella seemed unstoppable. That's very true. so yeah she had been checking out books on poison which like you're leaving a paper trail if you're checking out fucking books so the police headed over to the auburn public library with a search warrant for all the books that stella had checked out oh no one was legit called human poisoning like girl be a little more nonchalant how to murder your husband for dummies yeah exactly like you might as well have checked that out I have a lot of weird books that would definitely put me on an FBI watch list if somebody looked at my library.
But I'm also not slowly poisoning my husband.
That's good to know. I feel like that's where she crossed that line.
I was thinking last night when I was like typing in 50 million things, like how to know if you can smell cyanide.
Yeah. the cyanide chicago murders i was like i'm fucked if anything ever happens to anyone i think that all the time while researching cases because i i google the weirdest shit i do try to get the little details like Like you were saying, like how you can detect cyanide.
They're like, yeah, you're a murder. Big Brother is watching my search engine right now.
Oh, God. So they fingerprinted the books, too, and found her fingerprints, like, all over the pages.
So she was just, like, lovely. and all over it including one page for cyanide oh interesting like that specific page of cyanide again what bad luck for her Yeah, it's really shitty.
It's just very coincidental. So in case that wasn't enough evidence, it also became clear while inspecting the contents of the Excedrin. the ones that were contaminated with the cyanide within the cyanide there was also little green specks oh that they were like what the fuck is this What could that be?
Is that the digitalis? Nope. Upon further investigation, they were tested and determined to be algae destroyer.
Wow, that's very specific. The investigators remembered seeing a large aquarium at Stella's home.
Oh, snap. Like, fuck yeah. I love when shit connects like that small.
Wow. Like, that's awesome. Wow. So they started to check fish stores nearby.
You know, like the fish stores. You know fish stores.
I thought that was funny. The fish store.
The fish store. They come across one that Stella apparently frequents often.
We all frequent a fish store. I mean, who doesn't have a favorite fish store?
Who doesn't? Mine's Petco, where the pets go. sponsor us, bye.
The employee there remembered selling her the algae destroyer and he had told her to soften it before she used it. ah so it confirmed that stella must have crushed up the cyanide in the same container that she had been crushing the algae or like softening the algae in.
Oh my god. Imagine that leading to... Like, that dumb move.
It was present in all five bottles that were found.
Oh, shit. Like, every single bottle. So it connected all the bottles together.
Yes. Oh, my God. God. So on December 9th, 1987, the jury indicted Stella Nichol on Five counts of product tampering.
Holy shit. Including two which resulted in the deaths of Bruce Nickle and Sue Snow.
She went to trial in April of 1988 and was found guilty on all charges on May 9th after five days of deliberation.
Which I feel like it shouldn't have taken that long.
I know. But she was sentenced to two terms of 90 years in prison for the deaths of Sue and Bruce.
And then on top of that, Three 10-year terms for all of the product tampering.
Bye, bitch. She still maintains her innocence.
Oh, fuck off. stella and she's like there's things that didn't come out and they paid the fish store guy oh stop It's Stella.
It is Stella. Oh, I'm so glad that ended that way.
That algae destroyer. The algae destroyer.
And that it was present in all the bottles.
All of them. Can you imagine being Sue Snow's family?
How much you would want to rip this bitch limb from limb.
Because it's like, not only are you disgusting that you wanted to kill your own husband for no reason. just to get his money but this person but now you've taken my loved one with him because you're an idiot like for no fucking reason like that's so senseless and she never and she she knew that She knew that was a possibility that was going to happen.
Someone was going to get that bottle and take those pills.
It's so messed up. Fuck Stella. Fuck Stella.
I also could have gone like super deeper into that, but I wanted it to be like a mini-sode.
I love it. I love it. It was so good. That was great.
That was, like, one of my favorite ones I've ever done.
That's so weird. It's such a weird, like, tampering with, like, that Tylenol poisoning case is really crazy.
It's also more fucked up that that one is unsolved.
Unsolved. They have no idea who did that.
I remember I used to come home and I was like always home alone when I was younger.
Thanks, mom. And I would watch like all these like fucked up shows that I probably shouldn't have been watching at like 12 and 14 years old.
Well, 14's not bad. Yeah, that's fine. But I remember seeing one about the Chicago cyanide.
Yeah, or Tylenol poisoning. Tylenol poisonings. um on like the remember like the e crime shows like you said you watched the black doll with aj benza I remembered the Chicago one, like watching it.
Because it's bonkers that they can't. trace that back to anybody.
Yeah. Like that's the scariest part of that case.
Well the other thing is in this case they didn't know where Stella got the cyanide from.
Like there's no paper trail of how she got I didn't even think of that.
Like I couldn't find it anywhere. Wow. That's even scarier.
Yeah. It's like, how the fuck, how is this bitch just getting cyanide?
Yeah, like, what the hell? And, like, there's fucking a trail of you getting algae destroyer but not cyanide.
Yeah, exactly. Like, someone remembers you buying that weird shit, but not cyanide.
I just love the fact that she told her daughter, like, I've been trying to kill your father slowly with foxglove, but...
It's not working out. Shit's not working.
So I'm going to go to the library real quick. read up on some shit yeah and i'll update you she was researching how to murder how fucking premeditated is that i mean And then you try to maintain your innocence, but all your fingerprints were all over the fucking place.
And it's not like you were taking it like true crime books, like case books, just to be like, oh, I'm just innocent. human poisoning like you were literally looking up and then to have it connect to like it's like no these kind of coincidences don't happen they don't all align they just don't especially that algae destroyer it's like bitch you're you're you got got that was the best you got got stella Wow.
That was a good one. Yeah. That was really good.
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