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I need part two. i did leave you on a serious serious cliffhanger i'm hanging off the side of a cliff um i'm gonna give like a couple trigger warnings throughout the episode but i did just want to give one big one in the beginning This one is definitely gonna focus on a lot of brutality.
Yeah. Just so you know, like this is a very graphic crime scene that I'm very graphic going to pretty much tell you all about.
And then the second trigger warning I want to give is for domestic violence.
There's a little bit more of it in this article. episode so if you don't want to hear about that if that's like triggering for you then skip forward a little bit forward and i'll let you know when it's going to come up as well So when we left off in part one, five members of the wonderland gang had just pulled off a major robbery at the King of club's house a heist if you will they made a fool of him as they tied him up shoved a gun into his mouth, and made him beg for his life while simultaneously stealing about a million dollars worth of drugs, jewelry, and the guns that had led them to this whole situation in the first place.
You just made a... a dude very angry you made him real mad and those guns were the antique ones that i mentioned in part one As quickly as it all started, it was over.
And the fact that this literally happened on a Monday morning.
That's really scary. So bananas. I don't like that at all.
So creepy. But Eddie Nash was left to figure out what the fuck had just happened to him.
Now, in part one, I definitely mentioned that the Wonderland gang were the kind of people you did not want to mess around with.
But Eddie Nash was no different. He had connections all over the place.
Some people believe that he actually held more power than the police.
Oh wow. And he's definitely got like police connections because he gets out of a lot. lot of shit oh it makes sense and once he started to put the pieces together of what happened to him that monday morning he had his eyes dead set on vengeance. so no one's entirely sure how eddie nash put two and two together and realized that it was john holmes and the wonderland gang who did this to him There's a couple of different stories.
I've seen some sources say that Gregory Dials, who was Nash's bodyguard, was out one day, like right after everything happened, and he saw John Holmes wearing a pinky ring that belonged to Nash.
So he was like, obviously, you must have been part of the robbery.
How else would you get that? And then there were other sources that said Nash pretty much knew right away.
Most likely because John had come back to the house on more than one instance that day. of the robbery oh yeah and for some reason he must have been like trying to leave that entry point open Yeah, he wasn't being very sly about it.
He was not being pretty sly for a white guy.
Yeah. Now, either way, John Holmes was acting sus and Nash was going to get to the bottom of it.
Gregory Diles got a hold of John and brought him back to Eddie.
And the rest of the account is actually confirmed by a man named Scott Thornson. who was most notably known as Liberace's partner wow yeah That's pretty notable.
Crazy. Liberace had actually become somewhat of an investor in Eddie's clubs, so that is why this guy Scott... was at Eddie's place the night that Gregory Diles dragged a terrified-looking John Holmes into the house.
Oh, no. He was there, Scott was, picking up their share of the club's earnings and also buying about a pound of coke for his personal use.
Eek. now as soon as john holmes entered the room eddie asked scott to get up and go into the living room and he said i'll be with you in just a moment but you need to get out of here Please leave.
And Scott was like, aye aye, Captain. I need you to have deniability.
Exactly. Goodbye. So Scott stepped out, but he heard a wild fight ensue.
He said there was definitely furniture being thrown around that room.
Oh, damn. He heard yelling and screaming and he could tell that John was getting the shit kicked. out of him.
Eddie was yelling about how he was gonna teach these people a lesson and that they'd never steal from him again.
But then Scott Thornton heard four words come out of Eddie Nash's mouth that would haunt him for the rest of his life.
He said, kill everyone that's there. Yeah.
Now that was the night of July 1st, 1981, just about 48 hours after Eddie had been robbed.
So this was like a bang, bang, boom. Oh yeah, he's fully high on emotion right now.
And a lot of other things. I was just gonna say.
That and drugs and also all the drugs. Yeah, so that was about 48 hours after he had been robbed.
And then Scott saw Gregory Diles and John Holmes head out. and then he was still there when they came back and they were covered in blood when they came back.
Yeah, I bet. So no one knows exactly what happened the rest of that night, but people have their ideas. and they're all pretty much confirmed.
Now, the police were not called to Wonderland Avenue until about 4pm on July 1st.
There were people actually moving out of one of the homes next door because of all the ruckus that had been constantly going on. the 8763 Wonderland Ave.
So the furniture movers were loading their truck up and they heard moans coming from that house.
And they also saw three men run out of the house and one yelled back at them.
There's dead bodies inside. What? Casual.
Very casual. Now the person moaning inside...
Sounded obviously like they were in pain and it's kind of sounded like they were saying, help me.
But it was like very muffled and like they thought. that's what they were saying.
Imagine hearing that while moving. Just in the middle of the afternoon.
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And somebody just ran out of the house saying there's dead bodies in there.
Yeah. So one of the movers headed over and jogged up the stairs to see what was going on.
But as soon as he opened the door... he saw a scene that he would probably never get out of his head again as long as he lived.
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No. Knowing what I know about it, I cannot... fathom walking into that unprepared.
Oh, no. Because nothing would prepare you for it, but not even having a notion of what could be in there is...
And we'll get into it in the second, but there were people that just walked in there and thought nothing of it.
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So immediately, this furniture mover calls 911.
And while the police made their way out to the scene, they had no idea what they were going to walk into. this crime scene goes down in true crime history.
Yes. Especially because of the video that was taken at the scene.
And I found out in my research that- This is interesting.
I told Elena this before we started. The video actually later made its way into the trials And it was actually the first time in California state history that a crime scene video was submitted and cleared as evidence.
Yeah, that's wild. I didn't know that. Isn't that cool?
I didn't know that. Yeah, that's really cool.
So Robert Souza and Tom Lang were the lead detectives on the case.
And Robert Sousa said of this scene, quote, there was more blood in that scene than I had ever seen.
It was such an overkill that we knew there was something a lot more to it than just a dope ripoff. they had pissed somebody off.
This just smacked of revenge. Oh, yeah.
And then he went on to compare the scene to the Tate LaBianca murders, which we all know are some of the most gruesome in, like...
Yeah. 100%. And I can see the comparison there.
Oh, absolutely. When you look at... like just the amount of warning because i know a lot of people are going to be googling it because like you are like us Just fair warning, it's like a real rough scene.
Yeah. I'm sure. Even blurred out, it's a terrible scene.
Even blurred out, it's rough. But man. Yeah.
Yeah. The amount of anger and brutality in this scene.
Right. wow just like wow and over material items and drugs yeah it's like man why would you like fuck with someone that way like someone who like it just feels like you Like, obviously none of this is justified.
That's what I'm saying. Like, the initial... the initial heist.
It's like, you're all unstable human beings.
This is an unstable man who has way too much power and way too much money and way too much of everything.
And you just humiliated him in his own home and stole stuff from him.
It's like, guys, what is everybody doing here?
How did you think that was going to end? there and then like what is he doing it's it's just like so many bad decisions every way you look right and people getting involved with really bad people.
That's the thing. Even Eddie Nash, it's like, how did you think it was going to end right there?
Exactly. You didn't think it was going to end right there.
There's no... Every step of this situation, starting with John Holmes in the way beginning, is just bad decision after bad decision after bad decision.
It really is. This story is almost like a cautionary tale.
I'm going to tell this to my children. when they're old enough to hear it.
I'm going to tell them the tale of the Wonderland murders.
I am. Gather round, children. Don't do drugs.
So the one person found alive inside Wonderland was Ron's wife.
25 year old Susan. Wow. She may have been found alive, but she was hanging on by a thread.
She was slumped on the floor next to her in Ron's bed, and she had actually been beaten so badly over the head with either a hammer or or a steel pipe, which were both found at the scene that she she actually had to eventually have part of her skull surgically removed in order to survive.
Wow. So she survived this attack and then was in like a coma for multiple, multiple days and probably weeks. and then ended up having to have part of her skull surgically removed to live.
Oh my god. Because there was probably so much pressure.
That's what I was thinking. And also, one of her fingers had been completely severed in the attack.
So she was quickly rushed out of the home and brought to Cedars-Sinai.
She suffered brain damage and she really didn't have any recollection of the crime. other than just seeing shadowy figures moving about.
And at one point, she did remember hearing someone walk over her and just say, she's gonna die anyway.
Bye. Because they could hear her moaning and they were like, you should get her again.
And the guy was like, no, it's fine. Like, she's going to die anyway.
Like, look at her. Holy shit. Her husband Ron, the leader of the gang, was found in the same room, just dead in his bed.
He was beaten so aggressively that they were barely able to identify him.
Wow. David Lynn's girlfriend, Barbara Butterfly Richardson, was just 22 years old. didn't have any criminal record whatsoever.
And she was found bludgeoned next to the couch that she had been crashing on.
She and David had been visiting for a few weeks, and he actually wasn't even home when this all went down.
Wow. He was with a sex worker in a motel room doing drugs.
Okay. While this happened. All right. Now, Joy Miller and her boyfriend, Billy DeVarel, were found in their bedroom also bludgeoned to death.
Joy was in bed and investigators found a bloody hammer wrapped up in the sheets.
This was one of a few bloody weapons. For some reason, it's like the hammer.
Because it's used for, like, construction.
It's a household item that, like... it's something about a hammer just to me is so so so brutal oh my god like beyond oh And it's also like this might sound weird, but it's shorter too, which like makes it feel more. more like personal like you have to get so close to the person and it has to be this like very personal thing yeah and just to be able to do that to somebody is unreal yeah oh yeah um but that was one of a few bloody weapons found in the And Joy was beaten so badly that all the sources I read said that from in between her eyebrows. to the back of her head was flat when they found her.
She had been beaten that badly. Wow. Yeah.
Now, Billy was at the foot of the bed leaned against a TV stand and and on the floor in front of him were actually several bloody metal pipes.
Wow. And it was clear that he had actually put up a fight against whoever had attacked him the entire upper half of his body was just drenched in blood and his hands actually showed defensive wounds.
It seemed like he was the main one who had tried to fight off the attackers.
And I guess you could assume most likely that joy and hate and him were the last ones attacked because he had time to get up and kind of relax. what was going on.
Right, because when this happened, it was like the early morning hours, probably around 3 in the morning.
Now, the house had been completely ransacked in addition to blood spatter and brain matter that covered just about every surface inside.
There was also drug paraphernalia. clothing and other random things that had been like tucked away in dressers and closets just thrown in the middle of the floor. and enjoy Miller's case onto her body.
Now, the police were so, like, cold. Oh, and it's... Cold-blooded murder, and then, like, cold-blooded after this, too.
Yeah. Because... The police are certain that this house had been ransacked by more than just the people who had killed its occupants. they figured that it obviously must have taken a good amount of time to get these four people killed the way that they were killed.
Yeah. And that obviously the culprits would have wanted to get out of there pretty quickly after doing so.
And they later found out that their suspicion was right. because the three men who had yelled to the movers about the dead bodies inside, they were customers of the Wonderland gang.
Instead of calling the police when they discovered the dead gang, they ransacked the place looking for drugs and any other valuables they could get their hands on.
Oh my God. I knew you were going to say that.
And they, so they were literally ransacking the closets.
Like that's why there was clothes on top of Joy Miller's body. because they were just throwing things to get the drugs.
Walking through, and like, I don't want you to look at this scene because it's like, what? nightmares are made of, but if you feel like you can.
I don't know how anybody walked through this scene. and just went about their business and then was like, there's dead bodies inside.
This scene should change you for the rest of your existence on this earth and beyond.
Those were like, I don't even know what they were.
They were brutalized bodies. Drugs are a hell of a thing.
They really are. That right there shows you the kind of hold. that they will take on someone.
How desperate you can get. They will just zero in on what we can get free drugs out of this when seeing one of the most gruesome crime scenes in history.
And this is not the only time that this will happen.
We'll get to another instance of this happening a little bit later.
So as the police walked around the scene and took it all in, there were many notes to be taken.
First and foremost, whoever had done this had to have some kind of connection to the gang because they would have had to have that gate unlocked for them.
Um, they also must've been somewhat familiar with the dogs at the residence or else they would have been deterred.
Yeah. But on that same note, the police were wondering, how had nobody heard anything coming from this scene in the middle of the night yeah why didn't we get any calls about this so the investigators started going around the neighborhood and asking questions.
And they found out that people had heard screaming around three o'clock in the morning. but nobody really gave it a second thought because they were used to this house just buzzing at all hours of the night.
I was gonna say that. Yeah. When you first said that, I was thinking in my head, I'm gonna be honest.
I wouldn't get involved in this. Nope. Like, I'm sorry.
I don't know what the hell is going on in there.
Like, it seems like this place was constantly having things going on and it's like and if you know that those people are involved in like all this shady underworld stuff Nope.
Not touching that with a 10 foot pole. Not me.
And it's like, they didn't know that. their neighbors were being brutalized.
They may have assumed even that their neighbors were doing this to well that's the thing it's like you you gotta i mean you gotta weigh your risk thing here exactly to me that sounds like a scary thing especially I'm sure there have been times where people have fucked up a drug deal there and gotten the shit kicked out of them or something.
I've probably heard these things before.
John Holmes was one of those people. Exactly, and they didn't think... that this was any different.
Like somebody's being brutally murdered in there.
They were probably just like, yep, that's what happened.
Somebody probably fucked up a drug deal. yeah right it's scary and it's so sad like it's so sad that this is the way that these people were living but right Unfortunately, I can understand why the neighbors kind of kept their distance.
I do too in this situation. One neighbor actually said, and it just kind of explained it and like laid it out for you.
He said there was a lot of traffic all day, all night. everything from Volkswagens to a Rolls Royce Silver Shadow.
They threw bags of dope off the balcony.
There was shouting, laughing, rock and roll 24 hours a day.
That must have been awful. I know. And even the neighbors, like the movers who heard Susan in the beginning, I said Susan.
Susan in the beginning. They were moving out of their house because of the Wonderland house.
Because of the craziness, yeah. So if you've ever had shitty neighbors, like, you know.
Exactly. when shit goes down, usually you're like, well, that's how they are.
Exactly. all this screaming and commotion was going on inside the Wonderland house and the neighbors just thought it was another night over there.
Yeah. So that meant that Susan had been laying on the floor clinging to life for at least 12 hours.
Wow. The fact that that woman is still alive is Fucking bonkers.
12 hours she was lying there. With her skull caved in.
How did she not bleed out? That's... I have no idea.
I have no idea. That's outrageous. She was even like throwing up blood at one point.
Oh yeah, I'm sure. I have no idea how she survived.
Jeez. So, while the investigators did their due diligence, John Holmes was sleeping in a motel room next to Don, who suspected that something was up with him.
Yeah. He kept yelling out in his sleep something about blood and a lot of it.
Oh. And he had come back to the motel that night after being gone for a long time.
She didn't know it yet, but he had been to Sharon's place.
His wife there. He showed up to Sharon's early on the morning of July 2nd, and she said he looked like something out of a movie.
His clothing was torn and he was covered in blood head to toe. he looked like there that he was just like somewhere else entirely in his mind like he had this blank face and she was like what the fuck happened to you?
Like what, what? I'm anxious for her. Like I feel physical symptoms of anxiety for her.
Oh my God, I know. Like that shows up at your door?
In like the early hours of the morning. I'd be like, I'm sorry.
No. like no we're not together anymore and this is exactly why Not my situation.
But again, she is a ride or die bitch. She truly is.
And I think she just... cared so much for the person that she had fell in love with.
And somehow maybe she just saw like a piece of him in there somewhere.
Yeah, I mean, that's the thing. It's like I can say all I want.
Like, I'd be like, bye. But you don't know until you're in that situation.
You don't know when you care about someone.
Right. That's. it changes everything. I can't imagine Drew showing up in like years on my doorstep looking like this.
Nope, I can't either. But I also don't know that I would turn him away.
Yeah, that's the thing. I love him. I love him.
I love him. I would be concerned if John showed up that way.
Yeah, and Sharon was. She was like, what the fuck are you doing here looking like this?
And he was like, I got in a car accident.
And she was like, okay. She's like, wow, you might be dying though, because that's a lot of blood.
Exactly. So he said that he was in a car accident and he asked her if he could take a bath at her house.
And Sharon later told an interviewer, John has a habit where if he has something unpalatable to pass off, he gets into the bathtub.
I mean, I guess that's like a common thread that runs through all of us.
I know. I was like, I hate that I have something in common with John Holmes yeah that's not great but like you have bad shit take a tub yeah take a tubby you know take a tubby John Holmes needed a tubby.
He needed a tubby. So she was used to his aunt. by this point too.
So she went to the bathroom and she started drawing the bath, but something about his story did not add up.
She was a fucking nurse. Yeah, she's like, you don't have wounds.
Well, that... Exactly. That's a big red flag to me.
She had treated plenty of people who had been in car accidents, they usually had cuts abrasions, bruises, a scratch at the very least.
John didn't have any of that. No, he just had blood.
He was simply covered in blood and Sharon started to worry that it was not his own blood.
Yeah. Because she was like, it doesn't have a source.
Yeah, there's no source for this. So the source is out there somewhere.
Yeah. Now, as she got him into the bath, she was like, you need to tell me the truth.
Because I'm going to drown you if you do. you don't and for one reason or another he broke down and told her almost everything He didn't name names, but he basically told her exactly what happened.
And she didn't know what to do, and she wouldn't speak about the night again until long after John Holmes was dead.
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Take two. Wow, Sharon. Yeah. Did, is his story like a play by play of what happened?
No, not really. It's just kind of like an overview.
Very much an overview. Okay. And we'll get to it.
Okay. But I got to set my scene. Yeah, setting the scene.
So back at the motel, setting the scene, Don was lying next to John, which also Don John is just like, funny trying to distract herself from his sleep screaming and as she's trying to do so she's just watching TV and she flicks to the news and And as John wakes up, the two of them sat there silently. as the story about the Wonderland murders flashed across the TV.
Now, Dawn knew this house as soon as they showed it on the screen.
She was like, I know that house. Like, that's...
I've sat outside of that house for hours and hours upon hours.
Yeah, you big turd. So she looked over at John and she said he turned the palest shade of pale a person could turn like she watched the color just ooze from his face She was too afraid to ask him anything too specific though, because remember, he beats her regularly.
So instead of this, she mentioned his sleep screaming about the blood.
She was like, You were having a nightmare.
Like, are you okay, sweetums? We're talking about blood.
And he just brushed her off and he said he had a bloody nose earlier that week and that was probably why.
Now, about a week later, Dawn would find out the truth.
During their investigation, the police learned that one Eddie Nash had been robbed just days before the Wonderland gang was taken out.
Now their source was unexpected, but turned out to have pretty much all the information that they needed to get this case moving. they became connected to one David Lind through a call-in tip by a man named Howard Cook.
Howard Cook called in a couple days after the murders, and he said he was with somebody who had valuable information.
And that they were actually at the crime scene right now.
Oh. Yeah. Okay. So the cops are like, park it there.
We'll be there in a sec. Now, as they arrived, Howard was outside on Wonderland Ave, and he said the person he had promised had good information was actually inside upstairs.
And he was like, I told him not to go up there, so please don't loop me into this, but he did go up there.
So a few cops, including lead detectives Robert Souza and Tom Lang, headed back into the crime scene and found David Lind on all fours. just scooping up various pills that had been left strewn on the floor.
What the fuck? Yeah. Yeah. Drugs, man. This is like wild.
Make you do crazy shit. He was quickly placed under arrest because he had just invaded a fucking crime scene.
A brutal crime scene. At that. And on his way down to the station, he explained why he was there in the first place.
Now, this is really sad, but also, like, I don't want to feel bad for this man and I don't really.
But so he explained the reason why he was there in the first place.
The murders had been all over the news, but the names of the victims hadn't been released yet.
So people knew that one person survived, but they didn't know who.
Now, David was convinced that his girlfriend Barbara must have been the woman who survived the attack because she, quote, never did anything to deserve this, which she didn't.
But that sentence alone let investigators know that their original hunch was right.
These murders were revenge-based. Yeah.
If Barbara hadn't done anything to deserve this, did that mean that everybody else had?
Yeah. Like, why'd you say that? Right. What does that mean?
So David Lynn, tough guy, biker, member of the Aryan Brotherhood, and man with a rap sheet multiple pages long.
Yeah, I don't feel bad for that motherfucker.
No, not at all. And it's like, oh, I'm sorry, you were looking for your girlfriend. one it's like you brought her into this situation in the first place exactly and it's like and then you went and like scooped up pills at the crime scene like wow you must have been very devastated yeah you were like basically like cheating on her so torn up about it so yeah but he was basically side himself at the loss of Barbara and the detectives knew that they were going to have to play on his emotions to get where they needed.
Yeah. So they did and he spilled. He explained the entire story about robbing Eddie Nash and then named a few names that the detectives hadn't heard quite yet.
Tracy McCourt, who had driven the car, and John Holmes, who had laid out the entire Eddie Nash house for the gang.
Now, David told all the detectives that Tracy and John were pissed about their cut of the loot being so much smaller than everybody else's.
Because John Holmes got a cut of what they took from Eddie Nash's house.
Wow. His brother, Eddie Nash. Wow. And he was pissed because I think he only ended up getting about like two grand or something like that. and david also explained that ron had wanted to kill eddie nash remember in the beginning we were like why did they leave them alive like it just doesn't really make a lot of sense.
So Ron had wanted to kill Eddie Nash, Gregory Diles, and actually a woman who had been staying at Eddie's. but that it was himself, David Lind, and Billy who urged him not to. because this was just one robbery that they'd committed recently they had been going on a string of robberies before this And David himself and Billy there felt like escalating to murder would just get the cops heavier on their cases.
So they were like, no, don't do that. But that's our answer.
There you go. Yeah, because that was very confusing to me.
Me too. Because I was like, this is like really going far and like humiliating him in the process, making sure it was like the most... like fucked up situation.
Right. Making sure he felt like the tiniest person ever.
And then you just leave and leave him like stewing.
And you know who he is. He controls half of the downtown.
Yeah, that just didn't make sense to me at first.
I was like, what the fuck? what kind of move is that?
But then again, the entire move is an idiotic move.
So it's like nothing in this logic has no place here.
No. But so he told them all of that and the cops figured that they were going to have to keep him in their good graces because not only was he a valuable source, but he was somebody who would probably be good to bring to trial if the time came.
Imagine having to rely on a man from the Aryan Brotherhood.
No. I will not. That would be such a compromising.
And having to be like nice to him because having to completely turn off every bit of your natural instinct inside your body.
That's the thing because I meant to mention this in the beginning actually.
I for the second part of this, I ended up finding a book that was a fucking treasure trove of information. written by the two lead detectives on the case oh yeah it's called malice and wonderland i'm gonna link it in the show notes i want to read that But they describe, you should read it.
It's really good. You would love it. And they have like all these notes and stuff.
It's like really interesting. But they were explaining this whole scene of like getting David Linden to the interviewing room and everything.
And he still had all those pills in his pockets.
And he was like on one when they got him.
And he started just like ripping them out of his pockets and naming what each one was and just like popping them.
So they were like trying to get information out of him.
So they were letting him do that because they were like, as soon as we stop him, our information is done.
But then he started getting more and more incoherent.
Of course. They were like, we got to let him go, but we can't let him go go.
Yeah. So it was this big thing. So they did eventually let him go.
He was free to go. But they told him he needed to stay in town. and that if they needed to reach him, they wanted to be able to do so in one phone call.
Like, one ring. Like, I don't want to have to fucking chase you.
Strangely enough... he obliged i was i was gonna ask that because i'm like that's a bold Bold move.
It was. And they knew it, too. Like, the detectives write about it in the book, but they had their hunch that it was going to work, and it didn't.
They went with it. Because he... He strangely enough really did seem to love Barbara and was like very, very affected by her death.
That's wild. He probably felt guilty. i hope yeah i imagine so just a few days after their chat with david lind robert Sousa and Tom Lang got a call from the LA narcotics department explaining that they were about to serve a search warrant at Eddie Nash's place, and did they want to come along with them.
Oh, boy. So they recently had an informant over to Eddie's place to buy some coke, and that gave them their in.
Now, the warrant was served on July 10th, and the cops walked out with a similar loot to the one that the Wonderland crew had walked out with just a week earlier, there was about a million dollars in cocaine seized, as well as some of the jewelry. and some guns stolen from Nash, now back in his possession.
Well, in the cop's possession, but you get what I'm saying.
You get it. That same day, so Eddie Nash gets arrested right then and there.
He ended up serving four years in prison.
But that same day, the cops tracked down John Holmes and arrested him and Don at the motel they were staying at.
Now, for security purposes, they set John, Don and Sharon, who ended up joining them at some point. up at the Bonaventure Hotel, and they start talking to John.
But pretty quickly, the team who was in charge of making sure this was a secure location because they wanted to keep their star witness safe, they decided the hotel that they were at was not secure enough.
So they actually had the trio moved over to the presidential suite of the Biltmore Hotel. the presidential suite of the Biltmore Hotel.
And the Biltmore Hotel is such an iconic...
Oh yeah. Iconic place. It's actually interesting in the book that I just mentioned, Malice in Wonderland.
They, so the two detectives actually had a connection with like an old security guard that worked at the Biltmore and that's how they got this room.
Oh, wow. But one of the detectives had worked on a case in the years past where the room directly underneath the presidential suite had like this crazy like crime story associated wow I don't want to go too far into it because we'll get off the rails but But just the Biltmore is like a real... Rich with true crime history.
Yeah, it truly is. But so yeah, they had them moved over there and John was happy because he thought the previous room was too small.
Oh, okay. It's all about your comfort, Johnny boy.
All about John Holmes and his comfort level. i literally johnny wad over there i can't disgusting gross I accidentally saw his penis in the second part of my research.
I like was just like looking for sources that I hadn't looked at yet.
And I pulled one up and it was literally like Habunga.
Oh. And I was like. Oh. Oh, I was like, that's not for me.
That's not for me. I don't receive that.
I do not receive that. I don't receive it.
Don't receive. this negative energy. So yucks.
No, thank you. I'm good. Thank you for that.
I was going to say, be forewarned that if you look into some weird sources, you might see a giant dick.
Hey, Dick. Drew was probably like, what are you doing?
Drew was like, I don't care to explain. You're in my living room.
Like, what the fuck? Drew's like, Ash, you're in the fucking living room.
My God. I was like, it's research, okay?
So anyway, he was allowed to order all the room service that he wanted to in the hopes that keeping him well-fed and happy would lead to more information.
Jeez. I have to placate all these dickwads.
That's the thing. I can't imagine how frustrating this must have been for everyone involved because you're just like...
Get fucked. I'd be out. It's like in that... I'm sure somebody remembers... episodes of tv shows like i do like is this sabrina right now it's not i wish i could connect this to sabrina but actually i'm kind of glad i can't But in an episode of Parks and Rec where, like, Andy, Ben, and...
I don't know who else are talking to. What's his name?
Dennis Feinstein. The cologne and perfume guy.
Oh, okay. Yep. And they're trying to like placate him to get money from him.
So he'll write a big check. And at one point, Andy just goes... you're a dick and they lose everything that would be like I don't know I can't and every time I watch it I'm like I get you dude you This is how I feel like I would be in this situation.
I could only go with it for so long and then I'd just be like, you're a dick.
I can't. I'm actually like really good at shit like this.
Like I can play it like on people's things to get information out of them.
So... i think i'd be good at this i end up just wanting to like just leave i'm like off Yeah, you get like red in the face and like you might assault them.
I can't hide my like disdain for people.
Yeah. i don't blame you this wouldn't work i mean you've been around longer too so you've had like more disdain to walk through i've just got layers on me So he did eventually reveal that he had helped set up the robbery at Eddie Nash's place by drawing up that map. then going over to leave the sliding door open.
And he said that he had been coerced, quote unquote. to leave the door of Wonderland open the day that the murders happened.
All right. Now, once he gave that final piece of information to the detectives, they wanted more.
But he wouldn't give anything else. Nothing else.
That's shocking. I thought he would sing like a canary.
Well, he wouldn't say if he knew who the killers were.
He wouldn't say if he had been at Wonderland longer than just leaving the door open.
And at some point, he just stopped talking completely.
So for someone who had just been begging to be placed in the witness protection program alongside Don and Sharon, He certainly didn't seem to be giving a whole lot for what that would get him, like that protection.
You're like, you have not earned that yet.
Before this, he was begging the detective there.
He was like, I need to be in the witness protection program if I'm going to tell you anything.
Yeah. And the guy was like, well, like, that's not I can't tell you, like, definitely that you'll be in that.
But I... I'll do everything in my power to make that happen for you.
And he's like, you have to give us information for that.
Exactly. But he wouldn't go past that because Nash had threatened to kill his entire family if he had said anything.
So he never spoke against Nash. Wow. So the detective who had been sent to interview him was named John Helvin.
He was a senior detective with a lot of experience. and he reminded John that he would likely be arrested for these murders down the road if he didn't talk.
But John Holmes did not seem to give a shit.
Wow. Now, Detectives Lang and Souza were pissed, not only because this whole operation really didn't get them a lot of anything... but also because they felt like as the lead detectives on the case, they should have been the ones interviewing John.
Yeah. But their boss had gone over their heads and put Helvin in charge because of all his experience and seniority.
But now John Holmes was walking out the door and likely going to try to disappear, just making this whole fucking investigation more complicated.
And it's like, that's so stupid. It doesn't matter about experience and seniority and all that.
These are the two guys working the case.
They have all the information. You gave us the case.
And I guess they went over to their boss when they found out this was going on, and they were like, is this our case or not?
Yeah. And one of them actually almost stepped down, but decided not to.
Man, that'd be frustrating. I'd be pissed.
So pretty much as soon as John walked out of that hotel room, he had the intention of running.
Don dyed his hair black and they spray painted Sharon's car to help disguise their identity.
Wow. And then John decided that they would make their way down to Florida.
So first they stopped in Vegas and then they made their way to Montana. and eventually all the way down to Miami Beach.
They stayed in super seedy hotels along the way, And to make money, Don would have to turn tricks and John would break into cars just stealing valuables.
Wow. Now, when they finally settled in Miami Beach, John got a job as a handyman for the hotel that they were staying at.
And he also worked at some of the other hotels along the strip.
Oh, yeah, because he was very handy. I forgot.
He was very handy. LOL. LOL. The manager of the hotel that they were staying at let Dawn clean rooms and operate the switchboard.
Oh, okay. What is that? I love that you just asked that question.
Switchboard is like what they would use to like transfer calls and stuff.
Oh, okay. Like an operator. I like tried to figure that out and I couldn't figure it out.
So probably calls from the rooms and such.
That makes sense. Oh yeah, she would operate the switchboard and she would clean rooms and that would like toward their rent so she'd do it without pay but they'd get a room yeah so don said actually that things were good for a while in Miami.
They made friends with some other people staying in the area and John's temper kind of evened out for a while.
She said like for once they were a normal couple like going to dinner, movies, stuff like that.
You weren't though. No, you were on the run.
Yeah. I don't think she necessarily realized that.
No, because she's still young. She's still super young.
So things started to look up and Dawn felt comfortable approaching John and telling him that she didn't want to be involved in sex work anymore.
She was like, I just don't want to do this anymore.
And she thinks that he's in an approachable place right now.
John had not changed like she thought he had.
And this is where there's going to be a big trigger warning for domestic abuse.
So the two immediately started fighting back and forth, which led John to putting his hands on her for what would be the last time.
She ran out of their motel room and down to the pool area with John just chasing behind her.
And when the two of them finally made it down to the pool, Dawn had nowhere to go.
And John just beat the shit out of her like there wasn't a bunch of people watching this oh my god and when he was done he just huffed away and stormed upstairs back to the room leaving her just like lying on the ground in front of all these people.
And no one stepped in to help her? Not while it was happening.
So she was terrified, hurt, and absolutely mortified that a bunch of people had just seen this. horse.
Now, luckily, the people down there that night were on to John.
They had seen how he was with Dawn and they'd seen her with bruises and stuff like that in the past and they wanted to put a stop to it.
So the next day, I think they all were very scared of John.
Yeah, he's an actual monster. Right. So the next day when he was at work, a few of the people who had seen what went down at the pool went up to Dawn's room and they offered to help her.
There were two women who offered her a job.
They were a mom and daughter, and the daughter had just moved into a house and gotten a new job for herself. and she needed somebody to look after her kids because she had new hours.
And she knew that Don had helped out babysitting some of the kids at the hotel in the past, So she offered her not only the job, but she also said, you can live in my house.
Wow. Like, while this is all happening.
And for this woman to do that, to step in, that's really... like risky and brave.
Exactly. Absolutely. And just like, what a guardian angel for her to have in that moment.
Yeah. So Dawn accepted immediately. She packed her shit and she got out of there.
Good. She got out of there. Good for you, Dawn.
I was so proud of her. Good for you. So that was in the beginning of December.
They had got on the run in like early July.
So she had gone through months and months.
I mean, that's like me wrapping it up very quickly.
But that was at least, what, is that five months of just... Of just abuse.
Bullshit, abuse, horrific nightmares. Fuck John Holmes.
So, Detectives Lang and Souza had been working their case against Eddie Nash, John Holmes tirelessly ever since John had walked out of that hotel room in the beginning of July.
Now, for the past five months, they were doing their best to dig up any information they could on him.
So tips started coming in, and from time to time, they were helpful, and other times they were just completely useless.
Now, they had visited with Sharon a couple of times within that span, and she confirmed that John was probably traveling with Don.
So the detectives figured out a way to get in touch with Dawn's family to see if they had heard from her.
Now, during their time on the run, John and Dawn had actually seen her family very briefly.
But what was helpful is that she would call from time to time and they were finally able to trace some of those calls back to the Miami area. they weren't i think i don't know if it was like pay phones or something like that but they couldn't trace an exact location they just knew they were in that greater area okay Now, what was incredibly helpful was that Don's youngest brother was actually willing to help the police out and participate in tracking Dawn down because they had like a super close relationship and And the detectives were like, we need to get her away from this man because... not only is he incredibly dangerous, but there are incredibly dangerous people looking for him.
Exactly. She's just going to be wrapped up in this.
And she is. She's going to be collateral. damage here that's i think that's the exact word that they used in one of the things that i watched Truly.
So the brother flew out to Miami and got to work trying to find his sister.
And when he finally did get a hold of her, he asked her just like, do you want to go for a drive?
Like meet with me and let's go for a drive and just catch up. so he picks her up she agrees but she realizes pretty quickly that they're being followed by the cops because the cops are trailing behind them this whole time oh boy Now, her brother admitted to her that he had helped the cops to get her here,
But he explained that she needed to help them or John was going to end up dead.
And if she did stay with him, she was also going to end up dead.
Like I said, there was a lot of people beyond Ed Nash who were pissed off at John Holmes and would jump at the chance to take him out.
He also told her everything they had against John and that they were working on getting him at this point on four counts of murder. and one count of attempted murder.
Because by this time in the investigation, they actually had evidence against John Holmes.
They had his partial palm print that was found and pressed in blood on Ron's bed frame.
Whoa. So they have a partial palm print now.
Oh, damn. Now, it got evidence. We got evidence.
It looked as if John was holding onto the bed frame with one hand. to kind of like steady himself while using the other to most likely beat Ron over the head.
Wow. Now, John had always made it seem like he was simply there for the murders.
At some point or another, he finally comes out and says that he was there with gregory dot or he doesn't actually name names but they assumed gregory dials yeah and then two other men and that he just watched everything and somebody held gun to his head.
That's always the case. Always the case.
I was just there. I didn't actually participate.
Yeah. I have my own little theory that he, I don't know if he participated in most of the murders.
But I know that when it came time to take Ron out, Jon definitely joined in. because Ron hated John and took every opportunity to make it known that he did.
He would hit him. He had abused him. Like he fucking hated this guy.
So it would not shock me that John would want in on this.
Of course. And the fact that he showed up at Sharon's house completely drenched in blood.
You didn't get completely drenched in blood by not actively participating in a new case.
You would have spatter on you. If you're just standing in the corner, you might have a few blood drops on you or even a good amount, but you're not going to be completely covered.
No. So in my opinion, your palm print is there.
And why else would your palm print be there?
Why were you that close to one of the bodies?
Why? If you aren't participating in it. Doesn't make any sense.
The town of Agde in France is famous for sun, sand, sea and sex.
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The town's mayor, a respected pillar of the community, has been arrested for corruption.
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Binge all episodes of The Mystic and the Mayor exclusively and ad-free right now on Wondery+. start your free trial in apple podcasts spotify or the wondery app So Dawn had a choice to make now.
She was scared, but she knew the right thing to do was to tell the cops where John was.
It was the right thing to do for countless reasons, and not only so that justice could be served, but in her mind so that John didn't end up killed because again, here's a woman who kind kind of still loves him in a way, you know?
It's one of those unfortunate things. She was groomed for most of her... teenage years she was groomed at a very young age so it's like her mind is just completely melded into what he wants it to be.
Right, because she was not only groomed at a young age, but pulled into such a dark life.
Yeah, and pulled from a tough life. So it's like she was really in a spot that she was vulnerable.
She was young. It was the perfect recipe to groom this kid.
It really was. To be something that he could abuse and take advantage of.
Mhm. He's a piece of shit. He's absolute garbage.
So she told the cops exactly where he was, and she also explained that he might look a little different because they had dyed his hair black.
And I think they had the car like put in a garage somewhere or something like that.
And she also explained that not super important.
So. But when the cops showed up to his room, John, being the fucking asshole smartass that he was, looked at them and asked...
What took you so long? Get... Fuck off. Get fucked.
Fuck right off into the sun. You know what took us so long?
You ran. away you little pussy ass bitch i love that that's what i would have said like shut up Well, in the book that I was reading, Malice in Wonderland, they were saying that he probably assumed that he was going to get the same treatment that... that he had before.
So he was kind of like, eh. So he's like, oh, OK.
Like, fuck you. And then when he realized that he was actually going to jail and he was being arrested on four counts of murder and one count of attempted murder. he wasn't super excited anymore that big dick energy went away real fast yeah exactly yeah He was arrested immediately, like I said, on four counts of murder and one count of attempted murder. and extradited back to California where he was to stand trial.
Bye, bitch. Bye, you would think. So the trial began in March of 1982 with the prosecution focusing heavily heavily on the fact that John was dissatisfied with his cut from the Eddie Nash robbery. and the fact that he was the one to open the door in not only the Eddie Nash robbery, but also for whoever had gone in with him that night to Wonderland.
Yeah. Now, without John Holmes to open the door, they said these murders may have never happened.
It's true because they wouldn't let anybody up.
Right, exactly. Not that night, at least.
Now, the biggest piece of evidence that they had, like I said, was that partial palm print that belonged to John and was found on Ron's bed. but the defense argued that John Holmes was simply another victim of Eddie Nash's and that he'd been forced by Eddie Nash and his accomplices to leave the door open.
Holmes isn't a victim get out of here he certainly is not John refused to testify because he knew what would entail it would entail speaking about Eddie Nash, which he was terrified to do because I think I said earlier,
Eddie Nash had threatened to kill John's entire family after the robbery and actually started naming out where different family members lived.
Oof. He was like, your mom, she's here, right?
Your dad, oh, yeah, he lives there. Your sister.
Oh, that's terrifying. Like, hate it. I can somewhat understand why he didn't want to testify, but you're still a piece of shit.
And John knew Eddie Nash was going to make good on his promises.
Yeah. For some reason, Eddie Nash wasn't called in to testify, which is weird.
But he actually showed up one day and sat in the back of the courtroom.
Oh, damn. Just to be like an enforcer. Yeah, figure.
Yeah. Yeah, but since John Holmes refused to testify, the jury really didn't have a super clear sense of this case. quite understand well there's a lot of moving pieces there's a lot of pieces and a lot of people not around to really say what happened.
Yeah. So John Holmes ended up being acquitted on all charges in June of 1982.
Wow. He did have to serve 110 days in jail for contempt because he refused to testify.
But strangely enough, the trial ended up leading John getting back into the porn industry.
Okay. Yeah. Wild that facing murder charges would rekindle somebody's celebrity status, but it did.
Yeah. After like in public, you know, abusing your girlfriend.
Yeah. Your underage girlfriend. girlfriend yeah yeah you can just go back to your super great life cool Yeah, so John's good friend and actually very famous porn producer, Bill Amerson... set up a production company and had john listed as an executive i forget the fuck And they started raking in like serious money again.
Awesome. John at that point kind of seemed to be somewhat drug free. and was quote unquote halfway reliable?
Halfway reliable. That's what you want. That's what you want out of somebody listed as an executive in your company.
Everybody wants to be described as halfway reliable.
Put that on your next resume and see how that goes.
But eventually, obviously, he turned back to drugs.
And according to Bill Emerson, he stole about a quarter of a million dollars from the company.
My God. You can't stop, won't stop. Can't stop, won't stop.
But now... he he's gonna stop he's it's gonna stop because in 1985 he got life-changing news He was diagnosed with AIDS.
In the beginning, he didn't tell anyone other than his new girlfriend.
And actually still continued acting in different porn films.
Oh. So he subjected other people to AIDS knowingly.
Yeah. Yeah. Now the people in the industry just thought that he had colon cancer.
That was the story that he told them. But over the years, his condition and complications with the virus got worse and worse.
And finally, it got to the point in 1988 where he was hospitalized and was expected to pass away at any moment.
Wow. So in February of 88, detectives Lang and Souza went to visit him because he was on his deathbed.
Yeah. So they're like, you know... Maybe we can get something out of you.
And the Wonderland case had been reopened. and Nash now was being looked at as the key suspect.
So they hoped that since John again was on death's doorstep, and probably not so worried about what Nash could do to him now, he might say something.
But unfortunately, John wasn't in any state to give up information.
He was laying in the hospital bed half conscious and nothing he said was coherent.
Oh, shit. Yeah. He died just a month later on March 13th, 1988, taking almost everything he knew about about July 1st, 1981, with him to the grave.
Fuck. Yeah. Now, part of the reason why the Wonderland case had reopened was because of somebody that I mentioned in the beginning of this episode's scott thornson he was the one who was with liberace oh okay Now, Scott Thornson at this time had recently been arrested on burglary charges, and he was working on a plea deal with the police.
If he would testify against Eddie Nash, he would end up with a reduced sentence, which he was fully willing to do.
So, in 1988, Eddie Nash was arrested along with his bodyguard, Gregory Dials, on the same four counts of murder and one count of attempted murder that John Holmes had faced about six years earlier.
Now, not only had Scott Thornton told authorities what he'd seen on the night of July 1st, 1981, but other people came forward and talked about their experiences that they'd had with Gregory Dials in the past.
Now, some people who had been kicked out of Nash's clubs said that Gregory Diles actually got violent with them once they were kicked out. oh damn and on more than one occasion and more than one person reported that they were hit with what they described as a billy club Ooh.
So years before he got arrested for these murders and people started talking about this, He actually went to prison because he was pulled over with that billy club, which turned out to be...
A metal pipe. Oh, I knew it. I knew it. A metal pipe.
And I guess it had like a bicycle handle fashion to one end.
Damn. So he served time for possession of a deadly weapon.
Could that have been the same weapon that killed four people on Wonderland Avenue?
Probably. Wow. But the world may never know because their first trial for the murders ended with a hung jury, 11 to 1.
Are you kidding me? Do you want to know why one person couldn't decide whether or not he was guilty?
Do I? there was one juror who just wouldn't go along with the decision that the rest had come to.
And they definitely would have gotten life in prison for these murders.
Yeah. In later years, the authorities learned that Eddie Nash had bribed one juror with $50,000.
Are you kidding me? So he and Greg ended up getting retried, but were acquitted.
Wow. Can you believe this? Wow. Tomfoolery.
This is exactly tomfoolery. This is tomfoolery.
Truly. So over the years, Eddie Nash was in and out of jail on different charges.
Like I said, right after the murders, the police raided his house and he went to jail or to prison for four years.
But that was not enough to the police, the FBI, anybody involved in this case since the beginning. they were chomping at the bit to get Eddie Nash behind bars for these murders.
Yeah. But since he was acquitted, they were going to have to take a different angle because double jeopardy, you know.
So he was arrested again. Ashley did. You know I'm named after her.
Yeah. He was arrested again in 2000. on about 16 different federal racketeering charges, which included running a drug trafficking ring, bribing a juror in his original case, money laundering, and finally... conspiracy to carry out the wonderland murders oh we're getting sly we're getting crafty with it Now, by this point, Eddie was in his 70s and his health was failing.
Gregory Dials actually had passed away in 97 from liver failure.
Damn. So Eddie was on his own for this one.
Now, he took a plea deal. and he pleaded guilty to all the charges but when it came to the wonderland murders he said he had simply organized a robbery to get his things back from Wonderland.
He said, I recognize the violence during said robbery.
May have led to murder, but it was not my intention or my plan to have the people there murdered that night.
I do not for one second believe that. Not for one millisecond do I believe that you are not going to murder these people.
I believe Scott Thornton who was probably shitting a brick while he was sitting there listening to you say like He also went on and said like, bring me their eyeballs.
Whoa. Like he wanted these people brutalized.
Yeah. Of course he was pissed. It was clear that he was pissed.
He had been made a fool of. There's no way this guy was going to have them just take back his shit.
No. No. Not at all. That's not at all what was happening.
And I love that he's like... Maybe some people were murdered.
Maybe. I don't know. It's like, you know what you do.
It's possible. It happened. Yeah. That is...
That happened. There were other people connected to Eddie Nash that would turn up dead mysteriously and he'd be like, I don't know.
Maybe someone died. Literally right after the murders, a man died in his house.
And when the police got there, it looked like it was an overdose, but they were like... it very clearly looked like an overdose because somebody wanted it to look that way. but there was no way for us to prove that.
So we kind of just had to let it be ruled over.
Just go with it. But like, this is the kind of man we're talking about.
Damn. So when it came time for sentencing...
Eddie Nash was sentenced to four and a half years. and a $250,000 fine.
What is reality? And he only spent about two years in prison because of time served.
And how old was he? He was like 70-something.
He was like in his 70s. He flew entirely under the radar once he got out of prison until 2014 when it was announced that he had passed away at 85 years old.
Wow. So four people ended up brutally murdered over drugs and guns. and the two main people involved were really never proven to be guilty.
We will never know who else was involved in the Wonderland murders.
And for that reason, the case technically remains unsolved.
Wow. But Tom Lang said of the case, there's no mystery.
We know who was involved and we know why.
Yeah, it's just a matter of not being able to get the full impression.
Now, some people say that the Wonderland house is haunted, which, like, duh.
Yeah. Yeah. They say that John Holmes still hangs around inside the house and that the people who were murdered there, Joy Miller, Billy DeVerell, Ron Lanius and Barbara Butterfly Richardson still lurk around.
No. I couldn't really find too many actual experiences that people have had.
But one source claimed that people felt like they were being pushed or pulled, especially in the middle of the night.
And another source said, don't get too close to the TV.
But didn't explain why. I mean, that's just good practice for life.
That's just like good for your eyes. You should never get too close to the TV.
That's bad for your eyes. Yeah. I was like, so what happens if you do?
He's like, I just care about all your vision.
That's all. Yeah. I just wanted to let you know.
Sue me. Okay. know it seems like a family lives at the house now like literally there's a minivan parked in the garage these days woof uh but they don't want anything to do with talking Yeah, I don't blame them at all, but wow, what a choice.
Or these birders, I should say. But isn't that bonkers bananas, cuckoo nuts?
Like, there were other people there that night and they might be walking around.
Wow. I mean, it was 81. They'd be old, right?
Maybe not if they were in their 20s and the 80s.
Oh, I forget that this is 81. Yeah. And not in the like early 70s.
Well, it kind of like John Holmes started in the 70s.
But yeah, there could very well be people just walking around who know exactly, know exactly what happened that night.
Damn. But we just won't know because John Holmes is dead.
Eddie Nash is dead. Gregory Diles is dead.
David Lynn died. And Susan doesn't remember anything.
Shit. And the fact that Susan, like, just doesn't remember anything.
It's like, oh. I know. I'm honestly. I'm happy for her that she doesn't.
It's a blessing for her to not remember that, I'm sure.
I can't imagine going on living my life like... hearing what had happened.
Yeah. But like imagine if she had actually remembered what happened.
If she remembers everything but holy shit.
But I hope she's like thriving. thing because what because she wasn't like part of any of the no she wasn't part of the gang activities around she used drugs and she lived there but she was not interested in the activities because she was the one who had been kidnapped in Mexico yeah yeah yeah and was like I'm not interested.
I'm not interested. Yeah. And she was 25 when this happened.
She was my age. That's crazy. because we have bonkers and like barbara richardson literally had never committed a crime well like It's speculated that she helped David Lind when they were dating, but she didn't have any official charges.
Wow. Like had never committed a crime technically in her life.
And this is how she died. This is why you got to be careful, man.
Who you're around. up with and who you get wrapped up with yeah because when they called her family her family was like What?
Like they didn't really know a lot about David Lind or anything like that.
It's like bad people, man. They bring bad stuff.
22 years old. real careful about who you associate with because it does, it can affect you.
And don't agree to do anything that you don't want to do.
No. That you think is going to end up leading to trouble.
Yeah. Because it oftentimes does. Yeah, this whole tale is a cautionary tale of...
Who to not fuck around with. Yeah, it's a cautionary tale from start to finish, to be honest.
It's a cautionary tale of fuck around and find out.
Yeah, for real. Holy shit. So that's the story of the Wonderland murders.
I can't recommend. Malice in Wonderland enough.
It's by Robert Souza and Tom Lang, and they were the lead detectives on the case, so they have all the inside scoop. that's also an amazing name oh yeah malice in wonderland whoever thought of that yes shake your hand And they go like so far into like little things that I didn't want to take from the book, obviously.
So definitely check it out. Yeah, we'll definitely link it.
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