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And I'm Elena. And this is Morbem. Not in the pod lab.
Nope, we're in Elena's room. Whoa. Whoa.
It's purple. It is purple. It's very comfy in here.
It's a nice dark purple. Yeah. A deep dark purple.
Me and Annie are painting our room, and I think that I want to do, like, everything white with one accent wall, but then your room makes me feel like...
Do I want it to be like darker and homier?
That's why I like it because it's like moody.
Yeah, you're a moody bitch. I'm a moody bitch, so this works out really well.
But this isn't a decorating podcast. It's not.
What are we talking about this week? Death, crime...
Yes. But you know what? This one is kind of good because it has a happy ending.
Hey! So, I mean, there's some shit along the way.
Spoiler alert! For sure. But we're going to be doing one where some badass lady... somehow against all odds in a situation that none of us could even fathom being in somehow pulled her shit together and survived. yeah this case is bananas like badass woman alert we are doing the case of mary vincent and she She is a baller.
She really is. And we're going to focus mostly on Mary.
We are going to talk about her attacker because he did some other shit too that affects her. as well but we're gonna focus it mostly on mary yeah because she's a band because she's where it's at so um yeah so we have lot of new Patreons today and it's kind of exciting because today while we record is a I don't know what they call it.
National Thank Your Patrons Day. Exactly, that.
Or your patrons. Hashtag thank you patrons.
Thank you to all my patrons. Seriously, our Patronuses are the best in the world.
We have the best weirdos. We have the best evil onions.
The best window latching witch coven. Yep.
The best jagged little bitches. We have the best of the best.
We really do. You really are. We can't even begin to tell you how much we appreciate you.
It's still astounding to us every time we get a new Patronus, Patron, Patronian.
Patreon, Patreon, all of that. So we just hope that we're making you guys feel like you're... insanely generous donations are worth it.
And we're going to keep providing you... I mean, our aim is to give as much... content as possible so we're going to try to get as much content as possible to you and in the next few months we're going to try to get you know ramp it up a bit So and we're going to be giving some goodies.
We're going to be setting up a Q&A soon.
We're just trying to figure out exactly how to do that. and make sure you guys can actually come to it and like actually participate so That'll be coming soon.
You're gonna have a lot of goodies coming your way.
And... Yeah. Can I just say that for anybody that follows us on the Instagram and saw what Elena posted? um recently of like the edmund kemper drawing i'm hovering over the couch and um the night stalker she fucking drew them Like shout out to my sea star.
Thanks. I can't believe you drew that. I mean, I believe it because like you're talented, but like everyone should know that it's like.
I feel like that will make it more special when people buy it.
Oh, thank you. Yeah, I wanted to do, we wanted to have some designs that were by our own hands as well. yeah we have another one that is gonna feature both of our artistic touches yeah yeah that It's going to be a take.
We're going to have a couple designs for Fresh Airs for Dead People.
Yeah, but we got a great one. Because Vasco Vaz is currently working on... an amazing one but we figure we want to give a lot of options for different phrases that everybody wanted to see on t-shirts and stickers and whatnot so the one that we're going to be doing is totally different from Vasco's so it'll be a lot of options for everybody But without further ado, we would like to thank our patrons.
We had a lot of new Patreons this week. And we're a little...
You know, we got a little behind on episodes when Ash decided to get pneumonia.
Sorry about it. I'm feeling a lot better.
Thanks for asking. Yeah. She's fine. So without further ado.
Thank you to our weirdos. And today we have one weirdo.
She's the best weirdo, except all of you are the best weirdos.
So thank you to Stephanie Marks. Stephanie Marks.
You hit the mark. You're such a weirdo. You are such a weirdo.
Thank you so much, Stephanie. We appreciate you.
We also have the window latching come in and we have quite a few actually in the window latching come in.
Yeah, yeah. We have Jessica Jones. Jessica Jones.
You have an alliterative name and I appreciate that.
And there's actually like a comic. Jessica Jones, I think.
Like a comic book character. I went to middle school with a girl named Jessica Jones.
I like it. Our next one... is Alicia Campos.
Thank you so much, Alicia. And I really like how you spell your name.
I know, I like that too. Next is, I'm really sorry if I messed your last name up, but your first name is Dorian Desjardins LeClercq.
I think it's to Hardin's. Okay. Well, I'm sorry, Dorian, and I really appreciate your donation.
Thank you, Dorian, and I also love your name. name too yeah that's an awesome name dorian is a great name um next is karen cervantes thanks karen sorry if i messed up your last name too Thank you so much.
Next up is Sarah Hay. Sarah Hay. Hey, Sarah.
Thanks. Is it Hay or Hague? I don't know.
She'll let us know. Either way, then it's Sarah Hay or Sarah Hague.
I think it should be Sarah Hay. Sarah Hay. take that out.
Next up is Megan Riley. Thanks, Megan. That's a really pretty name.
It flows well together. I was just going to say, it feels good in my face.
Wow. That's one way to put it. It just feels good.
Well, thank you Megan. Nexus. kayla for for latte for latte we love a good latte i love lattes thanks kayla and i love kayla I love Kayla and I love lattes and I love Kayla for latte.
I love it all. Next up is the Jagged Little Bitches and we have Tina Nicole.
Tina Nicole. You're the best. Yeah, and Tina, my middle name is Nicole, so we're the best.
Ashley Nicole and Tina Nicole. Bitches. Jagged little bitches.
Jagged little bitches. Next up is Anya Darkstar.
And if that's your real ass last name, then holy shit, you're cool as fuck.
I don't think it is, but either way, that's rad.
Either way, you're cool as fuck. And also Anya is just a great name.
Thank you for being a Patron. Thank you, Anya.
We also have a custom Donate All this week, and that is... robin michael hall so thank you robin robin michael hall you are everything In the world.
I would pick you all up. Every single one of you Patreons if you were hitchhiking on the side of the road in the 70s.
I wouldn't, but... I would do it. Well, if you had a sign that said, I'm your patronus.
I'd be driving the bus in the 70s anyways.
I would be a hitchhiker. Oh, for sure. No, you would be a hitchhiker.
Yeah, I'd be with them. Yeah, you would definitely be there holding a sign that's like...
Take me anywhere, man. Yeah. And I'd be wearing like a flower.
Take me to a good time, man. Take me to a good time now, man.
I know. You're doing that now. I'm actually hitchhiking.
You're just standing outside waiting for your Uber with a thing. sign that says take me to a good time man and they're like we have the address of where you want to go you don't need to do that and you're like just look at my sign So yeah, Patronuses, Patrons, Patrons, you guys are literally everything.
And we love you and we will never, ever deserve you.
But we're going to try our damnedest. Yeah, we are.
Sorry, I just had a memory. Me and Annie had a party the other night and not that I expected anybody to steal anything at all but I put my wallet up on a shelf because I don't know I just did.
And Annie's mom just texted me and goes, have you been looking for your wallet?
And I haven't. But you're like, oh. i'm a broke bitch and there's no money in it anyways you're like why do i need that i just remembered and she's probably like why is your wallet in like the top shelf where we keep the tv in the kitchen oh lord To be young.
So yeah. Well, besides Ash throwing parties, throwing ragers...
There's a little true crime news that I'm sure everybody has heard about by now.
We might have a new... very prolific serial killer on our hands he's caught luckily but this could be insane he could be one of the worst Yeah, I don't know much about this, so fill me in.
So this guy's name is Samuel Little. He doesn't have three names.
But, you know, we'll take it. Basically, he could be one of the deadliest serial killers in history, which is crazy.
He has admitted to Texas Rangers that he played part in more than 90 unsolved murders in 10 states.
Whoa. So he is 78 years old now, and he's serving three life sentences in California for killing three women.
So he's already away forever. That's insane.
And they said that so far they're able to match over 30 cases to him so far.
Yeah. And that's like all that they like.
That's just 30 so far. And they said they have no false information coming from him.
It's all. been up to snuff so far. How did they get him?
I don't know exactly how he got arrested for the three women, but he obviously got caught for other murders.
Shit. And like I said, this would make him one of the most prolific serial killers in U.S. history.
Ted Bundy confessed to 30. John Wayne Gacy killed at least 33 boys, but I think the Green River Killer had 49 that he was convicted of.
He confessed to 71. So this guy would pass him, which is insane.
Damn. So he has 30 and how many more? They've at least been able to connect 30 to him, but he's confessed to 90.
And he's giving information to police about these 90.
How the fuck do you kill 90 people? I'm saying.
I guess he started way back in the 70s. The 70s were a wild time.
Yeah, they really were. He's linked to possible deaths in Florida.
Georgia, Kentucky, Louisiana, Mississippi, Missouri, Ohio, and Texas.
Yeah. So this is kind of an ongoing thing.
So it's going to be kind of one of those things that more shit is going to leak out as we go.
But it's... Crazy. So we'll definitely be on the lookout for that one.
And I think the only other thing that's been happening lately is that Chris Watts shit. the guy who killed his wife and his children and then blamed it on his wife because she's dead and can't defend herself he's male version of a cunt yeah exactly and now his mother is coming out and saying that the wife killed the kids like my baby couldn't have killed his whole family and it's like that's exactly why your fucking asshole son is the way he is yeah because his whole life his mother probably bailed him out of all his shit everything It's like, nope, you need to look in the mirror and know that your son is a fucking monster who annihilated his entire family and his pregnant wife because he had a mistress.
And how do you say that about somebody that's dead?
Like, oh no, they killed all the kids. It's like, you know, it just makes me crazy.
That case makes me nuts. but yeah so that's I think that's all the stuff we have to catch up on the case that we're talking about this week is like one of my favorites it is it's such a good one I heard this case when I first started listening to My Favorite Murder and I was in my car driving to work on the edge of my seat. oh yeah it's insane like there's um i'm sure you guys have all heard of the show i survived it's so good It's so binge-worthy.
But it's stress. It's very heavy. There's a lot of heavy shit in that show.
And I can't watch it, like, live. Yeah, it's hard.
I have to record it. Me too. because I need to take a break.
And I have to fast forward through the commercials.
Oh yeah, for sure. They keep you on such a...
Oh, my God. Yeah. Because, you know, you're like, I know they're going to survive, but I need to know how.
And this one in particular, at this moment, I still cannot understand. how she got out of this situation oh and i mentioned i mentioned i survived because there was an episode about mariette vincent oh yeah go check it out because it's a really good episode Listen to this first, though.
Keep listening. Please. So let's dive in.
September 29th, 1978. Again, the 70s, man.
Damn 70s. Mary Vincent was a 15-year-old girl living in Las Vegas.
From all accounts, it seems like she kind of had a troubled home life.
I don't think there was anything... No, excuse me, I shouldn't say I don't think.
There's not a lot known about her home life growing up.
I know she was in a military family. She probably moved a lot.
At 15, she was kind of at odds with her parents.
And from what I read, it seems like she ran away from home.
This day and she was going to be running away to California at 15, which is like so young to me.
It's like I think of me when I was 15 and like I can't even...
Yo, sorry mom, but I was about to run away from home at 15.
There's been plenty of times where I was like, I could run away.
I could run away. 15 is a... And you know what?
15 is a shitty age. Oh, yeah. I don't know anyone who was like, you know what?
15 was a great year for me. I had everything going on.
I had it all figured out. They should have a show that's like 15.
I survived. I survived 15. Because it really is that bad.
It is. Like, 15 for me was shit. Absolute shit.
Yeah, same. So thanks, high school bullies or junior high bullies.
So yeah, so she was living in Las Vegas.
On this day, she was hitchhiking from Berkeley.
Which was her uncle's house in California.
Okay. And she was hitchhiking to her grandfather's, which was somewhere near Los Angeles.
I'm not sure exactly where. I also don't know California that well.
Sorry, California. I was listening to California Love on the way here.
Of course you were. Of course you were.
So... Or is it R.I.P.? Or is he living somewhere?
I don't think so. I wish. I know. I love that conspiracy theory, though.
Actually, shout out to the last podcast on the left just for like a quick little break because me and Annie just listened to their whole coverage of that.
They did a great job. I was like... I couldn't stop listening.
Honestly, I love Last Podcast on the left.
Every case that they have covered, they have covered so well.
They just did I'm just going to plug them like, like they need it, but whatever.
They just did the West Memphis three, which we will cover at some point, but that's going to be a very long podcast. very research heavy case yeah they did it in like three episodes and they did it So well.
Because you feel like you know everything about that case, but they did it and you felt like you learned more.
They have very many details. Yeah, so shout out to them.
So on this day that she was hitchhiking, she was standing on the side of the road with two other hitchhikers.
They didn't know each other. They were just all hitchhiking somewhere.
They all had signs saying where they wanted to go.
Now this is when Lawrence Singleton, Larry, pulled up in a blue van.
Mary described him as looking like a friendly grandfather type.
She was like, he's older, he looks like he could be my grandfather, and he was old enough to be her grandfather.
So she felt immediately, like, comfortable, which is not a good thing.
Also, apparently he was wearing blue overalls in...
Like here's the thing about old dudes and overalls.
Don't trust them. Well, especially you generally get two kinds of old dudes wearing overalls.
Either sweet farmer types who just want to tell you the best way to get the beefiest tomato crops, or hillbilly mutants who think you look like their sister. hillbilly mutants so so no bueno overalls are a no yeah don't get in the car with someone who has overalls like sorry everybody who wears overalls I want a pair of overalls, but don't get in the car with me.
No. Like, just don't do it. Too much room for comfortability.
Yeah, exactly. So Larry was like, I only have room for one of you in here.
Meanwhile, he had a van. Which is low-key alarm, or excuse me, high-key alarming.
Yeah, like that's a red flag. I would be like, sir, you've got a van.
Sir, you have a van. I don't know if you know what you're driving, but it's called a van.
I'm small. I don't need a lot of room. It's for me.
So already... These people with her were like, yeah, maybe you shouldn't go with him.
And she was like, yo, I got to get to my grandfather's.
She was tired. She had been like, you know...
She'd been hitchhiking for days, right? Yeah, and she was just like, I'm over this.
I just want to get to my grandfather's house.
So Larry was a 51-year-old former merchant marine at the time.
He had just been divorced from his second wife and had a teenage daughter that was also 15 at the time.
He told Mary this immediately. He was like, I have a daughter your age.
Who reminds me of you. Okay, chill. And this further cemented his like, nice old, you know, older man.
He's a father, like he has a kid my age.
And that's exactly what he wanted. So he told her he wasn't going to Los Angeles, but would happily take a detour to bring her there.
He offered to drive her to Interstate 5, which is the fastest route south.
And she was so desperate that she was like, yep, I'll just get in.
We'll do this. So she got in the car. Now, she said it was pretty uneventful for the most part in the car until obviously a big event happened, but...
At one point, she lit a cigarette and she sneezed and he immediately reached out to feel her neck and asked if she was sick.
Like he felt her like gland. And she was like, and that fucked her.
She was like, nope, don't touch me. Like, that's weird that you just felt like you could touch my neck.
And she said it made her uncomfortable, like that weirded me out.
But nothing else really happened after that right away.
So she ended up nodding off and falling asleep.
Don't fall asleep if you're hitchhiking.
In the 70s, this was totally acceptable.
Everyone was hitchhiking, which... I think we learned now that that was a bad idea because a lot of these people ended up dead.
But now, definitely don't. here are the rules of hitchhiking one don't two don't fall asleep yeah i'm sure we'll come up with more exactly So she ended up falling asleep.
When she woke up, she noticed that they were not going to LA as promised, but instead were going east toward Modesto.
So immediately she started to panic. She saw that there was a stick or like a like a little yardstick or a surveyor stick.
On the floor of the van. So she grabbed it, held it out and demanded.
She was like, what the fuck? You're supposed to be taking me to Los Angeles.
This makes my stomach hurt. So he was like, oh, my God, I'm so sorry.
And he said, he said, I am an honest man.
And it was an honest mistake. I'm so sorry.
Yeah, right. So he was like, you know what?
I'm going to take you there. I'm really sorry.
I just wasn't paying attention. And she was like, okay, well, fucking take me there.
So he was like, all right, let's pull over quickly so I can relieve myself and then we'll be on our way.
So they pulled over. He gets out of the car and he goes somewhere to piss.
She gets out of the car to stretch her legs, and she said she reached down to tie her shoes, and that's when Larry snuck up behind her and hit her in the head with a hammer.
Dear God. First of all, how did she even survive that?
Exactly. And she immediately went out, like, unconscious.
When she woke up she was completely naked and tied up.
Oh my god I hate this. Right away after waking up, he forced her to perform sexual acts on him.
He also said something really disgusting as he was doing this that I'm not going to repeat because it stresses me out too much.
But he was gross. He was a pig. He shoved himself in her mouth, basically.
Ew. He then raped her and sodomized her.
He then threw her in the back of the van, drove to another secluded area, and repeatedly raped her again.
She recalls at least six to eight times that he raped her, and she said it hurt a lot the entire time.
Oh my god. During this, he also made her drink some weird unknown substance from a plastic jug.
That she assumes is alcohol, but she said it made her pass out.
So it could have been anything. She passed out several times.
And when she woke up at one point, he had thrown her onto the ground on the side of the road and forced her to lay down.
Now she's naked, completely naked and tied up.
She started begging him to set her free because she was like, what's going to happen next?
He said, quote, you want to be set free?
I'll set you free. Then he went to the van, grabbed a hatchet and returned back to her.
He then held her down as she fucking fought and screamed and chopped her right arm off. he then hacked at her left arm until it was severed just below the elbow it took three strokes of the hatchet to sever that arm off He cut both her fucking arms off while she was conscious with it.
The whole thing. fighting the whole time fucking hacked her arms off of her body like what a sick thought That is some shit.
And like, what does that mean? Like, oh, I'll set you free by chopping your arms?
Yeah, he's literally, and you'll hear, he says it again.
So he's having to hold this poor nude woman down.
While she's screaming and crying. And he's hacking her arms.
Like, that is beyond my comprehension. Like, who does that?
Yeah. So she fell onto her back after this, obviously, because he was like holding her up, hacking at her arms.
And she said she caught a glimpse of him like twisting and shaking his arm.
And what was happening was her arm was still attached to his arm and he was trying to fling it off.
Yeah. He then rolled her down a 30 foot embankment. and stuffed her into a cement drainage pipe.
When he left, he said, okay, now you're free.
And this place turned out to be del puerto canyon which i'm not familiar with but i'm sure californians will know um so yeah he leaves and says okay now you're free I'd be like, I'm not though.
So I think to him, he was like, oh, you want to be free?
I'll untie you. and i'll leave you here and you can get out if you want like i think to him he was like you're gonna die but like you're free like good luck what is it like what the fuck is wrong with you dude Blew my mind.
So he immediately, obviously he thinks she's dead.
She's been wailed on the head. She's been repeatedly raped.
And she's had her fucking arms chopped off.
And she's going to bleed out and die. And she's also been rolled down a 30 foot embankment.
Like there's so much here. So he left her alone to die and sped off.
Keep in mind that she fucking survives. Yeah, just keep that in mind.
She comes out of this. She is kicking, breathing, thriving today.
She's a bad bitch. So at this point she was like, okay, I could die here or I could fight and stop.
And in her mind, she said, I can stop him from doing this to someone. else good for that was her thought process was i can't let him do this to someone else How do you have that coherent thought process when somebody just chopped your fucking arms off?
It is like fight or flight. And she chose fucking fight.
So at this moment, she was like, I need to stay awake.
So she forced herself to stay awake because if she allowed herself to pass out, she would just bleed it up.
She would just fall asleep and never wake up.
Now think of all those times you've just been sitting on the couch and you hit that wall of exhaustion all of a sudden and you can barely keep your eyes open.
Now think of that, but your arms have been chopped off.
You've been force fed some kind of weird alcoholic substance and you've been hit in the head with a hammer and raped repeatedly.
How? I don't even know. Like, I never want to say I'm tired.
Mary's like, fuck you. Yeah, literally. So she forced herself to stay awake.
And she said, quote, he threw me off a cliff. i should have broken bones i should have bled to death i didn't and i never passed out i remember everything I wanted to give up and go to sleep.
But I felt someone there with me a presence who wanted me to survive.
A voice told me to get up and get help or someone else would die.
Wow. Girl. I got chills. I can't. She's.
Ugh. Mary. Mary. I just can't even. Mary, Mary, quite contrary.
Oh, you are just, I don't know how you did this, man.
So she ended up losing 50% of her body's blood supply.
How did she not pass the fuck out? Because she's a fucking warrior.
To stop it from getting worse, she packed her arms with mud to cut off the flow of blood.
First of all, I am 33 years old, almost, and I work in the medical field, and I don't think that would immediately be my, like, I need to pack these severed arms with blood.
She was 15 years old. And how did you do that?
With both of your arms cut off. You didn't even have another arm to pack with.
There's just so much about this that I'm like, who are you?
What are you? We don't deserve you, Mary.
No. So she walked herself up the 30-foot cliff she had been rolled down without arms.
Like, think about that for a second. How hard that would be to do with arms, right? walking up a 30-foot cliff.
It took her hours and hours and hours of fighting up this hill with only 50% of her body's blood and a head wound. jesus christ and she said it took all day like a full day to get up that 35 i believe it So she finally reached the, cause she said she could hear the freeway above.
She just wanted to get there. She's like, I just got to get there.
So she finally reaches the freeway and ended up walking for three more miles before seeing a car finally.
It was a convertible with two men in it.
They pulled over like a little bit, but once they saw her, they sped off.
And I mean, she was nude. She was completely battered.
She had no fucking arms. They probably didn't even think it was real.
And was bleeding profusely. That's horror movie shit.
And she says... To this day, she said she can totally understand why they were terrified and spread off.
Like, she was like, I do not hold that against, like...
So she said at the time she was holding up what was left of her arms in the air.
So, quote, the muscles and blood wouldn't fall out.
Wow. So she was holding her fucking like what's left of her arms up in the air.
Now, luckily, a couple who were tourists and had taken a wrong turn, like, what a wrong turn.
Weren't they on their honeymoon? or something I think they were I think they were I've read that a couple of times yeah so they might have been on their honeymoon I think They picked her up and they immediately wrapped her in linens from their car before driving her to a nearby airport and calling 911.
Now, I mean, because it was the 70s, they didn't have a cell phone.
So they had to drive to a phone. All she could say was, quote, he raped me over and over again.
Oh my god. She went by helicopter to the hospital.
And at the hospital... Like she just continues to be like a fucking warrior.
She gets to the hospital and she doesn't sit there and be like, all right, now I'm going to take a break and like. rest of my weary soul right now she was like nope I can describe this motherfucker to an absolute fucking T let me give you it wow So she described him so perfectly that the composite sketch of him was like a photo, they said.
We'll post it. Yeah, it was immediately released to the media and Larry's own neighbor, who was his friend. like was a friend of his, saw it and was like, whoa, that Larry.
And they called and told the police. I know who that is.
And it was their friend. That's how clear it was that they were like that's fucking Larry.
That's insane. Mary also picked his picture out of six others before the grand jury at one point.
Wow. So in 1979, he went. So they picked him up.
There's not a lot of like how they found him or, you know, like she she knew who he was.
She picked him. Look at this motherfucker.
That's a dude. He dead now. His nose looks like a penis.
Yeah, his nose is a lot. So in 1979, he went to court and Mary testified against him.
After all she went to at 15 years old. That is insane.
Badass. Mary stood up in front of the court, pointed one of her hooked prosthetic arms at him, And she was like, that's fucking him.
And she will, to this day, she will only refer to him as, quote, my attacker.
She won't refer to him as... And he doesn't fucking deserve a name.
No, he doesn't. So Larry said he was drunk that night and described Mary as, quote, a $10 whore. what the fuck yeah he also claimed that the two other hitchhikers were in the van as well including another larry So he said if anything happened to Mary in his van, and the blood and other physical evidence presented at trial... proved that it did, then he said the crimes must have been committed by, quote, the other Larry.
Yeah, so he insisted I'm being framed. Later, when he became a little more forthcoming, he mentioned that he had cut off her hands because he wanted to remove the ID.
Yeah, dental records are a thing, you fucking $10 dumbass.
But, uh... After testifying, Mary quickly left the courtroom and she did this because Larry made a very quiet comment to her and she just rushed out of the courtroom later he admitted what he said to her He told her, quote, I'll finish this job if it takes me the rest of my life.
Like, are you kidding? Like, can you fucking imagine that?
No. After all you've gone through, this dude's like, I'm going to finish this.
Like, fuck. I'd be like I'll finish you sir she was obviously fucking terrified um afterwards her parents came to get her but in But she said they were kind of like they couldn't really help.
Like they didn't have the relationship that they needed to help her.
Yeah. She ran away in the first place. Yeah, and she said, quote, they couldn't handle it.
They took it harder than me. I'm telling them I need you, but they couldn't do it.
They were more interested in what they felt about what happened to me than what I felt.
So Larry ended up being convicted of A whopping number of charges, attempted murder, kidnapping, rape, sodomy, oral copulation, aggravated mayhem and the use of an axe to cause great bodily harm.
Like, I'll leave. Like, are you kidding me right now?
Well, it gets worse. All those charges and you get 14 years.
Like, what the fuck? All those, like, terrifying charges.
You chopped somebody's arms off. Fucking attempted murder.
Like, it's insane. He thought she was dead.
He left there thinking she was dead. She was going to die.
Well, it gets worse. He only served eight years out of that because he got off on good behavior.
Okay, good behavior. You fucking chopped somebody's arms off.
Exactly. It's like I don't give a shit. If you always keep your cell clean and always say please and thank you to the prison guards, I don't give a shit.
You raped somebody repeatedly and tried to chop their arm and try and chop their arms and then said it was the other lawrence yeah freaking poor other larry that probably doesn't exist um Well, it gets even worse.
When he got out, he immediately tried to sue Mary.
For what? So while in jail, he said, and this is where it gets funny, he said he considered the alleged events.
And he was like, nope, I didn't do that.
Oh, my God. He said he remembers Mary threatening to accuse him of rape and that she had brandished a stick at him.
He said that's why he became violent. So he filed a complaint suing Mary for, quote, forcible kidnap for the purposes of robbery.
Are you kidding me? Luckily, the courts dismissed it.
They were like, yeah. They were like, you're a fucking asshole.
So after he got out of jail, after eight years, eight years later.
Like goodbye. Like she's barely even beginning to cope with this at this point.
So while she said... she was afraid to stay in one place for too long she went through a series of bodyguards and she ended up living in a deserted gas station at one point holy shit Yeah, like she really like went down a bad path.
She said she was depressed. She had crazy anxiety.
Of course she did. Her relationship suffered.
I mean, with family, friends, like romantic relationships, like it was a really dark time.
She eventually had two sons of her own, and in her words, quote, when I became a mother, I really had something big to live for.
And she says there, like, what got her. That's amazing.
I love it. I mean, his release was controversial, obviously, to Mary, but it was controversial to everyone. because it was like any nobody wanted him to live anywhere yeah it well it was bonkers because i mean that's eight years every and his own daughter didn't want him loose wow So his own daughter said that he had attacked and abused her and her mother.
And in fact, her mother once told her that she was surprised that she had been born without complications because Larry had beat her mother while she was pregnant with her.
Oh, my God. Yeah. So when she found out that he was getting out of jail, she also fled and hid like... that's what i would do mary did she asked law enforcement if there was any way they could keep him behind bars Like, what the fuck, Florida?
Yeah. And she recently... Well, this wasn't in Florida.
Oh, I thought it was. No, this was in California.
Oh. I think he ended up in Florida. He goes to Florida.
Yeah, we're going to get to that. what the fuck California so his daughter who I won't name because I don't know if she wants her name out there She recently spoke to a woman who runs the site familyarrested.com, which helps family members of like, shitty people who have done awful things cope with their own like victimhood yeah i'm sure Because it's such a unique experience to be like the daughter of a fucking monster or the sister or the spouse or the mother, you know.
So she had this to say to this woman about her father.
It's a big long quote. Six years into my father's sentence, I knew he was getting out early as an, quote, ideal inmate.
So in 1984, when I was 21, three years prior to his proposed parole, I called the California prison where he was staying, and it was St.
Louis Obispo's California Colony for Men.
I told whoever I talked to I wasn't sophisticated enough then to take names or notes. that I was afraid my father remained a threat to my safety and was in general still dangerous.
When I was 21, I quickly made several changes to my life.
I graduated from college with my first degree.
I changed my last name legally. I moved from Nevada to California, then moved back to Nevada to marry my college boyfriend.
When I left Reno, I told anyone who my father might possibly contact to try to find me to tell him I quote flaked out or something. got married to someone they didn't know and left town.
I gave them a P.O. box so we could stay in touch.
I realize how naive this sounds today as I write this, but I was concerned he might hurt or harass them.
When I was about 20 years old with the assistance of a PhD psychology intern, I had written a letter to my father telling him I was terminating our relationship.
I asked California prison personnel what could be done to keep him in longer, and I was told there was nothing.
They suggested I obtain a restraining order at the time of his release.
"'Sorry, but I mean this quite sarcastically.
"'I tell you he is a danger. I said that before the first crime.'
I've changed my name multiple times and am moving across state lines, and you all suggest a piece of paper that will tell him exactly where I am, what my name is, and not... and not to come within, say, 300 feet of me.
The neighbor woman who I had moved in with and lived with from about age 15 and a half until I was 18... had discouraged me both from terminating the relationship and from considering changing my name.
She told me it was my quote, responsibility to, I don't know, not hide.
I then and now wonder if she was not motivated by fear of my father.
That's insane. That's his own daughter. I've said that so many times.
It is. It's so insane. And it's like, that's his fucking daughter.
She was probably, like, so afraid. I mean, she obviously was so afraid of him.
Oh, yeah. And to hear that he not only abused her, but abused... her mother, too, before she was born and while she was gestating.
Like, that's insane. Like I would say that it takes like a like super fucked up person to like hurt a pregnant person.
But this guy literally chopped somebody's arms.
Yeah, so it's like he has no low. He doesn't.
I don't know where he would have. It's shocking that he didn't start earlier and didn't rack up a higher.
I sincerely hope that there is a hell just for people like this.
Yeah, just something. Something like that.
Well, obviously his daughter was very right to be concerned because...
When he got out, when he was paroled, California was like, Nope, we don't want him.
So they protested to not allow him to move into their communities.
Literally one California community after another. told parole officials that they could not relocate him there.
Good. was finally forced to live in a mobile home on the grounds of San Quentin Prison until the end of his parole in 1988.
So wherever he was going next, he had to register, which he went to Florida.
So he had to register with the state of Florida as a convicted felon.
His move to Florida, where he was originally from, was not smooth.
He was one of eight kids in his family originally, and that's where he was from, like I said.
So he had a lot of siblings living in California or Florida still.
And at first he moved into his brother's home, which soon became a target for people who were like, this is a fucking crazy person.
Why is he coming into our community? They had a firebomb tossed into their front yard.
Oh, my God. Protesters showed up at court hearings where he appeared because...
He ended up having some, I think it was like shoplifting charges in Florida because he just kept being a fuckhead.
Of course. So whenever he would go to court hearings for that, protesters would show up.
Because I think between 1990 and 1991, he was arrested three times for shoplifting.
At one hearing for these, he described himself as, quote, a confused, muddleheaded old man.
Yeah, you're more than confused. Like, I'm just confused.
I'm just a little thing. You don't seem confused.
No, you just seem like a giant fucktard.
So after living with his brother, his brother was like, yo, you gotta get out of here because...
This firebomb's being tossed into my yard.
So he moved into another home that was owned by his family in Orient Park in Tampa.
His new neighbors thought he was a fucking great guy.
Oh, God. Yeah. His next door neighbor at the time, Tom Bennett. said quote we were scared of him at first but every day he'd talk to you he'd cook steaks and bring them to you don't eat those He fixed up his property really good.
He was the neighbor you dream of. I started to believe him.
Maybe he was framed. No, he wasn't. Nah.
Well, they find out that he wasn't. So he, I mean, he lived alone.
He spent most of his time just remodeling his house and landscaping his property.
Several of his brothers and their wives visited often.
He had a dog named Kala, who was a Rottweiler that he apparently loved.
They said he was also solicitous, offering to repair a neighbor's broken mailbox one day. um he would go to see his neighbors like bands play at bar like he was very much in the neighborhood He was like one of those neighbors that's in with everybody.
He was a townie. Yeah, exactly, which is crazy.
So some of the neighbors knew the whole Mary Vincent thing, but some didn't.
The ones who did were just like forgiving eventually, which is crazy to me.
I would... Insane. I just wouldn't be. If you chop off somebody's arms, you're just not good in my book.
No, it's like, I just can't, I can't be like, well, maybe he was frantic.
Like, no, that's too much. So one of his other neighbors said, quote, we didn't like the idea that something had happened.
But you can't make a big thing about it if you want to give people a chance.
Yeah, I don't want to give that many people a chance.
I love that they're just like, we don't like that something happened.
Oh, something happened? He fucking blunt force trauma-ed... brutally raped, chopped arms off and threw a woman off a cliff.
Something happened. That's, That's not really just casual behavior.
It's just like, you know, we don't love that about him, but...
We're going to give them a chance. I'm like, yeah.
We're not going to do that. I don't know.
I feel like it's like when somebody's like, yeah, I've been arrested for shoplifting quite a bit.
You're like, ah, right. I don't like that that happened.
Don't come to my house, please. Yeah, like, don't come around my valuables, but like...
I don't like it, but we'll give you a chance.
This, not so much. So this is interesting.
Three weeks before he ended up being arrested in Florida for something we will talk about in a moment.
Neighbors had to save him from his van because he attempted suicide in his driveway.
His neighbors said he was found breathing the van's exhaust through a dryer hose that he had attached to the tailpipe.
After this, he spent about a week in a psychiatric ward before returning back to his home.
Tom Bennett, his neighbor, that said before, like...
We were scared, but he was good and he cooked steaks.
He was great. He said, quote, he told me he was feeling sorry for himself, but he didn't give any more explanation.
Why the fuck are you feeling sorry for yourself? why don't you feel sorry for the girl whose arms you cut off exactly well about 6pm on a Wednesday night in February 1997
Hillsborough County Sheriff's officials said a man who had done some renovation work for Larry dropped by his house...
And heard what you might say is a commotion inside.
So he was like, what the fuck's going on?
So he peered in through a window. And he saw Larry, butt-ass naked in the living room, choking and punching a woman.
And stabbing her repeatedly, the woman was nude and on the couch and was screaming for help.
Jesus Christ. And they said he was, like, maniacally just stabbing at her and, like, punching her.
Believable. Yeah. A deputy who responded to the 911 call says Larry answered the door completely covered in blood.
And he was just like, hey, what's up? Yeah, he was just like, oh, hey.
And the woman was dead. The victim was identified as Roxanne Hayes.
She was a 31-year-old sex worker. Tampa resident and mother of three.
Oh my god, that's awful. Nobody knows exactly, you know, what the whole scenario was.
If She was there for some other reason or she was like there on business purposes.
Either way, it's fucking awful. So the state of Florida flew Mary down for this trial.
Hell no. because she didn't have to testify but she was like oh i'm a testify which is like oh my god by the way lawrence i'ma finish yeah like don't worry she's like you thought you were about to finish something like crazy so she didn't flinch when they asked to identify him and she said she didn't dare take a deep look either she was like i don't She said, quote, I wanted to see his eyes.
Eyes are important. When he was on top of me attacking me, I was looking at the axe trying to stay alive.
I asked later if I could look at him in the eye, but it didn't happen.
Which is like, oh, it's like just so... So fucked up.
Now, this time he was convicted of murder and sentenced to death.
Unfortunately, he died in 2001 on death row of cancer at age 74.
Which is a bummer. Yeah, I wish that he actually got to be... I hope he suffered.
Yeah. Somehow. Do you know what kind of cancer he had?
No, I don't. I tried to look it up, but I couldn't find it.
I hope it was the worst one. I hope it was penis cancer.
You know penis cancer. I don't know. That particular one.
I hope he had it. That's what you get for raping people.
Yeah, I hope he just had all the cancers.
So the prosecutor Donald N. Stahl who is now retired.
But he said, quote, I'm not going to say he's Hannibal Lecter, but once a guy like that has a certain bend...
He follows it for the rest of his life. This guy has a personality that's bent in the direction of going after women.
So this case actually helped. Donald Stahl, the prosecutor, get legislation in front of the people it needs to get in front of that would make mandatory terms for most violent.
Good. would not happen again the way it happened because they're like they're like look we gave him 14 fucking years which is nothing And then he got out and ate, and he immediately killed someone else.
Like, this is ridiculous. This is a fucked up thing.
Yeah. So one of his neighbors... said quote, when I found out about what he had done, the first thing I thought was, should I have left that man in that van that day?
If I had known, I probably would have at least given it a second thought.
Because that's the other thing. It's like now all these neighbors who like rushed to help this guy were like, shit.
We saved his life and he went on and killed someone.
Exactly. I don't blame them for being like, should I have fucking left him in his van?
Who knows if he killed somebody else and that's why he was trying to kill himself to get away with it.
I mean, we don't know. DNA, in the 70s, it's so hard to pin shit on people.
I'm sure this guy killed other people. He could have done stuff before Mary.
He could have done stuff, you know, in between.
It's just crazy. So as for Mary, who is the real star of this whole thing.
She says that she still has a lot of nightmares.
She's still afraid to go to sleep and can't sleep for very long when she... when she actually does she says quote i've broken bones thanks to my nightmares i've jumped up and dislocated my shoulder just trying to get out of bed I've cracked ribs and smashed my nose.
Every day I pray to God to make a space I can breathe in and every day God gives it to me.
And she's now an artist. She doesn't have arms.
And she's a fucking artist. Oh my god. And this is a skill that she said she... just happened after this whole thing she said she couldn't draw a straight line before this that's a miracle yeah which is insane so she does she draw with like prosthetics Yeah, like she uses her prosthetic hooks and that's the other thing.
She's like a tinkerer. So she makes her own prosthetics to like work with what she wants to do.
Wow. Yeah. She said, and this, I love this.
She says she has entered the third phase of this whole ordeal now.
She says first she was a victim, then a survivor, and now she's an artist.
Which I love. I love that. And as an artist, she focuses on, she says she focuses on powerfully upbeat women and She uses chalk pastels and she works in a vein that kind of blends like the Vargas pinup girls style.
And she creates her own basically like femme fatale action figures.
Which I just think is so badass. That is.
And... Oh, yeah. So like I said, she's like a tinkerer and she makes her own shit.
She uses spare parts from broken down refrigerators and old stereo systems to modify them, like her prosthetics, to be... what she needs them like the fingers turned in all directions like and she does it herself she said quote i like to tinker So did my grandfather.
He was an artist too. I guess I get it from him.
There's all this stuff in the world that's been discarded.
If you keep working with it, it will work with you.
Which I'm like, I love that. And she started the Mary Vincent Foundation to advocate for teenage victims of sexual assault. really? yeah and she and I'll just end this with a quote from her she said quote I've never indulged myself in anger and hate I wouldn't be here if I had That is so fucking big of her because I would be the most angry, hateful person if this shit happened to me.
That's the thing. It's like... How do you not come out of that with so much hate, anger?
So jaded. Just bitterness, like just... so paranoid of everything, which I know she probably is paranoid at times, but...
Like for her to come out and just be like, nope, like I'm not going to take that.
She just is living her life like the best that she can.
Yeah. in a pretty remarkable way and she must be so fucking annoyed that it's like they gave him such a lenient sentence and he went out and killed a woman well because that was her main thing that she like went to trial for so that he wouldn't do it again exactly and that's the whole reason she survived Her whole mindset was, I have to survive so he doesn't do this to someone else.
And then the system let it happen again.
After she fucking survived all that shit and like used every fiber and cell in her body to survive that whole thing just so.
Not for herself, but for him not to do this for someone else.
The system allowed him to just walk out and do it again.
So messed up. And it's like the poor family of, you know, Roxanne.
This could have been avoided. This dude shouldn't have been out in the fucking...
Her three children, it's like, this dude shouldn't have been out loose.
And I'm sure his neighbors, because I know I read a lot about his neighbors being like, This dude should not have been allowed to live near us like this into interact with us and become part of us like this is crazy.
I'm so glad that this case, which is, I mean, this is all like because of Mary, like that this case changed things so that this kind of attack is not seen as something that you get a max of 14 years and serve eight years. for you know like now you're getting life for this kind of shit because if you're capable of doing this you're not going to be rehabilitated it's just not something that's going to happen no So it makes so much sense.
It's like that and pedophilia. Pedophilia, you can't rehabilitate it.
No. Those people need to be away from the rest of society, and I have no fucking qualms saying that.
No, it's true. But, yeah, so that is the fucking...
Bonkers story of Mary motherfucking Vincent.
That is, I can't even. The patron saint of badass bitches.
Like she needs her own, you know, those true crime candles.
Oh my God. Yeah. Which also like someday I hope our faces are on one of those.
That's like my goal. That's the goal. That's the dream.
Oh my God. Like just putting that out there, true crime candles, someday.
Just saying. Someday. Someday. We'll earn it someday.
But she needs to be on one of those. I'm picturing one.
But you have a duck face. No, I wouldn't.
But Mary Vincent needs to be one of those.
Yeah, she does. She needs a nice survived kin.
She needs to be a candle that's like the patron saint of badassery.
I want that. I'd buy that. I'd buy that for a lot of money.
That's just our little, you know... pitch true crime candles so yeah so that was at least that one was a good one it had it had a real bummer in the beginning it had a real bummer in the middle But like, you know, in the end.
He died. At least he's dead. And Mary's a fucking beautiful woman.
Beautiful artist. Yeah. And Mary's just this beautiful fucking wildflower just floating through and she is thriving.
So that's a great one. And we hope you enjoyed that one.
We'll do some more of these like fun survival ones sprinkled in every now and then because they're nice. yeah not everybody has to die yeah i mean it definitely gives the grizzly shit but like it's nice to have that every once in a while to have an end that's like yeah all right So we hope you guys enjoyed this.
Like I said, we want to start getting out some more content.
We just have to kind of like make it work for us.
But I promise we have so many cases we want to get to.
So we really do want to just give you as much as we can.
Eventually we'll try to do two a week. We're definitely going to try to do that.
I think we can make it work sooner than later.
We just kind of have to. we'll get it we'll get it together we'll buckle it up we'll figure it out because i know you guys will um be psyched to get more so we want to give you that because you're so amazing and yeah so we'll do another bonus episode very shortly I think we in fact I know we are going to hit House of a Thousand Corpses.
Because I'm very excited to show Ash that for the first time.
I've never seen it. I love doing that. I love giving you a first run.
Yeah. It was like Freddy versus Jason. So I love it.
I love being the one to introduce you to this like fucked up shit. so uh we'll do house of a thousand corpses um our next case is not going to be a survived one They're going to die.
They're going to die. It's one that I remember reading about early in my true crime fascination.
Not right in the beginning, but it's one that I just remember like constantly coming up when I was reading.
So we won't tell you about it yet. But I'll tease.
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You threw in the fucking. I did. I felt like I wanted to make it aggressive.
Don't just be weird. Fucking weird, man.
And don't sleep on the couch. And fresh air is for dead people.
And don't hitchhike. And don't hitchhike.
And if you do hitchhike, don't fall asleep.
Yeah. Definitely don't fall asleep. Mary Vincent, you the shit.
Mary Vincent, Mary Vincent, Mary Vincent, Mary Vincent, Mary Vincent, Mary Vincent, Mary Vincent, Mary Vincent.
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