It is always, always fun to bring a friend on the show.
And I'm so delighted to be bringing a friend on today, Miss Kendall Jenner.
You know her, you love her.
She's Kendall Jenner. For the one person out there that maybe doesn't know, I like almost feel like, I don't even know how to introduce her because of course you know her.
But just in case there's one person out there who doesn't have a phone, Kendall Jenner is a model entrepreneur and media personality.
She's the founder of A1-8 Tequila, which I've enjoyed on many nights out.
And actually A1-8 Tequila has collaborated with my coffee brand, Chamberlain Coffee, and we made in a Spreza Martini kit, which was a delightful experience and a delightful drink.
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A1-8 if you haven't. Kendall is also an incredible model.
She's walked many, many shows, been on the cover of Vogue internationally, many times, Harper's Bazaar, Allure, the list goes on.
And it all started on the show that we all know and love keeping up with the Kardashians in E-Series, which is now in Hulu.
And we've fallen in love with Kendall over the years.
Kendall has been in the public eyes and she was 10 years old, which is something that gives me the chills to think about.
I can't imagine what that experience was like for her and even though we're friends.
I've not really discussed that with her very much.
So I'm excited to learn more about what that experience was like for her.
And how she manages, being one of the most well-known public figures in the world and how she manages being a part of one of the most famous families in the world because although I think there are very many beautiful things about that experience and things that add to her life and make her life more fulfilling, I can imagine there are also a slew of challenges.
And I'm excited to discuss these things with Kendall.
She's a delightful person, a very sweet person, a very generous person.
And I just absolutely adore her.
And I'm excited that she's on the show.
And I'm excited to chat with her.
We're gonna chat it up. Just girls chatting and let's bring her in.
Here's Kendall Jenner.
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I think my first question is, do you like interviews?
I do in this setting. Like I do now, especially when it feels like, whether it's meaningful things.
I mean, I think I like that in life in general, but something that's meaningful for sure.
And you're my friend. And I feel like I love feeling really comfortable.
Yes. And like safe. I think that's really important for me because there's been experiences in my life that don't feel very safe.
So, or maybe I feel like I was naive or young or didn't have much of a say in certain things.
So I like environments where I feel like, like we just sat down and we started by having.
I don't want to feel nervous and anxious and all those things.
Like it's totally too much.
It's nice to have it be a hang.
We also know that you're in control of the way that things are presented to the outside world.
Like it's not like you're going into talking to me and you're concerned that I'm going to cut around and make you look a certain way that's bad.
Yeah. Which I think is something that when it comes to press is like it's out of our control.
There's so much lack of control of your own narrative.
And I think that it's exactly, I'm a control freak by nature too.
And I think that you surrender to a lot being like the industry that we're in.
You surrender to so much false narrative or rumors or whatever false stories or anything.
You surrender to a lot and the things that people want to create for you.
So I think, yeah, it's special to be able to have, I guess the privilege that we do, which is being able to say like, I feel comfortable here and I'm okay to do this and whatever.
So I hope that answers your question.
No, I can't do that. I'm so glad that you're here.
Yeah, I know you too. Something interesting about you is that you are very public in a lot of ways and you've been very public since you were really young.
But I feel like a lot of people don't know like certain little things about you, such as like what time you wake up and what.
And like what your favorite breakfast is?
Yeah. I was thinking about this when I was driving here today.
I was like, I actually don't know like what, and even though I'm your friend.
Like, I don't know these little innocent things about you.
And so I'm gonna start out by asking you a few little things that I'm just genuinely curious about.
Okay, number one, what time do you wake up in the morning for the most part?
For the most part, I'm like, I mean, today I was up at like 7.30.
I like, and like that was a little or a little more on the early side, but I was just on the East Coast.
So I think that I'm a little bit jet lag, but I like getting up early.
If I don't have to, if I don't have work, I don't want to force myself.
But I also enjoy like getting a full day.
I'm like, I'm the type of person like I don't know, I've only had like a couple of all nighters in my life.
Wow. And like, what, they give me anxiety.
Like, I like, if the sun's coming up and I'm still awake, like I have full anxiety, because I like, I like to be productive during my day.
I totally get it. Whatever.
So I actually enjoy getting up quite early.
I think on average, I'm getting up like 8.30.
Okay. And like, yeah, like around 8.30 and I like to get up and either go to the gym or go ride or something and like do something active when I get up.
I always forget that you ride horses.
Yeah. It's a therapeutic, you know, activity in general, but there's something so nostalgic.
Like, I don't know, like, did you have something, like did you have a sport or like a creative thing that you did when you were younger?
Okay. Well, I don't know if you want to get back into cheer.
No, but I think about it sometimes.
I'm like, I would go to a gym and like tumble.
Yeah. And I would, I've actually done it a few times since I quit cheer and I fucking loved it.
And I think that there's something special about that experience of like doing something when you were a kid that was so genuinely, like there was no reason why you loved it so much or whatever.
It was so genuine for me to ride and be around horses.
And to, I stopped for a while and to come back to it as an adult, there was just something like, there's something so like, I feel very grounded.
I feel very like, I feel like a kid again, total inner child work.
Like it's, it's actually kind of amazing in that way.
So I don't know. I love that.
Yeah. Last but not least, if you run, if you had to eat one meal for the rest of your life, what would it be?
You can do multiple, like a genre.
Should I pick like a? It could be a genre.
It could be like a random assortment of like four things, but a meal.
Like if you had to eat one meal for the rest of your life.
Okay, see, you're putting a lot of pressure on me giving you like a wild answer.
But I'm like, I, it could be something I honestly think like, weirdly like a craft mac and cheese is like more interesting.
Oh, so good. So good. Annie's is better, but there's things, you think so?
I do. Okay. What else? I like, there's something about crap going back to nostalgia.
I was like, craft is just like, there's some things in the special about it.
Like, it is special. There's, there's nothing.
And it left over craft like the next day.
It's like a block. Oh yeah, I was literally taken out of the fridge fold and just start like cutting junk off.
Like that's the last thing.
I don't know. I, I always say like, I feel like I've, you know, within friend groups, just like you would get asked this question or when you're drunk or something, I don't know.
But I feel like I love Italian.
Like I, there's not, there's so many options within Italian food.
And I think that I could, because I think if you, like, I was thinking about sushi for a second and I was like, but I feel like it's, although there are probably a lot more options than I've tried, I feel like it's a little more limiting.
Like I think Italian has like everything almost.
Like if there's so many options.
And I think that like I've been on trips to Italy where you just go eat pasta every day all day and I never get sick of it.
Yes. Like I think it's that.
I mean, something that I won't get sick of.
You can really, there are so many different pasta shapes and despite what people think, they all taste different.
They are. So it's very, all, every, penny is a different food than spaghetti.
There's different meaning.
And so like I just need to get that out of the way before I now ask you really deep questions and it's gonna get really weird.
No, it's not gonna be weird.
It's gonna be so like, I make it weird.
We might start crying. I can't wait.
So I constantly think about your childhood being your friend.
You do. Which is like really weird.
Okay. I like, I don't know.
I just, I got into the public eye at like 16 and not even nearly to the scale that you have experienced.
And I had such a profound like level of challenge with it.
Like it was so hard. And I'm just now sort of figuring it out and getting to a place where like I'm able to manage the psychological impact.
That's a blessing that you've gotten there as well.
I don't even know. And I still don't have it figured out.
But like I think about if it would have happened to me younger and how that would have impacted me.
And I'm like, I can't tell like would you say that it's made you sort of immune in some ways?
I know that the answer is no, but maybe in some ways yes, has it made you immune in some ways?
Do you feel like you have a thicker skin because of it?
Has it maybe had the opposite impact and made you more vulnerable in some ways?
Like what do you think that how do you think that has impacted your mental state throughout the years?
I think it's like a little bit of everything almost.
Like it has made me tougher, but it also has made me a little bit more vulnerable or maybe a little sensitive to certain things.
But I think also like there is, there is no comparison in like how it happened to you and how it happened to me.
But I think that it was like different times also because you think about like when our show started there wasn't Instagram, there wasn't, there wasn't social media like it is today.
So I think that it was just a little different.
It almost felt like I thought about it before where like it's a little Hannah Montana-y in the way of like I didn't have a disguise or I didn't have like a physical shift.
But I think that there was a sense, and I say Kylie and I, because she's not only my sister, but we're so close in age and I very thankfully got to do it with like a partner, you know what I mean?
And we went to school. Like we went to school as long as we could.
I started homeschool 11 and 12.
I did homeschool 11th and 12th grade.
But up until then I did regular school.
So even though we had a TV show at home, we were going to regular school all day and had our friends that we had from before the show started.
So I owe a lot of like I think the ease to it, which it wasn't always easy, but it did feel kind of normal just because we were in school for so long and we did have our group of friends and we lived as much of like a normal life as I think was possible.
And I'm like so grateful for that.
Because I do feel like although there were definitely struggles, especially when we got a little bit older and people started to like kind of care about me and Kylie's life more than when we were like, I was 10 I think when the show started.
So it took a few years till people started to like invest maybe and like indoor lives and whatever and things started to shift.
But I think another thing that we really had that was really something I'm grateful for is it kind of grew as we got older.
So it was a little bit, I want to say gradual.
You know, I have friends who've had an overnight experience and I don't know if you feel like maybe your experience was slightly overnight or fast.
It was pretty fast. As an outsider, I would say your experience was kind of fast.
Like I feel like you were, yeah, you grew really quickly on YouTube and stuff, right?
And I think there's a little bit of a difference maybe in impact but also with like the time of social media.
Like I grew with social media as well as growing with like the fame I guess.
But definitely so many challenges.
Definitely. I also think it made me grow up a little faster maybe.
There was like a level of maturity that I found.
I was always relatively, I think mature kid.
But I think there was a level of maturity that also had to grow really quickly.
Like I was working at a really young age.
I was traveling alone at a pretty young age.
Traveling the world. Not alone alone.
I was with obviously my agent who's also my really good friend.
But without my parents, without my family and all those things.
So a little bit of early growth as well.
And I don't know, I'm grateful for my experience.
I have to say, because I also know that there are people that might have it, that it might be really tough for them.
And especially in the mental health space of it all, I think that I've obviously had my moments even as a kid.
And I think Kylie and I had to go through very adult things at a really young age.
And I don't know. Like a lot of internet hate at a really young age.
Would you actually like a lot of us have experienced and even just like, yeah, just weird stuff like that.
But overall, I am really grateful.
Because I think it could have been a lot worse.
And I think that Kylie and I, the one thing that we really had was a lot of stability, a lot of love, and a really great support system and really great friends.
So it felt like we could remove ourselves a lot of the time and feel really normal.
Also, too, I think having your family be all kind of, I never really thought about this until now, which is bizarre because it's so obvious.
But it's like, it's all kind of scaling at the same time.
So it's like, you know, you and Kylie are going through it at the same time.
But also, you know, your other sisters.
And then also, even, you know, your parents.
And it's like, it's all happening to everyone at once.
Yeah. So it's like, you can go to anyone, you know, of your closest loved ones.
And you can have these conversations with anyone.
It's like, which I think is probably really helpful.
And it's probably also interesting to watch how, you know, your different family members have responded to these things and, you know, their different perspectives and their different responses to it.
Well, they're also older.
So we got to see them make mistakes as well.
We learn from them in positive ways, too.
But I think that that's where Kylie and I also get kind of the privacy aspect of like our personal lives, which our sisters were always really open with, especially on like the earlier days of our show and all of that.
But it's just kind of been something that I think we learned from not in a negative way at all, but just kind of like took it and said, this is how I would personally deal with like my journey.
And no shame or blame to how anyone else would deal with theirs.
But I think that was just, those are just things you pick up on.
So I think there's also an aspect of us being really grateful that we had older siblings that we got to see do things before us or like, yeah, like lead us in a way.
I feel like one of the biggest challenges that comes with being in the public eye, especially at your scale, is sort of being a societal punching bag.
I, I again, think about this all the time because you reach a certain level of fame, of notoriety, and it is inevitable.
It's just inevitable and it's gonna happen.
You can't do anything really.
It's just, it's just what happens.
How do you deal with that?
I do and I don't, I'd say I think that it's part of the long journey that I've had of like, I guess that's where the tough skin aspect comes in.
But I'd be lying to you if I said I haven't fallen victim to like, of course.
Oh my God, like that sucks, but that's like a narrative.
Like that's just so not true or that's not who I am.
Like there's definitely a frustration and me again being a control freak or being someone who like, everybody wants to be understood.
And to feel like I want to live a private life, but then that also kind of means sometimes not having control over a narrative or maybe giving space for someone else to create the narrative.
That can get kind of frustrating to feel like, oh, that's a misunderstanding or like, you've completely misunderstood me and you know, you want to like be, you want to like, almost respond to everything or like, try and prove people wrong.
But I've learned my lesson and especially as I get older, with stuff like that is like staying like level and being authentic to like exactly who you are and knowing your worth and knowing who you are and then being able to sit back and like, take the high road in a way and be like, you know what?
What's the point in addressing something that's one not not even true?
And then two, like, not going to change anything even if I do.
I think that that's almost been my power is like being able to sit back and be comfortable with it at this point and be like, anybody who needs to know who I am will know who I am and anybody who really matters to me or who comes close to me, like they'll see and I almost kind of love the like, proving people wrong or like, people might walk into it being like, I have an idea of this because of what I've
seen on the internet and then being pleasantly surprised is like, I'm cool with that.
Like I'm happy to be, I'm also like such a Scorpio.
I'm like, I don't want to give everybody everything, you know what I mean?
So when someone means, when someone means something to me and something feels really special or sacred to me, like, I'm really happy that they get to experience that version of me.
Totally. And it feels almost special to that person as well.
So I can't give you like a straight up answer of like, what has helped me or what has changed things or what has fixed, I don't know, whatever.
But I think that it's a long process.
It's a long, it is years I am 28.
This journey started when I was 10.
And like, I think that it's been a really long time for me to get to where I am now.
And it's never gonna be, there's never like an end to the like process of healing or the process of like figuring out your way.
Like it's always, I don't know, changing and evolving and absolutely.
Whatever. So let's get into modeling a bit.
Okay. I think a lot of people romanticize it and are like, this is the dream, like this is the dream job.
Like just being beautiful and, and you know, getting to wear these beautiful clothes and doing all these things.
But as with all things, there's incredible elements such as, you know, why people romanticize the line of work.
But then there's also, you know, challenges with it that I think are less considered.
And I'm curious to hear what have been sort of, the parts of modeling that are maybe the most romanticized that don't maybe match that in reality.
In the sense, like, you know, not to shit on modeling at all as a, in any way, or to shit on the experience, or to like take away from the magic that I can imagine that that career path can bring.
But more to sort of just shed light on the reality of it for the sake of proving to people that the grass is always green.
You know what I'm saying?
I think it definitely goes without saying that like, there is hair and makeup and lighting on, like, you know what I mean?
Like, the physical of it is not always that way, right?
Like, I think that's with anybody anything.
And I think that you're in the best hands most of the time and you're in like, you know, the best setting for your like physical, all the things.
And so I think that when it comes to like, you know, someone on a cover of a magazine or like in a editorial, they're gonna like, probably, you know, it's not always that perfect than that shiny total.
So there's that, but I think that kind of goes without saying.
And I think that as for romanticizing it, look, I'm not gonna sit here and say that I've had like, you know, really like I've had the toughest journey.
And you know, all those things I think I've been extremely fortunate.
But I also have had, you know, my own set of challenges and whether that be, you know, whether it's overworked or whether it's not getting a job that I would have really loved to get.
I think that something that is to be said about anyone who would want to get into it or that has any idea of it is it is a lot of like self love, like a big self love.
That's what I was gonna ask about.
Yeah, it's like, it's very, you have to have such a strong relationship with yourself to be able to go into it because it can be cutthroat.
And it can be like, you are sometimes like, oh my God, why didn't I, am I not, you know, enough for this job or whatever.
So there are those moments or, you know, people also in the industry can be really like tough or blunt or brutal.
And so I think there's those types of things for sure.
But again, I've, I'm so grateful.
I've had like a really beautiful experience.
And again, come came with some of some of its challenges as well.
I think a lot of people myself included would have assumed like, oh, this is probably the confidence boost of a lifetime, like, you know, this being your career path or whatever being able to do that.
But then I think the truth of the matter is it's like, you're in this sort of business of just looking a certain way in a way.
And it's like, in a lot of ways, I think, you know, you do have to figure out how to put your worth elsewhere.
And I don't know how in the world a young woman could possibly manage that.
Yeah, I think that it also is a lot of like, I think that it's a lot of having like great people around you, great support system and great family, great friends.
And again, for anyone who would ever want to do it, I think is literally having a great relationship with yourself enough to be able to go home at the end of the night and still like, look yourself in the mirror and be happy and love yourself.
I think that that's the biggest thing.
And I, yeah. So it's a lonely I've heard about, you know, like, you're very young.
Yeah. A lot of the times like, you know, 16, 17, 18, 19, and you're traveling around alone for the most part.
Yeah, I was, it is very lonely.
Like I've had really, you know, dark nights where I've been in, you know, kind of random cities and just hysterically crying myself to sleep because I haven't been home in three months and I've been pretty much alone the entire time or I'm on a job and something really, you know, crazy happens at home that I would love to be there for and I'm being told I can't be.
And like, just there's been a lot of definite moments where I'm like, what is going on?
Like, is this all worth it?
And then, yes, you know, when I look back on the time that I've had with it so far, it is a really beautiful thing to be able to travel the world, the way I have, I probably would have never traveled the way I have.
Totally. Or the amount that I have had I not had that job, this job, I've met really amazing people, a lot of my friends are because of this job, a lot of cool creative people, a lot of like inspiration in my life is like, all because of my job.
So I feel very grateful for it.
I feel very grateful for my experience and for having a relatively really good experience, I feel really grateful because I have heard a lot of stories from friends of mine and people that I know and peers and stuff that haven't.
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What's like your grounding routine when you're traveling a lot?
Especially maybe during peak travel times with modeling, what was your sort of grounding routine?
I don't think I had the tools I have now.
I think a lot of it was obviously friends and then also I had friends in the industry, like really good friends who I knew before as well.
So I think that was really helpful with my friends being around.
Totally. Because it didn't feel so lonely, but I think that now when feeling overwhelmed or feeling like I need that kind of grounding experience, like if I'm away, I'm a water sign.
So and water naturally is a cleanser.
So I believe in cleansing my body anyway, I can.
So if I'm overwhelmed or I'm out, I wanna go stand in a shower.
If that's my closest form to water, I wanna go cleanse my body, cleanse my soul.
Even in a bathtub, a bath is really good.
Put my heart underwater and just chill.
Those are really good tactics for me to soften myself and release.
But if I'm away for a few weeks and I'm doing the shower thing, but then eventually I'm able to have some free time.
I wanna run to a beach, I wanna run to a lake.
I wanna just submerge myself in water.
So that's been like a cleansing journey that I've been on.
But I mean, I have so many things.
I think that also like turning off my mind as best as I can.
So like putting my phone down is like a big thing or going for a walk or...
How do you not obsess over the phone?
Like do you have... I don't know, man.
Like I'm not perfect. And I fall victim to it all the time.
Well, I just had to take like an extreme measure which I'll even tell you more about.
I'm gonna say I wanna know.
Because I have to like, it's like a full like experience.
But I just got a second phone.
Okay. So I have one phone that has like all social media on it.
And also just like any app I don't want on my phone.
Like it has postmates on it, it has DoorDash, it has every social media app, it has YouTube, it has all the sort of entertainment.
It has like, you know, the Netflix, the hood, the max.
It has all, it's basically, I've named it because you can name each phone, the bad phone.
And then I have the good phone, which I bring around with me every day and it has like, you know, all the stuff I need for work on it.
Wait, did you come up with this?
Or did someone like give you this advice?
This totally exists somewhere.
However, I did ultimately come up with it.
I was like... I like this idea.
It's completely excessive in the sense that now I have two phones.
All phones, which is wild, but...
A little annoying. It's totally annoying.
But I love this idea. But I love it.
Yeah. Literally, I've not been on Instagram like Doom scrolling in...
Well, it becomes an addiction, no?
Like, I'm fully addicted.
That's why I did this. That's something that I practice a lot is like, when I feel myself like I go to grab my phone and I'm like, I don't need to do this.
I'm like, I'm with my friends.
Or I'm like watching this game or like, why am I craving this right now?
So then I just put it back down.
I was so bad about it that, like, to me, also too, I almost had this like anxious, like, obsessive sort of trade about it where I'd be like, I need to check to make sure everything's okay.
This is my job. I have to check.
And it's like, if something's going wrong, you're gonna find out.
I'm gonna find out. So I need to let this control go.
And it's been... That's been the hardest thing about it.
Like, obviously, I like to see what people are up to and I get like super, you know, everybody has their own like, stalking journey, like whatever.
It's like, you start on the Explorer page and next thing, you know, you're on like, your middle school best friends page.
And it's like... I know someone who is pretty well known and doesn't have social media at all.
And I asked her, I was like, or someone else's asked her, I was in the room.
They were like, wait, what?
You don't have social media?
Like, how do you know, like, the news?
Like, how do you know what's going on?
And she's like, if it's big enough, I'll hear about it.
Like, I don't need social media to know what's going on.
So I do kind of agree that it's kind of a silly excuse to be like, I need to know what's going on.
Like, you don't need to know, because you will find out.
You will find out. But I also, I think I sometimes almost, it's my messages that overwhelm me more than social media sometimes.
I am on social media, but I wouldn't say I'm that crazy on it.
Like, I'm not on it. That's amazing.
All the time, it's more like messages for me.
Like, I think I have a lot of work stuff, but I'm also like, you know, my friends chatting and group chats and the whole thing.
And so I'm silencing everything.
I need to start doing, do not disturb.
I haven't gotten there yet.
Whoa, I've been on do not disturb for four years.
No, I know, I haven't done that yet and I need to get into it.
I think it would be good for me, because I feel like I like having zero messages.
Oh, thank you. Are you that girl?
Yes. I like having zero messages, so I feel like I need to answer everybody.
Yeah. But why do we feel obligated?
That's not normal to have, for someone to have access to you 24-7 is not normal.
It's not how human, like that's not.
That's another thing I did with the second phone.
Yeah. Two numbers. So one number that is like the one on my phone constantly that's just, you know, this is all still a work in progress.
But it's like right now, it's literally just my parents and like, you know, like the closest like four people to me need my contact and the work people.
Yeah. And then the other phone is like, you know, it's everyone else because I also feel this sort of pressure at times where, you know, maybe you'll have like four people who are like, hey, let's hang out.
And it's like that can cause a lot of anxiety when you're not in the headspace to be handling it.
And when you're like, already overwhelmed with your life, maybe through work or whatever or from work or whatever.
And then now all of a sudden, you know, you just can't always manage.
I'm very easily overwhelmed.
Me as well. Very easily overwhelmed.
And it's not even anything personal to anyone, the fact that I'm like, okay, I need these two numbers because I need to be able to have these other conversations at a time when I can actually give my full self to it.
Totally. And that has been really interesting.
Like, you know, I always have zero notifications on my main phone and, you know, and those are really the things I need to know immediately.
Everything else can wait eight hours, 24 hours, even 48.
And it's just not that big of a deal.
Yeah. So I don't know. But it's like we've been through the two phones.
No, I might actually really like the things here.
But yeah, definitely the thing of like reassuring yourself, like, oh, this doesn't need to be answered right away.
Like I think people, people also expect you.
I expect my friends. I'm like, hey, when I hit you, like I expect my friends to reply.
So, you know, I don't like that expectation on me.
So I don't want to expect that for anyone else either.
I think that we need to be able to like loosen up a little bit.
Yeah. For me, it's messages that overwhelm me a little bit more.
Um, speaking of like phone anxiety, we're both anxious.
We both talked about it a lot.
In fact, like you've really spoken about it throughout the years so much, which I think is so important in special, not only for yourself.
Yeah. I know people understand you better as a public figure because anxiety can present itself in a number of ways.
For sure. But also, you know, just it is important.
Like as an anxious person myself, anytime somebody else is like, I'm so anxious.
I'm like, thank God. Yeah.
Because I think with anxiety too, you can convince yourself that you have your own weird version of it that no one else has.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. And like, which it is, like, it's not one size fits all.
Totally. Like whatever it is kind of a thing of like, you know, figuring out your way with it.
Absolutely. But it's still nice to know everybody has their own weird version of it.
Totally. You're like not alone in it whatsoever.
Like what does your day to day routine look like to sort of like keep the anxiety low?
Like, you know, from morning to night, what are the different things that you integrate?
You already mentioned sort of like the water tactic of like getting in water.
But you know, do you read books a lot?
Like do you have like, you know, a meditation that you do?
Like what does your day look like for anxiety prevention, if you will?
For a long time, I thought it was, do the meditation, which I believe in meditation.
And I believe that it is very helpful.
Do the meditation, do the, you know, all the like actual like real things.
I think sometimes it's as simple as, and it's kind of what we're just talking about, is like managing what can cause, like knowing what can cause it and trying to find your boundaries with it, manage it, not do it at all.
Like things like, we're talking about the phone, things like me getting like overwhelmed with messages.
Okay, if I'm feeling overwhelmed with messages that aren't necessary to respond to right now, maybe it is about putting my phone away for a second and literally going for a 15 minute walk or literally making cookies or like actually watching maybe like a cartoon for a second, just like combing nervous system.
I don't know, whatever it looks like for you.
I think it's, like I said, not a one size fits all journey and I think it's so much about finding what calms your nervous system and recognizing it, putting it in like a notepad somewhere and being like, okay, these are things that calm me.
These are things that make me worse or give me anxiety or make me feel overwhelmed and trying to then navigate like, okay, how can I kind of avoid these things or find boundaries with these things and how can I gravitate more towards the things that make me feel good.
So it's more intuitive, I think, than like a structural.
I'm not used to that too.
Like I almost have to handle my anxiety on a case by case basis.
Totally. It's like, okay, because I've tried to do things like, I mean there are certain like, you know, fundamental sort of parts of my day to day life that I know make our healthful.
Or are helpful. Totally.
So for example, like I think waking up in the morning and I am not perfect with this.
I can't say that every morning I do this, but waking up in the morning and not immediately looking at my phone and just looking.
A lot of what it is is so much overstimulation.
So it's like a lot of too much information for our brain to even process.
And especially scrolling like TikTok, like we're not meant to see that much information that quickly we're going, I'm going from crying because something was so cute and sad to like hysterically crying laughing, but something was so funny.
Like I don't know if we're supposed to feel those two things with a span of 30 seconds.
Yeah. And we're not used to it at least, I don't know.
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I'm curious about sort of, you know, the process of building friendship.
I know I've had interesting friendship building experiences just because naturally it's like, I don't know, like it's challenging in an environment where people potentially can gain from you in a lot of different ways, whether it's, you know, career wise or even just like, you know, going to dinner and like, oh, well, maybe she will pay or whatever, like whatever,
maybe. Like, it's very uncomfortable sort of trying to navigate building friendships that are genuine and positive and where you can truly trust, you know, the people that you're around.
And I mean, no friend is perfect either, right?
So it's like also balancing this sort of complex situation where it's like not every friend is perfect, but also I need to have maybe stricter boundaries in some ways because there's a lot of people that might be trying to potentially take advantage of me.
What has been your sort of friendship strategy?
Because it's so important.
Well, I think, yeah, I think, I think also like, I don't know, maybe this is just a me thing, but I feel like I hear this from other women as well.
It's like, I think when you're older as a woman, like sometimes it's a little bit more, like you don't, you kind of have your friends, right?
You kind of already have your like, your crew and your vibe.
And it's a little bit more on the rare side to like make new friends.
Totally. As you get older, I don't know.
Yeah, maybe that's, maybe I've just experienced that.
I've heard that too. Not because you're not a friendly person or you can't meet other friendly people.
It's just kind of like a little more rare, I guess.
Like when you're a kid, everybody's your friend and you're always making friends and whatever.
And I think that I have really good judgment.
I also feel like I have really good, like I can really read people really well and get a really good vibe most of the time.
So I think I've gotten really lucky with that.
Yeah. And I feel like I trust my body and I trust those energy feelers.
Totally. And if I don't feel good around someone, I know that there's probably a reason.
So I just don't waste my time going there.
And I'm really tough. Like I'm like, I have a friend who is so open to other people and is so like whatever.
And she can get kicked in the ass sometimes because of it.
And I just am so not that person.
I don't really let a lot of people in, especially now.
But I never really have even since I was young.
It's kind of always been part of my nature.
But again, for me, it's an energy thing.
Like if I feel like really good around someone, like you and I, I like, I knew I liked you before I met you.
Which is an interesting scenario.
So I was like excited to get to know you.
And you didn't disappoint.
And you're like amazing and you're great.
And diddo. And thank you.
And so much of it is vibe and energy for me.
I completely agree. Like I, and I don't just trust right away.
Like I definitely like, I like slow pedal.
And then one day I'm like, you're an open.
Yeah, I can feel that like this is a good vibe and like we're good.
You can't, like I still am sort of, I bet you learn that throughout your life.
Like I feel like that was something that probably happened like without even realizing it.
Maybe it's just your nature though too.
It could be one of the other or mixture.
But it's like that is so important because I'm somebody that's, I'm just kind of like a free bird.
Like I'm just like telling everyone everything about me.
And it's like, and it's something I'm really working on because it's fucking, it's kind of spooky out here sometimes.
Like you can't like, you can't do that.
And I, I do that. You know what I mean?
And like I think there's something like free about it for sure to be like, ah, everything's gonna be okay.
And like everyone's amazing and whatever.
But there's also something like just, I think we have to sometimes remind ourselves like of the world we live in now.
And like the way that I don't everybody wants to talk and it's horrible.
I don't want to be a part of it and I don't, I don't know.
So I just, I keep to myself and my crew as much as I can.
But at the same time, I love, I love being in like the rooms that we're in or like being at a fun event and home.
Seeing someone who I'm like a fan of or that I love and I think is really cool and like being able to chop it up and like all of that is great.
I love all of that and I love, I love experiencing new people.
And you know, you know, you're boundaries with it.
So they are not. But I think that's important and everything is boundaries.
Like I think that in any relationship and whatever.
And I mean that to say like protecting your energy.
Totally. Like I think that's the most important part of it.
I also think we live in a world like, you know, I think evil eyes are real things.
So we live in a world where like you expose yourself to so much evil eye and that can become really heavy.
Yeah. And people, aka the world or even people closer than you think might be wishing poorly on you and without themselves even knowing it, I think like even subconsciously people can wish poorly on you.
Yeah. And energetically people can wish poorly on you.
So anything that's important to you, I believe in like keeping to yourself.
And like I agree. A job that you might want.
You don't need to tell everybody that you're going for this job because there might be people closer than you think like trying to put it down or like put bad vibes into it.
Again, they could be doing it subconsciously.
So I think that's a big thing for me.
It's like protecting my energy, protecting my surroundings, protecting information, protecting my life.
Like keeping it sacred.
Totally. What is something that you've worked on with yourself over the last few years that has like paid dividends?
Like what's like work on yourself that's been the most impactful?
Like a challenge that you've overcome that's been like holy shit.
That changed the game for me.
I think so much of it is like life experience.
Like learning lessons, right?
Like just learning experiences, going through shit, coming out the other side, knowing what work for you, knowing what didn't.
But I think that the biggest thing for me, I'm relatively new to like the therapy experience.
But I maybe I started like two years ago.
And I think my therapy journey has been really nice for me.
I consider myself a really self-aware person.
I think it's only made me more self-aware.
To be able to talk through problems with someone else and be able to like maybe see them at face value or like digest why I might do something a certain way or why I might handle a situation a certain way.
It's only made me more self-aware.
So I'd say like probably my therapy journey is like the most.
That's a great transformative thing in the last two years.
I've never found a good therapist, but I'll find one.
But it's so much of that.
It will, by the way. If you continue to look you will.
Mine, I went through a few and then I kind of gave up.
And then one day she like came to me through someone.
Like someone was like, oh my god, I just found this amazing person.
Yep. You should try them.
And I did and I was like, wait, I'm really into this vibe.
So I do believe it comes to you when it's meant to in a way.
I think that something like advice I would give is like something that's really been interesting for me is like consistency.
So like there'll be. Yeah, that's probably what I know.
No, no, but you should find someone who makes you feel like you want to be consistent.
Yes, absolutely. I believe that as well.
But I think that consistency is important only because like there are days where I go into it.
Where I'm like, my life feels great right now.
Like I don't need to do this today.
Like, I think I'm going to cancel.
Yeah. And then I don't cancel and I do it.
And something always comes up.
Doesn't mean it's negative.
Interesting. But something always comes to fruition in these sessions.
And I think that that's what's really important about a consistent journey.
Yes. It's like, I believe that if you want to do it for a few years and then maybe take like six months off or a year off, whatever.
Yeah, it's fair. You can do whatever you want to do, especially in that type of environment.
But for me, that's something I've noticed is like sticking to it, even on the good days, is like really important.
That's amazing. Yeah. In your inspiring me to try again for the bazillionth time.
What do you think is the most simplified recipe for you for a fulfilled life?
Not necessarily a happy life because that's a little bit too much to ask because that doesn't exist.
But like a fulfilled life in the sense that you feel sort of full in your heart, you know.
There's always going to be some sadness and there are challenges.
Well, that makes the happiness all the better.
Exactly. So what do you think is your recipe for a fulfilled life?
Like, it could be anything.
It could even be like little things that you do on a day to day.
It could be anything. Well, I crave a simple life.
That's for sure. I think that when I see myself older and hopefully with a really amazing, beautiful family of my own and all those things, like I think that that's a part of the recipe, right?
Yes. But I also think something that would be meaningful to me is like something that is meaningful to me and that would continue to be meaningful to me is like relationships with like important people in my life friends.
Really beautiful times, really beautiful memories like those are really like it's just so important.
The only things we can bring with us when we leave this place.
And I think that that's really important to me is creating that space in that time for those things.
And I think leaving an impact on those people is really important to me.
So as long as like I bring only great vibes to the people that I that bring great vibes to me, then I would feel like I would be really fulfilled.
And in life and you know my future relationships.
But yeah, I definitely crave like a simple, a simple life.
Like I want to be out of here one day.
Yeah, I get it. Go be on a farm.
I so get it. Yeah. And I also, but it is interesting.
We're very aligned there where it's like it comes down to people in community.
It's like a really a lot of this.
I mean, we are on our own individual journeys, but people are so important.
And we're not designed to be.
We need each other. Like we do need each other.
Yeah, absolutely. And I think that, you know, having a room full of people that you love and that love you back is super important.
And I don't know, you definitely makes perfect for a filled life.
But right now, like I say, I want to say I want to move to a farm, which I definitely do.
And I crave that pretty much every day.
Yeah. But at the same time, like I think I have this like not fear of.
I have this fear of getting older, but not for the physical reasons.
Like I have a fear of getting older because everyone who's older, like, always is like, it goes by so fast.
Yes. And like I get chills right now even saying that.
Yeah. Like because I'm only 28, of course, I'm still young, but like even those 28 years went by so fast.
Yeah. So I'm like, oh my gosh, it only feels like it gets faster.
Yeah. And I think that I have this fear of like not enjoying myself, especially while I'm like young and able and healthy and like.
Totally. I understand that.
My body is here to serve me.
And I think that I want to enjoy that too.
So I feel really like I want to be where my feet are, right?
And I want to like experience everything the way I should and I want to like live my life.
You know what? Your podcast.
I don't know if it was your podcast or your YouTube channel, but I remember you said something one time.
Because you have really good one liners, but like you really good.
But like you said something one time where you were like, you know, sometimes I have like a week where I'm really bored or like sometimes I'm having a really boring day.
And like I've realized that that's actually more normal than like you think.
And I just like beat myself up about like being like not doing anything today.
Yeah. Like whatever. And kind of just having a mundane day.
And like it actually is really normal.
Yes. And I think especially right now in like social media, we think that everything should be glitzy and glammy and shiny and like.
Yes. Always traveling and always doing these things and always with fun people.
Yeah. That's not the reality of everyone's life.
In fact, it's not good for you either.
No. You need the boring day.
Yeah, of course. In so many different ways.
Of course. And I think that like you and I def your home body.
I'm so a home body. And I enjoy being home.
I am not the girl who's going to go out and rage.
Yeah. All the time. I love a good occasional like fun night dance.
We need a phase every once in a while, but that's.
But we're not like a consistent.
I always say to my friends who are like, oh my god, come out.
Live your life. I'm like, but what if I'm really happy in my bed early?
Yes. Like what if that makes me really happy?
I mean, a board game phase.
Oh, I know. It's no. No, I can't believe I'm saying it.
But like, I this last weekend was like, I can't go out because I really want to play this board game again.
Like I'm playing it for like the entire week.
But that's okay. It makes you happy.
It made me so much happier.
And I went to bed at a reasonable time.
And it was beautiful. And like, but that's totally, I know exactly.
Totally okay. But at the same time while I, you know, I say that.
And that is who I am. That is what I love is like being at home, being the home body.
All those things. I also think having those special memories and those big nights.
And those fun nights. Like that's also important to me.
I'm in a phase in life right now where I'm like, maybe I will just go and see what happens.
Yes. I want to like live a little right now and be where my feet are.
And experience as much as I can and just like move.
Go with the flow. Yes. That's totally my vibe right now.
Me too. We're a line. I love it.
Give me my last question though.
Yes. It's completely off.
I'm going to be able to do it.
And my last question though is completely off topic is.
If you had to make me a cocktail right now.
Obviously with tequila.
Okay. I mean, duh. But also because that's my liquor of choice.
Anyways. What would you make me tell me the exact recipe?
Like I'm saying like, but no, no, but you're making your, you're like, this is too easy.
I know. Well, I guess, okay, but it can't be in this press of our team.
Okay. That's what I was going to say.
No, it can't be in this press of our team.
It has to be something. Something else.
It has to be like something brand new.
Well, if it wasn't in a espresso martini with the chamberlain coffee in it.
Of course. It would be an eight one eight to kill.
Of course. Oh my God. I don't know.
I'm so like I enjoy because I love to appreciate the tequila.
So it would be with tequila.
Do you just drink it on the rocks for the most part?
Most part. Yeah. Oh, I reserve.
I drink on the rocks. So I like.
Yes. Simple drinks. Like I like our reserve on the rocks with a, with squeezed in like orange.
And just like leaving the orange on the rim like that's my favorite.
But if I had to make you something, I don't know.
I think that like I've made really yummy drinks in my life.
Like I randomly loved to, like I like to do this thing where I take like drinks that are traditionally made with like other alcohols.
Yes. And like make it with tequila.
Like a little Roni. I know that might be a little bit intense, but like love.
Love. Or like I don't know an old fashioned or something.
Yum. But those are like very mature.
You need to make this for me.
I don't think I'm going to have, well, I still haven't been to your house.
So yeah, well, okay, well, we'll come over playing cocktail.
We're going to have the most fun time.
We're going to play a board game.
I'm so down. I swear. I'm your gal.
Like it's so kindle. This one game that I'm like, it's called you know, take it to ride.
Oh, no idea what that is.
No, it's so there is something like kind of like.
I like I've been playing it since I was little, but now that I'm an adult, it's the most strategic challenging game.
Like I feel my brain cells like rebuilt like rebuilding.
Like I'm getting smarter from this game.
I see I like because it's so hard.
I like games like that. Like I used to be, I used to like to play like video games and stuff a lot when I was younger.
And then when I got older, I was like, I want to dive back into this and see what's like out in the world.
Yeah. Anytime I found like puzzle.
Like games that like challenge your brain, like even on like Xbox or whatever.
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