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Without further ado, I think we should get to Robert Ben Rhodes because this...
Dude is a monster seems like inadequate.
Why are you bullying murderers? I know.
I'm sorry. I'm going to bully the shit out of Robert Bennett.
I just want to put that out there, guys.
So if that offends you, like. This might not be the one for you, but this is similar.
It's not as bad as the Toy Box Killer. Oh, is it?
Is it on the same wavelength? It's on like, it's definitely on like the same continent.
Like toy box killer adjacent. Yeah. And so I just want to put a little trigger warning here. there are going to be mentions of rape.
There's going to be some somewhat detailed explanations of torture and and sexual sadism.
So if that kind of stuff is something you don't want to hear, You know, maybe you don't want to listen to this one, but I will also, I'm going to try to let you know before I'm going to go into something really gnarly.
So maybe you can just hit the skip button.
Trigger warning. But yeah, I just want to let you know that if, you know, that's not your bag.
Some people, this is just a little too much.
We totally understand. But this is a rough one.
So for all you people that are still here, let's begin in the early morning on April 1st, 1990.
Officer Mike Miller, who was an Arizona State Trooper, noticed a big truck, like a big tractor trailer truck, you know, a big old truck.
It was parked kind of oddly on the curb outside of Interstate 10 in Arizona.
This truck has its hazard lights on. Okay.
So that indicates that something's wrong.
A hazard. And to Officer Miller, it indicated that he was likely having some mechanical issues and, you know, perhaps this trucker needed assistance.
And being the policeman he was. Yeah, he's like, I am helping citizens.
So those hazard lights. and this trucker's mistake of throwing them on at that moment was probably the thing that saved a woman's life and most likely... countless others that would have met a grisly end.
Oh, my God. I'm so happy. I'm so happy. But, you know, bad things happen before this.
But I do love when someone gets saved. Yeah.
And the honest and it's like these cops like did the right thing.
You know, I mean, like they followed what they saw.
And this guy and we'll get into this a little further.
Robert Ben Rhodes was known to be a very charming and very manipulative serial killer.
Like a Bundy deal? Very much a Bundy deal.
And he was also a sexual sadist like Bundy.
He was kind of very much like Bundy. Oh, Okay.
And, like, he couldn't get off without the girl being in horrible amounts of pain and fear either.
Oh. So... Yeah, he's not an awesome guy.
And so these police officers did the right thing.
They followed like what was actually happening instead of listening to this asshole try to charm them.
Right. which they could have. So Officer Miller doesn't see anyone in the truck or around it.
So he uses a flashlight and And he scans the perimeter of the truck.
No one's in the cab and no one's in the nearby woods that he could see.
So suddenly, as he passes the cab, he hears some weird noises.
And he's like, huh. So he steps up on like the little like foot step thing on the sides of trucks.
Yeah. And he wants to get a better look, so he flashes his flashlight into the darkness of the sleeper cab section of the truck.
Okay. And apparently long haul truckers have sleeper cabs that can be like really customized for their, you know, like exhausting and nomadic lifestyle.
Like cool ass little. bunks yeah like there's beds back there there's kitchens they can put tvs back there oh shit like had no idea about this until i looked all this up and i didn't know that if you look at pictures online of some of these like sleeper cabs they're like badass remember like pimp my ride yeah this is like pimp my sleeper cab my truck pimp my sleeper truck and it's i mean some of them are really cool i believe so because i mean if you think about it long haul truckers like that's a There's a whole fucking show about that on the Discovery Channel.
There is. You're right. I think there is.
Yeah. I think it's called Long Haul Truckers.
And also, I just want to put out there, too, this is going to seem like it's giving truckers kind of a bad name.
This just happens to be a shitty truck. trucker well and I just want to say like the vast vast majority of long haul truckers are perfectly wonderful human beings So it never hurts somebody.
Sometimes they even beep if you do that motion at them.
Exactly. It's great. It's like there's...
We know you're good people. I know truckers.
We have listeners who are truckers who listen to the show while they're trucking.
I had a friend who her dad was a trucker.
So we just want to, I mean, I just want to put out there that I know a lot of really great truckers, but Obviously, like any line of work and especially a line of work where you're kind of like nomadic and able to go through different states and stuff pretty unnoticed.
Easy. It'll be a little easy if you're a bad person to take advantage of that.
And that's what happened here. Well, this particular rig did not have a cool, comfy lounge vibe or anything like that.
It wasn't a pimp my sleeper cab situation.
Hashtag pimp my sleeper cab. Well, I guess for Robert Ben Rhodes, it was a pimp his sleeper cab situation.
Oh. What Officer Miller saw when he illuminated the sleeper section with his flashlight was a woman. was a naked woman.
Oh, no. Wearing shackles and chained to a wall on the back of the truck.
When she saw the police officer, she started screaming at the top of her lungs.
And he could see that she was gagged with something.
He just couldn't see what it was at the time.
Now immediately a man comes out of the darkness of the back of the truck and came into the front of the cab and behind him he closed some curtains These curtains acted as a separation between the front of the truck and the sleeper part.
So he closed them behind him like, oh, nothing to see here, officer.
A partition, if you will. Exactly like a makeshift wall, like in a dorm room. so as he closed the curtains he hid the woman behind him and she's still screaming good And immediately Officer Miller is like, get the fuck out of the truck.
Yeah. I don't know what the... And so this guy, this trucker, he does.
He gets out of the truck without a fight.
Okay. And in fact, he told the police officer that he had a gun on him.
So he was like he offered the information in a Tucson Weekly article.
The officer Miller said, quote, He was so smooth.
Yet that woman was terrified. I didn't know what I had on. my hands that must be so fucking wild as a police officer right because you're like wait a second you just never know what you're gonna wake up and that's the thing like you This is probably like, you know, I don't know what day of the week this was, but like, let's say Tuesday, just a Tuesday night.
And you're just like, shit, this is just my Tuesday.
And now this whole time, this trucker is telling the officer that this was a consensual, albeit somewhat freaky, shared experience between the two of them.
Then why is she screaming so loudly? When he's like, you know women, bro. she's just crazy and i don't know maybe it took it too far but like this is consensual as fuck and everything's fine And he's like, nah, the screaming indicates non-consensual.
So Officer Mike is like... Yeah, I don't think so.
But like something in his brain is also being like, you know, people like different things.
This is like just a consensual thing. And they both like this whole like rape scenario.
And maybe that's just what they like. Right.
But he's like, I can't just be like, OK, right.
Bye. So Officer Mike really isn't buying this at all.
So he handcuffs him behind his back. He puts him in the back of the cop car and he buckles him in the cop car because he's like, you're not going anywhere.
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So he goes back to the screaming woman. Good, good.
This woman has a fucking horse bridle around her neck and a horse bit in her mouth.
What is a horse spit? I'm sorry. It's what you put in horses' mouths and strap around the back of their heads so that they, like... can, like, communicate with the rider better.
Like, the rider will pull on it to get them to do certain things.
Oh, okay, that makes sense. So, yeah, you know.
So she had a horse bit in her mouth and like bridle, like literally strapped around her head.
And she's not a horse. So there's. no need to communicate with her that way and i can confirm she was not a horse so this did not make any sense good um there was a chain attached to this thing around her neck and it was padlocked Oh good.
She also had bruises and cuts everywhere.
Some that looked like they had started to heal, which indicated that this was a long experience for her.
There were also long whipping lashes all over her chest.
Ouch. So Officer Miller is trying to calm her down, but she is literally inconsolable.
And she's probably in so much pain. She's in complete panic at this point because at this point she just wants out of there.
Yeah. Like, this is her moment and she wants fucking out of there.
And she's trying to make it fucking clear that something has gone awry.
Can you imagine like you can already hear this dude being like, no, no, no, officer.
Everything's fine in your head. You're probably like, he's going to leave me here.
Like he's going to leave me here. And now I've just screamed to get this guy's attention.
So now he knows what's going to happen. I can't imagine.
So Officer Miller tries to put something around her to cover her naked body.
Oh, sweetheart. It gives me so much comfort when a first responder will do that in these situations.
It happened in other cases like Jessica Chambers.
Yep. And it's like so caring to try to just like preserve someone's dignity in these situations.
Like it's nice that that will be like someone's first thought.
Yeah, I agree with you. So anywho. This woman is clearly not in a consensual situation.
No. But she can't be cut down yet because they're trying to find the keys to unlock her.
Oh, and I bet they're with the fucking dude.
So she's literally losing her shit. just panic, just anguish.
She probably can't talk. She can't talk.
It's like in her mouth, like, you know, it's like gagging her literally. like probably ripping up her mouth they said she had like blood around her mouth so it was obviously like tearing at the sides of her mouth oh my god ow And she's just screaming.
And they're like, we're going to get you out of here.
I promise. But we don't have anything to break this right now.
Right. So he goes back to the car after radioing for backup and he discovered that the trucker had got his handcuff hands in front of him now and has managed to unbuckle his seatbelt in an attempt to leave the car.
Holy shit. Yeah. So Officer Miller is like, no way, fuck ass, and fixes that situation.
He's like, oh no. I wonder how he even did that.
And he said later, he was like, all I thought of later was...
What if I'd stayed in the cab with her for a couple more minutes and he had gotten out of there, killed me, got back in that car?
And just drove right off. He was like, that could have been the end.
Holy shit. Yeah. So now, so he then checks this trucker's pockets and boom, finds the keys.
I knew they were with him. They also found out that this guy's name was...
Robert Ben Rhodes. By now, Officer Robert Gygax of the Casa Grande Police Department had arrived as his backup.
Officer Miller gave the keys to him while he stayed with Rhodes, who tried to escape, you know, from Witch Mountain.
And Officer Gygax unshackles the woman who we're going to call Miranda because...
I've seen different names for her and most of these things are like, this is not her real name.
So I don't think she wants to be named. I decided to call her Miranda I like that I just like that name they brought her to the Casa Grande police station and they talked to her about this experience with this monster she She was able to provide a lot of information to the person interviewing her, which was Detective Rick Barnhart.
She said she had been hitchhiking. Rhodes picked her up at a truck stop somewhere north of Phoenix.
She said he was super charming, very sweet, not threatening at all when she met him.
She even felt so comfortable that she fell asleep while they were driving.
That's something. And that's when shit changed.
Right. He suddenly stopped the truck, dragged her into the sleeper cab and shackled her immediately.
Oh my God. Like ripped off her clothes and shackled. oh god this is when the torture began oh he had a um and again little trigger warning we're gonna talk about some like rapey things He had a rape kit, which is a common thing that perverted maggot mounds carry with them like Ted Bundy. sexual sadists usually start out with like kind of a crude kit and then as they do these things longer and longer you see that their kit becomes more and more like refined it's called like a kit like he like needs it for work and it was literally in a briefcase so this is like his work And this is such a thing with these sexual sadist guys because they take very, you know, they take pride in their kid.
I really just have to point out like so quickly because I can't stop thinking about it, how ironic it is that he's a trucker and his last name is Rhodes.
Oh, I know. I just really wanted to say that.
It honestly, it made for really good like. true crime books about him yeah like the you know the road to this or something like that but yeah So Rhodes had a very well-kept rape kit, which indicated that he had done this for quite some time.
He's like prepared and shit. And it was in a briefcase, like I said, and it was full of horrifying items.
According to the Tucson Weekly article, Detective Barnhart said, quote, There were alligator clips, leashes, handcuffs, whips, pins, and dildos. pins it was just very well cared for and everything was placed neatly i knew i had a serial rapist because of all of that and i suspected he might have also killed someone wow And yes, pins, because one of the things he liked to do that we'll mention later is he liked to just stick pins in his victims over and over.
And again, this is rough. Most of the time he liked to stick them in the breast area, the nipples and the groin and vagina.
Yes, and he also used fish hooks. Oh! Yes.
He had tortured Miranda endlessly for hours with this kid.
Oh, my God. Rhodes had told her once he began his torture that he was called whips and chains.
This was also his CB radio handle. Okay, Rihanna.
Like, ham, whips, and chains. 15 years?
Yep. Also, when I heard that his CB radio handle was Whips and Chains, I just thought of Joyride, that movie that is so underrated, guys.
Can we watch that soon? RIP Paul Walker.
RIP. That was like one of my favorite movies.
Go watch Joyride if you haven't. Candy cane.
Candy cane. So good. Alright, so it was noted in photos taken of her injuries that, again this is rough, her nipples and labia had been punctured with something sharp.
Ow. And they asked her, have you been raped?
And she was very, like, hesitant to say, which I understand.
Like, that's... common like you it's hard to say yes i've been raped yeah um and she kind of said like yeah i like not really like she just kind of like hesitated to say it and but by looking at the evidence photos of her injuries they were like i'm she was definitely raped in some capacity i think she was just too in shock and too maybe embarrassed or yeah and just it's not that you should be embarrassed but there's so many there's such a feeling of shame that comes with it right innately you know So, they understood why she didn't come out with it.
Now, when they went to speak to Rhodes, it was around 3 a.m., and they couldn't imagine what they were going to discover.
But let's take it back, shall we? Oh, fuck you.
Robert Ben Rhodes is thought to have killed at least 50 women.
50? But people also think it could be up in the hundreds.
I mean, yeah. He only confessed to three murders.
Really? The FBI says that they have good reason to say that while he was active, he had killed up to three women a month.
Wow. And he was active from 1975 to 1990.
That's literally like one a week and like maybe a week.
Yeah, exactly. Now, he was born November 22nd, 1945 in Council Bluffs, Iowa.
I think that makes him a Scorpio. There's not a lot known about his younger life, like, which I guess is a good thing.
I'm like, was it really fucked up, though?
It wasn't. Really? Well, yes. There's a fucked up part that makes you be like, okay, what else was happening here?
But, like, by all accounts, it was a pretty normal childhood thing.
For the most part. Okay. I mean, there's always something.
Yeah. I mean, there's a big something here.
Nine out of ten times there's typically something.
I think there's more hidden behind the veil here.
So he was raised mostly by his mother, Fay Rhodes.
He was one of four siblings. He was the second oldest.
He had a, you know, pretty standard upbringing.
He was popular in high school, no problems. played football, was into wrestling, French club and glee club.
Oh, glee, you know. Yeah, glee club, you know, Robert Ben Rhodes and glee. snm by rihanna he did he totally did that was funny before it was even a thing har har When he was 12 years old, his father, Ben Rhodes, came home from overseas active military duty.
He was a firefighter. His father was. Yeah.
At 16 years old, Robert was arrested for tampering with a vehicle.
That same year, he was arrested for fighting.
So all was not perfect. 1964, around age 18 or 19, he entered the Marines.
Uh-huh. This is when the normal childhood shit goes awry.
That same year, in 1964, his father, Ben Rhodes, was arrested on charges of pedophilia.
He was charged with raping a 12-year-old girl.
Ben Rhodes was fired from the Council Bluffs Fire Department. he received a suspended sentence um he went out on parole then a second girl came forward oh shit yeah That's when a municipal court judge put out a warrant for his arrest and two days later...
He was found dead from a self-inflicted gunshot wound to the head in Fairmount Park.
What a pussy way out. So he didn't even get to be charged or arrested for it.
None of that. He didn't get to face the music.
What a straight up puss. Yeah, that's a big puss.
Later in life, Ben said his father was violent and gave the impression that he may have been the victim of his father's sexual abuse, but never comes out and says it.
And it seemed like later he was like, he was definitely violent.
He definitely wasn't like a really good dad.
Yeah. So but not again, not a lot has come out about this.
Right. But psychologists have looked at what he did to these women.
And have like postured that maybe he was like switching the roles a little bit.
Because you will find out later that he did things like he cut their hair really short and stuff.
Oh. Almost making them look like boys. Yeah.
And so it seems like maybe he's like taking back the power that was maybe taken from him when he was younger.
Sure. And making them into like versions of himself.
Oh, okay. But that's like a deep psychology kind of like dive into it.
That's like my favorite part of true crime.
I love that stuff. Yeah. If I can find some of the articles that I was looking at in the psychology journals about this, I'll definitely post them so people can look because it's interesting.
Cool. He was dishonorably discharged from the army after he committed armed robbery.
Oh. Robert was. Okay. He tried to do some college, but he ended up dropping out.
Samesies. He tried to be a cop. He didn't get hired.
Same Zs. This is not good. He moved back to Council Bluffs.
He got married and had one son. Oh, no. Yeah.
Luckily, he didn't seem to have a whole lot to do with his child, and that's probably in the child's best interest.
Yeah. It's a bummer, but also great. Yeah.
So he became a long haul truck driver after attempting to work different things like supermarkets, restaurants, like just like any kind of job.
Uh-huh. He was super into the swinger and BDSM scene.
Okay, live your life. And live your life.
You should have just... Kept it there, bro.
And he used the name Whips and Chains as his BDSM name.
Cool. And he liked, you know, but the thing was that bothers me because it's like, live your life. do sure but he tried to like force his wives into it and his wives were not into it yeah if you're not into it yeah it's not allowed It's like, that's not okay.
Right. Consent. Yeah, exactly. So... People on the road when he became a truck driver, they thought he got a reputation for being kind of creepy.
Okay. Like sex workers and like swingers clubs even like that he frequented were like, yeah, no, like this dude's weird.
He was like too aggressive it seems. Yeah, it's like there was just something off about him once they got to know him.
They said initially he came off as this like very charming, very sweet, like...
And when he was younger, he was like relatively good looking, you know, like he was a very unassuming.
Right. But then it got uncomf. Well, and even other truckers stayed away from him because they were like, yeah, I don't know.
Something's off there. And that says something.
And then rumors began to circulate among like, you know, hitchhikers and sex workers and like... what truckers referred to as lot lizards, which were any women that were around truck stops, basically.
That's a horrible name. Isn't it a horrible name?
You're a lot lizard. Yeah, a lot lizard.
Like, I'm chilling. Fuck off. There's a Starbucks in there.
I'm chilling. So rumors started circulating among them that he possibly had like a sex dungeon in his truck, like the cab.
And they were right. like we said he took that whips and chains nickname and he used it as his CB handle And he also was known as Dusty.
That was his other CB handle. I'm a Dusty with a chain.
Which I think is just like... That's yuckas.
Like you think of Joyride, it's like candy cane.
Yeah. I don't even know what the other ones are.
I'm sorry if your nickname is Dusty but I wouldn't I wouldn't want my nickname to be Dusty but Dusty is probably like one of the like super chill ones like Yeah.
Joyride, it was like Rusty Nail. I would love for my nickname to be Rusty Nail.
That's fucking, like, I'm gonna give you tetanus.
I'm gonna give you tetanus. Stay away from me.
Leave me alone. I'll give you tetanus. A rusty nail.
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All of his wives said he was a manipulative asshole.
Great. Like, that's why he was just blowing through them.
Aw, sham. He had a very unique truck. It was this white, very pristine truck.
It was a sleeper cab because, again, he was a long-haul trucker.
But he had converted it into exactly what he needed.
He needed a mobile torture chamber. Who doesn't?
Am I right? I mean, don't we all? Yeah. But we can't all have it.
It was like the Toy Box Killer situation where...
He personalized the truck to hold women for weeks at a time.
Could be assaulted and tortured before eventually being murdered and dumped.
That's horrible. Yes. So there was a GQ magazine article written by a woman named Vanessa Veselka.
Vanessa Veselka, that's her name. So in 1985, Vanessa was a young girl hitchhiking across country.
She remembers now that she was sitting in a truck waiting for the trucker who had initially picked her up to pay for gas. she noticed commotion near a dumpster and discovered that people had found a deceased body of a young teenage girl in it as she was there spook So there was all this craziness.
The police showed up. Somebody around her said it was a young teen girl who was murdered while hitchhiking.
Oh, geez. So immediately Vanessa is like, uh, fuck.
What if this trucker that picked me up is the guy who did it?
Like, we don't know. Yeah, you don't know.
But inexplicably, she decided that was crazy and she just stuck with him.
Oh. Now, despite what you're like, oh, shit, what happened?
It turned out to be a very nice trip for her.
Okay, good. She's in the truck. This trucker was not Ben Rhodes.
Oh, okay. She said they drank Diet Cokes. they listened to bruce springsteen they ate snacks all the way to ohio she told gq magazine that she was pleasantly surprised that he didn't even try to have sex with her That's always a pleasant surprise.
Which I'm like, what a world. Wow. That you're like, he didn't even try to do it.
This prince charming did not even try to rape me.
Everybody has standards, Alina. What a guy.
So that's really sad that that's like, wow, geez, pleasantly surprised.
So days later, after she was dropped off from that nice experience, she was picked up on I-95 in Carolina and she was hitchhiking again.
No. This guy was tall, built, and very clean cut.
He wore a button-down shirt that was rolled up over his very toned biceps.
Was it Ben Rhodes? And he just really didn't fit the trucker description.
It was Ben Rhodes, wasn't it? It was totally Ben Rhodes.
She also noted that the cab of his truck was extraordinarily clean. okay um i feel like poor truckers are getting a badass rep as like messy monsters here but like well i mean you're like fucking busy But like they're long haul truckers.
They got a lot. They're exhausted. I'm long hauling.
I'm sure there's not a lot of time to like pristinely clean your cab.
Well, Ben Rhodes could do it. Yeah, I mean, Ben Rhodes apparently is multitasking.
So initially he was very charming and nice.
He gave her no indication of threatening behavior. mm-hmm while driving suddenly his demeanor changed awesome like as soon as he picked her up he was like hey girl get back in this car it's fine let's just hang out it's gonna be fun and then as soon as they started driving and like the doors are locked and everything's in he's like all of a sudden He suddenly stopped answering questions and just had a look in his eye that frightened her.
So he brought up the woman who had been found dead in the dumpster.
Oh. And what she had said about the first truck or the really the nice one was that they didn't speak of that girl at all.
Because he probably was like, I'm not going to kill you and we don't need to talk about somebody that died while hitchhiking while you're here. hitchhiking.
Exactly. So he was probably trying to be respectful and be like, I'm not going to freak this girl out by being so about that murdered hitchhiking teen that they just found in a dumpster.
Meanwhile Ben Rhodes is like, so about that murder.
Ben Rhodes is a fucking turd. Well, he's a sadist.
So he brings up the woman and she's like, oh, okay.
And then he says, do you know about the Laughing Death Society?
We laugh at death. I mean, how fitting.
Fucking dork. You know about the Laughing Death Society?
We laugh at death. I'd be like, who the funk?
I'd be like, that's dumb. That's dumb as fuck.
And then he would have just murdered you.
Like, you're dumb. So they pull over in a wooded area.
No thanks. Where he suddenly pulls out a knife. and he tried to force her into the cab of the truck oh god now according to the gq article written in her words she said she repeatedly tried to and this is smart She repeatedly tried to tell him, this is your choice.
Like she kept saying it, this is your choice.
Yes. You're choosing this. That is really smart.
And she said, you don't have to do this, but this is your choice.
I won't go to the police if you don't hurt me, but this is your choice.
She kept repeating that. And then she said he looked at her and just said, run. oh haha i know i got me a chill up my damn spine and then right down my damn spine i just got chills saying that he literally she said If somebody told me to run, I'd be like, well, I need to know if you're going to chase me because should I set a pace or like...
Should I sprint right out the gate? Or should I get shin splints pretty easily?
Is this like a 300 meter dash or are we running a marathon? far i mean should is there a landmark where i could stop should i use some of those gel packs that people use that just like get a burst of energy do you have any dr shoals in the back it's like no no okay okay i'll just go he just said run oh hey and she ran because i'd be like do you want to She said she did not even think twice.
She just fucking ran. She was like, and I ran.
I ran so far away. Did she get away? This is why we can laugh about this.
She got away. Okay, okay. She escaped and ran into the woods where she hid until she saw him pull away.
Oh, man. Oh, man. Which, first, I mean, we...
We are joking because this was a happy ending, obviously.
But that's traumatizing as fuck. Yeah. Do you think she ever hitchhiked again?
I don't know. know actually i want to know but actually you know what she did because she said she waited until he pulled away and then she had to hitchhike again she walked back onto the road and had to do it again Wow.
So, I mean, I don't know if she got into another truck.
Yeah. Maybe. But either way, like in the GQ article, which I'll post in the show notes.
So amazing. It's so well researched. I mean, she goes into all the other things about this case.
She did a lot of research. She talked to FBI agents.
It's like... Because she fucking was with this dude.
She did the damn thing. That's wild. And she's a badass survivor.
All right, tell me more. So in the late 1980s, an 18-year-old girl, this one's real rough.
So just putting that out there. Okay. She does live though.
Okay. I want to put that up. Thank you. 18 year old girl, kind of the same situation.
Her name was Shauna Holtz. She asked him, she asked Robert Ben Rhodes for a ride.
Yep. On the road, she said she fell asleep.
And this is when he pulled off into a secluded area.
She woke up and started panicking because she was like, what the fuck?
And he hit her in the head and then dragged her at gunpoint into the back of the sleeper cab.
Oh, my God. Oh. Oh. He stripped off her clothing and forced a horse's bit into her mouth and around her head and neck, the horse bridle.
He tortured her for weeks. She was almost naked the entire time and he would stick her with pins all over, used fish hooks to suspend her and pierce her with them.
Ow! Sure. Jesus Christ. After he got off from her terror and pain, like after he like ejaculated from this.
He would let her sleep, only to wake her up and violently rape her. oh my god yeah and she's she's an 18 year old girl this is like the that you see on criminal minds and it's so hard to wrap your brain around the fact that this happens oh yeah Like this isn't just like someone's dark corner of like their brain where like they're storytelling.
This shit happens. This is real life. These are things that people are living with right now.
And it's horrible that it's so hard for me to wrap my brain around the fact that like a human can do that to a human.
Oh, it's so hard to wrap your brain around that.
It's a totally different kind of human. It is.
It's not even a human. No. Ugh. Well, and it gets worse.
To go to the bathroom, he would go somewhere secluded, like when she had to go to the bathroom.
Right. and he would bring her out naked on all fours and a leash. and collar oh my god and he made her go to the bathroom in the all fours position like a dog Oh my God.
After almost a month of this, he took her to his apartment suddenly in Houston.
Oh God. That would be. horrifying this is weird where he let her bathe and eat and then he raped her uh-huh He then took her back to the truck and he left her in the truck unshackled, telling her, be a good girl.
And then he went to do something. Like, at, like, a local brewery for work.
Okay. He was... To me... Because she was like, what the fuck?
Because there's also stories where it's like, oh, she got out of her shackles because he didn't, you know, he didn't like close them all the way right but she says that's not the case he didn't shackle me he just told me be a good girl so to me He was hoping that he had instilled so much fear in her and that he had broken her that she would willingly stay unshackled just out of pure fear.
Like he thought he had that much domination over her that he could just go be a good girl and she'd just stay there.
Right. Well, she ran like a bad bitch. Yeah, good.
She went straight to the police, brought them straight back to the truck.
Oh, my God. Wait, she brought them back to the truck?
She was like, here's the truck. What? Like, here it is.
Well, yeah. No, no, no. I'm saying like good for her, but like the police saw the truck and like there's still more after this.
Oh, yeah. You're like, yeah, duh, I actually showed them.
I'm like, yeah, she showed them. I'm like, no, I get that.
But when it came down to charges... she wouldn't press charges because they said she wouldn't even look at him she was looking down at the ground while they were standing there it must have been so scary she wouldn't identify him and she said she was so terrified that even the police wouldn't even be able to save her she said there wasn't enough police around he was gonna like he would have taken me again oh my god and she was like i just i just said like i don't know i don't know and so and later she was like no fuck you that was him like right so they didn't the police didn't press it But also she's 18 years old.
And they didn't search the truck. So they just, she was like, nope, I'm mistaken.
And they're like, all right. And she's, you know, an 18-year-old hitchhiker.
So they're like, what? It's her word against his.
Oh, that's like heartbreaking. But she got away, but he was free to kill.
Right. And now he's pissed off, I bet. Exactly.
So November 1989, he's 44 years old at this point.
He killed for the first known time. This is the first time that he admits to.
But they think he began in 1975. Okay. So this is when they think he picked up 24-year-old Candace Walsh and Douglas Sykowski.
Oh, okay. They were newlyweds. Okay, okay.
They had just left Seattle in November and they were hitchhiking to Georgia where they were going to do some like missionary work and like...
Christian missionary work They're pure AF They are pure AF That's when Rhodes picked them up in Texas Okay He killed Douglas immediately.
Oh, wow. Which he does in the two instances that we know of him killing.
We know he dispatches the man right away. because they're just an obstacle at this point they're like alright I'm just gonna I'm assuming he like probably shoots them and then that's it I can't imagine how horrible because then you're like, oh, my God, what is going to happen to me?
Imagine the fear and like just feeling of hopelessness. yeah that's your human yeah you just got married you just got married and so he killed him immediately he dumped him along interstate 10 in ozona texas He was found pretty quickly in Texas, but he wasn't identified until 1992.
Oh, wow. Candace was kept for seven days.
She was tortured. She was raped repeatedly. and he killed her by shooting her multiple times and then dumped her in Millard County, Utah.
Oh, my goodness. Her body was found in October 1990 in central Utah by deer hunters.
Can you imagine? No. Like, whenever I hear of that, I'm like, damn. but she was not officially identified until 2003 oh wow and they had to use dental records oh um so one of the people that worked on this case said quote her body was found months later so she was probably kept alive for a while okay Now, by this time, his fourth wife, Deborah, who he married in February of 1990, says that she met him during this time. uh when she met him he was dressed as an airline pilot and it was it took like a long time for him to admit that he was not an airline That's like that movie with Leonardo DiCaprio.
Oh, catch me if you can. Yes, that's exactly it.
He tried to bring her into the BDSM stuff.
She wasn't into it. I'm busy that day. In fact, she said at one time at like some swingers party.
He brought her into a room where he had drugged an unconscious young woman who was lying on the bed.
And then he proceeded to rape this young woman in front of his wife.
Oh. So after that, that's when Debra was like, I'd like a divorce.
It was a little weird. I don't know if I'm into this.
At this point, sex workers, hitchhikers, they were banding together because there was just all these missing women and dead women turning up.
A lot of them were getting, like, they were seeing other people get into his truck and then they would never see them again.
So now they were like looking out and being like, yeah, we're not getting in his truck.
Oh, okay. So April 1st, 1991, this is when things came to a crashing halt.
But also when the horrors came into better focus.
So that's when they discovered Miranda at the back of his truck from the beginning.
Sure. So after he had been interrogated after being caught with Miranda screaming in a sleeper cab, officers were able to secure a warrant to search his apartment in Houston. on April 6th they found women's makeup women's clothing they found bondage porn and paraphernalia they found all kinds of weird tools that looked like torture tools white towels everywhere one was saturated with blood oh I found in several sources that there was a Santana album poster on the wall that looks like a lion.
But when you look closer, it's just a bunch of faces screaming in pain.
Oh. And knowing what kind of sexual status he is, that's just, like, really unsettling. very unsettling and it's in a lot of different sources so i think it's just one of those things it's just like it just gives you the heebs That's like a very good like movie.
It is. That'd be like good in a movie. That reminds me of like a Buffalo Bill kind of thing.
Yeah. The most unsettling thing they found, however, was photographs.
These were photos of a very young girl like in her early teens.
She had short dark hair and she looked terrified and was crying in most photos.
Some photos she was in various stages of undress, in some she was nude.
She was also shackled up and restrained in every photo.
She also always had a choke chain around her neck with a place for a leash to clip on.
This is when agents realized she was with him for a long period of time because Rhodes' signature thing he did was cut the hair on the head and also shave the pubic hair.
Whenever he kept someone like, you know, Shauna, those people, they always had their hair cut and pubic hair shaved.
That's so awful. These photos showed that there was regrowth in various photos and that meant it was weeks of torture for this young girl.
There were also bruises specifically around her breasts that could be seen fading in the series of photos over time.
God. Rhodes had been sentenced to six years for the kidnapping of Miranda at this point.
That's it? yes but don't worry i'm not but like damn i'm not you only get six years for kidnapping somebody i mean that's ridiculous with the judicial system I'm wrong.
In 1992, a farmer in Illinois... was doing a thorough search of a decaying old barn in a huge field.
It was one of his properties. And he was planning to have it demolished, so he wanted to make sure there was nothing in it before he did that.
And guess what there was? He went up in the loft and found a young woman dead.
This woman was 14-year-old Regina K. Walters.
So young. She had been strangled with bailing wire that was attached to a wooden beam like a grot.
She was strangled far past the point of death.
Walters had been... reported missing when she was last seen in Pasadena, Texas in February of 1990.
She had been hitching with her boyfriend, Ricky Lee Jones, They were trying to run away together to Mexico.
And they had taken a ride from Robert Ben Rhodes.
Right. And it didn't go well. detectives thought back to the photos they found in Rhodes' possession at his apartment.
The ones of the young girl with the short hair.
Did they think it's her? She looked like Regina Walters, but Regina had long thick hair and this woman had short cropped hair.
So detectives showed one of the photos to her father, like one of the ones that they like covered things and like made sure it wasn't horrible.
Detective showed one to her father and he said, that's definitely her.
So he had kept her for so long that her hair had grown back.
Yeah. And what did you say? She was 14 when she was found?
Well, the thing was, her hair was still cropped short when she was found, but Regina K. Walters had long hair.
Okay, okay. So they were like, is this her?
Because this doesn't look like her. he was able to specifically point to birthmarks on her neck to prove that that was her. that the girl found in the barn and the girl in the photos was regina and that's probably when they kind of figured out that that was like something he did yeah like cut the hair yeah because now they're seeing a pattern So now they know that the woman who they found murdered in the barn in Illinois is Regina K. Walters.
And this is now confirmed to be the woman in terror in his photos. apparently he had called regina's father what anonymously to taunt him about her over a month after she went missing He called him and said, quote, I made some changes.
I cut her hair. Oh my God. Can you imagine? no he then told him she's in a barn in a loft in a barn and when her father asked if she was okay he just hung up the phone That makes me want to cry.
He also called her mother and at one point asked her to meet him somewhere and she showed up and he never showed up.
And like kept calling them and like taunting them about her.
I mean, obviously murder in and of itself is like the most. horrific thing ever but it's oh there's almost something more horrific about when they when they call the family because these this this these parents are have a missing child Like, you are the devil.
And this person, this man is calling saying, I have your child.
And here's her name. Here's who she is. Like, he knows who she is.
So you're sitting there being like, what's happening to her?
And I don't know who this person is. Yeah. these calls were traced and checked against roads, trucking logs, and they matched the areas.
Right. Later, they would discover Regina's journal was in Rhodes' possession.
It had the name and number for her father, and this is what Rhodes used to call them.
Oh, my God. But what really sealed the deal was an infamous series of photos that can be found online.
This is actually what made me think of this case.
The photos show Regina in and around the barn that she was found dead in. she's wearing a black dress oh is that the one that we posted yeah that's the one that i showed you too She's wearing black heels that are too big for her, short cropped hair.
She also has a choke chain around her neck and she looks terrified yeah she does and is often shown holding her arms out like in a defensive position to keep her away from him These photos were taken right in the moments before she was murdered.
Oh, my God. So experts compared these photos with those from the crime scene in Illinois and were able to conclude it was the same barn.
There was also one of the experts in this case was saying, you know, these guys often tell their victims what's going to happen to them.
And I'm sure in those photos she was being told what was going to happen to her.
And that's why her face is in such despair.
Putting yourself there, like, like figure, like, ugh. it's the worst part about these photos and um if you look them up you'll see in the barn first of all it's broad daylight yeah yeah and second of all you can see houses in the background oh my god and you just want to yell at her like run like just run she might have tried i think one she was probably too traumatized and scared And, like, weak.
And too weak. Yeah. And three, he might have had a gun.
Right. But it's like, I just want to yell at her, like, just run.
And I don't mean weak like she was like too weak to her.
I mean like she probably wasn't eating and stuff like that.
Like beaten down over weeks. Yeah, like that's.
I didn't want anybody to misconstrue that I. Yeah, like that she was a weak person.
Yeah. That's not what I meant. But no, it's like... It's just you see, like, just hope behind her.
You know what I mean? In the picture. And you're just like...
Well, in any, the broad daylight is like, it's so scary.
And to think of that horror happening. in daylight like I think I don't know if I was listening to a podcast about this or if I read an article but somebody was saying that they couldn't stop thinking of the people in those houses just living their lives.
Yeah, like making lunch or... Without knowing this and Regina sitting there maybe seeing those houses and being like those people are just living.
Right. While I'm about to lose my life.
In the most horrific way ever. Oh, God. This is so sad.
It makes me want to cry. It's a lot. So her boyfriend, Ricky Lee Jones, was killed almost immediately like Douglas.
Right. Not a lot is known about him. Or Regina, really, but everyone knew that they were hopelessly in love and they were planning to run away together because young love is very... overwhelming and dramatic.
So what they found was that he had cut her hair on her head and shaved the pubic hair of all the All his victims.
Once they made these connections through all the victims, they notified Illinois to inform them we have this connection.
Look for this. Right. So in early 1992, Illinois state attorney was finally like, sure, let's do this.
Right. So he was basically convinced to take a plea deal, Robert Ben Rhodes was, and agreed to plead guilty for the murder of Regina.
He was sentenced to life without the possibility of parole.
Thank God. So they analyzed his truck logs. and the FBI put them against skeletonized bodies of women found along the routes.
He traveled across the country. He hit states like...
California, Washington, Oregon, Arizona, New Mexico, Utah, Texas, Oklahoma.
Arkansas, Louisiana, Mississippi, Kentucky, Illinois, Indiana, Pennsylvania, New Jersey, Georgia, Florida, and those are just some of the states he hit.
And that's crazy because you think like California on literally the opposite side of the world and then Florida right there.
Or not the world, the country I meant. The country.
Yeah. um well that's and it's like he hit all of those states and more that's so scary everywhere in every state um And there are bodies in all those states and missing women.
So today they're still trying to connect him to these, but many of these missing women and murdered women have been attributed to him wow but most of the families didn't want to go through trials because he was already in jail forever and they just didn't want the pain that's awful to have to go through he's in jail without the possibility of parole why am i gonna put our whole family what's the point again like let's just let him rot so they think he killed like I said earlier between 1975 and 1990 he could be pretty prolific if they can attach more to him In 2005, he was brought back to Utah to face charges for the murders of Douglas and Candace, the newlyweds.
But after a year there, he was brought back to Illinois in 2006 and then extradited to Texas where they were able to try him for all the murders together instead of making Candace and Douglas' family go through multiple trials in multiple states.
Mm-hmm. So in 2012 on March 30th he was sentenced to a second life term for her murder.
Wow. Good. In exchange for them not seeking the death penalty because they could have. literally never get out of jail because even if for some crazy reason illinois let him out of prison texas would imprison him for life right right He's currently in the Menard Correctional Center in Chester, Illinois.
So this is just a crazy story. Another survivor found out that she survived a ride with him by seeing one of the photos he took of her way later in life on Facebook. facebook what so the photo was circulating online asking who she was did she not remember they were trying to identify well well nothing happened nothing crazy happened to her she just took a ride from him oh okay um in 2005 she was like oh shit that's me So her name is Pamela Milliken.
She was the woman in the photo that circulated around Facebook.
And actually survivor Vanessa Veselka was shown this photo by an FBI agent while she was researching to do that GQ article.
So it was just like a casual photo. Yeah.
Well, they were like, here's a photo we found in his possession.
Right. And the photo is innocuous by itself.
It was found on the roll after Regina K. Walters photos.
In it, it's just Milliken in the truck passenger seat and she's like lightly smiling and her eyes are kind of like...
She's probably just like, this is fucking weird.
Yeah, and she just kind of looks like, uh-huh, okay.
She said she had been hitchhiking to visit her brother in Winnipeg, and Rhodes picked her up.
She said she handed her bag to him while she hopped up.
She said he was very friendly, very unassuming.
The only weird thing, he explained away pretty neatly.
So just as Milliken was turning around to climb up into the passenger seat...
She says the driver took her photo and she said, what did you do that for?
And he said, well, I'm going to take your pic.
If you rip me off, I can tell the cops that you stole from me.
So she was like, okay, like that makes sense, I guess.
And he also pointed to a sign on the dashboard that apparently was kind of common in trucks at that time.
And it said, cash, grass, or ass. No one rides for free. oh so she said she didn't have any of those things except one so they had consensual sex in the back Okay.
She said she that he then dropped her off at her destination and that was it.
But she was like, it was definitely Robert Ben Rhodes.
I mean, her photo is in his possession. Yeah.
It definitely is. Now, a couple of little tidbits at the end one of his wives said that he would often become aroused when she was suffering In fact, she was hospitalized with lupus and he was super turned on by that.
Yeah. Yep. Both the surviving victims, Vanessa and Shauna, said he placed a white towel underneath them before he began torturing. torturing them every time that's very strange very into white towels it's really weird and they said they found a ton of them in his apartment right you had said that While he was being transferred between prisons, he was able to get the phone number of a waitress while in shackles.
What? That's how charming he was. Like, honey, I'm going to call you from jail?
Like, what? He ended up having a stroke in prison.
Good. And he now looks like a supervillain.
Like, he doesn't look anything like... Oh, but he's still alive?
He didn't die from the stroke? He's still alive.
He has a stroke, and it just... It paralyzed half his face, so he has kind of, like, a... a scary Popeye look at this moment.
Good, I'm glad I did that to him. I was going to say, but honestly, if anybody deserves it, he does.
Yeah, 105%. So that is the story of Robert Ben Rhodes.
That was insane. The truck stopped. That was like a huge bummer.
It's a big old bummer, but at least he's serving two life sentences without the possibility of parole.
I wish. This is going to sound so crazy.
He's close to 70 now, so. But I totally wish that they could somehow keep you alive for two lives.
For two whole lives. So that you had to serve both.
That would be kind of nice. If anybody could figure that out, just like figure it out.
Yeah, because he's close to 70. He's had a stroke.
Yeah. I'm pretty sure he's probably going to kick it soon.
Yeah. But all we can hope is that it's long and drawn out and suffering.
Super hope so. Because one thing we definitely know is that, I mean, he loved long drawn outs. suffering so you know what maybe he'll like get off on his own death yeah maybe he will i hope he doesn't i hope so but i hope so either i hope so either it's late guys But unfortunately, it's like Regina K. Walters that the way she died with the carot made of bailing wire is a very slow and torturous death.
And just her whole entire experience. Her whole experience.
The photos are... some of the most and they're not graphic as in like gory or anything no they're just scary they're the most disgusting serving because you're it's unfortunately your mind tries to put together the pieces and like and you just you don't want them yeah and her face is just pure terror I gotta go watch Gilmore Girls.
Yeah, it's no good. This was heavy. So, hope this was everything everybody could have hoped for and more. uh sorry that it was so grisly but we had to cover it you gotta do these people you gotta do it So I hope that I did this case justice.
Unfortunately, there's not a ton about the victims or I would have gone a little further into them.
There's just not a lot of information about them, but the best I could.
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