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Hi, everyone. I'm Johnny. Hi, I'm Tyler.

I'm Elena. And I'm Ash. And you're listening to the hybrid of that spook and morbid.

A beautiful crossover. Yeah, we put them in a blender and this is what's coming out of you.

And it's delicious. It's a delicious green juice.

It's good for you, too. And you feel good afterward.

So well, we're here. It's a very joyous occasion.

We're like meeting over the powers that are Zoom.

We're working with technology, we're putting our hands across the border and we're doing a cheer together.

We're like creating a little space in our hands to throw you, the listener, up in the air and just see where you go.

Right. Yeah, that just painted the most beautiful picture.

Yeah, I love that. Like spaghetti that you throw against the wall.

Yeah, you're going to become like a flying spaghetti monster over the next hour and a half.

That's all we want. A spaghetti yeti. Yeah, this is like an experience like literature, cinema, astral projection, cosmetic.

Beauty. Yeah, it's going to be many things.

It is. And I'm sorry to like steamroll everything.

I'm going to open up the floor. Because we thought that the best way to start this whole thing off would be to talk about Drag Race a little bit, because that's a little bit of a common thread that we have between us.

Sure is. Yes, absolutely. Yeah. And it's to my understanding that Elena and Ash have recently started watching Drag Race, but we are over in our tacky little program that's spooky.

We talk about Drag Race basically like every episode, I'd say.

Absolutely. Which we love. Yeah, it's kind of to the point now where we don't need to say it, but we've watched just about every episode and it's kind of pathetic.

So we thought we would open it. up. We would ask a few questions, maybe do some icebreakers and, you know, get to know each other a little bit better because our listeners may not know exactly who you are.

Your listeners may not know exactly who we are.

And you know, we're a family now. Yeah, Drag Race is going to unite us all.

It really will. The bond that unites. It's like Hands Across America, but with drag queens.

Yes. It's the glue of these COVID times.

All right. It is. Since we're all fans here, since we're all chatting, since we're going to spend like 10 minutes talking about Drag Race before we hop into the main event, I got some questions for the room.

Is that cool? Yes, definitely. Absolutely.

So, Elena, Ash, Tyler, I'll answer myself.

If you were a drag queen on Drag Race, what kind of drag queen would you be on the show?

I mean, personally, I'd probably be a busted queen, even though I think I wouldn't.

You know, no way. So we'll see a campy comedy queen.

Yeah, like a dollar store princess. I love that.

Dollar store princess. Absolutely. I know this was easy.

I would be a spooky queen. 100%. Oh, yeah.

Like share needles. Like. That's exactly how you'd be.

Yes. Or Aiden Zane. Yes. But I feel like I would be a little better than Aiden.

That's fair. You might have like a little bit more of a wig selection.

Yeah, a little bit more, yeah. Have you ever watched Dragula?

No. Dragula? No. You would like Dragula though.

I've heard good things. Oh, that's something to get into.

Because I think Annie actually told us to get into that.

She did. Shout out to Annie. My girlfriend is into every drag show that exists.

Yeah, if you love a spooky queen, you'll love Dragula.

Yeah, and they have performers of all gender.

It doesn't disappear. I feel like I would be a super glam queen just because I love that.

I'd have like sparkles and sequins everywhere.

But then my girlfriend said I would find out along the way that I was like a comedy queen, too.

She said a la Trinidad. Oh, yeah. I was like, OK, I don't know what that means.

We haven't got to that season yet. I love that journey for you, though.

It's like a glamour queen that kind of like comes out in the confessionals and just, you know, like fills in the gaps and makes you go like, oh, there's something to her.

She's got a little depth, you know? Depth and beauty.

That's you, man. I think I would be like probably like a spooky dollar store queen, to be honest.

I'm into it. I love that. Yeah, I'd be like a Hobby Lobby.

I'm definitely into that. Polly Pocket, kind of like hobnob of everything.

Me too. Yeah. Why not? Yeah, I think I really need to put it to work.

Well, I mean, I guess this ties perfectly into the next question, which is what would your drag name be then if you were going to be on the show?

Or if you were just going to drop everything tomorrow and become a drag performer.

Oh, shit. That's a hard one. I know. This is like 2020.

Like, I'm full out like Barbara Walters interviewing you, but in like the gayest way possible.

This is perfect. And I can say that because if your listeners don't know, we are gay as hell.

We're a couple. We can say that. Yeah, that's our word.

Well, because I've given this so much thought over the years, I have my answer right away.

So I would be Putina. You're tying it into the Canadian content.

Love that. I love this. Because I love poutine.

And if you just add a Tina on the end, you've got a beautiful name.

That's gorgeous. And I love poutine. I really love that.

I do, too. And the possibilities are endless.

Like you could be Putina Turner. You could be Putina Aguilera.

You could be Putina Applegate. Oh, yeah.

That opens so many doors. Yes. Yeah. That really does.

You could be reborn in so many ways. I love that.

Like Madonna. Wow. You could be like the Madonna of drag queens, but just some bearded queen named Putina from Canada.

You rise to the top. Yeah, I mean, it's just like a recipe for success.

It'll be Putina's Drag Race Canada by the end of it.

You know that. You overtake the whole thing.

Yeah. Ooh, drag name is hard. Yeah. I know, I didn't actually think of a drag name.

I should have put thought into this earlier.

Well, I guess maybe here's the question.

Like, would you be a pun name or would you be like a serious name?

Would you go like the Nicole Page Brooks route or would you be like...

Keisha Carr. Keisha Carr. I feel like I would want a pun name.

That would be great. I think you need a pun name, Alayna.

Right? I feel like you need like a spooky, like, yeah.

Spooky queens need a pun name, I feel like.

A spooky pun. It should have like vampire in the mix somehow.

Like something to do with that. Like haunted a house.

Oh, yes. Something exactly like that. I like how it just came.

I love that. Oh, thank you. That was great.

I kicked a light as I said that, too. So I was just knocked over a soft box out of excitement, I guess.

And it got spooky because the light flickered.

It truly did. Yeah, truly. And you were born.

How about you, Ashley? You're like a glamour queen.

You're like funny, glamour. Are you going to be punny?

Are you going to be real? Is it like Veronica Dupri?

Ooh, okay, I like that. I want, like, a rich-sounding name.

Something southern. I want maybe, yeah, like Savannah or something, but I'd want, like, a Vaughn last name, like, that starts with Vaughn.

And what if it's like a Vaughn and then another first name?

So it could go backwards if you wanted to do the remix.

Yes, I'm into it. Yeah, like Von Beatrice.

Oh, yeah. That's what she wants. Savannah Von Beatrice.

RuPaul would definitely hate that. Okay, of the Southern Beatrices.

Yeah, I think Johnny's missed his calling as like a drag mentor.

He really is. That's me. He's like, this is who you are.

I need to be like the Rocky coach of like the drag world where I like... throw you in the corner, I put the mouthguard in you, spritz you with water, and I'm like, you're fabulous, diva, you're wonderful. hit you on the ass and send you out to play.

Exactly. Check your nails and put you back on the runway.

Yeah. I'm like the pageant mom. You really are.

You just created us. You really did. Yeah, we just created your drag identities.

I love that. We were just born. That's fabulous.

Somebody needs to draw that. Oh, yeah. Ooh.

Somebody please draw that. Someone please, please draw that.

I think I would be like Cake Bush. And that would be me.

Oh, that is phenomenal. I love that. Because it's either like a Curvy Queen reference because, you know.

Curvy clean. Or it could be like, you know, like a Trinity Taylor Aso reference where it's like cakes bush, you know?

Yes. Yes, that's perfect. Works on every level.

All right. Here we are. I'm taking it. It's fun.

You're like, called it. We're the newest drag girl group and we're here to rule this school.

Yes. Right. And I guess so since we're cementing our drag careers here, who would you play on Snatch Game?

Oh, I know. You'd have to play Elvira. Oh, hell yeah.

I mean, I don't have the boobs for it, but I could get them.

Oh, yeah, you could buy them. Boobsforqueen.com, easy.

See, problem solved. Yeah, you could even paint them.

Like, if there's a will, there's a way. We can make it happen.

Yeah. I think when I was thinking about this before, I was like, I'd want to be like Lana Del Rey or something.

And then my girlfriend was like, well, she's not funny.

And I was like, oh, okay. So then I settled on either Ramona Singer or Sonya from The Real Housewives.

Oh, which would be perfect. Make those funny.

I mean, you could make Lana Del Rey funny.

Lana Del Rey. I feel like I could just be like very spaced out.

Yeah, like controlled by the Illuminati.

Yes, exactly. Yeah. Yeah. And she's so unfunny that it would be funny to make her so unfunny. and have like a ridiculous flower crown and like super long red nails.

It'd be a lot of fun. You could do like a Lana Del Rey into Carole Baskin thing.

Oh, my God. Wow. Okay, that's it. Sold me.

You really are a drag mother. That was it.

Yeah. Seven years of theater school. You're manifesting this.

Like, seriously, after this, can we just shoot a pilot?

Right. Yeah, let's do it. We got it. Like we're in isolation.

We're on Zoom. There's only like a one second lag.

So, I mean, we can make magic happen. Yes.

Yeah, we really could. This is cool. Would you be Johnny?

I think either someone like Bea Arthur or Lorraine Warren.

I'm into both of those so hard. Those are great options.

Because one gives me a chance to wear shoulder pads and give a not now ma.

And then the other one. Gives me the option to be like, well, Ed and I used to accept a buffalo nickel per ghost we'd accept back in the day and just turn her into like an old Chattanooga choo-choo singing like.

Oh, yeah. Lots of woo. Lots of woo. Just like big pinned Civil War bride hair.

Like, I think it would be. Oh, my God. Yes.

Oh, yeah. I'm voting Lorraine. Maybe you should just do both.

Oh, whoa. Bob the Drag Queen. Half and half.

Vibe into it. Yeah, because you could kind of do like a Lorraine Warren reveal into a Bea Arthur, because she's got the shorter cut.

Oh, I love that. And then it would just be a matter of throwing on a caftan.

Yeah, I could see that. You could totally do that.

We're really doing this today. Absolutely.

We are committed. Like, why are we even here talking about movies?

I feel like we have a whole drag empire to start up.

Right? Yeah. Yeah, we have shit to do. We got to go, guys.

We got things to do. That's the thing. It's like if you seem like slow to go at the beginning of this, It's not the zoom.

It's the fact that the wheels are slowly turning in our heads and we're all kind of like, we could actually do this.

This is magic. We need to follow this. Is this how the Backstreet Boys started?

I think it is. That's exactly how it started.

Zoom before it's time. And Tyler, who would you be on Snatch Game?

Oh, yeah. Me, I think I would be, at least today, I would be Jennifer Coolidge.

Oh, yes. She's just amazing. Oh, that's genius.

Perfect. That's a good one. And I feel like her roles are all sort of similar so that you can pick from every kind of quotable quote and still create one singular character.

Absolutely. Oh, that's a good one. That's a really good one.

I really love that for you. I do too. I love that.

Thank you. I'm just like, I'm looking at you across the table.

I'm like, that's the man I'm going to marry.

Thank you so much. You just swooning over there.

I know, right? I'm just like, wow, I want a hot dog real bad.

Now, OK, let's say that you didn't do too well on the Snatch Game and you had to lip sync.

What song would you slay in the lip sync to keep yourself in the competition to die another day?

Just to quote Madonna, because we just had a Madonna challenge.

So we've got to keep going with it. Thank you.

So this was hard. I would say for me, I would say anything by Lady Gaga.

Mm hmm. Obviously. Or if I go the other way, I would go with Raspberry Beret by Prince because that's what I sing in the car the most.

That'd be perfect. Mine is similar in the sense that it's like my one karaoke song and it would be Total Eclipse of the Heart by Bonnie Tyler.

Oh, yeah. And I wouldn't have to like flip and dip and do splits and things like that either.

So. Nope. Exactly. Perfect. Yeah. You could just like park and park.

I think I wouldn't go for the flips and dips either.

I would just want to go for like... full-on prince kind of moves.

Just smolder. Like, very theatrical. Yeah.

And be like... Yeah, because because I'm small like Prince, so I can like do the whole slither down the runway.

You can, like, paint the picture of that raspberry beret in their mind's eye.

Yes. Absolutely. I feel like I would have to do Gypsy by Stevie Nicks because it's like my favorite song and it would just be so emotional.

I could like pretend to cry a little bit.

Yes. I could, like, lay on the velvet, you know?

You can have a shawl, shawlography. Yeah, absolutely.

Showography. Beautiful hair. It'd be great.

Yeah. Absolutely love that. I think I would have to do like... libertango by grace jones like strange i've seen that face before yes just like posing and giving like Oh, lots of face.

Yeah. Like human architecture. Yes. Yes.

I love that. That's how you win. Lots of props.

Wow. Just like staring the judges down. Exactly.

Basically sending the message like you and I meant at a French cafe, you were smoking a cigarette and I was like sucking down a plate of brie.

So you can't send me home. She is not sashaying today.

You and I know each other from another life, RuPaul.

When I was face-deep in cheese on Paris walkway.

Yeah. Now it's just a matter of asking, like, who's going to make it to the final four?

Who's spinning the wheel to lip sync against you?

I mean, I guess we're the final four. Here we are.

We have to be. It's a four way tie actually.

For the first time ever. Yes. We love that.

Why not? I mean, if All-Stars 4 taught us anything, it's that the rules are out the window, baby.

We make the rules. Mm-hmm. And I think for anybody listening who doesn't know what the hell we're talking about, like first, congratulations for sticking through this far.

But second of all. If you're like, oh, I want to watch this drag race thing, I would say watch season four first.

Like, it may spoil the first three seasons of Winners.

But I think that is such a well-rounded season to kind of start off with.

That's what I started with. That makes sense because it's like the pilot of any show.

When you watch the pilot, you're like, what the fuck was that?

It's always totally different 100% Exactly Well that was a mistake that I made Trying to introduce Johnny to Buffy As we started from the beginning Oh Should have started at season three.

I'm a Buffy girl, so I feel you on that.

You're speaking to Elena's soul. Yep. It can be tough from the beginning, but... Yeah, especially like 15 years out of its original airing.

Oh, yeah. It was real rough. Oh, yeah. It is.

I can totally see that. In fact, I have seen that with Elena.

Don't worry about it. It gets better. I'm like, what's happening?

Wait for Spike to show up. We'll be good.

Exactly right. So introducing somebody to Buffy, don't start from the pilot because they will leave you alone.

They will. They'll abandon you. Well, and then you went from the pilot to the musical episode.

Oh, you're like, oh, you're in theater school.

You'll love this. And I'm like, what are you like?

Like, what the hell is this? You're like, this is not my cup of tea.

That's like going to Pride and playing Enya and being like, the gays are going to love this.

You know what I mean? Like, no shade to Enya.

With Buffy, you gotta start at, like, you know, the, like, school hard.

The episode, or, like, Hush. Hush is one of the best ones.

Yeah. I love that. Yeah, Hush is a good one.

I liked that one. For Buffy, season five was my favorite season.

That was like the definitive season for me.

Yeah, that was a great one. Mm-hmm. I gotta rewatch that.

I could talk about Buffy all day. I know.

I was gonna say. I know. Well, I mean...

That's kind of germane to the conversation.

And I feel like that's like a nice bridge into what we're here to talk about today.

Yeah. Because we're here to talk about stories that focus on powerful, blonde, female characters.

Yes. That's right. Like Ash. Yeah. Yes.

Yeah, exactly. Exactly. Like, surprise, Ash, this is your life.

We're not actually talking to the Invisible Man today.

Welcome to your life. And retrospective, yeah.

Oh, God. That'd be quite the episode. You guys got time for that?

We took an extra five minutes to start this actually because we had to put all the photos up around the walls of our apartment. for the gallery portion of tonight's program.

If you'd rather, though, we can talk about the movie.

Yeah, absolutely. Yeah, I'm into it. So if you haven't read the episode description yet or you I don't know, we're just like starting this episode 20 minutes in.

We are here today to talk about The Invisible Man, which just recently came out on streaming due to the COVID pandemic.

So good. I love this movie. Amazing. Yeah.

Yeah. I watched it three times. I actually saw it in theaters the week it came out.

When people did that. So that's the thing.

It like came out like just a week or two before social isolation was starting.

Was that true? Remember that? Yeah, it was a great time.

Miss that time. It's like pre-war Berlin for the gays.

It's like, oh, my God, remember when it was so wonderful?

Oh, yup. I love that. Would you just love the feeling of that sticky pop on your feet at the theater and you didn't have to worry about it?

Yes. Yes, I miss that. And like getting like chocolate cookie dough all over my white sweater.

I want to go back. I can hear it photographed by Nickelback playing very quietly in the background right now. beautiful but yeah The Invisible Man actually like given how short it was in theater it actually cleaned up it made like 110

$125.8 million on a $7 to $9 million budget.

$7 to $9,000. It was groundbreaking. Imagine. we're like whoa the profit margins yeah literally Elizabeth Moss did it as a complete favor yeah But she actually kind of did do a favor to the movie.

Like this was something that Tyler found out when we were looking into this a little bit more.

Oh, really? Oh, yeah. So I guess the director, Lee Wannell, I believe.

Lee Wannell. Wannell. Elena will just wake up yelling Lee Wan-El's name.

Yeah, I just yell Lee Wan-El every once in a while.

It's the abyss. I'm so ready for this podcast.

So I guess he consulted with Elizabeth Moss a lot in the creation of the story because he also wrote it.

And I think that's really great considering it's a story from the perspective of her character and to get that narrative tied into it to make sure he wasn't like out speaking especially given the subject matter that the movie covers where it's a lot about like domestic abuse.

It's very reflective of the Me Too movement.

So the fact that she had a lot of control over that conversation and the presentation of that, I thought was really kind of cool.

Yeah, that is cool. I love that. I actually read and I think it was like a Vulture interview that he did that he said that Elizabeth would read some of his words and then she would be like you know what this whole paragraph I can just do this with my eyes or like a look I don't need this paragraph oh wow Yeah.

And at first he was like, like, I kind of I wrote all this like I'm a writer.

Maybe just let me do that. And he was like, but I let her do it.

And she nailed it every time. And I was so happy. because she would like turn to him and be like, I have the power of Xenu on my side.

Just remember I grew up Scientologist and then a candle would like raise up two feet behind her.

And he was like, all right, okay. You know what?

Nailed it. Whatever you want, Elizabeth.

Whatever you want. But this movie was actually kind of caught in production hell for a while because they tried to start writing it in 2011, I was reading.

Oh yeah, I read that too. Oh, I didn't even know that.

Oh wow. Yeah. Yeah. So it turns out they tried to write it like history lesson.

They tried to write it in 2011. The dude abandoned it.

And then it was picked up again in 2016 to be part of this like dark universe. that Universal Pictures wanted to do.

Oh my God, yeah. Yeah, so the movie The Invisible Man was supposed to star Johnny Depp.

Yes, I heard this. Imagine the depth of it all over this movie.

I was like, I can't. I literally can't.

Johnny Depp stepping and being like, I can give the woman's perspective.

Thank you. In fact, I will be playing both roles in tonight's performance.

Oh, it would have been a very different movie.

Very, very different. So many top hats. So many.

So many bracelets. I know. All the bracelets.

It would be like if the members of Tool or like a perfect circle were the Invisible Man.

That would be like Tony Depp as the Invisible Man.

100%. But basically, he was supposed to do that, and then the Mummy reboot came out, and then they basically just had to ditch it all.

Yeah. Yeah. Good plan, honestly. Worked out a lot better.

They were like, bye. It's like that Vine where they're like, fuck that shit, I'm out.

Hop into a trash can and roll away. Like, I'm a split, bye.

That's actually exactly what happened. And then Jason Bloom, I almost said Jay Bloom, came in or Blum.

Blum, I think it is, right? Because it's like Blumhouse.

I think it's like part of Blumhouse. I think it is.

Yeah, I think you're right. Oh, yeah. That totally makes sense.

I'm just trying to put a hat on a hat over here and make it fancier than it is.

I love that. I do that all the time. It's like, it doesn't have an umlaut over it, though.

Like, it's in bloom. I do that with things all the time.

I make them sound way fancier and our listeners are like, yeah, you don't have to do that.

That's not how it's settled. I'm like, okay.

They're like, whatever. We're like, sorry for trying to culture you.

Okay. The thing is, I find that I do that sometimes.

And then when I try to like play it down, that's when I get called out for not doing it.

Like one time I was working at a Yiddish theater and I was working with someone whose name was H-A-N-A.

So I'm like, hey, Hannah. And she's like, it's actually Hannah.

And you're like, well, shit. You're like, I have to do that every time.

But basically, Jason Khanna Bloom picked up the film and then was just like let's do this dance and then called up Lee Whannell who had directed like Insidious 2 and or 3 and then had like acted and written some stuff And Saw.

Yeah, all the Saw movies. Oh yeah, he wrote Saw.

Did you write the first Saw? He sure did.

He did, and he acted in it. Oh, my God.

We won out, guys. A jack of all trades. There's actually a saw Easter egg in The Invisible Man.

There is. Yeah. You can see them. We had to rewind it to find it, but I was like, oh, my God.

The little doll guy. Whatever. The jigsaw doll.

Jigsaw. Mm-hmm. Oh, yeah. I was really hoping that it would be like Lee Whannell coming by on like a little tricycle with a mask on.

That'd be cute. You and me both. You and me both.

I was like, where's Lee? Bring him in here.

Missed opportunity. You're like, please give me a Stan Lee cameo in your own movie, Lee Wan-El.

I mean. Hey, the movie did hit on a lot of other opportunities, though, so maybe The Invisible Man 2 will have more Lee Wan-El in it.

Like, maybe you'll be able to satiate your thirst.

Yes, yes. Not that I'm calling you thirsty.

Ooh, okay, should I backpedal? No way. Lee Wannell.

I'm just going to keep yelling it. We're not easily offended over here.

I'm just going to start yelling Shania Twain.

Yes. We're yelling it into the universe.

We're going to manifest something. I don't know what.

I love it. I was just listening to your episode when you guys were like, you know what?

We're actually just going to impersonate Shania Twain.

We're done here. Yeah, we do a lot of impersonations.

Really, really good impersonations. I love that.

Yeah, Tyler does a spot on Laura Dern and he's been doing it since like day one.

Uh-huh. And she said, we're in the middle of the Laura Dern Renaissance right now.

A Laura Dern-a-sance. Yeah. We also do heavy metal Susan Sarandon, where she's like the front person of a death metal band.

Oh, my God. I love her so much. Which isn't that far off.

I was just going to say, is that a parody, though?

Or is that just like... She's pretty heavy metal, if you ask me.

That's just her. Have you seen Stepmom? Yeah, no, I feel like that's just Susan Sarandon at this point.

And like, here's the thing. We used to start off our episodes with those kind of like impressions, like if anybody ever goes back and is like, I'm going to listen to that spooky from day one.

You're going to notice that like the first like 15 episodes, we were like, we're just going to start with something stupid and whatever.

And I love it. Like I would say 15 episodes of Susan Sarandon impressions later.

And a good big and. Maybe this is turning people away.

I thought Big Ange was with you guys. Big Ange.

Oh, my God. That one was incredible. Well, I mean, Big Ange is always with us.

Otherwise, guys, what can I say? I can't.

And when AJ gets back from Micah, we're going to be a family and we're going to record a podcast tomorrow.

You just conjured her spirit. I'm so upset I'll never get to experience two's gaze at the monkey.

That was her gay night at her bar. She would have Tuesdays, and everybody would just wear wigs and get drunk at Big Angie's Bar.

She was the best. It's exactly like The Invisible Man.

It is. Exactly like it. Well, here's the thing.

If you really want to compare the two, The Invisible Man truly is just about a stunt queen that, like, gaslights his ex.

Yeah. Yeah, absolutely. That's exactly what it is.

The most intricate, wild way possible. Yes.

And you know what's even scarier? We were talking about this.

I could see my ex doing this. Like, while we were watching the movie, I was like, this is really freaking me out.

And I was like, yeah, I was like, I'm actually afraid for you and I'm going to leave your house now.

Bye. I was like, whoa. Well, thankfully optics haven't come so far yet.

Right? Hopefully anyways. Because holy shit.

Yeah, I guess we wouldn't know. That's the tea.

They're not telling you it only exists in like rich people's houses.

I'm just going to walk around like throwing paint into the abyss.

Right? And coffee grounds. If it sticks.

Yeah. Just like Jackson Pollock, that shit.

I love that. Just have a big lasso, you know?

Yes. Whip it around everywhere you go. Eventually I'll be like, I knew it!

So this piece of cinematic Marvel is led fearlessly by Elizabeth Moss, where she plays Cecilia C. Cass.

So we know Elizabeth Moss. We've seen her in Handmaid's Tale.

We've seen her in Mad Men. We've seen her in West Wing, Us, all that kind of stuff.

I heard she's in Girl Interrupted. Oh, she is.

Oh, she is? Oh. I said that as a question.

I just thought of that. She is. I had no idea.

Wikipedia told me earlier today. Do we know who she is in Girl Interrupted?

I can picture her in it. I just can't remember who she plays, but I can like...

That's wild. Well, and she really kills it in this movie.

Like, she does a really great job of being able to access...

I was going to say, like, there are certain points like when she finds out about Adrian's death, all that kind of stuff where you're just like she is a mix of confused. scared, not really trusting the moment, but then also going through like legitimate sadness like she layers on so much shit.

Mm hmm. And it's her face like she can. She was right when she said you can just like eliminate whole paragraphs of dialog because her face is so expressive.

And it's almost scarier with like the lack of dialogue in certain scenes.

You're like, what's going to happen? Oh, yeah, absolutely.

Well, I think she spends about 80 percent of the film with her lip curled back.

Yeah, I'm pretty sure. But I think that's what made the movie so effective as well, is it wasn't a lot of this like it wasn't tied down by exposition.

Like we didn't need to see a build up to the fact that she needed to get out of her relationship and we didn't need to see how this invisible technology really worked where you get that a lot. lot in sci-fi movies where they're just trying to over explain how it's possible.

And this movie just didn't waste its time doing that.

No, and I love that. And I like too that while we were watching it, I remember saying to Ash at one point, I was like, I want to know like how bad he was to her.

For a second, and then I was like, wait a second, like, you don't need to see it.

You don't need to see the abuse. You just believe her.

And it's almost scarier to, like, come up with it.

In your own mind. Yeah, exactly. Because you just see how traumatized she is and how terrified she is even to walk out to the, you know, the mailbox.

Mm-hmm. And it's like, I don't need to see what he did.

You don't need to bog me down with the whole scene of him abusing her.

Like I get it. I believe it. Exactly. Because they're not using it to like drive plot or anything like that.

Yeah. And yeah, I feel like even by the end of it, up until the very last moment, you're left in this position where you're like, regardless.

Do you believe, you know, like we're just kind of left in that question.

I mean, maybe that's a bit ambiguous there, but I just I feel like that notion is carried forward until the very last moment in this movie where you're just like, believe it.

100%. Absolutely. Like this is warranted at the end of the day.

Yeah. And I mean, like props to Oliver Jackson Cohen for playing Adrian Griffin.

He was extremely unlikely. Oh, very unlikable.

Yeah, he was. He did a great job with that.

Between him and, like, the guy who played his brother, who's James Lanier, that's a character, but Michael Dorman, who played Tom Griffin, his brother.

Mm-hmm. who just had the sweetest little eyes, looked like a child actor, but was a complete shit.

I feel like they both just... embody trash in a really believable way in this movie.

They really gave up when they revealed the brother.

I was like, oh, yeah. He gave off very Stevie vibes.

You're like, ew, stay away from me. Totally.

It's like you have puppy dog eyes, but it's like a puppy husky, so they're also kind of dead, you know?

Yeah. 100%. There's a lot to it. Totally.

And Aldous Hodge plays James Lanier, or James Lanier, who's like... sees confidant and like a longtime family friend of her and her sister who we'll talk about in a moment because she's a tree.

Oh my God, her sister. Yeah. And I liked his character, too.

Like, I liked that for once they made it like because I like that they made it like a male friend that she was staying with.

But there was no. No romantic intention ever.

I loved that. And there was never a question of it.

It was never like, will they, won't they?

It was like, no, he's just this good guy that's her friend.

They never do that in movies or TV shows.

I feel like they always throw in like, let's make them, you know, have sex or let's make them have this weird tension to them.

They never did, which I liked. Cause it's like when you're in elementary school and you're friends with somebody of the opposite gender, then all of a sudden you're automatically dating and it's like,

Yeah, exactly. Can we not just be friends?

Exactly. Yeah. Can we just be bros? Like, why is this?

Yeah. Well, yeah, and like, I feel like there was a lot of tension in their relationship, but just none of it had to be sexual, which I think was like a power of the film.

Exactly. It's like they had bigger fish to fry.

Exactly. They did. There was enough tension everywhere else.

We didn't need to add that. 100%. And I know we just hinted at it before, but I just want to take a moment to appreciate Harriet Dyer, who plays Emily Cass, the saucy. sister of Cecilia who gives my favorite line in the whole movie.

I love her. She's incredible. Elena, that would be you.

That's Elena through and through. like standing in the doorway like, I'm not going to tell you how to live your life, boo.

Or I'm not trying to control you, boo. I loved that.

The best. I love her. Yeah, we said that she spoke kind of like a beatnik poet or something, you know?

She does. She really did. It was like all of a sudden her sister, Allen Ginsberg, just rolled in.

I loved it. And she's Australian. She was great.

Is she really? Oh, really? Yeah. This movie was shot in Australia.

Oh, shit. Oh, shit. I did not know that.

I didn't know that. Yeah, and it turns out that she's in a bunch of comedy, too.

When I was looking through her Wikipedia page, I found a project called Sexy Herpes, which definitely got me interested.

OK, girl, I'm sold. I know I'm sold. I was like, boo, I'm following up.

And those are really kind of like the major players in the cast.

We also have Storm Reid, who was in A Wrinkle in Time and Euphoria and 12...

Oh, yeah. And she was great. She was playing Sidney Lanier, who's James's daughter.

Anything to really comment on about the characters beyond that?

Do we have any thoughts and feelings before we get into this breakdown?

No, I think we nailed it. All right, let's stamp this, baby, and move on.

All right, so I guess there's no place to start but the beginning.

So we're starting in the dead of the night.

It's the witching hour, actually. Oh, I wrote that in my notes.

Always. 3.42 a.m., man. Okay, so because of this, did you watch the entire beginning of this movie just waiting for a fucking ghost to pop out?

Yes. Or him to wake up. Yes. Yeah. Right.

Or like when she was looking at the cell phone footage, because like, here's the tea.

If you haven't watched the movie again, I commend you for listening to this.

But then be like she's basically getting up in the middle of the night and leaving her boyfriend. who she has drugged, he's sleeping, she turns the cameras on him, like sneaks out of the house.

So she's like watching her cell phone the whole time.

And as I watched it, like I've been conditioned by paranormal activity to be like the sheets are going to move on their own.

Or he's going to be like drugged by the ankles and pulled out of the room.

Yes, 100%. You're waiting for a jump scare the entire movie, but especially in the beginning.

That's exactly what I thought. But they don't really give it to you.

And I think that's one of the powerful things about the movie, because they use the camera to kind of play with space in this way that almost like It Follows does in a stationary way.

You're always checking the corners of the shots to go like, is someone there or like when the camera moves, it's always very it's always moved for a damn good reason.

So like there's that shot at the beginning where Elizabeth Moss is getting out of the house.

She's creeping out in the dead of night.

She kicks the dog bowl. It doesn't wake him up.

So much anxiety. But then you see her in the kitchen for a moment and then the camera pans off her through a wall into a hallway where you're expecting Elizabeth Moss to be, but then she doesn't come. there and it's almost like paranormal activity style with the camera panning where it comes back to her on the path that it just followed and she's just about to leave the kitchen And they do that a lot throughout this movie.

Yes. That's way more powerful, I think, than having all these jump scares.

Absolutely. But then it also makes me go, is the brother there?

Oh, that's a really good point. Yeah, that's right.

Because there's always a reason for that.

Yeah, that's a good point. It's really the only time that this convention is ever used in an empty way in the movie.

Otherwise, whenever the camera moves, it's to indicate that he's there in some way.

Yep, you're right. So I feel like there probably is a reason for that.

I also think it's like to get you in her kind of like panic mode, like almost like you're waiting for someone like she is. absolutely yeah and I guess it's this whole idea with the brother where we find out in the end that he's been in on this whole plot, maybe he's been on it a lot longer than just the moment in which he left.

Has he always been there? Is he, like, paid staff by Adrian to keep an eye on her?

I never thought about that before. Oh, that's a good point.

I mean, they're in this like giant mansion.

It's like a palatial like Oceanside property.

The coldest mansion. Like very weird setup.

They pull out. I was like, yeah, it's like, is this Elon Musk's Airbnb or something like that?

That's exactly what I thought. I was like, Elon Musk lives there.

Or it's like some Fifty Shades of Grey kind of shit at the beginning.

Like I was watching this being like, this is the house of a man who has had a sky dancer up his butt.

Like, I know it just like let go into it flying.

He is so terrifying. And this this house is so terrifying.

Yeah. Yeah, absolutely. So. Shit goes down there.

And I mean, like gorgeous home. But like it's it's just like so cold.

So like palatial. Like it's just it's like a compound.

Yeah. Yeah. Have you guys seen Sleeping with the Enemy with Julia Roberts?

No. No. this movie is like so similar to that.

And that's like a story of like an abusive husband too.

And they have like a waterfront property.

So it took me right to that movie too. Yeah.

Because it's isolated. It's only one way in, only one way out.

Yep, exactly. Unless you go into the ocean.

Yeah. And I mean, like, that's kind of what we're seeing with Cecilia earlier on, where she's like, well, there's one way out.

He's watching me everywhere. Like we come to find out he's like this optics genius. you know she has him drugged but you know she essentially has to like go and disarm all the cameras and like turn everything off before she can even leave But that's when we first get into his lab and we see all the random suits that are there, which are just like a weird kind of like red herring, because you're like imagining one of them is going to start moving.

Oh, yeah. But you get to kind of like see like his setup and you see this like weird chamber that she kind of eyes for a moment, which kind of tells us like she's not even fully aware of all the stuff that's in her house, which is just like, I'm sorry for you because there could be like a really good sound system that you're just not aware of yet.

Yeah. Like Bluetooth connectivity in every room.

You don't even know this shit, but basically she knows enough to be able to turn off all the cameras and then make her escape, which is when we meet another low key star of the film who I stan, Zup.

Yes. Why couldn't she just bring Zeus? Yes.

I know. She didn't want to leave him. That's the thing, and it's like, she's like out in the carport.

You think that she's about to make it. And then this dog shows up and then, you know, he's just as bound to the fucking land as she is because he's got the shock collar on.

So she decides to take him with her, but then he hits the alarm on the car.

So her whole plan goes to shit. And then suddenly Cecilia is like running across the front lawn trying to get over a fence before the lights start turning on back at the house.

And poor Zeus is just like running around.

Thinking about climbing that wall gave me the most anxiety of the entire movie.

I was like, I just wouldn't be able to do it.

No. You're like taken down by my own upper body strength.

Right? The stress of that whole scene was overwhelming.

Like by the end of it, I was like, yeah, like you're taking a deep breath.

Like she is like, I felt like I was there.

Well, absolutely, because then she makes it out to the road and you kind of breathe a sigh of relief, but still the whole time, it goes really horror movie for a moment where you're suddenly watching the woods and going, he's going to jump out at any moment now.

She gets in the car and you have some sense of reprieve, but then he basically shows up before they get to leave. and, you know, breaks the fucking windows.

So it's like the expectation is met. And that was the scariest thing ever.

I was savage. When he broke the window, I was like, Oh, damn.

Well, and that's interesting because it's really like all the proof that you need as the viewer. were in the movie, it's like as soon as you see him react to her, you know, running away from him like that. and expecting her to come crawling back to him.

It's like, what is his end game? Like, does he think that he's going to break the window of the car and then they're going to stop and go, we see your pain.

You know what, Adrian? Sorry. Miss you.

This won't happen again. Coming back. Because like she gets out to the road.

It turns out that she's like arranged with her sister to come meet her or something like that.

She gets in the car. drops the pills that she drugged him with, and then Adrian shows up.

But then she's free, supposedly. Also, during that whole time, I was like, Emily, calm down.

Just drive the car. Stop asking questions.

Because she's like, what's going on? I know, it's like this is not about Emily right now.

But I feel like the fact that the movie doesn't hit all of this exposition, it makes you wonder because... the relationship between her and her sister Emily seems kind of tense, seems kind of strained.

It seems like maybe... I know when skipping ahead, it gets into that email that she supposedly sent it.

Or sent it. Sent it. It was a scented email.

It was a scented email. It smelled great.

But there was one line that they cut to and it was like, I wish you were dead instead of...

So my mind went to thinking that maybe it was their parents.

So they were they had this kind of like two against the world sort of dynamic.

Well, and you also come to find out a little bit later that they just hadn't been talking for a while, like when they're at James's house a little bit later on.

So there is some obvious strain there. but still not enough to make it be like, Oh, I'm picking you up in the dead of the night as you're escaping your abusive boyfriend's house.

Excuse me. Like, let's fill in the gaps.

She was so quick to accept that that email was written by her sister.

And like she was a cop. she has to know that people can hack into things and do this.

It's like but she was so quick to believe that she wrote all that.

I was like, Yeah, there's a weird dynamic here.

Yeah, there's some shit we didn't see. Yeah, so what has he done in the past?

Because I was thinking of, like, Ash. I was like, if Ash, if I got an email from her like that, I'd be like... who the fuck wrote that?

I was like, can you write that? You're like, that bitch hates confrontation.

Exactly. It's like you would think that she would just like take a moment to be like, OK, well, all this other weird shit's happening.

She's been telling me all this other. wackadoo stuff, maybe I should actually believe in this moment.

But again, no. No. It's Emily's world and we just exist in it.

Door slam. So like Emily gets her tinted windows punched out.

Cecilia's dropped the pills. Adrian's left in the middle of the road like Leatherface at the end of Texas Chainsaw Massacre.

That's all I can think of too. I wrote that down too.

It's like wielding the chainsaw. Oh, my God.

Yeah. Yeah. And that's kind of where we leave that whole scenario.

And she's gotten away. pick up two weeks later at her friend James's house, who we come to find out is like a family friend.

And she's been living with him and his daughter.

And again, not leaning into the exposition.

We don't know if he's you know, how he became a single parent, what exactly that story is.

But we just kind of fall into this dynamic.

And it turns out that Elizabeth Moss is like or Cecilia is like super scared of, you know, going out like Q Because of You by Kelly Clarkson. she's like too afraid to go and get the mail a jogger coming by scares her before she can get out to the box which like I don't fucking blame you if you've got somebody who's like this abusive to you.

Like, yeah, I'm not making light of abuse here, but like.

She's she's obviously freaked out and then she's googling articles about being watched and blotting out her webcam lens and all this kind of stuff and it's like it's Paranoia City Yeah, absolutely.

Because she knows that he was an optics genius.

So it's like anything is fair game for him.

Totally. And well, the thing is, when I started out this movie, I was at first like optics.

I thought that was just like light and lenses and stuff like that.

Like I didn't realize that encompassed all that it truly encompassed I didn't either yeah because at first I just thought they were like blinding us with science and they're like he works in optics you know it's like somebody walking in and be like damn contracts that you know at the end of the day yep Yeah, I guess I was reading a bit about optics and I guess one of the real world things that they're trying to use optics for is to redirect earthquakes.

Oh, no way. I have no idea how that works, but they're apparently able to manipulate like the vibrations something I can't even begin to explain it, but that's something they are considering to be a reality someday is they'll be able to like diverge those things away from like cities and places where people live.

It's crazy. That's so cool. That's awesome.

That's brilliant. I wonder if they'd be able to will people to come to my birthday.

With the optics. Thank you, Elon Musk. So they're at the house.

Everything is, I'm not going to say everything's cool.

Everything's not really cool. But then Emily arrives.

No. And again, it's Emily's world. So she comes in and Cecilia is kind of like shutting her She doesn't really want to hear it.

She's like, I told you not to come find me.

And Emily is just kind of like. Okay. And then we get the best line of the movie, which is, well, I'm not trying to control you, boo, but I'm here to tell you.

He's dead. And she's like, boom, read this.

He's dead. I love it. I could hear this line coming out of Tori Spelling's mouth and believe it just as much.

Such a power move. But we're, like, back at the house.

You know, Emily is just like, well, honey, I'm not going anywhere, is doing, like, Z snaps in the air, basically.

And then we come to find out that Adrian has allegedly committed suicide. allegedly and this is when Elizabeth Moss like really shows us about six different emotions at the same time like she goes on like a journey.

And like you come to find out as they're like sitting around the table that they haven't spoken in a while.

And then you this is kind of where Elizabeth Moss is finally explaining to people exactly how controlling and horrible Adrian truly was to her.

Yeah. And in a short period of time, too, like they make it because I think they say they met in like 2017 or something.

Right. So it seems like it was a very small period of time that he got really abusive really fast.

Yeah. And she said that he like controlled what she wore and what she ate, what she said, where she went.

He was physically abusive and ultimately he wanted a baby, which is kind of what drove her away. yeah and we find out that she's been secretly taking birth control and you know she just realized that she couldn't live up to that facade for too long and then that's kind of what led us to these events that we're in right now.

Yeah, absolutely. But this does lead Elizabeth Moss to finally feel empowered enough as a person to go out and get the Fucking mail.

Yeah, she does. She gets that mail and slams it right on that table. which is then when she gets the mail, the letter that she's got all this money coming to her. oh yeah yeah yeah which is so scary though because you're like how did they know she was there yeah Exactly.

Well, that's kind of the thing. And then it's also just like in this moment where you get really excited for Elizabeth Moss's character.

But then at the same time, you're just like, Oh, well, this is just another form of control that he's exerting over her.

Oh, yeah. Hugely. Definitely. And we also if they're not married, then she's not necessarily entitled to any of the money that he has.

And so why is she being given this money?

Exactly. It's all another form of control.

Yeah, it just feels really gross. She like sits down at the table.

She looks at this letter. You know, she goes, I've got to go to this meeting.

And the next thing we know, we meet the brother.

And we're in like an office building, some high rise at a table.

She's there with her sister who's kind of acting as her representative.

And he is reading this letter from Adrian, which is essentially reading Cecilia to dog shit and being like, all of this is your fault.

Yeah. And even though I'm giving you this money, I need to let you know how horrible you are, victim of abuse.

And he's like, so enjoy, bitch. Essentially.

And then we're like going through it. It's a really awkward meeting.

They kind of shut this shit down right away. and they're discussing like the logistics of this.

So basically, Cecilia is going to get $5 million It's going to be dispersed to her, I think, $100,000 a month for, you know, a few years or something like that, which is a really great deal.

I mean, that's enough to kind of get anybody excited.

Yeah, definitely. I'm into it. But it's under the stipulation that she's of sound mind.

She doesn't commit a crime, any of that kind of stuff. and uh you still don't fully understand why she's getting this money like you can tell like at this point elizabeth moss's character is like really excited but she's also just a mix of like when is the other shoe gonna drop here and you see the urn in this room where Adrian is which I think is really weird as it is because it's like we're in a business meeting right now and that urn just I know isn't sitting there so it's like yeah Did you put him there to be at the meeting?

Like, whose dog is in that urn? I want to know.

Exactly. Well, and it's almost like to, like, look, he's dead.

Yeah. Like trying to prove it. And also just trying to prove like I think he kind of knows that she wouldn't look in the urn.

Yeah. Nobody's going to cross that line and be like, oh, well, let's fucking see.

Let me see his cremated ashes. Exactly. She's like, I want to taste them to know.

She's like getting a fun dip out of her back pocket.

She's like, I'm running out of shit. That reminds me of that episode.

I think it was an episode of My Strange Addiction where there was a woman who was addicted to eating her husband's ashes.

I forgot about that. You're right. Yeah, and she was getting a lot of anxiety over the fact that they were almost gone, and she didn't know what she was going to do once she's eaten them.

You gotta go kill a man and eat his ashes.

That's, like, really sad. Yeah, and then you had to watch his family watch her eat the ashes.

So fucked. What a way to cement yourself as the worst in-law ever.

Yes. Yep, seriously. It's like just slowly sitting there, like looking them in the eyes, dipping your hand in the ashes, licking your hand.

Just cannibalizing their family members.

You're like, he's really mine now. Exactly.

Yeah, it's wild. It really is. And I mean, speaking of wild now, like Cecilia is walking out of this meeting, not only with, you know, confirmation. of, you know, all this shit, but, you know, with quite a full bank account.

She sure is. She is flush for cash. She is back at home and she is playing Santa.

She's giving out gifts. Yeah, she's like sugar mama style.

Like, you want a ladder, baby? I'll give you a ladder. bank account with $10,000 a month to go to Parsons School, James's daughter, Sydney, you got that.

Like, I want a sugar childhood best friend.

Right? Right. I was like, where's my Cecilia?

There's also really, I think, sweet scene to see so that we could see that other side of her.

Yeah. because we didn't really get that.

And you could see like what a joyful person she can be when she's not terrified.

Yeah. When she's not completely under Adrian's thumb.

Yeah, and you kind of see her being like dorky and fun and like bringing out the bottle of champagne and, you know, kind of like fooling around.

Yeah. I mean, it's just like a really good time.

I mean, it's her opening. I think it like further shows you to how much he like broke her down as a person.

Absolutely. Because when you first meet her, she's just so traumatized and so like in this this one spot of just like being on alert, being terrified.

And then you get to see this and you're like, holy shit, he really did a number on her.

Well, you also have come to like find out about her.

Like she's like wearing like a cowl poly like architecture hoodie at the top of it.

Yeah. There's a lot of indication here that like Elizabeth Moss up to this point has lived a very full life.

Yes. Like I think she mentions that she was like living in Paris or something like that or like somewhere out in Europe.

Yeah, I think that's like where they met or something like that.

Mm hmm. Yeah. So we're seeing a glimmer of like who she is.

Like, you know, after like all of this time of being with him, you know, I kind of tamping her down under his thumb.

So it's nice. Yeah. And she's starting to feel more human and she's like occupying space in the house a little bit more.

She's making breakfast the next morning.

Yes. Actually, I'm jumping the gun because before she's making breakfast, she's in her room that night.

And this is when we start to get the sense of like, oh, fuck, he's there.

Like there's something going on. She's in the room.

Her room looks like. a studio apartment, but we're led to believe that it's a room.

Like it's got like a bathroom coming off of it.

Like it's very sweet. but essentially she's in there, she's putting her stuff away, she's feeling comfortable and she's nesting.

Yeah. Like, that's the key. Mm-hmm. And in this moment of comfort, you start to hear these weird sounds in the background and she hears breathing that's like disembodied.

And it suddenly plays into this idea of like, oh, something isn't as it seems.

Mm hmm. Mm hmm. And in that scene, I was like trying my I kept saying that I was like, something's there.

I got to see. I got to see. I was like staring at the screen trying to find anything out of place.

Definitely. And that was kind of the fun thing about the movie, too, because, I mean, we're coming into it.

It's the Invisible Man. We have a sense of what's going to happen.

Mm-hmm. So it really does play with your expectations and you're looking for all those little clues.

Exactly. I didn't notice it. until the second watch.

But when she is making breakfast, I think like the next day, you actually see the knife like disappear.

Yep. I didn't notice it the first watch.

I had to watch it again, and I was like, oh shit, because you had told me.

It almost looks like it fell off the counter, but you never hear it drop to the floor.

Mm-hmm. Totally. And then you can also hear, like, the burner being turned up.

Like, you can hear the gas being let in.

So, like, it's just very delicate stuff that they're doing.

But it, like, really... sets the mood. It is, and you know who does that?

Leigh Whannell. There she is. Lee Wan-El, master of setting a mood.

He does. He's like riding around on his tricycle with a boombox playing like Luther Vandross, just set mood. everywhere he goes.

He is, he's a master. Lee Wall and Ellen all over the place.

He's got enough money not to worry. Yeah, no.

We got to tag him in this episode. Really?

Right? Can we start the fan club right here?

Yes. Maybe that's what we call this episode.

It's not like spooky morbid. It's like. Lee 1L.

That's it. Just Lee 1L. I love that. I love it.

Leo Parnell doesn't make an appearance in this movie, does he?

Unfortunately, no. I don't think so. I don't think so.

I feel like I would have seen unless I don't know.

They focus so much on the guy that goes by in the hospital just jumping ahead a little bit.

Mm hmm. When Cecilia ends up in the hospital and a guy is rolled by her, they make so much of an effort to focus in on that guy.

They do. Oh, with the bandages. I wonder if that was him.

It could have been. Well, I think they do this. in other parts of the movie, too, where they put these little Easter eggs.

So if you've watched The Invisible Man, you get these kind of images.

Like you get that moment in the hospital with the bandage, covered body, where it like looks like the original interpretation of Invisible Man.

And then in the bedroom, to skip ahead as well, you got like the top hat and the coat on.

Yes. Yeah, on the Cobra or whatever. So you kind of get that silhouette of the invisible man in the dark room.

You're right. like, in the bed as well.

So, I mean, like, Lee Wannell, I mean, you're giving me the vapors over here.

Right? Lee Wannell. It's like paying homage to the original.

Lee knows how to do it, man. He does. I absolutely appreciate that.

Although I will say, if I had to suggest one thing to Leigh Whannell for this movie, it would be that there just aren't enough pranks in it.

You know what I mean? Like, I feel like the Invisible Man could have done a lot more to fuck with people on the toilet.

Absolutely. Because that's what I would do.

Yeah. Yeah. And I'm like, am I a freak for thinking that?

No way. No. Okay, good. I'm glad because I would be like saran wrapping people's toilet bowls and stuff like that.

Oh, yes. I mean, if you're looking for the prankster route into the invisible person story, you need to watch Invisible Mom and Invisible Dad and Invisible Dog.

That's true. That is very true. Yeah, I think they're available on YouTube, actually.

Probably. Yeah. Nobody's copyrighting that stuff.

Oh, hell no. COVID activities. They're like those kind of movies that everybody just use pseudonyms in.

Yes. Exactly. That's like Fart the Movie.

Have you ever heard of that? No. Oh my God, no, but I'm so glad I have now.

Amazing. And it's just about this guy that loves farts and his girlfriend thinks that he's stupid.

And he's like, oh no, farts are hilarious.

And then he takes a nap. And he dreams about like being in a world where everybody thinks that farts are like the funniest thing in the world.

And it was such a bad movie that like not a single person that was in it used their real name.

That is amazing. That that exists just makes me happy.

I gotta watch that. Just fart the movie.

Just fart the movie. Knowing that it's out there.

Yeah. And this is like in the analog days.

So it's like there were multiple people involved.

Like this just wasn't like somebody like sitting at home on their iPhone.

I love that. But I mean, to get back into like the invisible man, like they're basically in this world now. now where Elizabeth Moss is just starting to get these hints piling up all around her that she is in fact being watched.

I mean, like, She had that thing in the bedroom.

The next morning, she is in the kitchen.

Everything's good. The knife disappears.

The burner gets turned up so that a fire fire is started on the fucking stove, which Elizabeth Moss has no idea how to put out.

And thank God we have Sydney there, the 16 year old to not throw water on a Which I totally would have done.

I feel you, Elizabeth Moss. I feel like it would be your natural instinct is like, oh, fire, water.

Mm hmm. Let's put it out with water. And then we burn down the house.

And that's how my house will get burned down.

I also feel like. It's a great moment for James Wannell, because he's always thinking of us, to kind of be Like, you know what?

Elizabeth Moss's character is right for like 97% of this movie.

Let's have her make one wrong. Yeah, true.

Like it made her more human. Humanizer. Yep.

Exactly. I appreciate her in that way. And then basically we're just like following Elizabeth Moss's life. you know, as clues are starting to stack up.

So the next shots are at night and this is when it really starts to get like conjuring levels.

Yeah, so scary. because she wakes up in the middle of the night to footsteps all around the house.

She's in like her own private room. And then basically she goes out to follow these footsteps and, you know, these sounds that she's hearing throughout the home And in everyone's worst fear, she's in like the living room, open concept kitchen, whatever.

She has her back turned to, you know, the front window and the door.

And then all of a sudden over her shoulder, that fucking door just opens on its own.

Terrifying. Absolutely terrifying. Oh, and it was so built up to.

Mm hmm. Mm hmm. Absolutely. And then she goes out there and like tries to like figure out what's going on.

And then you get the shot of her just like sitting out there looking at the neighborhood and you think, you know, like, okay, she doesn't see anyone.

She's in the clear. And then the breath be, Yes, that was like chef's kiss perfection.

It was so spooky. And I think that's what they did so well with this movie.

It takes those aspects of a horror film, paranormal haunting but then like centers it in like the real world so it's like a mix of paranormal, but then it's kind of found it in like true crime if you were to kind of create them with those sort of categories. because exactly what you're saying like it's like it's ghostly but it's a real man you know i mean so it's like it gives you both of those like like this is not Not okay either.

You're like, this is too real. Too real.

Every sound I hear is the invisible man.

Well, and it's cool, too, because the Invisible Man kind of always existed in this like world, because like when I think of horror, I always think of like pre-Vietnam horror in a lot of ways is like very gothic, very, you know, like otherworldly.

And then after kind of Nam and that whole moment in the seventies, we start to get like the last house on the left and the slasher movie.

And suddenly the the scary person is no longer this like gothic idea of a monster, but it's the person next to you or the person down the road.

Exactly. And I feel like, you know, the Invisible Man always kind of existed as a real world person up to devious things using mystical means. in this like kind of more Gothic era.

And it's kind of cool to see that character moved in to the current day and still And not still, but actually become that kind of handshake between these like more paranormal, spooky stories and these real world monsters that we all know in our everyday lives. so true because it's because he's using instead of like magical, mystical means to do this.

It's like he's using technology and science.

So it's like, It's all melding together to still make this spooky as fuck like ghostly image.

Right. Yeah. And he's using like science and human logic to gaslight somebody and just strike fear in them that way, which is, you know, super powerful and just fuck.

Exactly. So after this moment outside, we come back in the house.

Cecilia is thoroughly scared and she goes in bed with Cindy.

Sydney. And this is when shit just pops off even more.

Oh yeah. Because you see them like peacefully in bed together.

They're under the covers sleeping. It's all good.

And then you start to see these flashes, which at first you're like, is somebody turning the lights on in the room?

But oh, no, honey, the invisible man. is there as a floating cell phone at the foot of her bed taking photos of her.

That's insane. The first time I watched this, I actually didn't even notice the flashes.

I don't know if I like looked away or something.

And then the second time I was like, oh, shit.

Absolutely. And like, that's the thing. So that's not enough to wake her up.

So then she's just like laying there. And you kind of you have this moment where you're like, is he wearing the top hat and jacket?

Because this is the moment where you see like the silhouette at the foot of the bed.

You know, they're doing this thing that a lot of horror movies do where you're in like a pitch black scene and they're slowly introducing a little bit more light to kind of like Make it seem like your eyes are addressed into the dark.

Yeah, like how it feels to wake up. Yeah.

So you go from like being like utterly confused to then trying to find a form in the darkness, which causes all of this anxiety.

And Elizabeth Moss gets out of bed. She's trying to figure out what's going on.

She's got a blanket in her hand and throws it on a chair.

And you think she's about to catch the Invisible Man, but no, honey.

No psych. Fooled me. I thought we were going to get a paranormal activity moment.

Mm-hmm. Absolutely. But also, if I were pulling that shit on somebody, this would not be my moment to lounge.

Oh, no, definitely not. Definitely not. Too predictable.

And it also makes you go like, wouldn't you hear the chair squeak?

Yeah, that's true. Mm hmm. Like Tyler was reading something somewhere and like, I don't think this takes the piss out of things, but there was something about shadows, right?

Oh, yeah. I was saying if this invisible suit was possible, which is why I appreciate the movie doesn't go into this kind of like exposition.

Yeah. But if an invisible suit was possible, it would be able to reflect the world around it, but it wouldn't be able to eliminate shadow.

Oh, I didn't even think of that. That's good to know for my fears at night.

Yeah, that's a good point. Yeah. We do what we can.

We truly do. But then here's the thing.

Like she's in the room. She throws the blanket.

He is not caught in said blanket. So she's like, all right, well, I'm going to go back to bed. on her way there, guess who's stepping on the blanket now in the moment? where she can like very clearly tell that he's like on the other end of the blanket, pinning it behind her.

She kind of like pauses and I'm like, this is the moment where you throw that blanket up.

Because this is your confirmation. But it doesn't really go there.

She essentially just watches the footsteps come toward her.

She then calls out for James and he comes into the room and is basically just like...

I feel like he's in this position where he's like trying to believe his friend.

But then at the same time, he's not trying to scare the shit out of his daughter.

Yeah, he's in a bad position. So he's just like, stop letting this asshole haunt you to this very day.

Absolutely. He's in a bad, he's like caught between a rock and a hard place with that one.

Yeah. Because he doesn't want to dismiss her like paranoia.

He doesn't want to just be like, well, you're crazy.

So let's move on. Like he's. He probably knows, you know, she's been a victim of abuse.

Let's try to delicately go about this and like not say that this sounds crazy.

But at the same time, he's trying not to be like, yeah, your ex is probably back from the dead and silently haunting you to like right in front of his daughter.

Mm-hmm. Right? Yeah. And I love that moment with the pepper spray where she had it out.

Yes. And he was like, what are you doing?

He's like, what are you doing with that?

And she's like, you gave it to me. And he's like, not for this.

He's like, not for invisible people. This makes no sense.

Yeah. That's kind of the thing. It's like we cover like some spooky shit on our podcast.

And every now and then somebody will be haunted and they try to shoot a ghost.

And it's like, yeah, that's not going to work, sis.

Do you have ghost bullets? What's happening here?

Yeah, it doesn't work that way. Sorry. But then basically...

You know, James just kind of comes in. He's like, sorry, Cecilia, don't know what to tell you.

It looks like the Invisible Man has noped the fuck out of there.

And they go back to sleep with no other occurrences that night, we believe.

But the next time we jump into Cecilia's life, she's at a job interview.

And this doesn't go so well. So she's there with like this guy interviewing her.

She's at some architecture firm. It's like really hip, really cool.

He's like a $2 Ryan Gosling. Sure is. Call him Brian Gosling.

He's also super creepy during the whole interview.

You're like, are you okay? Very. Like, are you sure you want to work here, C?

Absolutely. He's like Steven Gosling. Yeah, don't do it.

He's like John Gosling. Yeah, he really is.

But, like, that's the thing. So it's like Ryan Gosling is just kind of... sitting there interviewing her, you think everything's okay, and then she goes to pull out her portfolio and nothing's there. everybody's worst nightmare like aside from having no pants on when you look down yeah absolutely And you know, he's pretty understanding about it.

He was just kind of like, well, you can email it to us afterward, all that kind of stuff.

But then it gets further complicated when Cecilia just starts zoning out. out of nowhere, kind of in a That's So Raven moment at first.

And then you're like, no, something's really wrong.

And then she passes out on the floor. Which is like, what a way to like really come off looking like a mess at your job interview.

Yeah. Like you really didn't nail this one, Cecilia.

Yeah, I mean, like if this were any different circumstance, I would say if you like forgot your homework and passed out at the job interview, you're probably not going to get it.

Yeah, you're not getting called back for a second.

But I'm not blaming Cecilia in this moment.

Yeah, exactly. Because we come to find out like when she gets home in the next shot, she gets a call from the hospital explaining exactly what the deal is.

And this is when it's discovered that she has been drugged with exactly she had drugged Adrian with.

And as she's getting the call from the hospital, she's in the washroom, like brushing her teeth or whatever. turns around and that bottle of pills that she dropped as she was getting away from Adrian at the top of the movie is now sitting there on the counter staring her in the face.

With the blood smear on it and everything.

Mm hmm. Just fucked. And here's the thing.

It's like. my mind automatically went, how does Adrian know that she's getting this phone call to like set up this dramatic moment?

Like, this is how you know he's a stunt queen.

Because, like, he's coordinating this shit with phone calls.

I don't know. And, like, my other question at this point is, like, okay, Adrian is essentially, like... stalking her in this invisible suit, does body odor come into play at all?

Like, how do you get that close to somebody and have them not smell you?

That's a very good point, especially when it's like a second skin suit.

It's going to be some fun. It doesn't breathe.

And it's like latex. Maybe it's. Maybe it's like that fart underwear that just like locks in the smell.

So then when he takes it off at the end of the day, it just unleashes this like cloud of stank.

And it's like feeding his anger. That's why he needs that big open house so he can just take it off and run through the house.

Absolutely. We've answered all the questions.

Yep. Did you guys hear... He just loves to air out after a shower.

At the end too, like on the phone call, you can hear... the woman on the other line say, and I also wanted to talk to you about, and then it totally goes blank, but it's like foreshadowing for what happens later.

Oh. Right, because they would have known she was pregnant.

I caught that today. I hadn't caught it the first two times I watched it.

I totally didn't catch that. I feel like every time you watch this, you're like, oh shit, that.

Yeah, definitely. There's definitely. Definitely been moments upon rewatching it and then you try to like break it down and be like, oh, well, maybe this doesn't make sense.

But then when you think about it, everything lines up.

Yeah. Like even the things that seem a bit shaky plot wise, there's always something that like can kind of speak for why that happened.

It like explains it away. Yeah, so smart.

I got two words for you. Lee 1L. There it is.

There it is. And you know what? Not to over-talk up Lee Wan-El, but like the Saw film, like the first Saw film.

And when like he stands up at the end, you're like, what the fuck?

And then you're like, that doesn't make sense.

But then you go through the whole thing and you're like, all of that makes sense.

Like he's a master at like those little things.

Because I remember watching that and being like, nope, nope.

And then watching it again and being like, shit, yes.

And you're like, all of it makes sense. Mm-hmm.

Yeah, absolutely. She's brilliant. Like he gives us a lot of moments where you're just like doing that thing where your arms are just like it looks like you're looking for a table to flip.

Yes, absolutely it does. Such a good quality in a movie.

So like smell a vision aside, we now know that, you know, he's like, super fucking with her.

He's drugging her right back. And like Cecilia is just like, well, Only one thing to do about this.

Let's go see his weirdly cute... I'm not weirdly cute.

Oh, I'm going back on that one. His brother...

Right. He's going to see his brother. His kid brother.

The one with the dead eyes. Yeah. Yeah. The adult child actor.

He's a ventriloquist dummy, that's what it is.

He looks like the ventriloquist dummy from Goosebumps.

Nailed it. Absolutely nailed it. Wow. Shit.

I can't unsee that now. I was just having a moment where I was like, what is this image I'm trying to parse out in my head?

And it's like, that's it. And the weird thing is he also is like a ventriloquist dummy.

He literally is. Wow. That was symbolic.

He's Adrian's little puppet. He is. Mm-hmm.

Man. Thank you, R.L. Stine. Oh, R.L. Stine.

Like now we're back with a brother and she is basically just like, listen here, you child actor.

I know that your brother is fucking with me.

I don't know how she's like Laganja Estranja in season six, Untucked of RuPaul's Drag Race.

She's like, Adora Delano, I know you were coming for me.

I don't know exactly how or when you came for me, but I just feel like you did.

Wow. It's one of those situations. It really works.

And then basically she's just like, Look, I remember when he was still around, I was sitting there not saying a damn word to him.

And then suddenly he's repeating my thoughts back to me.

She had been like she says to the brother, like she's like, I know this has to be something because I was sitting there one day thinking about leaving him.

And he's just like, Hey, if you ever try to leave me, I will always find you.

And someday I will just walk up to you without you even realizing I'm there and give you a sign.

Which is exactly what he just fucking did.

Yeah, exactly. So basically, she's just like, this is the reality.

And then the brother is just again. like giving big Emily energy.

He's just like, well, sorry, boo. Let me tell you, I hate my brother just as much as you hate my brother.

And then they start just enjoying the crime scene photos together for a moment.

Because who wouldn't? Exactly. I'd be like, all right, let's take a look now.

Yeah, he's just sitting there in like a random potentially rented office with his brother's ashes and the crime scene photos of a suicide.

Exactly. The very gruesome crime scene photos.

Just like casually in his top desk drawer.

Yeah. Because it's just what people do.

If you have a loved one who's been brutally murdered, you just, you know, you like to have those crime scene photos on hand.

You gotta. I told you he's got husky eyes, he's dead.

When you need to calm their former spouse, you're like, you know what?

Take a look at this. It'll make you feel better.

I got this on deck for you. It can always be worse.

Yeah. At least you're not Adrian. He just like turns on family portrait by pink in the background.

He's like, let's look at some pictures. Let's have a journey together through these.

I know. I really feel like I'm just creating a new soundtrack for this week.

You really are. I'm really wondering why Everywhere to Meet by Michelle Branch wasn't included at any point.

Oh, my God. I know. I'm here for your version of the music.

You need to rewrite this. Or Invisible by Clay Aiken.

Oh, my God. Invisible Man, the musical. There you go.

We have a lot of projects to work on. Oh, my God.

Or that 98 Degrees song where they're like, baby, to you, all I am is the invisible man.

Oh, my God. I forgot that existed. Shit.

Wow, you're bringing it back. We have a lot on our agenda, everyone.

We really do. What if Nick Lachey were the invisible man?

Nick Lachey is the invisible man. I wish he was invisible.

It's like Nick and Jessica newlyweds, but the invisible man.

They could like. redo this in quarantine on Zoom.

I would love this. We rewatched a little bit of Newlyweds recently because we just randomly wanted to.

And holy shit. That is the bleakest show you will ever watch.

I used to think it was so lighthearted and funny.

You watch it now and you're like, wow, this is depressing as shit.

Like this is an abuse. Like y'all hated each other from day one.

He was so mean. Yeah. It's like, wow, you absolutely have no respect for your spouse.

That episode where he's picking bedsheets stands out so much to me in my memory.

It is infuriating. You watch it and you're like, wow, this is not enjoyable at all.

No. You're like, I feel like I should not be watching this.

Yeah, I shouldn't be seeing these moments.

Too intimate. That's kind of like early reality TV for you.

I mean, like, because that's around the same time that we had Britney and Kevin Chaotic.

Oh, my God. That's true. Yeah, they were just trying to figure shit out.

Yeah. Yeah, they really pushed the boundaries with early reality TV show.

I remember there was one where they would get people to do a lie detector test in front of a live audience. audience in front of their spouse and just get interrogated for money.

I remember that. There was one that we just found out about called Kid Nation where they took like 40 kids under the age of 15, put them out in like a Wild West village and had them build a society Lord of the Flies style.

I remember watching that as a kid. It's on YouTube.

Oh, my God. I need to rewatch that. That's so bleak.

That was a moment in time. This is very dark.

This is like a quarantine podcast series waiting to happen.

It really is. It's like a watch line to Kid Nation.

Wow, that's dark. Yeah. That's dark. That's newlyweds dark.

You're like imagining that at the end, it truly turns out like Lord of the Flies.

And there's like one kid just piggied under a rock.

They're all hallucinating that somebody's come to save them.

But it's actually, like, Mark Burnett and, like, a reality crew.

Oh, my God, yes. Oh, well, speaking of gaslighting, actually, that actually kind of leads us perfectly back into where it really does, because at this point, after the little meeting with, you know, the husky eyed ventriloquist dummy brother,

We then go back to I'm not going to check you boo Emily's house.

And she is not happy about these emails.

Because now we discover that somebody has hacked Cecilia's email account and is sending incendiary emails to the people that she loves.

Mm-hmm. She is displeased. Mm hmm. Mm hmm.

And this is the moment in the film where I finally noticed that Emily has chunky Kelly Clarkson.

They're real bad. As a hairstylist, they made my stomach turn.

It's true. Ash was like, dear God. It's like they were... trying to make her as unlikable as possible at times.

Because she gets really unlikable a little bit more later on.

But this is the point where you're just like, well, you don't believe your sister because she's like, I didn't write these emails, dude.

And she's like, well, sorry, boo, you did.

And basically, it turns out that like in this email, Cecilia is called her suffocating.

But all tea, Emily seems kind of suffocating.

It's true. It's true. She really does at times.

She's like weirdly likable sometimes and then like super hateable other times.

Yeah. Yeah, like nobody deserves this, but it's like, well, I mean, maybe take the criticism.

Yeah. And then at the end of the day, she's basically just like, Cecilia, you need medication.

Get off my doorstep. Closes the door in her face.

And then Cecilia goes back home and confirms that, yes, this email was sent from her computer at 6 a.m.

And she just breaks down into tears. That's so sad.

Well, and her sister was so mean to her.

She's like, if you're too stupid to realize who the good guys are and too weak to get away from them, then that's on you.

You're like... A little harsh, Scratch.

A little harsh. You got to reel it in. Especially to like a victim of abuse.

Yeah. She was not understanding. Yeah, not understanding at all.

And in this world of like internets. spam and stuff like it's just totally believable that somebody would hack an email and send terrible emails to people in your contact list.

Yeah, if anything, you just got confirmation that Adrian's brother is extremely unlikable.

So, like, even if you don't believe that Adrian is not dead, you might be able to believe that it was the daughter. definitely like do you really think Cecilia said all of that to you like let's take a look at Cecilia I don't think she wrote that to you No, and you just like majorly helped her out.

It's like I don't think given the character we've seen so far that she would be like turning on the people that have helped her like that.

No way. But this is what he does. And she even says it in the movie.

It's like he does this shit to isolate me.

Which is like classic abuse. Because we also don't know what he's maybe done to Emily behind Cecilia's back that Cecilia is unaware of to make her react that way.

Yeah, that's true. Absolutely. Yeah, because then we come back to the house and like Cecilia, like I was saying, confirmed the email is in a ball crying.

And this is when Sydney, James's daughter, comes up.

And I was like, hey, maybe we can like do a girls night, eat some cake.

It'll be cute. And as she's going to help Cecilia off the floor, this invisible hand slaps her across the face. further gaslighting Cecilia and making it seem like basically Sydney right away, like didn't have enough time to react.

So she just assumes that Cecilia And then suddenly the thing to deal with is, you know, James removing Sydney from the home.

And, you know, just being like, Cecilia, get your shit together or get like, I don't know what to do with you right now.

And it's terrifying because this is when she says, like, this is exactly what he does, like he does it to isolate me.

And then they literally just leave her home alone.

And like, you know, at this point, it's like she's home alone. with this motherfucker so she basically goes full I know what you did last summer and starts being like what do you waiting like come out here man and fuck yeah standing in front of the truck full of crabs Absolutely.

She's just like pulling more and more crabs out, throwing them on the floor to create like a trail for him to break.

I wish that she had done that because ultimately she ends up like wasting the house's coffee.

We were real mad at that. Not the best move.

I was like, they're already mad at you. Maybe don't waste all their coffee and throw it on the floor.

And then paint later. Exactly. It's like if anything out, brew yourself a cup right now because you're going to be up all night.

And also like there are just better things to waste.

Exactly. Yeah. Flour. Yeah. Plenty of things.

Yeah, flour would have been a great option.

Yeah. Anything else? crabs all over the floor.

That's how we're rewriting it in the musical.

It will be crabs. Yes. That'll be perfect.

And then, like, we'll have stagehands offstage just throwing more and more crabs onstage as you go.

Yes, yeah. Beautiful. We're going to need at least like five crab wranglers.

Mm hmm. Mm hmm. Oh, I can't wait to get sued by like four drag queens and a stage full of crabs.

Yes. What else does anyone need? Really?

Like move over to humanity. Vegas, here we go.

So basically, Sid or not Sidney, Cecilia is alone at the house.

The floor is covered in the good coffee.

And she is just standing there being like, coming at me.

And she decides to pull out her cell phone and call that motherfucker's phone.

And of course, you start to hear the vibration up in the attic.

I would piss myself in that moment. I'd run out of the house.

I would not be going anywhere near that fucking attic.

Like, bad bitch alert. Cecilia. Exactly.

So like, honey, the calls are coming from inside the house.

So now you got to tiptoe over that Nescafe that you just fortified the house with.

And yeah, like you basically she ends up going up to the attic to figure out what's going on.

So good thing that you just bought that ladder.

That's foreshadowing. Am I right? But not really, because she's going to waste that motherfucker real soon.

We'll talk about that. So Cecilia's up in the attic and then this is when it's almost like in a horror movie when a house is haunted and they look in the walls and they're like, oh, this is the photo of the little girl in the white dress.

This is her hair locket. And this was her journal.

We found everything. Exactly. It's just all conveniently placed in one corner of the attic.

At this moment, you're kind of like, is he sleeping in the attic or did he just like... create like a little installation for her to like experience.

I think it was an installation. Very deep, very artsy.

I think so. I vote that. And like basically she comes up to it and it's like a phone, a knife that's in a bag.

It's the one that went missing from the kitchen.

So this is a perfect moment for her to grab it and examine it and get her fingerprints all over it.

Absolutely. And she also has all of her architecture stuff that was like missing from her portfolio.

So it's like further confirmation that like, yes, everything is actually happening to you.

And now you're up in the attic. And this is the moment where, again, we go back to the conjuring and I'm just like, get out of the attic.

You are trapped up there with this person.

Immediately get out of the attic. Yeah.

And so she goes to like make her way out, but then she kind of discovers that she's not alone.

So she's getting a weird feeling and then you see her kind of like looking over the edge to get out of the attic.

And, you know, you don't see anyone. You think she's in the clear.

And then she grabs a bucket of white paint and dumps it down the attic hole. onto the hardwood floors, onto the new ladder that she just bought her friend, which she's not going to be able to afford later.

So you really just did that. I guess it's not a story about a ladder.

I'm just like really fixated on that shit.

But then she also happens to get paint, you know, all over the invisible person that's stalking her.

That was an amazing moment when you finally get to see the form really quick.

And he's so mad. It's so satisfying. Oh, and the thing is, you know that like she knows that she's up there because she's looking at the phone and the text comes in that says surprise.

Right. Which is like a little bit of a game that he's playing with her throughout this movie where like this is kind of I think this may be the first instance of it, but he ends up like dropping surprise. like to kind of indicate his presence every moment.

So this is like a big moment of that. That's kind of where it starts, I think.

Mm hmm. So, you know, we have our little Jackson Pollock moment.

Paint goes everywhere. the invisible man just nopes out of there like cecilia recedes back into the attic he's obviously run away she sees a trail running down the hallway so she feels it's safe to kind of come down Elizabeth Moss holds herself down from the attic like a badass because the ladder's been knocked over.

Mm-hmm. I would have broken my ankle. But what do you know?

Same here. I believe it was. I like to imagine it was.

It was. It was. We all know it. The power in that face.

Exactly. American gladiator Elizabeth Moss. one-handed, lowers herself from the attic, does a triple salchow on the hands.

And then gives perfect face. Yeah, absolutely.

Sticks the landing. Yeah. Cracks a fan and just like death drops.

It's perfect. That's happening in our version.

It sure is. And then somebody just like comes in with like a fan that they're like waving over her.

And they're like, yes, yes. Tans across the bar, darling.

She's revived. I love it. Yes, exactly.

Suddenly it's Paris is burning. Oh, my God.

Oh, my God. That's what it's called. The Invisible Man is burning.

There it is. I love it. There it is. In light sun.

Yeah, it's four baby drag queens, a stage full of crabs, and a dream.

Wow. Maybe we can, like, live podcast this shit.

I think we should. Oh, my God. Let's do it.

All right. So Elizabeth Moss just like backflips out of the attic.

She gets down into the hallway and starts casing the joint for the invisible man.

And we come to the kitchen where we hear a sink on and we see it filled with white paint.

Because that motherfucker had to wash his hands.

Right. Which you're like, how does that even work?

How does that not ruin your fucking suit?

Yeah. Exactly. I was kind of wondering that, too.

And then that made me think that maybe the person that was on the ladder, which we don't know this at this point in time, was Tom.

So he got full of paint. Switched. Washed off as much as he could and got out of there.

Yeah. Shit. Or took off the suit, dunk it in water, put it in a bag and like left.

And then Adrian was just there to like bop around.

I cannot sponge bath without getting the bathroom soap.

Yeah. Or a bird bath. Sorry, that sounds less like prison, but you know what I mean.

Yeah. So basically he gives himself a birdbath and Elizabeth Moss is just like sitting in there with a running faucet, white paint everywhere.

Holding a knife. Coffee on the floor. And she's just like, come get me.

And then he... Does just that. And suddenly Elizabeth Moss is off the ground, getting like chokeslammed into the wall, creating dance. and being thrown across the table.

Well, actually, no, before she does, they're like fighting on the floor and she's like breaking dishes over his head.

Which is really smart. Good of her to utilize her surroundings.

Mm hmm. Yeah, absolutely. And as soon as this starts, like as soon as that, like Because she's holding the knife in her hand and he like slowly like moves her hand so the knife falls out of her hand.

And then he like brings her up by her neck. the music that happens in this scene, it's like this like womp, like this like chaotic, like just like horns and shit, like all at once.

And it is so stressful. Like, that is my, I love a good, like, well-placed, like, womp in a horror movie. where it's just like this chaos music that makes you all of a sudden be like, oh shit, what the hell is happening?

It's very traumatic. It's so good. Like, I love good music in a horror movie.

I think it like is so important to the whole vibe.

It like sets up and breaks tension. Yeah.

And you know who does it really well? Who?

Tell us. Lee Wannell. There it is. Lee Wannell not only started the band Whitesnake...

Invented the major scale thousands of years ago.

Now he's back to grace us with cinematic genius.

Yes. With his scoring genius. Leigh Whannell tells stories with her music, man.

I love it. He totally does. To only exist in the Lee Wan-El world.

Yes. But now basically we're just like it's Smash Mouth.

We're like hidden people. It's. it's a melee I got nowhere else to go with that she gets thrown across a table like what do you say about that Yeah, it's intense.

And it gives you a little glimpse, too, of how bad he was.

Like that's when we're like, oh, shit. OK, like this is what he does.

That is true because I never thought about, like, up until that point, he's just fucking with her.

And he honestly could have just walked away at this point.

But something has just gotten him, like, viciously fighting.

And he's just shown us that, like, he's willing to slap a kid.

Yep. And I think it was the paint. The paint, I think, like set him off.

It was like she... threw paint on his beautiful creation, exposed him when he was never supposed to be exposed in this thing.

He went into a rage and it's like he's so comfortable with how violent he is with her in that moment that you're like, he's done that before.

Absolutely. But I think it speaks... to the point of that it was Tom all those other times, and especially right before when the paint was thrown on him, and then it's like Adrian is back and you can see when it's Adrian.

Yeah. Absolutely. Because there are these times in the movies, like as we start to get through it, you start to learn that like there definitely is more than one invisible man.

Like, I guess we haven't explicitly said that yet, but if people are listening.

They probably know. But like, yeah, this definitely drives it home because there's like that inconsistent action.

But yeah, like you're saying, in those times of aggression, you can definitely feel Adrian's presence. absolutely yeah and then basically they're like wrecking the place they're fighting and elizabeth moss is able to get out of there she gets out to the road and calls a lift, which thankfully for her is right around the corner.

That poor lift driver. I know. God. She better have given him five stars in retrospect.

I sure hope so. And a hefty tip. Yup, yup, mm-hmm, 100%.

But the thing is, too, it's like if I were a Lyft driver and picking a really scared person up at four in the morning, who's like, just drive, get me far away from here.

I wouldn't take a 15 point turn. No. Oh, my God.

And like slow as fucking molasses. You're like, honey, gun it.

Yeah, it's like you're waiting for a window to get punched in or for the car to hit somebody or just something like that.

But as it seems, Cecilia has been able to get off scot-free, well not scot-free, but get the hell out of there and it looks like they're not following necessarily or they're getting out respectively.

Mm-hmm. Right, yeah. And then she takes an all-night Uber drive because she gets $100,000 a month, baby, and she can afford it.

That's right, she can. And I should clarify it's Lyft, not Uber, so I guess I can't be colloquial with that.

Right. Not the same thing. I don't want to get anyone sued here.

But basically she like in what could be a really great commercial for Lyft. gets taken to his home, like on the shores of wherever the fuck they are.

And basically, again, without the questioning of the Lyft driver, She basically rolls up to this compound of a home.

Like she leaves like a really residential kind of normal neighborhood.

Goes to like... the dream world goes out in front of a mansion and she's like disheveled at four in the morning and just being like, Hey, you just wait here. in front of this gate, I'm going to go into this house and, you know, come back and you're going to drive me back to where I was.

Like, if I was this person, I'd be like, this woman is about to steal something.

Yeah, that's a good point, actually. Or I'd just be like, I'm not waiting.

See ya. I was not expecting him to be chilling there.

No, me either. Because I'd be like, no, I'll take the one star.

If I were the Lyft driver, I'd be like, I think I'm a part of a murder.

Or I'd be like, what's chasing you? Because I don't want it to catch me.

Yeah. Exactly. But I mean, hey, believe women.

He believes her. And he's just kind of like, all right, there's no doubt.

He follows her lead. And Elizabeth Moss is able to like.

Get back into Adrian's home and then suddenly we're at like Sky Dancer HQ just out there on the water and there are dust covers everywhere.

Yeah, it was really spooky. Yeah, and it's like, how do you just have dust covers for everything in your home?

Like, is that rich people shit? Mm-hmm. Oh, yeah, that's definitely rich people shit.

Mm-hmm. It's like you spend $500 in dust covers to save your like $2 million in furniture.

Right. Exactly. Yeah. It's just like pocket change.

But like, I don't know. I just tried to imagine the whole time, like what rapper lived in this house in the late or like early 2000s, late 90s, because like I'm sure this house has been on cribs.

Oh, for sure. It has to have been. For sure.

And then we get reintroduced to, you know, the diva of the whole movie, Zeus.

Oh, sweet little baby. I'm like, here's your second chance to take him.

Absolutely. Yeah. Furthermore, I'm sitting there going like, oh, my God, he's like. left alone at the house but at the same time you're like oh no no no no he's not left alone at the house this means somebody's there So you're kind of like pulled in two separate directions in this moment.

Yes. Yup. It's true. And that's the moment where you're like, oh, wait a second.

Like something is not right. Someone still lives there.

Yeah. But they've gone as far to put best covers everywhere.

So this is just like, ooh. We're dealing with a psychopath.

Yeah, totally. Like, it's the long con. And from there, Cecilia starts poking around. knows that she probably doesn't have a lot of time because you're half expecting the invisible Mario Brothers to show up at any point.

But she's able to make it back to the lab.

And this time she ends up going up to this machine that she at first kind of looks at questionably in the first shots of the movie.

But this time she's like, I need to get access to this thing and figure out how he's doing all this shit.

Because obviously this has to do with what's going on.

Yeah. So it's their anniversary date, which shows you that there is still some kind of obsession at play.

And that's the thing that's messed up when you think about it.

It's like, this is him pursuing wanting to be with somebody.

Like, it's insane. Like this is that's the end game.

Like his end game is getting her back. Yeah.

And again, it's like that car window moment where it's like this aggro dude just popping off.

And it's like, do you think that by popping off, this person is suddenly going to be like, You've abused me and gaslighted me and ruined my world up until this point.

I totally get it. Yeah, like, you know what?

It's all clear now. Yeah. Yeah. Let's play spin the bottle like old times.

Just the two of us. Let's go back to France.

Exactly. So basically she's just like popping around the house.

She gets into the lab. She sees this machine.

She pops in their anniversary date and is able to gain access to it.

And then she enters this room, this like machine thing that like has like a weird iPad kind of thing on the wall or, that has, like, a rotating view.

It's got, like, a central thing. It looks like a spray tan booth in a Jamiroquai video.

That's really what it looks like. 100%. Yes.

It really does. It's like virtual insanity.

Brought me back to junior prom. 100%. Jamiroquai all up in there.

Yes. And I actually spray tan junior prom Jamiroquai.

This is like a perfect. It's all together.

This is the one stop shop. Yep. But the tea is like while she's in this room, you start to hear those like clicks and sounds that she had heard when she was in her bedroom earlier.

So suddenly you're like, oh, OK, this has to do with the invisibility. which makes her go a little bit deeper.

And then she makes her own invisibility suit.

Go, girl. And you're like, get it, sis. Because fashion is for everyone.

It is. And invisibility suits go beyond gender.

I love it. So basically it must be in four way stretch as well because it just like automatically fits everyone's body, which again, love a garment like that.

I was going to say, we love that. One size fits all.

The Invisible Man, if nothing else, is a lesson in the future of democratic fashion.

Yes. Democratic fashion. Yeah. Got it. A little bit for everyone.

So basically, this is also when we come to kind of find out that he is covered in cameras.

You get a really good close view of the suit.

You're kind of like, this is the name of the game.

Okay. And then the thing is, everything's all good.

You're having this moment of realization.

And then suddenly Zeus appears in the background.

And it sounds like he's reacting to somebody else coming in the home, which automatically tells Cecilia she's not alone.

Which leads her to go full Heidi and closet and, you know, take cover.

Yes. With her suit in her hands, it looks like she tucks it away in like some like walking closet situation and just kind of like sits in waiting to see what's going on.

Right, because she puts the suit in this hiding space that she had in the closet where she put her getaway bag.

Oh, you're right. Same little hidey hole.

Yeah, absolutely. And then she's in the hut or the I was going to say the hiding closet.

Sure, that's the official name. She's in there and she sees a footprint on the carpet.

We know that Adrian's in there. Thankfully, before Adrian gets a chance to fuck with her, Zeus comes in and saves the day.

Zeus is the hero. Proving his worth and why she should have taken him.

The unsung hero. It really is. Yeah, exactly.

So Zeus puts enough space in between them for Cecilia to get the fuck out of that house.

She gets back into her lift, which I mean...

I'm kind of like, wouldn't Adrian just kill the Lyft driver?

But, you know, I'm kind of glad he did. She ends up getting back out on the road, heading back toward James's house.

And on her way in the car, this is when she calls Emily and she's just like, Hey, we got to talk.

I'm putting things together. We have to meet up.

And thankfully, regardless of the emails, Emily is willing to meet with her.

That's some sister shit. And that is when we cut to the strangest rendezvous place.

Wait, I want to go there so badly. I need to know what this restaurant is.

We were watching it and Elena was like, you would absolutely eat dinner there.

And I was like, yeah, 100%. It was an interesting spot.

It was kind of like fusion hell. And like the clientele was like super young.

The waiter was the worst. It's just everyone was very hip.

It was very Fast and the Furious. And it was.

Yeah. So basically, They're at the table, and Emily and Cecilia are there.

They're like, we're happy to meet. But then the waiter comes up, and Emily is...

A huge dick, objectively, to the waiter.

This is kind of what sours me with her. I'm just like, no, no, no.

How you deal with customer service people indicates how you are as a person.

It's so true. I get so angry when people are rude to like waiters or salespeople or anything like it's one of my biggest pet peeves and immediately.

I'm like oh fuck off because Taylor doesn't know the situation that you're in yeah exactly And it's not like he's like walking up, giving anything but niceness.

Like if he had walked up and even giving you like a modicum of sass, it can make you go like, OK, well, maybe that's where it's coming from.

But really, it's just Emily giving this young person a real shit time.

And basically, she's just like, I need space.

And the waiter fucks off. They're starting to have a conversation.

And Cecilia is just like, hey, I know this sounds wild, but this is kind of what's going on.

And then out of nowhere, a knife just floats up in the air.

And this is the knife that, you know, we saw earlier come out of the kitchen go up to the attic and now it's at this restaurant.

Cecilia's hand grips around it and it slits her sister's throat there at the table.

And within seconds, everybody in the restaurant notices.

And, like, the first person to notice looks like Pink.

So Pink is extremely upset about this. She's a screamherd around the world.

Exactly. And then like Zooey Deschanel with Space Buns and her boyfriend Russell Brandt, who are like very close to the table, are like running around looking extremely shocked.

And everyone's just looking at Cecilia, who's standing there just looking like a solid earth tone dancer with just like a little off the shoulder number.

I don't know what's happening. That scene is one of like maybe two scenes in two movies in my entire life that I like audibly gasped. when it happened because it just happened so fast and i was like oh i was so excited to watch that with you and like ash was with me i literally gasped she did i was like holy shit You have no time to take it in.

No, it happens when it slits her throat.

You're just like, like, what? How did that happen?

Yeah. Because up until that point, it wasn't that kind of movie.

So I don't think you're expecting things to go that.

Yeah, it really escalates things to like the turning point.

Absolutely. Yeah, it's the Lee 1L way. It's Lee 1L.

Lee 1L. It's the power. And then maybe this is because I just watched.

Tiger King recently, but part of me was expecting like a manager to come out and be like, just so everybody knows, we just had a situation where a customer had their throat slit.

Yeah. You know, like wearing like a paramedic jacket.

But you guys can come back in. Half off apps.

I'll give you half off your meal tonight.

Three side salads. I don't know what we can do here.

Like crazy bread. Yeah. This fusion restaurant would have crazy bread, I'm sure.

100%. It definitely would. With a good dipping sauce.

It would have like a fluorescent light tube like jammed into it.

It'd be like, yeah, anyway, light up right aside.

So Shit really goes down at this restaurant.

And Cecilia is dragged away to an institution where she is sedated and strapped down to a table and is just essentially left there in a tiny room to black out and face whatever legal ramifications she is about to face. for allegedly killing her sister.

And this is when we hear, before she fully goes out, the word surprise.

Yes. Just telling us that he's there with us.

So creepy. I did not hear that. Oh, you didn't?

No. Oh yeah, just as she's fading out after getting her injection, it's just like a surprise.

She's alone in the room and you just hear that.

I need to rewatch that scene. So good. And like there's a moment where you can even go like, is she just imagining this?

But again, in the theme of believing women, it's just like you're accepting it.

So essentially now Cecilia is arrested, strapped down to a bed and stuck.

So terrible. So spooky. The great thing about this movie, though, is you feel those feelings.

You're just like, as a watcher, you feel like there's just this total sense of helplessness. what is she going to do now?

And then like, you're sitting there watching it happen.

You're like, what am I going to do? You're like, I believe her.

What, what's going to happen? Um, I gotta help see.

Tyler and I are sitting there and we're like, as men, how can we make this about us?

Yeah. So basically, this is the situation Cecilia is in.

It is bad news bears all around. and then we are into interrogation the next day with her best friend James, or good friend James, and Officer George Harrison, as I like to call him.

And they're essentially sitting there and James is feeling really bad about the whole situation.

Cecilia is straight up like, He is watching me, which is just making her sound even more kind of off kilter, you know, which is adding to their narrative.

At this point, she's also like a day into grieving the sudden murder of her sister on top of it all.

That she watched right in front of her. Exactly.

And now they're in the room and she's basically saying, like, I think he's even in here.

And the camera starts to turn to the corner and you You're getting the sense that he is kind of in there, just like laughing away in the corner.

Oh, yeah. So unsettling. This is where I would have like Red Rover the situation.

Be like, okay, we're in a small room. He's here.

Let's just like join hands and just make a big walk.

And we're going to get him. Yes. I'd be like, just humor me this.

Red Rover that shit. Yeah, Red Rover the situation.

It's Lisa and Bart Simpson. It's like, I'm going to start swinging my arms and I'm going to start kicking.

Yeah. And if you come in. Yeah. Eventually we're going to hit this.

It's like. There it is. Right. Yeah. If you come in my range, it's your fault.

I didn't mean to hit you. I'm just doing my arm exercises.

So basically, they're in this room. Nothing's good.

It's just getting worse. And then... Cecilia goes back to her room and this is where she finds out from a nurse that she's pregnant.

And that it's happened within the last month.

And she, much like the TLC show, did not know she was pregnant.

No. And at this point it's just like blow after blow after blow for her.

Because now she's like super obviously stuck to him.

Yep. And then super, super violated. Well, because this is the thing, because at this point in the story, like we find out in the next scene that he was aware she was on birth control and that he was fucking with it.

But at this point in the movie, like what must be going through Elizabeth Moss's head or Cecilia's head is like he attacked me in my sleep.

Yeah, yeah, exactly. Or like, that's all I was thinking.

And he's been drugging her. Yep. And now a child is coming out of this whole situation.

Yeah, it's a really heartbreaking scene, and Elizabeth Moss does it really, really well.

Sorry, I had a joke in here and I'm like, I shouldn't put that in there.

I literally had she's sitting there zoning out, planning out the logistics of a gender reveal from prison.

Oh my God, wait, that's really fucking funny though.

That is really funny. That's so Raven's out of the situation.

And she's like, how am I going to get the pink egg and the blue egg to crack?

And how are they going to know? This is going to be real tough.

So basically, like nothing's going well for Cecilia right now.

She's pregnant, she's stuck in prison, and this guy is stalking her.

She basically just dives in further to the deep end, though.

Because she goes into a meeting with Tom, the doe-eyed brother of her former boo. basically tells her, like, as the representative of my brother's money, I'm here to tell you that not only did you commit a crime, but you're not of sound mind because you think somebody invisible is stalking you.

So, yeah, sorry about it. You can't get your money anymore.

And I really don't like doing this because I know that you're paying for somebody to go to Parsons Design School and, you know, giving a young woman of color her dream.

But... But he can't have it. Hi. That's just kind of the attitude that he has about it, where he's just like, well, I know all your dreams are dashed, but you like my pen?

Gold. Yeah. he's like super whoops sorry i mean as you've illustrated he found a way to make it about himself Yeah, right.

It definitely did. Absolutely. But then he gives her the ultimate ultimatum.

Yes. Well, this is the tea because basically, Elizabeth Moss, I don't want to leave this moment without just recognizing that she has a total badass moment in here.

Oh, she is like, I used to pity you for being the blood relative of a sociopath.

You are a punching bag tied to your brother's wallet.

She refers to him as the jellyfish version of his brother.

It's just like, yes. Beautiful moment. Give her an Oscar, please.

That was a mic drop moment. That's like an Elena chef's kiss.

Mwah. Mwah. Absolutely. It's like, can somebody do like a chef's kiss and a dropkick at the same time?

Because that's kind of what she just did.

That's exactly what it is. It absolutely is.

And so this happens and then basically the brother is just like, sorry about it.

You can sign over your money like quietly and easily or you can take me to court.

But this is just kind of where it's going to be.

And like the Siberian husky he is, none of her words have had an effect on him.

And then basically he's just like, but there is another option.

And this is where he's just fully like, here's the tea.

We know what's up. My brother is still alive.

He's invisible. He knew you were on birth control.

He's been swapping it out with placebos.

Ha ha ha ha ha. So if you want to get out of this, which we can make happen, you keep the baby.

You raise it as, you know, yours and his and you go back to him and we just forget that all this shit happened.

As if she's going to be like, totally. OK, let's let's get it.

Yeah. Like what? She's like, well, a baby makes three.

Right? Yeah. It fixes everything. She's like, well, we have Zeus the dog.

I guess we could have Aphrodite the baby.

It's like, fuck no. Nobody's going to agree to this.

I can't. No, of course not. Yeah, she full Teresa Giudice's the table.

She just flips. everything, is like prostitution horses, gets those papers out of there, grabs a pen from his suitcase or briefcase when he's not looking. and like a piece of sticky tack off the wall.

And basically in just like a full setting fire to the rain Adele moment.

It's just like, I don't want your agreement.

And he's kind of like, well, you can sleep on it.

She's like, no, she's like, I ain't sleeping.

Exactly. Further adding to the theme that these men are just like, oh, no, no, you will do what I want.

And there's a woman standing right in front of you being like, no, no, no, this is how it is and it's like and it's and it's basically them being like well you can sleep on it because right now you're being irrational like woman you're being emotional so let's have you sleep on it Right.

And I'm actually surprised nobody says the word.

But at some point you expect somebody to be like, oh, you're just hysteric.

Yeah. You wait for that. Mm hmm. Which everybody's acting that way anyway.

So. It was without saying. It's implied.

Yeah, without saying it, truly. For sure.

But basically, she just knocks all that shit over.

She grabs a pen. The whole meeting's over and she is back in jail looking more and more like Eileen Wuornos as every moment goes by.

To wear an armchair. Which is no good. Just in her cell brooding.

I love it. She's actually looking less like Eileen Wuornos and more like Charlize Theron as Eileen Wuornos.

Oh, there you go. Which is the bright side.

Glamour Wuornos. Yeah. Yeah. She's the mother of the house of Warnos.

Oh, my God. Yes. Precisely. Yeah. So. So she's out there serving Warno's realness.

And then basically she is just like, okay, time to top the situation from the bottom. and then goes into her like little shower stall in her prison cell, gives this like, not without my child, but kind of the reverse moment. and is like, you will not have this takes that pen that she had stashed and she'd used the sticky tack to put it above the door like a fucking MacGyver and just like MacGyver takes the pen and stabs herself in the wrist.

Yep. Oh, that scene was so hard to watch.

I lost my shit. Absolutely. Which then coaxes Adrian to come out of the shadow and try to stop her.

Because he's like, that's my baby. Yeah. because suddenly the name of the game now is that even though he's been so rough and tumble with Cecilia to this point, He now can't hurt her too much the further she goes into the pregnancy.

Because for him, his game that he's playing is that he wants this fucking baby.

Mm hmm. So crazy. It's like and it seems like for a moment the control shift.

Right. Which made him even angrier that she has the control now.

Right. Because she's like, come and get it, fucker.

And he comes out and has to be not like he was in the kitchen where he's throwing her around and doing everything.

He has to be like a little more gentle. Like, you know.

Yeah, absolutely. And then in this tussle that they have in the jail cell, She basically takes the pen, stabs him, and then the suit's malfunctioning.

And now we're really getting a sense that he is there.

And there kind of is now undeniable proof for anybody else that comes across this situation.

Yeah. Suddenly, for the first time in this movie, we now have verifiable evidence that there is somebody fucking with her.

But the shit thing about this is that as soon as we are put in a situation where people can believe her, those people then start getting killed.

Yes. Which he has like a superhuman moment and he's just fucking brutalizing everyone that comes near him.

People are taking L's left and right. Yeah.

The Terminator. Yeah, because the guard comes in.

He, like, turns his taser onto him. They end up getting into a fight.

He knows he's fighting an invisible man.

Like, he knows it's not her. And I'm sure this is all getting caught on camera because I'm sure this prison institution would have.

We would hope. Yeah. Like the whole time I'm like, well, at least Cecilia has that in her favor.

Like there's no evidence. Yeah, it's like a weird moment of relief to be like, OK, now people are going to start believing.

Yes, it's true. You're like, here it is.

He's glitching right for everybody to see.

Exactly. But then you like hear them like being like, get down, get down or like make sure she doesn't go there.

And it's like, do you not see the glitching man in the fucking corner?

Absolutely, because at first everybody comes into the jail cell and is expecting her to be the attacker, she gets out into the hallway, starting to finally be able to run away from this whole situation.

And suddenly, you know, they're trying to apprehend her.

And then all of the people apprehending her and roughing her up are now getting attacked by Adrian or the Invisible Man.

Mm-hmm. which adds, again, further interest because in this moment, you're kind of like, sure, he's attacking them, But why?

Because like for him, it would be perfect for her to stay under his thumb and stay in prison.

Yeah. But in this moment. It's almost like he's defending her in a sick way or defending the baby that he wants from her.

Like, it's so manipulative what's happening in this moment.

It is 100%. Yeah, because it's totally trying to like protect that baby.

And it's using her as a vessel to protect that baby.

So it's further treating her like that. Because you'll notice, like, he got physical with her up until the point that she got the announcement.

And then all of a sudden she became a vessel.

So it was like, I have to try to... Until she's no longer useful for this baby, I need to treat her with a little bit more of like kid gloves.

Exactly. So now we have this power dynamic introduced and they're in this fight in the hospital.

There are workers coming around. They're getting taken down like flies.

We're getting some really cool moments of just like action and all that kind of shit here.

There's a really great behind the scenes video of how they did all this kind of stuff with the greens. suit and like computerized cameras that followed the same path.

So they would reshoot everything with like just the background.

But yeah, basically they're in the hallway, all taking each other down.

The camera is just going wild everywhere.

And Cecilia is able to make it out into the parking lot.

Now, high drama, there's rain. She's now essentially gone from the hunted to the hunter. because after everyone's been wasted in the hospital, Adrian has like gone out the front door.

She sees him going out there. She takes a gun and she's like, you know, brandishing it at the people at the front of the hospital.

So she gets out into the parking lot herself.

But now she's essentially chasing him through a rainstorm in a parking lot trying to get him.

Yeah. And this scene is genius because she can't she already can't rely on her sight.

But now with all of the rain beating on the cars, she also can't rely on like her ability to hear.

Oh, that's true. So she's just like denied all of her senses.

And it's just this. Really tense scene.

But she is given sight in that sense because now that there's rain, she can see his form.

That's true. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. The glitching.

Which is exactly why you come to find out that he's hiding out under like the open roof of like a hatchback or an SUV.

Oh, yeah. Yeah. And she has been like searching the parking lot.

And basically, as Elizabeth Banks or Cecilia is searching for him in the parking lot, She is getting chased by the people from the hospital.

And basically she ends up finally finding him.

And like the whole time, the invisible man is like shooting the hospital people that are coming to her with guns, trying to arrest her.

And this is when they meet underneath the back hood of the car and where he's just like, look.

I'm not going to fuck with you, but if you think you are smarter than I am and if you think you are getting an upper hand, you are not.

Because I will take down everyone around you that you love before I come for you.

And then basically just disappears into the night.

Which you immediately know what that means.

You're like, oh, he's going to the house when he says. like it's your fault it's your fault if something happens to Sydney like you have your I think he says Oh, yeah, it's like you have yourself to thank if that, like, little girl, blah, blah, blah.

So right away you're like, he's coming for Sydney next.

So now it's a race to get back to the house.

And Cecilia goes full Grand Theft Auto like a guy crashes into a car. because of the invisible man exiting.

I keep saying the invisible man because I don't want to say Adrian or Tom because we don't really know.

Yeah, because it's hard to figure out. No, it's a good point.

But basically, like dude gets in a car crash.

He kind of comes out of his car like shell shocked.

She just runs in, takes the car, leaves, hangs up the phone with his wife and then calls James. who is utterly confused.

And in a moment of like kind of role reversal, there's this person with like real world concerns who's like, I'm a cop, you're an inmate.

Why are you calling me now? Like, what's going on?

And she's like, quiet, you pretty little mess.

And right before that is when we get the jigsaw cameo on the fence in front of where the guy crashes his car into.

Yeah, it's really quick. Yes. Love that.

Lee Wan-El. Yeah, the Lee Wan-El of it all.

And actually, speaking of which, I do feel like this was a missed opportunity for Leigh Whannell because this is where I would have put Invisible by Clay Aiken.

Oh, yes. Yes. Just to kind of relieve the tension.

Yeah, that definitely would relieve the tension.

You could have put it on the radio. Yeah.

After she hung up with the wife. There it is.

Exactly. Or whoever was on the phone. It could have blasted on the radio when she turned off the Bluetooth.

And she's like, but you fucking are, damn it.

That would have been perfect. And she would have been like, oh shit.

Like from like an urban legend. Yup. When, um...

What's his name? Joshua Jackson gets in the car and the Dawson's Creek theme song starts playing and he's like, oh, fuck that.

They could have done the same thing. I was totally thinking of the other part in the beginning when it's like turn around.

Yeah. Total eclipse of the heart. My lips.

Yeah. Yes. It makes a second appearance.

All connections. Who knew that there were so many references to Bonnie Tyler in that movie?

They're always there if you're willing to look hard enough.

In every movie out there, there are actually at least four references to Bonnie Tyler songs if you really look deep enough.

It's like six degrees of separation with Bonnie Tyler.

Yes. And then basically. We get back to the house and it turns out, even though Cecilia is like hot on her way, Sydney's in bed and there's somebody in there with her.

And suddenly the mace that Sidney had in her room comes in real fucking handy.

Yeah. Because she pumps that fucker into the room and this invisible idiot falls into her dresser.

I loved that. Side note, her nails are on fucking fleek.

Those turquoise ones? Yes. Yeah. I was like, okay.

Look, I stan a saucy teenager with acrylics and a dream of going to fashion school.

Especially if she's got mace at her bedside table.

It's like, wow, we vibe. That was me, my crackle nails.

And she used it. She really used it. Nothing but respect for Sydney.

Yeah, I love Sydney. Here's the thing. Basically, like this just turns into another knockdown drag out fight.

Like he slammed into the dresser. We got like a moment of slapstick comedy.

And then Cecilia arrives. I know she there yet.

No, no, no. James arrives. And like, yeah, basically, as Sidney is running out of the room after he's like into the dresser, She then gets clothes lined in the hallway, which tells you that there is a second person in the house, like verifiably.

Because whoever this is that attacked her in the room is still in there fumbling over her nightstand.

So essentially, she's fighting this person in the hall.

At this point, James, who has been alerted by Cecilia, shows up.

And it's time for him to try to fight these invisible fuckers.

And like I start to get scared. I'm like, no, don't take him.

I like him. He's the good one. And you think that.

I was so upset. You really think he didn't make it out of that for a second.

Yeah. I was so upset. Absolutely. And basically, like he gets his ass kicked, left out on the ground.

And then Cecilia comes in with a fire extinguisher and a gun, takes down this invisible attacker and shoots them a whole bunch of times.

And then this is finally the moment where we have somebody in an invisibility suit dead on the ground.

And we can finally know, as Alyssa Edwards would say, What the fuck is going up here on this good day?

Yes. It's the movie's Scooby Doo moment.

We get to unmask the villain. Exactly. But in Scooby-Doo, the killer or like the person is not usually bleeding out on the ground.

Not usually. Although in my Scooby-Doo, they are.

It's adult Scooby-Doo. I mean, they're remaking gritty versions of everything.

We just need a gritty version of Scooby Doo.

We really do. Exactly. The world needs that.

And this really is like a stupid idiot of a character that you're revealing.

You're like, oh, of course it's him. Just like in Scooby-Doo.

It was the guy that ran the general store.

Of course. Yup. Now they always do like a, like what's new Scooby-Doo or like a, like Scooby-Doo, where are you?

So like, what would that be? Hey girl, Scooby-Doo.

There it is. I'm waiting for it. Go girl, Scooby-Doo.

I love that. Go girl. So basically, shit's really going down.

The brother dies. We get this confirmation here.

James. Turns out to be alive and suddenly we're getting into like what we think is the wrap up.

Because right after this, it goes to Adrian's home and there's a SWAT team in there and they're raiding the apartment.

And the whole time I'm like, Zeus, are you OK?

But it looks like they're down in the basement.

Zeus is nowhere to be found, but they hear muffled screams behind a wall break down like some sort of Wall in the basement and there is Adrian tied up to a chair and gag like a little bitch and you're like bitch How did you do this?

Right. And quite frankly, he looks terrible.

He does. Which is why I think he smells.

And he's wearing the same outfit he was wearing the night that she escaped.

That's the tea. Homeboy's thorough. And like he's covered in like not movie dirt, like actual dirt and blood.

It's like this dude is just like a walking biohazard.

He's selling it. So then that made me think, like, if he's premeditating so far ahead, has he been purposely letting himself become like emaciated and disheveled? for this moment when he has to fake his kidnap.

That's such a good point. And that's the thing.

So basically, like. It just comes to be accepted in the movie that everybody except Cecilia believes that Adrian hasn't been behind any of this and that it's been his brother who is now dead on the floor at James's house.

You know, Adrian has been locked up behind a wall in the basement the whole time, probably for his money or something nefarious like that.

And it seems cut and dry in a lot of people's minds.

In fact, Cecilia in the next shot is like at the police station with Sidney and James.

They're talking about everything. And Cecilia is basically like, I don't believe it.

Yeah. She's like, no, he did it. Yeah. And James is like, no, but like, listen to A, B, C, and D. And she's like, no, dude, you don't know Adrian like I do.

Right. exactly and he's basically trying to say to her like hey no play along like this is what's gonna get you out of jail now the tea is it's like she has a whole lot of security footage that's probably gonna exonerate her from all this and confirm her story away but it just seems like nobody's really listening to her still even after you can still verify all the shit that she's been saying Yeah.

So basically he tells her to let it go. And Cecilia is just like, well, I have to create my own plan now.

And then you see her at home later that day making a phone call.

Love it. Well, we don't know if it's later that day.

It's kind of vague as to, like, how far along.

Because she probably wasn't just, like, straight up let out of it. jail.

No? I'm sure there were some kind of proceedings they had to do before she was just able to walk in.

They were like, yeah, you're fine. That's true.

Or maybe she never had to go back because there was so much going on with everybody that got killed and injured along the way.

Oh yeah, that's true. You just don't know.

Yeah. So it was like 10 minutes later. Yeah.

It was immediate. She took a shower and got right to it.

Yeah. The walls of the jail fall down around her and she's like, oh my God, I've been in my house the whole time.

And then like someone comes in and it's Shutter Island all of a sudden.

They're like, you were the invisible man, Cecilia.

Oh, God. And then a black screen. Oh, wow.

But unfortunately, well, actually, fortunately, that doesn't happen.

Yeah, because basically Cecilia at some point in the near future calls up Adrian and it's just like. let's hash this out I've got this baby you've got this house let's do dinner This last scene is like a finale of Mob Wives.

It is like she is going in. She's Big Ang.

Yep. Going in to have a sit down with Renee Graziano about some shit that she talked in episode two.

I have one huge problem with this scene.

He's like, I got you all this food, and he got a pregnant woman sushi.

Oh, shit. I said that, too. I was like, are you fucking kidding?

Yeah. Yeah. Ridiculous. He doesn't know anything.

Well, it just goes to show how little he thinks outside of himself.

Exactly. Yeah, because this is his grand gesture.

Yep. He's like, look, I got you this food you can't have.

And it's like, you know, he either like, you know, he didn't make it himself.

He either had somebody make it for him, which makes me go like, oh, do you have staff at this house?

I don't know. But then second of all, it's like, then you just ordered a fucker and you just wasted a lot of money.

Exactly. Because I cannot eat this sushi.

Because I am pregnant with your child. It ain't nothing but a G thing for him.

He's living that dust cover life. Money like that is what made Joe Exotic go awry.

So basically, they're... back at Adrian's house, he has this lovely dinner planned for her, which is essentially a flex.

And then she decides on steak, which is real good because that gives her a knife.

So they sit down and they start poking around at dinner and Adrian is basically just like, Honey, I love you.

And he says at one point, like, I'll burn everything for you, which if I were Cecilia, I'd be like, I choose match.

Thank you. She just goes, okay, like, I'll wait.

And let's not forget at this point, she's wired and James is in a car listening to her.

Right. Oh, yes. Yeah, that's kind of what you come to find out throughout the scene.

And it's like she's sitting there and she's like prodding in for information.

And she's like, just admit that you did it.

And basically she's just like, we can move forward with this.

I just need you to admit to what you've done.

And he straight up refuses to acknowledge it.

And he's still taking it to the very last moment.

He's saying like, You know, I'm sure you feel crazy.

He like comes in, puts his hand on her leg, like all the slime bag shit.

Yeah. And basically just like drives her to the point of tears because she's just sitting here realizing that after all is said and done, after playing the game with him to a certain point, you know, and like playing nice, quote unquote.

She's back here and he is still just it's like talking to furniture.

He's not going to change his story. He's done nothing wrong.

Yeah, it's still the cycle of abuse because she's like all the evidence is right there.

And he's still like, no, no, no. Yeah. You just you're just feeling crazy.

You're just crazy. Sorry. Yeah. And, you know, he's sitting there and he's basically just like, think about our life together.

It's going to be so great. All that kind of stuff.

That's gonna rule. And Cecilia, kinda crying, just ends up excusing herself. she ends up excusing herself at the point where he's like, I know you the best and better than anybody else in the world.

And he says that shouldn't come as a. Surprise.

So it's like that surprise is like what?

You put so much emphasis on the surprise.

Uh-huh. And it's like his way of being like, yup, you're right, bitch, but I'm not gonna say it because I know I'm on camera.

Exactly. Yep. Yeah. And I mean, that's kind of all the proof that she needs.

She goes to the bathroom to collect herself to make sure that her lipstick's right before she does what she's about to do.

Which is amazing. And then we go back to the dining room and Adrian's sitting at the table and...

Cecilia hasn't come back yet but you all of a sudden see Adrian grab the knife as he's like staring at her chair very intently and then slit his own throat and fall to the ground.

Then very shortly after that, Cecilia comes out of the bathroom hearing all the commotion, you know, completely upset, not knowing what to do. kind of taking everything in.

And because she's lived at the home, she knows exactly where the cameras are.

Like a good model, she knows her angles.

That's right. Yes, bitch. You better work. and she sees that he's too far gone and then steps out of the frame of the video.

And to take a quote from RuPaul, her pussy was on fire.

Because she steps out of the frame and all of a sudden, you know, she's on the phone with 911.

She's like, oh my God, my husband, I don't know what to do. gets off the phone with 911, takes two steps out of frame and then sits down with a huge grin on her face, completely composed, watching this motherfucker die in front of him.

Oh, that again, chef's kiss. That was like, yes, girl.

Yeah. And then basically she the next thing you see is her outside the house walking away from the whole situation I like to imagine that before he cheated is playing now, like, you know, she truly did dig her keys into the side of his pretty little souped up four wheel drive, metaphorically speaking.

She sure did. She is out there walking that walkway like a fucking runway.

And guess who she finally has with her. Our boy James.

Zeus. Oh, wait, no. I got Zeus. I'm like, wait a second, wait a second.

She's got James on a leash, walking him like Carole Baskin's husband.

Which is what we wanted all along. I just love James.

I wouldn't be mad at it. And then S&M by Rihanna plays and the movie goes black.

And you're like, that's all we need to wrap this up.

And thank you, Rihanna. But basically, she's just like strutting down that walkway with like it's this great image of just like Elizabeth Moss, like glammed out for the first time in the whole movie. blue-tinted red lip on, hair slicked back with this beautiful long coat. and this dog next to her, walking out with the wind blowing at her.

And then James very rudely interrupts her runway.

He does. Which you never do to a diva. but he basically comes out and he's shocked and he's like, what's going on?

Oh my God. And she's just like, killed himself and he was kind of like well okay what was this all about like James kind of knows exactly what happened yeah And in the ultimate move of lifting up her leg and peeing on the situation,

She just kind of looks at him and just full of gaslights him.

She's just like, I don't know what you mean, basically.

Yeah, she's like, it's on camera. I don't know what to tell you.

She's like, he sounded pretty unravelled, didn't he?

And he's like, yeah, I guess he did sound kind of crazy.

She's like, yeah. Mm-hmm. And it's like their spoken agreement, like, yeah, he was crazy, huh?

And that's the thing. She's like, what did it sound like to you?

Mm-hmm. He's like, whatever you say, queen.

And it's all played out just through like an understanding look at each other.

Yeah. Where they're just kind of like, okay.

OK, I'm going to accept this. You're going to accept this.

Let's move on. And it ends with just a very nice, clear shot of Elizabeth Moss kind of walking out into her world on her own, straight facing the camera, ready to go.

Leigh Whannell. Such a good ending. Leigh Whannell.

Lee Wan-El, man. Doing it and doing it and doing it well.

Lee Wan-El is that bitch. She is. I didn't even know that I needed Lee Wannell as much as I did.

I'm so glad I could bring that to you. Oh, so good.

But that's the Invisible Man. And like, it was...

It was fucked up. And like, I think something that I forgot to mention before was that I always found it really interesting that like supposedly the impetus for Adrian doing all this is that like the brother says at one point, he's like, Adrian can have anything he wants, anyone he wants, and he has.

But you are the first person to ever look at him and say, I don't want you.

Yeah. fucked him up. His male ego couldn't take it.

Which is truly what brings on this entire film.

Yeah, because guys like that, that's exactly like they nailed that guy.

The guy that like. once they hear no from someone, they're like, what now?

And it's always the guy that never hears no from someone.

So it's like, what? It makes you want it more.

Yeah. Absolutely. We talk about it on our show a lot and we say boring white men who think they're magic.

It's like... Alistair Crowley you know we kind of say that stuff tongue-in-cheek where it's like it's these guys who feel that they have so much power that they just bend the laws of time and space and whatever they say is is the fucking law.

So true. And usually they're able to put all these people around them that are like, yeah, yeah, you're right.

Yes, that's what they do. He creates these guys that don't bring much to the table if you're talking to them one on one.

But they need a crowd of people to like pet them the whole time.

Yeah. Good movie. Such a good movie. And it's one of those movies, like we were saying, you can rewatch it so many times because like we said, you catch something every time you watch it.

So it's like not boring to rewatch. No. Absolutely.

And it's not the kind of movie that like tires you out.

You know, like it's a long movie, but it's rewatchable.

And I think that's like really a testament to just kind of how much stuff they packed in.

Because it didn't feel long at all. It felt like when it was over, I was like, whoa.

But it's like two hours long and you're like, oh shit.

Yeah. And I think it's because the movie has these breaks in it and takes these shifts.

Like just when you think you're figuring everything out, her sister dies and then it's like a whole new movie.

Exactly. It really is. It's a whole new set of circumstances.

Totally. Such a turning point. Yeah. Well, I guess that's it.

Oh, my God. This was so fun. We fully made it through.

You're the invisible man. We did. That was the best.

Yeah. I mean, what a cinematic journey that we've all embarked into.

It really was. We made it through. We rewrote the movie.

We have future plans. This has been a great...

A great meeting. We've realized our drag personas.

We've been able to translate them to multiple different media.

We have. I mean, yeah, we're cooking with gas right now.

Yeah, this this brain trust that we have formed is magical.

I feel like Lee Wannell is gonna listen to this and be like, I need to throw money at this shit.

Like we need to put this on ice or something.

I feel like he is. We're here with open arms, Lee.

Yeah, we're here. Yeah, we're waiting. Hi, Lee.

I mean, maybe he's the person we take the musical to first.

I think he is. You know, maybe he'll want to Moulin Rouge it and just go straight to the cinema and just skip over the Broadway.

I love that. Whatever works. I'm into negotiations.

We're here, Lee. Just give us a call. Yeah.

We're here. We're waiting. You can even slide into our DMs.

You totally can. Elena's like, please, in fact, if anything, just slide into our DMs and that's fine.

I love it. So how many invisible wigs do we give this out of four?

Out of four? I think. I mean, what do you think?

I give it a four. Yeah. Yeah. There's not a lot wrong with it.

I give it a four. Yeah. No, I would say the same.

I agree. Definitely a four out of four. If not a 5 out of 4.

Oh my god, yeah. Turning it up to 11. I have no qualm.

Yeah, because there was just no point in it that I was like, yeah, they should have done that different or like they really messed that up.

It was like, yeah, everything felt right.

The biggest criticism I read about the movie is actually in regards to the ending because people thought that this whole like murder revenge thing was a bit, I don't know.

Like contrite kind of thing. Yeah, exactly.

But I think it was perfect in the sense that when we've seen these kind of revenge films in the past, we've had to witness all of this like. terrible abuse like most movies that end that way we have to literally see that this movie alluded to it Yeah, it's true.

So I think it took that revenge flick trope and just elevate it to something worthwhile.

I think so too. Yeah. And I would say like the criticism that we were able to find out about like really the really outside of that, the central criticism that people have had have just been like guys that hated the Ghostbusters movie that were like,

Somebody had said, like, they talk a story about a really interesting man who's just lost his mind and who's been taken by his own brilliance.

And they boiled it down to a bad boyfriend story.

And it's like, oh, my God, I'm so sorry that your tragic hero that you identify with can no longer fucking represent you.

Exactly. Exactly. The fragile male ego. I know.

I'm sorry that they turned it into a real life, like...

It's like, I'm sorry that they didn't make the Invisible Man more of an incel.

Yeah, right? ending is important especially for like domestic abuse survivors to get that win at the end because you know what a lot of people don't so why can't we fucking have it in a movie yeah exactly Supposed to be fantasy.

That's what movies are supposed to take you where you want to go.

It's an escape. Yeah. Right. 100%. And I think it also just opens up some really great conversations about belief and gaslighting and like gives some kind of real world examples to that.

And, you know, even if it's just like meant to be a popcorn kind of creature feature, I think one of the powerful things about this movie is that it provides like a really entertaining movie But then if there is, for example, like a heterosexual couple watching it, that can open up a conversation beyond just the content of the movie, about some real things that are happening in the world today, about the intersection points of, women's bodies and politics and, you know, believe in, you know, all that kind of stuff.

Like, sorry, I'm trying to stop myself so that I'm not just like you're mansplaining feminism.

But you get what I mean. Like it can open up.

No, I totally get it. No, it's true. Yeah, absolutely.

And I think at some point in the movie, it's like something that. every woman has experienced in some small capacity that you can look at, like you said, like a heterosexual couple looking and you're like, yeah, that happens for sure.

Yeah. And I think that's why, you know, like good on you, Lee Wannell, for bringing in Elizabeth Moss in that way.

Because I feel like it really added a dimension to the movie that it may not have had otherwise.

Yeah. Like, imagine if Johnny Depp had just Johnny Depped about.

Right. Yeah. And it's like, thank goodness.

He let her have that control, too, of like using just her face to say certain things.

Wouldn't have been the same. He believed her, you know?

Yeah. Yeah, exactly. He set aside his male ego that would tell him, I'm the director, I'm the writer, this is my story.

Mm-hmm. And he recognized that it wasn't his story and he gave it to the person whose story it belonged to.

Exactly. Mm hmm. And it made the movie that much more powerful as a result.

So it looks great. I'm so excited that we've been able to talk about this because there's so much kind of like real world stuff that we can talk about there's some fun stuff that we can talk about and then it's just at the end of the day it's a spooky thing yeah it's just a great movie And I know that what we do on our podcasts is slightly different, but I feel like it's all kind of within the same umbrella of spooky in the world.

Absolutely. Based in reality. Oh, yeah.

For sure. Definitely. 100%. Yeah, and I feel for, like, anybody listening to this, sorry if we never fully explained who we are and what we do before this, but, you know, I haven't Googled.

You can figure it out. We're all podcasting.

Here we are. We truly are. Yeah. But this has been great.

So thank you guys so much for doing this.

Thank you. this has been a really like wonderful little friendship that's been kind of bubbling up out of this and it's nice to be able to like see each other on zoom finally and connect in this way and Yeah.

I know. I love this. And now we're all friends.

Because friendship is magic, y'all. It is.

We're a spooky little family. Absolutely.

Even with a one second delay. Yeah. Someday we'll move past the delay.

We'll get to meet each other in person. Yes.

Yes. Yes. Yeah, once Miss Rona has moved on.

It's going to be beautiful. So I guess maybe we can take a moment to let people know where they can find us if they don't already know.

Absolutely. You can listen to Morbid, a true crime podcast on any streaming service, really.

And... Yeah, we release kind of a weird schedule.

So we release two a week at some point. It'll be by the end of the week.

Typically by Sunday you'll have your two episodes.

Yeah. Perfect way to do it. Keep them on their toes.

Exactly. You'll be waiting for it. And if you're wondering who the hell we are, we're that spooky.

We're a podcast that kind of covers true crime and anything that makes you go, ooh, that's spooky.

And we make it really gay. That's kind of our thing.

It's kind of like half watching Unsolved Mysteries and then half sitting at a drag show with your best friends.

It's the best of both worlds. Who doesn't love that?

You can check us out. We're on all platforms where that's spooky and you can find our social media through there and we release every Wednesday and more than that sometimes.

So anyway, again, thank you so much for joining us. like this has been great this is kind of like in Power Rangers where they all connect and make the big robot it's kind of cool so uh It really was.

It is like that. Seriously, thank you for having us.

This has been like so fun. We really appreciate that.

All right. So for the millionth time, I'm going to thank you all for listening.

My name is Johnny from That's Spooky. I'm Tyler from That's Spooky.

I'm Elena from Morbid. And I'm Ash from Morbid.

And as we always like to say, if you're gonna be a bitch, keep it weird, bitch. team.

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The town of Agde in France is famous for sun, sand, sea and sex.

But lately, life on the coast has taken a strange turn.

The town's mayor, a respected pillar of the community, has been arrested for corruption.

His wife claims he's been bewitched by a beautiful clairvoyant.

Then there's the mysterious phone calls that local people have been getting.

I am the Archangel Michael. The whole town has been thrown into chaos.

As the mayor is unable to carry out his duties, I would like to address you all.

Legal proceedings have been initiated. Join me, Anna Richardson, and journalist Leo Schick for The Mystic and the Mayor as we investigate a story of power, corruption, and magic.

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[공포와 유머의 만남: '인비저블 맨'에 대한 심층 분석과 드래그 퀸의 세계]-[BONUS EPISODE: Discussing "The Invisible Man" With Johnny and Tyler from That's Spooky]

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'인비지블 맨'과 장르의 경계를 넘나드는 대담

영화 '인비지블 맨'의 미학적 분석

가스라이팅과 생존의 서사

결론: 공포와 유머가 공존하는 이유

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