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Hey weirdos, I'm Ash. And I'm Alayna. And this is Morbid.
Thank you. Thank you. It's so morbid. I'm not gonna sing in this intro because I feel like I sing a lot of intros in, so I won't do that to you this week.
Hey, you know, you do you. Thank you. There it is.
Totally kidding. So I think before we start an Ash-centric episode.
Hello there. Hello. Hi. We just have a couple of things we wanted to mention.
One being that Hello Week is coming up. Guys, it's going to be so much fun.
We're doing shows for Australia, Europe, and North America, Monday, Wednesday, Friday.
Yeah. of the week what are the dates the week leading up to Halloween the week leading up to Halloween We put a link for tickets in our bio on Instagram.
Yes. Or you can find tickets at where? On locationlive.com slash morbid world tour.
Yay. So make sure you go there, get some tickets.
We're doing meet and greets, like a virtual little meet and greet.
We sure are. And it's going to be a lot of fun.
There's a There's a poster. There's a really cool poster.
And we're going to theme it. for the specific region that we're targeting.
So an Australian case each, a European case each, and a North American case each.
Each show is going to have a different costume.
That's right. We're doing three costumes each.
They're like kind of relating to your places, but not actually.
But not really. One of them really does.
Very loosely for two of them, but one of them definitely.
So make sure you're looking out for that.
Also, make sure you, if you haven't yet, go check out our podcast. podcast show that Ash and I host called Crime Countdown.
It's top 10 lists of all kinds of cool things like stolen body parts and you know, craziest serial killers from the 70s.
It can really get you in the Halloween mood. it really can and it's like a good little like it's quicker you know it's like quick like 30 minutes and stuff so it's like a digestible little list Yeah.
Like, you know, you need your true crime fix.
And if you don't want to start an episode and be in the middle of it, like a morbid episode, if you're running to the grocery store.
Yeah. really crime countdown is like the perfect thing to put on.
It really is. If you're running out for an errand, it's perfect or like cleaning.
And I mention this because our Halloween episodes are going to be a lot of fun.
There's some really cool categories that we're doing, so I think everybody will dig it.
Definitely go give it a look so that we can keep doing it forever because it's so fun and we love podcast.
And I never want to stop. And then the last thing I just wanted to ask everybody, and this is not like business, this is just me wanting to be like, hello, everybody, let's chat.
Yeah, you briefly brought this up to me and then I was like, wait, wait, let's do it on the air.
Yes, because this has been bothering me for days.
So there, Ash, I will give her full credit. has introduced me to the world of TikTok.
You're welcome. I'm now obsessed and I can't stop watching.
You know what it is? Younger millennials need to help out the older millennials.
Yeah. You need to Sherpa us into the TikTok world.
And you did. Yeah. And we also got John into it, which is unbelievable because John is literally Ron Swanson.
So the fact that he's into it is huge. I never thought that would happen, but...
So somebody, and I don't remember who, so if it was you, definitely tell me and bang me over the head with this information.
Somebody tagged me or sent me a message and was like, have you seen this weird TikTok account that showed up a couple of weeks ago?
And it's called You Shouldn't Be Looking.
And... I just looked for it because I was going to show Ash.
Now, I looked at this last night. And I'm mad.
There was probably like 12 videos. And they have 115.3 thousand followers.
Yeah, 1 million likes. And I went to show her.
And it's scrubbed clean. Yeah, there's no videos.
It's still there, but it says no content.
So we were in the middle of this is like how far we got in the conversation.
And then I was like, well, what was on, like, what were the videos?
And then I was like, wait, let's do this as we're recording.
So again, it's called at you shouldn't be looking.
Right. I don't want to. The name is you shouldn't see.
Yeah, and they were these short videos that were just shit like...
Somebody filming in the pitch black down a weird dirt road in the middle of the night.
But, like, were they saying anything? No.
Nothing. So then it would just shut off.
And then there was another one that was a...
You see this person's hands. It's definitely a man.
And it looks to be an older man. Like middle-aged man.
And he's got cuts everywhere. all over his hands and his arms and dirty fingernails.
Because he was just digging a fucking grave.
And when I say cuts all over the tops of his hands and his arms, it looks like a cat literally demolished his arms.
And I don't know if it was self-harm scars or what, but there was a lot of them.
They were very obvious. obvious, very like alarming.
Were they scars or were they like fresh cuts?
Okay. And one video is him with a suitcase.
And he's all you see is the suitcase and there's like dark fluid leaking out of the suitcase.
And he would play these like old-timey music over some of them.
Like jolly music? Yeah, like jolly music.
Like, um... And of course I can't remember.
No, it's okay. If I asked John, because he was like, wow, the music...
I showed John last night and he was like, the music choices are really doing it for me.
I love that that's what he got out of it.
He was like. This is really creepy. He's like, that's probably human blood.
Wow, what a great song. He's like, this is a jaunty tune that he's playing over it.
And then there's another one. Where it's like night vision and he's covering up something with leaves, but you can't really tell what's going on.
What the fuck? There's no speaking in it whatsoever.
And they're quick. They're weird. There's another one where he is throwing that same suitcase over a weird bridge in the middle of the night.
Oh, and yeah, and there's like fluid leaking out of it all over the bridge that looks to be...
Okay, wait. And you see his feet briefly, and he has covered his feet in plastic.
Okay, that's fucked up, and now I have a theory.
And I'm a fucked up individual for this being my theory.
What if he like like videos a Siri like his his murder like he like murdered somebody and now he's like cleaning up.
What if that was one person's murder and now it's wiped clean and he's going to do a whole other series of videos with another person?
Honestly, here's the thing, because it's like, there's that and then there's these weird videos of him, like, in a weird room and a house and you can't really see it it's very weird and very like abstract But like what is he doing in the room?
Nothing. You just see him like filming like a window up in like an attic and then it just cuts off.
What the fuck? And then there's another one where you see this desk that he's sitting at and he's flipping through this like notebook. where, and it's like this weird TikTok sound playing over it of this girl being like,
First draw this and then draw this. And he's like flipping through this weird ass sketchbook.
Yeah. With papers and trash everywhere. Oh.
Oh my gosh. It's the scariest thing I've ever seen.
And then there's one video. of like water, like a weird swampy water.
Yeah. And then another video I saw was him in the woods and he's filming a train going by. oh fuck that and then he pans over to what is clearly a body under a sheet no or something that looks like a body in the sheet and there's like clothing next to it.
Oh. And then it just cut off. And now I look today and everything's gone.
Everything's gone. Okay, number one, here's my big problem with you right now.
I'm actually angry with you. We constantly send each other TikToks.
Why did you... You never sent me this. You know why?
Because last night I was looking through it and I was like, whoa, what is this?
And then I showed John and then I fell asleep.
Cool. I love that you fell asleep after watching that.
And also we, I have another theory. I have a theory too.
Okay, maybe he's just like a super creative dude and he's like doing it for...
He's doing it for the gram, quote unquote.
I have several theories about this. One, it could be an interactive game.
Yes. That people are supposed to be looking for hints.
Maybe there's a chat room somewhere where everybody's talking about it and it's like a hunt a killer game in real life.
I was going to say it's Hunt a Killer via TikTok.
By the way, go get Hunt a Killer. They're awesome.
But for real, maybe it could be that. Two, it could be some weird art thing that they think is... I mean, I don't know why they're doing that, because you look in the comments of these...
And you could see from the beginning, people were like, oh, this is fake.
And then all of a sudden people were going, Oh, no, I think this is real, guys.
Is someone going to call the police? Like, people were literally like...
Did you see his hands? Like, what? And he looks older.
This is weird. Like... I love that we're mad because he's older.
And he's older. And he's fucking old. Well, no, it just doesn't seem like something a grown-ass adult would do.
It seems like something a teenager would do.
Especially if it was for art or not real.
But then also there's the... you know the possibility wait i'm like old people don't like to play games yeah of course not Sorry.
Old people. Meanwhile, he's probably like 40.
What's the possibility? I'm sorry. So then there's the possibility, because as we remember...
Kids did find suitcases with dead body parts on TikTok.
So shit happens. That's weird. Yeah. Maybe this is the next step that killers are taking.
TikTok? Using TikTok to film their shit and then scrubbing it clean.
But here's my issue. Nothing is ever scrubbed clean.
But maybe they don't care. Because if you look at the hashtags too, that's the other big part of this.
He used a ton of hashtags and they were always like, very manic and very like, don't look at me, I can't stop. please help oh fuck oh my god I have like spinal chills they were very very manic and very alarming Fuck!
And it seemed like someone reaching out.
So I was almost like... Is he doing these things?
And he's like, help me stop. Oh, shit. Now I'm having like a panic attack on air.
And maybe he started this shit. because he wants someone to find him to stop.
Yeah. I'm just saying. It's like the... Oh, my God.
The crybaby killer. Yes. Like, for God's sake, when's somebody going to come stop me?
And if it's not, then, I mean, TM, I'm going to make a movie about this.
She, um, my fucking goosebumps right now.
Because I... Because it's truly crazy. And I just wanted to see if any of our listeners had seen this or if you had, you know. obviously it could be either thing I would never I would love to say that it's very far-fetched that it's real but But it's really not that far fetched anymore.
With the way the world is, who the fuck really knows?
Nothing in 2020 is far fetched. But holy shit, if it's not real... kudos because you did a you scared the nation it was immaculate the way they did it wow Just enough information, never overstepping to the point where you're like, oh, that's fake.
That's too much. Like, it was always to the point where you're like... could be real right because he never gave too much right It's just weird shit, weird environments.
It's very dark. Very dark, very disturbing.
So... I want to know if Aiden knows about this.
Oh yeah, we should ask. Our nephew, Aiden.
Yeah. I got to ask him. Seriously. Shout out to Aiden.
Hi, Aiden. What's up? What's up? What's up?
What's up, cuz? What's up, Aiden? Oh my god, wow.
But yeah, I had to talk about that because... Damn.
Holy shit. This is going to, I mean, this case is like very terrifying, but like that's, wow.
Wow. Shit. So we really set you up for some more.
Yeah, you sure did. all right wow yeah shit it's a lot to digest and i'm sad i can't believe i just looked at it's gone I'm like, I'm sad that it's gone, but also grateful that I never had to see it.
I'm pretty excited that I did see it. I'm pretty angry with you right now.
I mean, we'll see if later when there's an ID discovery... story about this that I can be like, I remember then I was watching them. have remembered except i i showed you tick tock you did i showed it to you i showed you I created you.
I think I also thought in my head I really want to show her this in person because I like to show you things that are very exciting in person.
That is true. Thanks, bub. You're welcome.
Oh, man. All right. Well, should we get into it?
We should get into it. Let's just go right on in.
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So it's the morning of May 26th, 1990. It is.
Right now. No, back then. And Marlene Warren opened the front door of her Florida home to someone who was dressed as a clown.
And this clown had flowers and balloons.
Shut that door. Yeah, fuck that. Literally, you see a clown and I'm like, I'm out.
And before Marlene saw what else the clown was holding, she... was handed the flowers and the balloons and she made a comment about how pretty they were And literally next thing she knew, uh, She was shot in the face.
Oh. Yes. Okay. Isn't that the scariest thing ever?
I mean, to me, the scariest thing ever is anybody coming to my door.
Yeah. Never mind a clown. Nope. Who also shoots me in the face.
In the face. In the face. Yeah. The saddest thing is she thought that all these gifts might have been from her husband, Mike, because they had been having some serious problems lately.
Nothing super crazy. They were just arguing here and there.
They owned a few businesses together, so I'm sure that added to the stress.
Exactly. They owned a car business, they owned rental properties together, and Mike himself owned some resources.
And they were doing really well for themselves.
They lived in a super expensive neighborhood in Wellington, Florida. called the Arrow Club the Arrow Club and it was called the Arrow Club because there's a runway that runs through the back of it And literally like people have like pads where they land their planes.
Oh. So you can just fly your private plane home.
Oh, so very middle America. Yeah. Just like super wholesome.
Yeah. Yeah. So they had been married for like 20 years and Mike was a great stepdad by all accounts because Marlene was married once before and She was like super, super young when she got married to this guy named John Ahrens.
And the reason they got married super young is because Marlene's stepdad was in the Air Force and she would have had to move to Europe if she still lived with them so she just got married to her boyfriend I think which you know doesn't always work when it's like that And I couldn't find anything to say it was like super tumultuous or anything like that.
It's just when you're like forced into it, kind of.
Yeah, it doesn't work out. So they had two sons together, Johnny and Joe.
And this is really sad. Johnny had unfortunately passed away two years before the clown knocked on the door.
He was in like a really horrific fatal car accident.
Oh, that's so sad. I know. So it was just Joe left.
So Joe said that he remembered his mom opening the door that morning after a white Chrysler LeBaron pulled up in the driveway.
And he said his mom took the flowers and the balloon.
She said, oh my, oh, how pretty. And he thought then he heard a balloon popping.
But he realized that the clown had pulled out a pistol and shot his mother directly in the face.
What the fuck? Fuck. Like point blank range.
That's terrifying. Holy shit. Like, what?
So she fell to the floor and there was people over for breakfast that morning.
Joe had his friends over for breakfast. Oh, my goodness.
Yeah. So, oh, my God. to the floor and everyone comes like rushing to her side.
And Joe tried to chase after the clown to get the clown to stop. but he had just gotten some kind of accident and he broke his leg so he was in like a super bulky leg cast And this is the creepiest fucking part.
Everybody who was there that morning... said that the clown like calmly walked away after shooting Marlene.
Like Michael Myers style. Like literally just walked back to the...
Also, white Chrysler LeBaron, like, very recognizable car.
Oh, yeah. That's a very conspicuous car.
So he said... He chased after the clown.
He tried to trace, but obviously his leg is broken, so he can't chase.
And he said the clown turned around and looked at him briefly before continuing just to slowly get in the car.
And slowly drive away. That's a legitimate nightmare.
Like I was watching, there's a 48 hours about it and I was watching it and the pain in this kid's eyes as he has like PTSD. clearly oh of course and he's like a grown adult now obviously but like you just saw your mother shot in the face by a clown.
Right. And then you tried to chase said clown and it turns around and looks you dead in the face and gets in a car and drives away casually.
All slowly. That's like the scariest part of this whole entire thing.
Like you can't even make that up. No. So Joe and his friend who had been over for breakfast, like I said, they hop in the car and try to like find the car. the LeBaron, but they were never able to catch up.
So this clown just fucking disappears into the day.
This is morning. Into the middle of the day.
It was literally 11 o'clock in the morning.
Wow. And it's like, what? So they try to catch up.
They're not able to. He was able to, though, give the police a description of the clown.
So the clown had an orange wig All white and red makeup.
A big red clown nose. Yep. and only brown eyes were showing.
He said, I know that the clown had brown eyes Wow, good for him.
He or she looked me directly in the eyes.
Wow. And it was, like, a big clown costume, so, like, I just said he or she, because he...
Joe wasn't sure whether it was a man or a woman.
Clown is a perfect way to hide that. Yeah, and the clown was wearing like regular high top shoes, not clown shoes.
Ew. Right? I don't know why that's gross.
I don't either. And I was reading it and I was like, oh, like I need to put that in there.
And then I was like, is it weird that I just put that in there?
No, I don't know why that's gross to me, but it's like... It adds to the creep.
Yeah. Yeah. Because you're wearing these big ass clown pants with human shoes.
You know what it fucking reminds me of? Donnie Darko.
Yes. When... I think the clown in Donnie Darko is wearing regular shoes.
I think you're right. I think Frank is wearing regular shoes.
Oh, I don't like it. Yeah, it's a dark vibe.
Yeah, it is. It's a dark vibe. So Marlene was still alive.
Oh, good. Yeah. She was rushed to the hospital and immediately she was put on life support.
Oh no. There was a bullet lodged in her spinal cord.
Oh. And unfortunately, a lot couldn't be done to save her.
Tips came in to detectives just three hours after Marlene was shot, saying to look into her husband. and a woman who worked for him and a woman who worked for him i'm gonna fuck her up always And this woman worked at the used car business, Bargain Motors, and her name was Sheila Keene.
So Sheila was 26 and she had a son of her own from a previous marriage.
She did car repossessions for the business and everybody said that she was the perfect person for the job. because she was aggressive, fearless, and if worse came to worse, Sheila, if worse came to worst is what I meant to say.
Sheila carried a .38 caliber pistol for protection.
Oh, so there you go. Boom. Cut and dry, right?
Done-ski. Wrong. Whoa. Wrong. Wow. So it was a gun that her husband and her had owned together previously, but they were now separated, like divorced.
And there was a lot of rumors about Sheila being like a don't mess with me type of lady.
All those rumors were true. Which is a good way. to be yeah of course yeah but there were also rumors and this is not a good way to be that she and Mike were having an affair together.
Oh, fuck her and fuck him. Exactly. Some employees even said that they got caught having sex in the office.
That's disgusting. On not one, but multiple occasions.
Divorce your wife. Right. I don't understand that.
What the fuck? I don't either. Holy shit, you can have all the sex you want in the office once you divorce your wife.
So, but here's the problem. A lot of their businesses were in Marlene's name.
Oh, exactly. So that was a problem. So when detectives finally tracked down Mike, He was miles away in a car with some of his friends headed to a racetrack.
So there was literally no way that he would be able to dress like a clown, kill Marlene, clean himself up, and then get dressed and make it look like he was super far on the road like yeah it was just humanly impossible And there was multiple people in the car to back up the timeline.
And I just feel like this worked out perfectly in his favor.
It's like, oh, no, I was... Go into the racetrack.
I was miles and miles away. It's like very convenient day to be miles and miles away.
Of course. So, whatever. Detectives start following up on the tips into Sheila and they start looking into her.
So they went to flower shops and grocery stores all around the area trying to narrow down where the balloons or the flowers came from.
Oh, yeah, it is. Which was really smart.
And they were also calling costume shops to find out about the clown costume.
And they called these women... I hope I say the name right.
Barbara Castricone and Deborah Offord, and they worked at a local costume shop.
And they had some interesting information.
So they told detectives that two nights earlier... a woman had come in just as they were closing and she was like super adamant about seeing the clown costumes. which on any day is fucking weird, but especially now.
Yeah. One of the women was like, oh, like, can you come back the next day?
Because we're closing right now. We can't show you all of our clown costumes.
Yeah, exactly. And Sheila. I mean, the. woman that they needed something right then and there.
Um, and then whoever it was, Sheila. bought a clown costume separately, an orange wig, a red nose, and some white makeup.
Wow. So whoever. The level of dumb. Exactly.
Well, I'm like, you're going to buy that distinctive of a costume.
I mean, don't go and kill somebody anyway in any kind of costume.
No. That costume and that costume and going to a costume shop.
Right. Like, not just... getting you know if it just seems like you're really pinpointing yourself here You're asking for it and to ask people about the clown costumes, to make another trail.
And to be like super adamant, like, you know, like you need to be like going in the middle of the day when there's a ton of other people there.
You need to buy more than one thing. You're a dummy.
Yeah, you're stupid. I like that we just spelled out for people how to do this for the future.
So cool, cool, cool. So the detectives asked the woman to describe like the super pushy customer and both women described somebody who looked a lot like Sheila Keen.
Because it was her. Yes. And then they were pretty sure it was her when they were shown a photo lineup.
They like pointed her out. And they said They couldn't be 100% sure, but they were very, very sure.
Pretty sure it's this bitch. Basically, I think they didn't want to be wrong, but they were like, Yeah, because I imagine that must be really difficult to be like... i know it's that person but like but what is that tiny little chance it's not and i fucked their whole life over like so you're like i'm pretty sure it's her.
I think so. So luckily tracking down the balloons turned out to be a lot easier than they thought because The two balloons were like very distinct balloons.
One of them said... Wow, she's real dumb.
She's real dumb and she's terrifying because one of these balloons said, you're the greatest.
What the fuck? Isn't that so... First of all, like, terrifyingly creepy, but also, like...
What? And then the other one had Snow White and the Seven Dwarves on it.
I hate everything about this. It's like, what the fuck?
And I think, I don't know, just to like add to the creepiness, the flowers I'm pretty sure were carnations. oh yeah so wow i hate carnations i don't like carnations either so In Snow White, I feel like, and sorry for all the Snow White heads out there, but I think Snow White is like a really weird ass person. tail like oh i do it's very i mean like seven men are just living with this group like and she's literally there to like clean them and like it and then like the whole falling into a coma shit it's just weird it's a very weird I won't let the girls watch it really i've yet to let them watch snow white yeah it's weird it's very dark so that's a weird one to put on a balloon for this so yeah snow white creepy creepy and you're the greatest creepy creepy So, the detectives are able to determine that the balloons were bought at this grocery store called Publix grocery store.
Oh yeah. Yeah. Those are like still around.
You don't have them here. I thought you were kidding i was like i thought you were like oh yeah like oh yeah no they're like a real thing no i never heard they're not around here though no So the employees there gave them a similar description to the woman at the costume store, Sheila.
And when they looked at the time that the balloons were purchased, it was 922 in the morning.
And that was just an hour and a half before the shooting.
Jesus. So she did this that day. Wow. And I love that these people, I imagine they're just like, you know what?
She looked like a Sheila. Yeah, it's weird.
I think her name was Sheila. She looked very Sheila-ish. to me i think she said her name was sheila yeah she just i like i sniffed and i was like oh is that sheila that's a sheila vibe you're giving off sheila stench She's not a Sheila.
She's a Debbie. What's that from? You're not a Sheila.
You're a Debbie. What is that from? I have no idea.
Well, I don't know. I don't know. I need to... Somebody tell me.
Anyways... So another Sheila vibe. She only lived half a mile away from the fucking grocery store. wow sheila i'm like girl so cool wow the detectives obviously did not think that this was a coincidence No?
No. Me either. Good. I mean, some would.
So I'm glad that they didn't. We're not dealing with the LAPD here.
No, we're not. So they go talk to Sheila.
And so meanwhile, back at the hospital, Marlene unfortunately was being taken off life support.
Oh Marlene. I know. Marlene's mother Shirley had got a call telling her what was going on while she and Marlene's stepfather were like vacationing, visiting their friends in Arizona.
And you get a phone call that says your daughter was shot in the face in her home by a fucking clown.
And is on life support you would think that was a prank call I'd be like no right not that whole thing did not happen no you can't put all those things together Exactly.
So they fly back to Vegas where they lived and then they got on another plane and they promptly went to be by Marlene's bedside.
Marlene's son, Joe, was there. This really pissed off Shirley.
Mike was there because... Oh, I would want to fuck that guy up.
Oh, yeah. I do want to fuck that guy up.
Oh, I do too. Like, presently. You're going to want to in the end as well.
I want to murder him. So Shirley told Peter Van Sant from CBS News that Marlene had recently confided in her that if anything happened to her, Mike did it. that oh and it's also like if you ever have to say that in your life you gotta get out run So she is far away from... I'm not, like, blaming anybody.
No, of course not. Like, a victim blaming or anything, but it's just like...
Please know that if you are ever saying the words, if anything is to happen to me, blame this person that I'm still currently in a relationship with.
Get out. So here's the thing. I think because I couldn't find a lot about like her wanting to leave or anything. like that but i think it was overshadowed by like just like the craziness that is this case But I think her mom said, like, please come live with me.
And it seems like she might have been planning to go.
So I think she was. It's always. too late but it's also especially in this case it's so tough because they have all these intertwining things that connect them and businesses businesses like Like that fucks you up.
Yeah. It's just, oh, it's always hindsight.
Yeah. But it's like, oh. And it just sucks so much.
It kills me. So Shirley knew that Mike had an airtight alibi, but that didn't mean that he wasn't involved.
Yeah, like you can have an alibi. That's actually even I think that's even more perfect.
You have an alibi for you, but it doesn't mean that's somebody who you have hired to do this or have convinced to do this. this exactly yeah so and then we're gonna get into this later but I don't think that Mike had to do much convincing.
I don't think this was his plan. I, if somebody's willing to do this, I don't think they need a lot of convincing.
No, exactly. It sounds to me like somebody who does this was going to do this eventually.
It's a little bit of a cuckoo nut man. A little bit.
Or woman. We're inclusive here. So, unfortunately, Maureen was taken off life support two days after the shooting.
Aww. It's really sad. and the bullet removed from her spinal cord was determined to be from either a .38 caliber pistol.
Oh, that sounds familiar. Yeah, you know, like the one Shirley had?
Oh, that one. Yeah. Oh my god, not Shirley.
Shirley's the mom. Sheila. Oh, Sheila. I'm so sorry.
She's a Sheila, not a Shirley. And they couldn't be sure that it was a .38 because there was also a possibility that it was from a .357.
But it was one of the two guns. So that's, you know, that's a red flag.
It's a good little piece of something to connect later.
Right. And it made the detectives even hotter on Sheila's trail, obviously, because she had a 38.
So they came knocking at her door and Sheila told the detectives that the morning of the shooting, she was out doing car repossessions.
But the bummer was that she couldn't remember any of the cars that she had repossessed that day.
Oh, that's stinky. I feel like if you have a car repossession job, you're stoked to go out and repossess cars and you know which ones you're looking for.
Because if you're in that business, you're like, let's do this.
Yeah. You're like the people that give tickets on Newberry Street.
And you can't remember one. Right. Not one.
Like you said you were out all morning. Yeah.
You must have like that must have been at least a couple.
Yeah. So cool, cool, cool. Love that for you.
So strange, you know? She also told them that she had... misplaced that gun about a month before the shooting.
Ugh. You know. So clumsy. I just lost it.
So forgetful. Like I would lose my wallet.
Yeah. I hate when I lose a gun. It's so stupid.
Because the thing is, you don't lose a fucking gun.
And remember, she had a child. Yeah. If you did lose your gun with a child in your home, your child should be taken away from you.
There's more issues here at hand than that.
Yes, exactly. so cool cool cool she also denied having any relationship whatsoever with mike warren just a good friendship So like she denied having a romantic relationship, I should say.
I don't believe you. Yeah. And you know what?
Neither did the neighbors, because when they were interviewed They said that they saw Mike Warren coming and going from Sheila's house so often that they thought he was her husband.
Dear God, they thought he was her husband.
And it's like, dude, you can become her husband if you want.
Like nobody's trying to stop you. The marriage.
And you know what? I feel like Marlene was like the kind of person that would just be like, cool, like fuck right off then.
Get the fuck out. out of here. I'm keeping my businesses, but fuck you.
You can go be with this. Oh, you can call her a twat.
She's a twat. In this case, she's a twat.
She's a real twat. So when Marlene had told Shirley, like, if anything happens to me, look into Mike.
She also said that Mike was hardly ever home anymore. so it's like this is just all adding up I feel so bad and oh you feel so bad and He really stopped being around as much when she needed him the most when her oldest son had died.
That's when all this started. Wow, so he's literally a monster.
A fucking monster. Right. I mean, I'm pretty sure that she married him when her kids were young.
Like, so he was their dad, you know, for all intents and purposes.
And. Her surviving son, Joe, said that he was like he was like our dad.
Yeah. And here he is not giving a shit.
Exactly. So shitty, shitty, shitty. It makes me so angry.
But luckily the police had a good case going. unluckily their evidence was really just circumstantial of course which sucks um But that was until a car was found just four days after the shooting.
You don't say. a car matching the description of the one that that calm clown was just driving away.
That liberal. And it was found. It was so funny because when you were saying the grocery store, that's like you're like, oh, yeah, they're out there.
Yeah. Yeah. This is a Winn-Dixie grocery store.
Oh, there you go. And the only reason I knew what that was is because of Winn-Dixie.
I figured. Yes. Thank you. So the LeBaron is there.
And when they check to see who the LeBaron belonged to, this is like such a, like a twist.
It had been stolen from a car rental place called Payless.
Like Payless. Like Payless shoes. Yes, that's why I said it like that.
Payless cars. Right. So this is where the story, like I said, gets weirder.
Mike Warren knew about Payless because he had been sued by that company.
Huh. yeah, for running an ad that looked exactly like theirs.
His was kind of supposed to say like pay. less as two separate words, but that was like the one word that their company was.
But in the ad, there was barely a space.
And they were like, yeah, like people are going to call you instead of us.
Like that's you can't do that. No, no. No, no, sir, not today.
And so the last people who rented the Le Baron were a couple.
And they ended up calling Bargain Motors Mike's used car place instead of Pay Less Worthy. rented the car from her.
So whoever answered the phone at Bargain Motors told them to leave the car on the street and put the keys in the visor.
I'm willing to bet who that was. Yeah, samesies.
Yeah. So the couple thought it was like weird, but they were like, okay like why why would we question that right exactly so Cool.
Who do you think the next person was to drive that LeBaron?
Oh, I don't know. I can't even begin to think.
I feel like it might have been... Sheila oh yeah yeah yeah so inside the LeBaron detectives found strands of long brown hair just like Sheila's long brown hair.
Everybody that described her, she had like almost like hippie hair, like. parted in the middle and like super super long and thick like brown ass hair I bet it was shitty yeah uh I hate to say this, but she actually had nice hair in the beginning.
I bet it smelled gross. Well, she definitely smells gross and later on her hair sucks and I actually talk about it.
So there you go. Yeah, exactly. They also found orange fibers that looked exactly like the ones that came from that clown wig.
Gross. So that's cool. The only issue was that DNA testing wasn't really advanced in the early 90s.
No? No. So the results just came up similar when they compared it to Sheila's hair.
Which is no good. And the clown wig and clown costume was never found.
Really? Never found. Huh, I wonder what that bitch did with it.
Or the gun. The gun was never found either.
Oh, I want to know. I mean, they lived in Florida, so I feel like there's plenty of places where she could have a swamp somewhere.
Exactly. Or like some weird ass random body of water.
But they were lucky because they did get a search warrant for Sheila's apartment.
And Sheila's apartment was just nine miles away from this Winn-Dixie's grocery store.
So she's doing this at all these local ass grocery stores.
Yeah, it's like girlfriend. Do you think you could maybe drive more than like 10 minutes down the road to do any of this?
Yeah, and just like clear the odometer so they can't tell.
Like, what a lazy son of a bitch. Exactly.
So they go into her apartment and they got some more samples of her hair and...
They found orange fibers consistent with the ones found in the LeBaron on Sheila's clothing.
Gross. But again, that's really just circumstantial evidence.
So they can't do a lot. Yeah, they can't be like, there's orange fibers and there's here too.
Right. Because that can be anything. Exactly.
And unfortunately, it's just like, it's not a strong case.
So they don't want to. go with it yet until they get something better because it could definitely fall apart and then she would just walk exactly and never mind uh-oh No.
OK, so looking back into Mike, too, because the LeBaron was connected to him. and bargain motors.
Now they could get a warrant for bargain motors.
Thank goodness she sucked so much. I know.
And they did get the warrant. Yeah. And they didn't find anything to help in Marlene's case, but they found enough evidence to get Mike arrested. on charges, are you ready?
Of racketeering Grand Theft Auto. odometer tampering.
So like I said, she really could have cleared that odometer.
It's like Matilda. I know that's what I was I literally wrote that in here and insurance fraud Wow.
So like I'm literally picturing like Matilda's fat dad.
That's literally what I'm picturing is Danny DeVito.
Yes, exactly. Danny DeVito, I love your work.
I have to throw them in there because people get mad at me now if I don't connect it to Mean Girls.
You got to. Okay, so yeah. He was immediately arrested, obviously.
And he actually served four years in prison.
Not enough. But no, not enough. And they were never able to... connect him to merlene that's fucked which is really really fucked so where is he well hold on Well, hold up.
I just want to talk. He's actually pretty local, so we could talk.
Oh, good. Yeah, yeah, yeah. There's a lot of gray area between the years Mike got out of jail in 2002.
So it's like. I don't know exactly what year they got in, but it was in the 90s, like mid-90s, and then to 2002.
Okay. Mike argued with Marlene's son Joe about who should keep the house and Joe got left with like nothing.
That pisses me off so much. And this is really sad because, like I said...
Mike was basically his dad and they were like completely disconnected now and he was basically abandoned.
And he actually had a really hard time for a while and he got into drugs obviously to like cope with the loss of his mom.
Yeah, he was going through a ton of shit.
Really going through a ton of shit, but this will make you happy.
I put this in the middle on purpose. Okay, good.
He really turned his life around and he started his own construction company. and he said in 48 hours that he owes it to his mom because he learned so much from her.
Because she would take him to the rental properties anytime they fixed anything.
And he said if she couldn't fix it herself and she... could fix like almost anything herself.
Badass. She'd hire someone and whoever she hired... she would have Joe watch them fix it I love that and he was like I learned so much oh good for you Joe I know I love Joe good job So back to the shit stains.
In 2002, Sheila moved away with her son And got married in Vegas to this guy.
Oh, good. She got married to this guy named Mike Warren.
Okay. They got married. Oh, it was the Mike.
The Mike Warren. Oh shit, I forgot his last name was Warren.
Yes, she married Mike Warren after claiming that they had no fucking romantic relationship.
I'm not shocked at all. And you're like the primo suspect in his wife's murder and you're going to go get married.
That's so flagrant. They don't care. No, they don't care at all.
And I'm like, you literally said that you weren't having a relationship in the first place and now you're getting married.
Yeah, you're pieces of shit. At least be honest and be like, yeah, we were having an affair.
Yeah, we were having an affair, but... If you're going to lie, be like it didn't have anything to do with her murder, obviously.
Exactly. And then they'd be like, well, yes, it did.
They obviously think everyone around them is not as smart as them, but in reality they're fucking idiots.
Oh, and they're like assholes too, and I'll get into that.
I mean, yeah. So they settled down in Virginia and they opened a fast food restaurant in Tennessee, because I guess it's like just like right over the border right there.
I don't remember. Called Adultery and Murder.
Is that what it's called? It was called The Purple Cow.
Close. Similar. Yeah. They were cows, so there it is.
They were, yeah. And Sheila was going by Deb or Debbie now.
Oh, cute. Because she said that's what her dad called her when she was younger.
That's weird as fuck, Sheila. That's not your name.
Yeah, that's not your name. That's not a cute story.
That just means your dad's dumb and he didn't know what your real name was.
I think it was her middle name. Whatever.
Wait, that's actually, you're not Sheila, you're Debbie.
That's weird. That is weird. Sheila Debbie.
What the fuck? Also, like, that's not your name.
No, it's not your name. That's not my name.
So she also now this is when I get mad about her hair.
She dyed her long brown hair this horrific fucking shade of what she wants to say is blonde.
I just looked up in Google and I saw it.
It is not blonde. No. I don't know what that is.
It's a... It's blonde. It's like, ugh, it's fucking nasty.
It's not a color found in nature. No, it made my stomach turn.
And I hate to say this, but it wasn't professionally done.
And I'm not hating on you if you box dye your hair because Alina box dyes her hair and she does a great job.
Thank you. You're welcome. So, anyways, employees at the Purple Cow, remember?
That Shebby. Shebby. That's what I'm going to call her from now on.
Sheila Debbie. Yeah. Shebi and Mike were difficult to work for.
Oh, you don't say. Right? If something was even slightly wrong, they would not let you hear the end of it.
And people really tried their best not to get on their bad side because there was a rumor at the Purple Cow that that Shebby had killed Mike's wife and did it dressed as a clown.
Oh, a rumor. Yes. A rumor. A rumor. You know what they say about rumors.
Now, this is going to send you through the roof.
Oh, no. They would dress up for Halloween at the Purple Clown. at the purple cow in one year.
And I will post this picture on Instagram so you can all go through the roof as well.
Shebi dressed like a fucking clown. What a cunt.
Not even a cunt, like... What is wrong with you?
Holy hell. Like just to be that blatant, like you might as well dress up as a fucking middle finger. she has a surviving child you absolute piece of shit yeah I know It makes me so mad.
Tell me someone has like tried to take a bat to this woman's face because holy shit.
Well, I'll tell you later where she is, so don't worry.
I just want to talk, Sheila Debbie. Shebby.
I'd like to have a convo. So don't worry, she gets hers because DNA testing, like we know, got better.
It did. And in 2013, the detectives working on Marlene's now cold case were not giving up.
Like they were so fucking good. Because they know that she did it.
They just need a stronger case. I hate those cases where it's like everyone knows who did it, but you can't name them.
Because there's that little like, you know, one fucking juror will mess it all up.
So they started re-questioning all the witnesses to the shooting. anybody that worked with Mike or with Sheila and they just got the case like ramped up again.
And they said it was going to take time, but they were hopeful that it would end with Sheila in handcuffs.
So Mike and Chevy retired eventually, and they sold the Purple Cow in December of 2016.
Okay. And then they thought they were going to live like super happily ever after and their gorgeous second home. in the mountains of Virginia, right on the lake.
But fuck you guys. Fuck you guys. And also this house is like.
Like I'm like, wow, you wanna pretend like you're poor later on?
Cause she does and I'll get into it. okay okay so it all came crumbling down one day in 2017 oh yay So the police set it up to look like a roadblock or a checkpoint because they knew that Mike and Chevy were going to be pulling through this little spot.
I love this. And the reason that they didn't go to her house and arrest her is because they thought she was not going to go willingly.
Yeah, so they were like, let's make this theatrical.
Obviously. So, Officer Dewey Fulton. Dewey?
Dewey. Get out of here. I go fuck yeah scream vibes.
Deputy Dewey. Deputy Dewey. pulled them over and asked for Mike's driver's license and then went around to the passenger side and was like, oh, can I see yours too?
And she handed him her little Tennessee fucking license or whatever.
And he was like, as soon as I read her license, I said... can you step out of the car please?
Because you're under arrest for the 1990 murder. of Marlene Warren.
The feeling. The feeling. The feeling. 27 years later.
This bitch got away with it for 27 years.
And now Shebi had the right to remain silent.
Yes! Goodbye, shub-a-shub. Oh, what a release.
So she was booked in Virginia. And she's like...
You probably saw it if you looked it up.
She's smiling in her booking photo. Oh, yeah, she is.
Like, she's in. Downright cheery. Yeah, she's fucked up.
She looks like she's posing for, like...
Like she's at like a Christmas party and she's posing like, yay, we're all having fun.
Like, oh my God, let's do Secret Santa after this. on their head.
This is wild. So she was quickly extradited back to Florida to stand trial.
Excuse me. And the prosecutors say that there was now because there was this new DNA testing, obviously, they tested all the evidence again.
And they won't say what happened exactly, but they say that it is sure to end in like a rock solid case.
Yes. So Chevy will remain behind bars after trial.
So we're still waiting for a trial? Yeah, because of COVID, actually.
Fuck COVID. I know, right? God. So it keeps getting like pushed off and pushed off because originally because she again, she was arrested in 2017.
Yeah. And then there was like, I'm going to get into it, all these like things where she tried to say she was indigent.
Is that how you say it? Indigent. Indigent, yeah.
So, okay. Mike Warren told Peter Van Sant, again, that guy from CBS News that Marlene's mom talked to.
Yep. And she was like, yeah, she told me that you should look into Mike if anything happened.
So now Mike's talking to this guy and this guy's like, well, fuck.
Motherfucker you have something to do with this.
But Mike said if I thought she had anything to do with this I wouldn't have been with her.
You're an actual idiot. It's like, no, if you had any respect for anybody at all, you wouldn't be with her because...
She was the number one suspect in your wife's murder and you know it as well as everybody else does.
Even if you knew she had absolutely nothing to do with it, which, come on.
Like, lie. You would still be with the woman.
Who was the number one suspect when most people's mind is the murderer of your wife.
Like you think that you were going to get away with that for like another 27 years?
Okay, bud. Like, I'm sorry. You have to walk away from true love, Mike.
Okay. True love. So Shebi also maintains her innocence and she writes all these letters to Mike and her mom from jail. as inmate number 0092956.
Ooh. And I don't know, I just wanted to say her inmate number because I'm like, fuck. you fuck you girlfriend hate you um all of sheila's mail is being collected and copied by the prosecution in case she like slips up or admits anything.
So far, she hasn't. She found God in prison.
Don't say all. I know she got baptized.
Don't they all? Yeah. And then she wrote to Mike, God knows I wouldn't hurt anything or anyone.
That's not me. And I know the world is still full of evil and wrongdoing.
But that is not me. And I pray that the world could be a better place for everyone.
First of all, fuck you. Second of all, anybody who finds God in prison... finds God because they teach you that whatever you did, God will forgive you if you just find him.
You're just trying to get into heaven. It's a dead giveaway that you did it.
Because if you were innocent, you wouldn't be... trying to find something to justify what you did.
Exactly. You know who else found God in prison?
Son of Sam. Most of them. Yeah, exactly.
Everybody. You know who else did? Jeffrey Dahmer.
Yeah. We ate people. So how do you feel, Shub Shub?
So cool. So according to the Sun Centennial, that's where I got the quote that I just read from her letter.
They also say that Chevy's lawyer is like the super high power defense attorney.
Most likely, like, costs a lot of money, I would assume.
Yeah. They say that he's not worried about the prosecution using Chevy's mail at trial.
Because he said there isn't going to be anything that's relevant to the case. no okay and he was like mad about it he's like you know like prisoners need like deserve rights like they wouldn't be reading her mail if she was out on the outside like that's felony and it's like she doesn't they could probably get a search warrant for it yeah exactly and also she sucks Well, and like she's in prison, so she doesn't have that right anymore.
So she lost that right when she went to prison.
Or she lost that right when she shot somebody wearing a clown suit.
When she like shot a mother who she was like fucking her husband behind her back.
Yeah, exactly. So, yeah. yeah cool thank you though yeah good try though thank you for that lesson in morality good try rich guy yeah So in any case, Shebi could be in trouble, like I said, because she claimed herself to be indigent what did you say indigent sorry it's like indigestion It is.
So she said she's poor. And she filed a motion claiming that she needed the Justice Administration Commission to To help her pay for all these outstanding fees from her case.
And the only problem with that is that...
Everything that she and Mike have together adds up to hundreds of thousands of dollars in cash and assets.
Doesn't sound too indigent to me. No, exactly.
So WPTV wrote this article about it, and that's what they said.
So hopefully we'll be able to get more information on when the trial is going to happen because like I said, it just keeps getting postponed because of COVID.
Oh, I love it. wanted to happen. And according to an Oxygen TV article that I read, Shebi is enjoying watching TV shows like America's Got Talent. and reading Danielle Steele novels while she's in solitary confinement.
Ew, can you imagine knowing that she's watching you on TV?
No. And also, I love that they had to put her in solitary confinement so that nobody would kill her.
So nobody would beat the shit out of her.
Exactly. So that's annoying. And it seems like some of her letters to Mike saying that she has it so bad in there might be exaggerating a little bit.
Might be a bunch of bullshit. That's cool.
Wow. So hopefully we can do an update to this case and find out and we can read her vertigiltic, I was going to say.
Hopefully we can read that birdie guilty.
That guilty verdict. Once the Rona clears on out of here.
God, I'll go to the trial. I want to see this so bad.
We will definitely do an update on this.
100%. Holy shit. She obviously did it. The fact that she murdered someone wearing a clown suit.
It's like, why? The other thing, too, is it's like it's I think what did I say?
It was like May. I'm like. Why did you wear a clown suit?
Yeah, what was the meaning behind it? And that's why I want her to get... like the guilty verdict.
So hopefully she'll crack at some point and just admit that she did it.
Right. And then we can finally hear, like, why... Like, I know why you did it, because you're, like, a filthy piece of shit.
Right, right. And you wanted to sleep with her husband.
But why the clown suit? The only thing that I can think of for the clown suit is... Oh, why...
Oh, I didn't even fucking say this. I think that Marlene liked clowns because You should watch the 48 Hours documentary on this.
I got a lot of information from there, but I left out some stuff, obviously, because I'm not going to like write the whole episode for brevity, for brevity.
But I think Marlene liked clowns because she she painted clowns when she was younger and oh that's even weirder in the beginning of the 48 hours episode her mom is showing these two paintings which are The fact that she did these when she was a teenager is incredible.
And they're of two clowns. that is even more fucked up yeah and now her mom has like a clown room in her house So I think that Marlene maybe liked clowns.
And I think because of the flowers and the balloons, she was supposed to be sending it off as like...
Is that called like a, not a telegram? Yeah, like a singing telegram.
Yeah. I think that's what it was supposed to be like.
So she even, I think she went even further and like used something that Marlene liked.
Used something that she liked against her because she knew that she would open the door.
Exactly. Exactly. Because normal people, because that's what I was thinking.
I was like, nine times out of ten. Right. somebody seeing a clown at the door is going to be like, nope, and shut all the lights off and hide and wait for them to go away.
Well, especially now. And then they also talked about now that we're just chatting, they also talked about, you know, remember in 2016 how there was like that crazy scare of like clowns?
John used to like fuck with us and like bang on the door.
Because I was terrified. It was scary. I'm sorry if you're a clown.
I'm terrified of clowns. I used to cry at the circus.
You cried at the circus. I did. Yeah. Yeah.
Um. My dad made a clown apologize to me.
That's the best thing ever. I love that.
But... In the 48 hours, they brought that up, that whole 2016 scare.
And it was like Joe was having a really hard time during all of that.
Marlene's surviving son. Oh I can't imagine.
Because it probably just brought back all because the clowns in 2016 were fucking terrifying.
And They were everywhere. Everywhere. And they were just being weird.
Yeah. And like literally just like walking behind your car or something.
Yeah. So yeah. Wow, nuts. I'm so glad that Joe is doing so well.
I know. and his construction company. And I really hope that for Joe, I hope he gets to see...
Some fucking justice. I know. And I hope that somehow Mike gets...
Like, I hope he's involved somehow to the point where he can be behind bars as well.
I hope so. Because you can't tell me that he did not know this was happening.
No. If they were having an affair and she killed her, that, come on.
Right. Come on. And then it's like you go to prison and then pretty soon after you get out of prison you go... And you marry her.
Marry her. It's like... Okay. If you really gave a shit about your wife at all and this was just like a stupid affair that happened, there's no way. in hell that you would marry that woman no there's no way the other thing that's a is then you go on and you live basically the same life with this woman that you had with Marlene.
You just open a business together and you... like get a second, like a beautiful home.
It's like, that's exactly what you did with Marlene.
And if I was Shirley or not Shirley, I would say that.
If I was Sheila, I'd be like, well, what happens when he offs me?
Yeah, but she's not worried because she did it.
Exactly. So she's like, no one else is going to do it.
Exactly. And it's like, Joe is still alive.
You're like her child who you fathered. Right. is still alive.
You're flaunting that right in front of his face.
And you're just like, you don't give a shit.
Like, Your shit is more important than that kid and that's so fucked up.
Exactly. And you just left him. Yeah. Ugh.
So much wrong in this case. You know what, Mike?
If you're listening... Go fuck yourself.
Honestly. And Sheila, can't wait to see you get a guilty verdict.
Bye, Shub Shub. Bye, Shubby. So yeah, that was the case of the really, really fucking sad case of Marlene Warren's murder.
That's truly fucked up. And I really can't wait to see Shebi get what she deserves.
Me neither. So if you want to see all the pictures of Shebi, especially when she. dresses like a clown.
Oh, I want to see that. Unbelievable. I'll post that one.
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