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Hey, weirdos. I'm Elena. I'm Ash. And this is Crazy Morbid.
Yeah, guys. I feel like I'm always saying that it's been a week, but it's really been a week this time.
Every week just becomes more of a week. It does. damn this has been a week every week that i'm alive just gets harder and harder it's just always a fucking week Uh, but yeah, it was just a crazy, we've had a lot going on and then, you know, it's been hard with the weather and the kids are stuck inside. feels like the walls are closing in on us a bit.
Dear God, does it. I got a super gnarly migraine that thank goodness ash was around for because she was like go upstairs and you crazy hyena, will you please go upstairs and sleep?
And I went up for like 25 minutes in the pitch black silence.
That's all it takes if I get to a certain part in my migraine and she allowed me to have it.
Was it silent though? It was because I closed all the doors and then I put my, I usually put my head in like a vice grip of pillows when I have a migraine and it helps.
Oh my god. I've never gotten a migraine, but I will get like really bad headaches from time to time.
I think probably from being on the computer and phone as much as I am.
But, like, I can't imagine a migraine. It's gnarly.
It's really gnarly. I also don't believe you that it was silent up here because, wow, your kids can hit an They definitely can.
But I think when I want to go into my deep dark hole, I can.
And thank goodness Ash was here to take care of them while I did.
I got you. Because now I'm able to record.
Because before, I'm not going to lie, earlier today I was like, oh no.
Oh, no. Oh, no. Every time somebody says, I know it's all I think of.
I'm officially addicted to TikTok. It's true.
We can't get away from it. Sorry. It's a part of everyone's lives now.
Well, this week is Alina-centric and Alina says that...
This is a real crazy one, guys. And this one was also chosen by our Patronuses.
I almost said patrons, which is weird. Patronuses.
That's the real word for them, but... The real, real word for them is Petronasai.
So thank you Petronasai for picking this one because I was actually really excited to do this one.
And so you picked well. I mean, either one would have been awesome.
But this one, I was like, oh, it's not awesome.
But it's like, it's a terrible case that I wanted to get out there.
Okay. And it's kind of recent. So... Thank you for choosing that.
And, you know, that's that's going to happen all month.
They're going to be choosing our cases for us.
So that's kind of fun. And they picked all the ones that I was leaning toward.
You guys, you're doing amazing, sweetie.
You guys know me. So let's just dive in because I don't think I think we talked about all our business on the last episode this week.
So I think we can just kind of jump into it this week. this episode I mean I think you're right I don't I can't think of anything to say Alright, so let's start.
This is the horrific murder of Ashley Young.
So 31-year-old Ashley Young was a literal treasure to everyone around her.
It's because my name was Ashley. She seemed like just, we say this a lot, but it's like, I swear, she seemed like such an awesome person.
Oh, yeah. So her mother was told, actually, at one point, her mother Christine was told when she was like in her teenage years. that she would likely not be able to conceive children.
Oh, really? And then she became pregnant with Ashley later.
And she said that that just brought her, like every mother feels like their child is a treasure, of course.
That adds a whole layer. But she and her mother just had that extra bond because she just never thought she would have her.
So I think it was just she appreciated her even more, if you can.
I worked with a girl that that happened to, and I remember her telling me she was pregnant.
Like you've told me you were pregnant and like I was obviously like over the moon but this girl I was like oh my god I'm so happy like it adds to it it does because I mean when we thought we weren't going to be able to get pregnant with anybody.
Literally. And we had the girls. It was... You really do feel this, like, all of a sudden, oh my god.
It's like... It's like a feeling that there's no word for the feeling.
No. And that's what her mother said. And she said they always had a close relationship.
Yeah. She was definitely like a mom mom.
She was not one of those moms that was like, I'm your best friend and that's it.
It's like she was like, no, we were like best friends, but I was her mother.
Yeah. Like, I took care of her. I protected her.
I was the bad guy when I had to be the bad guy, which I think is, like, the greatest...
That's like Ma. Yeah, that's what you want.
Yeah, Ma was my best friend, but she also laid down the law and I lived in the convent when I first moved there.
And then when you become older, then you become like best friends.
You know what I mean? Like that's, I feel like that's like the dream. that's what I want yeah that's like what you want for like your kids oh so bad me too I'm like I gotta be your mom and we can be pals but like i'm your mom yeah but then when you cross around that dark side of the moon and you come around again let's get lunch we're going to be best friends and it's going to be awesome.
I can't wait. But everyone said she was just someone who would go out of their way to make people's day better.
Like, she had a real need to see everybody happy around her because she was happy.
Wow, this is going to ruin me. Yeah, it is.
I know a lot of these cases, like I said, involve this kind of talk, but Ash would...
Ashley would do things like, I'm not used to saying Ashley, I'm used to saying Ash.
You know what? I almost tweeted like five minutes ago who's Ashley because somebody called me Ashley on Twitter and now I'm really glad that I didn't.
Right? There you go. So, but Ashley would do this thing where she would write notes to people like friends to brighten their day.
Like that was her thing. Yeah. Shut up.
So like, I know like a lot of like people will be like in these cases, like she lit up a room when she came in, you know, but like.
She actively was lighting up rooms. Like, she really was.
And they said that, I read an article that said her favorite saying was, quote, if I bought you a smile, would you wear it?
Like, that's the kind of person she is. Throw me over the edge.
Yeah, that just tells you who she was. Her mother described her by saying, quote, She didn't like people being bullied. she was laughter and smiles most of the time she was headstrong at times you were lucky to have her as a friend oh my goodness So she graduated from Grand Haven High School in Michigan. in 2005, and immediately she started working jobs that allowed her to do what she did best, which was help people.
She ended up working right out of high school at a group care home for adults with special needs.
Yes, girl. So, like, she's an angel. And at the time of her death, She was working in a call center for a bank and also taking classes at Kalamazoo Valley Community College.
Damn, she did it all. She did. She was working.
And she was on her way to graduating in May of that year.
And she had plans to go to a four year school, Western Michigan University, and study language and culture. because she was so interested in learning about people, learning about other people's cultures.
Yeah, she's a people person. She was always studying different religions.
She was dating a guy at the time of... At the time of her murder, she was broken up with her boyfriend.
They were on a break, I guess. Oh, no. But I believe he was Islam and she was studying to learn more about his religion for him.
Like that was just, she was just really into like knowing about the world around her.
I love that. Which is cool. I love people that are like super open to just not necessarily like, you know. like converting to a religion, but like, or just want to know about it.
Yeah. Just want to be educated. Cause they are, they're interesting.
Absolutely. Now, Ashley from The Jump was also one of those people, and I'm sure everybody could probably tell this. that saw everyone's best sides.
She did not look at people and look at bad.
She gave people the benefit of the doubt, always.
She always looked for the good, always thought everyone had a little bit of good in them, which is not true.
It's just not. It's just not. as we all want it to be.
Now, one of these kind of people that she saw this in was Jared Chance.
He was 30 years old, and those who were close to him said he was unpredictable.
He was prone to be violent at the drop of a hat.
He had been really troubled since being a kid.
He was just a troubled teen. he had a lot of issues with the law, like he had shoplifting on his record DUIs, assaults, drug possession he was always in trouble and he's like 30 he was 30 at this point but these started from way before.
Between 2006 and 2016 he had 38 run-ins with the police.
38? 38. That weren't recorded. July 2009, just to give you a couple of instances so you can really understand who Jared Chance is.
Mm-hmm. Because otherwise, like, a couple of these things, they didn't tell you his record, and then you read what he did, and you're like, what the fuck?
Like, how did it get there? This will give you a little bit of insight.
July 2009, he headbutted a police officer in the nose in front of his parents.
What? Which, remember his parents, because those fuckers are going to come back later.
Uh-oh. The same year he did this, he crawled through the doggy door of his then girlfriend's home when she had told him, like, he wasn't to come to her house, so he did it without her permission while he was under the influence.
No. Yep. 2011, there was a ton of domestic shit at his parents' home between him and his brother.
And it was him coming after his parents, basically.
He would come in drunk. He would punch walls.
He would throw things just being totally violent when police came at one point he punched one officer in the head And ended up having to be tased.
Did we know if he had a troubled childhood?
I don't know a lot about his childhood.
I know his father is a retired police sergeant.
Not that that has anything to do with it, but I'm just saying that's really all I know about his family.
Sure. Like that's literally it. Okay. There's no history of mental illness.
There's no... There's no history of police being at the home when he was a child.
Okay. you know, domestic things between his parents or there's no CPS things like between... So it doesn't seem like...
Weird. I mean, obviously, it's not always nurture sometimes.
It's nature. It's not always. but you wonder like what happened here because once you find out about what the parents also did here, you're like, all right, What happened here?
Like, what's going on? But in 2016... He had assaulted his younger brother a ton during this year.
I mean, like, and he was only, like, a couple of years younger than him, so when they were, like, teenagers.
Sure. And at one point when the police were called, the report read, quote, During a heated exchange between Conrad, which is his younger brother, and Jared Jared took a blowtorch and kept getting closer to Conrad's face.
What the And was acting like he was going to burn Conrad.
And then it says, when Jared was allegedly hitting Conrad with a stick...
He told him, I'm going to fucking kill you.
F word. What? Yeah. And when you say F word, do you mean F-A-G?
Oh, I hate that word. That's why I can't say that word.
I can't either. No, I can't either. That's what he's calling his brother while he's beating him with a fork. fucking stick after using a blowtorch near his face.
Who the fuck left him in You're a blowtorch is what I want to know.
Hello, mom and dad. Why is there a blowtorch near this kid?
Yikes. He's violent. Yikes. Well, so that's Jared.
Oh, what a guy Ashley wanted to help him How did she know him?
She met him, I believe they met somewhere through work.
And she, they became like friendly because she said like, She looked at him as like he was just a troubled guy.
He was a good guy deep down. And she said he made bad choices, he was struggling with some addictions, and she just...
Felt like he was getting a raw deal out of life because of it.
She sounds like a really good person. So she's looking at this with like... rainbows and roses and butterflies because that's who she is as a human being.
She like walked through life with rose-colored glasses.
Exactly. You know, somebody in her literally I think her mother actually said that.
Oh, shit. Yeah, I think. I say that all the time.
And she truly did. She's one of those people that absolutely you can say that about.
And unfortunately, Jared wasn't this guy that got a raw deal that was just struggling and He just sucked.
He's just an asshole. That's just really the reality of it.
Then, so they became slightly close, just friends.
She was just trying to help him out, trying to get him on the right path.
Sure. She thought she could do it. We all do.
I can change him. Then at one point he broke into her apartment and stole some of her shit to sell. yeah so she cut ties with him after that good yeah she was like no that's you know that's the end of my line Not into that.
And I think it was mostly that her like family and friends were like, yeah, that's dangerous.
And you need to not allow that to happen.
I mean, I hate that her things were stolen, but, like, thank God that's all that happened.
Thank goodness. Like, he crawled through the doggy door of an ex-girlfriend.
Exactly. Also, get rid of your doggie door.
Yeah, no. Do not have a doggie door. I never understand a doggy door.
Nope. So then in 2017, a friend told her that she should give Jared another chance. and reconnect with him on Facebook okay Because I said, you know, he's just struggling.
He's sorry. You guys should, like, maybe touch.
You know what? She did. Well, it seems like she was the kind of person where you could go to her if somebody if if you felt like somebody needed help and you weren't the one that was going to help.
Exactly. And she would step in and do it.
So they became friendly again. They were starting to talk again.
She was trying to be like... arm's length a little bit, but she was like starting to allow him in.
They weren't like best friends. It's not like they were like together all the time.
Everyone around her fucking hated this. Her mother especially told her a ton of times, he's a bad guy.
Do not trust him. He doesn't deserve your help.
He's not a good guy, Ashley. She was like, I know you think he is down there somewhere, but some people are just shit.
And he's one of those people. I hate that she didn't get a chance to learn that.
She knew, though, that she couldn't control her adult daughter.
Her daughter was the... early 30s at this point.
But she was worried about their friendship.
So her mother later said this. She said, quote, she just didn't believe that anything could ever happen.
She wore rose-colored glasses. Now, because she trusted him, she's dead.
Oh. So that lets you know what's happening.
So let's get to the day. that this all started.
Already? We're here. So Ashley was going to be getting an apartment. and her mother Christine was going to co-sign the lease for her.
So this was on November 29th, 2018. Christine was going to be meeting Ashley to sign this leash.
They had made this predetermined date at a predetermined time. she didn't show up.
Oh no. This was strange. So her mom was like, cause I get Ashley's not this girl that you're like, well, she didn't show up.
That's Ashley. You know, like, And the other thing is, like, it's her apartment.
She's co-signing a lease for an apartment.
Right. Yeah, like, this is a big deal. Right.
Christine attempted to call Ashley, got nothing.
She was calling everywhere she could, couldn't find her.
It ended up being a couple of days of her trying to reach her and couldn't get anywhere, was talking to Anyone she could.
And again, she's 30. So it's like this is hard to it's not like a child or a teen.
She said, weirdly, at 5.45 a.m. that day before, like, early in the morning before she had gone and realized that Ashley hadn't shown up.
So before anything happened. Before anything happened, she said in bed.
She woke up. At 5.45 a.m. and she said suddenly her arms and legs went numb.
Ooh. wow and she says now she is positive that that is the moment her daughter was murdered wow I get like chills just even because when you find out, keep what she just said.
Her arms and legs. Her arms and legs went numb.
Okay. Just remember that? I got like, you know when you don't get a chill, but your whole body just does this like, whoa. yes yes yes that's just and like it's slightly tingly yes You know that happened when Nanny passed away?
I woke up in the middle of the night with a night terror.
That happened to me. Our grandmother. Or your great-grandmother.
Because I was like, wait, it's not my mom.
But yeah, my grandmother, your great grandmother, I woke up at a certain time and I was like, oh.
And I just like jolted out of sleep. We have like a weird psychic gene in our family.
A weird witchy gene. So Christine, the mom, knew Ashley had just seen Jared Chance in the previous days.
Mm-hmm. So she called some people, she got his contact information, and she tried to get in touch with him.
She called him. She texted him. She sent him Facebook messages on Messenger and just asking about Ashley.
I can't imagine what this poor woman was feeling.
Oh, it's horrific. He responded and he said...
He said, sure, we were together. He said we were together the previous Wednesday, November 28th at the hookah lounge.
And we also went to Mulligan's Pub in Grand Rapids.
Okay. So he was like, this is where we were.
We were out that night. He said they were there most of the evening and into the early hours of November 29th.
Okay. So then that same night, he said they went back to both of these places again.
That's weird. So he's like, we went there the 28th.
We went there the 29th. Oh, OK. That's not that weird.
While they were there, he said Ashley had lost her phone he believes that like the hookah lounge and on the 30th she went back to get it mm-hmm So this was on the 30th and he was like, oh yeah, she's going back to get her.
That's why you haven't been able to get in touch with her.
Knowing full well. Then... She's not going anywhere.
This is what kills me. He bullshitted this mother, like, from, like...
So much. Because imagine the little string of hope that she had like run throughout her veins And you know what?
That ties into his sentencing later. oh it does the judge says the fact that you dangled some hope in front of this woman like intentionally like that's considered in this fuck yeah which is awesome good we love a good judge we love a good judge So then he said she went back to Kalamazoo to work the third shift at the call center.
And her mother was like, no, that doesn't make sense because she doesn't work that shift that day.
Right. And he was like, I know my daughter and I are close.
I know. Yeah, exactly. And he was like, yeah, I don't know what to tell you.
So he was like, all right, well, you know, let me just reassure you.
I just spoke to her. Like I just spoke to her.
She was totally fine. How are you that fucking evil?
How? Yeah, so he was like, well, that's all I can tell you.
Like, that's all I got. So... He was like, you know what, if you really want, there's this guy named Demetrius, I think his name, Demetrius Taylor.
And he said, he's our friend. He saw Ashley with me that night.
Like he can give you, maybe he can help you out.
Maybe he's seen her. So he gives Christine his phone number and then he gives her a bunch of other phone numbers and he's like, here's all these friends that you can call.
He's just trying to make a fool out of this woman.
Exactly, because all those phone numbers were fake.
Are you fucking kidding me? Every single one of them.
And she finally, so he did give her the real name of a friend.
Demetrius Taylor. So she was like, well, now I'm going to find his real number.
So she did. Right. And she finally got in touch with him.
Spoke to him and he said, no, I have not seen your daughter.
I've not met your daughter. I don't know where she is.
So this was just his friend. yeah what the fuck yeah why would you throw your friend under the bus like that oh don't worry because that comes back later okay good So she told Jared this.
She calls him back and is like, he just said that you're lying.
Like, hey, fuckface. Like, no. And he said, oh, I don't know why he would say that.
Like, he's lying. What are you talking about?
I feel like I don't trust you, like, even in... a little bit well and then he just stopped responding to her yeah like he stopped answering phone he stopped texting he stopped messaging back So all calls and texts went unanswered after this.
So Christine is like, fuck. So she's like, this is shady, shady, shady.
So she called the police immediately. She filed a missing persons report, and then she went down to Mulligan's herself and asked to see the CCTV footage.
Iconic. She's an icon. I love her mother.
Love Christine. She's amazing. And she was like, I need to see these nights that Ashley was supposedly there.
So she was on the footage one night, and she was there with...
Jared. So everything seemed fine. But what killed me was her mother said while watching this footage...
She just wanted to pull her out of the screen and protect her.
Obviously. Because you're sitting there being like something terrible happened and I want to pull you in this moment to like stop the next moments from happening.
So two days later, on December 2nd, police were called. by Jared's neighbor.
And he lived in the same apartment building as Jared.
His name was Mario Nelson. and he said that he was the downstairs neighbor of Jared, and he said to police that the basement of the apartment smelled like raw sewage.
And it was so bad that he felt like he had to see what was going on down there because it's a shared basement.
Oh, so he was like, what the fuck? So he went down there and saw tarp with, quote, a stream of blood coming out of it.
He just left that in a shared basement? Yep.
What the fuck? He said later on trial, because he took the stand later, this neighbor.
Oh, this neighbor. and he later said and the way he says it he seems like this guy kind of seems like a hot shit Like, he's just funny.
We love it. Because like, what do you do when you find like, what the fuck?
And on trial, he said, quote, there's blood in my basement.
I don't know if it's normal for anyone else, but there's not supposed to be blood in my basement.
Accurate, sir. so he was like yeah that's why i call because they ask you like stupid questions like why did you call the police that day and he's like there's blood in my face why the wouldn't i so That day on December 2nd, the Grand Rapids Police Department Sergeant Greg Alcala came first on scene.
And he said when he got into the basement, it was clear and pungent, the odor of decay.
Because obviously police officers know the smell.
Yeah. And he's like, I walked in. First thing that smacked me in the nose was someone's dead down here.
He said as he approached the tarp, it got much, much worse, much, much stronger.
And he looked inside the tarp and boom. He said the torso of a female and nothing else was in there.
Nope, nope, nope, nope. Now if you remember, her mother felt like her arms and legs went numb.
And this is just a torso. I didn't even think that we were at that part yet.
Yep. She was missing her arms and legs.
She was also missing her head. It was a headless, armless, legless torso.
So it was literally just the middle. Yes.
Yeah. It's in a shared basement. Yeah. In an apartment building.
That is fucking ballsy. Yeah. That's not the right word, but it's... unreal what it's truly unreal that's why i hate living in an apartment well While they searched this area, they found a bloody saw blade in the basement. and in the furnace duct hidden were hundreds of unused casings like bullet casings, and two used casings from a .22 caliber gun.
They were clearly hidden from view. on James, so then they immediately are looking at James now.
Also, I love that... He hid those from you, but not the dead body.
But not the actual torso. The torso. Yeah.
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So they go on to James's back patio porch thing that he had, and he had a black trash can with a mop in it.
And the trash can had two more saw blades in it, a boot, a bathtub drain cover, extra trash bags, a plastic bottle of ammonia... blue latex gloves a pair of pants with James's name written on them and a bunch of rolls of plastic wrap Okay.
Several of these items were soaked in blood.
Just sitting on his back patio. No. They tested positive later for human blood.
Obviously. And they tested positive for Ashley Young's blood later.
There were three shower curtain rings from Jared's apartment found in the backyard.
His apartment was missing a shower curtain, like it had been torn down, then just like put somewhere.
On the stairway leading up to his apartment were black women's boots, a fan box, like a cardboard box that like a fan came in.
And a purple tote. And there was also a cardboard box with Jared's name and address on it.
Can I explain to you really quickly that when you said fan, I wasn't thinking like what everyone else was thinking. because I watch Drag Race way too much, and I was thinking, like, Thwarp Fan.
Oh, no, I was too when I first read that.
I was like, fan box? What's that? But I was like, what was that about?
What was that? No, like an electric fan.
Actual fan. And they go into this like, woo.
Not a thwarp. Yeah, not a thwarp. So they open this cardboard box.
And inside are two human legs. Sans feet.
And two human arms. Sans hands. Yep. so now we have found a torso we have found legs and arms we have no hands we have no feet we have no neck we have no head what the fuck So they open the purple tote.
Inside is a pair of shoes, a medicine bottle, and...
Some more shower rings matching the other ones that matched his apartment shower rings.
So I don't know why he scattered them everywhere.
And I'm sorry, you said this was found in the stairway leading to his apartment?
Okay. I just needed to confirm that. Everything's basically just like right out there.
Alrighty. So they open this fan box and inside is duct tape and a black trash bag.
They open the trash bag and it has bloodstained clothing belonging to a woman and bloodstained bedding.
All of it has tested positive for human DNA, and it is Ashley's DNA.
They found that out. And there's also a couple of other unknown DNA matches, but that's kind of to be expected in that scenario.
Now inside of his apartment, they found a kitchen tile that was stained a dark red color.
They found and they actually a few kitchen tiles, not just one.
I was like, They were big tiles, though.
Like, they weren't those little ones. So, like, those bigger kitchen tiles.
Like floor tile. Yeah. And so it was a couple of them, though.
A utility knife inside the trap of the toilet in his bathroom.
That's the little thing where you have to fix the flusher?
And a white hand towel with a reddish brown stain.
They also found a pair of blue jeans, size 30, with a brownish colored stain on the left upper front.
And the trap of his kitchen sink tested positive for human blood and contained a small piece of human tissue.
Oh my god. So it's literally like a slaughterhouse in here.
She's been missing for how many days and he's just living in this?
Yeah. He hasn't cleaned this up? Oh, no.
And we'll find out what he was doing. know, but I do.
I have to know. Well, there was also human blood in the washing machine in his apartment.
That's so crazy. And there was also a black hoodie and a bath mat that also tested positive for human blood.
So there was just human blood all up in the crevices of everywhere.
And they were like, this is Jared's apartment?
And they were like, yeah. And they were like, okay, Jared, um...
You're going to come with us because there's some stuff that we need to talk to you about.
So he was taken in and he was charged. He was charged with mutilation of a dead body and concealing a death because at this point. that's all they can really do yeah police interviewed more of his neighbors and one told them that he was like, oh yeah, he's like a really violent guy and talks about violence a lot.
And then he said he once told me he knew how to kill someone and get away with it.
I feel like that's not true based on all of the evidence.
I feel like you know how to kill someone, but you definitely don't know how to get away with it.
We've determined that is a lie. you're the worst is what we've determined right now.
So December 5th, they decide they've already talked to Jared.
He's not given them anything, but they have all this evidence, obviously.
So now, December 5th, They take their asses over to Holland, Michigan, to his parents' house.
Okay. because they now know from him that he was with them in the days like... after the murder.
Sure. So they show up with a search warrant and they find the shower curtain.
In the garage that was missing from Jared's apartment.
Okay. So he brought that with him to his parents' house.
Oh yeah, they search the living room in their home and find normal things like a couch and some bookshelves and like maybe a television and some knickknacks.
And then they also find a black and red skill saw with blood and tissue on it under the couch.
I really wish that you would set that up where you're like, you know, a sofa and a TV and a hacksaw and also a fireplace. because same thing yikes either way under the couch under the floral patterned couch was a black and red skill saw with human tissue and blood on it.
Why would you put that under your couch?
Like, I'm not telling you how to cover up your murder, but like...
Also, his father was a retired police sergeant.
Right. So you'd think he'd be like, hey, we should bury that in the backyard.
You know, getting away with murder 101. Don't put that under the couch.
I feel like they're going to come looking and they might look under the couch.
I don't know. Let's not leave that shower curtain just displayed in the garage.
In the garage. Well they also found a washcloth in the basement that was soaked in blood.
And in the Honda CR-V that belonged to the parents, they found an empty bottle of ammonia in the trunk. and an empty box of blue latex gloves.
Oh, okay, Casey Anthony. Yeah! And there was a label on most of these things that was labeled Miss Tracy's Party Store.
And it was a place in town. Where you can buy your ammonia and gloves.
Exactly. So you can buy your after-murder kit, apparently.
So they immediately go to Miss Tracy's party store. of course.
Hi, we'd like to speak to Tracy, please.
Hello, is Miss Tracy here? We'd get the cctv footage for that day and they see that jared was there oh that's so crazy so crazy And he was purchasing so much stuff.
Like ammonia and gloves and trash bags. Like balloons and... utensils, wigs, confetti, those little party poppers.
He was also getting ammonia and trash bags.
And he was doing these things between the days of November 29th and December 1st.
Alrighty. So the CCTV also showed behind the party store.
And crazy, Jared went behind the party store where the dumpsters and shit are, and he dumped a bunch of stuff into the dumpsters.
Do people not realize that there are security cameras?
Airware. Literally, airware. Airware. Everywhere.
Well, police were like, oh, let's go look in those dumpsters.
So they went and looked in the dumpsters.
And they got an orange bag in there that contained additional women's clothing. a prescription bottle with Ashley Young's name on it, and a purse containing Ashley's driver's license and school ID.
Yep. I hate that. There was a stain on a pair of jeans that also tested positive for human blood.
And there was a hoodie belonging to Ashley Young that had copious amounts of blood in the hood.
Okay. It's horrific. We have not located a head.
We have not. Now back at this apartment, at Jared's apartment, they found Ashley's parked car down the street, abandoned.
So they finally located her car. So now they're like, okay, so what happened here?
How did all this stuff end up at his parents' home?
What happened in these few days? Right. What's going on?
So what happened was this. On December 1st, we don't know, here's the thing, we don't know what exactly happened to Ashley Young.
Jared has not said it, he won't say it, and we don't have enough body parts to determine it.
We never get them. We have not ha- I say we.
They have not found her head. Oh, or her leg or her feet or her hands.
So all they have is the torso. Torso, legs and arms. and I'll get into this in a minute, but like we can't We don't know what happened and he won't say it.
We know that she died somewhere between the 28th and the 1st.
And there was copious amounts of blood in the kitchen.
There was bedding that was covered in blood.
I believe she was likely dismembered maybe partially in the kitchen and maybe partially in the bathroom due to the You know, the shower curtain being torn down and brought to his parents' house, but...
We don't know. Well, I'm wondering. And that's what sucks.
Because you said there was so much blood in the sweatshirt, like in the hood of the sweatshirt.
Yeah. And then there was hidden shell cases.
He's... Do you think maybe he shot her in the head?
That's a theory, and we'll get into that, but for sure, that's definitely a theory.
So what happened was this, though, from what happened with the parents.
That we know. So on December 1st, Jared's parents, James and Barbara Chance, and his brother Conrad drove to pick Jared up at his apartment and bring him back to their home.
They didn't know what was going on at this point.
Did he call and say like, can you pick me up?
Yeah, I think he was just like, can you pick me up?
So Jared carried with him to the car a cardboard box that had a black plastic bag in it.
We now know this had arms and legs in it.
Now, December 2nd, James took, apparently he told them what happened.
He told them what was going on. And they said, we got to cover this up.
Wow, a retired police officer decided to cover up a murder for his son.
Now what happened on December 2nd, though, is that James took Jared to the Grand Rapids Police Department.
And I think he was telling him, okay, I think they were trying to cover their tracks initially and make sure it looked like...
Yeah, they were trying to figure something out.
I don't know exactly what their idea was here.
It doesn't seem like they did a very good job.
But he did bring him to the Grand Rapids Police Department and Jared's attorney claimed that they were told to go tell the Kalamazoo.
Police Department because that's where the missing persons report was filed.
Okay. Because I think what he was doing was he was going to bring him there to say he knows something about her disappearance.
Sure. I don't think he was going there to be like, he cut her into a lot of pieces.
I think he was going to try something here.
Do you think maybe he just assumed they would take him into an interrogation room and just like finally break it?
Yeah, I think it was maybe or like he was going to... I think...
What we'll see here is that it seems like Jared has been conditioned to... not out what his parents have done, especially his dad, to me.
And I think that his dad was like, we took care of this for you.
You're going to take the heat for this. But we're going to try to keep it as like chill as possible.
Like make it so that you don't admit anything.
You don't tell them what happened. You just serve your time and that's it.
That's horrific. Yeah, that's what it seems to me.
Sure. Because he's not talking. Right. So...
They were like, apparently what Jared's attorney is saying is that the Grand Rapids Police Department was like, you need to do this at Kalamazoo.
Because that's where the missing persons report was.
Basically, we were like, go away. Whatever.
But the Grand Rapids police say, no, no, that's not how that went.
And they said James came in with his son, Jared. and demanded an attorney for Jared before he would even, they said he will not speak a word without an attorney.
So get him one. Okay. And they were like, no.
Yeah, like you're not arrested for They were like, we haven't detained, like what?
You don't have a right to counsel yet. Yeah, we haven't even read you.
You're like, no, we don't even know who you are.
What are you here for? like they didn't even know what was going on so they couldn't question him because they he wanted an attorney but they were also like we don't No, you would think his father would remember that from back in the day.
Well, so he just left with his dad and then he went back to his Grand Rapids apartment. by himself carrying that cardboard box with the trash bag inside.
So they just, he's back at his apartment now that's covered in blood and dropped the cardboard box outside his apartment and then just like went inside and was like, What do I do now?
And then just like lived in that apartment.
And that's when the police showed up. and we're like what the fuck is all this shit oh man it's so bizarre So the forensic pathologist who did the autopsy, the partial autopsy on the body parts that they did have was Dr. David Start.
Um, he obviously was only able to autopsy the torso arms and legs.
Sure. He determined with DNA that it was Ashley Young.
It was identified as her. Obviously missing head, neck, hands, and feet.
They couldn't determine the cause of death because there was nothing on those body parts that determined a cause of death.
But they said because the head and neck were gone in particular and not found, like obviously being hidden very well, he was betting the cause of death had something to do with those two body parts.
And he said that's why they're being hidden better than the rest.
Now the prosecutor, Lawrence Boivin, said, quote, why do you hide the head?
You hide the head because that shows exactly how she died. which I agree.
He said telling from the amount of blood and location of blood found on Ashley's like soaked clothing, the hoodie, where it all was really going.
It was likely blunt force trauma, like repeated blunt force trauma hits.
Or a gunshot or multiple gunshots to the head.
Okay. But again, and he said, like you said, those casings they found.
And they were like clearly. hidden he was like there was two spent ones and there was some that were unspent he was like he was known to have a gun And as we'll see when people are testifying, he was known to use that gun in really reckless ways.
That's so scary. Whenever I see, like, oh, that just stresses me out.
It's horrifying. It truly is. He said she was dismembered likely by a reciprocating saw or something like that because it was able to cut through the bone which which is not easy to cut through bone.
And also it created sharp edges, which she noted in this article. in these cuts and was that edges was that like the saw that was found exactly it was like a skill saw So, and that skill saw was tested, and it was tested for human tissue and blood.
It had human tissue and blood on it, and it was identical. fight as Ashley's.
Wow. So James, the former police officer, remember James Chance, his father.
Sounds like an idiot. And Barbara Chance were also, were charged with perjury and accessories after the fact, once he was brought in.
How would the father not think that that's not going to happen?
That's what's shocking to me. When I found out he was a former cop, I was like...
What? I mean, unless he was just like, you know, like, I'll do this for my kid and knew that he probably wasn't going to get, like, that much punishment.
Which, like... I was talking about this case with John when I was researching it, and I was like...
I was like, I hope you feel the same way I do.
I was like, I love my children. I will do anything for my children.
I will walk through glass. Never in a million years.
But if my child steals the life of someone else's child...
You pay the price. Right. Like you pay the price.
Absolutely. Like you. I'm not going to back you.
No. If you. Murder someone. That's not like in cold blood.
No way. Like, will I still visit you in jail because I love you?
Absolutely. Self-defense? Sure. But if it's like, you're just cold-blooded murdering someone?
No. What? No. No, you don't defend your child in that situation.
And your child who has shown... violence towards you, violence towards your other children, like a disregard for any kind of authority or law enforcement at all.
Like, No. It's just the parent-child relationship is such an interesting one because parents can forgive their kids for a lot.
Oh. For sure. Obviously. And it's like, if they want to forgive him for this, that's their business, whatever.
They don't really have... Honestly, they don't have a right to forgive him or not forgive them because it wasn't their child that was stolen.
Yeah. But it's like... That's terrible parenting.
You should always teach your kid that actions have consequences.
I think he wasn't taught that. Your consequence is going to fucking jail.
Like you are serving time now. You did a terrible, terrible thing.
Right, because it's like... If you love your kid, that should be your reaction.
Well, it's like, if... if my child, God forbid, ever killed somebody in that manner to I would never cover it up just because I never would like period.
No, but. how are you gonna sit there and like not think about the fact that this could happen again Exactly.
If you help them out, they could do this again.
They could do it again, and then it's on you again to help them out.
And two... You are a parent. Think of that, the victim's parents.
Your child stole someone's baby from them.
As being selfish. Like, you should be thinking of the other parents and being like, how could I ever call myself a parent and cover this up and allow these parents to grieve like that?
No. Like, no. It's just insane. So investigators said that they both knew about the mutilation of Ashley Young because he told them, obviously, and showed them things. but they did not reveal this to investigators when they were questioned.
They made sure to pretend they had nothing to do with this.
They knew nothing. I'd be like, listen, there's a saw under your floral fucking couch.
What do you know? And it's also like, okay, so you're sitting there trying to pretend you're going to bat for your kid, but what you're doing is trying to, like... hide shit for him but then you're being like i didn't know anything about this but you're throwing him under the bus again it doesn't make sense so it's like it doesn't make sense That's why to me it seems like the father was trying to cover this up, not to say that he didn't do it, but to cover it up to a point. where he could only be charged for so much.
Because I think his father did know if we get rid of the head...
That's where all the evidence is. That's where the cause of death is.
That's where they can start to piece together what happened.
If we get rid of this head, we don't have that.
And they can only charge him with so much. and what we find out is they I mean he does get the highest sentence so that's good but he in his thinking I think he was like maybe they won't be able to get him Because maybe they'll only get him on mutilation of a body after death.
Right. So I think he was thinking like that, but it trailed off.
This is the one of the strangest case. It is so strange.
So their trial was set for October 2019, but we'll talk about that later.
Jared was charged with open murder and four counts of tampering with evidence.
Because again, they don't have a cause of death.
They technically don't have the manner of death.
Right. Well, they have the manner of death homicide, but without the head. they're struggling.
So an employee of Mulligan's Pub actually testified at the trial and said that they did see Ashley with another man at the pub on the night of November 28th.
And they said they thought that man was Jared, but they couldn't Completely say it was him.
Then go away. But he said... This person said he did not... see Ashley on the night of November 29th.
So when Jared said we went back to that pub on November 29th, she didn't go back to that pub.
So now they can start piecing together when she died.
So Demetrius Taylor, remember that guy? He was the one that Jared gave the cell phone number to Christine, Ashley's mother. and said, call him.
He saw us together. Well, he testified at the trial.
Oh, shit. And he said, sure. Jared told me to tell Christine that Ashley had come by my house to use my phone and then left.
That's what he told me to tell her. And he didn't tell her that, right?
No, he didn't. He said, so Taylor said...
I didn't want to. He said, I didn't know what had happened.
Yeah. It's weird that Jared's telling me to lie about where this girl I know he's fucked up.
And he's like, I didn't want to know anything else.
Like, I wasn't trying to get myself involved in that.
And then he said, I wasn't going to lie to this woman about her child.
Like I wasn't going to do that. Hi, I'm not a monster.
No, so he said I told her the truth. that I've never met Ashley and that I didn't know where she was.
And that was the truth. Yeah. And he was like, I just did that.
Right. And he said after Jared learned that he had told Christine that he didn't know her and that he didn't know where he was. that Jared sent him tons of text messages being like, you're a fucking asshole.
He wrote, you're fucking stupid, bro. You just fucked me.
Bro, delete all these messages. I'd be like, no.
Yeah. You're the one that dragged me into this.
Fuck you. You're stupid, bro. It's ridiculous.
It's ridiculous. So then they also had Mario Nelson testify.
He was the one who initially found the torso in the basement he shared that basement right it was like his neighbor he's the hot shot Yeah, he said that he had known Jared to have a gun.
He had a revolver. And he said at one point he had seen him spin the gun around on the table during a visit with him, like when he went over his apartment once.
And he said this made him super uncomfortable.
He was like, he plays with that fucking gun.
Like, it's weird. That is bizarre. And he said that he also had bragged to him on one occasion that he knew how to get rid of a body because, quote, What?
Like, what? Also, like, you can't go around telling people that.
I'm like, obviously he's not, because...
Because if you were the child of a former or present mob, and also used to be, what?
Yeah, like you don't get out of the Irish mob.
And it's like if you're a child of a mobster, you know not to go around telling people you're the child of a mobster.
Whatever. So he also... He also said that he saw Ashley at Jared's apartment around the time she went missing.
Yeah. And he said he went over to Jared's apartment at one point to smoke weed with him.
But he said he couldn't tell the exact date.
And he said after he did this, when he went over, he like smoked with him.
He said right after that, Jared suddenly asked him to help unlock Ashley's car.
And he was like, what do you mean unlock Ashley's car?
Where is she? And he said... Oh, he said Ashley locked her keys in the car, which was a Ford Focus.
And he was like, can you just help me go get him?
She's out somewhere like with someone else.
How is she out if she doesn't have her car?
She said somebody else got her. Did Mario go to his apartment to smoke?
Yeah. How? It might have been outside or something.
They didn't say if it was inside or not.
I'm like, I'm sure they would have asked him, like, did you see everything?
Yeah. What I'm guessing is it was probably like outside or something like that.
Weird. And his girlfriend also testified, Mario's girlfriend, also said that she saw Jared driving a Ford Focus R. on November 30th.
This guy is... Wow. You're very brazen, sir.
So much. So Jared's brother, Conrad, actually testified.
Against him? Yes. Good. He said he had been at his brother's apartment when Ashley was there in the days before her death.
Mm-hmm. And he said in the days that he was there, his brother at one point went into another room to get a Smith & Wesson .22 caliber gun. and he said then he came back into the room with him pointed the gun at his brother's head And pulled the trigger more than once without seeing if the gun was loaded.
Like Russian roulette style. What? fuck is this kid was probably so excited to testify oh yeah he was like let me fuck his world up i literally was like here's this tea that i have i'm gonna pour it over your face yep like yeah it's Well, then he said that when Ashley was there when that happened and he said he testified that Ashley said, you're never supposed to do that.
Oh, I love her. And he said he returned a couple of days later to the apartment with his parents. but he said he was foggy on the details of that day.
Conrad said that he went back. He said he remembered helping Jared get his things, like a cardboard box, into the car, and that Jared was very upset.
He said the entire family drove around looking for Ashley's Ford Focus.
Yeah, no, they were driving around looking for a place to put Ashley's head.
And they found it eventually because he had moved it.
Jared had moved it, but he couldn't remember where he had moved it.
And eventually they found it parked down the street and Jared got out and took them some things from inside of it and then got back in the car with them.
What is this family? Yeah, exactly. What is this family?
I'm saying. The pathologist testified that because they were trying to say that this was possibly like negligent homicide because he was so careless with his firearm that, whoops, maybe he just accidentally shot her.
But that's no, because that's not an accident.
Playing Russian roulette is not an accident.
Exactly. And. Nope, because he also... Cut her into pieces.
Yeah, like, that's our, that's a given. Can we not pretend that this was like, oh, no, like, you, nope. that goes up my ass the pathologist testified but no this was not a negligent homicide he said even if Even though he doesn't have the head where Cause of Death was, he said...
It was intentional based on the blood and evidence he saw in autopsy.
He said this was totally, he said the amount of blood that was possibly coming from her head was not a whoops.
No. You know? I can't believe he even had to, like, testify that.
Yeah. Jared was offered a deal, a plea deal, that if he revealed where Ashley's head and neck were... then he would get 31 years.
Okay. He refused. Can you say a sentence now?
Well, I'll tell you in one sec. So he refuses to tell where Ashley's head is.
Or her hands or her feet. That is so bizarre, too, because it's like...
No matter what, you would still get 31 years.
This is your deal. Exactly. No matter what.
And? The hands and feet to me too, I'm like, she was bound.
Oh, yeah. That's why he got rid of the hands and feet.
Definitely. So you can't see the ligature marks.
Yeah. And it's like, that's what this is.
Do you, this might be like a stupid question, but because the legs weren't found was.
The legs were found. The legs were found.
Legs, arms, and torso were found. So was there any head, neck, hands, and feet?
Okay, sorry. It's hard to keep track. No, it's fine.
Was there any evidence of, like... No. ...sexual assault or anything?
Nope. Not that was... that was said in any of the sources I found.
All right. He was convicted of second degree murder and mutilation of a body.
The judge sentenced him to 100 years in prison.
Iconic. And said he didn't want him to have the opportunity to get out of prison until he was 130 years old.
I love that so much. Ashley's mom gave a statement standing in front of Jared. who was forced to stand in front of her while she did this.
She held the box with Ashley's cremated remains in her hand.
She said a couple of things. She said you do not deserve to breathe.
She said if I want to hug, I have to hug a box.
She said, you will never tell me where she is because you like to torment people.
You like to hurt them. You enjoy it. then she said she listens to the voicemail of her daughter every day and cries and she said just hearing her voice and her laughter She screamed at him, you had no right to take her from me.
And then she said, Jared Chance, I hate you.
I want to rip you from limb to limb and discard you just like you did to Ashley.
You threw her out like trash and she was your friend.
Why? And she said she had no idea what Ashley saw in him that was worth saving.
My goodness. And then Jared stood there, wouldn't look her in the eye, never made any kind of facial expression.
I wish there was some way when things like this happen that they have to look at the person.
Like they should have, somebody like a bailiff should be holding their face to look at somebody.
Like obviously we can't do that, but I so wish.
They should. Jared said nothing when he was given the opportunity to make a statement or apologize.
He said no, he would not. What an asshole.
And he still, he refuses still to reveal where her head is, and he won't give a motive, and he won't give a cause. of death because he's a fucking monster.
Now, the trial court was presided over by Judge Mark Trussock, And he really gave it to him.
He said, quote, he said the trial was one of the most gruesome he had ever seen.
And he said, you, sir, in my mind are a very evil individual.
You are clearly a monster without any conscience whatsoever.
And then he said, you are someone who is a danger to society and should never be allowed free mm-hmm he also when talking about because there's specific guidelines obviously that they have to take under account for like sentencing and all that.
And when he spoke of this, he said, more significantly, the guidelines do not take into effect the level brutality involved in this matter, and your lack of compassion and total lack of remorse.
Unfortunately, I've been doing this type of work for 34 years.
I've been on the bench for 13 years. I personally have been involved in over 200 murder or death cases.
This is without question the worst case that I have ever been involved in.
What you did and what I saw in photographs was reprehensible and heinous.
This goes beyond comprehension for the jury to even have to see the limited number of pictures that I allowed was insane. in this just incomprehensible.
And yet you sat during trial and even today you make no comment.
I haven't. I know you have the right to to not incriminate yourself.
However, I observed you during the course of this trial and you seemed, at time, to derive pleasure from the testimony in this trial that was at best described as gruesome.
Wow. So he's literally like, I've been watching your ass this whole time and I can see that you're enjoying this.
See, I hate... Like, I am so happy that people get to make their statements, but it's like, I hate that... these criminals that do things like this get off on that.
Yeah, because you can tell he gets off on causing harm and hurt.
Right, right. Now, the parents went on trial in October and at the time, 54-year-old Barbara Chance pleaded no contest to accessory after the fact in perjury, and she was sentenced to...
45 days in jail. That's ridiculous. James, who was 77 at the time, was convicted of accessory after the fact.
That's interesting. One month in jail. Now, when they were sentenced, they did, because this was in 2020 that they were sent, that sentencing hearing for them.
Mm-hmm. And they did this over Zoom because it was 2020, obviously.
Right. both Ashley's parents, now Ashley's biological father was there, Her mother and her mother's partner Dana were there, and they were able to give their statements.
And I just want to play what Christine said, because the parents, obviously Jared's parents, Barbara and James, were there.
And had to listen to this. Right. It's her chance to talk to them.
Yeah. To be like. And it was basically her chance to. plead with them to tell her what happened to Ashley and they won't do it.
So the entire family sounds fucked other than Conrad.
Now here is the sentencing hearing. around and you looked at me and smiled at me every time with your smug face. little smile like you were above the law.
This is not a joke. You had my daughter's body parts in your car.
You drove them around. You did everything to stop my daughter, the rest of her, from coming home.
Not all of her came back from your home.
A bucket with blood in it. any mob that had Blood and tissue on it and you smelled nothing?
I pray. I pray every night that you are tormented by everything that you do. and your wife, and Conrad, and Jared.
So that was Christine, her mother. I don't understand how they could sit there and listen to that. and not want to tell her where her daughter is.
That's what's shocking to me. And what we'll see after is I... truly believe that James Chance did something to Ashley, obviously knows where Ashley's head is, I think he was the one who figured out what to do with it.
And I think that Jared is not going to say no.
What happened? Because he's got a weird allegiance to his father and he's not going to say it.
Because we'll get into that in a second, but let me play for you Ashley's father, who also was able to say something.
Police officer. Sergeant, you should be ashamed of yourself for all the damage. how you can live with yourself.
You are so phony. You should be in Hollywood Act.
That's where you should be. A man like you or your wife, you don't deserve to walk the streets.
And what your son done was atrocious. I was born and raised in the farm.
We killed our captain sheep. And I know what's involved.
And I know he's an animal and you're not far off. some day that the man above Now, he has an accent that's like a little... And he was like sobbing.
So it's hard to understand him. But he was basically saying... you a police officer, like you hold a badge, like you should be ashamed of yourself.
And then he said, I grew up on a farm. I've seen cattle and sheep slaughtered.
I know what's involved. And then he said, you are a monster.
Because he's basically saying, I've seen dismemberment.
I've seen what happens when you slaughter an animal and you slaughtered my child.
Absolutely. Like how dare you. It's horrific.
I don't know how you sit there as a parent to two children knowing that you did that to somebody else's child.
Yeah. And then I'll leave, the last thing I'll play here is just James and Barbara's response.
Oh, they got to respond? Yeah. Why? We'll wait until you hear it.
It's nonsense. You're being deeply frashy. and everyone concerned.
I'm just so sorry everything happened and I wish if I could change it I would do anything to do what's been done.
Uh, nope, you're not, okay? If you were sorry, you would say where she was.
That's what's killing me. You're sitting in front of these parents whose child is Was brutally murdered and dismembered by your fucking piece of shit son.
And you. You know where her head is. You know where her fucking head is.
The one thing that identifies us as a human being, you know where that thing is.
And you're watching these two parents sit there and sob in front of you, just saying, I want her head.
I just want my child's head. Like especially the mother, like you sat there and you held two of your babies after you just had them. how could you not think of that mother sitting across from you holding her little baby?
And you know where she is. And you know where her fucking head is.
Like, mother to mother, I don't... And then you have the audacity to sit there and go...
I'm so sorry. And I pray for you. Don't pray for me.
Fucking James, we grieve for Ashley and her parents.
No, you don't. Then where's her head, asshole?
Right, like, don't waste your time praying for me.
Why don't you let me know where my child is?
Let her parents grieve. Give her back her head.
It's unbelievable to me that these people can sit there and just say, I'm so sorry.
You know where her head... No, you're not.
Then tell us. And he probably told you what happened.
Tell us what happened. Are you fucking kidding me, dude?
Like, James had like a stroke. before this and i was like you're on death's fucking door motherfucker you better clear that conscience because i don't know where the fuck you're going but it's not gonna be a good place He would make like a deathbed confession.
I hope so, because those parents deserve to know what the fuck was going on.
If you have a stroke. You're just done.
And then what really leads me to believe that the father and the mother... that they are the ones who really took care of this and did whatever they did with her head, and that Jared is just holding that.
A TV station went into the prison to talk to Jared.
And the reporter basically was like, where's her head?
Yeah. You know where it is. And she said to her, like, why won't you just give this to her parents?
You're in jail for the rest of your life.
Why does it matter? And this was the reporter talking to Jared.
She was like, why can't you just give this to people?
Like, why wouldn't you give this to her parents?
Right. And he's sitting there. He can barely speak.
He's literally like about to cry. He has tears in his eyes.
He looks like he's about to fucking lose. his goddamn mind.
The dude is so tightly wound, I've never seen anything like it.
And he's sitting there being like, I can't, I...
I don't, I just, I can't, I want to, I can't.
And he keeps saying, I want to. What do you think your dad is going to do to you? prison for the rest of your life.
That's why I'm like, what is this dynamic?
Because this is fuck. Because he's literally sitting there saying...
I can't. I want to. I can't. And she's like, you can't.
You're in fucking prison. I would literally be like, dude, you're not ever getting out of here.
So, like, just let us know. Well, and then she played him. through the like thing, a video of Christine sobbing during an interview and just saying, I just want my baby's head.
Can you please just tell me where my baby's head is? and he was literally like and he's like literally like sitting there like about to lose his mind and he keeps going I can't I can't I want to i can't i know because if you wanted to you're a grown fucking adult so go ahead and do it Well, and then he's like, I'd love to.
I'd love to fix this, but I can't. And you're like, shut the fuck up.
But you're like, what? And then he just goes, I can't.
I'm sorry. And he gets up and just leaves the interview.
He won't talk about it. I don't know how the interviewer didn't like punch him in the face.
His parents didn't. did something to her head.
His parents were the one that took that responsibility and he's fucking holding it for them.
And I don't know why. Maybe when they die, he'll say.
Because I think he literally is holding it so that they don't get...
I don't know if this is some weird loyalty thing where he doesn't want them thrown in prison forever because if they find out what they did...
Because right now they've got nothing on them.
Right. Right now nobody can say that they did something with the head.
Right. But if he does, then it's there. And they could still go to jail because they weren't ever tried for that specific thing.
Exactly. So it's like... And just... Do you... Fuck you guys.
Like, give... Her parents, this fucking cl- like that's so beyond evil to me.
I don't even know. It's like Ted Bundy. It's not worse.
It's not worse than murdering her, obviously, but somehow it is in a different way.
It's a long game. It's a long game of just grief and torture.
Because when anybody loses a family member or especially a parent loses a child, It always breaks my heart when the parent can't bury their child or all of their child.
Exactly. Like, or... I just don't understand how you do that to somebody.
No, I don't either. Do you have any theory at all for what may have happened to her head?
He's a police officer. Right. I'm sure he's got some... tricks up his sleeve not that i'm saying police officers know what to do with like well no but they've seen But they've seen many things.
They've probably read many reports. They've seen autopsies.
They've been to, like, they've talked to pathologists.
You know, they are skilled in learning how other people cover up crimes.
So I'm like... was there is there I mean all I can think of is like it's got to be like buried somewhere or do you think that there's a possibility that it doesn't fully exist intact anymore.
I wonder that too. I really hate to say this, but do you think they put it in some kind of grinder?
Possibly. Can you do that with a head? Well, and also, if it was blunt force trauma to the head, if he just smashed her head, This is horrible to say, but like if he hit her head with something several times.
Could have sunken in. he could have caused a lot of damage that would make it not exactly intact. so it's like i wonder if i don't know the only thing i could think of is like they buried it somewhere That it's, you know, I don't know.
I don't know what they could have done with this thing.
This is probably one of the most horrific cases that we've ever covered.
It really is. this is like a family. We've never covered a case where an entire family was involved.
Where like the family in that the family wasn't involved with the initial crime but went to such great lengths to become involved.
Like, and now see this to me, like looking back into it, he has all these problems.
He's, very clearly has, like, behavioral issues and... and then they do this for them, to me it seems like maybe something happened.
This is total speculation. For sure. Maybe something happened in his childhood and they feel like they owe it to him because they fucked him up.
That's a very good... I mean, that's a really good theory.
And to me... this kind of behavior and the kind of behavior that he was showing.
Right. And then to see how these parents enabled this whole thing, I'm like, oh, yeah, the dynamic in this household was way off. from a long time ago.
I really like just from, I mean, I only know like for from this moment what you said but i i definitely think something yeah i feel there's some weird shit Yeah, I need to, like, evaluate this on my own, like, later.
It's truly... It's just... It's really somebody's got to tell these poor parents where the fucking head is and tell them what happened.
The fact that this guy's in jail for 100 years and he's not fucking talking is infuriating.
Well, and the fact that he could have gotten 30 years for just saying where she is.
And he will not say it. Is it like so... That's why I feel like it has to be a protection of the parents thing.
Well, and it's like, is it so horrible that like... it's beyond even our comprehension what was done with the head.
Maybe. Well, and it'll just tie to them.
That's what it is. Her poor mom has to go to bed every single night and wonder where it is, what happened, where her head is, not it.
And what happened to her daughter. Yeah.
Because she doesn't even know how her daughter died.
That's the thing. It's like she doesn't even know.
And the fact that she woke up and she said her arm, I can't believe that.
I do believe that. Oh, it gave me. Like a pit in my stomach.
Wow, Patreons. Great pick. So thanks, Patreons, for this one.
But if... I mean... there's like tons of resources about this case and stuff, like a website for her and I mean, it's just, I need these people to open up.
It's like driving me nuts that they aren't.
And it like seriously, like I believe a lot in karma and you would think that she would have. some kind of karma surrounding her for what an amazing person that she was where hopefully something comes out eventually.
There's gotta be something. And her parents get closure.
Yeah. I would hope so. You know what I mean?
Come on, Michigan. Come on, Jared. Show us what's going on.
Come on, Jared. Grow a pair. Yeah, that's what's killing me is...
This reporter too, he almost looked like he was ready to crack.
I feel like if they just fucking hammer this kid, he's a little bitch.
Just keep sending a reporter every day. It's not going to take a lot to crack him, I feel.
I feel like if you really hammered into him, he would eventually... fall into a puddle of shit.
Well, I wonder if now he'll just say no to interviews.
He probably will because he can't handle it.
Wow. He can't take the heat. Yeah. I also just looked at a picture of him and he has the deadest eyes.
Yeah, he does. It's because he's a dead human being.
Did they ever do a psychaval or anything on him?
No, I don't think they did. Interesting.
Yeah. Wow. Yeah. Wow. Well, alright. Thank you, Patreons.
Yeah, that ruined me. It's like 9 o'clock at night now and I get to go drive home.
Cool. Yeah, for sure. Alright, how do we finish?
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I'm going to leave now. Not. Not even close to this weird.
Never ever even imagine keeping it this weird.
Not close to being these parents. Oh, fuck that.
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