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Hey weirdos, I'm Elena. I'm Ash. And this is Morbid.
Whoop whoop. Morbid. Hello. That's what we are.
Talk about a bunch of morbid things here.
That's what we do. That's what we've been doing. welcome to the crew hey i don't have any more rhymes You know what?
It didn't even occur to me that you were rhyming.
I know it did. I was just over here in my own little world.
I could see it on your face. You were just like, yeah, totally.
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Not for him. Brokeback Mountain. Brokeback Mountain. iconic film okay quit you I love it well I think one thing we just wanted to touch upon because it shocked me. both of us terrifying is that condo collapse in miami florida Is like breaking my heart, shocking my brain.
I just cannot get over it. I just don't understand how that happens.
Like, how do you neglect a building for that long?
I'm very interested to see what comes out about it. what was going on there because I think it was built with like, you know, cement and like rebar and all that.
So I, I don't know if there was something like they should have been taking care of it or fixing something.
Right. That, I mean, the video that came out of it is absolutely horrifying.
And I think there's 99 people still unaccounted for.
Four people are dead now it's horrifying well and just to see like all the family members of just like their mom lived there their sister lived there it's yeah how do you i just can't even imagine like putting my brain through that i don't know how they went to sleep last night like any of them and we're able to even take a moment to breathe because like all the pictures of everybody missing and it just makes you want to i got like a lump in my throat this morning Because I just pictured knowing that your loved one is trapped under that rubble.
Under like rubble, yeah. And you can't do anything.
It's just like you're totally helpless. Totally helpless.
Like, oh, it just really breaks my heart.
So we wanted to send our love and thoughts to, you know, all our...
All our Florida weirdos and all our Miami weirdos and...
I really hope none of you have family members that are involved in this, but if you do. like we are sending so many thoughts and like love to you.
But it's just really sad. So we just wanted to talk about it really quick because we were like really bummed out about it this morning.
Yeah. And hopefully we get some good news out of it.
I hope some good stories come out where people manage to be found alive.
Exactly. We'll definitely keep paying attention to that.
But we are... Going to continue on with our series about John Edward Wilson.
Robinson. Do we have to? Let me tell ya.
This guy. I'm actually joking. I'm very intrigued to see what happens next.
This... guy i mean it's like truly it's the cojones on this oh you think you you think you know No, I really don't, though.
You think you know. I don't. You don't know.
I know I don't. I ruined your bit because I don't know.
No one knows. No one knows. Now, I want to plug one more time the book, Anyone You Want Me To Be.
John Douglas was like a huge part of this book.
Everybody knows John Douglas. He's huge in the true crime world.
Hello, mind. Hunter. And it was written with Stephen Singular and they did I'm telling you, read this book.
I have it on the Kindle Cloud Reader and it is...
Unbelievable. I've read it cover to cover in two nights.
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And we love John Douglas. Do you ever just feel like we're doing like book reports sometimes?
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I love a book report. You gotta read this, y'all.
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Hello. just amazingly told. I mean, they go into so much detail.
There's so much more detail about this stuff that I can't even go into, so you gotta read the book because the sheer, the vast amount of fraud, scamming, of you know, just all kinds of shit that this dude, I mean, like, affairs he the amount of fares this man was having while being a father and a grandfather and also a scam artist and a murderer is like outrageous.
He was living so many lives. Outrageous.
Go read the book because after you listen to the episode because it's so amazing.
All right. So when we last talked to you in part one, and by the way, this is going to be a three-parter, but you're getting two parts like boom, boom, right?
One after the other, because... I can't make you wait.
Because hi, I love you. We just love you and I don't want to make you wait because it's too crazy of a story to not tell you all at once.
So the last time we talked to you guys, I was telling you about Lisa Stasi and her four-month-old daughter, Tiffany.
Okay. Also, can we talk about how freaking beautiful Lisa Stassi was? dropped like a knockout stunning and just has one of those faces where i feel like she would like I feel like she would wave to people in her car like I feel like she's like a nice person she does I do that and Elena makes fun of me But I feel like Lisa Stasi would have my back on that.
I love that you're like, you know what? I feel like we have that.
I feel that. Yeah, she just, she has, she was, I mean, stunning.
Stunning. In Little Tiffany. Oh my God, in Tiffany. tiffany or heather heather tiffany now oh my goodness she was just and she's Jill is beautiful, but she was like, oh my God, as a baby, I was just like, oh my goodness.
Well, what we found out was that John Edward Robinson ended up tricking Lisa Stassi into thinking she was going to get into a program that him and local businessmen were running to kind of help She was a single mom.
She was going through rough times. She had come out of an abusive relationship.
She had a four-month-old baby daughter that she was trying to take care of.
And what he ended up doing was putting her up in a hotel room making her sign a bunch of blank sheets of paper and address a bunch of envelopes.
And then what they think happened, and we will find out later why they think this, because they don't have her body.
They've never found Lisa Stassi. We do not know where she is.
They believe she was likely bludgeoned to death.
And then Tiffany, who is now known as Heather, was given to John's mother. his brother Donald, his younger brother Donald, who was going through infertility troubles with his wife, Donald didn't know any of this.
Yeah. Donald basically was under the impression that his brother was...
He was a business guy. He'd been on a lot of different things in the community.
He had a lot of community connections. And he had basically made him think that he had gone through normal ways to get an adoption going.
Because he forged all these papers and stuff.
He forged papers with a lawyer, with a judge.
I mean, he had full blown adoption papers and he was, he, he had him basically pay him money to adopt this child.
Which is so fucked because you know that that just went directly to him and like not to anything.
Absolutely, it did. And I mean, and then he started then Lisa's family started getting letters that were typed from apparently from her.
But she couldn't type. She couldn't really type.
They said it just wasn't her in those letters.
Obviously she had signed pieces of paper, so he had her signature.
Oh my goodness. All very fucked up. So that's where we kind of left you.
Everyone kind of stopped looking for Lisa Stasi at this point because those letters came in and she had basically said she was fine, she was starting a new life with her baby, and this man named Bill.
And John Robinson had told everybody, yeah, she just took off with this guy named Bill DeColorado and I think they're happy and everything's great.
So the police were like, well, she's 19 years old.
She's an adult. Meanwhile, she called her.
What was it? Her mother in law that she was on the phone with.
Yeah, so she had gone, just to give you a little recap. cap of that just because it does play in later.
So there was a night it was like a horrific snowstorm.
Lisa had left the hotel with her baby daughter to go to her sister-in-law's house.
She was kind of telling her sister-in-law that John was weird.
She wasn't sure if this situation was what it was, what it was supposed to be.
Her sister-in-law Kathy was very concerned and was like, yeah, I'd really prefer you just to stay here.
But John ended up, because he had also made her write down the names, addresses, and phone numbers of people close to her, he had called Kathy's house. looking for lisa and the baby right he showed up in a snowstorm parked down the way so that he wasn't even in front of the house and he came and literally collected them.
It's so scary. And then that same night she called her mother-in-law.
It was either the same night or the night after.
I think it was the same night that she called her mother-in-law sobbing hysterically.
And her mother in law was like, what is going on?
And she was telling her, you know, they're telling me that you're going to you're gonna take Tiffany if I don't sign these papers and like make sure I'm the guardian of her.
Like what? And she's like, I'm not going to take your baby.
Like, no, I would never do that. Like, no, no, no.
Like they're lying. And then she said, do not sign anything.
And she said, I already did. Already did.
And then she said something along the lines of they're here.
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That is, could you imagine if that was the last conversation you had with your daughter-in-law?
I can't even. fathom. That's so terrifying.
I can't even fathom. And that was the last time they saw her and they believe now that that night that he took her from her sister-in-law's house and spoke to her mother-in-law that he bludgeoned her to death.
And there were other people involved. Yeah.
I mean, they think so. That's one of the things that has never been proven in this case, though.
The fact that she said... they're here.
Yeah. But they can't connect to anybody.
Can't connect. But for me, I'm like, Like, spoiler alert, they've never connected another person to him.
That is so crazy. And that does become a thing where we're going to talk about probably in part three, that they... at one point are like, there has to be more people.
But then they kind of teeter on that and they're like, no i think it is just him i mean other people are involved in like fringe ways sure You know, like, you know, people that he knew that would like have connections and stuff, but like in the actual act of what he did.
Some people think that he may have had people do his dirty work at some point, but later it became just him.
Gotcha. So here we are. So Robinson had kept Lisa and baby Tiffany. in this hotel with two other women that he had picked up through Birthright and Truman Medical Center. which are like birthright was the place for like single young mothers.
By all accounts, those other two women were doing like all right, In the sense that they were alive.
That's all we have. They were still around.
We knew where they were. Stephen Hames was the probation officer that we talked about in part one where he was the one who knew this guy's number from the get-go.
I love that expression. He got his number.
I got your number. So everyone else was like, he's a con man.
He wants to make money. He's just a, you know, this is just a con man.
He's not, like, dangerous. He's not going to, like, hurt anyone, like, physically, he's just going to steal from everybody and like screw people over.
And Stephen Hames was like, no, this guy is dangerous.
He's going to escalate. I know it. He knew his pathology and people weren't listening to him. but what he said, and this is from the book, he said, quote, what really got my attention in 1984 was the initial call from births that said he was trying to do something very suspicious with a young girl and a baby.
This doesn't fit with him. It doesn't fit with a good con man because they go around the block to avoid hurting people. because they're smart enough to know the penalties when people get hurt are much more significant.
So yeah, he's saying The way he was working initially was to get money.
To get money, money, money. That was all he was trying to get. and he was trying to like you know pass off this facade and all that and he was like you know hurting people physically is a whole new level.
Usually they don't cross into that. That's not a thing that they do.
But he was like, I knew it. As soon as anything Things were going awry.
I was like, he's involved. Right. So that same year in 1984, he met a 21-year-old woman. named Teresa Williams.
Now, she was in Kansas City initially from Boise, Idaho. they met like kind of offhandedly at like a McDonald's and he just walked right up to her because remember, He's all about walking up to ladies, flattering them.
Yeah, he was doing it to his neighbors. Yeah, he talks very sexually explicitly to them.
Like, he's gross. Ew. And he just walked right up to her.
He started flattering her. He said he would love to give her a good life that she deserved.
And she was kind of on hard times. I'd be like, you're at McDonald's.
What are you going to give me? What are you going to give me?
And she was like, I'm basically... Desperate at this point.
And he is a charmer. You will see... There's, I can't even, I don't understand what is going on here because he is able to convince women to do... outrageous things.
He has like a John Wayne Gacy kind of like face.
Oh, he's very John Wayne Gacy-ish. any, you could see how it would be very easy to be schmoozed by him.
Like, he doesn't look i mean knowing what you know now like you kind of look at him a little differently but if i saw him on the street i'd just be like oh that's like a dad Oh, no, literally part of the reason he was able to do this for so long is he looks like a friendly grandpa.
Especially now, and back then, he was a grandfather in the 2000s, so when he was really doing his shit, he looked like a grandpa, which is fucked.
So scary. And back then he had a very like, In the book, a lot of times, John Douglas points to the fact that he has this very round face, which can make people feel It's weirdly like, like it has a kind look about it.
Yeah, it's just psychology. Yeah. It's just like, it's just our evolutionary things that we look at like around You know, kind of... I don't even know how to explain it.
It's just he has that kind of face. And he has like... eyes that almost like sometimes can almost look kind okay i was gonna say that and then i didn't want to sometimes they're terrifying There's certain pictures where you're like, oh, there it is.
But it's like even like Ted Bundy. Like people thought he was so handsome.
Exactly. Which is like... you know, troublesome and everything.
But then like people would say his eyes would flash into this like different, like animalistic kind of thing. all you have to do with Ted Bundy because of course everybody like it's that's a big thing but like some people think he's attractive some people don't I don't know it's like Neither here nor there.
And it's really not the important part of it.
It just became such an important part of his identity as a serial killer.
Because that is how he was able to lure a lot of women to help him.
He had a face that you weren't scared of.
That's just unfortunately the facts of the case.
The fact those eyes can just switch. There is one video from his trial And I point to it every time when people say like, I, you know, like it's so scary, like he looked so like normal and like just look at that trial video where they tried to grab his arm to bring him out of the trial like cuz he's you know the defendant even though he was being his own lawyer and They grab his arm to walk him out of the thing, and he rips his arm away in the flash face that he gives that bailiff.
Like he wanted to murder him right then and there.
And you look at that and you say that's what those women saw.
That face right there is the face that all those women saw, the survivors, the victims, all of them all saw that face.
Mm-hmm. And it's like, that's the fucking monster right there.
And he hides it real well sometimes, but they can't hide it forever.
And it's like that's that one video always freaks me the fuck out because you just see him. on a dime it just that's and you know that's what they all saw which is so horrifying that it went from like this normal 70s dude to that right and it's like in the and that's like kind of like this guy too it's true and this guy And John Wayne Gacy too, he had that like round, you know, kind of plump face and he was like, a good like goofy guy and just like, hey, I'm John Wayne Gacy.
They're all John. Love you, John. My John.
Yeah, right. But like they're all John. john and so you trusted john yeah you know like help it's john i mean ted bundy's name is fucking theodore Theodore, it's just Johnny over here.
You know, like, who's going to get upset about a John?
Good fellas. but you should get upset about these Johns.
But yeah, he, you know, so he when he came up to this woman, Teresa Williams in the McDonald's he was flattering her, you're beautiful, you know, somebody needs to, you know, lift you up somebody needs to like give you things and make you happy and make you comfortable and like you deserve love and all this she was psyched yeah obviously remember he's married with children And still acting like a very good member of society at this point.
I mean, he was like... Again, a Sunday school teacher.
He was part of the Homeowners Association.
He was reffing his son's soccer games. He was going to church.
He was doing all kinds of shit just to be like, BTK-ish like just pretend to be this good dad um But either way, anyways, he had her move into those duplex apartments that he had because he had several properties, apartments. that he would rent.
He would also bring girls to these motels, which we'll talk about in a little while.
But he had turned these apartments into basically like bordellos, like he was putting girls in there, and then he was forcing them to perform sexual favors.
Oy vey. But he was also like pretty out front having her work as a sex worker, kind of just being like, with like his friends and clients.
So he basically brought her in here. And was like, yeah, I'm going to take care of you.
But like, this is what you need to do. And she was just kind of like, what is she going to do?
Yeah, you're trapped at this point. And it was all very rough stuff.
Like I said before, he was into BDSM, but he was not...
And I know I do this every time we talk about BDSM, but I just really think it's important not to like fuck with people's kinks.
So it's like, I know there's a lot, I'm sure people listening are part of that community and I don't want anyone to be like, well, that's not what it's about.
Yeah, no, we're not here to offend anybody.
So I always want to say that BDSM in reality, like a real BDSM relationship is about trust.
That's the main thing that is part of a BDSM relationship.
There's like safe words. Submissives have trust of their doms.
Doms show compassion and trust to their submissives.
It's not about like completely owning someone.
It's not like 50. shades of gray well and it's not like it's not inflicting pain without any kind of like pleasure involved or any kind of like discussion or trust involved and that's not what he was into he was into owning a woman out of their control, out of their wishes, out of any kind of discussion of like safe words or anything.
And that's like really fucked up. And he was also involving his friends who were into this like really intense thing. offshoot of bdsm he was involving them in with this girl i mean putting her in this this is rape 100%.
Yeah. And it's just like torture. Yeah. It's basically torture because this is not, there's no discussion here.
And even when he would do, because as we will see, he liked to do instead of the Dom sub kind of thing. he did master slave, which is, which is a totally different thing.
And what he would do is he would give some of these girls contracts, which is... typical in BDSM relationships to have written things down. that like you know i think i think it's like because i did a lot of research about this because i always want to be like careful to not like offend think i know what that is when i don't so if i'm you know if i'm wrong on any of this by all means like We never want to get that kind of stuff wrong.
But from what I have read is Like there's always some kind of written agreement or verbal agreement involved where like you tell each other what your boundaries are.
Right. Like doms should know their subs boundaries and they don't cross those boundaries because the whole point is pleasure with pain.
Right. not just pain and so and like they're safe words there's all that and people It's supposed to be trust.
You trust that they're not going to cross those boundaries.
He would have a contract, a slave contract is what he called it. which is really fucked up.
And in these things, he would lay out these things that he would expect from his sex slave. and what he expected as their master, their sex master.
And he would constantly cross All of those boundaries.
Those contracts meant nothing. And also the contracts themselves were usually way over the top.
And these women were not comfortable with them but he didn't care.
But they had their choice. He would just make them sign them anyway.
So this is just such a different offshoot of BDSM.
It's like even weird to call it BDSM. But either way, so she was working, being forced to work as a sex worker, living in this apartment that he's renting. um all really rough terrible stuff and she was in the apartment which is now being investigated like Oh, wow.
Yeah. So she's in there and they're starting to get his number a bit.
Not as much as they will later, but... Once Lisa Stasi and her baby Tiffany went missing, Stephen Hames, that probation officer, he was like, now it's time to... kick this into high gear.
He's like, does anybody want to listen to me?
And he was like, we're finding Lisa Stassi.
Like he was like, we're finding her in this baby because at this point they didn't know where the baby was either.
Right. So he's like, we got to find these people.
So he met with Robinson himself in January 1985.
And he just blatantly asked him about Lisa and Tiffany.
Wow. Robinson was like, I don't really have any real information about her whereabouts, but I think she's off with some guy or But he was like, you know what, I'm just really upset because I'm trying to do this nice stuff.
And I'm trying to be like a philanthropist and I'm trying to help these women.
I'm just trying to help my community and people.
It's out of the goodness of my heart. And like people are accusing me of doing something bad now.
Like that's really fucked up. Like he was acting like, how dare you?
Dude, it is so wild to me. how people not only can lie like that, like I can't lie to save my fucking life.
I definitely couldn't lie like that. to make it's crazy how people can make you feel insane. yeah like you know what i mean like you're like full-blown gaslighting he's just trying to help them i'm such an asshole like you're like oh shit maybe i'm being a dick Obviously, this guy, Stephen Hames, is it?
Yeah. Obviously, he's realizing that this guy is a crock of shit.
But if I was in that position, I'd be like, what? well, I'm a fucking asshole.
You'd be like, well, shit, I'm just accusing this philanthropist and pillar of his community.
Really? The Sunday school teacher, grandfather, father, lawnmower, homeowners association president.
How dare him? Of murdering a young mother and her baby infant.
Like, how terrible am I? It's just so bananas to have the power to lie like that.
Yeah. Well, and Stephen Hames, of course, was like, so Hames was like, well, what are you getting out of all these like good deeds?
Like, why are you doing this? Why are you doing this?
And he was like, I just get the satisfaction of helping people.
And Hames was like, immediately I was like, sus, sus, sus.
He was like, nope, don't feel, I do not get that from you.
He's like, I know the world, everybody wants to Well and also he was like, I know people who do things out of the kindness of their heart.
Yeah. You're not one of them. You're not it.
Like, it's just that you don't. He knows. he was like I knew people I had seen a lot of bad guys I had seen a lot of guys who had made mistakes and came around this was not that guy Right, and it's like this guy has a past of conning people.
Exactly. Like you don't suddenly turn around to help everybody.
Which, physically hurting people he doesn't have yet.
Well, he does, but not that they know of.
Right. But... You're still financially, mentally, emotionally, like spiritually, psychologically harming people.
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So Hames immediately was determined to find Lisa and Tiffany, or at least find out what happened.
This was like his new, like, fuck this guy I'm gonna take him down and Stephen Haymes is a big part of this whole thing and like he did not give up on this rock on rock on Haymes So he met with Robinson again with another probation officer, and he told them... that a man named Bill, he was like, all right, I know more.
He's like, the guy's name is Bill who picked up Lisa.
He said he picked him up at the roadway inn Lisa and Tiffany, this guy Bill did.
That's where they last were, and they had gone off to Colorado, and that's the last he heard of them.
He was like, I was going to help her, but this guy came along.
They fell in love. They're going to have a family.
It's great. Which sounds like a pretty normal story.
You're like, awesome. Yeah. Well, they checked with the hotel manager, of course, because... paper trails.
And that manager said, well, I last saw Lisa and Tiffany leave with John Robinson when they checked out.
So lies immediately because he's saying this guy checked them out like that was it.
No. She's saying, nope, they left with him.
So how would you not think of that, dude?
You've been a con artist for how long? That's the thing.
He did think of that. Oh. But he doesn't care.
But so what if the hotel manager said that?
I don't give a shit. He's like, I'm saying this.
This is what I'm saying. And so far his whole life that's worked.
That's crazy. So what if I don't have any of these credentials?
I'm saying I do. Right. And you'll hire me anyways.
He learned that real quick. So what if I just got arrested and I could face jail time?
I won't. That's literally his whole life.
That's his MO. He's just conditioned. Now, during the course of this investigation...
They had spoken to several women connected to him that they knew were in the apartments at some point or another because they had been kind of watching them a little bit.
And they'd spoken to two women in particular who had lied for him. and said that at one point or another that Tiffany and Lisa had stayed with them.
Okay. And they finally talked to law enforcement again and said, we lied.
We lied for him. And they said, we want to tell you. but he had shit on us like he would take nude photos of us.
That becomes his thing. This dude is a piece of shit.
Whenever he would get a woman out there, he would immediately take nude, explicit, sexually suggestive photos of them.
Blackmail. And then he would use it as blackmail so that they would have to be on his side.
They would have to be loyal to him. He would have complete power.
What? That is so fucking twisted. And to lie to.
To do this to two women, to make them lie about a 19-year-old mother and her infant baby's whereabouts? is wrong with you.
What the fuck? And it's like for them to feel they had to do that, he must have threatened the shit out of them.
Oh, obviously. So the FBI was already involved here now. uh because again there's a baby involved like this is getting bigger uh And they had they had a previous partner in some of his like previous like money schemes because again read the book because there's so many other money schemes that happen that like are just There's so many you can't even talk about them all.
He had a previous partner in one and his name was Irvin Blattner.
He was like an ex-con. And so they decided to get in touch with him, the FBI, and they were like, I'm pretty sure we can turn him into an informant because...
He probably will. He'll probably sing. Why not?
Like if we offer him something, I'm sure he'll be like, sure.
Let's do it. So then they're going to go through his record.
So they're starting to go through his records.
They're starting to go through all the scams that he has committed because now the FBI eyes looking into this and they're like, What the fuck, guys?
They're like, how the fuck did this dude just float through?
Just fly under the radar like that. this so they're like okay well now we gotta like we gotta do something here because like he's clearly escalating and he's clearly been allowed to skate through this life here.
So what they do is they set up a sting operation and they had a female agent meet with Robinson.
And this female agent would ask him about getting a job because that was his thing.
He gets females who are down on their luck.
He says he's going to get them a job and then... something happens boom so she posed as a sex worker and he told her he ran a business and employed sex workers for high class clientele like lawyers and doctors and CEOs and shit.
But he was like, just so you know, the sex is going to involve some sadomasochism and torture.
Are you into that? So basically saying she would be hired as a submissive to be a sex slave to a master.
Then she went back to the FBI with all the wire info, because obviously she was wired.
And she was willing, she was like, I'll keep going undercover.
Like I'll keep doing this. What a bad bitch.
She was like, I will keep doing this. But they pulled the operation because they were worried for herself. safety if they sent her too deep into this.
I would be terrified. If... After that conversation, I'd be like, for sure, for sure.
And then I'd go back and I'd be like, I'm ahead.
I'm a head-o. I'm going to take my vacation this week.
I need to unwind. she was like i'm an fbi agent i will do this shit but they were like we're gonna keep you alive honey That's why I'm not an FBI agent.
Yeah, we don't want something happening to you.
So she's a badass. Hell yeah. Like, she's just awesome.
But they were like, no, we don't want to lose you.
And they were like, the way he was talking, the way he was negotiating with you was...
Scary. Like it was evil. So then they called Truman Medical Center staff and they said, hey, those two women that you referred to him, that are still staying with him, We need to get them out of that hotel immediately.
And they were, and they did, they got them out.
So they were okay. But they were literally like, we need to get them the fuck away from him right now.
And you need to not refer women to him because we're trying to figure this out.
Imagine getting that call and you're the one that referred them.
You'd feel so terrible. Oh, unreal. Or like being the person that referred Lisa Stassi, I can't imagine.
That person didn't do her job. Oh, yeah, because we spoke about that.
That person, I think, that social worker...
And got into trouble later, yes? She did, yeah.
And that's, she didn't do her job. Let's do our jobs.
Let's do our jobs, folks. When we get paid for jobs, let's do our jobs.
Yeah, especially when it involves a 19-year-old single mother and her four-month-old baby.
Let's be a little more like... Let's clock in that day and get to it.
Let's do all those diligences. Let's make sure we, we, cross all those i's and we dot all those t's please no matter how psychotic it makes your writing look exactly So at this time, in early 1985, randomly out of nowhere, he decided he was like, he made Teresa Williams dress up to the nines one day.
He handed her $1,200. Okay. He said, you're going to go to a park.
He's like, I have a job for you. You're going to go to a park.
You're going to wait in that park. You're going to wait for a limo that's going to pull up and get you.
And he was like, and you're going to do whatever that person tells you to do.
And she was like, okay. So she did and a limo pulled up and she got in, the driver blindfolded her. drove her to a mansion she went inside and a man in his 60s who she was told to call the judge what the fuck Brought her down into a sex dungeon basement that he had.
He strapped her to a rack... Like a medieval torture rack.
And he started stretching her. Until she almost passed out.
What the fuck? And she finally released her after basically almost like killing her. and immediately sent her back in the limo, back to Robinson.
Robinson was pissed. because she didn't satisfy the judge because she was supposed to stay there.
He was pissed that she was being whiny about it.
Being whiny about being strict. He took back the money he gave her, the $1,200, and hit her.
And it was getting like really rough. Oh my goodness.
Then he left her. He just left her in the apartment.
She's like so upset. Then like soon after this, he randomly shows up at her apartment.
She's sleeping. He rips her out of bed, throws her on the floor, stuck a gun in her face. that he kept in a shoulder holster, by the way, because, oh, so cool.
And she was freaking out. And he told her if she didn't be quiet, he would blow her brains out.
And he pulled the trigger in front of her face and the gun went click.
There were no bullets in the gun. Oh, shit.
And this is a trigger warning for rape. He then raped her with the gun and left.
Oh, no. No, no, no. Now, in March 1985, the same year, Irvin Blattner, the partner that they were going to The FBI was going to try to get to turn on him, the previous partner.
Sure. turned on him like they thought he would.
Yeah, of course. Immediately. He signed a statement that basically confirmed that Robinson was the perpetrator of of a shit ton of financial scams.
He was like, I can tell you every role he has had in everyone.
He's like, here's financial scam A through Z. Literally.
Do you have time? Here's the... you know, every other alphabet you can think of amount.
So March 21st to 1985 Robinson came in for his regular probation meeting and was immediately arrested because now they got him.
So he was booked into the Clay County jail.
And while he was there, he suddenly was like, hey, guys, I know where Lisa and Tiffany are.
By the way, does anyone want to know? And they were like, yeah.
And he was like, they're safe. They're doing fine.
And they were like, cool. He got released on $50,000 bond.
Why? He paid it. So now June 7th. Hames and two FBI agents went to the apartments unannounced to try to catch him off guard because that didn't work now.
He got out on bond. What are we going to do?
And so because they're like, we got to get more stuff.
And as we'll see later, the DA when it comes to like the 2000s, you know what I mean, like way later, The DA that they have, Paul Morrison, does it so smartly because He's like, I know that everybody's getting frustrated and they want us just to jump in and arrest him.
But we have to be strategic. But he has slipped through the cracks and... every fucking time that someone is arrested and we are not going to be a next in line to let him go free and do this.
So he like really bides his time and really gathers as much as he can to make sure that it's like airtight and it pays off.
I love it. So thank you for that. Cause I needed to, obviously I know he gets apprehended, but I just, I needed that.
It's a good payoff along the way. So Hames, two FBI agents in June, they show up at the apartments unannounced.
They want to start a You know, they wanted to see Williams, Teresa Williams, and they want to like just try to catch everybody off guard.
So she's there and they ask her about him and she's lying.
Right. For him. Because she's terrified.
And saying she works for his company. And once they're like...
Yeah, like, that's cool. You know, two women he worked with previously have gone missing and we're pretty sure he murdered them and a baby as well, right?
Like, you know you know that right like you're comfortable with that and like you realize that like you're probably likely next right like he's doing the literal same thing to you she began sobbing oh told them the whole truth of course she told them everything And then she revealed that after that incident where he raped her with a gun, he showed back up to Teresa and he tells her he needs her to help him get out of this Irvin thing.
So Irvin Blattner, the previous partner that was like singing like a canary.
Mm-hmm. Apparently, he had gotten wind of it.
He went to Teresa and he was like, you need to help me. i wonder how he got wind of that he knows everything that's crazy so he told her You need to write fake diary entries to discredit Irvin and say he was trying to kill you.
So that when they bring him in to try to come against me, it's all going to be discredited because he's a fucking asshole. wow so basically yeah it's insane so it would look like too on top it's got like a dual purpose Because it's like he's going to make Blattner look stupid on the stand if he ever went against him saying all this financial stuff because he's going to discredit him. says you're a fucking crazy person who wants to kill this woman right and on top of that If he decides to kill Teresa Williams, they're going to think that Irving did it.
Now it looks like, if she goes missing, it looks like Blattner. was the murderer and killed him.
So he can use it in several ways. So he also had her put all her belongings in the storage place that he had. and told his lawyer to find the diary in the event of Irvin testifying in the future.
The fuck? Like had his lawyer ready to go get that diary at a moment's notice.
Yeah, so for her doing this diary, this fake diary entry, Robinson promised, he said, like, What I'm going to give you is I promise not to kill you.
Awesome. Thank you. That's cool. And I'll also take you to the Bahamas on June 15th.
I don't want to go to the Bahamas with you because I feel like, you know, people out there and it's not going to be a vacation.
And he was like, well, he was like, you know what?
I'll send you to the Bahamas and like you can have a vacation.
And he's like, you can get away and that'll be your like fake death.
So that if this really does go the way we need it to, your last entry was going to be June 15th.
And then no one will see you again. He was not sending her to the Bahamas.
No, of course he wasn't. wow he took all her shit and put it in storage so that he could just make her disappear wow So with all of this info, they were like, okay.
She must have been terrified. So they're like, we can get him on some shit and finally, hopefully get him in jail.
Yeah. So they moved her out of the apartment immediately.
Thank you. And he found out she was gone and went fucking bonkers trying to find her. he hired a private investigator to find her.
And the FBI had to move her three times to stay away from him.
While they built the case against him. And you probably just live the rest of your life in fear.
In fear. How do you ever... Even when he's in jail, you're probably like...
Because he has so many fucking connections.
Who knows how many people she met, too. Yeah, exactly.
Well, and he eventually found her himself.
The FBI is hiding this woman and he finds her.
He found her and the PI tried to talk to her directly.
She came out of somewhere and he tried to like walk up to her and talk to her.
And luckily, the FBI moved her out of state to keep her safe, but literally moved her out of the state to keep him away from her.
I'd be like, can you move me to the Bahamas?
I'd be like, FBI, can I just live with you?
Yeah, right? FBI? Seriously. Can you bring me to Quantico?
Is that a problem? I just want to like... Can you please...
So finally in July, he was charged with violating his probation on several counts, and they ordered seven years in jail.
Okay. He was freed on a quarter million dollar bail and had to see Hames daily.
So again, he's getting out of this shit.
Then he started his appeals process and he argued that Because they moved Teresa out of state, he didn't get his constitutional right to confront his accuser.
Because she wasn't going to come to, obviously, to court.
May 1986, Judge David J. Dixon, want to make sure his name's out there, agreed. that it was unconstitutional, and he was free to go.
We really got to work on that constitution.
Judge David J. Dixon. in 1986, who knows if you're still around.
But I hope, do you feel good about that?
Because we'll see what happens after this.
So he had to go through another whole court debacle right as this one ended, though.
Because now the FBI and Hames and law enforcement were on his shit.
And they had dug into those past scams. So now they can keep trying to throw different things at him to try to see if something sticks.
Yeah, they got a ton of shit. So he was accused of stealing over $50,000 through billing scams and this like...
It's so far reaching. This is what I'm talking about like read the book because I'm going to mention things that you're like, wait, what?
He did what? Excuse me? And it's like, I can't even go.
This would be like an 85 part series if I did it.
But there was some bogus condo sale in Arizona that he was a part of too.
And where was he living? I'm sorry. He was between Missouri and Kansas.
At this point, he was in Kansas. Gotcha.
So now we're in Arizona. He had some bogus condo sale in Arizona that he had scammed people out of money.
So he was getting in trouble for that now.
And I guess he like, he like sold the condo and then kept the money from the sale or something like that.
It was some kind of weird thing. He like pretended to be their real estate agent. agent.
And so now he was facing six to 19 years in prison.
So he probably took like all the money that was in escrow.
Yeah, literally. I think that's how it works.
So as he's about to finally enter prison, because he is going to get prison time in 1987.
He killed a woman. So he's on his, like in between facing these charges, he kills someone.
Okay, that'll do it. After he was let go, when that judge...
David J. Dixon decided that he needed his constitutional right to face the accuser that he had violently raped. that he killed someone after this.
Okay. woman, 27-year-old Catherine Clampett, was a mother looking to better herself, and She had moved from Wichita Falls, Texas to Kansas City to get a job.
She had left a child with her parents to do so.
She was trying to like get her life together.
Right. She was staying at her brother's home.
His name was Robert Bales while she was trying to look for work and like get a steady place.
Yeah. So she ended up seeing an ad that Robinson put in the paper because he loved to put ads in the paper.
So breezin'. He was hiring for his company, EquiPlus, and she was like, oh, hell yes.
So she interviewed with Robinson and... He hired her on the spot.
That's so sad too. Like, please, for a second, can we think about her like getting ready for this interview?
Yeah. Doing her hair all right, making sure she has a nice outfit, trying to impress this guy who is eventually going to murder her.
Yeah, and sitting there and being like, oh, I really hope I get this job.
Like, I got to get everything together. my child's calling our parents being like i've got an interview today this is it yeah that's the saddest thing yep so he hired her on the spot and she was psyched But what happened was like the hours started getting crazy.
She began not coming home at night. Her brother was getting worried.
Mm-hmm. And there would be days he wouldn't see her.
And she really couldn't give him an explanation when he would ask.
And she acted very cagey. She acted very nervous.
And he was like, what's going on? Like, what are you involved in?
And then she didn't show up back at his place for an entire week.
And he called the police and filed a police report.
The police interviewed Robinson, but they basically did nothing.
They just didn't do anything. They interviewed him and were like, well, no evidence, so...
Bye. Hey, you have to like look for it a little bit.
Yeah. I think is usually how that goes. She was never seen alive again. find her.
We'll get there. So from 1987 to 1993, Robinson was incarcerated.
On all those different charges. Sure. Because remember, that happened between... him basically going to face those charges and him actually facing it.
He just quickly, quickly did that. So he was first incarcerated in Kansas from 1987 to 1991.
This was on like a ton of fraud convictions, like all kinds of financial shit.
And then he was incarcerated in Missouri for more fraud convictions and parole violations.
So he had to serve two different sentences in two different states.
I love it. His wife and kids, his kids were now in college and high school at this point.
They had to sell the home and move into an apartment.
They stuck by him. He just ruined everyone's life.
Oh, yeah, because she keeps having to move out of different places.
And to move your like three grown children into an apartment.
I can't imagine. yeah like in college and high school and they stuck by him and she kept up the facade that he was a great father a great husband a pillar of the community i have a lot of questions let me tell you nancy does that for a long time So he was a model prisoner at Hutchinson Correctional Facility but He had a few small strokes while he was there, interestingly enough.
Um, apparently there was no verbal or cognitive issues after them that were noticeable.
They couldn't find anything like that really changed much.
In fact, two really respected psychiatrists in the area I think their names are George M. Penn, or Dr. George M. Penn.
And he was the supervising psychologist, sorry. at the Kansas Department of Corrections.
And then the Director of Medical Services, Kai Hong, which is also a doctor, They said, quote, he was a model inmate who has made the best of his incarceration.
He is a nonviolent person and does not present a threat to society.
He is a devoted family man who has taught his children a strong value system.
His verbal skills were measured in the high average range, performance skills in a very superior range.
So is he basically like very smart? He's very intelligent.
Very cunning, very manipulative, very able to, he's manipulating two of the most respected doctors in the area.
Wow. Yeah. Is he ever like formally diagnosed with anything?
No. He was never diagnosed with anything.
Because here's the thing, like... He's full, I mean, he's definitely not mentally ill in the sense of not understanding his What's going on or what's right from wrong or anything.
He's very calculated. Oh, yeah. Very calculated.
And it takes superior thinking and planning to do what he's done.
For so many years, too. Like, I mean, decades.
Is he like a genius? Yeah. He seems like he's definitely up in the genius range, I would say.
And to be doing what he was doing, it takes a lot of skills.
Unfortunately. Which really sucks that he didn't use them for something awesome.
He could have been a great philanthropist if he had actually put...
Actually, like if he was not an evil person.
If he actually cared about fellow humans.
Taking these thoughts he had of like actually helping mothers and children.
And carrying them. carried it out instead of just doing what he did if he was a different person he would have been great Like a different person with the same kind of skills.
Sure. And somebody who would use them differently.
You know, like it just sucks. if he was anybody else it would have been awesome if he was literally a totally different person then he would be great yeah He'd be it.
He'd be really getting person of the year and like man of the year instead of just making himself person of the year.
Dude, I literally forgot that he made himself man of the year.
He made his own plaque. He made his own fucking press announcement.
He fooled the mayor. I gotta go. Yeah, he's a lot.
Imagine fooling the mayor. Imagine fooling the mayor.
Fooled you, mayor. Fooled you, mayor. Hey, mayor.
Hey, mayor. Fooled you. Psych. um so that was good so at this time oh i'm sorry i thought that that was your coffee that i just threw across the room no I did the I did old faithful and I ripped my charger out of the wall These plugs.
So Nancy actually ended up losing the apartment and moved the family into a trailer on a farm.
Nancy, it's time to go. Oh, Nancy's nowhere near going, trust her. out of here.
So when parole came up, they wrote he was, quote, a docile, nonviolent individual who does not pose a threat to society it is unlikely that further incarceration will be of any benefit to either Mr. Robinson or society.
I beg to differ. Imagine being the human being who had to fucking write that down.
Imagine later, incarceration will not be of any benefit to either Mr. Robinson Or society.
Little did you know. I have about five barrels that are going to disagree with you.
Ah. yeah so that's how much he was able to fool literally everybody around bananas It's truly bananas.
He was paroled in January 1991. Wow. Immediately, he was transferred to Missouri and jailed there.
Love it. Because he was like, woohoo, I'm done.
No, I'm not done. Now you got to do it in Missouri.
Everybody was like, psych. Psych. And he was jailed there at Western Missouri Correctional Facility.
He had tried to get out of it by arguing.
That he was frail and sick. He had strokes.
Guys, come on. He's never looked frail.
He should be released immediately. But this judge luckily was like...
No, bitch. You're fine. Go to prison. So there was a doctor in this prison, obviously, as there are in most prisons.
And his name was Dr. William Bonner. He didn't find Robinson to be sick at all.
He was like, you look fine to me. You're somewhat plump.
Like you seem like you are very like you're good.
Yeah. Because he was literally like, I'm frail.
I'm dying. I'm starving to death. Both of them were like, you look fine.
You look like... santa like it's cool you look like but but he also found him to be an asshole He was like, I really don't like this guy.
I'm glad. Finally, someone. And Dr. Bonner's wife, 49-year-old Beverly Bonner, actually worked at the same prison as the prison librarian.
Squad goals. Not really. Oh, so Robinson and her.
You're like too soon. I was like, sounds like it, but no.
So Robinson and Beverly actually figured out that they had worked together at Mobile or mobile oil like 20 years before this.
They bought to fall in love. And so they immediately bonded.
She fell for his charm, his charisma. Was it the prison?
They started a romantic affair. What? She is married to the prison doctor, Dr. William Bonner.
She works at the prison she works at the prison as the librarian with her prison husband dr william bonner And she is starting an affair.
With an inmate. With John Robinson, inmate number blah, blah, blah.
Yeah. Girl. So yeah. Your husband is a doctor.
I don't understand it. I have confusion.
Unfortunately, this has a very bad ending too. um he was released from there in 1993 and by 1994 she had divorced dr bonner and moved to kansas to be with Robinson.
No, no, no, go home. Who was still married. to his wife and not planning to leave her.
Do you know if she knew that he was married or was he fooling her?
I think he was fooling her. That he was going to leave.
That I'm going to leave her. But together, they restarted together a company.
She is on the Articles of Incorporation for the HydroGrow company.
Wow. Wow, that was a twist I didn't see coming.
And this woman is on the articles of incorporation for his company, Hydrogram.
Like it's really messed up that he's married, but I'm still at the whole thing where like they met when he was an inmate.
Oh, there's so much to this. I'm still there.
They were both married. Yeah. Like, now she's listed as the president of HydroGrow.
And it's also listing him as James Turner because he was a convicted felon.
He couldn't use his real name. He also started having her sign blank pieces of paper.
Don't do that! Which she did without question.
Suddenly her family and friends start getting letters signed by her that were saying she was traveling overseas in Europe for business and how happy she was.
They all had foreign postmarks. But the forwarding addresses were a mailbox in a commercial mail center That was called the mail room and it was in Kansas.
It was in like a shopping center. That's crazy.
Robinson had rented this mailroom, this like mail space.
Sure. This one like mailbox I think. in Beverly's name, and he was using this box to take the $1,000 divorce settlement checks that Dr. Bonner was sending monthly.
And it turns out he had used a service that would create foreign postmarks for him.
Yes! So this needs to be a visual medium because I literally am just waving my hands.
Ash is just losing her mind silently. What?
I just became a mime. So her friends and family are getting letters that are like, hey, fam, I'm in Europe.
We're having a great time. Oh, my goodness.
And they're like, oh, look at these foreign postmarks.
Yeah, they're coming from overseas. He bought those to use and had her sign shit so that he could make it look like they were coming from overseas and had her signature on them because he was having her sign blank pieces of tape here.
Wait, no, he didn't even buy them. He made them.
No, he used a service that created foreign postmarks for him.
I thought you said he created the service.
No, but still, either way. He used a service that created foreign postmarks for him.
What? Yeah. The fuck? He also rented a storage unit and said it was for his sister, Beverly.
No! He told workers there that his sister was abroad for work and was having so much fucking fun in Australia that she was just gonna stay there and never return ah And he pulled up one day in Beverly's car and placed a huge metal barrel in the unit and then just left.
No one looked into it. Um... What? She was never heard from again after 1994 when she divorced her husband and became the president of HydroGrow.
Do we have a statement from her husband?
We don't. That poor man. This is... That poor woman.
Oh, my God. That poor everyone. so oh that's beverly oh my bananas yeah So he struck again with a 45 year old mother and her 15 year old daughter.
Who was disabled and in a wheelchair. No.
Sheila Faye. Faith was 45 years old. Her daughter, Debbie, was 15 years old and confined to a wheelchair.
She had been diagnosed with cerebral palsy and spina bifida as a child.
They lived in Fullerton, California. Debbie was known to be Debbie's the daughter.
Debbie was known to be hilarious, really upbeat.
Her doctors were sure that she would walk someday purely because of her attitude.
And she was determined to. She wanted to eventually become a gym teacher.
Wow. and was a badass, strong girl. You're gonna ruin me.
And her mother took really good care of her.
And her father, John Faith, had been an amazing father until he passed away from cancer in 1991.
So Sheila was left to try to make ends meet.
She was dealing with a lot of medical expenses for Debbie.
So she was trying to find a partner to be with because this is a lot to deal with alone.
And she just needed to help her little family.
Lonely. So she went to the internet because this is the 90s.
It's the beginning of all this. And she would meet guys on there, but none of them were really working out.
Then she met this guy online called John Robinson from Kansas City.
Thank you. So he said he had tons of land.
He had horses. He was a farmer. He wanted Debbie to be able to ride one.
Farmer John. And Debbie was like, I'm going to ride a horse someday like that's my thing.
He also said he would get Debbie into a special and very expensive school out here.
He was going to take care of them. They became very, very close.
They talked on the phone. eventually he said they should move out with him and start their lives together.
Uh-huh. Again, this is John fucking Robinson.
So in 1994, The year that Beverly divorced her husband, became president of Hydrogrow, and then went fucking missing.
The same year. They decide to go to Kansas to live with him.
So he had basically just killed. Literally just had done all of that.
That year, he got her to divorce her husband, her prison doctor husband. become president of HydroGrow, and then he killed her.
And then he somehow managed to convince these people to come to Kansas.
Wow. So apparently Sheila left everything behind when she went and told her friends to just watch her mail and grab it for her just in case this didn't work. because she was trying to be like kind of like, I don't know. a thousand dollar disability check that came monthly for debbie like a little over a thousand dollars And she wanted them to keep track of those.
So she was like, just watch my mail. Weirdly, no mail arrived after they left.
And they discovered it was all being sent to the mailroom in Kansas.
You know, the place Beverly Bonner's checks from her ex-husband were being sent and cashed from.
So he must have convinced her to have her mail forwarded.
That mailbox was now being registered to James Turner.
And he had picked up and cashed 152 of Sheila and Debbie's checks.
So $152,000. Over $80,000 actually, because I think it was like a little, yeah.
But letters started going out to family and friends of Sheila's with her signature, but they were typed.
Because they're always typed, but they have the signature at the bottom.
And they all said the same shit the others said. we're doing great, we're having an awesome time, this is my new life, everything's wonderful.
Now that he had found the internet, And saw that it was working for him, he was becoming a regular in the BDSM chat rooms and shit.
He was like very active in those. Mm-hmm.
He did this while Nancy was working her ass off every day at work.
Right. Like, does he have a job job? Yeah.
So, yeah. And remember, this is so he's using the Internet to, like, lure these women.
He lured Sheila over there and she brought her.
Now at this moment, Everyone thinks that Sheila is doing fine.
Yeah. Nobody knows what's going on with Sheila and Debbie. so far just her friends are getting stuff her family's getting stuff it seems like everything's fine so we're gonna that's that yeah But people end up not seeing them again.
Right. Now... He's bad. So again, during the day he's on the computer, he's in these chat rooms, he's luring more women, he's getting into these weird relationships.
He used the name Jim Turner, James Turner, and Slave Master.
He received and sent a ton of nude photos from various online ladies.
He would dress up as a farmer in the picture that he would send people.
He got a ton of women to leave other states and come to Kansas City.
Tons of women. to be his sex slaves, literally.
He was rolling in submissives for a while, like they were a constant stream.
Then in 1999, he met Isabella Luwica. is how you say it.
And this was in an online BDSM chat room.
Isabella was born in Poland on April 11th, 1978.
She moved to the United States with her scientist parents when she was like 14 turning 15 and they'd settled in West Lafayette, Indiana.
Now, she was a brilliant artist, and in 1996 she had enrolled at Purdue University to study fine arts.
She had also done murals for her high school.
She was this amazing artist. Very talented.
She was known to be very shy and kind of kept to herself, but she was also very smart and just out of this world creative.
And she dressed really artistically. She kind of favored a nice mix of bohemian and goth. girl like mix it together like she would wear like long black velvet dresses and She had lots of piercings and she would dye her hair black and like she just like went for it.
She's cool as fuck. She was art on the outside as well.
I love it. Now, Isabella. That was a really, like, sweet thing to say.
Sure, she was art on the inside. That's really cute.
Art on the inside, art on the outside. Now, Isabella was really into BDSM and like also into like, you know, the darker shit like vampires and death and stuff like she was interested in that.
She was morbid. I feel it. And just things that are interesting and different.
She was into like the learning about the occult and like witchcraft and all that.
Like she was into cool stuff. So she was looking for people with similar interests.
And sometimes it can feel like that's hard when you're into weird shit.
Yep. So she was drawn to the Internet because it's the 90s.
And, you know, it's still like in its stages where everybody's just like getting like really into it. it's heyday and it's you know and i think these people like the ability to be anonymous and to be able to live in the fantasy world that they wanted to live in.
The BDSM stuff was... is not always accepted in normal society or like normal quote of air bunnies air bunnies but So this is a place where you can go in a chat room, you can do what you want to do.
So these people, it was like an escape for a lot of them.
Now chat rooms were fucking huge when the internet exploded.
Oh yeah, you know all about that, grandma.
Like people, hell yeah. Buffy the Vampire chat rooms, hell yes.
But people could finally connect with people all over the world who were into same niche industries. interests that you were in.
I'm sure you all remember how many different chat rooms there were for any kind of subject you could ever think of yeah I remember and you could even make one like you know I mean so if you were into that stuff you could make one yourself people would show up and then you got a friend group if you were feeling lonely.
So in 1997, I'm alive. I'm alive. So in 1997, she happened to meet a man online.
This was in a BDSM chat room and she felt like she clicked with him on a deeper level.
By chance, was his name James or John? Perhaps.
I think I just said Jims. You did. But that's cool.
Maybe his name was Jims. So they spoke a lot over the web and he told her he was an international book agent.
He wanted her to like, you know, be an illustrator for some of his books and blah, blah, blah.
And after a while of connecting, he told her, you should move to Kansas City with me.
I could give you a job as a secretary at my firm.
Like you could start a new life. Like why in Indiana?
That's dumb. They don't understand you there.
And that same year, she just decided, you know what?
I'm going to move to Kansas. And I'm going to start my new life.
And she told her friends this literally out of the blue.
And they were like, well, what? but no one was happy or trusting of this arrangement.
Her friends were not happy. Her parents were really upset, but they were like, what can we do?
She's just, This is what she wants to do.
So she was emailing her parents once she moved there, but it was kind of few and far between.
So they were like, we don't want to like push her, but we need to know what's going on.
So she did tell them she was living at an address on Metcalf Avenue in Kansas.
What they didn't know was that she and John Robinson had filed for a marriage license together.
I just blinked a lot of times. Yep. And she was 19 years old. at this point what's he like 78 he was in his 50s at this point um so yeah so they they filed for a marriage license together uh he's also married that whole thing So he must have done this under another name, right?
He did it under the name John Anthony Robinson, which is not his name.
Now we're getting into Tony's. Yeah, you know?
So they didn't actually get married legally, but it was filed.
They didn't actually go through with a wedding or anything like that.
But legally they were married. But no, they weren't legally married yet.
Like, they filed for the license. They didn't go through the whole shebang.
Okay. But... Yeah, so it's just like a weird thing.
I think he did it to make her think that they were married. right you know because that's what i always thought if you filed the certificate then i thought you were married yeah like they they filed for the license And then they never actually went through the wedding or marriage.
Then her parents didn't hear from her for like two months.
So and they couldn't get a hold of her. So they drove out to look for her.
This is when they found out that the Metcalfe address that she had said they were living at was a mailbox. and not an apartment or a house.
The mailbox service couldn't give them another address because it's illegal.
So they left and they had to go back to Indiana and couldn't find her.
I can't even imagine what they were thinking.
So suddenly they get some emails again. From her.
But they're like off. Something doesn't seem right.
Not in her tone. And especially her father was like, this is not her.
So he decides to test this and he asks her to speak to him only in Polish.
Smart. She does this. She responds in Polish, but it's all short sentences like I'm fine and I'm doing okay.
Right. And he's not really convinced. And she did kind of let out a few personal details.
But as we know, he gets personal details. from these women so that he can fuck with their family and friends.
Now, in 1998, she was still around. She enrolled in Johnson County Community College. but she did so under the name Isabella Louica Robinson.
Mm-hmm. She went to classes a couple of times and witnesses said she was wearing a ruby engagement ring. and showed it off that's so sad she told people she was married to an older man she was like very happy she was she seemed like she was psyched yeah At this time, she and Robinson had definitely entered into the master-slave kind of relationship.
So he would basically pay for things that she needed, pay for her rent and all that.
And in return, she had to be completely submissive to him in every single way.
He had to own every part of her. Right. She actually signed a slave contract that had 115 items on it.
Oh. Literally gave him complete control of her, including over her bank accounts.
But was that what she was into? Like... Does it seem like she was okay with that?
She was definitely into BDSM. She was into being a submissive, but this just went...
It went further. He had control of her bank accounts.
That's far reaching out of the whole thing.
And again, he's not putting he's not bringing these girls to Kansas and being like, what do you want?
No, obviously. What do you want out of these relationships?
You know what I mean? Like if he was doing that and that they wanted to. yeah that's a totally different thing if they're adults that's their business But he's immediately taking nude photos of them. immediately making them give all their information over to him so that he has all the power and control.
And then he goes, this is what I want. out of the relationship and you just have to deal with it.
Right. So... People saw them around town often and he would refer to her differently all the time.
Sometimes he would say it's his wife. Sometimes he'd be like, hey, no, that's not Nancy.
Sometimes he would call her his girlfriend.
Sometimes his daughter. Sometimes his daughter's friend, sometimes his niece, like weird as fuck.
Yuck, yuck, yuck. So in 1999, he rented another apartment and had her live in it alone.
And he told the building manager that Isabella was his adopted daughter that he had rescued from abusive parents.
Oh yeah, for sure. Now, Isabella wasn't working obviously because she just had to be there for him all the time.
So she was just kind of like hanging out a lot and she started like meeting people online.
She was meeting people around town and She was making like friends because she was a cool person, I think.
So her friends were into like vampire role-playing games.
And she met this group that would actually like live action role play in the woods as like vampires and shit.
And she would join in. Yeah. Didn't you pretend to be Buffy all the time?
Hell yeah. Like RPGs. That was the... Chat rooms, man.
What was it? Role-playing games. Oh, okay.
Ash. We had chat rooms with our friends.
We would have chat rooms that are like group messages on AIM.
I've never been in an actual chat room. Mine were always centered around either Buffy the Vampire Slayer or horror movies.
I don't even know how you would find those, because this was on AIM.
Yeah, well, it was in, like, AOL. Like AOL chat rooms.
Yeah, I never did that. No, you were past that era of that happening.
Yeah, definitely. It's probably a good thing for me because I would have fallen victim to some shit.
You definitely would. I take that. I own that. like my this shit was all like innocent fun oh yeah I think you would have I would have fallen to a predator, I think.
Probably. It would have been really scary.
So I'm really glad you didn't have that, actually.
Me as well. Now thinking about it. But...
Isabella was really into this like role-playing stuff and I guess they knew this was like literally in the woods it's like Because LARPing is a thing, like that is like full on, like Renaissance fairs are LARPing.
Yeah, have you ever seen True Life? like true life i larp or whatever it is but like that's a thing and it's I'm like, get it.
It looks fun. And it's like, wow, to be able to like let your inhibitions and like.
Any sense of like, you know, like you just like let it go.
Yeah. Just do something that you enjoy. It's fucking cool.
I'm like, that's awesome for you. And she was into it.
So she was having a good time. She was meeting people she liked.
She was doing what she wanted to do. here for it and he moved her again into a different place like a duplex situation because He was constantly having to move these girls so that people didn't get too much of an eye on them.
I also wonder what she thought about the fact that he wasn't living with her.
Oh, that was something that did come up.
Okay. So she would tell people, you know, people are weird about our age. difference and like how we met and stuff and that we're in like a BDSM relationship.
So like we live separately because like it's in a Like society doesn't think that it's appropriate for us.
So we have a relationship and it's ours and like everybody.
I feel like he told her to say that. Oh no, he definitely told her to say that.
Yeah. That doesn't really make a lot of sense.
No, of course none of this does. But so he kept her in this duplex, um, He basically told the property manager at this new duplex, that he was going to be having a ton of women there from all over the world because he was training them to help with his international publishing business.
They were all going to be like secretaries and other admins.
But this property manager was like, I only saw Isabella there.
Like he just lied for no reason. So out of nowhere, she suddenly tells her parents, we're not speaking in Polish anymore.
Together. Why? And she said, I married an American.
My husband is American. I am speaking English because I will only speak my husband's language.
Uh-huh. And they were like, she wouldn't have said that.
No, that's not you. They're like, that's weird.
So that same year, Isabella told people she was leaving Kansas, people around town. like she used to frequent like this bookstore that she became friends with like the seller and stuff yeah like cool weird occult books and stuff which i was like that sounds rad i want to And she told them like, I'm going to be leaving Kansas.
And they were like, what? But her parents got emails saying she was traveling already with her husband.
Right. Now she was being short and cold with them and her parents knew that wasn't like her.
But you would respond to the emails with, again, a little bit of personal information. just to kind of quell their fears a little bit.
And she kept telling them she wasn't going to let the, she was like, They kept being like, what is your husband's name?
Like she wouldn't give them his name. Oh, I didn't know that.
And she kept saying, I'm not going to give you his name.
You don't need it. No, you do. And basically she was telling them, I'm pretty ready to like leave you guys behind.
Like I'm pretty ready to like start my life without you guys.
They were like, what the fuck is going on?
But in 2000... No one was seeing Isabella around anymore, not around town, not with Robinson.
Now, and they probably just assumed that she left Kansas.
Here's the thing, though. Like, it was way more noticeable than the other ones because he had... paraded her around town to a lot of places.
He broke the lease early on the duplex. And when people asked, he said that she was caught smoking weed and deported back to Czechoslovakia.
Yeah, I don't know about that. She was never seen alive again.
Now, he ended up, she came to Kansas with a lot of shit, like all her possessions.
She had a lot of paintings that she had done, like big paintings.
There was one in particular that was like big and orange.
I guess it was like massive canvas canvas.
She had, you know, like bed sheets. She had like kitchen stuff.
She had all kinds of shit that she had. Right.
He ended up giving all of those possessions, like the paintings and shit, which he, by the way, painted his own name over her name on those paintings.
Are you kidding? fucking kidding me i don't know why that just made me so angry that's so beyond that is like that's so beyond that makes me so mad yeah he was actually giving her possessions to another woman that he was having a full-blown like years-long affair affair with while all this is going on.
He was maintaining relationships, air bunnies, air bunnies, with...
Dozens. Dozens and dozens of women all over the state.
While maintaining a relationship with his wife.
And children. Children and eventually grandchildren.
And grandchildren. All while doing this.
What the actual fuck? This girl, Barbara, this woman was like... She was around for...
30 plus years as his mistress. What? Yeah.
And she was given all of Isabella's possessions, including the paintings with John's.
Imagine finding that out later. Oh, yeah. no the fact that he destroyed her paintings by putting his yeah his name on them yeah And he, again, he was having a full blown thing with this woman, Barbara, and was keeping her in an apartment too for this whole time.
Wow. Nancy found out about this one. She knew about it, I was going to say. she knew about them but this one for some reason I think it was because Barbara had worked for them at one point so I think it like really arced her.
And like you said, it was like 30 plus years.
And this one was just like me. maintaining, so she was really pissed.
And she actually sent her a letter at one point being like, stay away from my husband.
And I guess she laid out like, we have children together, like you need to go away.
And at one point he and Nancy were at a grocery store together and They walked right by Barbara and Barbara said that he pretended he didn't even know or see her and just walked right by her.
And she kept staying with him after that.
Yeah. Mm-hmm. Mm hmm. Now on to his next victim.
His next victim was Suzette Troughton from Monroe, Michigan.
She was 28 years old. She was aspiring to be a nurse at the time.
She battled some depression when she was younger and had like...
She had gone through like weight issues and like body dysmorphia and had actually at some point when she was younger She had shot herself in the stomach to try to end her life.
Oh, wow. But... it failed and she was okay.
It actually like missed anything of significance and And she took it as a sign to live your life how you want to live it and like be open, be curious, be a good person.
So she decided to do that. And she was like really curious. curious.
She always wanted new experiences. She was going to take her second chance at life.
She had worked as a manager in a restaurant while she tried to make it through nursing school.
And also worked as a home health aide to the elderly.
Oh, my goodness. She sounds amazing. She had two Pekingese dogs named Pika and Harry.
Cute. And she was obsessed with them. She never went anywhere without them.
Those dogs are freaking adorable. They really are.
And during this time, she had become interested in BDSM and entered a lot of chat rooms because, again, this is the time.
She met a lot of people online. She had a lot of friendships.
She had some like relationships online. In 1999, she met Robinson in a BDSM chat room.
He told her about his role as a slave master.
He said he was part of the International Council of Masters, that like really scary, scary thing. where they were literally like raping women and how he had a ton of experience being a dom like she was into it So they became closer and closer and he eventually said that You know, my elderly father is really sick and I'm looking for a nurse that can like kind of be a live-in nurse, like help. us out with him.
And meanwhile, his father had been dead for a decade at this point.
So he was like, hey, can I pay you to fly out and like pay you to be my father's nurse?
Like, we'll hire you. And she was like, oh my God, this is like my chance to step into this.
I want to do this kind of work. So he said he would pay her like $60,000 plus salary a year. benefits all that and he was also on the side he was like i'll teach you about this like master slave relationship thing And she was interested in it.
So she was like, sure. Yeah. So he also had told her he was going to make sure her pass... He was like, you know what?
Make sure your passport is up to date. Because...
I'm going to jet set you all over the world.
And he was like, and also, you know. You can also work at my company.
And so we can travel for business. It can all be like written off.
So like make sure your passport is ready.
So she was like psyched. Of course. But her friends were really skeptical of this and wanted her to not do this.
They were like, no. But she decided she was interested and she was like, you know what?
I'll meet him first. I'm not just going to like run out there and live there.
Smart. So in fall of 1999, she had like a trip out there.
She met him, they hung out, he wined and dined her.
She thought he was great. He was awesome.
Nothing bad happened. She went back again that same year for another trip.
Same thing. They had a blast. She felt like she could trust him.
This is what's really scary. Because the amount of people that like... meet people online and do end up forming lasting connections, marriages, relationships for life, like partnership life. friendships for life, like that kind of stuff.
You have a friend that you met on chat rooms, don't you?
Yeah, exactly. I have a couple of friends that we like met in the AOL days, like that was who...
And you're still friends. That's how we're still friends.
Shout out to Kelsey and shout out to Charlie.
Shout out to Marcus. These are all people I still talk to.
Elena just goes on, like, a 25-minute, like, shout-out tour.
These are all people I, like, still talk to.
And it's like, we still are friendly. And that happens, that's the good part of it.
Right. There's this whole other side of it.
But then you see this guy meeting this girl twice, having full blown trips with her. and getting her to trust him and think that this was a great thing.
So she decides, I'm going to go work for him.
Okay. This is great. So he said, cool, you know, bring your dogs with you because I know they make you feel more comfortable.
They can live where I'm gonna put you up.
I'm gonna put you in an apartment. It's totally fine for them to be there.
I'm gonna lease you a vehicle. It's gonna be great.
Wow. So she arrived and there was no car for her.
And he put her up in a motel room. And he didn't have her work. with any ailing father and kept coming up with excuses for why she wasn't starting to work with the ailing father.
And he would just show up at the motel, demand to have really scary sex with her, and take nude photos of her and then just leave.
This poor woman. So she's confused as fuck.
She's like freaking out. And now she's scared.
Now the motel is telling her those dogs can't be here.
So she had to put her dogs in a kennel. Because the motel wouldn't let them at the place.
Oh, and that probably broke her heart. Broke her heart.
Then he says to her, finally out of nowhere, he says, we're going on our first business trip to California tomorrow.
No, we're not. And he had her sign 30 blank pieces of paper.
Why though? In a dress form. 40 envelopes to friends and family because he said after California, we're going to go jet-setting in Europe.
And he said, you're gonna be so busy that you're not gonna have time to write letters or anything like that or keep up correspondence.
So we're gonna do it now. No. And get it out of the way.
No. And he's so convincing that everybody's like, yeah, you're right.
We're going to be so busy. Why not just get this done now?
No. Like fun. February 30, 2000, she talked to her mom, Carol, and told her she was leaving for California and then Europe the next day.
So that next day, Robinson is seen on camera checking her dogs out of the kennel. paying the bill for her hotel room, and then dropping off some of her things at a storage unit.
Then he just left the dogs outside of somewhere and let them loose.
They were found. Oh, thank goodness. And they were adopted to lovely homes.
So that's good. But March 3rd, he looked through Suzette's computer and gathered information about her friends and family, And then he used it to pretend that he was her talking to them.
Dude, this guy is a piece of fucking shit.
He also sent letters to Carol's mother and she immediately knew it was not her daughter. it's like, dude, these people know their family.
Yeah, of course. course i know you don't have actual connections with anybody but other but other people do And I know your family doesn't really know you because they have a totally different view of who you are.
But like these women actually have real connections.
Yeah. Unfortunately, Suzette was never found alive again.
And that is where we are going to end part two.
Girl. But don't worry because we're just going to do part three right after.
Girl, I need a stretch break. I need a mental break.
It's going to get real gnarly. What do you mean it's gonna get?
It's been real gnarly. It's going to get even gnarlier.
How? I can't tell you. Well, you can in two minutes.
But stay tuned for part three. All right, guys, we love you.
We hope you keep listening. We hope you.
I was going to do it for you. I know. Keep it.
Woo. Weird. But not so weird that you ever sign any blank piece of paper ever again in your whole entire life.
I feel like I'm going to find blank pieces of paper very tricky. in the following days bye just don't sign them i love you love you guys
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