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I'm Ash. And this is Really Morbid. Yeah, Elena was like, this one's going to be really tough.
And I was like, oh, I actually have five plans for today and none of them include this. yeah we are on part two of the hillside stranglers we are Still talking about Angelo Buono and Kenny Bianchi.
Kenny is a bitch boy and so is Angelo. Let me tell you, these two are a lot worse than I think you are even thinking.
They're a lot worse than I remember researching about.
Yeah. It's like really bad. Is this going to get like Toy Box-esque?
Slightly. Awesome. I'm going to do my best to keep it like listenable, you know?
Yeah, of course. But, you know, we're going to tell all these girls' stories.
This is going to be a three-parter because I also wanted to make sure that I was talking about... not just how they died or how they were abducted, but who they were.
But I tried to look for as much possible information as I could about all of them.
I wasn't able to get a ton of information on all of them because it was a long time ago.
It's just not available, but I got as much as I possibly could.
So I wanted to talk about that too. You're a great trace at you.
I try. So part three, we will finish up the murders and we will talk about the trial.
And some like wild stuff that happened in the trial.
I mean, there's like a girl who tried to murder someone for Kenny Bianchi while he was in prison.
Why did you not? No, no, no. To try to make it look like he was not the hillside strangler and they had the wrong guy.
Yikes. There's also like a recent murder that happened in the Buono family.
Oh. So... There's a lot. Okay. There's a lot to cover in the third one too, but it's like all stuff from like Aftermath.
And you guys are getting both parts this week.
Yes, you're getting both parts this week, so don't worry, you're not going to have to wait until next week.
This part in particular is going to be tough.
We... ended last time we had talked about the murder of 19-year-old Yolanda Washington.
We had also talked about the murder and abduction and the sexual assault of both of these women of Judith Miller.
That's where we had ended. They had dumped Judith Miller's naked body. on the lawn outside of Angelo's ex-girlfriend's house.
Somebody who had rejected him. That was just like...
What? And his whole thing was like, well, you know, like, I think it'll just ruin her day.
Or maybe like multiple days. Well, it's like that's going to ruin a lot of people's days.
But like you're a psycho. That's crazy talk.
As we'll see in this. especially in this part, neither one of them can handle rejection, neither one of them can handle I mean, we saw that in the first part when he left a fucking used condom on his ex-girlfriend's door.
Oh, yeah. cut a hole in her diaphragm. Oh, it gets worse.
Their non-handling of rejection. So by now, news of the Strangler was starting to gain attention because Judith Miller was found, but she was not immediately identified because she was a runaway.
It was clear to police that she had died of asphyxiation and strangulation. in that she had been brutally raped before death.
This, along with Yolanda Washington's very similar murder and disposal method, seemed to ring true to at least Frank Salerno at this point, and members of his team, that something was connected here.
Mm-hmm. They also were able to recover a small piece of white stuffing material from Judith Miller's eye.
And if you remember... they used the car upholstery stuffing over her eyes and like taped it as like a blindfold.
And they do this. This is their thing that they do for everybody.
They like leave them with that all over their face.
No, no, because they one of the things they are smart about is they don't leave right evidence.
It was just like a small piece left behind.
It was a small, and it's just something the detective would find.
You know, like detectives are looking for those tiny, tiny little things that you don't see.
The trained eye. He happened, especially Frank Salerno, he's got the eyes.
So he happened to see there was a little piece of white fluff just on her eyelid.
And he was like so crazy that like you have to pay attention to that.
Literally the smallest. little thing like so important but it's like i just can't imagine like yeah the stress of that Well, and Frank Salerno is definitely a big part of this and another detective, Bob Grogan.
And he's actually like from Boston. He was on the LAPD.
He's a huge part of this. And while I was reading about this, I fell in love with Bob Grogan as a detective.
I love that. different. He's a different kind of detective.
He's very feeling. He's from Boston. he like gives he's like he's like a Boston dad to me that's He like reminds me of my dad when I was reading about him.
He's just like this big guy who's just like...
But he's got that way about him, but he still has this empathetic... way about him like but it's like very understated i don't know i just was like i like this guy he's got a papa vibe so we'll definitely be talking about them but um In November, Bianchi had had a fight with Kelly, his girlfriend, because remember, his girlfriend's pregnant.
He's wanting to marry her. She's saying no.
It's a big mess. They had a fight and he was pissed, of course, so he storms out.
He shows up at Angelo's house and he wants to get his rage out.
And he wants to commit another murder because he's like, now we've committed two murders.
I'm down for this. Let's just make this be our thing.
So they had been talking about this for days.
And so Angela was already prepared. He had laid out all the items needed to do it because they said they wanted to make it like smoother.
And like organized. yep very organized they had the tape on the counter the stuffing the cords the rags the bag it was all ready go that's horrifying he said he didn't want to run around trying to find these things in the heat of the moment he was like i'd rather them all just be laid out and we can just do this like like cleanly.
Oh my. Yeah. To like, you know, streamline the process.
Acting like he's about to like paint a room.
Exactly. Like. What? And so he got in the car and they drove or the two of them got in the car.
They drove to the Sunset Strip because that was like their place to go.
Yeah, they were looking for a victim. So on the way they drove by a Angelo's ex-wife Candy and his daughter Grace and they beeped and waved to them.
On the way to go to find a woman to murder.
They beeped and waved at Angelo's ex-wife and his young child.
What the actual fuck? Hi, family. Imagine knowing that later on.
Yeah, that they were on their way to go find someone to kill.
No. Yeah, that's terrifying. It's just little things like that that really stuck out to me.
Because it makes them so much more evil.
It truly does. We know that they are, but it's like... waving to your child on the way to murder another woman is like what it's wild that's like i know i feel like we always say it but it's like that's something you see in a Exactly.
It's true. These things are always things that I'm like, if that was written in a book or seen in a movie, you'd be like, that's a little too far.
Right. But it's not. It's not. It's really no too far.
Like I now I watch movies and I'm like, yeah, that probably did happen.
Right. Like that movie, The House That Jack Built.
I haven't watched it, but I've heard a lot about it.
And there's certain scenes in there where I'm like, come on, you took it too far.
Then I'm like, honestly, no, people are depraved.
People are the worst. So, yeah. yeah I've heard that one is like yeah I've heard that one's really rough if anybody's watched it let me know but it looks really rough yeah um So this, and also I just want to mention again that I got a lot of information from The Hillside Stranglers by Darcy O'Brien.
It's a really really extensive book on this I also got a ton of information from the book Killing Cousins and it's by uh And OJ Majeska, and I'm so sorry if I said that wrong, she... is amazing and it's a really good book.
It goes really far into it. So those are two really good sources of information.
I also found a ton of old newspapers. A ton of old New York Times articles that we're able to piece this all together.
Yeah, I love going through old newspapers, so much fun.
We loves it. They decided, you know, they're going to take their police badges for the ride tonight, and they were going to try to do something different this time, because before they were, you know, just pulling them out after they'd got a girl near them.
Right. And just being like, we're police officers.
You're under arrest. Well, tonight they were like, let's pull a car over like let's take this like further well and angelo really loved um The other guy that was putting like a siren on his car.
Yes, like that. Exactly. That serial rapist.
Yes. Carl Chesterton. I think his name was.
So yeah. And he, I think that was, he was like, all right, let's try this.
Like if he can do it, why can't I? Yeah.
Why not? So near the Hollywood Hills, they spotted a bright, like a lime green beetle, like VW Beetle.
And it was driven by a girl with dark hair.
And the woman would later be identified as 21-year-old Lissa Kasten.
We will get much more into her after this because I have a lot to say.
They followed her until she parked outside of her apartment complex.
Well, Oh, God. That's when they pulled up behind her.
They got out of the car with their badges and pretended to be stopping her as police officers.
She was very confused and asking, why am I being pulled over?
She was like, did I do something? Like, I didn't do anything.
But they just acted like they were professionals.
And Bianchi told her, you know... There was a robbery around here and a witness pointed to her car as being the one leaving the scene.
And she was like, well, there's like a ton of like beetles around here.
They're everywhere. And she was like, but this is a very distinctive color. there's a reason which like yeah he had all this to say so she was like okay what And then it's like you don't typically argue with authority.
Yeah. But luckily, I mean, Lissa is a badass and she like fought back.
She argued. She was very hesitant to go with them.
She was like, what the fuck? So she was like, I'm not doing anything wrong.
I don't understand this. But she finally gave in and they handcuffed her.
Oh. and put her in the back of the car with Buono.
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No, it's not. They did the same thing they did with Judith, but they ended up cutting her clothes off with scissors instead of...
Like, unhandcuffing her and doing it. And then this is, like, where I get angry at how... they talk about her.
Because the way that the two of them talked about her was, like, really disgusting.
Yeah, of course. So Angelo didn't want to participate in raping her.
Because he said that her legs were unshaven and that was gross.
Oh, gross. god how dare she um he said like he was like he said he was like oh she must be like a hippie like i'm not into that So, Bianchi was the one who actually sexually assaulted her, but he used a glass bottle.
As he did this, so as he was doing this, Angelo put a bag over her head. with a cord around the neck like before to begin the asphyxiation and strangle her. only this time he would slack the cord every now and then to bring her back. let her get some air, and then he would do it again.
He did this several times to torture her.
That's like what they did to Colleen Stan.
Yeah. And at one point they like traded places and Angelo sat on her knees while Bianchi was the one who strangled her to death.
So this took a long time. And as this happened, Kenny said that Angela was shouting, die, cunt, die.
Jesus. Like in her face. Yeah. Yeah. It's like, how do people like this exist in the world?
You literally will like may have driven your car past these people. or, like, seen them in the grocery store.
Like, it's just the craziest fucking thing to me.
Well, that's in just the... like that kind of torture. exists on earth like and it's like unthinkable i mean this is like even describing it is not even real No.
To me, I'm like, that's not... What? Like, that's a person.
As a... Fellow human beings. How do two people do this to another person?
And how do two people... that are related to each other just yeah we've said we said it in the beginning but it's just like what the actual wild It's wild.
And now what bothered me, like I said, was how she was described also in a lot of sources that I found.
The killers themselves tried to tarnish her memory by basically saying she was too unattractive for them to rape, basically.
Yeah. Like, okay, then why did you pick her?
Like, obviously you were attracted to her.
And I know that that was a way just to fuck with her even after death. be ass like that was them to just keep torturing her after death was talk about her that way So I was looking for any, because I could only find one picture of her.
And I was like, I want to find more pictures.
This girl doesn't deserve to be talked about that way.
No. Like that doesn't deserve to be what anybody knows about.
And especially when you die like that. So I kept looking.
Finally, I found this really cool photo of her.
And I was like, oh my God, like that's a beautiful photo of her.
Like that she's so like alive and vibrant and like just looks cool.
Right. And so it led to this blog online written by someone named Andy Nicastro, who... had the same thoughts I did and I was like oh my god I'm so glad someone else said this So he wrote this like really lovely blog that got a lot more information about her in life.
And I'm going to link to it in the show notes because it was just like really well written.
Yeah. But I want to say I got this information about her life from there.
So the picture, you can see, she was... Yeah that's the picture.
I love this picture. Doesn't she look cool as hell?
She looks like she's in a movie in this picture.
She's a badass. She also has the most beautiful hair.
Thank you. I was literally just going to say she was beautiful with a head full of black curls.
Like beautiful black curls. She was also the co-founder of the LA Knockers, which was this amazing rock dance troupe for women.
Hell yeah. Oh my god, did you see this photo?
It's like just the other girls in the photo with her.
Yes, that's the photo that I saw yes and i'm gonna post we gotta post that because absolutely i'm saving it right now she looks phenomenal she looks so fucking cool And she was the co-founder of the LA Knockers.
Like this cool rock troupe. Yeah, this girl was a cool chick.
Yeah. And so there are videos of them online in that photo, you know, and like I said, the photo that shared around is not what she looked like.
No, it's also just like, it barely even shows.
It's like the side of her face. And it's just like it's very like high contrast.
Yeah. So you can't really make out any features.
Yeah, exactly. And at the time of her death, she was working, you know, she was doing the dance troupe and she was also working as a waitress at the health. fair restaurant on Vine in Hollywood.
She was very into her health, like very health conscious.
Yeah, she's like beautiful. living a healthy lifestyle.
She was dancing, which was something she saw as a way to help keep herself moving, healthy, toned, and just like express herself look how beautiful she is there literally beautiful are you kidding me yeah Her mother said that she didn't eat red meat.
She was like, that was part of her like health journey.
Yeah. She had dreams of becoming a professional dancer.
That's why she was in Hollywood. She seemed cool and vibrant and sassy as fuck in that movie.
Yeah, she did. I'm glad someone else was as put off as I was, as how she was described.
And how these killers have made her out to be like the ugly girl.
Yeah, it's like, fuck off. Because it's bullshit.
And I'm like, you two are going to say anything about anybody's looks?
These were all beautiful women, full of life. like all of them, and it's like, let's not pretend that she was any different.
And so, again, it's just another way for them to torture her after death, which I didn't want them to be allowed to do.
She looked cool as fuck. There's so many cool photos of her now that I'm like diving deep into.
She looked... So cool. Wow. Lyssa Kasten looked like a cool chick.
They took the stage at the Playboy Club in LA in the late 70s.
They're bad asses. They were a big ass deal.
I'm like, look at her here. Holy shit. This girl is, this is like cool.
She is cool. And that's, and she doesn't get described that way.
No, fuck. it's a very like off just yeah she was she wanted to be a professional dancer she was in a dance troupe right and it's not like no she was a badass like that's really she was cool Right.
It infuriates me. And she fought like hell against them from the jump.
She didn't believe that bullshit about the police officers, but she had to go with it.
Because what are you going to do? Well, that's especially then.
And it's like, but she was smart. She knew that this was weird.
It just makes me really angry, but it's really sad.
They drove. her nude body in the Cadillac up to the Hollywood Hills again.
They brought her body to the Chevy Chase Golf Club, or Country Club Golf Course.
Yikes. They literally tossed her over a guardrail like a bag of trash into a drainage ditch next to the golf course.
Four days after this, they were ready to go again.
Wow. November was November 1977 in California was the month.
Of hell. And imagine being a woman. No. Because they also don't really have like a specific type.
Like, you know what I mean? Like all of these women are... very beautiful, but in such different ways.
Yeah, they're all different. There's no...
There's no age? There's black, white, blonde, brunette, redhead, tall, short, young, old.
They're all like... I think the oldest is like 28, but that's the only thing they all have in common.
But the youngest is like 12. The youngest is 12.
It's like... There's really no one safe.
And you know what? That's another reason why I feel like Kenneth Bianchi could be one of the, like...
Oh, for sure. For sure. And when he talks about the murders, which we haven't covered those yet, but we'll get to them.
Mm-hmm. the murders of the young girl, like the really young girls, when he talked about them in court when he was testifying, He got, like, embarrassed.
Like he would talk freely about the women and be like, yeah, whatever, like very casual.
And then when he got to those, it's like he knew.
That that is the lowest form of low. It is.
And even though he did it, he was like not going to talk about it.
So to me it makes me think he could be that because he's not talking about it and he wouldn't talk about it.
Right. And we're talking about the alphabet murders that he was accused of.
And what makes me angry too is it's like, okay, so you can't talk about the fact that you murdered a 12 year old.
All of these women that you murdered were 12 year olds at some point.
Like all of us were a little girl at some point.
Exactly. So think of that before you want to fucking murder somebody.
But they don't care. No, I know. but it's weird because they do care when the person is that age like afterwards some like They don't care, but... No, they don't care about... Like it has nothing to do with like feeling bad.
No. Or any kind of like... Moral compass.
It's just about probably how it looks for them.
It's the optics. And what's going to happen to them.
Yeah, it's just the optics. They don't want to get their...
They don't want to get beaten in prison for it.
They don't want to get killed in prison.
And there's some weird thing in their brain that knows if they admit that.
It's like a different kind of evil, even though they don't care.
So four days later, they're ready to go again.
But this time they said, we got to make sure that we get a good look at the girl.
Because they said they didn't like they rushed that last victim and blah, blah, blah.
So November 6th is when Lissa Kasten's body was found by a woman jogging by the golf course, which can you imagine?
Glendale police originally took it on, but Salerno was there.
He was talking to them to see if there was any connection to Judith Miller, who they were still identifying at the time.
Okay. When they did identify Judith Miller, they found that her family was living in like a motel kind of thing.
Yeah, they didn't really care that she was dead.
Her family did it? Yeah. Her parents had two young boys in the room and they were like, hey...
Like, I think it was Detective Grogan, I believe, is the one they went.
I can't remember if it was Grogan or Salerno, who went... to the hotel room to show them a picture of her and be like, is this your daughter?
Yeah. And they were like, when is the last time you've seen your daughter?
And they were like, I don't know, a month ago.
She was 15. And they were like, hey, I'm sorry, we think your daughter has been murdered.
And they were literally like, no reaction. what the fuck yeah and they said like that that shows so much but they were like yeah just what that poor girl must have gone through in her life which is really sad but they He did end up identifying her, obviously, but he found out that Lyssa also had marks on her wrists and hands that suggested she had been bound. and the ligature markings on both their necks matched because that was like the calling card at this point was the four ligature marks on the wrists and the legs and then the ligature mark on the neck, like the five point restraint.
They all had that, that was what was linking them all up.
You put that with the violent sexual assault that they both endured and the proximity of Judith Miller and Lissa Kasten's bodies, which was only like six months.
Yeah. And Salerno was like, this is the same guy.
We have a serial killer. But now he's saying...
I think this is more than one person. Oh, he was the one to think that it was... Yeah, so he was like... It was him and Grogan who were like...
I think this is more than one person. Because there was no drag marks near the body.
And there was no indication of dragging on the bodies.
So they were like... This wasn't one person.
There had to be two. And especially Lissa Kasten was kind of tossed over a guardrail.
So they were like... there had to have been two people doing that right um so salerno and the glendale pd decided since this seemed like a serial murder case, they would only release certain information to the press at this time.
So they kept a lot of it close to the chest because they were going to start keeping these, you know, In fact, Salerno wanted to keep the fact that they were strangled away, but it ended up leaking anyway.
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So on November 9th, Angelo and Kenny are driving around already looking for their next victim. like four days later.
After driving around for a while, they passed this beautiful woman who was standing next to a bus stop in front of Mayfair Market.
Okay. Her name was Jane King and she was 28 years old.
She looks like Sharon Tate. She's gorgeous.
She's so beautiful. They both agreed immediately that she was the one and they started discussing their plan.
Bianchi was going to chat her up and charm her into feeling comfortable with him.
And then Angelo was going to pull the car up next to them and be like, oh, hey.
And they were going to act like, oh, hey, pal.
I haven't seen you in a while. What's going on?
Act like they're just friends and that they just happen to run into each other.
And Angela was going to say, hey, Kenny, you want a ride home?
Don't get on the bus. What's going on? And then he was going to go.
Oh, my friend is going to give me a ride.
Like, do you want, we can give you a ride too.
Wow. Yeah. So he chatted her up for a while.
They had a legit conversation. like got to know each other wow and he still like that's he didn't care crazier to me is that like he got to know this personified her And it still didn't matter.
And then Angelo pulled up and he acted like it was the big coincidence.
Hey, Belle, what's going on? They offered a ride.
Initially, she said no thank you and that she was going to wait for the bus, but they insisted.
And then they both flashed police badges and told her they were in the Los Angeles Police Department reserves.
And they were like, you don't have to worry about us.
We're cops. We're just off duty. Right. So she immediately felt comfortable and was like, oh, sure.
Like, cool. Aww. They continued to chat as they drove.
They didn't initially handcuffed her. They were like chatting with her, acting like everything's fine. they stopped and they put her between them in the front seat.
They stopped at a store on the way home and said, Like, we're just going to run in and grab some cigarettes and like some drinks and stuff.
Do you want anything? And she was like, oh, no. good just like making it seem like this is like left her in the car like left her in the car so she could have Like if she knew she would have got away, but of course she doesn't know.
And so in the store, they talked about how they were going to do it and they formulated a plan.
So while she's sitting in their car, completely unaware right home yeah they're in that store talking about what they're going to do and how they're going to do it that's the most terrifying thing So they get back in the car and they tell Jane, oh no, Angelo has something like really pressing he has to do, so...
We're going to run by his house really quick because he just has to run in and do something.
And then we'll bring you right home." And she was like, absolutely.
And she was like really appreciative. Like she kept being like, you know, that's no problem at all.
Like, I really appreciate you guys doing this.
Like, don't worry. It's fine. No rush. So they drive her home, no incident as they're driving her home.
Mm-hmm. They pull in the driveway. She's not thinking anything of it because they said they were going to do this.
Right. Then I guess behind her head, they like nodded at each other and they each grabbed one of her arms.
Oh, my God. Isn't that terrible? And she started fighting.
Good. They immediately handcuffed her. Just totally, like...
In such a sense of comfort. Totally taken by surprise.
Wind knocking. out of you yeah that's it's like getting a gut punch it really is they They immediately handcuffed her.
She was terrified, obviously, and they just dragged her into his house.
They did the same moves with the blindfold. the gag made of upholstery stuffing and tape around her head.
Um, And they always made their victims, when they were doing this, they immediately always put them on this brown vinyl chair. they just it kept being mentioned that like they all got put on there to get gagged and bound it was just like this weird like pattern that they did yeah And later, I think they found fibers on one of them that matches to that chair.
So it becomes a thing later. Okay. They made her stand and they used scissors to cut her clothing off.
That also just, like, that is scary enough in itself.
So scary. just like cutting your fucking clothes off like yeah They then threw her into the bedroom and they did the coin flip again.
So you got to go first. That was also their thing.
When Kenny tried, she literally told him she-
And she was like, you know what, I may be bound and helpless to what is happening here, but I'm not going to pretend that I'm not fucking disgusted by you both.
Like, she literally was like, I'm not going to pretend that this is in any way normal.
So, like, fuck off. Right. Which, like...
Yes, Jane. Get it, girl. It makes me so angry that these people were put in these positions.
The handcuffs... You can't get out. No, what are you going to do?
There's no breaking those. And then you can't see anything.
They can't see anything. Like, it's insane.
And you don't know. where you are oh it just they i hate that they thought of any way to like cut off all source of escape they did so angelo after she says this angelo gets angry and take comes in with twine and hog tied her.
Oh God. With her legs behind her back and attached to her arms behind her back.
Oh my God. Then Bianchi raped her again.
They did the same thing they did to Lisa Kasten.
As she was being raped, they put the bag over her head and strangled her while every now and again slacking the ligature to give her breath.
They lengthened the torture considerably until finally they strangled her to death.
Um, they drove her to the Los Feliz, um, off ramp off the Golden State Freeway. and they dumped her naked, battered body off the side of the road.
Which is, ugh, I just can't. So Jane was, she was a follower of Scientology, which at the time was like huge.
She had a boyfriend and a roommate who immediately reported her missing when they couldn't get in touch with her.
People who knew her described her as sweet, polite, very shy, like a little, like she wouldn't open up to everybody.
She was a very healthy person. She liked to keep herself in shape.
She would hitchhike often, but again, it's the times.
Yep. Because she also told people that she had this ability to just tell when someone was not a person oh man uh and she would reject their ride if she got a feeling right And it sounds like she had a feeling quickly about them, but then the badges were the thing that... kind of overrode that initial instinct she had.
Absolutely. Now, remember, at this time, Bianchi was still with Kelly, the mother of his future child.
They fought constantly. She would leave for days at a time to cool off, but whenever she would come back, He would leave flowers around in love poems and shower her with affection.
Imagine getting a Kenny Bianchi love poem.
No. No, thank you. Ew. And to ease her concerns about money because she was like, you know, like, we're going to have a child coming in.
Like, you're not stable. Like you saw a mess.
So he bought and printed out fake psychology certificates and degrees. and told her that he was doing it on the side and that he had gotten certificates.
And he even rented office space from an actual psychologist who was saying he would mentor him.
Because he was being told he was in school for psychology.
Right. He didn't get any real clients and it fizzled out.
But like, wow. Dude, why not just put that time into going to school?
To actually doing it. Do something for yourself.
Like, make something of yourself. Because it's like, he liked psychology.
I mean, it's too late now, but... And it's like he actually liked...
Like, he did get a couple of people that he was, like, doing, like, you know, intern-level, like, therapy with.
Right. And it's, like... Why didn't you just do that?
Right. Like it's weird to me that you had this weird instinct that you wanted to help people through like therapy.
Yeah. and also want to do the most horrific, torturous things to women.
I also wonder if he got off on other people's problems because of other people's suffering.
Exactly. That's what I think it is. It's like not...
An instinct to help. Not a wanting to help.
He may have thought it was initially an instinct to help people.
And oh, this is my calling. Yeah. But then I think he just likes hearing people in pain.
Yeah, I think so too. I think he just gets off on it.
So it's... But it's like wild. Yeah, that's... His brain is like truly a...
Truly a thing. And he's still working at like an office place right now.
And because the murders are all over the news now.
People are talking about it because like fear is everywhere.
So at work, everyone's talking about it.
And so at his own work. He would engage in conversation and speculation about who the Hillside Stranglers were.
I feel like that happens so many times with serial killers and you just like imagine being like that guy's coworker and you're like, oh fuck, it was him all along. along or excuse me imagine being one of his clients that he did therapy with like Kenny Bianchi gave me therapy yeah The fuck?
Like you need therapy now to deal with the fact that Ken Bianchi gave you therapy.
Legitimately. Like on top of whatever you were initially going to therapy for.
That's so, I just hate him. I hate them both so much. and people he used to work with said later that they would be like standing around talking about it because like it's big news of course if If it's a serial killer around here, that would be what everybody was talking about.
Well, there is. Well, like, you know. Yeah.
But he would say, so they said he would joke and be like, you know, it could be anyone.
Like, what if it's me? And then he would just kind of wink at them and laugh and they were all like, oh my God, Kenny.
Like it was one of those. Yeah it was so funny to joke about being a serial killer.
If someone said that to me I'd be like so it's you.
So it's motherfucking you. Well I'd just be like is it though?
Right. Or I'd be like, why do you think that's funny?
Like, Like imagine if somebody like was just like, oh, these smiley face killings are like crazy.
It could be anybody. Could be me. I'd be like.
Why would you say that? I'd be like, get the fuck out of my presence.
I'd literally be like, no, no, no, don't leave.
You need to explain to me why you said that.
Why did you think that was funny? No, I'm not even putting myself in that position.
Get out of here. I'm calling the feds. Oh, we're having different reactions because I'm...
Sit down. Get out. Sit down, sir. Exit. Tell me.
What you thought was humor about that? I called you a noober.
Where you thought somebody was going to laugh at that.
I called you an Uber. I dialed 911. That's your Uber.
Because this isn't like... Well, these are like brutal, brutal murders.
It's not like this is like... some, you know, bank robber, which is awful as in its own right, but it's like that you're like, Oh, it could be me.
I'm this mass bank robber. Like even that I'd be like, but you, are you?
You're like, oh, lol, it's me sexually assaulting women really terribly and binding and torturing them and then just throwing them off of landscapes.
Yeah, that's Could be me. LOL. Dumping raped and tortured and murdered women.
Yup. Naked in the hillsides. could be me lol so funny wink wink wow I'd be like, get the fuck away from me.
Like, get the fuck out of here. But apparently, you know...
Kenny was able to charm people and he was able to come off as very innocent. kind of bumbling and a little just like, you know, I mean, he was like with girls that he was dating, he would like be horrible, but then he would smooth it all over by being like a hopeless romantic with the flowers and the poems and the affection.
And you know what the other thing is? He never accomplishes anything like he doesn't do anything.
And obviously murder is not an accomplishment.
No, but it's like. You wouldn't expect him to do that because it's... Because he doesn't follow through on anything.
Yeah, like, it takes a lot of time and weird, like... compulsions.
Yeah, and it's like you just don't, he doesn't follow through on anything yeah he literally doesn't do anything he would be anybody who would do anything especially not serial murderers yeah murder excuse me wild So now Jane King wasn't found right away.
She was thrown off the side of the freeway in like a very weird location.
She was really only going to be found if someone pulled off on the off ramp and happened to see her.
So in fact, they had joked when they had put her there That, you know, she's only going to be found if somebody pulls over to like pee on the side of the road.
And then they're like, oh, like they'll find something crazy.
Like they thought it was funny. Not funny.
So they looked for their next victim because they had gotten away. with this last one and it had gone exactly how they wanted it to in their eyes.
So this time, these fucking monsters... decided they wanted younger.
And they wanted a virgin. Because in their eyes, this was the ultimate sacrifice.
That's how they described it. Why are we getting satanic here and shit?
Now, this one's horrific, and I'm going to kind of blow over it as best as I can because I don't want to... even think about this.
Their next victims were a double murder at the same time. on November 13th, four days after the murder of Jane King.
They were going four days between murders.
That's insane to me. These victims were 14-year-old Sonia Johnson and 12-year-old Dolores Dolly Cepeda.
Are they related? No. They look a little bit alike.
No, they're not. They were just really good friends.
They're so adorable. And Dolores went by Dolly.
I love that. Yeah. They saw them boarding a bus and did notice that they were young.
They waited for them to return on that bus, and then when they were walking home, They acted like cops, said there was an armed robber in the area and that they would probably be safer with police officers driving them home.
Yikes. They did the same exact thing to them that they did to the others.
The same thing. They're fucking swamp scum, like lower than swamp scum.
I hate that people like this exist. I fucking hate it.
14 years old. I hate 12 years old. Oh, 12 years old.
Dolly was 12. Oh my God. Sonia was 14, which is bad enough.
12 years old. Like, had braces. What the actual fuck do you mean?
So after everything, they dumped both of their nude bodies in a place that Angelo referred to as the cow patch.
He had taken women there many times before to like hook up.
And it was on a hill near Dodger Stadium. their families immediately went into panic mode when they didn't return home because now there's already been like... oh yeah countless girls that have been killed and they're probably thinking like it can't be They're babies.
Right. That's not what they go for usually.
But they searched high and low for them throughout the neighborhoods and the surrounding areas.
They reported them missing right away. And searches were constant throughout the next week.
The school they attended even was set up as a search headquarters.
Flyers were distributed. It was huge. No one could have thought they were the victims of the stranglers.
No. I mean, looking at them, even... in the group of all the women that were killed, like, they stick out to you.
Yeah, you're like, those are babies. Those are baby spaces.
It just... It's horrific. Especially Dolores.
Oh, she's... Little Dolly? Like... And both of them look like so happy in their pictures and like, Just so young.
You have your entire life ahead of you. Yeah, they just look alive.
Like... And for them to be together, it's like... horrific and comforting that at least they had each other i hope but it's like one of them had to watch the other one die, and that was the last thing they saw.
You know, like it just, when I think too much about it, it like really bums me out.
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But a few days went by and they wanted to go again.
Few days. So they took their usual drive down to the Sunset Strip and now, because of all the publicity these murders and missing women are are getting on the on the uh news what is it called the news I was going to say the media, what they're getting on the media.
On the media. On the news. Police are now crawling the strip.
Yeah, because they know that they are grabbing people from there.
So they're just waiting to catch them in the act.
So they see this and they turn around and go home because they're like, shit.
Now they have to tweak their plan because they have now overstayed their welcome on the strips.
So they figure they will just get someone they know.
What are we doing? Why are we just getting strangers?
What? Let's just get someone we know. That's easy.
We'll be able to get them in the car. So Kenny immediately thinks to one of the women who lived in the apartment complex he used to live in.
She had rejected him because she was beautiful and had taste.
He was going places and she knew that he was a fucking disgusting perverted hog human.
Loser. And so she was 20-year-old Christina Weckler.
She was still living in the apartments because Kenny called to check.
And when he called to check, He said something like disgusting to her on the phone and just hung up the phone.
Ew. Like he's that person. Of course. So they made a plan to make her their next victim because Bianchi wanted her to pay.
Right. So they showed up at her apartment on November 19th.
Kenny knocks on the door with Angelo waiting in the car.
So he flashes his police badge and he's like, Oh, my God.
Hi, Christina. Remember me? Kenny Bianchi?
I'd be like, no. And he's like... Isn't it crazy?
I'm part of the LAPD reserves now. Isn't that nuts?
And she's like, yeah, why are you here? And he's like, OK, well, I'm here because I'm patrolling the area because.
I'm part of the LAPD reserves now. See my badge.
Totally. And he's like, and I saw that someone hit your car.
On the street. Oh, shit. And he's like, but I can help you fill out a report.
And because I'm in the LAPD reserves now, don't know if you noticed.
I can help you fill out a report and get the best insurance pay out here.
Like I can help you. So he's like, step out here.
And I'll help you. And she's like, okay.
Kelly, you think somebody hit your car, right?
So she's like, that's annoying. So she comes out. angelo pulls up and they literally just grabbed her and threw her into the cadillac oh my god yeah When they got her to Angelo's house, it was the same horrific thing.
They both brutally raped her. Brutally. I mean, brutally.
He was punishing her. And they did horrific things to her.
But then when they were ready to murder her, and this one's really bad, just... pointing that out.
They're all bad, of course, but this one just takes it to another level.
When they were ready to murder her and they decided... they were going to prolong the experience because they kind of liked the torture that they had been been inflicting on victims by letting them kind of gulp for air for a little while.
So this time they put a bag over her head.
Then they use the ligature to start strangling her.
But then Angela said, stop. Let's try something.
So they also thought this might keep the cops off their tails if they kind of messed with their mo a little bit so they and they wanted to keep doing this forever so they were like we got to do things that throw them off our trail So they took the bag off and the ligature off.
Next, Angelo got a syringe with a needle. uh that he had for like drugs and he filled the syringe with windex He then injected this into Christina's neck and upper arm.
She immediately went into convulsions because it's cleaning fluid directly into her blood system, but she didn't die.
So next, they dragged Christina over to the outlet of a gas stove in the kitchen and It was waiting to be fitted with a proper pipe, so the line was open.
They propped her against the pipe with it pressed to her neck.
Oh, my God. Then Angelo turned the gas on and off a bunch of times while Bianchi strangled her over and over with the cord.
How the fuck does your mind even think of doing something like that?
This last part took over an hour, Bianchi later confessed.
Over an hour. I just don't even... I don't know how your mind comes up with that.
Like, what? It's... When I read this and that poor girl... rejected him that's it like just was like no i just said no i don't want to go out with you and probably just was like no thank you Because you have that right as a human being to say yes or no to somebody.
Even if she said, go fuck yourself. It doesn't fucking matter.
She just said no. That's all that it took for them to go this far.
To inject Windex into somebody and then like not have it end there. her you hook them up to an oven her i her ordeal It's just unthinkable.
I've literally never even heard of anything like that.
It's unthinkable. It really is. It just like really bums me out.
But that's what they did to her. November 20th. three bodies were discovered in the same day.
Wow. LAPD homicide detective Bob Grogan, who I mentioned earlier.
He was on scene, he was called onto the scene that day.
And I think it was his day off. It was a body that was discovered in the hills between Glendale and Eagle Rock. which means nothing to me because I'm from Massachusetts, but somebody will know where that is.
I looked it up like on Google Maps so I could like kind of get an idea.
Immediately he noted the same ligature marks as the rest.
And he was the first to point out that likely these guys might be necrophiliacs as well.
Oh. He said he just thought they... He's like, it really tracks with how they were.
I think they were. I think that they definitely were... raping these women after they had killed them.
Okay. Now, He believed after the murders that they were not just packing them up and bringing them somewhere that they were keeping them for at least like a little bit. not days but like hours what yeah and he could see needle marks on this body's arm right which is So this was the body of Christina Weckler, obviously.
Christina, I want to talk about her in life now.
She was an honor student at the Pasadena Art Center for Design.
She was very well liked. She was ambitious as fuck.
She was also quiet and just a hard worker.
She kept her apartment like super neat. She laid out her clothing for the next day as well as her pajamas.
I love that. Like, she was just very, like...
And she also was a future thinker. Yeah.
Here's what I'm going to do tomorrow. Right.
And it's like she never could have known.
Like she may have had her like clothing laying on her bed though.
No, she did. She did. When Detective Grogan went into the apartment to look for more.
That's how they found out. He saw all of her things laid out for the next day.
Wow. can you imagine also having that job like going into somebody's apartment and just like realizing like She was thinking about tomorrow like three seconds before she answered the door to Kenneth Bianchi.
Exactly. Or Kenny Bianchi. Kenny Bianchi.
And when they were in there too, Detective Grogan said he saw like this drafting table completely set up with everything laid out to just... create amazing art wow like and he was like for some reason that like really got to me because it was like this was her she would sit there and just do these amazing things and she was giving something to the world exactly They also found a diary that was filled with art, filled with thoughts, and all the thoughts were about her amazing life and how much she loved loved her friends and family.
It was literally just these thoughts of like, I love my family.
I'm so lucky. She's just so full of love.
I'm happy. Here's art. So Detective Grogan was so upset by how alive and full of character her apartment was when he went in there.
Like, he's like, it just really, some of these that's why i like his he's like some of these places just really get to me of course i think of who they are um And he was like, and she just went through such a horrific ordeal in her last moments that it's just seeing how she was in life like really just like bummed me out.
He sat at that art table and read her entire diary that day.
And he also said he immediately bought his own teenage daughter a car. because he was so terrified of her taking a ride or getting on the bus or anything.
He was like, I don't care. I'll just... I'm going to buy her a car.
He also kept the notebook. He didn't immediately put it into evidence because he wanted her parents to have it.
Wow. And he didn't want it to be exploited later for trial.
Well, and it just doesn't really need to be.
Well, he said there's nothing in here that says anything about boyfriends or anything about like...
Anything that could be used in trial isn't in here.
Right. So there's no reason for it to sit on a shelf.
Like her parents. Away from her parents.
And he said he would keep it secret unless one of her friends mentioned that she had a notebook.
Right. like, and then I will have to put it in.
Of course. But he was like, so... He ended up taking Christina's father, Charlie, I believe his name is, out for like a drink. when he flew down to identify her body.
They were in San Francisco. And over drinks, he showed him that notebook.
Wow. And he told him like... If I have to give it over, I will have to, but I'm going to keep it out if I can.
And as soon as the trial's over, I'm giving it to you.
Wow. But he's like, I just can't give it to you yet.
But just to do that, to think of her family in that way, a lot of people wouldn't do that.
No, and he sat in that restaurant and they read the diary to him. together that makes me want to cry again that is something you see in a movie yeah just start crying you'd be like that would not that's never happening but it is And her father ended up writing on top of every single page in the notebook.
You're gonna make me cry copyright 1977 by christina weckler because he said he never wanted someone stealing her work And then he said at least her work can be safe.
That's like the saddest thing ever. Isn't that just like... Yeah, it like gave me a lump in my throat.
These girls are like real people. Of course.
They're not just like strewn on a hillside naked.
Nobody is. So at 4 p.m. the same day, another scene was found because remember, they found three bodies this day.
A nine-year-old boy was playing in this trash pile on a hill near Dodger Stadium.
Why though? He would play there often because he could like find treasures in the trash and like him and his friends would go there and like play.
He had seen what he thought were two mannequins and he went to investigate.
He had gone close to them and soon realized that they were bodies covered in insects and badly battered.
He immediately ran to tell his 17 year old brother. who called the police.
These were the bodies of Dolly and Sonia. the 14 and 12 year olds.
When they spoke to their families, and the girls school, they found a boy who said he was actually on the bus when they got off.
And he said he saw them approach a car's passenger side and talk to two men.
Okay. So he was able to say there were two men in a car.
Good. So November 23rd, the next day, Jane King's body was found, finally, 15 days after she was killed.
In California. She was only found because a highway worker happened to be clearing some stuff off of that ramp and noticed a smell.
Now, after this, a task force was formed to catch the hillside stranglers.
It had a ton of members, I mean, from like different departments.
I think it ended up being growing to like over 100 members.
Wow. Now, Kelly Boyd and Kenny Bianchi got in another fight around this same time.
And for the first time he punched her in the face.
And she's pregnant. She's pregnant. So she moved out for what she said was the final time.
She was like, no, this isn't happening. So he cried, he apologized.
He was, you know, oh my God, I can't believe I did that.
I would never do that. And she was like, but you did though.
He punched a pregnant woman, his pregnant girlfriend, a woman in the face, let alone He punched a pregnant woman in the face.
And so she was like, yeah, I'm not interested in dealing with your shit anymore.
So like you can fuck off. So Thanksgiving comes around because remember we're in November.
Mm-hmm. Angelo and Kenny celebrated together at Angelo's mother Jenny's house.
His daughter Grace was there. She was like 16 at the time.
So she's good enough to make you a Thanksgiving dinner, but she's that cunt?
But she's that cunt. I'm assuming you've listened to part one.
If you're listening to this, he would only refer to his mother.
Angelo as that cunt and like in front of her in front of her in front of everybody like to everybody but she's good enough to make you a fucking turd Oh, yeah.
Well, and you want to hear how horrifying these people are?
No. His daughter Grace, who was 16, was there.
And Angela was saying, like, be careful out there.
That hillside strangler, he's scary and I don't want anything happening to you.
And like was literally like, and Jenny said later, like he was, she was like, oh, he's like being a caring father.
He's being like a dad right now. Like that's weird.
Wow. That's not Angelo, so that's very impressive.
Right. he was like you know like if you need rides like you gotta make sure you're not getting on the bus and all that like knowing like he's that guy and then like and he's having fun doing this like talking to his kid without his kid knowing that's like also almost like torturing his daughter.
Exactly. And then Grace was probably like wow my dad actually cares about me.
Yeah but then later finds out he was just fucking with her for his own like Fun amusement.
Yeah. So November 28th, 1977, they went out driving for another victim because November is not over yet.
It's a month of hell. My God. So they spotted Lauren Wagner outside of a donut shop on Sepulveda Boulevard and They knew she was it because Angelo liked red hair.
Mmm, gross. Hate that. They followed her to her home.
She lived with her parents in a home in a residential area.
They pull up behind her. And they flashed their badges and acted like she had to come to the station with them. like didn't really give her a lot of information but she was like what the fuck this was like 9 p.m at night Right.
And she literally was like, um, my father's in the house literally right there across the street and you can take it up with him.
Yeah. Like she was like, I'm not just going with you.
So once she said that, they just attacked her and threw her and like dragged her into the backseat.
Because they were like, well, she's not going to come.
She fought. And they brought her back to Angelo's and they did the same kind of thing.
I imagine knowing that your father's like a hundred feet away.
Yeah. And not, and. And now her parents know that they were like in bed sleeping while that was happening outside of their house.
I can't. How do you go on? So they did the same kind of thing that they had done with Judith Miller.
And, you know, but this time... They want to try something new again.
So Angelo took electrical wires from the shop.
...strip the rubber ends off of the ends to expose them.
He then taped those parts to her palms... and plugged the other end into the wall to electrocute her.
And it worked, but it didn't kill her. Right.
And he just kept... several times pulling it out and putting it back in to give her jolts of electricity.
What the fuck? Yep. According to Bianchi's later confession, he said, quote, he brought this electrical cord in from the shop and he He's torn off the insulation at the end, taped the wires on her hand and plugged it into the wall.
He did it a bunch of times and she was shaking and moaning, but it didn't work.
So they did the same method with the bag and the cord after that.
So first that happened and then after all of that torture. she's again and they said it was like hours of this of course because they're sick fucks Now November 29th, the next day, 18-year-old Lauren Wagner's nude body was discovered in Mount Washington on Cliff Drive.
And she was like right on the road. Wow.
Unfortunately, you'll stumble upon crime scene photos if you look this up, so just fair warning.
If you go into images, things are going to pop up.
So if you're not down to see that, just warning you, don't do that. um but she was basically halfway on the road like they just dumped her like they just wanted they probably wanted to be like Look another one.
We did it. Now, when she was discovered, they immediately noticed the ligature marks on all the limbs in the neck.
Hillside Strangler calling card. And a closer look revealed that she had this adhesive on her hands from tape.
Was she burnt at all on purpose? In her, yeah, and that clearly tape had been wrapped around them and on her palms there were burn marks, but they were strange looking burn marks.
Right, because it's like a small cord. Yeah, like wires, basically.
Right. So she was identified by her parents, and according to the Darcy O'Brien source that I talked about, Her family was very close.
Like this destroyed them. Her parents and siblings were devastated.
They said Lauren was sweet. just a perfect daughter.
Never any trouble. They never had to even set a curfew for she sewed for everyone she made them dresses she made her mom like a pantsuit She cooked Thanksgiving dinner for them that year.
She was giving, she was kind, a hard worker.
Her mother said that she was worried about the strangler and had warned her to be careful because of the strangler.
So she was like knowing this now is just... Right.
And that she was careful. She was in front of her house.
I was going to say she wasn't... She was just getting out of her car to go into her house.
Like all of these girls, they're just riding the bus.
They're just driving home. She couldn't have avoided this.
They're in their fucking apartment. they're just living they're just living their lives So they said that night before she was going out and had said she was going to be home by 9 p.m.
They had all gone to bed and when they woke up, she wasn't home.
But they did see that our car was still parked out front and when they looked, the door was open.
Oh, God. So the father immediately went to all the neighbors and asked if they had seen Lauren.
And the one across the street, a woman who was in her late 50s, I think her name was Bella Stouffer.
She told him that she did see Lauren around 9 p.m. pulling in.
And she said she had pulled over and parked and then two men in another car had talked with her.
And she said it looked like they were arguing a little bit.
And she said what she last saw, she had gotten into the car with them.
Oh God. Now, she was literally coming home from being out and was just ambushed and abducted feet from her door.
Right. Now, when Detective Grogan talked to the neighbor that night after speaking with Lauren's family, She told him she didn't know if it was Lauren at first, so that's why she didn't say anything.
Right. and she was scared but she would also she said i just received a phone call before you came here And she was like, what kind of phone call?
And she said it was a man with a New York accent who called her and said to keep her mouth shut about what she saw last night or they were going to kill her.
What the fuck? How did they even know that she saw them?
So what had happened was she had a dog. A Doberman.
And the Doberman was starting to bark. Right.
And her husband was like in the bath. in the back of the house so he wasn't hearing what was going on but so she went outside to see what the dog was barking about the dog was barking at the her being about stranglers and so she crouched down with the dog and was like watching what was going on.
But she wasn't letting all this on because I think she was embarrassed that she didn't do more.
Yeah, of course. And so they saw that they heard the dog and they knew the dog was barking.
It was probably an alert more people. Right.
And Angelo later said he thought he saw a woman crouched next to the dog.
So he got one of his ex-girlfriends who worked for like a phone company to trace the number of where she lived so that he could make that call.
Wow. Yeah. It's really wild. And the neighbor also said that she heard Lauren scream, you'll never get away with this, as they dragged her off.
She finally did admit to them, to this neighbor, She said she had been attacked and raped when she was younger.
And she said she was literally paralyzed with fear watching this.
And she said it just brought her to a place.
She like just didn't know how to react. And so, and I guess she was like literally having like asthma attacks while she was talking to them.
Like she was literally like breaking down.
Yeah, like she was literally like probably having like panic attacks.
And she was able to say one had bushy hair And she said the other one was taller and younger and had acne scars on his neck.
That was Kenneth Bianchi. Good for her though, for like being able to like, I was going to say like, why didn't she call the police when she saw that?
But obviously like, you don't know what it's like to go through that.
Yeah. and it's one of those things that like I wish she called the police obviously but like we don't know what that feels like I don't I've never been in that situation no and then the other thing is at least they didn't like because they called her and were like keep your fucking mouth shut at least she didn't like she wasn't intimidated and she could have not said anything good for her um But police did put like a police protective thing on her home because they were worried.
Yeah, good. Now it's details like the electrocution marks and the gassing of Christina Weckler that they kept out of the press.
They were not going to put those little details in because they wanted someone that knew that shit firsthand.
Because if somebody's going to get interviewed or interrogated and is going to mention something about that, they're going to go Well, only you would know that.
And later Bianchi freely admits those things and solidifies the fact that he was the killer.
Like, he brings those things up in later interviews when they were never released to the public.
And at this time, the same time that all this is going on in California, there's another murderer that's going around and he was called the trash bag murderer or the freeway murderer.
And we're going to cover this case for sure because it's wild.
But his name was Patrick Wayne Kearney. He would kidnap, rape, murder, and dismember young men and boys, mostly young runaways and hitchhikers.
And then he would scatter their body parts in trash bags all over Los Angeles on the sides of freeways.
He was also a necrophiliac. Ew. He killed at least 21 men and boys between the ages of 5 and 28.
Five. So at this point, no one's feeling safe.
Boys, men, women. Girls, couples, no one's safe in California at this point.
I can't imagine that. I can't imagine living there at that time.
I literally can't imagine being in California.
You also have to wonder how many people like up and moved their families because you do hear all the time about people like up and moving if you're able to. too yeah if you have the means to do it i probably would have yeah right like i feel like we have to out of here but hopefully you'd have the means to do that but imagine I mean up and moving and family is a lot of money and time and finding a new job but it's like what do you do it's what do you do yeah I have no idea.
And then it's like, you know, you don't want to give in to like fear.
You want to live your life the way that you. like plan of course you don't want to let these people direct you know chase you out of their your home that you've had but it's like what do you I cannot.
How do you send your kids out? Imagine. Like, how do you go out?
I would. And like, there was no like. all like security systems back then.
Like there wasn't fucking simply safe. Exactly.
So it's like you're really relying on like a big dog locking your door.
I wonder if like dogs... adoption surged.
Well, what did surge is like, you know, mace.
Oh, yeah. Self-defense classes were going crazy.
Gun sales, locks were being like like when Richard Ramirez. was out there going crazy.
Same thing. Oh, yeah. People just started going crazy trying to defend themselves.
Locks and everything. People didn't lock their doors before this.
Yeah, people were just buying locks finally.
Or buying extra locks to just really secure the place because I'd have 85 locks on my house.
There's no crime where we are. I already have like a bitch has like 86 bajillion fucking things exactly Drew was like, we don't need more entry sensors.
I was like, we need 78. John's always like Fort Knox.
All right. I'm like, yep. That's right.
So Lauren Wagner became the eighth victim of the Hillside Stranglers.
Together they would do 10 that we know of that they were convicted of, but Kenny Bianchi later goes rogue and goes by himself and kills two more.
We will be covering the ninth victim, Kimberly Martin. in the next part, and we will also cover the two victims that Kenny Bianchi did by himself.
We're also going to talk about the trial and we'll talk about some of those weird things that happened after all of this.
Right. think this is where we will end it for today.
Wow. Because I have nothing left in me I need to walk away from this for a minute because this is just...
One of the most horrific. I knew they were bad.
I didn't know they were this bad. I didn't know that they were this, but I thought it was just strangling.
I didn't know that they literally hooked a young woman up to a fucking... oven and then put a bag over her head yeah I didn't know that the torture was so extensive electrocuted somebody like yeah Yeah, I just don't understand how your brain gets that... Like, how does the human brain... compute those thoughts i truly have no idea how do the neurons fire and come up with that i really have no idea And it's like Lauren Wagner, Christina Weckler, Jane King, Dolly Sepeda.
Sonya Johnson, I mean, Lissa Kasten. All of them deserved to live.
I mean, they were all so alive and had so much happening and so much ahead of them.
It just sucks. Like you read this and you're like... And they were just going about their life.
Like they had no idea that... Like to think that that's how you're...
Halfway through your day. Kristen Reckler was in her own apartment.
Yeah. Just like ending the night. You just open the door and that's how your life ends.
Like Dolly and Sonia. You go through unthinkable times. torture after that our babies thinking that they're going home to their parents after like hanging out together yeah It's just like, really, it's just a lot.
It is. Taken, but... We will end it there.
We are going to have part three, which will be coming this week.
Hang tight, and trust me, these assholes get caught, so we'll at least have that. to look forward to and you know uh angela's dead so we get to talk about that I'm like in a state of just like I don't know if you can see I'm just like nodding at you right now but like I'm not here And we'll get into the Veronica Compton of it all.
The girl who decided that she was going to kill for Kenny Bianchi and try to make it looked like he wasn't the guy.
What a choice, you dumb bitch. So she's also in prison.
So we'll talk about all of that. because it gets interesting after.
It gets more like the trials, especially with cases like this once we get through this like really gnarly stuff we can start talking about them getting getting what they deserve right All right.
Well, we hope that you keep listening. And we hope you keep it working. weird she doesn't have her in her to end it anyway yeah this was not that weird yeah definitely don't That's not even weird.
Fuck these guys. I gotta go. Fuck these guys.
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