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Hey weirdos, I'm Alayna. I'm Ash. And this is Morbid.
Hi. Hello. We are here. And so are you. Oh my god, I was literally just going to say, and you are too.
And you are too. there you go we're all here together oh my god it's you know i'm tired it's been my littlest one is still not sleeping and you know yeah she just she's not gonna She needs a sleep study.
She truly does. She genuinely does. She's just like me. not a real thing hook her up to those monitors man figure out what the hell is going on help But other than that, I think something really sad happened.
Andre Leon Talley died. I know. I feel like every episode lately is like, and this person died.
It sucks. It just keeps being, like, I woke up to that this morning and was like, are you kidding me? he was a huge huge figure in fashion and i'm not like a huge like fashion like vogue and everything like i like fashion ash is definitely more like fashion i love fashion but i definitely was a fan of andre leontali just for who he was as a person.
And I mean, in case you don't know who he is, he was the creative director at Vogue for a while.
He rose up the ranks like crazy. He was the editor at large for a long time.
He was like six foot six, I think it is, or six foot seven.
Yeah, he was like tall. He was this tall force and he wore the best shit.
He was like fearless with fashion. He just was awesome.
And he also just like had a way about him.
I was going to say he just like emitted the best vibe. just yeah like positivity and he just seemed like he encouraged people a lot which is nice like a very happy person and like someone you want to be around it's just like a real bummer like thanks a lot 2022 like jesus yeah she's being a real bitch she really is Is she mad that nobody claimed her?
I don't know. Maybe that's it. Should somebody have claimed her?
I don't know. I don't know if we want to take that road.
Like, everybody claimed the last couple, but, like, then 2022 is like i'm so unwanted like so i'm just gonna fuck with you guys and yeah yeah it really sucks i don't know man But Andre Leon Talley, it's a sad, sad death.
Rest in fashion baby yeah for real because you know what the other thing that he was a huge proponent for encouraging fashion designers to put more people of color and especially more black models on the runway.
So he was instrumental in pushing that. I love that.
He also he had a quote that I loved and I'm not going to be able to quote it completely.
But it was something about... He said you don't have to be born aristocratic to become an aristocrat.
Like, to, like... carry yourself like a nurse like he was totally like carry yourself like you're fabulous and royal Like that's all that matters.
I just love him. I thought he was great.
So that's a really sad loss. to a huge, huge community.
Sad. Yeah, very sad. But rest in peace, Andre.
Thanks for what you did. We don't have a sitcom song for you, but...
We could sing Vogue, I guess. I suggested that, but then I was like, you know, people are probably gonna stop listening if we just sing at them every time, so. yeah we had two sitcom songs that we sang and then yeah we're done don't worry yeah we can't come after madonna Yeah, we really can't.
No. Because, you know... Oh, now I have it, like, stuck in my head.
I know. I do, too. I have the, like, that, like, part where...
Yeah, exactly. But yeah, here we are. It's Ash's case today.
And I'm excited to hear what it is because she has been chomping at the bit to tell me this.
Yes, I have. I have been working on this for quite some time now.
And then we had a couple of like delays here and there.
Some delays. So we are going to be talking about Stacey Castor today.
I don't know if you know her. She's often referred to as the Black Widow. but a lot of female murderers are, so it doesn't necessarily narrow it down.
Yeah, it's one of those like there's like a million freeway killers.
Yeah, exactly. They just plop that name on people.
Yeah. I feel like if you're a woman and you kill like at least two people, you're called a black widow.
You are a spider. Yeah, or you're like what my grandpa used to call my aunt because she dated a lot of people in high school.
There you go. Yeah. Not me though. No, I don't refer to you as my aunt.
Definitely not. You're my seasoner. You're my seasoner.
But so I started this off like a little bit different because, you know, I love to like try to tell it a little differently, like I want to like kind of like stir you up a little and be like, oh my God, I haven't heard that.
And then you're like, oh wait, I have heard that.
Yes. Or maybe you haven't. So we're gonna start somewhere toward the end, and we're gonna start on the morning of September 14th, 2007.
Brie Wallace walks into her sister Ashley's room and finds her laying there with her eyes wide open, non-responsive and barely breathing so brie screams for her mother stacy to please come and help And Stacey immediately dials 911.
Now, while she's on the phone, she's like looking around her daughter's room for any indication of what could have happened here.
And that's when she notices an empty bottle of absolute vodka. and what looks like a note lying next to Ashley's head.
So she tells the 911 operator what she sees before her.
And she explains that she thinks Ashley drank this whole bottle of vodka and mixed it with Ambien.
She said she must have taken Ambien and mixed it with it.
Okay. And she starts reading the note. And clearly this is a suicide note.
But this is not your typical suicide note because in this note Ashley has confessed to two murders.
Oh. Yes. The murder of her own father, Michael, who died when she was just 12 years old. and the murder of her stepfather, who had died about two years before this.
So Stacey is in absolute shock and she just keeps referencing this note on the phone like, oh my God, this is a suicide note.
Oh my God, this is what it says. Oh my God, it just keeps harping on this note.
And the 911 operator is like, Listen, I understand that you've got that note in front of you, but I need to know what's going on with the person in front of you so I can send the appropriate help.
Yeah. So... Stacy is just in a complete haze, but she looks around her 20 year old daughter's room.
She comments on how messy it is to the 911 operator.
And she's like, you just need to get here fast because at this point, Ashley's throwing up so she sees this note she's like the room is a mess just so you know now she's throwing up this is what happened she took these pills and And she took, she drank a whole bottle of vodka.
So the 911 operator is like, okay, there is a lot going on here.
Like, what should we focus on first? So when the first responders arrived, quickly got Ashley into an ambulance and they sped off to SUNY Upstate Medical Hospital.
Stacey and Bree made their way to the hospital as well, but when Stacey got there, she was not allowed in the room right away, and she was pissed about it. about that because that's her daughter.
Yeah, of course. So even though the note she had just read meant that her daughter was possibly a murderer, She was putting that aside for the moment and she was just desperate to be by Ashley's side.
By that point, Ashley was convulsing. And both Bree and Stacey heard the doctor say something about her heart beating out of control.
Oh, geez. So Bree stayed with Stacy in the waiting room while the doctors got Ashley into a stable condition.
And the police arrived on scene quickly, not only because of the nature of this whole incident, but because this family They'd actually been involved with the police for quite some time, like going on years at this point.
Because when Ashley's stepfather, David Castor had died, There were some unanswered questions, and they were actually focusing in on Stacey, not Ashley.
But now that all this was going on, they needed to talk to Ashley because by the sounds of it, she had just confessed to killing her stepfather.
Yeah. That's a big deal. So, when Ashley was in good enough condition for them to talk to her, they went into the rooms And they asked her about this quote unquote suicide note that she had written.
It was almost 750 words long. jeez yeah very long one usually they're not that long no she looks at them and she's like You're insane.
Like what? I didn't write a note. I didn't take any pills.
Like what is going on here? Oh boy. And two murders?
Absolutely not. She's like, I was 12 when my dad died and he died of a heart attack.
Oh boy. Yeah. And as far as she knew, her stepfather had actually committed suicide.
And that was after he had lost his own father.
So she's like, what the fuck is going on here?
Yeah, like, this is not adding up. She said the last thing that she remembered before ending up in the hospital was... was having a drink with her mother and then realizing that she didn't feel so good and going to lay down.
And she said the next thing she knew she was being rushed to the hospital and everything was blurry from there.
So they wanted to know more about the drink that she had with her mother.
They were very interested about that drink. which at first she was like what like we had a drink together like what is what do you mean Yeah, I'd be like, some shit went down after that drink.
But she would quickly realize that she was... wasn't the only person who felt strange after drinking something that Stacy Castor had prepared.
Uh-oh. There were two people before her who experienced the exact same thing.
Oh my goodness. sorry if you already said this how old is the daughter 20 20 okay so Stacey Castor Ashley's mother let's talk a little bit about her yeah Let's talk about her.
She had been born on July 24th, 1967 in upstate New York.
So not far from us in New England. Her parents were Jerry Daniels and Judy Eaton.
Her mother said that growing up, she wanted to be involved with law somehow, like wanted to be a lawyer or a paralegal.
She did pretty well in school and her mom said she definitely would have been able to follow that path.
But instead, during the end of her senior year, she met this guy who was a little bit older than her.
And his name was Michael Mike Wallace. So Stacey was 17 when they met and he was 23.
But she said, The second she met him, she knew he was going to be the man that she would get married to.
She knew it. She said five minutes after she met him.
Wow. yeah magic magic it was a love at first sight kind of thing And Stacey said her Mike was the life of the party and he was the kind of guy who would give you the shirt off of his back.
He was always there for her, she said. Kind of.
Oh. I was like, we all need a mic. Who doesn't love a mic?
Yeah. Uh-oh. Mike was there for her in the beginning of things, but he was very much still living the life of a bachelor.
He had actually already been married once before.
Strangely enough to Stacy's third cousin.
Oh, yeah. All right. We're going down a path.
Going down a Here we go. I take it back.
Stacy's third cousin and Mike actually had a child together.
They had a son. So he already has a child.
And their marriage was not a great marriage, the one to Stacey's cousin.
He had actually gone to jail a couple of times specifically for drinking and driving during that marriage.
And his ex-wife Nancy said that he had been physically abusive toward her on more than one occasion. oh man you don't want this version of mike no at all and she said that This was the reason they ended up divorcing.
But in a strange way, she said, she always felt like he was a good guy to some degree.
Okay. Yes. So Stacey didn't see that side of Mike when they first started dating, like the yucky side. but it slowly started to reveal itself.
As it usually does. It wasn't physical in the beginning of the relationship and that wasn't that broke them up because they did end up breaking up over Mike's partying and the fact that he would always pick out or pick going out and having like a wild time over staying with Stacy and like hanging out with her Oh, man.
Oh, Mike. So they argued a lot and they ended up breaking up. right before Stacey found out that she was pregnant with their daughter Ashley.
And that was something that made her and Ashley's bond even stronger because it was just the two of them together in the beginning.
Yeah, you gotta stick together. they were all each other really had.
And Stacey said Ashley was her whole reason for being on this earth.
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Rules and restrictions apply. So a few months after having Ashley, Stacy and Mike figured things out.
They got back together. And in April of 1990, they got married at Stacy's childhood home. okay cute little wedding all right so things are you know turning around yeah the puzzle pieces are starting to get put back together yeah So everybody remembered how happy Stacy was, and even though Mike still had his partying ways about him, stacy was kind of like the person in his life who kept him more on track okay when stacy was around he was stable Yeah, some people need that anchor person that just makes them want to be a better person.
Right. And a lot of people said it was Stacey who not only was that person, but also wore the pants of the relationship. i always thought that like i know i hate that phrase so much makes me just want to like kick someone in the teeth because i'm like i wear pants too we all wear pants yeah like i'm I wear the leggings in the relationship, but either way.
Whenever somebody says that to like, who wears the pants in the relationship?
I'm like, well, we both do most of the time.
I've put on pants pretty much every day.
I'm almost always wearing pants. I mean.
Most of the time I'm wearing pants. Yeah, most of the time.
It's a very dumb choice. Sometimes neither of us are wearing the pants.
Yeah, sometimes you're out of here. Sometimes we're just walking around in underwear.
It happens. That's the best. That's how you have a great marriage.
Pants, you're out of here. Pants, goodbye.
But she wore the pants. I guess Mike was pantsless at all times.
So three years after having Ashley together, Mike and Stacey actually had another daughter named Bree, who we know from the beginning.
Look at that. Brie stole Mike's heart and it became clear rather quickly that Brie was his favorite child. should not necessarily pick a favorite.
And if you do, you should definitely not make it known.
Don't make it clear. Ashley said when she was older that like she didn't really remember it.
But other people were like, oh no, it was very evident that he would pick Brie out and like, do things with her and leave Ashley to the side.
Aw. Which is sad. That's sad. It is. Because it's like, you have two daughters.
Like... you have an entirely different relationship with both of them.
Well, that's the thing. It's like it's not favorites.
It's just you have a different relationship with them.
They're two different people. Right, but to people on the outside, they were like, they're very different relationships in the way where you clearly favor one over the other.
That's a bummer. Ashley said she had fond memories with her dad, but it was like her mom was more of her best friend.
Okay. So, as the years passed, things between Stacy and Mike were not always so great.
Nobody remembers him being physically abusive toward her, but the couple definitely had their fair share of fights.
And most of the time it was over things like money or Mike's drug use to mix with his love for alcohol.
And it also didn't help that they worked entirely opposite schedules.
Oh, yeah. So it's like basically the makings of a fucking disaster.
Yeah, of course. Because by day, Stacy was working as an ambulance dispatcher, actually.
Oh, wow. Ironically. and Mike was a mechanic by night.
Okay. So Stacey would tell people all the time during like the later years of like the marriage that she was getting ready to divorce Mike.
She wanted to leave him. She wanted to move on. but that would never happen because it was like there was always something that made her stay. even though they were having such like intense issues, the love that she felt for him never seemed to go away.
I was going to say that's like we've we talked about that, I think, in like a recent Listener Tales episode.
People were sending us messages being like, you know, sometimes I think it was one like that. um there was like an affair that happened and people in the person was saying like you know You can't really judge like you care about someone.
It's hard. And it's like these kind of things.
You're like, there had to have been something.
Right. Because something brings you together.
So it doesn't just die out. I mean, sometimes it does, but it's like oftentimes it doesn't.
Sometimes it's hard to see that. those really bad things for what they are definitely and as we know mike passed away i said it in the beginning of the story And even after Mike passed away, Stacy still talked about how much love she had for him.
So it was about 10 years into their marriage when Mike started feeling really, really shitty.
It was during the winter of 1999. And Ashley remembered that there were times where he just couldn't talk.
He couldn't walk straight. He couldn't remember things.
Oh, that's really sad. And on one occasion she remembers him sitting up projectile vomiting and then just falling right back to sleep afterward.
Like something was very much going on. Yeah.
Because he did struggle with his use of alcohol, the adults in his life probably thought that his condition had something to do with that. but Mike knew that there was something going on with him.
So he went to see his doctor that winter.
And he told the doctor about all of his symptoms.
He said he would feel drunk when he literally hadn't touched alcohol. how he couldn't walk straight no matter how hard he tried.
And the doctor said, you know, this kind of sounds like an inner ear issue. because there's crystals within the inner ear that can sometimes shift to places where they shouldn't be.
And when that happens, a person might feel dizzy Or like they can't see straight.
Like a vertigo situation. I was just going to say if you've ever experienced vertigo, you know exactly what I'm talking about.
And a lot of times that's the cause for vertigo is the shift of the crystals within the ear.
But that was not the case for Mike Wallace because while he was waiting on a follow-up appointment, He was still feeling terrible and experiencing the same symptoms.
And on January 11th, 2000, he laid down just to relax on the couch, probably just looking for some kind of reprieve from this constant dizziness and nausea that he was feeling, but he would never get back off that couch.
Ashley got home from school first that day before Bree.
And when she got home, she didn't think her dad looked good.
And she said that his behavior was just more confusing to her than anything else.
He was making weird faces. And at one point she saw his arm jerk into the air and then fall down.
And she thought it was strange, but she's also 12 years old.
And she's only 12. She's like, maybe he was sleeping, having a weird dream.
Like, I don't know. Yeah. What do you, I wouldn't know now.
I have no idea. Yeah. So she wasn't sure, and she had to go pick her sister up from school because she would go walk and get Bree from school.
So while Ashley was walking to pick her sister up that day, Stacey got home in the meantime and saw that Mike was clearly in distress.
And because she was an adult when she saw his movements that Ashley just thought as strange behavior.
Stacey was like, oh no, I think he's having a heart attack.
Like that's what that looks like. So she called an ambulance, but it was too late to save Mike's life.
He died before they even got to the hospital.
And he was just 38 years old. Oh my goodness.
Like so young. Geez. So they didn't need to have an autopsy because it was pretty clear what had happened here.
And Mike wasn't exactly the poster child for like health and wellness.
So it didn't raise a lot of eyebrows that he died pretty young.
Being his wife, Stacey was the beneficiary of his life insurance policy, and she got a payout of $55,000.
So she used part of that money to buy a cemetery plot where she had Mike buried and some of it to take the girls to Disney World.
Okay. So some people in Mike's life did have questions.
His sister specifically was like, I don't know, something just doesn't feel right about this.
But she kept kind of getting like pushed to the side.
Yeah, which often happens. Often happens.
And one of the things that people did think was strange, some people They said that Stacey just didn't really show much emotion about her husband of 10 years suddenly passing away. and there is something to that of course you know you can't judge we always say it you can't judge completely someone how they grieve but like If there's no sign of emotion, after at least 10 year marriage, it'll at least raise some eyebrows.
Right. So it raised some eyebrows, but other people thought, you know, maybe she's just trying to be strong for her kids.
Like she can't break down constantly. lose herself in grief.
But nobody saw Stacey grieving at all. It was just like, it wasn't just putting on a strong face it was just kind of strange it was like okay like this that's what it is and now we have to move on yeah And she also did move on pretty quickly as far as some people were concerned romantically.
Because people were like, okay, the end of her marriage to Mike was rocky and she'd been out of it for a long time.
So she deserves to move on. But other people were like, no, no, no, that's too fast.
Now, Ashley and Bree were not stoked when her, when their mom decided to move on because for a long time, it was just the three of them.
And they would go on like shopping trips.
They had gone to Disney. There was a lot of bonding going on and they had just lost their father.
But all of that was going to change when Stacey met a man named David Castor.
So Davey met Davey. Oh, my God. Stacy met David through her boss in 2001, just one year after Mike passed away.
And David was 10 years older than Stacey.
But she was used to being with somebody older because Mike was also a little bit older. and she kind of found comfort in David.
So he himself had been married before to a woman named Janice They were high school sweethearts.
They got married. They had a son. They had like a whole life together before divorcing in August of 2001.
No, after meeting after meeting the two of them.
Stacy went to go work for David at his heating and cooling company that he'd owned for the past some odd years.
And Janice remembered that it was pretty typical for David to hire the women that he was dating.
They would work for him as like secretaries making different appointments.
She actually had worked for the company herself for a long time before their marriage ended.
And David had actually asked some of those previous girlfriends to marry him as well, but they had all said no. when he asked Stacy, she was the one who said yes.
And to Janice, it kind of seemed like Stacey was more saying yes to a life of security. than marrying David for love.
Because not only did David have his own business, He also owned a beautiful home that Stacy and her daughters would move into.
He also had a lot of nice things. He had like snowmobiles, four wheelers, people called them his toys.
They would go on like vacations. It was a nice lifestyle that she was about to marry into.
Absolutely. They did get married in August of 2003, but things were not hunky-dory at Kathy Hilton.
Ashley and Brie really weren't into the idea of getting a new stepdad and uprooting their whole entire lives to move in with him.
No, of course not. They've been through a lot.
They've been through a lot. And David wasn't really a warm, fuzzy stepdad either.
He had his own son, but his son was grown by this point.
And he was like, oh, great. Like two kids come along with this.
Like, well, that's what you're walking into, buddy.
Yeah, exactly. Exactly. He told Stacey on multiple occasions that he just really didn't want a lot to do with the girls. but also at the same time wanted to be a disciplinarian in their life.
No, no, no, no, no. cannot have it both ways no no no you can't do that no no like get out You cannot do it.
No. You cannot do that. You get both or you get nothing.
Mm-hmm. But he, according to many people, was the guy who expected people to do as they were told.
He was the one dealing out the orders. And Stacey said if he wanted the girls to listen to excuse me, Stacey said he wanted the girls to listen to him and not ask questions.
But she was like, they're my kids. They're going to ask questions.
Of course they are. That's what kids do, man.
Of course. Of course they're not supposed to, like, question, like... basic things that you're telling them they have to do like but because they're old enough that it's not like a five-year-old being like why do I have to brush my teeth Exactly.
Let me explain why. But they're going to have questions.
You're new. And you're not their dad. You're new here.
You're not their dad. You're not my dad.
You're not my dad. Obviously, this led to a lot of tension in the household and a lot of arguments between Not only the girls and David, but Stacey and David too.
Of course. So one of the biggest fights happened there. when Stacey and David were actually trying to figure out what they should do for their second wedding anniversary.
By this point into their marriage, it was not going great.
I think Stacy was actually seeing somebody on the side.
Not good. And they were just... I would say that's not growing great.
I would say that's actually the opposite of going great.
Yeah, I would say that's going poorly. Yeah.
So David was like, I want to go somewhere for a weekend.
We can kind of like reconnect. We can figure out what's going on here.
Let's just go away together. And Stacy was like, I don't want to because Ashley was old enough to stay home by herself.
She was about 17 or 18 at that point. But Brie was only about 14 or 15 and Stacey was like, I don't really want her to be home by herself.
No, I'd be the same way. For an extended period of time.
Yeah. So David was like, you know what? Fuck this.
I'm trying to figure out this marriage. I'm trying to make this work with you.
Yeah. I think to him also, this had happened before, she was picking her daughters over him.
But that wasn't cool with him. Yeah. He was pissed and according to her, he started drinking a lot that weekend and he screamed at her. to get the fuck out of his house and to take her kids with her.
Jeez. So it was a very bad weekend. This is not a great weekend.
He had also just lost his father. His dad died of mesothelioma.
Mesothelioma. I can never say that. Thank you.
Mesothelioma. There you go. Just a month before all of this.
So he was going through a lot. And then their marriage was going through a lot.
It was a really shitty time. Yeah, for sure.
I mean, you definitely shouldn't lash out on people.
No, that's not what I'm saying at all. No, I know you're not saying that.
I'm just saying like, you know, don't yell at people when you're mad.
Exactly. But Stacey was like, you know, he's been depressed.
Now we're fighting. Our marriage is on the rocks.
Like, I'm just going to fucking leave him alone if that's what he wants.
So the weekend that he screamed at her to get the fuck out of his house, she did as she was told.
And she spent most of that weekend avoiding him, she said.
But she would go back, check on him every now and again, because according to her, he was in a full blown drinking binge by that point. and had like basically kind of sequestered himself into their bedroom.
So over the weekend, She was able to get into the bedroom from time to time.
Sometimes the door was locked, sometimes it wasn't.
At one point she came in and she found him passed out on the floor, she said, completely naked.
So she put some underwear on him and she actually had to call one of their friends to help get him back into bed. that friend was Mike Coleman.
And he said that he and David had been friends for years, so he came over the second that Stacy called.
He's like, course I'll help you out and he said when he got there David was so out of it that he didn't even recognize him like he didn't know who Mike was Oh boy.
So he helped Stacey get him into bed and he left.
Then on August 22nd, 2005, things took a turn for the worst.
Stacey called 911, telling the operator that she wasn't even able to get into her bedroom and that her husband was locked in there.
She said that she hadn't talked to him since the day before really early in the morning and that he screamed at her to leave him alone. and then that he had gotten a bottle of Southern Comfort and locked himself in that room.
So she said she was checking in from time to time.
She would lean her ear against the door.
And she said he snored like a Mack truck.
So she heard him. And all of a sudden she didn't hear anything and she was really concerned.
So she calls 911. officers get there and they have to break the door down.
And when they break the door down, They find 48-year-old David Castor face down in a pool of his own vomit.
Dead. Oh, so there was an empty bottle of antifreeze on the floor below him.
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I should say antifreeze. I don't know what I'm saying.
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So David, they rushed him to the hospital, but he's dead. apparently died of kidney failure from drinking antivirus.
Wow. And his death was ultimately ruled a suicide based on the information that Stacy gave.
Oh, what a way. So we're going to get into like a little bit of what happens when somebody ingests antifreeze.
Yes, we will. For somebody to use antifreeze as a means of suicide is not very common.
No. Specifically because it is a very slow and painful death.
I was gonna say this, that's an Agonizing death.
Agonizing, because when a person ingests antifreeze, their body starts to metabolize the chemicals which is why it takes a while for the poisoning to take effect.
And all this following information I read on Medical Today. medical today.
So apparently antifreeze poisoning is about three stages.
So in stage one, This occurs 30 minutes to 12 hours after ingesting antifreeze.
The ethylene glycol is will affect the central nervous system and it gives you kind of like similar effects to being drunk.
You might have Loss of coordination, slurred speech, fatigue, dizziness, headache. euphoria i guess all that fun stuff you could get nauseous you could throw up you could also have a seizure and go into a coma If it's real bad.
Stage 2 Cheer. Cheer. Stage cheer. Stage de.
Stage de. happens about 12 to 24 hours after consumption.
This is when your body starts to metabolize those chemicals. and it turns them into toxic acids. which then lowers your blood's pH, and that causes a condition called metabolic acidosis.
And that can occur when the kidneys are unable to get rid of extra acid.
So it's metabolizing in your kidneys. Fun.
When this happens, your kidneys, your brain, your lungs and liver will start to experience different symptoms, which can include shallow breathing, irregular heartbeat, and that's because the acids will lead to a large level of potassium in the blood also known as hyperkalemia, which can lead to cardiac arrest.
Ah, hmm. Also changes in the blood pressure can happen, fatigue, confusion, dehydration.
And again, you can also go into a coma at this point.
And by stage two, aggressive treatment could be very necessary.
Yeah. Stage three happens 24 to 72 hours after ingesting.
And at this point, a buildup of calcium oxalate crystals will potentially lead to the kidneys failing. which is exactly what happened in David's case.
Man. So his kidney scaled. That is a tough...
Death. A very tough death. A long and agonizing death.
A grueling death. And I just, I can't imagine experiencing all of that.
Yeah. Something about David's death while they were walking around this house obviously didn't really seem like cut and dry to investigators who arrived on scene. nope it doesn't to me they were like we don't necessarily walk into a suicide like this every time no So one detective in particular, Dominic Spinelli, was like...
There is something very wrong with this whole scenario.
Yeah. Something is off. would this guy have used antifreeze as a means to go when he literally had a gun under his bed that he used for hunting?
Okay, thank you. I was just going to ask that.
I was like, was there a gun in this house?
Not that I'm saying like, you know, No way to die is a great way to die, but it's like to pick antifreeze over that is whoo. it's just not and a lot of times it doesn't make a lot of sense men aren't poisoners usually I was also thinking that.
It doesn't go along with any of the... Right, the typical things that you would find in a case like this.
And obviously there are times where like it will happen.
Of course. People go against it all the time.
It's not often that they see this. And they're like, there's a gun literally like next to the antifreeze, like a little bit under the bed.
That's confusing. And Janice, David's ex-wife, who had been with him for about 25 years, was like, I don't think he would have killed himself.
Like I just, I don't see that. Yeah. She's just like, I do have some sense.
And especially not this way. So they obviously had to search the house and they did some forensic testing.
And Dominic felt like his gut feeling was proving to be more than just a feeling, because in searching the house, They found a turkey baster in the garbage.
Oh. Stop. Stop. along with David's DNA.
A turkey baster? So inside of the turkey baster and a little bit on the outside was antifreeze and traces of David's DNA.
And I'm kind of picturing the one with like the black top.
So then picture the black top area. That has Stacy's fingerprints on it.
Oh, come on. Come on. But like this is her house.
That's her turkey baster. Yeah, you use it to base the turkey.
That's why her fingerprints are on it. The glass on the bedside table filled with antifreeze also showed Stacy's fingerprints.
I also just looked up the picture and that glass of antifreeze is the most ominous scary thing I've ever seen. glass full of green liquid that you see in your driveway if you have a leak it looks like an alien liquid it's it's so scary it's so freaky with the turkey baster and then the fact that they're i mean again it's her house right so both of these things yeah Of course, they're my house.
I touch these things all the time. Right.
It's the weird thing about the glass is that.
The fingerprints were on the bottom of the glass, almost like she had held it up to somebody's mouth for them to drink.
Oh. Hmm. Oh my god, this is horrific. So the detectives were like, hey...
You think that we should invite Stacy to come talk to us at the station for a minute?
Maybe. And almost immediately, she explained to them why she thought David would have used antifreeze as a means of suicide.
Oh, I'm glad she has a... a logical explanation for this.
She told the detectives that the two of them had been watching 48 Hours recently, that show that we all know and love.
And she said that the show they had watched featured a woman, Lynn Turner, who had killed her husband and then later her boyfriend. by mixing antifreeze into green jello. okay like that's a case that really happened okay lynn even got away with it for some time so far this is not making her look better no to me no not at all i'd be like go on go on like what And she was like, well, that's how he got inspired to do this.
It's like, no, I think that's how you got inspired to do this.
Precisely. Um, you and detective Spinelli found it rather strange that Stacy just offered up that information when.
She herself had also lost two husbands and one of them died By the same means as Lynn Turner's two partners.
Yeah. And he started to wonder... Did Mike Wallace have a heart attack?
Oh boy. Or was there more to this story?
Oh boy. So he asked a couple of questions about Mike while they were down there too.
And Stacey said Mike had a myriad of health issues, and it was really no surprise that he died when he did.
And looking into his medical files, Detective Spinelli found the exact opposite.
Mike's only health issues came at the very end of his life. just about one year before he died.
And he thought, you know... I wonder what would happen if we got permission to exhume Mike's body.
What would we find? Get the fuck out. So...
He also, because the other reason that he wanted to do that was because Mike's body had not been autopsied.
Because they thought that he just died of a heart attack.
Yeah, it was a clear cut. Clear cut. Right.
No foul play. None. So it took about a year to get permission from the county where Mike was buried to get his body exhumed.
It takes a while. And when they did, Detective Spinelli's suspicions were confirmed.
Mike Wallace's kidneys were riddled with antifreeze crystals.
God. Riddled. What? So if he had just had an autopsy, Boom, bang, shaboom.
Boom, wow. Foul play. Wow. What were the odds that somebody's husband... excuse me what were the odds that both of somebody's husbands die this exact there are no odds That's not a thing.
Not even slim to none, just no odds. Just zero.
So not only... did they find antifreeze crystals as proof of poisoning.
But Mike's body also showed traces of rat poison.
So he was doubly poisoned. And the detectives decided to keep that information about the rat poison close to the chest. knowing full well that they would use it against Stacey later on.
And just thinking about how that... like explain some of that bizarre behavior, like the stuff that must have been going on inside of his body.
His body was just slowly shutting down. A nightmare to think about.
Yeah. I mean, literally every single... like symptom that I explained before that I got from medical today.
Medical today. He was experiencing. Yeah.
Like, the fatigue, the, like, drunkenness when you're not drunk.
Nausea, vomiting, like... Feelings of being drunk.
Cardiac arrest. He definitely did have a heart attack, but it wasn't arrest. random heart attack.
But it was not a natural heart attack. It was a rat poison and antifreeze induced heart attack.
That is truly something. So with that, they decided to head out and see Stacy again.
Yeah, you should probably talk to her. Check in, ask a couple questions.
Just, you know... We're just checking in.
We just want to chat. Yeah. And this time they were like, we really we want to talk about David, of course.
Yeah. So during that interview, Stacey did not just lie about how many times she had called the house to check in on David that weekend. that he had supposedly told her to get her kids and get out of there.
She said that she called... every 30 to 45 minutes because she was like you know i was checking in on him like i was really worried cell phone records and home phone records showed that she called one time dude how why why do people lie about this one time You know that they can figure that out.
How do you not know at this point? That's one of the easiest ways they can find shit out.
Lying about phone records is the easiest thing to just be like nope lies.
Come on. Not only that, I could just look at your fucking phone log. not even lying about like i called him like two or three times and it was one time that would even be like stupid because you're like you called once dude She said I called every 30 to 45 seconds.
You might as well. Seriously, at that point.
Come on. You can't back away from that.
That's the biggest lie. Huge. Big lie. Huge.
Biggest lie. Big mistake. Huge. So not only... You think that's a big mistake, Huge?
Not only did she lie about that... She made a very interesting slip up during this.
The scushy-scush. The detectives asked her about the glasses on the bedside table, and they were like, remind us which one you poured the cranberry juice into.
And so she said, Well, I poured the antifree, I mean the cranberry juice, into this glass.
Oh my god! What? What a Freudian slip, sister.
Well, I poured the antifree. I mean, the cranberry juice.
That's not a Freudian slip. That's a Jack the Ripper slip.
That's a murderous slip you have there. Holy shit. shit can you imagine sitting there those detectives and you're just like Oh, yeah.
Okay. Yeah, no. Yeah. Nope. That... That was something.
Nope. I poured the antifreeze. I mean, that's like a parody of a...
That's an SNL skit. That literally is. Holy shit.
So noting that slip up, they were like, write that down.
They were like. Okay, so if you poured the...
I mean, cranberry juice into this glass.
Why are your fingerprints on this other glass with the antifreeze in it?
Because, oof. Wow. So they ask her that, and she starts losing it.
She's like, I know what you're trying to do here.
Like you're trying to pin this on me. Like freaks the fuck out.
It's like your interview is over. If the shoe fits.
And as she's walking out. they have like pictures on the table and she sees a picture of the turkey baster and she's like, what's that?
And Detective Spinelli looked at her and goes, You concluded the interview.
I can't talk to you anymore. The sass. Boom.
Done. The spice. I love it. She's like, that's it.
I'm out of here. You're trying to frame me for murder.
Wow. Little did she know, at that point, they had also tapped her phones and were listening in to every phone conversation that she was having.
Oh man, the sloppiest. Yeah, and they were about to visit her daughter at school because- This is so sad that-
This part of it is really sad. Like, this is really sad.
And I wish that this part didn't have to go down like this, because...
Ashley had just started college that week at Bryant and Stratton Business Institute.
She had hopes of becoming an accountant someday.
So the detectives show up at school on her first week and they pull her out of class as she's literally signing into class.
And she's like, great. And she has no idea what's going on.
And they were like, listen, you need to know something.
Your dad did not die of a heart attack. He was poisoned.
Have a good day at school. Have a great day.
So she's in complete shock and she's She tells the police, no, there's some kind of mistake.
Like, absolutely not. He died of a heart attack.
I... basically saw it happen and didn't realize it because I was a baby.
And it's like, you don't want to believe anything.
No. Obviously, nothing is great about dying, but you don't want to believe somebody poisoned your father.
Of course not. So the police wrap up with her and she calls her mom crying and she's like, they just showed up at my school.
They're telling me that daddy was poisoned.
Like, no, he wasn't like he couldn't have been.
And Stacey had already called Ashley directly after that interview like a couple days before.
And her phones are tapped at this point. her phones are tapped they hear they're hearing all of this and she's saying the police are trying to frame me so now ashley's calling her and being like i You know, they're saying daddy was poisoned.
Like they are trying to frame you like, oh my God, like she's freaking out.
So Stacy's like, you know what? I'm going to come and get you.
That bitch Ashley is like, no, I have to finish my classes.
Oh my goodness. She finished her classes that day.
Wow. Wow. Finished her classes and then Stacy picked her up from school.
Jeez. So when she gets in the car, Stacy looks at her and she's like, you know.
We have both been going through so much, especially today.
It's been such a hard day. Let's go get a few drinks.
You know, let's cope by getting drunk. Which it's like, okay, there's been a lot of sadness revolving alcohol in your family.
Yeah. Don't use that as a coping mechanism, especially with your child, maybe.
Right. Maybe figure out a loving way to cope together.
Why don't we watch our favorite movie and eat some mac and cheese? eat some ooey gooey mac and cheese sounds great and just have a moment together yeah let's paint i'll paint your toenails no let's go get drunk Like, okay, not good.
That doesn't work. And Ashley was like, oh, whoa. okay, because she wasn't even 21 yet.
At this point she's 20. So she was like, my mom is not the kind of mom that would just suggest day drinking.
Yeah. But she also said... What kind of teenager wouldn't think that was awesome?
A parent just gave you permission to drink?
Sweet. So I drank with her. Of course. course you did of course 20 i would have done the exact same thing 100
I sensed that she was like, yes, let's do that.
Right. From the mom's point of view, it's like, no.
No. Bad choice. Irresponsible. From the child's point, you're a child.
You're a child. You're 20 years old. Your mom's like, let's have a couple drinks.
You're probably like, Great. Go off. Let's do that.
So the first drink that Ashley had was one that Stacy poured for her into a tall glass.
And then the rest of the drinks that she had, she drank directly from the bottle.
I think she said that they were drinking Smirnoff watermelon flavor, which sends me back to being iced and gives me PTSD.
That makes my stomach hurt. Have you ever been iced?
No. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah, yeah. I haven't been personally, but yeah.
Horrific experience. So after a while, she said that she was starting to feel nauseous and Stacey said, you know, go lay down. take this pill, you'll sleep it off.
So she gives her a pill. I'm assuming it was Ambien.
I'm still like, this is the worst parenting I've ever seen in my life on planet Earth.
So Ashley takes the pill and she dozes off to sleep and she wakes up the next day. feeling like absolute dog shit.
She's like... i was like this is what a hangover is like oh my it's one of the it's the i'm never drinking again kind of hangover absolutely so she's like who bad bitch goes to school Man, that's dedication.
She's incredibly responsible. So incredibly responsible.
That's wild. She goes to school, she finishes her classes.
I think she must have had morning classes that day because she got home like before noon.
And Stacey was there waiting for her and she was like, you know what?
Last night was fun. Let's do that again.
Oh no. And Ashley's like, isn't it like a little early to start drinking again?
And she was like, oh my gosh, no. By the time we get everything, like whatever we need to get done and start, it's going to be noon.
It will be fine. Yeah, absolutely. And she was like, my mom was going through a lot of stress.
She was going through a lot of stress and this is her mom.
Like she trusts her mom. So what's the big deal?
Yeah. This is by no means like the child's fault.
No. No. So Stacey runs to the liquor store and she comes back with some vodka, telling Ashley...
I'm going to mix up some screwdrivers. Have you ever had a screwdriver?
And Ashley's like, no, I haven't. She's like, OK, I'm going to mix these up.
You run down to the laundry and just excuse me, run down to the basement and switch the laundry.
And Ashley's like, cool, sounds good. Like, make me my drink.
I'll help you out, too. So Ashley comes back upstairs, and the drinks are mixed.
And her mom hands her. a glass with the vodka and orange juice mixture.
But as Ashley looks down at the glass, she sees these little floating specs in her drink.
And she's like, ew, mom, like there's shit in my glass.
And she's like, oh, no, no, no. That's just the spice I mixed in.
Oh yeah, the screwdriver spice. Have you?
Okay. I was like, do people put spice in a screwdriver?
I'm not a big drinker and I never really have been.
I've had screwdrivers in my life. Same. I have never...
Ever heard of spice being put in a screwdriver?
I don't even know what spice you would put in there.
But I don't think that is a thing. Yeah, I don't know.
I mean, tweet me if you put spice in your screwdriver.
I'm interested to know. I don't even know what would go with that. it's orange juice and like it's a like nutmeg i feel like that'd be gross that would be weird like cinnamon I feel like no nothing works right that's how I feel Because in my head, I was like, okay, so what goes with orange?
But I think she was playing off of, have you ever had a screwdriver before?
No, I've never had one. Oh, this is how you make it.
This is the spice. You just don't know. You're 20.
You've never had one. You just told me you haven't had one.
Exactly. This is how you make it. exactly easy to how this is getting more and more horrific as it goes because I'm just like this is your child this is your whole ass baby this is your whole ass this is your first born child who you said was like your entire world yeah this is like really really horrific yeah so she is like okay i guess there's spice in a screwdriver ashley takes a sip and she's like she's like this is disgusting like i don't want to drink this and her mom was like ash it's a screwdriver and she puts a straw in the glass and she says,
Put this straw to the back of your throat and you won't taste it.
You won't taste the screwdriver and we can still have fun.
This is horrible. She's like, this is a party trick I learned when I was younger.
Are you kidding me, Stacy? No, she's not kidding you.
Holy shit. So Ashley does as she's told.
She's like, okay, like, my mom's teaching me party tricks on drinking.
Like, cool. Cool. I would have thought the same thing.
We're going with it. We're going through a lot right now.
She's vibing, I guess. Yeah. So Ashley sucks the drink down.
But this day was much different than the day before.
She had one drink and started to feel exactly how she felt the day before after, like, three or four to five drinks.
Yeah. So she's like, I have to go lay down. but this time a lot longer than the day before.
So that night her boyfriend kept calling her phone, her cell phone, and he thought that he had left his wallet in her room, but she wasn't answering.
So he drives over to the house and he parks outside and he calls one last time.
Gonna be like, hey, like I'm outside. Is my wallet there?
Yeah. And this time, Stacy answers Ashley's cell phone.
And she says, Ashley's sleeping. Want to call me back on the home phone?
Which is hilarious. Because that is tapped and Ashley's cell phone is not.
That's amazing. It's just like a great... What a great twist of fate.
Really. Really. So he's like, okay. So he calls the house and he's like, hey, I think my wallet is inside Ashley's room.
Would you mind checking for me? Because she said Ashley was asleep.
So she's like, yeah, sure. Hang on a sec.
And then she comes back to the phone a minute later and she's like, I just checked.
It's not there. And he was like, okay, thanks.
But he later was like, No light ever went on in Ashley's room.
I was looking right up at the room. I was standing right outside.
I was standing right there. And I could hear that she had people over.
She had people over this night. So she has, what I assume, poisoned her child.
Probably. and had people over while her child lay dying in her room.
Yes. What a fucking demon. Demon. Holy shit.
Yup. Whoa. Yeah. Okay. And it was not like crazy for her to have people over.
I mean, in this situation is absolutely fucking crazy.
It was not unlike her to have people over because after David died, Stacy had people in and out of that house all the time.
The neighbors not only remembered that, but they said pretty soon after David was gone, Stacey was doing all kinds of projects outside the house, inside the house.
She was changing the entire look of the place and technically she had the right to because David had left everything in his will to her.
Yeah, normally that wouldn't be like so weird if none of this other stuff was happening.
Well, and it wouldn't be so weird that he left everything in his will to her if he didn't have a grown up son and grandchildren.
Oh, I forgot he had a grown son. He has a grown son and two grandchildren.
And some people were like... no, he would have left like at least something to his child.
I totally forgot he had a grown son. Thank you for reminding me.
So they were like, what is going on? Yeah, that doesn't make sense. has a full-blown boyfriend at this point who's the same guy that she was seeing while she was still married to David. cool and people were like he was in and out of that house all the time So now this is the point in the story where we rewind all the way to the beginning.
The morning of September 14th, when Bree finds her sister barely conscious in her room and rushes to the hospital.
So Ashley wakes up, she's told that she took a bunch of pills, she drank a whole bunch of vodka, she left a suicide note and she's like, No, no, no, no, no.
Something about this situation is totally off.
And the detectives look at the note that she wrote. that Ashley wrote.
And the hair on the back of their neck stands up because at four different points in this letter, The word antifree is used.
Not antifrees. In case you don't remember, during her interview, Stacey referred to the word as antifree.
In their minds, they thought she was just stopping short, realizing she had made a mistake.
Holy shit. She thought it was called anti-free.
Anti-free. Wow. Wow. Yup. Yup. And they have this written in their notes.
They wrote down literally like antifree.
Wow. Wow. So at this point, still in the hospital.
Stacey Castor is arrested on suspicion of murder for David Wallace and the attempted murder of her husband. first born child and daughter, Ashley Wallace.
Who she was going to pin. everything on after murdering her she was trying to say that a 12 year old girl poisoned her own father and then a 17 or 18 year old girl murdered her stepfather In the same manner.
And then killed herself with antifreeze.
With antifreeze. No, no. So there wasn't antifree in Ashley's.
She had dosed everything with pills. Oh, it was pills.
And that's what the white specs were. That's what the specs were in her glass.
She had put a bunch of pills because remember in the beginning, She had said she took a bunch of pills and she I believe it was Ambien.
She said it was all in her system. Everything was in her system.
Wow. Yup. That is shocking. So, yeah, she gets arrested and throughout the lead up to her trial, And even during and after, she maintained that she was innocent and it was Ashley who must have committed these murders.
She had left the note. It was her. Oh my god, what an evil son of a bitch.
Police investigated that note. and found out that Stacy's prints were the only fingerprints on the note.
Of course they were. And it had been written on the computer three different times.
There were two rough drafts. And then a final version, all written at times when Ashley was verified at school, had signed in to classes.
Her own mother. She's sitting in class and her own mother is writing a suicide note knowing she's going to murder her.
And frame her for murder. For double murder.
A 750 page. Excuse me. Word page. suicide note framing her child for murder and just saying like i did it for you mommy Wow.
Yeah, I'm gonna link a book that I read in the show notes.
It's called Mommy Deadliest, and it was written by Michael Benson.
And you can read basically the entire. note note wow and it is so chilling And there's no punctuation in the entire note.
Oh, so it's just like. It's like hard to read.
And a lot of things are spelled wrong, including antifreeze.
Yes. But even after the police investigated, found out that her prints are all over it. realize that she's written this while Ashley is at school, there were still people who believed Stacey.
They could not believe that this woman had gone through so much.
And one of those people was her mother, Judy.
Judy said they were blaming Stacey for this.
I kind of went hysterical. I cannot believe Stacey has it in her to kill two men. especially men she's supposed to love.
I do not believe Stacey did it. She would not frame Ashley.
What? So Judy believed that her granddaughter had killed her father when she was 12 years old. and then killed her stepfather too.
And she said to support this, Ashley had always been jealous of the relationship that her father had with Bree.
And she knew that she wasn't the favorite.
So she had all this built up resentment and jealousy over the years.
And she also said Bree and Ashley hated David.
He didn't like them. They had like a super tumultuous relationship.
They'd fight all the time. That does not mean that she killed them with antifree.
No. No. Or antifreeze. Or antifreeze. Judy was not the only person who believed that Ashley was guilty of it.
There were like people in the neighborhood who said, she had a dark side to her personality and she even had a temper.
Oh, she had a temper. Oh, well, lock her up.
I don't really know how they looked past all the physical evidence.
Yeah, come on. And the fact that that note was literally written when she was verified at school.
Written, verified at school. Fingerprints are all over it.
Her ex-husband's, or excuse me, like old husband it wasn't even her ex-husband his body was exhumed and showed traces of rat poison and antifreeze crystals Like, come on.
Unreal. This woman. Basically, that, to me, it is so damning that she said anti-free.
So damning. And then wrote it in the note.
That is so damning. Four different times.
That is a... That is a very clear pattern of speech that she has, that she thought that's how you said it.
That's linguistics, baby. It is. So Stacey Castor was indicted on, nope, not June at all, December.
I don't know how I just looked at the word December and said June.
That's on some June. Nope. December 20th, 2007.
She faced three charges. One count of second degree murder. one count of second degree attempted murder. and a plot to present a forged will.
Yes. It turned out that David's son, David Jr., had actually sued her in the past, knowing full well that there was no way his father would have left every last thing to Stacey.
Uh, Stacy had done like things that, that his father never would have done.
She sold the business, which was a family business for like since its creation for $200,000.
Oh my God. Yeah. Yeah. she was changing the house completely.
This stuff should tell you that something was going awry.
Absolutely. But two of Stacy's friends had come forward and said that they were witnesses to the change of the will.
And they said they saw both David and Stacey sign it the day after they got married.
Oh. The new will. Yeah. Both parties signed affidavits in the original suit.
But then when they realized what could happen, what charges could be brought against them, had they lied on an affidavit? they withdrew their statements.
Oh, yeah. You didn't know how that worked?
Yeah. You can't lie? Yup. So Lynn Polaski, I believe is how you say it, and her husband, Paul, Yeah.
Lynn said... I figured that if I could help if I could help make things go smoother for her, then why not?
I never in my wildest imagination thought it would turn out to be what it was.
Wow. And because they cooperated with the rest of the investigation they didn't face any charges.
But they lied on an affidavit. Good. Yeah.
Good. And you just want to be like... Do you have an explanation for that?
Like why you lied? Why did you change your story?
I just thought I would make things go smoother for her.
Yeah, I just wanted to make it smooth. Cool, cool, cool.
So during the trial, which took place in January of 2009, Ashley testified against her mother. recalling the whole lead up of events to her near-death experience.
She looked right at Stacey and told her, I never knew what hate was until now.
As horrible as it makes me feel, this is goodbye, mom.
As hard as you tried, I survived. Oh, that just gave me full chills.
I know. I actually have like actual goosebumps right now.
And just that first part being, like, as hard as this is to say goodbye.
And... As hard as you tried to kill me.
I survived, like, to your mother? Like, that's what that means.
As hard as you tried to kill me, I survived.
Because it's like I would never question something my mom handed me to drink and it's like, And of course she wasn't.
Of course. And it's like, you just think, holy shit, to think that she betrayed her trust that way and... literally tried to kill her yeah and then like had people over while her while she knew her child was dying yeah Or hoped she was.
And not only tried to kill her daughter, but tried to kill her daughter and make it seem like her daughter was a murderer.
She was a murderer. A double murderer. Yeah, exactly.
Like completely tarnish her life forever.
Wow. So the prosecutors were able to use the evidence, not only like all the evidence against her with the note and the computer and everything, but they also were able to bring in the evidence that they found during the exhumation of Mike Wallace's body.
Oh, I was waiting for that. They also had the evidence of that turkey baster with her fingerprints all over it.
Yeah, they do. And David's DNA inside of the turkey baster alongside antifreeze.
Yeah, which, hello. Hi. So they painted a picture for the jury telling them that Stacey Castor had most likely used that turkey baster. to pour more antifreeze down her already dying husband's throat.
They explained that Stacy's fingerprints found on the bottom of the glass, which had antifreeze inside, That reasoning for them being on the bottom of the glass was because she probably held it up to her husband's mouth.
Pouring even more antifreeze down his throat.
Oh my God. Yep. This is so vicious. And then they presented the computer evidence. it showed that the suicide notes had been written two days before Stacy drugged and killed her daughter.
Wow. So she knew she was going to do this for a while.
Yeah. So clearly, the first set of drinks that they had were also spiked with drugs.
Of course. It just wasn't enough. She felt like shit.
So the next time she must have put a crazy amount in there.
And it just to me seems like that. That whole like, have you ever had a screwdriver?
No. She was like, well, I can really fuck with this one because she's never had it before.
She doesn't know if it's like shitty or not right and this is something that like of course i'm gonna have to make in a glass and hand to her why would you question that yeah i gotta mix it right Like, she'll question me pouring a Smirnoff ice into a glass, but she won't. but i'm making a drink it's a mixed drink and it's got color in it so it's going to hide that any powder residue.
And then if she does see the fucking residue, I can tell her I spiced it. not spiked it oh my god so the jury they deliberated for four days actually And when they came back, they found Stacey Castor guilty on all charges.
Yeah. She was sentenced to 54 years in prison. and the judge Joseph Fahey told her, quote, In my 34 years in the criminal justice system as a lawyer and a judge, I've seen serial killers, contract killers, killers of every variety and stripe.
But I have to say, Mrs. Castor, you are in a class all by yourself.
Yes. So that is a perfect way. to describe it because she's not even you couldn't even call her a black widow No, she tried to murder her own child and then blame the black widowness on her child.
Right. Yeah, so the judge was like, you are, you're in another galaxy.
You are truly something, ma'am. And with that, she was sent to Bedford Hills Coronal Facility for Women. and New York to serve her time.
Bye. But that's not the end of the story.
If you tell me that she's out walking around right now, I will leave this room.
Okay, I promise I won't tell you that. Okay.
So during Stacey's trial, word started to spread about another man in her life who had passed away somewhat unexpectedly.
Her father, Jerry Daniels. So in February of 2002, he was in the hospital being treated for like a lung related issue.
Oh, boy. So his family, who was there to hear the news, including Stacy, were so happy to hear that he was going to be okay.
Of course. So Stacy came back the next day to pick her dad up, and while they were waiting to be discharged, she brought him in a soda. there that day remembered that that can of soda was already open when she handed it to her dad stop it Jerry Daniels, who by all means was pretty much recovered, died the next day.
I cannot. Yeah and his death was attributed to natural causes.
Sounds legit. Yeah. And Stacy was the executor of his will, of course.
Wow. So she quickly arranged for him to be cremated and also inherited all of his money.
Hmm. Casual. Look at that and the cremation.
Yeah, cremation, but He was buried on the same plot that Stacey had Michael Wallace and David Castor buried.
What? So they are literally like all in the same area.
Is she doing like a potential murder garden, actually?
Her brother-in-law literally called it, quote-unquote, Stacy's monument to murder.
That's what it is. That's wild. Very much what it is.
He said... You've got Mike on the far right, David on the far left.
And I said, what's she doing? Starting a collection up there?
Oh, that's awful. So the good thing is that David Castor's son, David Jr., He was actually able to move his father's remains from that plot in 2016.
Oh, good. And he had Stacy's name taken off the grave mark. good so it doesn't say like loving life can you imagine having to see that no and especially knowing what he knows yeah So the DA was looking into the death of Jerry Daniels, but because he's cremated, like there's really no way of finding out What happened?
That took care of that. Right. And Stacey was never convicted of Michael Wallace's murder because... on June 11, 2016, at 48 years old, she died in prison.
Oh... died ironically of a heart attack.
Stop it. Like... somewhat poetic justice i was just gonna say that's a little poetic it's a little poetic wow that's young too Yeah, 48.
And it's the same age that David was when he died.
Oh, wow. I didn't even think of that. Yep.
Mike was 38. David was 48. Wow. and she never talked to her daughters ever again.
After Ashley testified against her, she never saw her mother again, and neither did Bree. oh those poor girls yeah ashley basically like looking back on it said i hate my mother for ruining so many people's lives what gave her the right to play god with i never knew what hate was until now and even though i do hate her i still love her at the same time She was my best friend, too.
She was. And then she took all of that away.
I would have done anything for her, but she decided she wanted to kill me. instead oh just say that about your mom like yeah she wanted to kill me I would have done anything for her, but she wanted to kill me.
To try to reconcile that is beyond. No. Beyond imagination.
So sad. Man. So that is the story of Stacey Castor.
The quote-unquote black widow, but I feel like that does not even...
No. Do anything. It really doesn't. And, you know, I just feel so bad for all the kids involved and all the family members.
Like, all these men... had kids outside of her too and families really sad and just like i can't imagine i mean ashley and brie lost their mom in every respect of the word.
The betrayal? Like, lost her from betrayal, lost her because she died, lost her because she tried to kill Ashley.
Ugh, I can't. It's unreal. It really is.
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And we hope that you keep listening. And we hope you keep it. weird but not somewhere that you kill both of your husbands and potentially your father and then you kill your daughter or excuse me try to kill your daughter and then you pin everything on her but guess what she survived she will always survive because you can't kill your daughter that's absolutely terrible and you're gonna die in prison so don't keep it that weird bye bye Thank you.
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