You're listening to the Learning English Conversations podcast from BBC Learning English.
We'll have another episode of The English We Speak soon, but today we're continuing with our special series Beating Speaking Anxiety a podcast to help you fight your fears of speaking in English.
This episode is called I'm Scared of Forgetting My Words.
Have you ever been speaking English and suddenly you forget a word?
I forget the words when I try to speak.
For a moment my mind is blank.
I know what I want to say, but no words come to mind.
Like, my mind just shuts down.
The bilingual faces a big challenge in that they have double of everything.
In today's episode, we're going to talk about how to avoid panicking when things go wrong.
Speaking English.
Hello and welcome to Beating Speaking Anxiety the podcast to help you fight your fears of speaking English.
I'm Georgie, an English teacher and presenter at BBC Learning English.
And I'm Hanan, a bilingual reporter for BBC Arabic and presenter of the Arabic educational series Dars.
You can find a transcript for this episode and other resources to help you on our website bbclearningenglishcom.
We heard at the start of the programme about that terrifying feeling when you forget your words, when you're speaking a new language.
Has that ever happened to you, Georgie?
Oh, so many times.
It happened all the time when I was learning Spanish.
Your mind goes blank.
There's an awkward pause.
That makes you stressed.
And then it's even harder to remember the word.
It's a vicious cycle.
And this is very common when you're using a second language, even if you feel like you know lots of vocabulary.
We spoke to Maria from Ukraine, who finds her mind goes blank when speaking English.
I noticed that I forgot even simple words.
Because for me it's easier to have a conversation with a difficult topic connected with water supply with some political situation.
Maria can have a conversation about complicated things like politics, but she finds it harder to remember words for everyday situations.
But when I need to ask something really simple, for example in a bus or trying to find some place, I'm completely lost and frustrated.
I don't know why.
It's not that Maria doesn't know the words for these situations.
But in the moment, she finds it difficult to remember them.
So why does this happen?
Well, to answer that question, we need to understand what's happening in our brains when we learn a new language.
So when you're first learning a language, you're doing a lot of really conscious activity that you don't do when you're speaking your native language.
This is Alyssa Mellinger, a professor at the University of Dundee.
Alyssa researches the way we choose our words when we're speaking, and she says that speaking a new language requires conscious activity.
That means your brain has to think things through with a lot of effort, rather than doing things automatically, like you would when you speak your first language, consciously thinking this word first, then that word.
Now I have to put this other word that I wouldn't normally put here, but this is where it goes.
I must remember that this is where it goes.
So you're doing a lot of kind of very explicit thinking.
Alessa says that because your brain is doing all this work, it can struggle to reach the final step of finding a specific word to say, even if it's a word you know.
It could be.
It could be a sort of processing overload that you can't find the word because you spent so much energy trying to remember what order the words are supposed to go in.
Alyssa calls this situation a processing overload.
Your brain is trying to do too much at once.
And she says it can be a particular problem in the early stages of learning a language.
You think like you go on holiday and you think, right, I need to learn how to say please.
I need to learn how to say thank you.
I need to learn how to, you know, ask for the bill.
You're not really learning those words or learning that language.
You're just memorizing sort of sounds.
When you only know words as a translation of your native language and you haven't used them, they're much harder for your brain to find in that stressful moment where you need to order a coffee or ask directions.
Those words that you're learning, they don't have their own kind of meanings.
They're not grounded in your experience of having used them.
You can fail to access them because they were only sort of they were never very strongly represented in the first place.
And so for Maria, who we heard from at the start of the programme, her problem remembering simple words could be because she hasn't used them enough.
But as we know, advanced learners often forget words too.
According to Alyssa, this could just be a part of being bilingual, which is how we describe someone who can speak two languages.
The bilingual faces a big challenge in that they have double of everything.
So they have double the vocabulary.
When you're switching between two languages, you are probably using the words in both languages less frequently.
As we know, if you use words less, they are harder for your brain to remember when you're speaking.
One explanation is that the two languages are competing with one another.
And so that just introduces uncertainty or interference in the processing and makes it harder for you to eventually find the sounds that you're looking for.
Alternatively, it's because for any bilingual, you're using each language half as much as a monolingual would use their single language.
So all your representations are sort of weaker.
Hearing from Melissa.
It makes me realise how amazing our brains are and how hard they have to work when we speak a different language.
Yes, and it sounds like things can get easier.
The more you practise speaking and using the words you learn.
The words become more accessible the more you use them.
Yeah, exactly.
But as Alyssa says, even fluent bilinguals forget words.
It's just part of holding two languages in your head.
So we need to have some ideas for what to do when this happens.
Yes.
Georgie, do you have any tips?
I think the best way is to find a way to describe that word.
So if you can't remember the word table, for example, you can say something like it's something we eat food off.
It's flat and has four legs.
Then the other person can guess the word and you can continue with your conversation.
So the idea is to not get stuck.
But if you really do want to find that specific word, learn some what we call buying time phrases.
For example, sorry, I can't think of the word.
Just bear with me.
Or my mind has gone blank.
Just give me a second.
I love that.
And do you remember Georgie?
We have some tips from last week that you feel free to be vulnerable, make a joke out of it, share your embarrassment.
And, you know, the other person will probably help you.
Yeah, people are kinder than we think sometimes.
That's it for this episode of beating speaking anxiety.
Find a video with more tips to help you with your anxiety on our website.
Visit bbclearningenglishcom.
Next up in this series what to do when you don't understand the other person in the conversation.
Goodbye for now.
Bye bye.
