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Chinese President Xi Jinping has caught on China and Thailand to deepen trust and expand cooperation to counter global uncertainties.
The Chinese leader made the remark in a Thursday meeting with the visiting Thai Prime Minister Panzongtan Shennawa in Beijing.
Xi Jinping has called for more cooperations in fields including the digital economy and electric vehicles.
He has also said that China and Thailand should continue to strengthen law enforcement, security, and judicial cooperation to safeguard people's lives and property.
Panzongtan is on a four -day visit to China.
Her visit is coinciding with the 50th anniversary of China -Thailand diplomatic ties.
So joining us now online is Dr. Yang Xinhui, senior research fellow with the China Institute for International Studies.
So thank you very much for joining us today Dr. Yang Xinhui.
First of all, what do you think are some of the prominent global uncertainties that represent a challenge to both China and Thailand?
I think we should consider or think about uncertainties from two dimensions.
One dimension is the uncertainties from the new American administration.
Although Trump comes back to the White House, he will have a quite different policy orientation from his first term.
Such And the future uncertainty is not only have a big effect to American politics, but also to the whole world is actually, a very key reasons in Southeast Asia or Asia -Pacific.
So the reason why ultimately triggered by the new administration of Washington DC is the one reason the other reason is the whole world now is in fast changing with the greater alternatives, no, any single country can deal with the alternatives successfully under such backgrounds.
China and Southeast Asian countries, for example, China and Thailand, need to closer ties, closer coordination and collaborations.
Now, since you have already mentioned about Southeast Asia as a region, this time around, apart from the Thai Prime Minister, we understand the leader of Brunei is also making an official visit to China, and there was also a high -level meeting between Chinese leaders and the Brunei leader.
Now talking more about the ties between China and Thailand, a landmark cooperation project between the two sides right now is actually a high -speed railway that will link Bangkok, the Thai capital, with the southwestern Chinese city of Kuiming.
On Tuesday, Pantonton's cabinet formally approved the second phase of this program.
So what do you make of the economic potentials that this program might deliver to the region not only China and Thailand, but also other regional countries, I guess?
I think, it's a very quick question, and important question not only between China, but also between China and the whole ASEAN countries, simply because the project that you mentioned has notably contributed to the two sides, sustainable and inclusive development, but also for the sustainable and inclusive development all over the region.
because the project has been mentioned, that the high speed railway is a really a key part of the connectivity infrastructure in this region.
In fact, that project can play a role, as a leverage to enhance the economic growth, not only for China and, South China and the Thailand, But also the connectivity effects will spill over the related reasons.
Therefore, real high -speed railway projects will benefit all the related countries.
But in fact, I would say that project is not the single important issue of bilateral engagement at this time.
The wide range of cooperation ideas, plans, and projects are cultivated by this visit.
So I am confident that by this visit, we will see more effective and important projects covering wide range of areas.
— Hm, Thailand represents Southeast Asia's largest electric vehicle market.
And Chinese EV maker BYD opened a factory over there in Thailand sometime last year, its first -ever such plant in Southeast Asia.
So, how do you look at this great momentum in terms of the presence of Chinese EVs over there in Thailand?
What can Thailand gain from this?
In my decades long observation, Thailand has relatively a rich country about asking countries.
So Thailand is always leading the chance of consumption, for example, several decades ago, Motor cycles are very fashionable in Thailand and then the other countries in this region.
And now, Thai leads the world in the consumer market of an electrical vehicle.
But I believe that's only a starting point.
That means following Thailand's style, the other countries in this area will also become a bigger and bigger EV market.
Therefore, I think China's investment in EV projects in Thailand will not only mean the larger and a larger market in Thai, but also that will contribute greatly to the EV markets in the whole ASEAN countries.
And in this process, Thailand will become both largest EV, consumer area, country, but also will become a major contribution of production of EV for this region.
Prime Minister Patong Thai's arrival in Beijing coincides with Thailand's decision to cut cross -border electricity supplies to five locations in Myanmar that are linked to online scam centers.
During the past spring festival holidays, we understand there has been a decline in in terms of the number of Chinese tourists traveling to Thailand because of the perceived fear about those operational scam centers and the relevant human trafficking issues.
So Dr. Yang, going forward, are you confident that Thailand can somehow manage to restore the confidence of Chinese tourists?
Yes, firstly, I am very appreciative of very decisive actions taken by the Thai government, as you mentioned, simply because such actions stand a very strong role and express their strong determination to crack down the illegal migrant scam operations.
Plus, during the time Prime Minister visits, I believe that the two sides, the two governments, will strengthen, effectively by a bilateral cooperation, even the multilateral cooperation, to crack down illegal operations.
about cyber forces.
So with the strengthen the cooperation and a multi -domination act that determine the actions by Thai government, I think that terrible issue would be tiger effectively, and the security of the tourism market time will be improved.
With the improvement in the market's security, tourism security, I think Thai as a very attractive tourist hospice the confidence, not only from Chinese, but also from other country's tourists, will be recovered gradually.
The final question before we let you go, Dr. Yang.
In the bigger picture sense, what do you make of Thailand's position with regard to the US China relations or the so -called US China tension?
as we know, Bangkok is actually a non -NATO ally of the United States.
Many Western media analysts pointed out that Thai now is conducting drug use called Hijin between Washington and Beijing.
Now, I think that an analyst is a character.
I prefer to use the other term, say prior government based on their own national interests.
They are more careful and more independently deal with his relation with Beijing and Washington in balancing major, a manner.
In other words, instead of the so -called hygiene, That can bring some risk of benefits, but there are conducting policies say, violence is the term describing Thai policies towards the U .S.
and China. I understand that they are balancing position simply because, number one, Thai, like China, put the peace and the development and the moral priority So it's a simple Thai -US relationship, it's a Thai -China relationship.
It's the base and the foundation for the peace and development, by the same program.
China also needs a stabilized situation based on the stabilized relation with US.
So in other words, Because the more sophisticated the balancing policies between Thai and the U .S., Thai, China, the more benefits for Thai.
But on the other hand, a careful balancing policy can keep this region in the relative so that we can contribute, we can make a joint effort to contribute for the sustainable development and prosperity.
I think, in this area, I don't think China and Thai have a complicated interest on the U .S.
policy. In fact, both China and Thai need a stable relation with the U .S.
by the same token. I think the US also needed a stable relation with China.
So in a triangle relation should not be in a conflict became a model.
And now at least the China and the time have to make a joint efforts to make the triangle relation in a stable and cooperative style rather than conflict style.
I think that is mainstream data dynamics.
Your points well taken, but thank you very much for joining us, and for your analysis.
That was Dr. Yang Xinyi, Senior Research Fellow at the China Institute of International Studies.
Coming up, the ninth Asian Winter Games are fully ready to open in the Chinese city of Harbin.
Stay tuned. You're listening to World Today, I'm Din Heung -Bae Jin.
Chinese President Xi Jinping will attend the opening ceremony of the ninth Asian Winter Games, which will be held in the northeastern Chinese city of Harbin.
The game's organizing committee said on Thursday that all preparations for the upcoming ceremony are fully ready.
This will be the third time that China has hosted the Asian Winter Games.
Harbin was chosen as the host city back in July 2023.
So, joining us now underlying as Professor Wang Zhenxu from the School of Public Administration was Zhejiang University.
Thank you very much for joining us, Professor.
Thank you for having me.
Thank you. Okay, so Professor, one message that we have kept hearing from the organizing committee in the days leading up to the Asian Winter Games is that the Games is going to promote the growth of the winter sports population in Asia.
So, why is there a need for Asia's winter sports population to grow?
Well, I think it is important for every sport to grow.
So for sure. The thing about winter sports is highly dependent on the geographical location of a certain country to be able to participate.
In Asia, it's a very large continent with many countries in the tropical, sub -tropical area.
So if those countries can also have access to enjoy ice sports, winter sports, that will be a great promotion of Asian community and unity.
So the first edition of this Asian Winter Games can actually stretch back to 1986, but why do you think this upcoming 9th edition will be the largest in terms of participating delegations and athletes for example?
Well, basically, this is a good thing about the world despite so many difficulties in geopolitical matters.
The world is still moving toward more exchange, more engagement, and more inter -country interstate community building.
And sports are always a good venue to do this thing, to promote a unity of people.
So, in Asian and winter sport, like I said, used to be restricted to countries that are rich and countries that are in the northern, most of the northern belt of the region.
It is actually a great thing that more and more countries, even those countries that are in the tropical or sub -tropical areas can participate.
And I'm not sure whether my impression is correct, but according to what I have gathered from all my information, the next edition of this Asian Winter Games is to be held in Saudi Arabia.
Well, that's really a big wow.
So Asia, when we talked about Asia, it actually includes East Asia, South Asia, ASEAN countries, Central Asia, and part of middle eastern countries.
It is a very dynamic and diverse continent for sure.
So Professor Won, with that in mind, to what extent do you think this upcoming game can promote Asian unity, which seems to be another agenda or another goal for this event?
Well, like I said, sports is always a good thing, very, very useful venue to promote interstate or intercontinental exchange in connections.
And the thing about winter sport, and you mentioned something about the next edition hosting in a country that traditionally is not easily related to winter sports.
Not only because of technology, because of the environment, even in tropical countries, you can build indoor facilities for people to enjoy winter sports.
And in China too, I live in Shanghai, and now even in summer you can go to the indoor ski facilities.
So it's a thing, the sports sport and also winter sports, it's a thing that excited people.
And then you give common interests to many people.
So that is a usable way to promote a sense of togetherness, a sense of friendship and so on.
So one thing that is pretty much relevant to this upcoming games in Harbin is that no one needs a reminder about the tourism boom we have seen in this particular city in some of the most recent years, or actually in most recent winters.
So do you see this phenomenon as a temporary occurrence driven by people's short -term curiosity or something else, something more long -lasting, Professor?
So definitely, this is not temporarily.
I think the are several angles to look at this.
One is the province of Heilongjiang, in general, the northeastern provinces have found in tourism a new area to promote their own provincial economy and also to promote the visibilities of these provinces.
And, you know, actually for I think 10 or 12 years ago, the Harbine was already a forerunner of promoting summer tourism to attract people living in the south that want to escape the winter, the summer hot.
But now, in the last two or three years, they suddenly realize, actually winter is also for golden time to promote tourism.
So that's one thing, one angle.
The other is in general, the whole Chinese population because of the rising living standard, more and more people can enjoy holidays, can enjoy fly away holidays.
And then people like to go to farming places.
Southern people like to fly to North to enjoy a winter holiday and so on.
So this reflects overall increase in people's living standards.
And winter, the ice tourism is very exotic to many people.
In the past people, people are apprehensive of the Northern cold.
Now they found in Kothai, you actually can have a lot of fun.
So more than promise, have advantage in promoting this winter tourism.
Now, some people say the developments, or the high -quality development, to use an official terminology of the snow and ice economy in China needs a larger international stage.
What is your take, Professor?
I think that's definitely correct.
It's a good start that domestic tourists are coming to the northern provinces both for the summer holidays and for winter holidays.
But there's a great potential for China to become a destination for winter holidays.
Like what Japan and South Korea has been, those two countries are very good at attracting Southeast Asian tourists for winter tourism, winter sports, and so China can have that.
China has its own advantage.
It's very large in size.
You can offer much more diverse destinations even to enjoy winter sports or relocation or snow mountains.
You don't have to always come to northeastern China.
You can go to Yunnan, you can go to Xijiang.
So China has a great advantage to become an international destination for this kind of winter or cold weather tourism.
Okay, I take your point.
So I guess the geographical vastness of China definitely proved to be Then combine China's cuisine and also first -class infrastructure in terms of trains, airports, and so on, yes.
So the final question before we let you go, Professor Wang, was regarding China's national development strategy to revitalize its northeastern part of region.
What do you think are some of the main difficulties and what kind of momentum would you expect this upcoming winter winter games to generate for this particular development strategy?
Yes, that's a very much larger question.
It has been an important issue for China in for the last 20 years or so that the northeastern provinces are facing some economic or economical structural problems.
You have a declining population, the province was from the 1950s, was a major base for heavy industry, and now it is losing its competitiveness compared to provinces like Zhejiang, your hometown Zhejiang and like southern China, Guangdong and so on.
So there have been proposals regarding how to revitalize that region.
And one, I think besides tourism, which is actually a, let me just say the tourism, and also now it is at the frontier of international cooperation with Russia, with the Russian economy.
And so these are some good advantages you can take.
But at the same time, people are saying And it also needs to rebuild its manufacturing, industrial strength, industrial capacity.
And these kind of international sports events, like other international expos and so on, can make the region more visible, more attractive to international investors.
Yeah. Visibility is the key issue here.
Your points well taken.
Professor Wang Junsui joining us from Zhejiang University.
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China and the United States have thrown their first punches in terms of a new trade war launched by US president Donald Trump.
China has officially complained to the World Trade Organization against the U .S.
decision to impose additional 10 % tariffs on Chinese goods.
Now, the board is in the U .S.
court where we talk about how this trade war or trade conflict is going to develop going forward.
Now actually between 2018 and 2019, the first Trump administration imposed the tariffs on more than $550 billion US dollars' worth of Chinese imports and China retaliated with tariffs on more than $185 billion worth of American goods.
So looking back, what lessons can the US learn from its trade war with China back then?
Joining us now underlying is Dr. Yew Tianlong, associate professor from Yunnan University.
So thank you very much for joining us, Professor Yew.
Now actually three weeks before he launched his trade war with China in March 2018, Donald Trump touted on his personal social media account that, quote, trade wars are good and easy to win.
How would you look at his comment here in retrospect?
The U .S.-China trade war did not lead to a decisive U .S.
victory, apparently.
Instead, the trade will result in economic pain on both sides.
We have been witnessing supply -chain disruptions and global market uncertainties, and the even trade policies issued by both countries.
And we also can safely conclude that inflation during the Biden administration partly resulted from the trade war, which Biden extended, help Trump's return.
So the Trump administration should bear in mind that trade war is costly to the United States.
Also, China has proven a tough negotiator, despite Trump's personal ties with Chinese leadership, it took two years last time to conclude a deal.
Now the negotiation could be longer.
If not, then the so -called outcomes of the negotiation were just a stage show.
The reality of trade war was far more complex than his claims.
So, a few studies have suggested that the trade war at the time cost the U .S.
economy hundreds of thousands of drops and somewhere between 0 .3 and 0 .7 % of US GDP.
Also, numerous studies have found that US companies primarily paid for the additional US tariffs on Chinese goods at the time, and this burden was ultimately shifted towards American consumers.
What do you make of those studies' conclusions?
Do you think they're credible and trustworthy?
I think those studies were trustworthy and very credible because I have been doing research in the world's capital of small commodities for years since 2018 as well.
And I have been witnessing China's global supply chain has been getting more resilient.
So it had been seven years since the near the beginning of the trade war so far.
the manufacturing power has been moving to Southeast Asia, European countries, Latin America, and almost everywhere.
So China's industrialists and business -person, they don't sit idly to deal with those trade policies.
They move proactively to everywhere.
but to be fair, both Trump and Biden administrations made a lot of efforts to draw the manufacturers to the United States, or at least near shore.
However, the problem is, the United States does not produce that many high -skilled, hard -working blue -collar workers anymore.
Not for a large number of jobs.
The industrialization is not just, okay, I build a factory and then I can produce a lot of jobs for people is a delicate process that encompasses from population growth to educational system, to profit distribution system, to almost everything that United States simply stand away a generation ago.
So I think it also take at least a generation to build back better.
So actually, based on what you have elaborated, based upon that actually a major complaint for Trump at the time was that was about the US trade deficit was China now in this regard that it tells us that between 2018 and 2019 there was indeed a decline in in terms of the US trade deficit was China because of the trade conflict launched by Trump however the overall US trade deficit was the rest of world didn't decrease at all.
Why do you think that was the case?
Because the United States have to buy something from somewhere, either from China directly.
Okay? Where are the major manufacturer for everything to the whole world or from other countries those.
Just like I mentioned earlier, Southeast Asian country, Latin American countries, Right now, they become a nice place for Chinese manufacturers' relocation.
So they either buy from us or they buy from somewhere else.
So they have to buy from outside.
And like I mentioned just now, they don't have their own manufacturing sector for light industries, for small commodities.
They have to spend their money somewhere.
That's the fundamental reality.
trade deficit are not a function of trade policy but also a macro economic factor such as domestic consumption, investment flows, and the strength of the U .S.
dollar. Simply imposing tariffs on China did not change these underlying economic forces.
Hmm so in January 2020 the U .S.
and China ended up signing a phase 1 trade deal at the time.
That particular deal, which we know covered issues like increased goods purchases from China from the United States like agricultural products as well as Chinese commitments on things like intellectual property, protection, currency, etc. That deal actually largely resembled the offer that Beijing had put on the table from the very start.
So with that in mind, do you think for the US at the time, that trade war with China was worth it?
My opinion, maybe something you earn through efforts is not the same thing you receive without making such efforts.
We should really look at what the US really wants the decline of the trade deficit.
That's it. Maybe that's one thing.
But also, the US also want to rebuild its industrial capacities.
The US have to generate uncertainties in so doing.
It seems like the US got nothing new from the deal, but indeed, the United States made many companies think twice when they decided to invest China.
They had to design a China plus one supply strategy and increasingly get in line with the United States.
But also it's good for us in some way.
Just like I said, our global supply chain becomes more resilient.
Our strategy all of a sudden becomes not just a necessity but become something every company should think about.
Right now, we are talking, if you don't go out, you lose, right?
And also the trade war did deal a big blow to us.
We also lost a lot of the F .D .I.
over the last few years, partly due to the intensification of the trade war.
So like we said earlier, no one's winning.
But everybody is becoming stronger in some way.
Hmm, interesting analysis.
That was Dr. Yoh Jie and Long, associate professor from Yunnan University.
Thank you very much for joining us.
Coming up, Trump has returned to maximum pressure on Iran.
We'll be back. Some say it's the art of the deal.
Others argue it's extortion and blackmail.
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you're listening to world today I'm ding hunting by jane US President Donald Trump has restored his maximum pressure campaign against Iran.
He has signed an executive order promising to drive Iran's oil exports down to zero in order to stop Tehran from obtaining a nuclear weapon.
Iran's foreign minister has warned that this particular strategy would fail once again as was the case during Trump's first term in the office.
He has also signaled Tehran's willingness to discuss the nuclear program.
So joining us now in the studio is my colleague Zhao Ying.
Thank you very much for joining us.
Thanks for having me.
Donald Trump has, seems he has on one hand, restored this so -called maximum pressure campaign while on the other hand, he has signaled a kind of willingness to negotiate.
For example, he said that Iran should have reached a quote, a verified nuclear peace agreement, unquote, which he says the United States should have begun to work on immediately.
So how, what is your interpretation about these mixed messages, I would say?
Well, actually Trump showed some kind of reluctance in signing the, this executive order.
He told reporters that everyone wants him to sign it, but he was unhappy to do it.
And he also made it clear that his ultimate goal is to prevent Iran from acquiring nuclear weapons.
He invited Iran to negotiate a new deal to dismantle his nuclear infrastructure.
But as he indicated, any such deal would likely extend beyond nuclear issues, which are with stipulations on addressing Iran's broader role in the region as well.
And in the meantime in a post in his truth social platform, Trump said reporters that the US and Israel were preparing to blow Iran into smithereens were greatly exaggerated.
So I feel that he's trying to strike a balance there.
It also could be his tactic to gain more leverage in the negotiations probably, and he clearly wants to maintain a strong stance, but he is also open to negotiations, perhaps sensing that future confrontation might only escalate tensions without achieving the desired outcome.
And this strategy isn't entirely new.
And I believe Trump's ultimate hope appears to be that Iran will engage in a new round of talks agreeing to a verified nuclear peace agreement, that would both prevent Iran from obtaining nuclear weapons and address its regional activities.
But the question is, will Iran believe that this path offers a legitimate opportunity for de -escalation, or will it perceive dissections and threats as a continuation of a policy that ultimately seeks regime change?
So I feel that instead of emphasizing the maximum pressure policy, it's perhaps more important for the Trump administration to show more sincerity to go back to the negotiating table if it really wants to reach a deal with Iran.
I see. So, as we look back at Donald Trump's maximum pressure campaign or strategy during his first term in the office, how effective was it really in terms of achieving its stated purposes, its stated objectives?
What lessons, by the way, do you think can be drawn from the implementation at the time?
Well, the Maximum Pressure Strategy, as we know, was initiated by Trump in 2018.
It aimed to compel Iran to renegotiate a better deal than the JCPOA.
And while the campaign significantly reduced Iran's oil exports and financial reserves, it did not achieve its primary objective of bringing Iran back to the negotiating table for a new agreement.
And instead, Iran expanded its nuclear program, enriching uranium to higher levels and increasing its stockpile, which also heightened regional tensions.
And also, this maximum pressure approach even pushed the U .S.
and Iran close to a war.
And in the meantime, it inflicted severe hardships on the Iranian people.
The extensive sanctions imposed on Iranian banks severely liberated humanitarian aid and impeded economic stability, and the sanctions also contributed to high inflation and food shortages and hindered access to health care, including shortages of some essential drugs for life -threatening diseases.
So I think that the failure of the maximum pressure policy in Trump's first term has already proved that it is impossible to use sanctions to bring Iran back to the negotiating table, and it highlighted the necessity of diplomatic efforts to effectively address the Iran nuclear issue.
So on the Iranian side, how would you assess Iran's willingness to enter negotiations with the United States?
Well, Tehran has expressed a cautious openness to diplomacy, I think, because on the one hand, the foreign minister said Trump's maximum pressure policy will fail once again, just as it did in his first term.
But in the mean time, a senior Iranian official told media that Iran is ready to give US diplomacy another chance and that came a day after Trump reinstated this maximum pressure campaign.
And I think this is partly due to Iran's economic difficulties because while Iranian leaders have downplayed the impact of sanctions, the reality is that Iran's economic isolation has become increasingly unsustainable, and especially Iran's reformist factions, they are pushing for diplomatic engagement with the U .S.
to secure sanctions relief and reintegrate into the global economy.
But on the other hand, the hardliners within Iran remain more skeptical of talks, particularly after the U .S.
withdrew from the 2015 nuclear deal, the JCPOA, under Trump's first term.
So they do not want Iran to make further concessions this time.
And Iran is also concerned about the possibility of Israeli interference, which could derail any potential deal.
And as I mentioned earlier, another sticking point is that, although Iran has indicated that it is open to resolving the nuclear issues diplomatically, the US stance appears to be that any agreement would likely need to address broader regional issues which could significantly influence Iran's role in the region.
So, I think both Iran and the U .S.
have shown certain degree of willingness to inter -talks, but it is necessary for both sides to make concessions and find common ground amid years of distrust and divergent strategic interests.
So, given the fact that the United States was ruled from the JCPOA under Trump 1 .0, and Iran has since advanced its nuclear program.
What do you believe are some of the chances with regard to resurrecting this agreement in its original form or do you think there needs to be a new framework maybe?
I think it's perhaps unlikely to resurrect the agreement in the original firm and there will probably needs to be a new framework or at least a modified version of the JCPOA, because first of all, since the U .S.
exited the JCPOA, Iran has steadily increased its nuclear capabilities, which already violated the terms of the regional agreement, and this has significantly reduced the confidence that the U .S.
and its allies had in Iran's commitment to a purely peaceful nuclear program.
And Iran, for Iran returning to the original limits of the JCPOA would be difficult because it would require dismantling many of the advancements it has made over the past few years.
And secondly, I think Trump's withdrawal from the JCPOA was a significant blow to the agreements credibility.
It leaves Iran with a strong sense of betrayal and many in Iran view the original JCPOA as flawed because they believe it is too heavily reliant on US goodwill.
And even if the Biden administration or the Trump administration is willing to re -enter the deal, there is a growing sentiment within Iran that it can no longer depend on US promises, especially when future administrations could easily reverse any agreement.
So I think that's why it is almost unlikely to resurrect the JCPOA in its original term.
And what is more probable is to create a new framework.
Ok, your point is well taken.
Thank you very much for joining us.
That was my colleague Jiaoyin.
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OpenAI has announced that its chat GPT search feature has been rolled out to all users without the need to sign up or log in.
OpenAI launched its chat GPT web search feature in late October sometime last year.
It is directly integrated into the AI chatbot of chat GPT.
In recent reports from search engine optimization company Sam Rush has found that while Google still has billions of more search users than chat GPT, OpenAI's chatbot product is beginning to send growing or increasing search traffic to some third party websites.
So joining us now underlying is Professor Quchiang from Minzu University of China.
Thank you very much for joining us.
thank you. So professor, how do you think users might change their online search habits as new options like ChadGPT search become increasingly widely available?
Oh yes I think this is actually ChadGPT has adopted this function very very late.
I think in China we have many competitors, counterparts like Kiwi, like Doba, like what is very hot today, Deepsea, they already have this search functions.
So we have a saying in China that ChatGBT actually is the first one running into the prom, but didn't date the most beautiful girl, the prom queen.
But I think they're trying to catch up and demand up for their shortages.
And if they adopt such a function, I think in the future, a lot of things will change in the regard of the search.
For example, previously, when we tried to search, we just type in the keyword into Google search bar and then they give you a least of the search links and that's it.
You need to click open each one and identify which information is useful by yourself in a reorganize all the results you found on the web pages.
Among all the links, but right now everything has been changed.
For example, you do not need to type in the key word.
You can use natural language just to raise questions like a normal person to another normal person and all the result can be, you know, much more for, uh, uh, concluded and also been put out in the other natural language.
You don't need to go through a lot of a rubbish information.
Lots of, uh, you know, advertisement, you directly get the result.
So it's going to be very, very effective and a plus chat GPC provided not only the answer, but also a lot of the links so you can trace back at the source that increase the credibility.
And also, I think all the answers can be more accurate and more spontaneous.
So I think that will largely reduce our reliance on the search engine and also change what's dominant to the search model right now by Google.
For example, the advertisement business model, the technology model means how we can capture all these web pages and provide them for the researchers.
And also there are gonna be new challenges for the privacy and etc and also for the So third party information providers, because chat GPT can go in through them and filter them down.
So in a future, they're probably going to be only the top and the most of prime information providers surviving.
The other third party pages who is going to just re -Twit information, they're probably going to be filtered down, has no traffic data at all.
So now that chat GPT search has become a direct arrival of Google.
Can you put your fingers on some of the major factors, key factors that will somehow determine whether chat GPT search can seriously challenge the market dominance enjoyed by Google?
Yes, I think, where they can challenge Google would have just made it very, very clear.
It's like chat GPT is on top of google and all the information it can search.
and they can conclude and also streamline all the infos, pick up the most important infos for the customers and directly.
So I think that is very, very important.
And also you can use a natural language for the searches.
And that is more in line with the people's and natural behavior.
But on top of that, I don't think right now chatGBD can be the ultimate challenge for the Google and its dominance.
I think the reason is that Google still dominant the search engine.
Every day they can to deal with more than 13 or maybe 100 trillion times of the search every day.
That's definitely more than what we can handle through the chat g media or deep seek and also they can conclude a lot of things inside of it for example multi modules like the transcript like the voices like the pictures and etc and also they have a very healthy you know a money flow for example 90 % of the Google's money come from all the advertisement and all this ecology.
But chat GBD has not burning money.
So I think Google is more, you know, sustainable rather than just a burden of money.
And also we have to see the food ecology has been supporting Google to go a longer time.
For example, we have Gmail, Android, and also Google has its own AI.
So if one day Google tried to block chat GBD access towards its search result, I don't think chat GBD can go any further.
And also, in the future, probably chat.
He's going to he's going to face some other problems.
For example, the what we call the lying problem because the AI can lie about the things, even though they don't know about the answer, but they can make it up, like it knows everything.
So I think it's still in a short term, Google will still have its dominance.
Okay. So do you think the search feature of chat .com will raise questions from will raise questions about OpenAI's link to Microsoft from a business or corporate structure perspective, as we know Microsoft represents a major investor in OpenAI and Microsoft itself is also trying to expand the reach of its Bing search engine against Google.
No, I think this is more of a business or commercial question, rather than a logical I think chat gbd right now can not be solely rely on Bing because Bing, well still suck when it comes to the search engine of technology of Google.
So if open I fully rely on Bing and Microsoft probably it's going to weaken its own capability and meanwhile there's another problem because Microsoft is also trying to promote its own AI the co -pilot.
So it's actually like to rather fight in one house and also certainly is about the legal problems.
For example, right now if open eye really grows very fast with Microsoft and Bing, probably they will be identified not only in America, but also in many other continents and countries as a monopoly.
So you will face a lot of anti -monopoly investigations and penalty.
Just to take a look at the Google plus, Andrew, that monopoly case.
There can be a problem, maybe in the future they're going be forced to split up.
So I think in the future, the marriage of OpenAI and Microsoft can be good, but also be bad for the growth of the chat GBT.
Thank you very much for joining us.
That was Shuchiang joining us from Mingzhou University of China.
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