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It's morbid. Hello. We're back. Hope you enjoyed our little sit down with Terry Carnation.
Yes, because that was wonderful and magical for us.
He is probably one of the nicest people I've ever met in my life.
Also one of the funniest And that was just an overall amazing experience.
It really was. I recommend every. And so Dark Air with Terry Carnation is going to be coming out April 1st. if you love Rainn Wilson and you love Terry Carnation, I think we've advertised for Radio Rental on this podcast before.
Yeah, for sure. But we just want to put it out there again because I think like, It's just one of those podcasts that is just such a good listen.
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But... Today we are going to go in a weird direction.
Where are we headed? We're going to head to California.
Always weird. Because I don't think we have any other business, so I think we can just like pop right into this, right?
Yeah, let's get it. There's no business.
I don't think so. No more business. It's Saturday. let's just everybody chill out it's cool yeah take it easy fuck it let's get right into this let's let's get chill like california Let's get blazed.
I love where you took it. Let's lay down and take a nap.
Well, we are at my apartment. We are. That's true.
So we're going to go to a little place called Turnbull Canyon in California.
Never have I ever heard of that. It is between Whittier and Hacienda Heights.
And it's in Whittier, California. All right.
I didn't even know there was a Whittier, California.
I didn't either because. We are East Coast ladies, so this is all new stuff for me.
I've never even been to California. Isn't that so fucked?
I have. It's really cool. I want to go back.
Yeah. I may not want to do a show there.
I want to do a show there. Hopefully, you know, someday we will.
Hello, California, we want to come to you.
Yeah, we do. As with the rest of the cities that we had to...
We just want to go anywhere. We really do.
I think everybody does. We're almost there, guys.
Hey-o. Finish line. We're almost there. So everybody just hang on tight.
We're all going to hang on this together.
But use hand sanitizer after you hold on tight.
Yeah, like hang on tight, but not... Virtually.
With gloves on. I know. All right. So let's talk about Turnbull Canyon.
Now... This has murder, murder, attempted murder, ghosts, cults.
Oh, shit. A gravity hill. A hanging tree.
What's a gravity hill? A plane crash. It has all kinds of stuff.
This is like, you know you there. You know that I love me a weird ass place.
That I love me. You know that I love me.
I love you. I think everybody should love themselves.
I was just going to say everybody should love themselves.
I do love me. Good. But I also love me a...
Like, crazy-ass place that has, like, big feet UFO, like, weird shit that goes down it, like a Bennington Triangle, Bridgewater Triangle.
Or like that underground place that you did before.
Yes. Mary King's clothes. That took me a second to remember that.
Mary King's clothes is really cool. That one was one of my favorites.
And you know the Irish Vanishing Triangle?
Yeah. That's a crazy one. Yeah, I love these places.
This is one of those places that just like, it was cursed right from the get-go. and things have been on a downhill slide ever since.
Is it like another place to add to our list of places to visit?
Yes, this is definitely. But no, no, you take it back.
You know what? I take it back. No, I love how you were just like. hell yeah and then you were like actually not at all no no It's the, you know, cause it's, you know, places like the Bennington triangle.
I'm like, yeah, yeah. Take me there. I want to see a Bigfoot. like for sure we don't want to deal with what's here this is like dangerous like this is like murders happen here still so like still I'm good.
All right, I'm going to shut up. Yeah, I'm good here.
So this place is called Turnbull Canyon.
It was named after a guy called Robert Turnbull, and the guy who it's named after was murdered.
So it started off, like you said, with murder and mayhem right off the bat.
Right. So Robert Turnbull was a Scottish immigrant.
So like, yeah, Scotland. He moved to the area in 1873 and he had come to America to find fortune and he did.
Okay. He did really well. And I think in Scotland he was like a rancher, a shepherd, like that kind of thing.
But he was really looking to get into real estate.
Because it was starting to boom over here and he was like, California, I'm going.
California, yeah. So he immediately looked into getting into the real estate game.
The problem was he also liked to hit the sauce a bit.
Same. And when he hit the sauce, it was early.
Often. Not same. And in great quantities.
Not same. So quite a bit. Okay. He would also get into fist fights with literally anyone around him when he was hitting said sauce.
It's not a desirable quality. So soon he was kind of known as that Scottish guy who is saucy and aggressive.
He would just get into bar fights all the time.
He was always drunk. People around him said that like they literally never saw him sober.
So he was just really like. He was living that life.
I bet if he was your uncle though, he would have been the funnest uncle.
He would be the hilarious Scottish uncle. that would be the drunk Scottish uncle that's what we all need one of those we all have one I feel Well, around 1875, Temple Workman Bank was the huge bank in the area.
And it was having some serious issues. The men who owned it were kind of like shitty at their jobs.
And... it just started getting chaotic very quick.
They did not know how to manage money. And eventually the state's economy went tanking.
Oh no. And the bank couldn't handle it So they just closed.
Oh, leaving the people in the town shit out of luck with the money they had put in the bank.
They just closed it up. That's not allowed, I feel.
So now the town, they were like, we got to figure out how to get this money back.
So the town put together an advisory committee and they filled this advisory committee They had the people lead it that were the bank's largest creditors.
Okay. And this was kind of like just to take care of this, figure out how to get the people their money back.
Well, Robert Turnbull found himself on this committee because although he was a saucy fighter, he was also doing... pretty okay in the real estate game.
And he was one of the bank's biggest accounts.
All right. So he was on there to try to figure this out.
He was probably drunk, which is awesome.
Good for him. At least he's functioning.
He's really getting things done. He is. Which I appreciate.
And while on this committee though, he also got the opportunity to see investments in land ahead of time. and also purchase land for cheap because he was on this committee They're trying to figure all this out.
They're looking at different places to try to like build things and like get the economy going again.
So this is when the canyon came up for sale, the place around the canyon and in the canyon.
And he purchased the Canyon immediately for like nothing.
So he really got like jumped on that. He was an honest to goodness mogul.
I love it. And he figured in this canyon, it was a really nice area that I think there was like nice fresh water, like a stream running through it.
So he figured he was going to go back to his roots.
He was going to raise sheep there and sell the wool. as like a side business.
So he was like side hustling and it was just really pretty.
So he was like, I want that. Yeah, it's like a two for one deal.
I want that canyon. It's serene and I can make some money.
So he bought it for a song and at this time it was still not named after him.
So it didn't become named after him. Because he was still alive.
Because at first I was like, oh, that's fun that he bought that canyon and was like, turn back. bowl canyon like he just named it after himself that would have been awesome but no no haven't So in 1885, two Quakers named Akia Pickering And Jonathan Bailey, according to the Quaker Campus, which is a very, it was an informative article about this.
Cool. They came and they offered Robert some cash money money for the canyon.
They were like, this is... I love you so much.
This is cash money money. This is... This is a great canyon you have here.
Love it. And they were like, we would love to settle here and shit.
So they were like, we love this area. So they bought a ton of the land around the canyon and then they were like, We'd really like that canyon as well because we have all the land around it.
And it's right in the middle of our land and it also has that nice stream in the middle where we can like use it for supplies and shit.
And he was like, that's my stream. Well, and Robert was like, yeah, you know, like he wasn't a dick about it.
He was just like, I just really love this canyon and I don't want to sell it.
And they were like, okay so for a couple years they kept trying to ask him to sell it like everybody was It seems everything I read said that nobody was being a nasty, nasty about it.
They were just like, hey, ready yet? Ready to sell that yet?
And he was like, no. And they were like, okay, we'll come back.
They were like, have some oatmeal. Yeah.
Yeah. I was like, yeah, totally have some Quaker oatmeal.
So in 1887, they offered him $30,000, which was a lot. back then I mean it's a lot now but it's a lot it's like a down payment on a condo it's today I was gonna say today and he was like okay like as soon as they gave him that he was like already so he was to my arm he was psyched he was like all right cool take the canyon it's yours He's like, I'll buy six others.
He was like, I don't care. That's a lot of money.
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So a few months later, he's living on his own somewhere else.
And it was in January of 1888, only a few months after he sold it.
Robert was drinking, doing what he does best.
Drinking and fighting. That's what he was doing.
He was in a pub. He got into, like, a bar brawl.
Nothing... Nothing new. Just like a Tuesday.
Sure. And he got thrown out onto the street.
And he was on his way home and he fell off of his horse, apparently.
Oh, no. Which is no good. That's probably something he hadn't done before.
And apparently the police found him off his horse and they arrested his ass for public drunkenness.
Not an R-U-I? Not an R-U-I riding under the influence.
H-U-I, horsing under the influence. So the police arrested him for public drunkenness.
They threw him in the drunk tank. He didn't remember anything about the evening, but he remembers going home, or he remembered going home.
And he realized on his way home that he was not feeling great.
And he was like, oh, maybe it's just because I was really drunk.
But then he was like, I feel like I got hurt. hurt.
So he suddenly realized that he was severely beaten.
Like he doesn't remember the beating, but he remembers being like he was severely beaten.
Imagine. Imagine. So he was bloody and bruised and swollen when he arrived home, according to his housekeeper.
What? And he slept for more than a day and then woke up.
He probably had a very intense concussion.
And she reported that he was acting very strange.
And he put on a weird mismatched outfit, which was not, he was always very like put together. and then took one of her hats and put it on his head.
He probably had like a traumatic brain injury 100 had a traumatic brain injury like he fell off a horse and then was beaten Well, and so he left the house.
He was like, goodbye, Mary. And he just left.
And she was like, that's my hat. Okay. So he just...
And they didn't have cell phones, so she was like, I guess I'll see you, hopefully.
She didn't text him, give me my hat back.
Good luck with your craniums. And I want my pink hat back!
She just screamed that at him. And she didn't hear from him for like a day.
And then the following day, a couple of children discovered his dead body floating in the LA river.
Oh no. So it was clear that he had either fell off the Macy Bridge into the L.A.
River or he had been thrown. Which, like, either is not too... No, neither one is good, because...
The medical examiner said that he died from a blood clot that came from a severe head injury that killed him.
Yeah. And it was labeled a homicide and it was never solved.
But do we really think it was a homicide?
Well, here's the thing. It would be a homicide.
Whoever beat him caused that clot, meaning that's a homicide.
He died of the clot. He did not die of drowning.
All right. So he died... And then he was, he either must've had a blood clot and like an aneurysm as he was walking and fell.
Yeah. Which still would be attributed to the person that caused that injury.
Right. Or somebody threw him off the side of the bridge.
Either way, somebody murdered him. And we don't know who, so it was never solved.
Well, those Quakers, those two Quakers who we sold the land to, They named it Turnbull Canyon after him, like in honor of him.
Because he was so nice when he sold the land and they were like, wow, that's sad.
I love that. So they did that. But that was probably their first mistake, huh?
Certainly was. So before Robert came and all that chaotic energy happened, there was... more chaotic energy in this before he even came.
Maybe it rubbed off on him. Yeah, this canyon was already full of it.
So way, way back, Native Americans knew of this land.
And they called this place, and I apologize if I say this wrong, Hutakna?
Hutakana? Hutakana. That's what it is. And it translates like roughly to the dark place or the evil place.
Awesome. And they used to say that the sun wouldn't touch this valley, like this canyon.
And Native Americans wouldn't go there and considered it like cursed, but like kind of sacred ground.
Okay. But they wouldn't step foot in there.
They were terrified of this place because it was pitch black when the sun would go down.
Oh, that's so scary. So early Spanish explorers came in and forced these same Native Americans to live in this canyon.
That they had named the dark place and were so terrified of.
Well, that's fucked. And they were forced to convert to Christianity.
And if they refused, they were slaughtered in the...
Jesus. So the ghosts, people say that the ghosts of these angry Native Americans are still walking among the canyon. angry, upset, and not settled.
Or probably terrified that they just had to exactly and hikers say that they'll feel people watching them on the hike like and it doesn't feel like someone's watching them it feels like many many like the same kind of experiences over and over people say that they feel like a crowd of people is watching them Ugh.
Yeah. And some people will say that they will hear almost like rain stick. sounds okay like not quite a drumming but like um like smacking together two sticks Yeah.
And they hear it like faintly in the distance in the canyon.
Yeah. So there's that. So already right from the get go, the Native Americans, they always know.
Well, that's the thing. It's like the Bridgewater Triangle.
They knew. It's like they always know. So they knew...
And they were like, don't go in there. And then Pete Settlers came in and were like, you go in there.
And then it starts a whole... Here's the thing.
Settlers were not settlers. Native Americans were the one who like knew where to go.
They're the ones that were like. settle here not there listen to them yeah they know the land better than like come on guys so it just started it kicked off some real chaotic energy in there.
So let's talk about, we're just going to go through all the different things that are occurring in this.
So cults. I love it. There were some real scary cults happening there.
And some say that they're still there. So the first sightings of this really started during the Great Depression in the 1930s.
People would see men and women in black robes gathering in the canyon.
No. And it was said that because this was the Great Depression, obviously an unbelievable financial upheaval for everybody.
Yeah. Uh, so this was a time when all around the United States especially, people were giving up their children to orphanages and for adoption because they couldn't feed them and they were hoping by giving them up the children would be fed basically so sad yeah it's a real bummer that like ruins um But so this was happening around here, obviously.
The orphanages were overflowing with kids.
And this cult is said, the legend says that this cult was adopting some of these children or kidnapping them from the orphanages to sacrifice in the canyon.
And a cult paraphernalia and evidence of animal sacrificing was found in there.
And there's even a story of a witness, an unnamed witness, which I found in like several things.
But again, this is, Legend. Legend. There's nothing concrete to hand. on to here but it's a story that's interesting and that is definitely told around those listen fuckers we're gathered around the campfire right we are gathered Cast your mallow and listen up.
So this unnamed witness said that they were near the canyon one night. and they heard all this commotion, so they went over to look, and they saw what appeared to be around a 12-year-old boy... attached to a cross where these robed figures were chanting around him and like doing weird shit.
Hmm. And then they inverted the cross with him on it and proceeded to beat the hell out of him until he was completely covered in blood.
Oh my goodness. He was then thrown in a sack and driven away.
And people say that they have seen hooded figures on the trail even today.
And at night, people will see bonfires burning in the canyon.
So is that ghosts or is that a cult that's been around for so long? long yeah people don't know and and then people say that they hear the ghosts of children like crying or laughing on the trails or like just all kinds of weird shit no ghost children are not for me yeah it's it's not a good thing and I guess there was also like you know rumors that after it wasn't really working to like adopt these children from these orphanages they were like Kidnapping kids and also just taking runaway kids, hitchhiking kids, anything they could find.
That's like a cult M.O. Isn't that terrifying?
That's so scary. So that's just a scary little like, ah.
Aside. So another thing that is a big legend among this area is that there was a mental health facility there. that was around the canyon.
And you don't know if it's like totally for sure true.
No, I don't know if it's totally frustrating, but it's something that is told in many, many, many different places.
And it's one of those things that I think is just like a legend that people like to cling on to, but it's one worth...
Telling just because there's a little bit of like truth to it.
Yeah, I feel so where there's smoke, there's fire.
Yeah, and it's like you've got to tell these things.
You've got to keep the legends going. Keep it going.
You've got to keep it going. Pass it down.
So they say that it probably was around the 1940s that it burned down.
And of course, there's been a ton of wildfires in California.
And actually lately and recently, there has been wildfires in Turnbull.
Canyon. Oh shit. So it's not unlikely. This place was a mental health facility.
It was during the time when lobotomies and electroshock therapy, things were not great in these places at those points.
You know, there was a ton of abuse, a ton of, you know, misery and horror.
Horror. So it burned down in the 1940s and the burnt remains of the foundation are said to be at the end of a dirt road that's closed to the public.
That would be so spooky. People on YouTube, I've seen YouTube videos where people have gone to these places.
There is a burnt out foundation of some building.
I mean, hello. So in the 1960s, it's said that a group of teenagers were hanging out here because this is like a place where people like to go Of course.
They've actually had to reinforce the gate to this place, which I will mention in a minute. because people were going there so often and there is like partially private property back there.
So don't go looking for it. But in the 1960s, these teens were hanging out in this like foundation And the foundation has like some walls to it.
It's like a burnt out building. Yeah. And one of them was like, oh shit, I think I found the, like the room that they probably did the electroshock therapy in.
It had like burned instruments and shit.
Oh, And he touched an area of it. And his friend said that he immediately was electrocuted.
Still? And they said like gruesome electrocution and died.
And what's crazy is that 20 years before this, they had shut the electricity off to that place.
Yeah. There was no electricity. That doesn't make any sense.
So it's just a really creepy thing. That's nuts.
Now, leading to this area, like I said, there's a gate.
This gate is called Hell's Gate. Not Heaven's Gate.
People calls it Hell's Gate. And it's strange and mysterious and like this big iron gate. that leads to the remains of this mental health facility.
And people will say like, this is the entrance to hell.
Sounds like it. like it you go in there and you can hear screams of kids and like just weird shit it's just like you don't want to go there no And it's hard to find too.
It's like one of those really hard to find places.
So the next thing I'll talk about really quickly is called the hanging tree.
And if you go on YouTube, you can also see like videos of people finding this tree.
It's said that a man, a man, a man. I know.
A man. I got really into the storytelling moment for a second.
A man. It said a man. No. It said that a man hung himself in a tree in the canyon.
That's sad. And... People say that they will randomly see a man hanging from a tree. they'll freak out and then as soon as they look again, it's gone.
And people also say that they have seen ghosts of children hanging in the trees. like they'll be walking down a trail and they'll suddenly look to their right and there's like six trees with kids hanging from them and then they'll look again and they're gone No, that shit's not right.
That part of the sixth sense, When they're in the school and he looks up the stairway.
Oh, I fucking hate that. And they're like, what are you looking at?
And he's just staring. And then it fucking.
Flashes to this entire goddamn family hanging from gallows.
That fucked me up. You saw the sixth sense too early, didn't you?
I saw it way too early. I saw it. too early as well I saw it too early and it left too much of impression that one scene I was like no no because there was a kid in there too Oh, yeah.
Two kids and like parents. Isn't there like a little girl in like a bonnet?
It's horrific. Yeah, it's fucked. And that's what I picture.
Somebody looking to the right and that's what they see and then it's gone.
So don't do it, guys. Don't do it. No. So that's weird.
Now let's get to a really solid thing that you can find newspaper articles on that is reported that is really fucked up let's get to a true crime a real true crime this is where we're gonna get to the real shit okay So I gave you all like, ooh, spooky, spookies.
And now we're going to get like, oh. Oh, too real for me.
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Okie dokie. So this plane crash is wild.
It's just wild the way it happened. It's wild the lead up to it.
And it's gnarly. So April 18th, 1952 was when this plane crash happened.
It was kind of forgotten in history a little bit.
Good. Weirdly enough, like, it's one of those things that if you look up certain sources about Turnbull Canyon they'll be like Oh, yeah, and this plane crash happened.
And then they'll say in the source, they'll be like, and you can't find anything relating to this.
No articles. You can. Like it's just harder to find because history has kind of like scrubbed it a little bit.
That's a little weird. But it is real. Like, there's news reports about it.
There's... real people involved there's a reason well it's weird to know about it is weird It's definitely a weird thing.
Weird. And actually, most people in the area have said they grew up hearing this, but thinking it was a legend. like a myth and it's not like but then they find out it's real and they're like oh It's just strange.
So April 16th, 1952. Flight 416 West was carrying 26 passengers and three crew members.
Many of the sources claim, you'll see out there if you look this up, that there was a large amount of children on this flight.
There wasn't. It was a very normal amount of children.
Why do people feel the need to add horrific detail to a horrific event?
You know why they want to with this particular one?
Because they want to keep that cult thing going.
I've seen things that are like, oh, the legends say that the canyon is still thirsting for the blood of the innocent so people have added on that like the canyon forced this plane full of kids to crash into it so they could like yeah sacrifice it but it's a lot it's just a very normal flight manifest It's like there were kids, but also adults.
No, not an absurd amount of children or anything.
So either way, it was going from New York City where it left LaGuardia Airport at 6.09 p.m.
Initially, Captain John D. Treyer was the pilot, and it stopped in Chicago and then stopped again in Kansas City.
And it was here that Captain Lewis Powell joined, and so did another pilot named Charles Waldron.
And so they also on this stop picked up one other crew member and it was a 29 year old a woman named Harriet Parmalee, who was a flight attendant, but she was off duty at the time.
Okay. They were just picking her up because she was literally just getting on board to hitch a ride back to California.
Oh, that's awful. And she was in Kansas City, Michigan, visiting her family and attending her uncle's funeral.
Oh. Wow. And her uncle had died in like a weird scenario where he owned like a sporting goods store and there was a gas leak and it just exploded with him one one other customer in the store.
Whoa. Yeah. It's just like a real, you can look that up too.
I think his name was like Claude. But it's a very strange weirdness.
So she was attending that uncle's funeral.
Just getting on here just to hop back to California.
Right. And it's like, oh, if it was just not this flight.
That's so crazy that somebody dies in like a freak plane accident on their way home from a funeral.
It's insane. So they did have a little layover when they landed because they wanted, they had to fix something that was leaking.
Yeah. So April 18th at 1.38 AM, it took off again. it stopped again very briefly in Wichita, Kansas to get more fuel, and then it was going to be on its way to California.
Now there was a big thunderstorm at one point and it had to stop again in Amarillo, Texas to wait out the storm.
This is like when the universe is like... That's... I'm like...
This is the wildest. What? Hey, hey. No.
No, this is not okay. Now, according to forgotten tales, the crash of Flight 416 West, They did a really good job going into all the details of this.
It's like a video. We'll try to post it.
What the fuck was that? My phone slipped into the crack of it.
Holy shit. Did you hear that noise? Yes, and my heart just ran over to the other side of the room.
It's no longer in my body. I don't know how I'm talking anymore because I'm not a living, breathing human.
Did you hear the phone drop? Yeah, I did.
Because it sounded like somebody hit the back of the couch.
Oh, I know. And I am just a little bit on edge.
Oh, I know. Sorry. I'm gonna need a moment.
Oh, shit. That scared me. It's dark in here.
Fuck. The woods are there. okay let me let me breathe first it was like such a cinematic moment oh fuck It's like when you're like, we're gathered around the campfire.
My heart is like... I know, that scared the shit out of me.
Okay, so like I said, I'm going to post that video, The Forgotten Tales, The Crash of Flight 416 West.
I'll post that in the show notes so you can watch it.
Cool. They had apparently been traveling from New York at this point for 27 hours.
Yikes. Not supposed to take that long. Captain Treyer, at this point, he was the original pilot.
He decided at this stop he was going to get off the plane.
The pilot? He was going to leave. One of the three, four pilots on board.
Okay. But he was the original one, so he's handed it over to his co-pilot.
Why? There isn't any explanation as to why he left this plane at this point, because this was an unexpected stop.
They weren't supposed to stop in Amarillo, Texas.
That's weird. He didn't live there, so...
There's really nothing else about that. Was he a clairvoyant man?
Maybe he just needed a break after 27 hours.
He was like, I'm tapping out. Well, you know what?
I'm proud of him because I think he listened to the universe and was like, I don't think we're supposed to go there.
Always listen to your gut, whatever it's saying.
So this was at like 6.14 PM that he was like, goodbye.
At 9.04 PM, everything finally cleared up.
The thunderstorm went away. Nothing was leaking anymore.
They had fuel. So they took off again for California.
At this point, it was Captain Lewis Powell that took over the lead position in the cockpit. because that Captain Traer had left.
Yeah. So he was. He was very respected, very skilled pilot.
He had tons and tons and tons of flight hours under his belt.
This was not like, Uh-oh. Rookie in the seat.
Not that like any pilot is going to be like, oh no, but this wasn't like even a rookie.
This wasn't an... One with any less flight hours than one you would definitely want flying your plane.
But... He had suffered a very severe heart attack a month earlier.
And his doctor had recommended that the airlines not allow him to fly for a while because they were worried about a cardiac event happening.
They were like, we can't be sure that that won't happen.
It's a little irresponsible to not listen to your doctor in that scenario.
Well, the airline's didn't listen either and they let him fly.
That's fucked up. So that's not good. Now, the plane then landed in Phoenix, Arizona at 1230 a.m..
And this is when three adults and a little baby disembarked.
I don't know if this was a planned stop, but it was a quick one.
They let these people off. Is this like a private plane?
No. That's weird. But it was way back when, so I'm sure things were much different.
But they took back off at 1.43am to finally go. to their destination.
For real. They were set to land in Burbank When they got to 6,000 feet and were heading into the area, suddenly a thick, spooky fog blanketed the entire place and it dropped to 50 degrees Now, that kind of weather is not ideal for anything, but especially the specific landing instruments in this particular plane.
The 50 degrees was not going to be a good thing and they couldn't see shit.
Oh no. So they had to divert to LAX. Now, air traffic can control they were you know they were speaking with the flight the whole time they were trying to tell them where to go telling them what altitude they should be at.
And at 3.23 a.m., they gave them the clearance to land at Los Angeles International Airport.
Now 333 a.m., the fog was all the way in the Turnbull Canyon.
And it was very hard to see the actual canyon through it.
Now people in the area said they were woken out of a dead sleep at around 3.30 a.m., because the plane was so low and so loud they said they felt like a plane literally like flew directly over there.
That's so scary. Which planes scare the shit out of me.
And loud, low planes... Fuck that. Like if I woke up to that, I have had so many horrible dreams about watching a plane crash.
Not being in a plane crash, I've had those too.
But I have this weird reoccurring nightmare of watching a plane crash.
Yeah. and like not being able to do anything about it.
And it's like a very stressful dream. Dream interpreters.
Remember when that happened to my mom? Can you tell me?
I do remember that. Maybe that's why. Maybe it's like secondary.
Wow, that's weird. Yeah, that did happen.
She like... actually like witnessed a plane crash yes and the aftermath in a in a parking lot while she was at work.
I remember when that happened. And she saw like, she saw everything.
Yeah. And that's maybe that's why she's so fucked up.
I don't know. It was before. That was pretty, that was gnarly though.
That'll fuck you up. And that's the thing.
I've had this weird like reoccurring dream.
So dream interpreters out there. Can you tell me what that means?
Am I stressed? I think. Do I have control issues?
Yes. Well, that's not even a question. I was literally just going to say it probably has something to do with your control.
And can you tell Ash to relay it to me because I'm not on social media right now?
You know how many people have been tweeting at me like, show this to Elena.
I love that. Thanks, guys. I love that, too.
But I'm like, mm. I'm going to come back on.
Honestly, I recommend it to everybody. Just taking a little break from the constant... scrolling and just constant like news and stuff it's been kind of nice to not be aware of anything.
And I think I was like too busy. I was doing the busy scroll a lot.
And that was getting to me because I'd be like doing a puzzle with... with like my daughters and randomly just like scroll.
And I'm like, what am I doing? Like pay attention to what, you're with your kid.
So it's been nice. I just recommend it. You're an amazing mom regardless.
Thank you so much. You're welcome. But it just feels nice to be more present, I think.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, for sure. So I recommend it to anybody.
You're like a free bird now. Yeah. Give it a few weeks and it's nice.
It's a nice feeling. And I'm gonna be so excited when I come back.
I'm gonna be like, guys, what happened? You know what's not a nice feeling?
What? Hearing a plane go by your window.
No, it's not. And also, quick little mention, I really wanted to say a Hamilton quote and be like what did i miss oh my gosh i couldn't let that go So yeah, everybody woke up at 3.30 and they were like, there's a fucking plane.
Right there. Just scraping the roof of my house.
What is going on right now? I'm picturing the windows in my bedroom and just seeing a plane fly by them. the window shaking and they said it felt like it was like whoosh, like right over.
But, of course, when that happens, what are you going to do?
Didn't you say it was a thing? 3 a.m yeah like 3 30 a.m you're not gonna wake up and be like i must call someone you're gonna be like that was weird and then you're gonna go back you're probably gonna think that you were like dreaming exactly so it was around this time also around 3 30 a.m that they lost contact with the flight with the flight Shit, what is it called?
Everybody air control. Air traffic control.
That's what it's called. They lost contact with them.
It's a major problem. The radar lost them.
The radio went dead, so now they don't know where they are.
This shit freaks me out like nothing else.
Yeah, I don't like that. So residents in the area also said they heard what...
They described as a bomb going off shortly after that.
Phenomenal. But again, what are you going to do?
It's just like one of those things that you're like, did I hear that?
Like, how many times do you hear something weird outside in the middle of the night that you're like? well I was gonna say like I feel like I mean I live near the woods so like I'll hear like gunshots and shit That's the thing.
And I'm like, it's probably just people hunting.
Well, and you're like, it's either hunting, it's fireworks.
Yeah, it could be anything. You're automatically going to convince yourself, like, I don't know what that was.
It's fine. I'm just going to sleep. Doesn't involve me.
You know, the bystander effect. Well, exactly.
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So the crash wasn't discovered until after 10am the next day. because the fog also took a while to clear.
And it was only then that the black smoke rising from the crash site in the canyon could be spotted by farmers in the area.
And that's when it was reported. That's really scary.
Now, what happened was the landing gear was down because they were trying to initially land in Burbank. and they had put the landing gear down.
They had gone down to 6,000 feet. They were getting ready to go. while the landing gear was still down and they had drifted to 980 feet.
So that's really low. That's super low. And one wheel had, and they were in the canyon and he couldn't see.
He didn't know that he was in the canyon.
He didn't even know he was in there so one wheel caught the side of the canyon and the second wheel hit the other side and then it spun the plane out of control As it lurched to the side, the wing caught the side of the hill and it went nose down into the earth and exploded on impact.
Oh my god. So people said that when they looked out at the rising smoke, They could see in the canyon, in the hills, like a dark gash where the wing had cut across the canyon, which to me, so fucking crazy. give you like the willies like that just is like oh because it feels like it's like a laceration in the earth.
It's so ominous. Like somebody took a knife and cut the earth.
You know, that's just, ugh. An investigator on scene said, quote, everybody on board died on impact or in the inferno that followed.
I wish he just ended at Diane. He could have ended at that.
We don't need to know that. But. But the report said that Captain Powell must have thought he was approaching Los Angeles International Airport because his landing gear should have been back up.
They said if they weren't down there, if they weren't down when he was in that canyon, the landing here.
That wouldn't have happened. There is a chance that he would have made it through, but he was still very low in that canyon.
Yeah. He was actually, like, something like...
He was 10 or 20 feet below what they had told him he could go, his lowest point. what did i wonder why he went nobody knows why he went that low so reports suggested immediately that heart failure may have been what happened Okay.
Which he did just have a heart attack a month ago.
But an investigation later showed that it was just bad decision making.
Yeah. Unfortunately. Unfortunately. He went way below that altitude clearance and they think that he was trying to see under the fog line.
So he was going under to try to see, but he wasn't realizing that he was in a canyon.
Right. If he wasn't in a canyon, maybe he would have been okay, but it just was like, a bad a poor decision and then also just a lot of other factors coming together to really shit on this all the elements are against you But apparently he had invested in this is crazy, apparently like a couple of years or three years before this crash. this pilot had actually invented this navigation tool that would aid people and seeing in conditions like this.
But when he brought it to the airline and the aeronautics commission, they just ignored it.
What? And they said if he had been able to go through with this and make it a mass marketed thing, it probably, it might've helped.
Wow. It might've helped him see where he was going.
And there's this like, Like, I think in that video that we'll post, you'll be able to see it.
They posted a photo of his wife and his two sons.
And they are holding the plans, like the schematics of the invention that he had.
And it's like... Oh, my God. Like, in what irony?
Yeah, that's crazy. And the airline that ran his airline was Robin Airlines.
And after this, they grounded all their planes with over $40. violations.
So they were also not doing their due diligence at all.
So this is just like a bunch, it feels like a cursed... flight it does which ended in a cursed place that scares me a lot the photos of this are like truly horrific did you look at them yeah i mean yeah like the crash site photos that come up i'm surprised you looked at that well it's i know because i'm like definitely afraid of flying yeah It doesn't help, I'll tell you that much.
But it's said that the passengers' bodies, some of them were literally embedded into the hillside because of how hard it hit that hillside.
And there's a photo where you can see a passenger thrown across the hillside still strapped into their seat.
Thank you so much for that visual. It's really messed up.
So this place... I mean, that event alone would curse any place.
Would be a perfect recipe for haunting, for sure.
That's nuts. Now there's also something weird right around the corner from Turnbull Canyon that could also be affecting this.
It's a cemetery that was turned into a park.
They didn't. Yep. So Founders Memorial Park is about a little less than a mile away from Turnbull Canyon entrance.
They're really close. And apparently this was once three different cemeteries Whittier Cemetery, Mount Olive Cemetery, and Broadway Cemetery, and is now Founders Memorial Park.
So in the Great Depression era, they had gone, these cemeteries had kind of gotten like dilapidated and went into disrepair.
And they were kind of neglected and basically abandoned.
Nice. So in 1968, the city of Whittier was like, whelp, let's make a park.
why would you make a park there well so they were like okay we'll remove the gravestones they they said they were gonna like relocate the bodies But they did, and they did erect two statues in this park that list the 2,380
80 body people who were once buried in these cemeteries but Most people don't think those bodies were ever moved.
And some people in the area who were around the area at that time said, we never saw. any kind of like project of moving those bodies.
Yeah. So people think they are just, that they just removed the gravestones and made a park.
That's fucked. People say fog sometimes will only sit in that park.
And nowhere else. That is so scary. And then animals die there a lot.
Like they find dead animals a lot. Isn't that strange?
Yeah, that's real weird. So then there's Gravity Hill in Turnbull.
Yeah, what is that? So Gravity Hills are found in a lot of places.
Like we've mentioned a few of them in some of the weird places that we've mentioned.
There basically is one where your car will travel uphill without using the gas.
Oh, okay. It's like an optical illusion kind of thing and like a weird trippy situation, but they have one here.
And there's one that apparently people also when they're going up the hill, like without the gas, and you're freaking out, that you'll also hear knocking sounds on your car and kids laughing or crying when it happens.
No. Yeah. I'm all good for that. So I don't want to do that.
So now let's end on the murders. Oh. Because there are recent murders in this place.
Recent? October 12th, 2002. Bitch what? This is horrific.
17-year-old Gloria Linda Gaxiola was shot in the head on Trumbull. term Bull Canyon Road, sorry.
Her body was then dragged four miles in a car like next to a car in hacienda to hacienda heights where her body was found in the road Now, five years went by and no one knew what happened.
Who did this? Nothing. And then a witness came forward five years later and said, Abraham Acuna, Matthew Garcia, and Victor Hmong killed her.
Why? She was friends with them. She had apparently known about or witnessed a robbery that they had committed.
And they were scared she was going to rat on them.
And they were career criminals. They had a lot of strikes against them.
So they were going to get life in prison if they went to jail. so they plan to take her out of the equation.
And this is how they decided to do it. Luckily, They were arrested in 2008 and Mong was sentenced to 85 years in prison because Garcia to 80 years and Acuna to 55.
Good. Still not enough for doing that, but...
17 years old. Right. And she was like beautiful.
That's awful. Shot in head in the car and then pushed out of the car and dragged four miles because apparently her foot was caught in the seatbelt.
Are you kidding me? Yeah. And they just pushed her into the middle of the road.
So then Tuesday, August 4th, 2009. Chris, this one is...
Like, get ready. Christina Martinez. This isn't a murder.
This is an attempted murder. This is. survival tale.
Well, I love that. She was 20 years old, Christina Martinez.
She was a mother of a one-year-old boy. She miraculously survived after being left for dead in the Turnbull Canyon.
She was at a party that night and she was with her boyfriend at the time and some acquaintances.
Now, these acquaintances were Vincent, Edward and Jose, who was known as Mike. according to this article I read that's really amazing definitely go read it I'll link it It was called The Girl Who Wouldn't Die, and it was on The Week, and it's by Erika Hayasaki.
She was taken for a ride home with these three acquaintances, and her boyfriend was going to be staying back at the party.
And she knew these guys. She had hung out with them before.
So it wasn't anything crazy. It wasn't weird.
These weren't like random dudes. She was like...
I trust them. I'm going to go home. And apparently at one point they were like, gonna stop at a beach and just kind of like hang out on the beach and like smoke weed.
Like, they were like, let's do that. I feel like that's pretty typical.
It's California. She was like, yeah, like, I'm down.
So she was like, cool. Like, we'll do that and then I'll go home.
So... And then they start driving. And it was one of those situations where all of a sudden they're going in a weird direction.
She's like, this is not... the beach and she starts asking questions and she's like where are you going and they're just ignoring her uh And eventually the driver, who was Mike, said to one of the others, tie her hands.
Yeah. And she was like, what the fuck? So she looks next to her and whichever one of those dudes was next to her had rope.
And she was like, what the fuck? What are you doing?
And it like held her down and tied her wrists.
So apparently the only thing that they can look back on with this to like be, and I'll get into the whole thing in a second, but Because she at the time was like, what the fuck is going on?
Like, what's happening? Apparently she had recently had like a little disagreement with her boyfriend and these men were like witness to it.
Mm-hmm. And it was like this word of this disagreement in front of these people got back to the father of her child.
And he had heard through, it was like a group, kind of a game of telephone.
And he got the idea that Mike... this guy Mike who's in the car driving the car yeah had actually like beaten Christine So he was going to he was pissed and he was like, I'm going to like kill this guy.
Like, are you kidding me? That's nice that he was like, yeah.
So again, television style came all the way back, back to Mike. and he thought Christine had put a hit on him oh shit like this all came out that like Like, he had thought Christine had told people this.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. Made up a story. Was asking him to hurt him.
So this was all just bad communication and just bullshit.
So this was just revenge. Mike was like, I'm going to take you out.
No. So apparently after she was tied up, they took her.
They were taking her into the canyon in the car in the pitch black in the middle of the night.
So then they took a syringe, two syringes, excuse me, and stabbed her in the neck.
With what? And they stabbed her up to five times, injecting something into her neck each time that they put it into her neck. i'm sorry how many times did you say five times what the fuck And they think that what they did was, they think it was insulin that they shot into her neck that will make you violently sick.
What? And they were literally five times, they were stabbing her in the neck with a syringe and injecting her with shit.
Like, That's fucked. And she said she immediately got hot and nauseous and was like, She couldn't understand where she was.
It was like terrible. And according to the Whittier Daily News, she said, quote, She felt a, quote, rush of heat and then choking and coughing and struggling to breathe as she became nauseous.
Gosh. They then dragged her out of the car and into the canyon to an embankment and threw her to the ground severely beat her in the head and ribs Mike then took a rock and beat her in the head until she lost consciousness. while she was being carried by them all.
And then she felt herself being hurled off a 20-foot cliff.
Dude, this is like Mary Vincent. Yes. She then sat up on her knees somehow when she landed.
She said she just like rolled over and got on her knees and she could barely understand what was happening.
Mike followed her down into the cliff. And he came behind her and then slashed her throat deeply several times. quote, using a back and forth motion.
Oh, my God. So he was sawing her throat.
Oh, all the while she testified against them, by the way.
She testified that he was saying the whole time, just let it happen.
Just let it happen. No, fuck you. She sustained a four inch laceration across her neck and numerous abrasions and head contusions, they said. my lord she managed to say something like pleading or like she was saying something like i can't i'm bleeding or something like when they were walking back up the Yeah.
And one of them noticed and said, she's still talking.
So one of the other ones came down and stabbed her twice, two times more in the neck.
Oh, my. She waited for them to get in the car and squeal away.
She climbed out of the canyon. And before she did this, she took her shirt off and tied it around her neck to stop the bleeding.
So she's like disoriented from being injected with insulin.
She's got no shoes. slashed in the throat how many times, stabbed in the throat how many times, And now she ties a shirt around her neck and is climbing up a canyon.
And she was beaten in the head with a rock and like punched and kicked and Someone give this woman a medal.
She made her way to 90-year-old woman Arlene Boatwright's home.
Arlene was probably like, what? She shows up on her door with the shirt tied around her neck, like, bleeding profusely.
Her head is gaping open. And she's like, ugh.
Ugh. And she called 911 and got help and she survived.
Wow, what a bad bitch. And she testified at the trial. hell yeah I wonder how stupid he felt when he realized that she hadn't actually done that oh yeah So Vincent, Edward, and Jose were found guilty of kidnapping, assault with a deadly weapon, attempted murder and conspiracy to commit murder, received a 39-year sentence.
It's not very long. No, it's not very long.
But you know how we feel about attempted murder.
Exactly. So that one's crazy. Wow. And then March 3rd, 2011.
The Whittier Daily News said that an unidentified woman was found dead in the canyon.
She had been there for at least a week. Her left arm was cut off.
She looked like she had been, she had had some trauma to her head.
She was barefoot and wearing just like dark clothing and that's it.
She was discovered by someone just looking into the canyon.
You think you're going out for a nice day.
Yeah, just giving a little gaze into the canyon and you see that.
Oh, my. It was determined that she was murdered and placed there.
And later, it was determined that she had died of a gunshot wounded head.
That's terrifying. After about a month, she was finally identified through dental records as Claudia... who is 41 years old.
During this search, by the way, they found another human arm that they Don't think was hers.
Oh. In the canyon. Already then. So in February 2017, after like six years of not knowing who did this to her, Her boyfriend, Francisco Nila Rojas, was charged with her murder and dumping her body.
He had fled the country five days after the murder, but was extradited back to face charges.
She had been murdered on February 18th, 2011.
He had stolen money from her bank accounts before and after the murder.
What a shit statement. He had a Ford Explorer, and when they looked into it, because they both owned it.
When they were able to search it, it had her blood in it.
And the car's passenger floor had bleach.
So he clearly tried to get away with it.
He had also bought a gun on February 12th, which was only a few days before the murder.
Dude, really? And this same gun was tested and the bullets were consistent with the ones that she was shot with.
And on the 28th of February 2017, he was sentenced to 50 years to life in prison for first-degree murder.
Wow. Now, several burning bodies have also been discovered on Turnbull Canyon Road and in the canyon itself.
What? Several? Yeah. Throughout the years.
And in a 2002 interview with, uh, I think it was the Whittier Daily News.
You love them. They're great. An official from the Los Angeles County Fire Station, he said that Turnbull Canyon Road was a seven mile stretch and had a reputation as, quote, a good place to execute people, dump bodies off and for stolen cars.
Yikes. And that's Turnbull Canyon in California.
I guess it is huh? Wow. Wow. Wow. Wow. Wow.
Wow. That is so much. Yeah. So that is a lot.
The most, one would say. Don't go there?
The fuck?! ! It's Drew. What is that? Oh my goodness.
You just scared the shit out of us. This is the second time we've jumped during this.
All right. Well, I guess that's a good time to end it.
Drew's home with the groceries. Gotta go.
Hope you keep it weird. Thank you for sitting around our campfire and being scared shitless with us.
Wow. Keep listening. We hope you keep listening.
We hope you. Keep it. Woo. But not so weird that you go to this canyon and everything happens to you there.
And not so weird that you live in my apartment and get scared at, like, the...
The drop of a hat, I think. Or foam. Oh, fuck.
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