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Yeah, that we would be like very old. Yeah, I hope anyways.
Yeah, I mean, I hope so. These days I'm like, maybe not.
Maybe. Who knows? But you know what? We're going to be here for a while.
I love when I don't know what to say. I just go...
That's my favorite thing to do. I love it personally.
So this episode is actually the... The sequel, if you will, to the first Sunset Strip Slayer episode.
It was supposed to come out a little earlier, but this week...
I'm terribly sorry. It was a clusterfuck of a week. youngest birthday and then the twins started kindergarten which is like emotions emotions emotions galore yes daniel tiger cake pops did you see them yeah emotions Like, emotions that I was not ready to, like, have or deal with or confront, so...
It just got us a little behind on everything, so I apologize, because we are trying to get on a stricter schedule, because I... think you guys deserve that and we want to give it to you listen here's the deal what we're trying to do here Because we're trying to put out episodes on Tuesdays and Fridays.
Because here's our thoughts. You get Crime Countdown on Mondays.
Yes. Tuesday just feels like a fun day to get through.
It feels like a good beginning of the week, but not too beginning of the week.
It does. Then it gives us time to get our shit together on Wednesday and Thursday.
A little more research time. time up in there and then we were going to give it to you on Thursday but then that would be too much time in between episodes from Thursday to Tuesday Tuesday.
Or Saturday. Well, you know, too much time.
It's the same. You're right. It's the same.
Because we were thinking if we did Thursday.
Yeah. then you'd have to wait all the way till Tuesday for the next one.
But if we did Saturday, you're waiting too long between Tuesday and Saturday.
Exactly. We figure Friday was a nice, happy medium.
People are still at work. And then on Sunday, you get Scream.
Exactly. So we're trying to make it work.
We're going to get it down. I promise. I just clapped my neck and it was like a lot louder than I expected.
I don't know if you heard that. Because, you know, like 16 years into this podcast, we're going to get on a schedule.
Well, the girls started school, so that's going to make a huge difference.
Yeah. Guys, for real, I'm... I'm still not even sure how to handle it.
We look at each other throughout the day.
Like the first day I looked at Elena and I go, I feel like I should have played with them more.
I was just saying that. And I'm sure, I don't know if like parents agree with me.
Maybe I'm crazy. Hopefully I'm not. But John and I were literally like, I just want to play a game with them.
Yeah, I just want to play memory. I want to do a puzzle.
Can we play memory? Memory games master.
Can we play with your frozen Barbies? Do you want to watch Bluey?
I should have done it more. I didn't do it enough and now I can't.
And then they get home at a certain time and I'm like, okay, I have to spend an hour with them before I leave or else like I'm not. going to feel like I'm a good aunt.
But the upside of all that crazy emotions is that it is allowing us to get a little more on a schedule, which I did not anticipate.
So hopefully that will be happening soon.
We're going to make it happen. Because we love you.
We just want to make you happy. We want to give you guys deserve it.
You've been fucking amazing. You guys are incredible.
You guys have hung around. You've dealt with our erratic schedule for years.
You've dealt with us. you dealt with us so and we want to we appreciate you so much we just like always want you to know that so We feel really lucky that we get to do this every day.
I've been thinking about that lately. Just like how lucky we are.
I feel very lucky. And I'm just like very appreciative of you guys.
So. Yeah. so thanks so much no sometimes i'm like oh wow this this is still happening yeah i just Thank you.
I'm just very appreciative, and I feel like we should let you know every once in a while.
But with all that hunky dory stuff, let's bring it way down.
You know, now that I've just like gooed all over you with happiness, you know, that sounded kind of dirty, but no.
It really didn't. It just sounded like you were a monster.
We're gonna go. Into part two of Doug Clark and Carol Bundy, The Sunset Strip.
Slayers, the Sunset Strip Killers. The Sunset Strip Slayers, first of all, is a tongue twister.
The Idiots. And second of all is so stupid why do we give them these names they always get them why don't we call them the sunset ding guy Why don't we call... Dinguses, plural.
Why don't we call them gross? Because that's what they are.
They are gross, these two. And when we left you last time, because I know it's been a couple days...
We left you with the discovery of Jack Murray's dead headless corpse in a van that he used to carry on his affairs. with carol and other women yeah he was found headless You know?
Yeah. Just missing his head. The fact that they straight up decapitated people.
Yeah. That's a lot. That's... That's what kind of, like all of these people are bad, you know, like everybody's bad.
Yeah, it's just like different degrees. And, like, the hillside strangler is, like, horrific.
But then when you get to, like, decapitation, it just, like...
It's a whole extra layer to the evil onion.
Because killing and like... Hurting people for sport and just for thrill and stuff is so inhuman to most of us.
Right. But something about removing somebody's head is just a whole different galaxy.
Because it's like a different level of dehumanizing someone.
Because it's like what, you know, it's identifying someone.
It's like all their features are on their head. right and i don't know it's just weird it's just terrifying so yeah jack was found dead in his van um Police had received the call to come check out the van when people were starting to smell something really awful emanating from inside of it.
Because it had been there for about four or five days in the dead of summer in California.
It was in August. I leave like, you know, I did once leave fish tacos in my car, which is really like I. never live it down so I might as well tell all of you she never will like my family will never let me know i was also like 19 and then i was i was the most horrified Yeah, it's fucking disgusting, but I'm trash, so I don't know what to tell you.
Overnight. We love you anyway. Only one night, and I got in the car the next day.
I can't even explain to you the scent. Yeah, because think about how hot a car gets.
Well, that's exactly what I mean. People die from being left inside of a car.
Inside of a car gets... outrageously hot yes never mind in the dead of summer in like california for five days like Whoa.
Oh, man. I mean, and at this point, I mean, very obviously by what she has just done, Carol is losing it.
Carol's losing it. She's been involved in these like, you know, she was involved in like covering things up, disposing of things.
She got the guns for him. There's just a lot going on.
She's starting to unravel at the seams, and her co-workers are starting to see it, as well as everyone else around her yeah she's just starting to be off she's you can tell she's just a mess um What I did find out, because I think I know I was wondering and I couldn't find anything about it.
And I think you had asked about it last time.
Like, where are her children? Yeah, where are her children?
And this whole time I'm like, where are they?
Yeah, because she literally has a decapitated head.
And she's like going to this bar every night.
And I'm like, where are your children? And again, I don't know how old they were because you literally can't find that, which I'm kind of glad.
But I was like, what's going on here? I did find out that her two sons were staying with her mother-in-law in another state for like months. months at a time oh that's interesting yeah so at least that clears that up that I think because this didn't take too long to happen, this whole spree.
So I think for the bulk of it, they were gone.
Well, at least... When, you know, when XC Wilson's head was found on the counter in the kitchen when Carol walked in, they were gone.
I just can't imagine like finding that out that that is what your mom was doing.
Like that must be heartbreaking. It's, I can't even fathom it.
Right. I really can't. And it's like so many people, like I was reading, you know, some of the books I was reading about this, some of the authors were like, just like marinating in the idea that like all of these people, all their families had to deal with like so many levels of like,
Even Jack Murray's family. Yeah. His kids had to deal with like finding out all of his secrets and like, you know.
And I'm sure even his. his wife was already going through the grief of like, he's cheating on me with all these women. happened that's just obviously different kind of yeah there's so many layers of awful So just in every direction?
Yeah, it's just every direction you look, it's just like shit.
Yeah, this is very i couldn't wait to be done with this case like i i'm gonna see you later goodbye after this yeah But yeah, it was just so Carol was really having a time at this point.
She had called her ex husband at this point.
If you remember Richard Geis. He was the nice one.
He was the nice one. And she had told him, you know, I have something to tell you.
And I'm starting to stress out and he's like, what is going on?
Right. And she was like, Doug's a serial killer.
Oh. Doug is the sunset strip slayer. Oh.
And I'm very afraid. And Richard's like, me as well.
And he was like... what the fuck you got to get out of there.
Like he was literally like, you got to get out of there.
Well, she hung up the phone. I'd also be like, don't implicate me in this shit now that I know that.
So she's like, what the hell am I supposed to do here?
Call the police. So then she calls him back.
And she's like, no, I was just joking. Like, don't worry about it.
I was joking. That was just like, I'm Carol. like woohoo funny joke and Richard said like I didn't know if I should believe her not like I don't No, because he was like, remember, everyone involved in this is a pathological liar.
So it's like Carol, Doug, Jack, everybody.
They're all pathological liars. You can't.
Who knows what is true as far as he can throw them.
And it's like, so he just didn't know. He was like...
It could have been true. It could have been false.
I had no idea what to do. So he just didn't do anything.
Because what is he supposed to do? Well, yeah, yeah, exactly.
I mean, you could call him. I was going to say, probably call the police.
It's a weird situation, I suppose. But then you're going to call the police and especially the LAPD at this time.
You're going to be like, Hey, my ex just said that her new bae is the Sunset strip killer.
Then she said, JK, lol, just wanted to let you guys know.
Just, do you guys want to do anything with that?
They'd be like, absolutely not. We don't want to do anything with that.
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They were like, stop calling us. I literally just witnessed somebody get like, they tried to shove this girl into a car.
I saved her life. They were like, you're crazy.
He hears exactly what they look like down to the acne scars on his neck.
And they were like, go home. yeah go home lady like like holy shit direct quote what the fuck and it's Well, and even this one, like, didn't they tell somebody like, I don't know what to tell you.
Yeah. Or they didn't. even put two and two together about the notebooks and everything.
Yeah, like Mindy Cohen is calling and she's like, hey, so I met those two girls.
I can tell you everything about them. A couple minutes ago, I got this really scary call from a guy who said he was Detective Clark.
And he said he knows everything about it.
And he also said he's going to come kill me.
And they were like... That's a prank. Deal with it.
Bye. Deal with it. Just deal with it. Okay, so I think Richard was probably like, okay, I'm just going to stay over here.
Yeah, stay in my lane. But before Jack Murray was found murdered in his van, She was still trying to see him at the bar.
She was still like really into Jack. Still trying to.
Even though she's with Doug. Because none of these people are like. you know, these aren't like real monogamous relationships or anything.
They are just like using each other for whatever. they can use each other for.
So she had been seeing him at the bar that he sang at more and more.
She's trying to entice him to come back into her life.
I just keep picturing Toby Keith says this bar.
I see. I've never been to that one. Neither have I. I've only walked by it.
I was going to say, I was like, I can see.
You think I'm chilling in Toby Keith's? I was like, here I am saying, I can happily say I've never been in I've only just walked by it, but my mom used to frequent that bar.
Yep, that is true. And you know what? I think it's like every country bar.
Little Nashville, I feel like that's every single country bar I can picture.
Now, after getting like soused one night at the bar, she was like...
I got to tell you something, Jack. And he's like, what?
And she's like, Doug murders sex workers.
That's something he does, and I have helped him clean and dispose of some of the evidence.
One of the things I have done She was like, remember that victim, Exie Wilson?
I helped him get rid of that head. I also put makeup on it and did the hair on the head.
And she was like... What do you think? What did Jack say?
What are your thoughts? Jack probably just like said something dickish.
Oh no, Jack was like... horrified it was like it was like because jack was like not a good human being at all but not a murderer but he But not that we know of.
So I think that might have been his line, I think.
I didn't know where his line was, but there it was.
And so she was, but she was shocked. She thought he was going to be like very, Like, be there for me, Jack.
Like, be into it. And he was like, yeah...
I might call the police on Doug. He was like, I might report that.
See, here's the thing. You don't tell his bae that.
You just say, wowee, I don't want to know anything about that.
Bartender, make it stronger. And then you go home and quietly call the police.
Exactly. I would have literally been like, oh, it's so loud in here.
I literally didn't hear a thing you said.
Did you say doug was a great guy awesome can i have my here we go get my beer okay bye like And then later, later you call the police and you say it quietly.
But he was like, I don't, you know, I'm not scared of you.
I'm going to call the police. sorry about it I'm gonna get him in jail.
Oh man. So she was furious. Of course. And so she decided he's gotta go.
Oh. So she's furious at him for like so she's furious at him for a million reasons.
But that was the cap. So August 5th, she lured him out to his van with the promise of sex.
Now, she had lured him out there with the promise of having sex with her, And also the promise that if he did this, that she would bring the 11-year-old.
Remember Jessica, whose that is not her name, but I'm just not using her real name.
11 year old the next time and that he could have the 11 year old. what the fuck dude i don't want it's just all bad yeah it's just all bad So what she said was she started by giving him a massage in the van while he had his pants down.
Stop. While he was unaware, she shot him in the head twice.
And he still wasn't dead. So she pulled out a knife and stabbed him nine times.
She also slashed and stabbed him in the buttocks and genitals.
And initially she was just going to leave him there after this like frenzied killing that she did.
So this is by herself. Doug's not even there.
Totally by herself, according to her story.
Okay. But she did realize that there were now two bullets in his brain that could be traced back to her and Doug. because they were now the 25 caliber bullets from one of the two Raven guns.
One of them was like chrome plated. One of them was nickel plated.
You had said that. That's how they told them apart. but she was like, this is gonna be traced back to us.
So she's like, I gotta do something about this.
So she sawed off his head with a boning knife.
So now not only has Doug done this, she's done this.
These two evil ass people who found each other. sawed off heads.
But here's the interesting thing. Now, the thing with this case...
There's a lot of different feelings about it because Doug to this day, as we will see, maintains that he is a shit pile, but he has not done this stuff.
And what he said and what he did through the whole trial was that it was Jack and Carol who did all this.
Interesting. And that Carol turned on Jack.
But when you turn it around... None of the there's evidence that can point to some of that or some of them.
And there's evidence that can point that point right to death. so I wonder maybe if they were just all doing this together well there's also that there's people who think that the three of them were doing this together and that they had to nix one of them and Jack was the one who... Exactly.
So... There's also this thing where a forensic pathologist said when he looked at the XC Wilson decapitation, and the Jack Murray decapitation, the way that it was done seemed like it was done by the same person.
Which is interesting. because they said it was like a very like jagged kind of the same, which... on the other note you could say that could be someone who has never cut someone's head off before like you know it's just Or just even the tool that they used.
Exactly. Maybe they're using the same boning knife.
You know, so it's there's so many things in here.
And as we'll see. a lot of people aren't around to talk about it anymore and that's very frustrating.
But it's interesting. It's definitely, there's a lot of very strong feelings either way.
I don't know. i can safely say i don't know you really don't have any i have no idea do you lean toward anything I know Doug Clark is a murderer.
Yeah, of course. I know that. You just know it in your bones.
But I'm like... Was anyone else involved?
I don't know. I feel like they my feelings if I had to pick one is that it's Doug.
It's Doug and carol okay that's it but like sometimes you can be like oh maybe okay i guess now After she cut off Jack's head, she put it in a grocery bag and she left with it in the car.
Put the grocery bag on the passenger side seat.
Drove off. What a fucking life, dude. Right?
Like... You just... Get in a car with a severed head that you have just liberated from someone's body.
Wow. Yeah. That's... next level you just you just next level you drive a vehicle after that yeah How do you drive a vehicle after killing a man, cutting off his head, and then his head is sitting right next to you? you just must have no feelings yeah there has to be nothing there that is so bananas to me.
Well, she drove to the apartment that she was sharing with Doug.
Doug actually was with his another girlfriend.
Also, wasn't Jack her landlord at this apartment still?
No, this was after he had kicked. Remember, Jeanette had made him kick.
Oh, yeah. But I thought he set her up in like a different apartment.
He did, but it wasn't his. He just helped her get it.
I'm looking at the tiny details here. You're like, it doesn't matter.
It doesn't. But I appreciate the thought.
But so Doug had another girlfriend in the apartment when this happened.
And this is interesting. I read in a couple of places that that she called Doug on the way to the apartment and told him like excitedly was like hysterically excited what she had just done.
And he was like, okay, you need to get here right now.
And we need to figure this out. And then when she arrived there, there were paramedics there because his girlfriend had had a seizure.
Oh my gosh. But what a lot of people think is that she heard the phone conversation.
Yeah. And something happened. Yeah. But.
Obviously, this is in a few sources I saw.
Interesting nonetheless. Either way, he did have a girlfriend there the night.
And paramedics were there. Yeah. Wow. So weird.
And when she called him, she was like, I did this for you.
Like, to save you so you wouldn't go to jail.
Like, this is for you. And according to Doug...
Carol wanted to put the head on a fence post to have somebody just find it.
But that doesn't make sense to me. And again, remember, they're all pathological liars trying to save their own asses.
Doesn't make sense to me because the whole reason she removed the head in the first place, according to her.
So it wouldn't be traced back. So the bullets wouldn't be traced back to them.
If they leave the head somewhere, they're leaving the bullets.
But why is she so worried about that now?
Because they left XC's head in the box out in the open.
So I almost... Part of me wants to believe Doug that she did want to do that because... I don't know.
Because why did she... And then it's like maybe she just removed his head out of rage.
Mm-hmm. You know, just like Doug did to Axie.
Yeah, exactly. So... I don't know. Again, no matter which way you look at it, it doesn't really make a lot of sense.
No. And it's fucked up. Which is probably good. that it doesn't make sense to us.
Exactly. I don't want it to make sense. Don't make it make sense.
But she says, after they talked about it for a minute, they decided they were just going to throw it in the trash.
So they said they pulled up to a trash can and threw it inside.
It was never found. So they didn't do that.
It was never found. What the fuck is the head?
They probably like threw it in a body of water.
That's the thing. So I'm like, where's the... Or maybe bury it somewhere. only had the neck portion to like look at to say that they were both removed by the same person.
Right. But it's like, would the head have told a different story?
I don't know. Very interesting. Now, when the police were called to the scene days later, they found Jack's body.
They also found a bullet casing. she forgot to pick up one of the bullet casings.
See, that's another thing where I'm like, If you did that, then you obviously weren't that worried about it because you know that that happened. happens if you're shooting a gun all the time.
Yeah, exactly. So I don't know. But maybe in like the frenzy of the moment again.
Exactly. Now, August 11th, the same day that Jack was found, Carol told her supervisor at the hospital...
Hey, I'm like stressed out. And she's just like in the break room.
I forgot that she worked at all. Yeah, she still works at a hospital and she's in the break room and she's like, oh, I'm just really, really stressed out.
And they're like, yeah, we can tell like you're like. you seem like you're kind of unraveling.
And she was like, yeah, I know what it is.
She was like, It's like, you know what it is?
It's my boyfriend, Doug. He's the sunset strip slayer.
So it's stressing me out. It's hard to sleep at night.
And they were like, come again. Excuse me, Carol.
And she was like, yeah, like he murders people. like my boyfriend murder speed you know that guy on the news that it's like murdering sex workers that's my boyfriend doug and it's just a little stressful Just a wee bit.
So they were like... Okay. And a couple of nurses that were supervising were like, okay, cool.
We're going to be right back. So they just went and called the police and were like, hi.
You need to get here right now. Yeah. And the police come and the entire hospital went on lockdown or at least that floor went on lockdown.
Oh, my God. Somehow, she was able to miss the police by scooting down another elevator as they came up.
Stop this. And she changed out of her scrubs so she wouldn't be noticed walking out of the hospital.
And she left and she went back to her apartment.
Again, we say it all the time. That is something you would see in a movie and you'd be like, there's no way that that happened.
Happened. Wow. Happened. Wow. Happened. It's like so wild.
The happening. The happening is right there.
So she went back to her apartment and she just started gathering all the evidence for the police.
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So she, I mean, she got like bullets that Doug had kept that like he had told her like, oh, this one I shot Gina Moreno with.
And like this one, I did this. She found several pairs of underwear that he said belonged to victims because a lot of them were found without. most of them were found without underwear i think all of them were actually um because he did keep them And she then called.
She was like, okay, I've gathered all this up.
So now she was like, you know what? I got to call the police stations back because they don't know that I'm here.
So she called the police stations that were in the different jurisdictions. that the bodies were found.
And the only one she could get a hold of right away... I don't remember which one it was.
It was like... It wasn't very noted in many of the sources.
I saw two different ones, so I don't want to pick one and just say it. one of them that she called and got through, she told the whole story.
She was just like, hello. it's me carol and they were like oh and and of course at first because they've heard from carol before and then They figured it was just a prank.
Yeah. So they were like, okay, well, why would you decide to tell us this now?
And she was like, well, I'm confessing now because I finally committed a murder of my own. on my own.
And she said, you know, Doug was really pissed about it.
And she was like, you know, I'm just upset.
We've been fighting about it and I'm just over the whole thing.
I'm just done with this. I thought it was going to make him happy.
It didn't bum me out. Imagine receiving this call.
That detective was probably like, is this fake?
Like, this has to be fake. right because she's just like let me tell you everything and the detective's trying to keep her on the line at this point and he said and so he was like well do you feel remorse for the killing that you did?
And she said, according to this detective, The honest thing is it's fun to kill people.
And if I was allowed to run loose, I'd probably do it again.
I have to say I know it's going to sound sick.
It's going to sound kind of psycho. And I really don't think that I'm a psycho, but it's kind of fun.
It's like riding a roller coaster. Not the killing, not the action that someone died because we did not kill them in a way that hurt them.
What? It's like a roller coaster. We did not kill them in a way that hurt them.
Because according to her, she's like, what?
We shot them in the head. And I'm like, well, Jack, you stabbed nine times.
Yeah. After shooting. And she's like, I don't think I'm a psycho.
Yeah, I don't think I'm a psycho. I think you have a lot of mental.
Mental illness, Carol. I think you need to talk to somebody ASAP.
But before the call was over, so the detective's like, yup.
Mm hmm. Like, oh, my pen died. Yeah. Got to go.
Like 10 officers surrounded her home. Yeah, I was waiting for that part.
And while they were there, so should they come in They got her without incident.
She was ready to go, but she was like, wait, I have all this evidence.
So she starts handing them the bullets, the the underwear and she's like, wait, that filing cabinet, let me open it.
And they were like, uh, what's in that filing cabinet?
Yeah, like maybe not. And they were like, no, like You can help me.
I'm giving you permission to help me open this.
This is in my house. I will help you open it.
So they opened it up and she pulled out a file and she gave it to them.
And it was a bunch of photos of Doug. with the 11 year old Jessica.
Oh, God. And she was like, boom. There it is.
Oh, that breaks my heart. So that's the other thing.
It's like the people who are like... Because I've seen like sources where they're like, Doug didn't do this.
And I'm like, I don't give a shit what Doug did.
He did that. And you're obviously saying explicit photoshop. yes explicit photographs oh so horrible like and then it's like carol you're sitting there fucking taking them you're disgusting Exactly.
They're all horrific monsters. And it's like, he's exactly where he needs to be.
But... She confessed to it all. She said she killed Jack.
She explained why she did it. She said it was after she had cleaned and helped Doug dispose of Exie Wilson's head that she had confided in Jack and that she got scared and had to get rid of him.
So she just let it all out. Now about Exie Wilson's murder, she said afterwards, quote, we had a lot of fun with her head.
Where I had my fun was with the makeup. I was making her over like a big Barbie doll.
Dude, that's what she said. She is so mentally ill.
Yeah. Oh, my. Now here's where things, so this case is wild because there's three Jane Does in this case. that are attributed to Doug Clark.
That's really sad. It is really sad. The first one was found after they were arrested.
And it was on August 26, 1980. And she's referred to as the Valencia Jane Doe because of where she was found.
Sure. She was found by a highway worker who was looking after like around the water towers in the area.
This was the murder that Doug had referred to at one point to Carol and called her Water Tower.
She was discovered near the Sierra Highway in Antelope Valley. which I don't know where that is, but Californians, you do, I bet.
When he stumbled upon the body, it was just like scattered bones.
It was... like very skeletal um there was also like he said it was like horrific it was smelled of decomposition, there was like an oily substance, which means she was definitely decomposing there.
There was also a clump of blonde hair found nearby.
Oh, that's awful. She looked to be about 15 to 20 years old, but when... they did reconstruct her face, the National Center for Missing and Exploited Children did. they still haven't identified her.
When you look at the reconstruction, she looks... way more on the younger side of that scale.
Does she? The 15 to 20. She looks 15. Yeah, she looks very, very young.
They believed she had been dead one to two months before she was found.
She's also labeled as Jane Doe 18 right now.
The cause of death they found was a gunshot wound to the back of the head.
The remains were only wearing like a red sweatshirt they could find.
They didn't find any other clothing. There was that bullet in her skull was a 25 caliber bullet.
So that's why it's attributed. Yeah. Two days after they found that Jane Doe, they found another Jane Doe.
Jane Doe 99. She was discovered in an embankment in Malibu.
In a very secluded area. She's known as Malibu Jane Doe.
Uh-huh. She was small, like five foot three, like very tiny build.
She had blonde hair. She was estimated to be about 20 years old as well.
She was nude with a black tank top and black skirt around her waist.
There was a clump of her own hair beneath her, like blonde hair, and she had died of a gunshot wound to the head as well. and it was from a 25-caliber Raven.
If you look them up, you can find them on the Doe Network.
And it will give you the little, they didn't really have a lot of features that were distinguishing marks or anything with them. because a lot of them had been dead for a long time.
But they are fairly certain, you know, they're attributing these two and then one other one to Doug Clark and Carol Bundy, but they think At the end of the day, they are attributing, like, 25 people to him.
Wow. But the police, they've never, like... they've never released why or who else or...
I think they must be actively still working on these.
Sounds like it. I want to know who else they're attributing to him and why, but it's interesting.
And especially because according to Carol, you know, she would talk to people and say and she said on the stand that he told her he'd been murdering since he was 17. and he had at least up to 50 people that he had murdered so maybe that is true it could be true Again, everybody's just a fucking liar in this case.
They don't know. So... Doug is obviously brought in with her because she implicated him right away.
Yeah. And Doug's interrogation was just him blaming...
Carol completely. Oh, of course. Carol did it.
He said he and Carol went together to troll for sex workers and had three threesomes with sex workers and were involved in it altogether.
But he said, I was not involved in any murder.
And he kept saying like, you know, I just like, you know, don't kink shame me.
I just like, oh, yeah. You were involved with an 11-year-old.
Well, that's before they let him know that they had that.
So then as soon as that got slapped down in front of him, he's like...
Yeah, what are you going to say to that?
He clammed right up. Right. Because at first... Was it Carol's fault too?
Yeah, exactly. Because they were like, is this... like, don't kink shame me, like pedophile.
And he's like, womp, and just clammed right up.
Yeah. Now, another woman came forward saying, I recognize him. that guy that you just arrested, because of course it was on the news.
Right. So she comes forward and she says, Wait, I have a story.
Now, her name is Charlene, and she testified that, and this is from the court transcripts, She testified that around 10 p.m.
April 27, 1980, so the same year, She was on Sunset Boulevard.
She said a man who she identified at trial as Doug Clark. approached driving a blue station wagon and solicited an act of oral copulation.
After she entered the car, defendant suddenly began stabbing her repeatedly in the back, neck, arms, chest and stomach.
In the ensuing struggle, Charlene grabbed the knife by the blade.
The blade severed tendons in her hands, like severely hurt her hand.
At one point, she said, Mr. That's blood.
You're hurting me. And he laughed at her and said, I know what. so she was finally able to like fight him off like she was fighting tooth and nail And then she finally was able to open the car door and literally roll out of the car.
And he just threw her shoes and purse at her and drove away. oh my gosh and she later identified him from a lineup and then pointed to him in court and was like that's the guy wow yeah Now, Carol confirmed this.
She said, oh, yeah, after that, he came right back to the apartment. covered in blood and like a wild animal like super pissed like just pissed amped like all of it And she just helped him wash off.
And she also put together a kill bag for him.
So it would make it easier with knives and cleaning supplies and rubber gloves and such, because we got to make this more efficient.
What the fuck? Yep. He was charged with six counts of murder. three charges of sexual misconduct with a minor, mutilation of human remains, attempted murder and mayhem on Charlene... an accessory after the fact for helping Carol dispose of Jack's head.
Boom. They ended up making a deal with Carol.
She had to testify for the prosecution, of course.
And she would get full immunity for testifying, but immunity in the sense that she would not get the death penalty.
She would only get life in prison. Okay.
Which that's, she just got to weigh it, I guess.
Right. So she claimed as well that there was another murder.
While they were talking to her, she was like, wait, I don't think you have this one on the register.
Jesus Christ. They didn't know about this one.
So it was the murder of a sex worker she claimed she only knew was named Kathy.
This is our third Jane Doe. Oh, wow. Now from the court transcript. script again.
It says, quote, Bundy first watched while Kathy orally copulated defendant.
Then upon defendant's signal, Bundy gave him her chrome Raven pistol.
Defendant shot Kathy in the head. Defendant Ann Bundy took the body, stripped it and left it in an isolated area near Saugus.
Now, I looked it up and at first I was like, oh, I was like, Malibu is only like an hour away.
And at first I was like, oh my God, is this the other, is this Malibu Jane Doe?
It kind of seems like blonde, everything, it's the same.
But no, they found this Jane Doe as well.
Oh my gosh. Her remains were skeletal when she was found, but...
The Doe Network says that her distinguishing features, because they don't even have a reconstruction of her.
They have nothing. Her distinguishing features were she had a very high forehead.
She also had a very slight build. As for dental, they said the lower right side molar was missing and the upper left side molar was missing, and she had a slight overbite.
Okay. You can look it up on the Doe Network.
She's Kathy from the Doug Clark, Carol Bundy case.
Obviously, if anybody has information on any of these Jane Does, they're a great person to call in the Center for Missing and Exploited Children.
But it's really sad because they said she looked to be about 17.
Oh, my gosh. And Carol also said that they weren't even sure that she was dead when they dumped her.
What the fuck, dude? Like, how are you that evil?
You just don't care. There's so much evil here.
It's just like... It's wild. And this is also when she mentioned in the interrogation that they had an agreement they came up with. that if Carol was in the car and she said, boy, am I having a blast. that that meant that when they picked up a girl that that meant she wanted to kill her yup it's like um Moira and Ian, they have a code too.
All of these have, like Catherine Burney and David Burney, they had a code too.
Like, I Have the Munchies or something like that.
Oh, maybe that's what I'm thinking. Yeah, but I think Ian and Myra had one, too.
I thought theirs was I Have the Munchies.
Yeah, these... Who knows? They're all fucked up and I don't want to remember.
Either way, terrible. But the prosecution was actually, because at first, of course, David, or David, Doug is like, I don't know what she's talking about.
What are you talking about? The prosecution was able to later during the trial admit into evidence writings by Doug. where he described this murder and his involvement.
Wow. He tried to have them tossed out of evidence because he said they weren't like... collected properly or admitted legally or something, but you're wrong.
Yeah, it was there. Now, there was also a piece of paper with that was found in his wallet that also pointed to this obviously being a true story.
It was just this random piece of paper and he wrote down all these weird little notes on it.
The first one said, Mindy C., and then her telephone number.
This was Mindy Cohen's actual telephone number.
Then it says, B. Hills, not working. Beverly Hills not working I'm assuming friend of Cindy's which Mindy was a friend of Cynthia, who people called Cindy.
Okay. He did admit many times, he admitted during trial that he did hang out with Cynthia Chandler, one of the victims, a couple of times before.
So I think that might be what he's referring to.
Friend of Cindy's is Mindy. Right, right.
He wrote pretty. And then on the back of the note, it says, Cindy, telephone number, room bottom left.
And this was someone not identified, but the number was connected to the Palm Motel on Sunset Boulevard where sex workers were known to work and Hangout, so it could have been that.
He then wrote Blonde Hooker 30, and then at the bottom he wrote Kathy 2.
So people were like, boom, there it is. Now, after searching his apartment, They were able to, like, finally getting to, like, actually search the apartment.
Right, like, with a warrant. Yeah, they were finally able to get through that filing cabinet because there was more stuff in there.
Oh, of course. And yeah. You don't just put that in with your fucking tax returns.
Exactly. Now in it was a newspaper that was opened up to a specific page And it was an article that was talking about the recovery of the box containing Exie Wilson's head.
Mm-hmm. There was also a ton of porn in like all forms.
There was even some that was dealing with necrophilia and involving severed heads and severed body parts.
So he was definitely into some like really scary shit.
And then all the photos of him with an 11-year-old.
Yeah, he's fucked up. That's a hell filing cabinet.
Like, that is a filing cabinet of hell. Yeah.
Also in the apartment was a big painting of a skiing scene.
Now, this doesn't seem like it should be.
You're like, yeah, that's just like, that's just like interesting.
I suppose he likes to ski. Bundy stated to the, now Carol Bundy stated to the authorities that she had helped him move some things. into the apartment.
And one of those things was that large ski painting.
Someone else's. She helped him hanging up.
And when she did, he laughed. And she was like, what are you laughing at?
And he was like... See these blood stains?
And she was like, holy shit, I didn't see them before.
But she said, I saw them. And she was like, yeah, those belong to Gina Moreno.
And a blood typing expert later confirmed that the blood did match Gina's blood type.
Obviously, they couldn't do DNA at the time, but blood typing matched.
Now, the garage in Burbank where he had taken Cynthia Chandler and Gina Moreno to rape their dead bodies. he rented a space there, like a storage garage.
And police were able to search that too.
And they found a ton of like, clearly cleaned dark stains on the floor.
One was a clear smear of what appeared to be blood, and later they confirmed that they believed believed it was blood.
They couldn't absolutely confirm it. But it was 2.5 feet wide and 8 feet long.
Whoa. And it was like someone covered in blood had been dragged across the floor.
There was a boot print made in blood and it matched the boots on Doug Clark's feet at the time of his arrest.
Wow. Yeah. So the deputy district attorney, Robert York, at the time called Doug Clark a cowardly butcher of little girls which is exactly what he is.
Yep. Clark himself was extremely hostile during the trial and got in trouble for outbursts of rage.
He would literally scream. You're like, that's going to call them names.
And everybody was like, yeah, you look very stable.
Keep going. Like, yeah, I don't. I was a judge.
I'd be like, go ahead. Yeah, they were literally like, yeah, you're definitely looking like someone who didn't murder people.
What more do you have to say? He decided to also pull a Bundy and act as his own defense for a bit.
Stop it. And he claimed Carol did it all with her boyfriend Jack Murray.
And even though the murder weapon, the gun, was found in his work locker and only had his prints on it.
Yeah. But yeah, that sounds about right.
He was also really screwing himself with this, like, blame Carol and Jack thing, too.
Because he was at the time speaking to a former girlfriend while he was in jail.
And he was basically asking her to cover for him and shit.
And you're like, you don't think anybody's listening.
And that's always my favorite when they're like on the phone in prison.
And they're like, so I got to tell you something, but like you can't tell anybody.
Like no one's listening to that. Like you're in jail. then that like still happens it does it happens all the time you are in the slammer but i'm actually i'm glad I'm glad that it's like they're so dumb that they just like let it out.
People will like hire hitmen. From prison and think that no one is going to hear that telephone conversation.
Just do the transaction right from prison.
I'd also love to be the person that gets to listen to those.
Well, not all of them. No. Those specific ones where they're like doing dumb shit like that.
Where you're just like ding, ding, ding.
Really? Idiot. I'd like knock on your cell and be like, really?
Really? For real? Well, that would be the problem.
I would have a problem not like. clicking into the conversation and being like, are you kidding?
I'm sorry. Are you really this stupid? Are you shitting me?
I gotta ask you. are you really this dumb sir like i would have a lot of problems but you have to hear a lot of shit oh yeah no there's a lot of stuff i don't want to hear no Now, this former girlfriend he was speaking to was Bretta Jo Lamphere, and they called her Joey.
What he didn't realize was that they had telephone records already pulled for the calls that he had made. as Detective Clark to Mindy Cohen and Laurie Briggs.
Remember, Laurie Briggs was the one whose husband had the business card from part one y'all you know if you listen to part one you remember you should have um I hope so, because a lot of this won't make sense.
It helps. But... Those records for June 16th, 1980 showed that they came from the home of of Joey Lamphere.
But it was at the time that she was confirmed to be at work.
But she said Doug had called her at work that afternoon to tell her, hey, I'm at your apartment.
I'm going to do some things. Yeah. The records have that call on there as well.
Him making the call to her. Wow. So it does confirm that he made those and he intentionally made those calls from his girlfriend's house.
What a shitbag. What a shitbag. We already knew.
That's a petty move. Yeah, that's just fucked.
Then the July 24th, 1980 telephone call to Mindy Cohen, was made at 7.11 AM from the phone of the apartment that he shared with Carol.
So that one was made with Carol's phone and the other one was made with his other girlfriend's phone.
But he even like somehow Lamphere still was contacting him.
Yeah. Which is wild. I can 100% tell you that if someone I was dating was a murderer, And, like, calls other people from my house.
Yeah. Snip. Snip. Yeah, that's grounds for... Cut him off, sis.
That's grounds for ghosting, I'd say. Yeah, ghost that motherfucker.
But he wrote to her and she responded and he told her he was trying to get her to go to different sites of the murders to get information to help him and shit.
No! Like I have a day job. Which is a very Kenneth Bianchi move.
It is. And one of the things he told her to do was to go to the place where Marnette Comer was found.
And so the media had not released that there was just like one specific thing about that scene where you could see the freeway lights from the spot she was found, even though it was a very remote spot.
Okay. It was just something that they had never mentioned.
Yeah. the letters asked her to go to the place where you can, quote, see the freeway lights from where Comer lie in the ravine for 30 days.
Wow. So he specifically said where you can see the freeway lights.
And he's, like, trying to write a poem about it.
Like, what the fuck, dude? He also wrote to her that he was scared if he acted as his own defense that his voice might be recognizable to Mindy Cohen. and Laurie breaks in court.
So he's admitting again that he made those phone calls.
And again, you don't think someone's reading this mail before they send it out?
Yeah. Of course they are. Oh, yeah. And then this is from the court transcript.
So apparently he tried to like fuck with evidence as well.
It says, other writings indicated that at a court-ordered examination of physical evidence, defendant, that's Doug, deliberately handled certain items to place his fingerprints on them so that police would be unable to prove any pre-existing fingerprints.
That defendant had altered his appearance by losing weight. and that he had sent case exhibits to a prisoner in the state of Washington for her titillation and amusement.
Who was that prisoner you ask? Oh, I wonder.
Who was that? prisoner who's that girl it's the time you've all been waiting for it was veronica compton everybody I told you it would come full circle.
We just had to get there. We just had to sludge through.
Now, Veronica was already arrested for trying to keep Kenneth Bianchi out of prison or get him out of prison.
Because, you know, she tried to murder an innocent woman dressed as a pregnant woman to get him out of jail.
Correct. Oh, and she was holding a vial of his semen.
Yes. Yeah. As one does. Yeah, of course.
Now, ask Veronica at the time and she was I mean, she was pissed once she got arrested.
She got pissed because Ken dropped her like a hot potato.
Of course he did. Because he doesn't need it anymore because he's a sociopath.
He doesn't care about anybody. No. And she said, quote, Ken was the one who really pressed the issue of the manic copycat killer who was in love with him, killing to emulate. him.
It was Ken at the cost of my life, my son, my sanity. which he knew damn well was all but dissipated.
He let me die alive. I am so sorry for the woman, but I still can't believe it was me tightening the rope.
It wasn't me in every way but physically.
It was. No, it was. It was you. Yep. It was you.
That was you. Veronica. Just wanted to set a reminder on your iPhone for later.
It was you. Just ask. Kim Breed, the woman that you did it to, she will identify you and say, yep, it was you.
Yeah. You must be mistaken. It was you. Yeah.
Now, she was at Sybil Brand Prison in max security, and Carol Bundy was in a cell near her waiting trial.
Oh, shit. Now, according to Veronica, Carol used to whisper details of her crimes to her and she was like obsessed with her.
Veronica was obsessed with Carol? No, Carol was obsessed with Veronica.
I would like whisper the details of his crimes.
And then... Veronica said about Carol, quote, she was convinced I had been Ken's actual murder partner in the Hillside case.
That illusion gave her the freedom to speak through veiled code to me about the joys of her crimes. reliving their perversities and games.
She was terrifying. casually talking of decapitations, dressing up faces, having sex with dead bodies, Doug's favorite.
I would think, I'm crazy, but I'm not that evil.
What the hell has happened? girl. I love how everybody's like, I'm evil, but not that evil.
I tried to murder someone in cold blood, but I'm not that evil.
It must just be the wildest. Like, damn.
You have found yourself in a wild place in life where you are having to like...
Weigh the evil. And trying to like pat yourself on the back for not being as evil as Carol Bundy.
She's like, well, I did. Like, damn. So I'm not that bad.
It's like, oh, you still tried to take a life.
Pretty bad. Like, yeah, you didn't do that.
That's... Bad news bears. Should we give you a cookie with your lunch?
What do you think? Now, at Veronica's trial...
She said she didn't try to murder that innocent woman to give Ken an alibi, But she just did it because she's an amazing writer and writers should always be hands-on in their craft.
And she was writing about a murderer. So are you.
Yeah. And I really hope that you're not hands on in your craft.
I'm not. Because I've read some of the manuscript and sometimes I'm like, what is this bitch doing?
But like, no, she's not. What is this bitch doing?
You can't be that hands-on. No. Can't do it.
And she said she thought it would just, quote, blow people's minds. yeah that murder of an innocent mother yeah just blow people's minds man it would but like not in the way that you were wanting and then she said and i quote Veronica is a wild, wild person.
She said, quote, I'm a very good writer.
I am very into myself, very much so. I love myself immensely.
I'm very narcissistic. Believe me, I had to have an enormous ego to do what I did.
Honey, I believe you. I believe you. You know who, she gives me like Long Island, Lolita, Amy Fisher vibes.
Oh, you're right. She kind of does. Yeah.
Now when they asked her if she was doing this out of love for Ken she said she loved him but then she said quote since I am an unknown writer, I embraced an idea for publicity.
In that idea, I grasped the most sensationalistic murder case I could because I had just completed a murder play, which I believe is very explosive.
Very dynamic. And I want it sold. Girl, you better get a different publicist.
Honey, listen to me. Listen to me right now.
All writers want to be published. I get it.
Of course. I get it. that's not the way to go about it not that bad that's not the way to go about it no that's not it That ain't it.
I also love one that she called it a murder play.
Yeah. That's a lot. Wow. Yikes. Incensive.
Two, the fact that she's like... This murder play that I wrote, it's very explosive, very dynamic.
I love that she's giving herself her own little snippets to put on the back. of the playbill.
Very explosive. So dynamic. She's like...
I know it. You know it. We all know it. It's like the play's name by Veronica Compton and then on the back it's like Veronica Compton. veronica compton veronica compton thinks it's explosive she thinks it's dynamic like of course she does and i love at the end she's like i want it sold it's like honey that ship sailed also you're not gonna profit off of it now like That's gone.
Now, Kim Breed, like I said, who is the survivor of Veronica Compton...
She said she was convinced that Veronica was pregnant because, remember, she was wearing a disguise.
Right. And she said she didn't, she's like, I would have fought her harder, but I was worried about hurting her baby.
So she's like, I literally didn't fight her as hard as I would have because I didn't want to hurt an unborn baby.
Because she was also a mother. Yeah. And it's like she's just a human being with empathy and feelings and love.
That makes sense. None of the characters in this would understand.
Now, the same doctor that performed the autopsies on many of the Hillside Strangler victims... was the man who testified at Veronica's trial that the marks on Kim Breed were almost identical. to the victims of the Hillside Strangler, and he said it was obvious that Ken had showed her exactly how to do it.
Like, how? Because they were able to have visits.
Yeah, but like, isn't somebody fucking watching that?
Yeah, but he can just sit there and tell her.
Damn. That's crazy. She ended up being sentenced to life in prison.
Yeah. But she did get out, just so you know.
Oh, she did? Yeah. So while she's in prison, she starts getting these letters.
Now she claims... And let's remember, we can't believe anybody here.
This is Ronnie we're talking about. This is Ronnie.
Now, she claims that at first these letters came in from a guy named Daniel.
And this guy named Daniel said, I'm just some... poor asshole on the outside who just thinks you're innocent and knows your true heart.
And that Daniel and Veronica just started falling in love through these letters and it was just, you know, beautiful and soon Daniel was like, I have a secret.
And she was like, what is it? And he was like, I'm actually Doug Clark of the Sunset Slayers. time that you decided to get an alias yeah this is this is one Who knows?
Either way, whether he started it off as Doug Clark or he pretended to be Daniel, which I just don't see.
I don't think he did. I think she was saying that because she was like, I already fell in love with him.
Well, that's and I think she uses it later because as we'll see, she gets kind of like bashed about this during the hillside scene.
Strangler case because they use it as a way to not to take away her credibility for anything because they're like well she's already like in a relationship with another serial killer at the moment so right And she tried to say, oh, I didn't know it was Doug Clark.
He said it was Daniel. I think it's bullshit.
I do, too. Because no matter what way it happened at first, she found out it was Doug Clark and she was still all into it.
Right. And they started like a heavily sadistic and sexual relationship through letters, like necrophilia talk, all that.
Now, she also- And she's like, Carol's terrifying.
If you saw when I read the court transcript part that he sent her things to titillate and amuse her about the case.
She convinced him to send her crime scene photos which I'm not even sure how he was able to do but it's literally in the court transcripts.
What? He was able to get her file photos from the case.
How? I don't know. but a photo album was seized from her cell.
And in it were photos of Exie Wilson's body and severed head.
There was also photos of Doug holding different evidence items from the case, which apparently These were photos taken during a viewing of these items by the defense team and they had him hold things up.
He sent those to like underwear, the box that XC's head was in.
I'm also like, why did they let him hold that stuff?
I think it was just part of the evidentiary like, There was like a reason for it.
But they were in the photo album in herself.
And she's out of prison. And she had asked for them, like, for her titillation and amusement, it said in the court transcript.
But then on the other side, she's like, Carol's so terrifying.
She talks about like. You're all terrifying.
It's like you're looking at it. Every last one of you is terrifying.
It was also said that they were engaged at one point.
How? And she said that they were engaged at one point, but then said no.
What is wrong with you? It is saying, I thought I could get Ken jealous if I left him for another mass murderer, a more notorious mass murderer.
I cared for Clark, but I was madly in love with Ken.
I think Bailey Sarian says this, get better idols.
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Like, listen to our girl Bailey. Listen to Bailey Sarian.
Just listen to Bailey Sarian no matter what.
But definitely listen to her on this. What?
Now... Interesting too. So when she was tested, so obviously she went on the stand too for Angelo Buono's trial. because they were trying to get her to say that, you know, the defense put her on the stand so that she could say that her and Ken were trying to set Bono up.
So it would be good for the defense team.
Now, while she was on the stand, she was a terrible witness that like... course she was she was like very like like very over the top she's a playwright Exactly.
And she's an actress, so she's a thespian.
She would cry and say Ken wasn't paying attention to her after all they had gone through. completely ignoring the fact that she tried to kill an innocent mother.
She was also obviously really put on They were talking to her about the Doug Clark thing and being like, yeah, this seems to be your thing.
I don't think you're really... You want to talk about it?
And she was... basically brought on to tell the story of how she and Ken were trying to frame Angelo but it turned into just like totally just demolishing her as a character.
Yeah. At the same time that she was on the stand And I didn't know this and I looked it up and it is true.
While she was on the stand, defending ken bianchi at the angelo buono trial across the hall in the same courthouse doug clark's trial was going on shut the fuck isn't that wild shut the actual they were in the same courthouse thing it's like seven degrees of fucking hillside stranglers like goodbye it's These cases are so connected.
And Angela, Veronica Compton... is like sitting right in the middle.
Ew. It's so wild. That is. Now, Veronica actually escaped from prison at one point.
Get out of here. She cut through the wire fence with another inmate.
What? But she was caught immediately and brought back.
In the early 90s, she married James Wallace while in prison.
He was a retired political science professor at Eastern Washington University.
He was also married when they began corresponding and she got him to leave his wife for her.
Okay. Yep. They got conjugal visits at one point and she had a daughter with him.
She was released on parole at one point, but then put right back in prison because social workers and a cop showed up to check on the daughter.
And they found out that she had painted sadistic and pornographic murals on the walls. in their home.
She was also still writing about her fascination and love of necrophilia.
And her report by parole chairman or chairwoman upon reentering prison said, quote, Her psychological history is quite disturbing and indicates that she has learned how to manipulate more skillfully Not that she has become more stable or less a danger to be at large.
And then it said, I noted that there was information in the file that she had said prior to her release... and repeatedly told corrections staff that she married Dr. Wallace and had a child, simply to get out of prison and go to California, and that she had no intention of staying with either.
Miss Compton did not deny these remarks.
That's really sad. She was released in 2003, and she released an album.
Called Home in 2013. Shut the fuck up. That's right.
What kind of music? Like what genre? I didn't listen to it.
I was going to, but I didn't know if I wanted to be in that kind of headspace.
Well, you also don't want to give her the streams.
I just want to know what the genre is. I don't even know what the I'm sure it's something like really out there Wow and then so like How did she get out of jail?
She just was able to be eligible for parole.
Why? I really don't know. And then didn't Carol Bundy die in 2003?
Was it 2003? I think it was. That's crazy.
Oh my God. The album cover for Home. Oh yeah. is like a woman's nether regions with a knife?
Question mark. Like, what even is that? Makes sense.
And like a snake. Yeah, all of that makes sense.
I would expect nothing less. Did you see it?
Yeah, I would expect nothing less of Veronica Compton.
Okay, the first song is called Head Song.
Yeah. Yeah. She's living. She has one called Steven.
I wonder who Steven is. Steven. Land of dreams. strung out i'm not open isn't it funny it's not it's none of it is funny i can tell you that much Wow.
The answer to that is no. I gotta go. But now that we have talked about Veronica Compton, because I just had to break in there with her little... that tale.
Yeah. Five days after the jury began deliberations in Doug Clark's trial, On January 28th, 1983, he was found guilty, by the way, of all six counts of murder and the count of attempted murder on Charlene.
Good. A psychologist did diagnose Doug with antisocial personality disorder, And also said he had psychosexual disorder that included paraphilia. also fetishism and pedophilia and more.
Paraphilias are kind of like controversial because It can bring into the picture people judging what is and isn't normal sexually.
Yeah. So some people... There's certain things, but there's certain things that are involved with it that are very clearly not.
Right, like pedophilia. Pedophilia. You know, fetishism...
That is schism. Sorry, that's hard to say.
It is. When it's not living objects. Yes.
Like necrophilia. There's also like sexual sadism when it's like on an unwilling participant.
There's also something called frauderism, which I didn't know what this was.
And when I looked it up, it's Basically, the urge and act of rubbing yourself against an unconsenting person in a public setting.
Interesting. Yeah. That makes you wonder how many times that's happened.
I know that you didn't think it was an accident and it's like, Yeah, I don't like that.
But he did have all that, obviously, because we all knew That's part of his pathology.
But he was declared sane and completely in control and aware of the murders, though.
Mm-hmm. So March 16th, 1983, he was sentenced to five death sentences.
He was sent to San Quentin and he is still there today.
We saw that. Yep, while on death row, he also married a woman named Kelly, who proclaims his innocence.
Kelly, you're wrong. You're wrong, Kelly.
But Carol was supposed to originally have a trial and was going to go into it pleading insanity.
But then she changed her mind right before it and she said, you know what?
I had a lot of fun murdering. So I'm not going to.
And she decided to take that plea deal and spare herself the death penalty at least. carol's like the queen of changing her mind she sure is like she's like oh never mind Just kidding.
I have to tell. No. I told you. Yeah. No.
And there's a lot of like. You know, with Carol, there's a lot of things that you just look at and you're like, man, you were creative. because like even during her interrogation one of the detectives said that like halfway through talking about these brutal murders and everything she was like you know what like I'm really turned on by you are you turned on by me no and it's like that's directly from her father of course course like doing like raping her at a young age like teaching her that that's all that there is it's things like that that you're just like damn Yeah.
Like, damn. Do better, society. Yeah. But on May 31, 1983, she received several consecutive prison sentences of 25 years to life. for the murder of Jane Doe, 28, and the murder of Jack Murray.
So Jane Doe 28 is Kathy because she admitted that she was there. and that she handed the gun to him.
She was put into the California Institute for Women at Frontera, And she and Doug maintained contact through letters for a while.
I'm sure they allowed that. She tried to have him like freed because she tried to be like, you can just say I did it or you can do all this or whatever. she was still trying to like, wow, that's sad.
Yeah. Please him. But obviously, you know, that didn't work because of all the murder.
Um, She was going to be eligible for parole as of 2012, but she died of heart failure and complications related to diabetes December 9, 2003, at 61 years old.
Yeah. And I did read, there was like, Because I think we were talking about it on like a recent Crime Countdown episode that like...
So many of these terrible serial killers are in San Quentin.
We were, yeah. I don't think it's been released yet.
No, but it's a crazy, crazy, crazy thing.
There was an episode that we recorded and I would say at least like six out of ten were in San Quentin.
It's wild. And it was California's like. most gnarly serial killers.
Yeah, and it's like that place must be the darkest energy.
Well, and all of them are on death row, too.
Yeah. I think I said in the episode, I was like, I bet you can feel the energy there.
Yeah. You think, like, it must be thick with just evil.
Oh, yeah. I can't even imagine working there.
I believe so much in energy and energy work and stuff like that. your energy comes out of your body.
I can't imagine having to be like a guard or somebody that worked there walking down that hallway.
It just must feel so heavy. You need to sage yourself every day.
But he's really the only... I mean, Jack is gone.
Carol's gone. Doug is the only one hanging out, and obviously Veronica, which I don't think Veronica is going to be much help.
I don't. But I would love for Doug to finally admit something.
He won't, though. He's an asshole. No. You can tell by his eyes.
Yeah. He's just not going to. He's got scary fucking eyes.
Let me go look at him again. I think it was Charlene who said...
She remembered him because of those eyes, like those cold, just dead eyes that he has.
Oh, yeah. But also I'm going to put the Doe Network, Jane Doe's, the links to them in the show notes.
Just so you can take a look, in case you never know, maybe someone knows something or knows who these people are.
I'll put them right in the show notes. And in case you don't know what the show notes are, because sometimes I've seen people be like, what the hell are show notes?
And I didn't know what they were before I listened to podcast yeah no me either um it's just the description uh wherever you're listening to the podcast the description of this episode well that's the show notes it will usually say like you can see like a little tidbit of it and then we'll say like see more yeah so you can so if you want to see all that stuff it's always right there yeah But that is the case of the Sunset Strip Slayers and Veronica Compton.
Wow. And I'm glad to be out of there. I hope you are too. i'm doing like a spooky episode next or something i just go ahead Hillside Stranglers followed by this is like, oh boy.
It's a lot, man. It's spooky season. Let's do, I'm going to do a spooky episode.
Spooky. I don't think I can sing the rest.
All right, guys. Well, we hope you keep listening.
And we hope you keep it. But it's weird that you're Veronica Compton.
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