This is the Business English Podcast, Episode 61.
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Hey, Michelle, how's it going today? Hey, Lindsay, you know what?
I'm going to be on vacation until further notice.
Until further notice? Oh my gosh, Michelle, you're just bringing this on me now?
I mean, where are you even going? What's going on?
Oh, Lindsay, I'm just joking. Today we are going to be talking about this expression, though, this formal sounding expression, which is until further notice.
Okay. I love it. I know it's funny, right?
You see this a lot in emails, right? So in the business world, this is a perfect business English episode today.
Michelle, what does it mean? Okay, so I think it's a very good business expression.
It's a little bit more formal sounding, and I feel like you might hear it on the news.
It reminds me a little bit of our episode on, it was an All Ears English episode.
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But yeah, in that episode, this expression came up, right, Michelle?
Mm hmm. Exactly. Exactly. So before we head more into it, guys, we want to make sure that you hit follow on the Business English podcast so that you never miss any of our episodes.
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All right. Let's get into it. Yeah. So what?
All right. So what is it? Yeah. So usually it's used like this.
X is happening until further notice. So this is like a formal way of saying until we let you know or until we tell you otherwise or until you hear something different.
Like it's basically like until like. Right.
It's like you're waiting on you like like you're kind of left hanging.
Yeah. Further noticed. Right. It feels kind of fatalistic to me.
It feels like it's it's used in moments when something drastic is changing in a company.
Ah, interesting, because a lot of the examples that we're going to throw out.
Yes, that is a common theme. Yeah. And I'm sure that a lot of our listeners have encountered this phrase in the business world around, you know, the whole pandemic, the whole health crisis.
Things changed in workplaces. Right now we're working.
We're going to be conducting business from home until further notice would be an example of that.
Right, right, right. Yeah, that that's a good example.
So let's another example would be we will be pausing our potluck program in the office until further notice.
Right. And I bet a lot of things were canceled like that during the pandemic just so that people wouldn't be getting sick or spreading germs.
Here's another example, guys. Due to a change in the company's finances, we will be renting out the wing down the hall to another company until further notice.
That does not sound like a good sign. Right.
No, it doesn't. We'll be renting out your desk until further notice.
No, exactly. No, that's not so good. Or the policy will be starting and will continue until further notice.
So please make proper preparations. Yeah.
I mean, do you do you agree with me when I say it sounds kind of fatalistic?
It's almost like I think it's typically used for more negative changes in a way.
I think. Yeah, I I mean, yeah, I mean, rarely would you hear like everybody come in at 12 until further notice or jeans that wear jeans every day or casual Fridays every day until further notice.
No, no. This is typically about changes in just company policies, restrictions that are more negative or signaling a problem with the company.
Honestly. Right. Right. Right. Yeah. It's to alert people.
Right. Also, like to kind of tell people don't ask questions. right you like like so that people don't ask oh how long will this be it's kind of like to avoid that question so that saying oh you know that it's something that's happening for like an indefinite amount of time you can't determine when it's gonna end or whatever yeah and yeah like as far as positive negative i agree with you i mean when i hear this expression it makes me a little nervous a little nervous it's fatalistic it's like something's changing and it may not change back right yeah that's the idea i Yeah.
I mean, like I said, somebody could say we will.
I mean, you know, you could. Yeah, you could.
You could. But it's just not as common, I don't think.
For example, you could say we'll be having short Fridays until further notice, meaning like a five hour Friday until further notice.
Right, Michelle? You could say that. It's correct.
It's just less common, as you said, to hear that with a good thing like that.
Right, right, right. So, I mean, what are what are some of the benefits, you know, to using this expression?
Yeah, I mean, I could see our listeners using this if you guys are managers, higher level professionals.
It definitely prepares people for something.
It allows, as Michelle said, as you said, Michelle, that people won't come back and say, oh, how long will this last?
When will this end? Right. It keeps it kind of open and gives the company a little bit of a pass to keep going with this thing.
And it's honest, right? Right. Right. So, Lindsay, have you said this or written it?
And also, do you feel like it's more written or more said or both?
Yeah. Well, I think it's written a lot more than spoken, I would say.
But if, you know, luckily at All Ears English, we haven't had to make any drastic changes, you know, thank goodness, because things are pretty good here.
We're happy in our work and that kind of thing.
So we haven't had to make any drastic changes.
So I haven't really had to use it. But I also think it'd be more likely that larger corporations would use this rather than a small business like us.
What do you think? Right. Yeah, I agree.
I mean, I feel like we're more a little bit more casual.
Yeah. Yeah. Because we're. Yeah. So. But yeah, if you I could see if you're working at a big bank.
I mean, yeah, I don't know. That was the first thing I thought of.
I mean, even at a school, like even if you're working at a school and the administration is making some sort of change and they send it out to the teachers, like we could hear that being used.
Right. Like if they're implementing some kind of standardization that teachers have to kind of follow.
And now you need to teach to this test until further notice.
Right. That could be something you might see.
Absolutely. So yeah, other ways to say this kind of we mentioned some things like, oh, until you hear otherwise.
So you could say the hiring freeze will happen until you hear otherwise.
Right. Or we'll let you know when X is over.
Again, more wordy. It takes a lot more energy to say that.
And it sounds less professional. So for example, the store is closed, but we'll let you know when the closure is over.
Takes too many words. See details online.
Okay, Michelle, let's show our listeners how this goes in a real professional conversation.
Are you ready? Here we go. So we work together and I'm telling you about some new policies at work.
Wonderful. Here we go. So what's going on?
Well, Tracy told me to plan to work from home until further notice.
Wow. Any idea when this will change? She just had to plan for it for a while until we hear otherwise.
Okay. I guess we wait until they let us know when this policy is over.
Exactly. Yeah. I mean, there's something about that, you know, working for a big corporation and seeing big changes happening.
It's kind of a lack of control, right? It's like your fate is kind of being decided and you don't really have that much control over it.
You know, it's weird. Right? Yeah, that is true.
It is weird. And then you're like, like I said, like it kind of leaves you hanging in a way.
It leaves you hanging. Yeah, for sure. So guys, expect to see this in any, especially an email.
I think if a big company makes an announcement by email, you might see this, right?
Yes. Yeah. Should we go through this? Let's do it.
So yeah, I said, Tracy told me to plan to work from home until further notice.
Yeah. So in this case, it was spoken, but certainly verbally or by email.
And then you said she just said to plan for it for a while until we hear otherwise.
Also, another good way to say it, not quite as wordy, right?
Until we hear otherwise. We should do an episode, Michelle, on otherwise.
Otherwise. I've never heard otherwise or in that context, right?
Until we hear otherwise or I love that. It sounds very native.
Yeah. okay i'll do it um okay so um and then i you said i guess we wait until they let us know when the policy is over a little bit wordy but here it's kind of sounds a little bit more natural here i think it's okay yeah exactly a hundred percent a little less formal actually Yeah.
So guys, with this Business English podcast, our goal is to show you what to be ready for at work.
You know what I mean? Maybe you are not the one sending this email or maybe you are.
Also, this might come out, this would probably most commonly actually come out from HR, human resources, I'm guessing, in a big company, in a big corporation.
Michelle, what do you think? Yeah, I think that would be very common.
A good, yeah. Yeah. So just to know what this really means and what to be ready for and, you know, yeah, what to expect verbally or by email.
What's another takeaway for our listeners today, Michelle?
Well, I mean, in general, I think it's very useful.
It's formal sounding. So I don't think that I think it's very good for the business world.
That's why it's on the Business English podcast, guys.
It alerts people, it prepares them, and it basically tells them, you don't need to keep asking me when something is going to happen.
Right, right, right. It's kind of it leaves you with that sense of not having too much control.
But you can certainly still ask questions.
You can inform your colleagues, you can talk about this, you can kind of speculate and see what's going on to try to figure out what's really happening inside the company.
Right. And I guess the key is here. I mean, for me, the key takeaway is always have other options with jobs.
You know, companies do go under sometimes it happens.
Right. So you always need to have your LinkedIn profile going, always be networking, always understanding what your value is in the market and where else you could go if things don't go so well with your company.
Right, Michelle? Right. Yeah. Good point.
Yeah. We'll leave it at that. All right.
Good stuff, Michelle. Thanks for hanging out with me today.
It's been fun as always. All right, Lindsay, you too.
Have a good day. Bye, everyone. Take care.
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