#913 - Andrew Schulz - Why Does Modern America Feel So Insane?｜Modern Wisdom

What a great day for Netflix.

Yeah. Meghan Markle's new lifestyle series drops today.

There's two lives out there.

Is that it? Wait, does she have another show?

They're not giving her more shows.

With Love. Brand new series.

No way. Drops right now.

She can't miss, bro.

You only fail up. You really only fail up.

This is crazy. This is crazy.

Has we started the pod?

Yeah. Yeah, yeah. Okay, we have.

All right, this is fire.

I just want to let everybody know that Chris usually spends a lot of money on sets.

and i and i told him i was like save it i said don't rent out a warehouse or something aesthetically pleasing and have a whole team of cameras i just have five serbian guys set these things up here throw some flesh lights in the back and we'll be good and i think we'll get the same thing across okay you've had a hard day i shouldn't even bust your balls about this but oh we're living yeah well look did you versus megan markle today that's it she's in next so what's her what's her thing what's her like a story what's the well she's it's a reality show about her she's got genitals so potent that america finally

managed to take down the united kingdom right not with war not with bureaucracy but with a woman who literally managed to suck the fucking privilege out of prince harry using her magical yoni it is interesting that she's so um so hated huh what is that about a lot of people dislike her if you want to search megan markle because we don't like the royal family really i think we're kind of ambivalent towards them in america yeah you guys think it's kind of like a cricket or something yeah like a fucking artifact yeah yeah it's not i heard you were a bowler i was yeah for like a pretty good school

yeah yeah that was the only way i got into university they reduced my entry requirements because they thought i was going to come and play sport little did they know that they just had a like adult infant waiting in the wings who was going to completely like so you stopped playing the second you went essentially i mean i'd drop down to like just drinking partying and running events yeah and they did that thing uh why are the indians so good at that they're not really any athletic people well think about all of the places that go to cricket yeah places that we colonized australia india pakistan canada canada pretty

good at it as well so do you give them a thing to like beat you at for fun like is that how you you keep them yeah you can have that don't rebel yeah we'll keep the rubies don't rebel again yeah you guys play in the field for two days i i've been looking forward to telling you this because i saw you do your show here in austin about a year ago almost exactly a year ago that's right that's right i know i went and got a sperm count done because did you because of you exclusively because of you and how was it uh first one so i got a whole fucking story for you please tell me i love this i love your journeys

what size shoe are you bro that's a u .s 10 you got okay you double digits all right that's a cute that's a cute size right there 10 all right you're a big motherfucker to have a size 10 yeah well look you're a big guy i don't know if that's a 10 Oh, no, that's a nine.

Actually, I wear a ten, but these are nine.

Hold on, hold on. Give me that camera.

Stop comparing. You've been here for three minutes and you're like fucking, got a pair of Doc Martens up against my crocs.

Well, it's okay. You're going to tell me your sperm is way better than mine.

I'm not. I'm not. Wait, do you have shitty sperm too?

Let me fucking, I've got a whole thing.

Okay, I'm sorry. I got distracted by my wife's Crocs on you.

I got a little intimidated.

This is my prophylactic, okay?

This is my fucking, this is my protection.

well if the sperm is bad you don't even need it bro that's true I can just wear the croc that's double protection anyway so do a mail -in one I do a mail -in sperm thing have you ever seen how that works done it all when I did my mail -in I was jerking off and in my room while my wife was in the other room she's like I'll give you a few minutes to do this and I was like okay and then I was like can you and then she's like I don't know if I don't want to get any interruptions or whatever and I remember I was jerking off in my bed by myself I never jerked off in my bed of my home by myself And at one

point I'm jerking off and I look up and my TV is off.

So it's just a reflection.

And that is the saddest day of my life.

Right there. Knowing that your wife is on the other side of a wall.

And watching myself jerk off into like a black screen.

The saddest porn ever.

Yeah. And like also you think your strokes are way longer when you're doing it and not being filmed.

But I'm not really going that far.

It's more of like a, it's like a quicker pump.

like any kind of pantomime yes exactly yes you're having a seizure yeah whatever small vibrations exactly right but like in stand -up if i was ever doing it i'd always be like yeah i'm fucking nah not got the length man anyway mail it in comes back ah that's not so good i start chat gpt yeah and they're like well you have to remember the suspension liquid says do not shake right this isn't a it's not a fucking core power you're not supposed to like make sure oh did you no no no but the dpd guy that carried it for 24 hours doesn't know to not shake it right he chucks it in the back with the amazon returns

and all the rest of the stuff so anyway then i go to austin urology yeah in austin and it's way better but but still shitty varicoseal oh yeah of course i got all that did you get your surgery uh no because so i had it since i was young varicoseal yeah yeah so explain what that is to people so they don't know what it is varicoseal is uh looks like someone threw up in your ball sack it's a inefficiency of uh vasculature around the epididymis so you should you should just everybody listening should just compare how both of us talk about the world right there uh you described exactly what it was and i

said this is what it looks like so you're between the two of us yeah we got it perfect exactly yeah yeah yeah both ends of the iq bell curve understood what's going on it means it means that uh you're not circulating heat away actually heats the issue, right?

Exactly. So your balls descend when it's hot and then they ascend when it's cold, right?

And this is why, you know, you're freezing, your balls get all tight.

And they're basically trying to like monitor the temperature of the ball sack so that your sperm doesn't die.

And what some varicocele is, is that you have some veins, a lot of times that should be further up into your like basically stomach area, like groin area, and they just fall into your balls.

And I had those for a while.

I remember A doctor once said, we can do it, but we won't know if it will do anything.

He even said this to me.

It's funny. I haven't even thought about this.

He goes, it might affect your ability to get pregnant or it might not.

And this was when I was in like my 20s.

And because I thought I had ball cancer.

That's what I thought it was.

Because you just see this fucking.

There's like something.

Like, just imagine like a sack of spaghetti, like in your balls.

And I was like, and he's like, yeah, it just might affect your ability to get pregnant.

And I remember thinking like, oh, leave it.

you know what i mean i'm in new york and i'm running around yeah i'm like whatever it is what it is and um and yeah wow years later well i should have thought about that when i was going through the whole thing okay so you're you had varicocele how's your did they swim yeah yeah morphology motility count like oh pretty yeah but uh they weren't warped at all you didn't have any no yeah yeah yeah but uh anyway all of that went through all of that just because of you well i appreciate that i hope everybody goes out there and does it i think save yourself some time dude I think that guys especially

it's so easy to just come in a cup yeah it's also there's you know there's plastic and everything like they were finding what is the micro plastics are in your balls and like everybody's worried about drinking a pull in spring because the micro plastics and like my buddy told me if a car in a city stops like they just hit their brakes the amount of micro plastic that goes into the environment yeah like drinking out of plastic shit is the equivalent of like not using a plastic straw to help the ocean like 90 percent The fuck up in the ocean comes from the, was that commercial fishing?

You've seen this where they just, like, leave the nets out there?

Did you see that, doc?

Which one? It's a documentary called—oh, I'm going to forget the fucking name.

It was like a pun, but they did the wrong pun.

I wish we had another person in this room.

As a fucking researcher.

Whatever. We can just get it wrong.

We can just keep getting everything wrong.

Fuck. No, no, no. It was—are they listening out there?

Do any of you guys know what it is?

Sea something. Oh, God.

It was sea conspiracy.

see yes okay okay we don't need you we don't need you donathan go away yeah um and it's like yes i don't want to correct people here but it should have been conspiracy very good come to andrew schultz for your branding guys you know what i mean this is what we do over here like new tonic thank you yeah it makes sense you see i was chastised for drinking new tonic the second and i sat down on this podcast um chastise said any time oh wow guys we john we need to clean the tops of the newtonic before we put them on the podcast okay i understand we're in a cia bunker that usaid has been funding in pakistan that we're

doing this podcast but i need the top of the newtonic cleaned can we get a shot of this i think this is where chris put his sample the fucking difference in volume dude oh what you want me the fucking sperm sample thing oh yeah it's brutal it's like it's so humbling you know it's funny is when i first did a when i first did it uh i joke around in the special there's one thing i didn't say in the special but like uh first of all when i first got the results your ego plays so much and they're like it wasn't that good what i said to my wife was um she's like yeah they got the results and they weren't

that couldn't and they're like and some of them are like morphed like there's like an issue with not just swimming but they're like shaped weird and uh i dead serious i said to my wife i was like well maybe it was the force that they hit the cup like you know it's a fucking car exactly 9 11 like boom just smacking into that cup yes somewhere exactly yeah exactly but no dude i hit up huberman i was like what should i do and him and a bunch of other doctors gave me all this like put you in a group chat andrew's struggling guys it's like whoa hey andrew i just fucking just me and you he was really

sweet he was really sweet actually he gave me like a list of things to do he gave me these pills i gotta take i started taking the pills he's like and my and the doctors i spoke to said the same thing they're like you gotta ice your balls every single day no more sauna no more baths no more sauna no more balance you got to wear baggy underwear so you can't wear like the tight ones uh stop smoking and stop drinking i did that for two months My sperm got worse.

The doctor, like, literally goes, we've never seen this happen before.

So I was like, what should I do?

He goes, you might as well just go back to drinking.

I was like, all right, fine.

They've obviously become fucking accustomed to it.

They've got, like, Stockholm Syndrome to the body.

Like, I'm one of those, like, professional athletes that was, like, better when you could, like, drink and, like, do Coke.

Like the John Daly.

That's what my sperm is.

My sperm is John Daly.

You want him on a fucking case of Bud Lights and then you're going to see him do 18 holes you've never seen anything in your life yeah uh dude i i genuinely think that it's one of the most like meaningful stand -ups i've ever seen well thank you man i think it's i watched it again in the car right here and uh i managed to not cry in the back of the car that's cool when the uber drive was in front of me yeah but i didn't manage to hold it together when you did it live so uh i want to ask how does it feel getting this personal on stage you know it's presumably one of the most difficult periods by far

the most difficult time my life just like by far like what's it feel like uh cathartic when i started talking about it because it's very isolating when you go through any like fertility stuff because the assumption is it's your wife we all and i talk about in the special but like that you never assume it could be you at all so in the beginning i was like hesitant to talk about it because I didn't want to embarrass her.

And she was, like, heartbroken by the whole thing.

Like, she, you know, you start thinking of reasons why your ovaries are fucked up.

And her ovaries were perfect, but she didn't know.

And she would be like, I know it's because I used to watch, like, movies on my laptop, on my stomach.

And, like, she starts coming up with all these solutions as to why she did it.

And I, like, prayed the night before we got our test results.

and I was like if there is a problem just make it me that's how confident I was that it was her like I was so confident I was like oh god spare fertility that I can take the fucking I go do me a favor god like just make it me she can't handle this and then Dr. Chesler God's like I gotcha yeah so yeah it was but it was nice to talk about because it's so isolating and then when i found out it was my issue it was uh then i really felt more comfortable sharing because i'm not embarrassing her in any way you get to own your own issues yeah and it was the first time in my life i've ever been personal

or told stories really on stage like i've never been i always thought my life was boring i thought that like my opinions on things were more interesting than my actual life and um so i was excited for the challenge of like being personal and being like a storyteller.

And, um, yeah, I was like, maybe I can turn this into something.

I always try to do something different every special I put out.

And, uh, so I started reading all these books about like storytelling and like trying to understand like what that is.

And it was really cool to learn, you know, it's, it's really our oldest form of digesting information before we had like a notepad or before we had the ability to just like remember statistics or facts we just told each other stories there's a reason why like the most important texts are not hey this is the information you need to know they kind of like build it into a story hey this is why you should have faith because look at this outcome they don't give you like the statistics of the people that pray every single day and this is how long they live it doesn't hit us the same way as a he built

the boat and he was the one who lived you know and um yeah it's interesting even like in the special like there's some joke parts of the special.

And then you kind of, I almost like trick you into getting into the story.

And I can feel a difference when we're in the story in the way that the audience is invested.

It is this innate human instinct.

If somebody comes in the room right now, they go, guys, the craziest shit just happened.

We'll give them 15 seconds, even if they're a complete stranger.

I don't know what that is.

You'd probably be able to figure that out.

But like, there's something about it.

We're like hardwired to be interested in them interested in stories is it even fair to sort of call it like a comedy special when you get to the stage where you have referring to archive footage and sort of interacting with shit that's behind you and there's entire five minute blocks where no one's laughing yeah yeah it's like there's there's a the way i i looked at it's like when i was touring it i didn't tell anybody that it was about this because i think sometimes what happens when you do like a one -man show you almost like ask the audience to reduce their comedic expectations like if somebody's

like here's a one -man show it's gonna be this like thought -provoking thing and then we'll also kind of be funny but you're there for the kind of thought -provoking thing and I'm a stand -up I'm not a one -man show so I didn't nobody knew this was what it was about the entire tour and I never positioned it in that way I didn't even talk about it on the pod until I announced the special.

So, I wanted the highest comedic expectations.

But then I wanted to see if I could almost, like, trick you into listening to this.

So, the first, like, chunk is just, like, hard -hitting stand -up that is related.

And if you, like, go back to it, you're like, oh, okay.

And then, like, this is, like, little shit that nobody will pick up.

But, like, even the first joke that I tell is ties into like the last moment with her not even the staten island thing like the first joke i tell about the and i wonder if anybody would pick this up like the first joke was about like uh you know we're pregnant and then i go you know this is what guys always say we're pregnant whatever i forget exactly the joke um these guys like we're pregnant like no she's pregnant it's like ridiculous to take credit for that it's like when my wife says we made a lot of money right Right.

And then it sets up this idea that, like, it's not really we.

And then when my wife is in, like, the toughest moment of her life, she says, it's not your fault.

We'll figure it out.

We do this together.

You don't have problems.

We have problems. Exactly.

And it's just, I don't know, for me, it's like this cool little, hey, that part that you thought was completely unrelated to this part.

Everything is a seed that's going to be harvested later.

Can you. What were the books that you read?

williams store um i think it's just called story the art of storytelling or the science of story there's another one the science of storytelling maybe that's the williams store one and then there's a hero of a thousand faces there's like a bunch i bought like cards on instagram anything i could get my hands on it was called like storytelling tactics and those weren't that great but it was like anything i could get my hands on about story i was just like i just need to understand what makes it compelling what grabs attention what is like a three -arc structure how does a movie written and i kind

of wrote it like a movie without you knowing and what did you or what have you come to learn about the most important basics when it comes to telling a good story i think stakes are really important problems are really important it can't be uh uh it can't be and then it has to be like so we had to do this and then it's just i'm telling you another thing this problem caused this but then this happened yes so so you're not just going here's this series events each event has to be a catalyst for the next one this thing pushes and luckily or unluckily however you look at it you know i want to look

at it with a positive perspective was like you know the story kind of unfolded in a way that was you know kind of traditional in that story and it worked you know we worked out god bless you know not all the time it does yeah there's a good use of omission which is something i learned from mr ballin he's a strange dark and mysterious so a huge youtube channel like 10 million 15 million my bad my bad it's all uh you like scary spooky story shit that can't listen to and um one of the things that he taught me on the pod last year was omission is really important yeah so continuing to set stuff up

but leaving out very key pieces of information would kind of beg the question or yeah and you know there's things where you could have told a story within 15 seconds you can make it interesting for three minutes by not the payoff is at the very very end yeah holding that attention yeah yeah people want to know you know or the people who relate to it i think that's the yeah yeah the coolest thing about it uh about the tour and i mean outside of doing fucking arenas and shit that's awesome it's like what you dream of like what i wrote down on little pieces of paper when i first started comedy but was all

these people who had come to the show and they were like going through it and again it's really isolating your best friends are probably going through ivf and they don't tell you the women who are going through it and if the issue is theirs you definitely don't talk about it because fertility is this like really volatile subject for women right like they're pushing their baby making time back because they want to do these careers that they've been told that they should do but some of them don't even really want to do it and there's all these like weird societal expectations that we could get into

which i think kind of interesting but um so if it's their fault they are like just mortified to have to share and they feel like there's maybe something wrong with them and um Less of a woman?

Yeah. Or less of a man?

Yeah, 100%. And you go through that for a second.

I never felt less of a man.

What I thought was, did I do something wrong that I'm being punished for?

Like, why should I not?

Retribution, right, somehow.

Yeah, why should I not have kids?

Like, why does God not want me to have kids?

And I'm not, like, a religious person, really.

But we started going to church a bit, I'll tell you how much.

Felt karmic. Say what?

It felt karmic. Yeah.

somewhere there's like yeah i was like did i do something to deserve this because you're trying to justify it right you're like i'm a good person i take care of my friends and my family like what the what is this i work hard i don't think i've mistreated my body that much yeah so you try to find the justification for it and then you got to switch that perspective to like no shit is hard life is hard and you could either fold or you could get after it you know a quick aside if you're anything like me traveling is great but packing is like staring into the abyss while chewing glass which is why

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It's hard for them It's hard for like yeah I mean when they're on my wife reacted pretty crazy to the drugs like they I mean I talk about the special but they shoot them up with all the hormones and like you know I didn't we got into like an argument like a full out argument in a Japanese restaurant you don't realize how quiet Japanese restaurants are until like you are full out arguing like elbow to elbow in a small New York City Japanese restaurant and the only thing that interrupts it is when a new person walks in and somebody say everybody stops and then we're back to fighting as they're slurping

udon it is a uh yeah it's a yeah you get into it you definitely get into it but my wife was good she didn't like resent me for it and she could have she could have like you're the reason why i'm doing this and in no way did that come out so a lot of credit there yeah the that line about you don't have problems we have problems we're a team was sort of taking on this battle together it must be very reassuring i have a friend whose wife went through ivf um she was 42 so she was really toward the end yeah and i think you can actually do this where you get to kind of this is the last harvest of eggs

that you have this is a squeezing the very last few drops out of the sort of sponge of fertility and um two stories a lovely woman very smart very balanced uh one day threw a grapefruit at him so hard that it bruised his ribs um when when she was going through the ivf yeah and then a couple of days later she opened the front door and there was 30 amazon boxes on the front porch yeah it's like what the fuck is this and they were all addressed to the house so it wasn't somebody else's thing brings them inside and starts opening them up and it's like pink lace doilies and and curtain ties and little

uh coasters and and bit like knick -knacks and stuff like dolores umbridge from fucking harry potter yeah yeah sort of nicey nicey and um in some hormonal fugue state fever dream thing she'd just gone on amazon and ordered the literally she'd like got wasted on progesterone yeah and uh just gone crazy on girly shit yeah what the It is wild.

Yeah, she started nesting probably.

They do that shit too once they go deeper into the pregnancy.

How so? You just start like buying furniture and you start to create your home.

I think it's biological.

Like they say this about women, but that's when, you know, it's taken.

Curating the space.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's amazing to see them.

Yeah, I don't know.

I hope it's something.

I think pendulums have to swing, obviously.

You know, you see it politically and I think you see it culturally.

And I hope, yeah, maybe it swings back to the point where we start to value being a mom and like only being a mom as a societal benefit and not as somebody who's like taking the easy way out or someone who's been conned by the patriarchy into being a domestic prostitute somehow oh sweetie what a shame for you yeah I think a lot of women who never had kids pushed out that ideology and it's a yeah it's a Yeah, it's a tricky thing.

And it is something that's like distinct to places like this, like very, I guess you would say modern places.

And keep in mind, like my mom worked, my dad worked for my mom, my mom had a dance studio, they taught ballroom dance lessons, but it was my mom's studio and my dad kind of like eventually came in and ran it.

you know he was a journalist and then he came in and uh so i'm used to like women working and killing it and uh but there is this thing like my wife is a very high performing you know like she got her mba and then she like worked for apple she was like running ai projects at apple and then she was like she had to like grapple with this thing where it's like i don't really want to do this this doesn't make me happy i'm kind of doing it because society wants me to do this and i want to prove that i'm just because i'm a woman i it doesn't mean that i have to be this domesticated person and I can go

out there. I can compete with every guy.

Yeah. And then she had to just be like, I really want to be a mom.

That's my dream in life.

I've always wanted to be a mom.

And I would see her when she would bump into people she used to work with on the street and they'd be like, so, uh, where are you working now?

And she'd be like, she would say, oh, I'm, um, yeah, I'm just a mom.

And the just would kill me.

Yeah. It's like, you would hope that we could set something up where you're like i i i quit man you know my baby was born i was able to stay home with the baby actually i'm a mom now yeah yeah i don't work i'm a mom now yeah i do work i'm a mom and and we're lucky enough that we get to do it got promoted i got exactly yeah and i and i think society should value that and i think more women will choose that if they can it's a luxury it's a privilege yes but i think that i think probably texas values that a little bit more new york is it's not very family oriented and i was born and raised there

which is an insane thing but it's you go to new york to make it you know and um yeah i'd like to see that i'd like to see that switch up a little bit there's a mimetic sense to this i think that um you kind of do what you see the people around you doing oh brother yeah i mean four people got pregnant during this tour so we got pregnant we yeah i'm back on board fuck you did catch me yeah so yes we got pregnant both of my openers got pregnant mark mark and derrick derrick's wife is now pregnant and are the person who does our visuals and lighting rob who i think you met rob and his wife cheryl

they got pregnant with their second me fuck i'm pumping him out i mean what does they say that there's some like some you know biblical term about like the power of the tongue but it is the community that you keep and like and you're seeing this thing happening so crazy to see four of us everybody on the dominoes fell in that nuts so yeah it was just this beautiful yeah it was beautiful beautiful thing to see it happen yeah i uh i i do wonder what can be done to kind of pedestalized motherhood again i think it will happen naturally like i think a lot of times like we see things that we think are like

wrong societally and then we try to like push that you know progress or regress whatever it is like speed run it back to yeah and you kind of can't this this guy a little duval was like a huge mentor of mine comedically like he would always speak about this i mean he's just like a brilliant philosopher that you wouldn't realize but he's just he's so brilliant and um but he would always say this is like you can't push people into things They have to learn on their own and then react to the errors of their ways, if it is even an error.

But we're reactive, you know, and it's just like, like even politically, like what's happening right now, it's just reaction.

You know, like this election is reaction.

It's not going on podcasts.

Everybody's like, oh, he went on your guys and Theo and Rogan and that's what changed the election.

It's like we didn't have zero impact on the election.

Zero. Everybody had already decided.

and it might've made them feel more comfortable with their decision.

But I think that those decisions are made way before and it's just society reaction.

Everybody thinks that like every person that voted for Trump is this like ride or die Trump guy.

I think they're actually, the majority of people were rejecting a societal push in a direction that they didn't feel comfortable with.

And I think that's - A lot of it is a protest vote.

Yeah. against it's not i'm not voting for this thing i'm voting not for that yeah and i think that's what happened with trump when he lost right it was like oh this is too chaotic i don't want to deal with this shit anymore give me the old guy and it's like it was a vote against trump it was like for biden and i think like the administration you calm it doesn't matter everybody's like all right this is too much like i don't i'm not feeling comfortable with my with my life right now let's try something else so yeah i think it was the protest yeah i think that was one of the reasons that your special

again when i saw it last year and then again now it was really important to give people something that feels a bit more grounded real and meaningful and within that control yeah as opposed to coming out and going you know zelensky trump was the amber hood johnny depp of fucking 2025 uh which by the way i think is actually true like that reading should have fucking been done behind closed doors like why are the why the press they're watching this bullshit well they didn't think that's what was going to happen they thought it was going to be a big announcement for a mineral deal blah blah blah yeah

and then it didn't go that way and i think that yeah that's my assumption at least i don't think trump would ever put something out there it could potentially look foolish right like if it didn't count for the wild card that is jd vance yeah i don't even think it was jd i think zelinski he was just like he he should just never agree to it he's like hey i don't like this deal so let's not get in front of the cameras and do it and i like jd going why are we litigating this in front of the american public like that felt a little subversive and i could see like a negative reaction on it like we're

here to have a hurrah let's high five moment and this turned into not that so maybe let's not do it here yeah more and jd jd yeah hey watch out for that motherfucker yo he's gonna be around for a while yo it's like i don't even again i don't react to like people based on their like political leaning like i don't really care about that like a culture is way more interesting to me i don't like like jumping on a side with these things i understand that like people who don't know me at all and and are like this guy's some fucking right -wing mega lunatic it's like yeah i don't have empathy for even

thinking that like you just see headlines you see some crazy joke i told like i'm totally i'm totally fine i understand the world we live in right but for me like i just kind of look at like people and ideas and i try to react to how what public sentiment is to that like I'm always reacting to feeling I don't really react to a specific event and I'm not trying to like explain logically the event like I'm more interested in like the emotional reaction of things so like when Mangione shot the dude and then the internet kind of didn't really feel that bad they were like joking around about it I'm

like oh this is like rich people you got to pay attention to this because they don't care about y 'all anymore like any one of y 'all could get killed and it would be fine.

And if you're the billionaire class, you got to be very aware that your life is not valued by the rest of us.

That's a... And I'd imagine very rich people, if we're going to look at this in a microcosm, I imagine they...

Let's just assume...

I don't think they're bad, by the way, but let's just assume that they want as much money as they possibly can.

This is like an unfair assumption, but let's just play with this little thought experiment.

you also want comfort.

You want as much money as you can get, but you also want comfort, right?

So like, if you're living in some third world country and you're like the richest person there, it's not really comfortable because you know, at any point in time, these people in fucking sandals could storm your house and they take out the five security guards and then they kidnap your whole family.

It's not comfortable.

One of the nice things about America is like being rich is comfortable, right?

The first world, like being rich, you can be comfortable.

You don't have to worry about like your kid getting kidnapped.

Like fucking Canelo Alvarez, I think his brother got kidnapped like the week of his fight once.

And nobody knew it.

And it was just like a normal thing that happens.

He's the boxer. It's just a Tuesday.

It's like getting your flight delayed.

Yeah. And he had to like work out the fucking payments like days before the fight.

So this is a normal thing that you have to accept.

So in order to make sure your life is comfortable, you have to make sure that the poorest people have enough to eat and get a roof over their head and provide for their family.

They probably don't need that much more.

There's a lot of interesting distraction that goes on in America.

There's a lot of things that they can take part in.

They're like beautiful and amazing and it will pacify.

But the second they go below, I can't feed myself and they have no hope of upward mobility.

They'll kill you. That is, and then when someone else kills you, they'll laugh about it and they'll be like, good.

So when I saw that, I was like, wow, Americans are very disillusioned.

I knew that there was disillusioned with like, you know, institutions.

I knew that there was issues obviously with the medical you know industrial complex or whatever these terms they start building up but that right there that is a point of concern and if you're the the really wealthy you either got to beef up security or you got to be talking to Donald and you got to be talking to these senators and go we need to do something for these people eggs got to be affordable you're pushing it's just squeezing them right now and you can only squeeze them so far before you get the French Revolution you know you can't you can't be like all right well they don't got bread

give them cake or whatever that lady said meat fucking eggs uh yeah it i was really really surprised by that as someone who i didn't have any health insurance in the us until the start of last year because i didn't have a social security number and yeah cages to get it set up and blah blah and uh i didn't know how many medical claims aren't verified or accepted or rejected i didn't know how long it got pushed back for, how long people have to wait.

Well, you can't go to that provided, the one that you want, you can go to the one that we say, and then you can't do this, and it's going to take six months, and so on and so forth.

And then you get to the end of this thing, and sorry, you're out of pocket.

The number one reason for bankruptcy in America is medical...

Medical debt. Yeah.

I mean, dude, you see the same reaction to those California fires.

The second people started to hear it was like celebs' houses, they're like, ah, I'll figure it out.

Like, they didn't really care.

Like, Californians were really concerned about it.

outside of california the symptom was kind of like you guys will be all right it's not outright applause and you got to pay attention that culture like these are the things that if you're a politician you really got to listen to and i feel like i feel like that's what the dems and i'm a lifelong i come from a dance family in new york city like what do you think my political leanings have been my entire life i grew up in the arts going to ballet a dance family in new york city right?

So you got to look at this, like Dems got to look at this and they got to start going, okay, what are we missing here?

We're not listening to the people.

I think sometimes there can be a little bit of a pretentiousness with the Dems, like where they're like, because the party is kind of ruled by these like Ivy League elites that, you know, pat themselves on the back for like caring about the oppressed and the ostracized.

And they're so detached from them that they're just like, we know what you guys need, so we'll do it.

And look that look, we're doing it right there's this pat on the back and i i mean like you they they literally need to look at bernie you like her politics or not but aoc like aoc if you want to look at data like she i think pulled the same as trump in her district now why is that those are polar opposites i don't know there's it wouldn't surprise me if we see the pendulum swinging back i can already see some you know the the anti -woke stuff that was like super cool for the last eight years something like that yeah it's that's over the so woke was over for a little while but anti -woke was lagging

behind it yeah right yeah and now when i see this crazy bathroom pronoun -y thing online it just feels like dude this was maybe how much are eggs yo this was maybe interesting and cool when you were speaking truth to power as a rebellious anarchist that was outside of the system that had now you're inside the tent pissing out sure there's one thing about the inside of tent but most people aren't even in the tent caring about your bathroom experience is way later after i could afford eggs do you know what i mean like if i can't afford eggs i don't care where you go to the bathroom i don't care what your

pronoun is like i don't care like those things don't matter to me if you got a house or you're a fucking fourth generation nepo baby from like a this like incredibly wealthy family of course your life is so good i should figure out how i can make all these you know ostracize groups comfortable but somebody that can't afford eggs and is about to default on their loan loan forget it they can't even pay their rent owning a home is like a completely different they don't care like even right now everybody's like oh the economy's tanking what's going on okay housing prices are going to come down and then

the stock market's going down right do you think that trump's supporters have money invested in the stock market do you think they own homes it's the la fires again it's they're just watching rich people lose some of their risk they don't give a fuck you know what i'm saying like so so you have to be like really tuned in to like how people are emotionally reacting to this stimulus and i think that's to me the advice that i try to give dems is like you make it a class issue and you win every single time there's a reason why people fuck with bernie sanders and aoc for that he cuts across all of the other

groups yo he's saying rich people got a lot of money you don't got a lot of money we need to get you money the only way to get it to you is about taking from doesn't matter about who you're having sex with it doesn't matter about the color you spend hey make it a class issue the reason they don't is because a lot of them are in bed with these billion dollar corporations so they can't make it a class issue because the people paying them are that high class so they're like uh trans uh bathrooms they have to make it about these identity politics issues because they can't target the real fucking issue

which is huge wealth inequality in america i don't know how to solve it i'm not smart enough to figure that shit out but i do know what the problem is and what exists and what resonates with people And that's AOC.

Like her politics or not?

Doesn't fucking matter.

Every day, she's going, hey, them rich people are trying to fuck you.

Amazon's trying to not pay you.

And the people in her neighborhood, the people who are voting for her going, I do feel like she's trying to help me out.

And they also feel Trump is trying to help her out.

So where is that Venn diagram hitting?

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you did uh a bunch of shows in the uk oh yeah talk to me about what you learned differences similarities uk us um similarities like oh you know it was really interesting to find out like how like culturally distinct the little towns in england are that's really cool like to know that like liverpool and manchester are 30 minutes apart but they're two completely different like ethnic groups so to me like going to the uk i think a lot of times we just treat white people as a monolith and the UK is a perfect example of like why you can't even do that in a tiny little country and these like little

idiosyncrasies of these these two cities that are 30 minutes away from one another and uh don't sound anything alike different lifestyles it's crazy different football teams yeah and it's uh so to me that was really exciting going into these little places and whenever i go into a place i i just really like i'm i don't know i'm curious i you know my dad was a really curious guy and i i always want to learn a little bit about something and like try to write some jokes that reflect that and um you know maybe for a few minutes in the set they get to feel really seen or kind of recognized by someone

they might not think would do that and um but yeah i love that you know going to scotland was awesome my mom's born and raised in scotland so doing that show there was really great what'd you do the hydro glasgow yeah is it the height uh sse it looks like a um armadillo yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah and um and also just the way that they react to stand up like like with the scotland show i could have just talked to them for three hours like they just wanted to be in the room and like telling stories like on some bonfire shit and it was like i'm just happy you're there you know it's fucking

miles away from everything it is that he came but there's also like this i think there's like a cultural sentiment it's like this and i think you also get another place and there's this like pub culture where we're all hanging and here's this thing and i'm gonna share with you and you guys are involved and there's gonna be some quip and we're gonna have i also think there's a little catharsis for them because like it's a little bit more censored out there so then when i come and i'm saying these jokes that are kind of wild they get to they get to have this experience it's kind of more similar

to their everyday lives.

Like there's a public persona you have to put on and then when you're at the bar with your boys, there's a very different version of you.

So now they're in public but they get that same version so I think that was cool.

Ireland was just great.

Yeah, it was awesome, man.

I will say that Middle East was more aware of American culture though than the UK.

That's interesting.

Yeah. Why do you think that is?

I think that they're all educated here and because of that they're acutely aware of our stuff and also all their tv and stuff comes from here because they're not producing their own you guys are producing your own shit right like you have all your own tv shows you love island like everybody knows these like things that you don't really know about our real housewives of fucking utah or whatever but in the middle east they're getting all of our shit because they're not producing a lot of their own shit yet well you don't know what's going on actually in the middle east that's fucking exactly we

need to not look into that at all yes give me housewives yeah yeah so so that was that was really fun too yeah it was great man it was great james the other half of newtonic went to go i love james man james is australia yeah and uh he was like they just had a baby didn't they yep yeah congrats yeah yeah yeah he's holding it down uh he did fucking 15 minutes on aussie shit it's like where the fuck did he get 15 minutes on aussie shit yeah yeah yeah yeah that aussie run was fun usually i'm only in town for a day but i got to be in australia for like a almost like a couple weeks so by the time i

got to i think it was sydney i had kind of worked out some stuff yeah like i was like oh i got a nice little chunk and that was uh yeah that was that was really cool and it's a cool thing to give them you know it's i think a lot of i guess a lot i think a lot of connor's can go to wherever and just do their set and i have my set but it's also a nice thing to go to like a complete different country and like tap into little specific things there was there anywhere that you went how many dates do you do oh god i don't know so i was on tour for two years i was probably developing it for this whole

process probably three years in the making from like building the hour and then touring it and yeah was there anywhere that sort of sticks out in your mind as being holy fuck the reaction sort of emotionally the msg was the craziest that just felt like the whole city was rooting for me and which is like the greatest honor it's like if there's one thing identifies as a new yorker like i probably identify that as before before having a kid i identified that as before anything before being like a why yeah before i'm american i'm a new yorker like so just to see the whole city like excited for me

he was like one of us did it like i don't even know how many new yorkers have done msg you know and so hometown hero yeah it just felt like i did something good for the city and i'm so i just love new york like i i'm even annoyed now there's like this push about like the liberal cities are falling apart it's like none of you want to live anywhere else shut up you shut up like i know you moved to austin but come on you don't want to be here like you know what i mean it's okay it's it's okay like i tell people like it was like austin's so amazing i go okay stop do you want to be a stand -up comedian okay

yeah move to austin the opportunities for you like rogue and kill tony all these things where you see young comics exploding are here i get it but like you're not moving here for this like rich cultural experience you know what i mean there's like two restaurants everybody's yeah the food is so good it's like yeah because you are from montana you know what i mean like you have a fucking pf chang's and then you move here and you go to uchi and you're like oh wow this is fucking good yeah there's 17 uchies in a three block radius in new york like why are we even having this conversation so it's

i think that the the coastal cities need to get back to our elitism a little bit i think we're a little like sad or like insecure or something like that right now and it's just like all right there's still some hangover from covid i think you know new york and la put their foot both of their feet inside of their mouths for a fucking two years straight horse of course and it was bad and it sucked the way they handled it you know what i mean and it's a very different thing to handle obviously when you're living on top of each other and you're all going on subways to get it's a bit dense it's a different

problem to solve like everybody lives in their own house and you live a mile away from each other yeah you can make shit a little bit less restrictive you know i mean but when you live in an apartment building you need some fucking rules you know what i mean like the puerto ricans got to turn the music off at 10 that's a rule that's government overreach and i'm happy about it and you don't understand it because you don't have an entire puerto rican family above you blasting bad bunny at fucking 11 o 'clock while your baby's trying to go to sleep so there's certain things where you start to appreciate

government overreach and where they come from.

And then there's some where you're like, okay, this is ridiculous.

I can't renovate my home without going to 15 different government agencies to get permission to put a mirror in my bathroom.

It gets a little ridiculous.

But in terms of like the great established cities in America, like, what are we even talking about?

Like if the tax rates were the same in Austin as they were in New York, none of y 'all would live here.

So stop acting like this is this amazing place.

It's like, you want to save money you're millionaires i get it it's millions of dollars i get it and none of you are like from new york so you don't have any connection to it but like to get me to move out of new york do you know the deal i would have to sign and i would do it if it was the right number but like it's a tax saving thing i it's just say you're saving money that's my thing like and save the money do it but don't give me the shit about all the city is so amazing your plane couldn't even land because of the wind fucking wizard of Oz what are we talking about you know what I mean I'm

eating a salad today a tomato flew off the salad hit me in the chest and I'm like this is a city like people choose to live here the wind is taking tomatoes off of my plate right so let's just let's just have an honest assessment of what's going on here will you pay 12 % more to not live here I will but I'm from New York and I love it if you if you're from another city and you just went to New York to make it and it looks like there's more opportunities here, then fucking move here.

Were you crazy? Why would you not do that?

I think you need a very particular type of nervous system to live in New York.

You need to be okay with chaos at all times.

Like there doesn't seem to be much.

And I guess you can be in different areas.

New York is not just one thing, right?

You can go fucking like upstate and whatever.

But if you're talking anywhere around Manhattan, it's like you need to be able, you're in cocaine, first line cocaine energy at all times.

All times. I mean, yeah, I'm just, I'm used to chaos.

chaos is comforting to me i get more comfortable the more chaotic is i asked samarill about this and he said uh what was it that you can walk down the street bump into somebody and think to yourself i hope that guy dies but later that night you think to yourself good day yeah yeah that's funny that's funny yeah yeah it's uh shout out sam man yeah that is uh yeah there is just a unique energy it's and i guess you i think i think growing up with it obviously makes it much easier to handle i think it's probably daunting for people to move there and that's why i say like you shouldn't move there unless

you want to make it it doesn't matter what you want to make it in you want to make it in finance okay do that you want to make it in you know you want to be a doctor whatever the fuck you want to do do it but like just moving there for comfort is a stupid thing yeah you're going to spend tons of money and you're not going to be comfortable there's no comfort it's not comfortable but there is opportunity it's opportunity and you'll be the greatest at what you do it's like the greatest of what they do come from there simple as that well you have to be in order to survive or else you just get chewed

up and you're not the greatest unless you've lived in new york nobody who's the greatest at what they do in america has not spent time in new york and you could say anything like i'm just trying to think anything like who just let's say it like whatever any comedian they lived in new york i'm sorry they lived in new york anyone that is the greatest lived in New York you gotta pass through you gotta because if you want to be the best you got to be with the best and that's where they are any banker you lived in New York name any chef you lived in New York it's a right of passage you gotta it's it's

not even like how do we even know you're that good unless you can do it here like if you can make it here you make it anyway that's that's a real statement yeah the the energy of New York kind of reminds me of what the news feels like at the moment it's like unrelenting and uh i was talking to segura about this that it's been what two months now less than two months trump's been in office yeah and i've already got such fucking news and like trump fatigue i thought we were over this shit it's so exhausting i thought this time around people would be like uh okay whatever i've seen it done it but no it's

it's getting really really like i just i can't i'm checking out so much and i'm aware this is a position of privilege not need to care about what politics is impacting your life like in some ways maybe not needing to listen to the news is kind of that once you have kids bro you none of this you don't care you you care about like big ticket things that could affect them but your life becomes so small that's the other thing it's like people aren't having kids until like later so that's why you get all these people that are like really active on the internet because they're just bored they have nothing

to do they want to like feel part of something they want to make change they don't realize it right this is like something that's happening internally but like everything just feels like the biggest deal once you like you don't see like a mom with three kids at like a protest during the week do you know what I mean like she's trying to get them to nap you know what I mean you never see a mom with mayonnaise on her sweater at some fucking random protest for tesla how have you changed since you've become a dad just the outside stuff doesn't matter as much like I just care about like how my wife

my my my daughter my think about me like if my wife and my daughter are happy with me like my daughter's happy with me i can even deal with my wife being pissed like and then you know everything just gets a little bit smaller you you know it's like um yeah it's just amazing it's like the only thing you think about all day pretty much you know just that little you know that little little girl and it's just really awesome and you've become like a real person i'm not saying you're not a real person but like you just there's a difference like once you have a family like you're invested in the world

in a way different way and you become like a real human being like even on stage the second i mentioned that i have a kid like my relation to the audience is completely different i'm not just some asshole with a fucking part in my hair like talking shit about all these things like everything actually impacts me publicly masturbating look at how great i am what an asshole what an asshole to do that but now that i have a kid and like anytime i bring up some trans shit or some vaccine shit it's like no i have an actual reason to do that you know what i mean like this in the game beyond my own sense

of being important exactly you know so it's a beautiful thing like i think it brings out like the the best version of people i see the best version of people with their kids i've got this theory that uh because people are having kids later especially guys that are a lot of the stuff that people invest themselves into the personal development the self growth yeah the business the the muscle gain all of that stuff uh a lot of those projects are surrogate families because you haven't had one yet oh wow and yeah all of the energy that would be put into protect baby protect wife or protect baby protect

husband like do the thing homemaking is i don't have that but i've still got this sort of sense to be agentic and make something happen in the world yeah but i i don't have this the thing i don't have a little thing.

So I'm going to put it into a business or I'm going to put it into a side project or into my body or into my mindfulness or into my political party or whatever it might be.

Which is great. Like, especially where you're putting it into your body.

I think that's great.

Like, I'd love the longevity stuff.

I, you know, I have, you have a kid, you want to live longer, you know, naturally.

Um, yeah, I, I like, I like that, but I think that you're right because there's no way that like my wife would be like, Hey, could you change the kid's diaper?

And I'd be like, I have two minutes left in my ice bath.

I'm sorry. I, you know, I need my ice bath for the next two minutes, you'll have to change the diaper.

That doesn't exist.

So you have to manipulate and change your life.

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Did you find that, you know, some of the more egotistical or like self -centered concerns that you had and things that you used to sort of worry yourself with dropped away?

Was it almost like you sort of cleansed yourself of that because you've got something that is so dependent on you that worrying about, have I optimized my ice bath?

Where am I at with such and such?

It's like all of that fluff gets stripped back because you're just looking after the kid yeah like i would say like any kind of longevity stuff is just so i can play paddle do you know paddle the sport yeah like so like anything about me like i go to like pt and do all this stuff but it is just so i can continue playing this one thing which is like a beautiful moment of distraction that takes me away from the the lovely anxiety of you know bringing a human being into this world you know but yeah it's yeah i yeah there's this thing and also like every single day you feel purposeful that's the other

thing about having a kid that you don't realize it's like uh you feel proud of yourself by like three you know like when you don't have a kid and it's like a weekend and you're like party the night before and you're just like hung over and shit and like you party the night before and then you have a kid and you're up and taking care of it by like noon you're like i'm the man Like, I should party sometime.

Yeah, like there isn't this like guilt and shame that you put on yourself.

Like, what am I doing with my life?

I just need to always be creating stuff in the world because you've already done the creation thing.

Yeah, like I probably drink way more now, but I'm looking after my kids.

So I'm like, I'm a responsible human being.

Or a functioning alcoholic.

Yeah, whatever it is, you know, but yeah, no, it's cool, man.

Do you want them? I can't wait to be a dad.

I absolutely can't wait to be a dad.

What's your process with that?

Like, how is it hard to meet people?

Like, you're obviously a successful, handsome guy, charming, smart.

Like, do you find it difficult to connect with the women?

It's weird dating when you're a little bit older.

Like I'm 37. I was 37 last week.

And that's an interesting one because the longer that you wait, the kind of higher that your bar gets.

And it's this sort of sunk cost fallacy thing where you think, well, I've waited this long.

What's the point? You know, things.

You don't want to settle.

Yeah. the things have to become more perfect which you know in itself is a a difficult circle to square because you also know well if i can clock stick in dude well hurry up think about that so the older you get the higher your bars and the older a woman gets the lower her bars because she's running out of time so it puts you guys in very difficult situations right and there's this crazy societal expectation like women's moms really put on women like get you got to get married like the second they're fucking 11 they're like you got to get married you got to have kids you got to get this pressure

pressure pressure so i think women are i think women's greatest fear is being alone not being with the wrong person and our greatest fear is being with the wrong person like i didn't meet my wife until late for the same reason i was like i don't want to settle i don't want to be with somebody you know like i figured out more of like what that person wanted and i can kind of like be that version of that but it didn't make me happy right which i imagine you've probably gone through in your life like you know you probably had tons of different girls you're like oh this girl needs a listener oh this girl

needs this and but you're not being you so you're not going to connect with that person but the tricky thing is that women because they're so afraid of being alone i think a lot of them they end up being with guys they don't really like and that's what i think this like ick red flag culture is have you heard of women all on the air talking about their icks and the red flags when you're with someone you don't like everything about them is irritating so you don't actually have the ick you're not there aren't actually red flag oh i don't like a guy when it's raining he raises his shoulders you know

i don't like a guy who like yawns without his can in his mouth like these stupid things that really would never impact how a girl feels about you you just hate the guy you're with but you're terrified of being alone because if you like the guy that would be cute everything we do is cute the amount of like my wife watches me pick my nose ball up the booger and just flick it out of the playpen because i'm playing with my daughter and she's just like that was disgusting and it's fine it doesn't impact how much she loves me at i'm farting left and i'm doing all these disgusting red flag ick things

but she loves me so it doesn't matter you know what i mean and i think that i think that yeah like i i never understood this like ick red flag culture i was like are women just like annoyed with us what the fuck is going on no they don't want to be alone and they're with guys they do not fucking like it's a big it's a huge issue well there's a problem someone gave me this piece of advice not long ago uh as I they said do you want to be a dad and I said yes I can't wait to be a dad they sort of wagged my waggled their finger in in my face and they said make sure that you fall in love with the girl

not the institution and the point being if you want to be a dad or if you want to be a mom a lot great advice you can what was it they said uh with rose colored glasses on red flags don't look red like if you just want the thing yeah I want to be a dad I want to be a mom I want to be married I want to be not alone whatever the thing that you want you're able to ah not so big of a deal and it's like you're not getting married to marriage you're getting married to a person yep you're not having a baby with the process of childhood you're having a baby with another human that's a great piece of advice

dude that is like yeah that's magnificent and it's so true you gotta find that connection with that person where even if you didn't have kids you would be happy you just love that person and then kids are these blessings because that irritation will build i'm sure you've dated people that like you thought you liked them beginning and then eventually it wasn't there and it's just like every little thing drove you fucking crazy and that we hopefully at that point we start going i don't want to be with you or we just treat him shitty which is the worst version of it hoping that they'll like uh it's

the equivalent of you can't find me i quit but it's trying to get the other person to realize that i'm not going to fire you i'm going to make you quit i'm going to be a coward that's uh yeah yeah I had a conversation with a friend a little while ago, and he had this sentence where he said, all my life I was worried that I was a coward.

And then he had a bunch of, a sequence of really, really tough events happen to him.

He said, you know, I always like surrounded myself with hard men.

I always thought I was a bit of a hard man.

And, you know, I did martial arts and, you know, it was like around people that were like special forces and stuff like that.

It's like, but I never really really tested myself and then one day like the world came and i it wasn't discomfort that i'd chosen it was discomfort that was forced on me by the world maybe like having a fertility yeah or whatever and uh he said all my life i'd heard my better self clearing his throat in the room next door and one day this thing happened and he was like i wonder if he's gonna kick the door in and fucking stop coughing and come through he's like he did that's good and uh but courage yeah i think you can pretty much like life your life is kind of restricted by the amount of courage

that you're prepared to deploy and i mean how many how long have everybody listening to this stayed in relationships because they were terrified of breaking somebody else's heart that was dependent on them or losing the love of somebody that they felt it was unrequited and they needed the validation of it yeah like it's noble and understandable and sensitive and largely driven by fear and cowardice yeah and if you had like you know a cool question to ask yourself would be what would i do if i had three times the bravery like what would i do yeah what decisions would i make yeah if i was like three

times as brave as i am yeah well yeah a lot of times we think that uh it's not a lack of bravery but it's a it's a it's too much compassion you know like breaking up with this person would be too hurtful for them and we don't realize that like being with them when you don't like them is actually way more hurtful and we don't even realize it's this bravery deficit we're like i'm too calm too nice i'm just too nice i don't want to hurt her yeah you're being yeah you're being a pussy and we've all been pussies i've been tons of fucking times and then we're like retrofit justifications we're like

no man it's about being loyal and committing to something it's like yeah you do that when you find the right girl when you find the right girl you commit to it and you work everything out and that is another thing too it's like marriages you look at movies and shit like that and you think it's just oh this is just going to be super sweet and perfect and every single thing no no it's fucking hard when you do it with the right person you're willing to work through all those difficult times and then you get confidence in your ability to work through difficult shit you two against the hard not you

two against each other yeah um what changes in a relationship or sort of what have you noticed about stuff that's interesting to navigate once there's a third participant so like there's this part of you that you want your kids to know how loved they are like i don't ever want my daughter to even understand what it is to be like adored because it's so normal you know what i mean like i like my my friend uh so my friend jamil like he reminded me this recently like my dad was just the best he was just the fuck he was at every single basketball game whatever and he goes and he was like it was almost

like a surrogate dad to a lot of my friends you know like he was just like so much dad energy that he had it spilling over around the cup loved it he just loved it like he was just whatever they needed like i remember one of my boys got into like trouble on some gang shit and like my dad i was like yeah i think he he can't like leave his house like they're like there's this gang that's kind of like after him or whatever and um and uh and i was like yeah we got to help him out and my dad was like well you know why don't we just go get the car and go pick him up and i was like are you sure you feel

comfortable doing these like yeah so we like drive a toyota sienna minivan into the fucking heart of the bronx and we're like picking up my boy so he doesn't get murdered by this gang and it's just the type of like he didn't even think twice about it like it's just kind of who he is and um so you there's all this focus on like okay i want her to feel loved i want her to feel supported i want anytime she shows excitement around me i want that to be met i don't want her to feel like ignored and i i notice uh so i'll like call my wife to facetime like and around the baby's naps so if i'm like at work

or something like that like i'm just i know when the baby's up boom the call and um i called my wife i think it was today and uh she was like in the car coming back from like a class or something and then she's like oh i know you're calling to say hi to to shiloh but uh i'm not home just yet and i was like oh fuck I got a call to say hi to you more too like it's very easy to to to just put all the focus on your daughter and they cannot resent you for that because they love that you're so committed to this child you're being a good dad yes but not necessarily a great husband you got also I realized

I got to also be making those calls when it's just her and just talking to her and putting that time - Is it challenging to keep the romance alive?

I mean, yeah. I mean, like, of course, you know, it's really the sleep that is the challenge over everything.

It's, once you have a baby, there's no real sleeping, especially if your wife breastfeeds, like they're up every two hours, even in the night.

Like, so there's no like, you like scheduling fucks, you know?

Like, you're like, okay, we got to do it around this window and this is the window.

And like, maybe sometimes you guys go out and you let it rip, but you know, you got to be up every morning 6 45 we're up every morning 6 45 whether we want to sleep in or not it's 6 45 that baby's waking up around like 6 30 they kind of look up in the sky for a little bit and then they're like all right it's time for some fucking titty and then it's go time so it's it's more just about like creating those moments and like scheduling them but not really making it feel scheduled if you will you know yeah well i imagine i've heard you talk about this before the role of thoughtfulness relationships

yeah uh and how difficult it must be to be thoughtful because all of your fucking attention and energy is just being put into this tiny thing that's totally this blob right it's a blob it's a big blob of stuff yeah you and her and what thoughtfulness have you got trying to keep it alive yeah yeah it's it is uh but you gotta do it you gotta do it because the better you guys are the better that baby is you know having a shot at life you know fractured families they fuck kids up they fuck kids up i listened to the first half of andrew tate on patrick bett david's podcast yeah how was that uh how

do you feel about tate coming back interesting one dude uh i mean he's currently being subpoenaed investigated something by the state of florida yeah just opened up some warrant type thing for him yeah um i think it's a bit of a brave call from the u .s to do that at like this time to be like yeah yeah yeah come on over when we're talking about worries about trafficking and the UK's got lots of concerns about grooming gang you can say what you want about the uh validity of the case around tape yeah optics are optics so yeah you're you're speaking on something that I really like which is there are facts

and then there is uh emotional reactivity optics is what you're talking about and people are emotional they just react emotionally to whatever they see and it's important to meet them there.

Do you know what I mean?

There's going to be an idea of who you are from people who don't really know you.

Casuals on the internet might see a single clip.

And that idea that they have, maybe it's wrong, but just going, oh, you're wrong and writing it off isn't how you're going to address a bigger problem.

This is where Ben Shapiro gets it 100 % backward.

He says, facts don't care about your feelings.

This one in particular.

Feelings do not give a single fuck But he's like an autistic robot.

Like he doesn't understand.

He like, he caught a great grift off like the Christians.

And now that he no longer has societal utility, he's like really struggling.

Like societal utility is oftentimes what can make people like really powerful.

And he rose to fame at a time where like conservatives felt like really scrutinized just for their beliefs.

And a lot of them just didn't have the arguments to defend their positions, right?

They grew up in cities and states where it was normal to be a conservative.

And then all of a sudden, they're in these other places we're like can I even share this?

Can I say him? Because there was like really radioactive to be conservative and then all of a sudden he's like this like really obviously smart Harvard educated arguer.

He's like a really good arguer in developing ideas and bits and putting together these arguments they're like foolproof and he handed them off to those people but now being conservative is more popular than being democratic.

This was the point I was saying earlier on about you know you can speak truth to power and be that sort of it was almost like like rock star -y like kind of like rebellious anarchistic type thing it's like it's just the kind of position that most people hold now around a lot of it yeah we probably should be careful about what we're doing to teenagers yeah hormones we should probably be a little bit concerned about so now that it's the norm he no longer has the same societal utility that's interesting and then israel palestine happens and now the base doesn't agree with him and now they're like

well we don't need you for the arguments it's like normal to be conservative now it's like if anything democrats need the arguments right so now like and we don't agree with you on the israel palace that thing man the fuck out of here but yeah i mean when you think about the so he caught a good grift but you know the grifts only last for so long would you make it the tate thing from coming back i mean he's an american citizen you have to protect american citizens and just because he hasn't been convicted of anything so on he hasn't been convicted of anything he's an american citizen, we have to

protect our citizens and you're allowed to say whatever you want as an American.

This is free speech.

We believe in all those things.

So like, there's no question whether you have to let an American back.

Of course you have to let an American back.

Now, the emotional reaction is you were talking crazy shit about America.

And then when you get clipped over there in Romania, now you're coming back to daddy.

So I need, I need you to acknowledge who the goat is.

I don't need you talking about the West, this and America's dad and the West is falling.

Well, why are you coming back to the fall?

Like when it got rough and they were locking you and your brother up probably wrongfully.

I don't know. He's not convicted.

Like if there was enough to convict, they would have convicted.

Right. But you came running back.

So I need you to at least acknowledge why you came running back.

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the the nicholas cage guy from the movie right we need to give you nicholas cage back to get britney grinder right but at the end of the day she's an american and if american gets clipped we're gonna ride for our boys are girls yeah yeah yeah uh it's gonna be interesting to see what happens man holy fuck like i just can't this goes back to what i said before about the pace of the news yeah like every single hour you remember when trump got shot in the ear yeah you online were you like i mean everybody kind of got dragged online when it happened yeah i remember i was in montana i was in bozeman montana of course

sat at dinner you know every single person is just like glued fog of war no one has any and i remember thinking this is the quickest i've ever seen news move yeah and now if you're offline for four hours you come back on and you're like holy what that happened what in how long dude i took a nap today i woke up and he's doing the press conference for like the doge cuts in front of like the whole senate and there's like they're kicking out hecklers i thought it was like one of my shows it was like i think al green got like escorted out of the Senate.

It was amazing. I mean, and then the reactions on the Internet was, yeah, it's a lot.

But that's the thing that this is the tricky thing about, like, the administration right now, like.

They're being understanding, like, the mechanism of politics, like being a good politician, as much as we go, oh, hey, politicians, it is valuable in that, like, you want to be able to disseminate information that americans already support in a way where they feel comfortable continuing to support it i don't know if there's any american out there that's like i like waste i like corruption i like fraud all of us unanimously are like yeah i think the government's got some waste corruption and fraud and we should get that out of there those should be a bipartisan victory for america and i think that the way

that's kind of being positioned and there's like a little antagonism in it and there's uh not maybe uh and elon's on this too he's like he's responsible for this too it's a little bit antagonistic yes no need to twist the knife it's like you already got everybody on board and then when you like fire some people and have to rehire them it's okay to be like hey we made a mistake we're humans we're gonna make mistakes and we're gonna do our as opposed to sort of sticking it in the nose of everybody else like how useless this is yeah i had this uh i had this insight a couple years ago that um if you

really care about changing people's minds, you'll dial back the sort of aggression of your argument because very few people are patronized or shamed or passive aggressed into changing their mind.

So this sort of soft signal of effectiveness, dude, if you really, really care about changing people's minds, you'll actually go more gently, not more aggressively.

And I don't think it's a really astute point to say that I don't think that we're seeing that.

And what did you expect?

Like you positioned yourself as the adversary to this other side and then said they should be on board they should take me like whipping them and scorning them and laughing at them and mocking them yeah and they should still come begging back to daddy yeah it's it is it is tricky also because obviously the opposition is going to campaign against whatever the decision is because i think democrats are still like they don't they still think that if you just paint trump and elon all these people as bad that that will allow them to win when you don't even have to paint them as bad like you just need

to give us hope and abundance like all Americans want is abundance Americans are kind of simple I'll be honest with you like we're very simple people what is more you know like buffets are popular here that's more what is the biggest steak more like cheesecake factory just more give me more like so when Trump goes up and he's like and also you could just say shit without doing it and we like it like when Trump goes Greenland I think that might be ours.

We go, that seems more.

Seems like a lot more.

I like it. If that never happens, it's fine.

What Democrats need to do is, in my opinion, just start saying the things that you want to do that give me abundance and be radical about it.

Stop being concerned about like pissing every little group off.

Be radical. I need an outsider Democrat to go, eggs are a dollar.

We're capping it. We're subsidizing it like we subsidize corn.

If all these corn and dairy farmers get their money.

Why can't the egg farmers get theirs?

It's a dollar for eggs.

That's what it is. When we get in, it's a dollar for eggs.

I guarantee you saying, saying, Hey, we're taking that land over there.

We're building 10 ,000 affordable housing units, and we're going to drop the price of rent by 30 % in this city.

And then saying, I don't give a fuck about what these fancy developers think they're going to do with it.

It's going to be affordable housing.

We're going to drop, say some shit, be risky.

We liked Bernie because he was like you're taking shots at all these billionaire corporations like who the fuck is this guy like i need you to be brave but understand who the bad guy is they're looking at trump and elon and going those guys are the bad guys no the majority of the country voted for them they don't see them as bad yet you could try to make them radioactive but they don't really see them as bad you know who they do see as bad is the people stopping them from getting eggs and the people stopping them from paying rent bad i don't know do you understand what i'm saying like like i feel

like this is like if you actually listen to people it's not really that difficult there's such an addiction to purity though inside of the left right like everybody's done the why i left the left thing right yeah sort of classic dave rubin arc from yeah disaffected leftists to now person that's on the right because they i didn't leave the left they went away from me or whatever version of that you want to do has anybody can you think of anybody that's gone in the opposite direction that's gone from like right of center and then being i am now a spokesperson for the left wow that's a great question um

i'm sure there are people they're probably out but they don't come to mind in the same way right you don't have the same like rfk tulsi gabbard elon rogan uh you know and those are that's just like the fucking biggest names in the world of this yeah Wow, that's a really good point.

And it's because there is such a level of purity that you need to reach in order to be accepted by the left.

The right will take you, flawed as you are, this sort of political leper coming in with like a foot missing and fucking your ears hanging off.

And they're like, you're kind of all right.

I mean, we don't fully agree with you on that thing, but we'll take you.

Fuck, you know the perfect example of this?

Remember when Nicki Minaj for like two weeks during COVID was anti -vax?

Yeah, yeah. And the right was like, come here, fucking Anaconda.

like bring bring the fucking bbl our way and they were like she's a fucking darling we'll take her so but if your coalition is held together firstly by finding people who do not have sufficiently pure opinions yeah pointing at them in scapegoats and saying that they're part of the out group yeah that's like you know fucking seppuku or harikari or whatever it's called that's like the most self -immolation because you're just finding an increasingly small number of people that meet an increasingly high bar of purity yeah that's you know like all you're doing is shrinking your fucking coalition over

and over until it's like one person left yeah uh and the right doesn't have that problem well because they weren't in power when you're in power you start to become uh very specific about yeah it's just like like a country club is hard to get into those are people in power interesting so you're saying that sort of the elitism the exclusionary thing is it's enabled by being in power it's queers for palestine you know it's like anybody who's down to help we're gonna take because we need it we need it so you take anybody's help you don't fucking care if you're struggling whoever's gonna help you

and then when you're in power you get very specific about the people who want to help you well maybe apply yeah let's see we're gonna look in and see your total beliefs and and how you feel about the entire world i do that's that's it i will be fascinated to see if that's sort of a right of center uh permission uh increased amount of permission that they have to accept people if that gets reversed that will happen without a doubt over the next few years you will see these like stephen a smith types who will proliferate democratic circles who are in no way the like ideal version of a democrat from four

years ago or six years ago but what they will see is salvation in them and they'll be like this is he has enough of our values and he could potentially win or at least he could espouse the shit that could make our party look cool body joy behard the other day that was incredible but that's i mean but that's kind of what you need you you know what else i think if i was to just chuck a little bet on for something that's very very reliably going to happen over the next three years before the end of this administration the mother of all blow -ups between elon and trump so how do you see that happening

i've heard a lot of people charlemagne talks about this all the time trump thinks that uh sorry charlemagne thinks trump is going to put him in prison okay that's a take that i hadn't heard before but yeah but uh what do you now you know charlemagne is is very democrat like obviously he's going to have some bias that goes into this but uh but what do you what is your take and how do you see that relationship going I just think that when you've got two people with so much power and ego, and I do, from what I can tell, Elon's ego and that sort of self -focused self -belief, like it's me and I'm going

to be the center of all of this, seems to be ramping up.

that is probably a pretty dangerous cocktail based on some stories and stuff that I've heard about behind the scenes from Trump, about some levels of vulnerability and sort of like flimsy senses of he doesn't like to be shown up, doesn't like to be sort of upstaged.

And I don't know if Elon has the emotional intelligence of J .D.

Vance. to be able to tiptoe around and yes sir no sir three bags full sir jd and why i say do not treat that man lightly i think he has like he came from like poverty i think his mom was like a drug addict like and then he ends up going to yale and then he becomes the vp of a guy that he campaigned against and said was horrible and like a tyrant do you know the level of emotional intelligence it takes to go from like a broke middle America broken family to an Ivy League institution to then VP for the guy who does not he doesn't always keep in it like you can say things about Trump but if it's

advantageous for whatever his plan is he will forgive you you know he's kind of like Vince Mann in that regard like whatever works for the thing but like that takes high EQ even in that moment with Zelensky he's managing Trump like he's He did have a moment for himself, but everything he said was, and you show respect to Trump and Donald Trump's office.

So he knows the game he's playing.

Oh, that what I'm saying is don't treat him lightly.

What our coastal elites we always do is when someone has a kind of Southern accent, we think they're idiots.

And we and we don't we don't even really pay attention to them.

And that man is someone I see a problem with JD before I see Elon.

but What do you think is going to happen with Elon long term with Trump?

Nothing Do you think that he's going to dance through the minefield?

I don't think I think he's acutely aware of his limitations in America He cannot physically be president If he could be president I think there is a concern because eventually he'll go when they have an impasse he'll just go well I'll just run against you He cannot The laws dictate he cannot So inevitably you're going to have to bow down at some point.

You're as high as you can go, Elon.

That's only based on the fact that you can put the outcomes that you want for your project behind your ego.

Yes. And I'm not sure which one is going to be the bigger priority.

But the only other thing he could do is leverage the Democrats, which have already made him radioactive.

Like no Democrat can side with Elon.

So Elon is as far as he can go in America.

He can't go any further.

like this is outside of being present like there's that great line in game of thrones where like uh cersei is talking to little finger and little finger is like you know you know little finger the character and little finger goes uh you know what i've learned over the years is that uh you know knowledge is power and there's all these guards around her and them and and she goes uh guards slit his throat and they all walk up and put a knife to his throat and then she goes guards stand down guards take two steps back guards take six steps back and then she goes power is power and it's just so fire

and it's like trump has power power's power that is the closest elon can get to power and i don't think there's another president that will allow elon to have that access to power so elon either has to hope there's another person that he could ride with and establish a relationship and maybe that's jd but he have to wait to the next administration anyway so what he can't do is sour all the republicans on him like i i cannot see the situation where they get into trouble because there's nowhere else for him to go he either have to jump parties which is very difficult after chastising the left all

this like he's made his bed and he's high he has access to all these things and i think it does benefit him the most if America is successful because all his businesses are tied up in America.

He could jump ship to another country.

But that's not the thing I worry about because I think he's smart enough to understand the position he's in.

Eventually you hit the, this is what happens with all rich people that actually want to move weight around.

You hit the impasse of government and you have people who are way less successful than you, way poorer than you telling you whether you can or can't build a factory or do whatever you want to do and in that moment they go fuck i just worked my ass off i got fucking yachts and everything and now i gotta go kiss this guy's dick like you saw them all lined up behind trump during the inauguration zuckerberg base everybody went to kiss the ring and he set him up letting everybody else know they're kissing the ring and i think elon goes i got the best seat it don't get better than this and this guy

trusts me and believes in me i can't fuck this up and he's dealt with governors mayors and all this other shit that he doesn't respect at all so he's like it's not going to get better than this i if i don't think you can ruin it is if they change the rule to let non -citizens become president now we have an issue but trump would never change that rule because it's his security blanket right there it's it's actually kind of like brilliantly done by trump it's ride with me against the left now he elon can't go to the left so he has to be loyal to you it's he's it's like he's zelinski well everybody

that's everybody that's associated with trump is so unspeakable and toxic that they're never going to be allowed back so now you've got the loyalty built right there yeah can i ask you a question about um uh russia do you feel an existential threat threat uh do you feel russia is an existential threat as a european that's an interesting question so no uh at least but the uk and europe feel like very different places forget brexit forget the fact that we actually left the european union yeah we just don't think about that i think that people in the uk feel that they are much closer to america and are under the uh

they're on maybe not quite on par but that they're in that circle much more than we are with fucking norway or finland or switzerland some shit um yeah but i i understand that a lot of people are worried about in europe what does the potential support of russia or lack of support for the ukraine mean is russia just going to keep on bowling through it's fucking donbass paris and then london like what's going to stop i don't know i think to be honest i think that the uk has got such huge fucking domestic problems at the moment that they're not gonna worry about no no i was speaking to comedian named

Ari Maddy and he he's from Estonia and he grew up like feeling Russia as an existential threat and and he's like yeah like we get taught all the time that like they could come invade and he's there's like yeah they're teaching in Russian schools like Estonia is actually part of Russia and one day we'll get it back like so Americans we're so far away from this idea of like russian invading i was trying to understand zelinski's like confidence going into this meeting with trump like i didn't understand why he he felt comfortable pushing back because i think the american perspective is like you guys

can't survive without us that's the perspective to any country we kind of give weapons to it's like you can't do it without us right and um i think that's a lot of times like the the hotbed conversation even with israel -palestine here is like the perspective for Americans is like Israel cannot defend itself without American weapons.

So applying pressure to America is what actually stops the war, right?

Now, I don't even know if that's true.

I don't know. Maybe Israel can.

I'm not sure, but that's the American feeling, right?

So when he said that to me, I was like, oh shit, maybe that's why Zelensky had so much confidence in that meeting because he's like, oh yeah, everybody knows that Russia will just steamroll into Europe.

And then so all these European countries won't let that happen.

And we're the heroes fighting at the front line to make sure that Paris is not part of Russia.

So they would never like, I wonder if he walked in with the confidence of like, they would be crazy to not keep funding this because next it's going to be Germany's taken over.

Like, of course, they're going to give us the money because that's the only thing that could justify the attitude in the room.

Does that make sense?

Yeah, absolutely. well you've definitely got it feels like you've got an ace in your pocket and you think what the fuck is that yeah like why is it that you're not that worried uh i don't know man i mean how quickly we forgot about the issue of russia and ukraine because everything kicked off in and then how quickly we've forgotten about gaza now that russia and ukraine are back in the headlines isn't that yeah we stepped away from it completely it was i used to see people's windows changed in new york it was a black lives matter flag then it got taken down and then it was a ukraine flag and they

got taken down and then it was a palestine flag and then it got taken brought me back to ukraine it's like what do you think's going on with the epstein list you see this it's been treated like the fucking longest album drop of all time people holding it like it's the fucking wu -tang clans unreleased mixtape they're like uh george rr martin when are you going to release the next game of thrones like jesus christ dude yeah i don't know i my suspicion is that um most of these things are far less interesting than we build them up to be and that like i think in our in our brains when we build out

justifications for them for these things we remove the idea of incompetence incompetence never exists in a conspiracy right as conspiracy is always like this nefarious intent that was like thoroughly plotted and executed but even like the 9 -11 is an inside job thing and I think that there's been a lot of details on this my suspicion is that like there was probably American intelligence agencies that were aware that a plan a plot was being planned and this is where the the arguments did they purposely let it happen so that this or were they pushed to let it happen or did they not take it seriously

and then it happened and then everyone at that agency that's in a position of power is going fuck fuck oh this is my fault i let this fucking Okay.

We got to find a way to make it seem like this is not on.

And I, my suspicion is that is most conspiracy stuff where it's like, there's some incompetence and then someone trying to cover up incompetence.

And that leads to this insane conspiracy because this person is trying to protect a lie.

There's a, so the Epstein thing.

Yeah. Well, I mean, look, people hold two very contradictory thoughts in their mind at the same time one being government is so useless that we need this south african guy to come in and rip it apart and they couldn't run a piss up in a brewery yeah and they're all spending all of their time speaking to donors and also yeah they are the overlords that are creating the new world order and we need to be very concerned about them the cia and the nsa and the fbi and the three -letter agencies and they're trying to trans the kids and you go well which one is it yeah it's nowhere it's neither it's in the middle

Yeah. It's like there's going to be some, sure, there'll be some really, really competent, really nasty, mean -spirited people trying to get stuff done.

And even if, let's say that that's like a significant portion, who are the foot soldiers that are trying to do it?

These like employed retards that have managed to like stumble their way into fucking government.

And you go, okay, are you really going to trust him?

John's going to deploy a master plan to like New World order the global vaccine passport yeah really yeah yeah it's uh yeah it's freaky i mean the thing that i would like to do for the epstein list is i don't know if we ever get a list but i would love to hear lex wexner les wexner is that his name the guy who is the so epstein managed one guy's money and his name is les wexner the guy i think he lives in like ohio he's the guy who uh started victoria's secret yeah and he only managed one guy's money so that's where he was able to leverage all these relationships and do all this other shit with this one

guy's money and i don't think victoria's secret is what it used to be like i don't think girls are buying like victoria's secret lingerie anymore like i think the business is kind of what it will be in target soon or something right so now he does and he's also like 90 years old give him immunity and just tell us what it was what's going on were you compromised was it massad was it cia was it both like just tell us give somebody immunity and tell us what happened like even the gillane i can't trust the immunity because her dad was all fucking mobbed up or whatever so this guy is the guy who's

the money guy just he's fucking 90 like who cares yeah give him immunity and then what you'll get is at least like we're we're dying to figure out what the fuck happened just give us enough nutrients where we can move on right like now it is delicate obviously you have there's a lot of like they're like release the list and it's like okay well there's a lot of like girls who are teenagers probably on this list that are like Nate like so I get that like you have to talk to them to make sure that's good before you react it but if you got a bunch of senators are out there or like these tech people

like yeah release it run it I just don't know if we ever get it but i think he is the key so i would like to know i think you can strategically smart move just it trickles down you need money to be qualified to be in all these circles they only trust you because you're managing this guy's money he's got to know something and he gave you the money instead of jamie diamond he could give anyway the money so just tell us what the fuck is going on less and then you get to die not a complete shithead like you're still a shithead but at least people would be like all right you go to last breath you did

something pretty cool yeah i mean i don't know what would you do you think we'll ever see it do you think i don't know man i mean i love the idea that we just need to close the loop so that we can stop talking about it yeah so that there's no more speculation for this it's you know it's the fuck it it's a 9 -11 job thing it's just this permanent like who was db cooper was it this person it's like dude just can someone give us a definitive answer so that we can stop asking the question yeah like that's what we need to do like everybody like joe is exposed so much like amazing information about the world

that has completely like blown our minds about what reality really is and it would be awesome if each one of them went on the pod and just confirmed it all it's just like okay yeah we shot jfk this is what happened and then somebody from nasa goes no we really did go to the moon and we faked the video because it was hard to get the video for but we did really go and just imagine like imagine a series of like 20 rogan episodes where you get confirmation on all the alternative like uh history it's not conspiracy theories these are conspiracy facts yes yeah like how awesome would that be and they

they gotta go on joe though and it has to be the ones that he's you know brought to light oh my god would that not be amazing on alex cooper the real arbiter of truth in speaking of that did you see brian johnson on keeping up with the kardashians i saw a clip randomly you know we had him on the pod yeah yeah yeah yeah he's a sweetie Yeah, he is a sweetie.

He's got some dark shit.

I told him when we were there.

I think he's replaced being Mormon with living forever.

So maybe dark is the wrong way to put it, but it is a very radical.

How radical is Mormonism that you could do that?

well him and human had a big bust up on twitter oh what'd they say uh brian was flexing his leg press numbers and uh human replied and said friends don't let friends do half reps like kind of the range of motion being a thing and then that caused loads of blah blah but i've got to assume i didn't know andrew is friends with the kardashians the scene where brian's in there has got all of the kardashians but also got human in that but this must have been filmed months and months and months ago i have to assume and it's only just come out so i was watching that thinking this is like my zelensky trump

moment yeah that this is these two people that have had fucking massive beef online yeah finally coming together and i'm thinking i'm gonna get to what i'm they gonna they're gonna like fucking that wasn't a quarter rep that was actually me doing it's actually thousand pounds it's not nine hundred and fifty pounds like uh why do they beef what's the what's the issue andrew replied to brights like the most fucking middle school thing andrew applied to brian and criticized his range of motion on a wall but like they must have some other beef that that even happened right no that was just it was just

a passing comment and then brian took it really seriously oh man yeah and you know he has no excuse to do that because we know you have a perfect sleep score you can't even be like dude i was exhausted i had a hard day it's Like, no, you slept fucking 14 hours yesterday.

You stopped eating at 11 a .m.

so you could get good sleep.

Yeah. Yeah, I don't know.

I mean, the only thing that could have made that table better between all of the Kardashians, Brian Johnson and Andrew Huberman, would have been like coked up Conor McGregor.

Just the fucking wild card that gets thrown in there.

Who the fuck is this guy?

Yeah. I think that Conor McGregor's arc should be studied by, like, fucking anthropologists or something as just what happens when a guy who really wanted to be rich and famous...

Gets exactly what he wanted and turns out was completely unprepared to deal with it.

You want to know something interesting?

So he came to meet up with us one night in New York and he was, he was, he was fucked up.

Like he had some drinks, but he was the nicest, most humble guy.

He, when you, a lot of times when you meet famous people, like they're not really used to asking people their thoughts on things.

You know, they're just like in this - Me, me, me, me, me, me.

Yeah. And it's, I don't even, like I have empathy for it because people are just asking them questions because it's hard to like share your opinion on the world when you're with this incredibly successful person.

So they just get into this system where they basically go, oh, people want to know things about me so I will share.

I'll just cut to the chase and give them what they want.

Yeah, I'm going to give you a choice.

He was like curious.

like we were talking about fights he was like well yeah what'd you think about the fight like you're asking me what i thought about the fight like you're a professional fighter you're like probably the most prolific not probably you are the most prolific mma fighter in history like you're synonymous with fight sports like you're asking me my opinion on it like and we were having a conversation like a couple guys at a bar and as wild as i see him in all these things I'll never forget that moment where he was curious about what I thought and ever since then I look at these things as is he stirring

up moments is this like wrestling does he just really get into the vibe and the attention of it like I also understand like you reach a certain amount of success and you are clout I'm sure you've experienced this like you get over a certain amount of followers and now somebody making a video about you is currency they can pay their rent on it and whether what they say is true or not you exist as a form of payment right attention cash it in or dollars yeah and i have i have he must experience that a hundred a million fold for me or you i know it happens with me all the time too and it's like and and nobody

really understands where what that life is until you're in it and that is the cost of success i'm not complaining about this the cost of getting to live the lives that we live is that you're going to deal with scrutiny and you're going to deal with criticism that's really fine frustrating when people like make things up about yeah sure that's fucking annoying but i in a human to human moment he was curious and cared about what i had to say about his expertise.

And that's more than I can say about a lot of people.

What it makes me think, and that's a really beautiful story and very insightful.

What it makes me think is that there's an error somewhere because if that's who you truly are, why is that not being put out?

Why is that not a part of your personality?

Dude, you know what?

I've actually wanted to talk to you about this because you talk to so many people and you've cultivated like your universe, right?

So the people that know you and love you know the idiosyncrasies about you they actually like know your opinions about the world and then there are people that just consume you casually that just see you as whatever that version that exists in a clip online so it's like what i realized i thought that if i had a bunch of like diverse guests on my pod that people would it would not one i'm just curious about this like i like seeing diversity of thought i'm just really interested so the people who know me know that about me the people that don't know you only know the version of you that they want

to consume so if there's like a really awesome poignant piece that's like written about you they're like i don't want that guy to be poignant and awesome i want that guy to be this or me same thing right or vice versa exactly if they if they do you yeah but the people who love you know you already you don't need to convince them so what i realized is like doing this press run is that uh i gotta talk to way more people that you might think i disagree with because i have to go if i care about the perception of me which i can't say i don't i'm a comedian at the end of the day i can live with people

thinking different things about me that is fine i i can i can accept it that's really cool but i realized the way to to alter that perception is not bringing people on my podcast.

It's going to other people's podcasts, especially people that you might think that we disagree on.

And then we get into like a cool, nuanced conversation and you realize, and I see it happen in real time.

They're like, oh, wow, actually, yeah, that kind of does make sense.

And oh, wow, I didn't think that you would have that perspective.

It's like, yeah, of course you didn't.

The Venn diagram overlaps way more than we thought it would do.

And I don't, and I have empathy for it.

I get why you thought that.

Like, you just consume content about me in the same way that I consume content about Ben Shapiro.

Like, I'm sure Ben is way more nuanced than I just described to him earlier on the pod.

Like, I'm sure there's people who, like, really know him and understand his beliefs, and it's not, there isn't this, like, rigidity that he puts out online when he's, like, scolding a college kid.

You know, maybe there's moments where he's a lot more empathy for that college kid who's, you know, battling with his identity or battling with, you know, wanting to make the world a better place, and his opinion is a little different than Ben's.

But if I only get that version i only consume you know that's what i think and we have to kind of live with that because we are what we put out in the world and if what we put out in the world can get clipped up and put into these different things that is the cost of be ready be ready for that to happen yeah there's this idea called tilting at windmills an online stranger doesn't know you all they have are a few vague impressions of you too meager to form anything but a phantasm so when they attack you they're really just attacking their own imagination and there is no need to take it personally

yeah so that tilting at windmills things i wanted to ask you this actually the concern real quick is like you would hope that that doesn't become a trend well like i've seen that happen with me like people like start they like an idea like creates about me that's just like not true and then anybody that doesn't like me for whatever reason maybe you have good reason it's not like me it just becomes another justification for not like they hold on to the phantasm right and then that become but what did you say before that feelings don't care about the exactly it doesn't matter and unfortunately what did

we also say before optics really are sort of the most important thing and if you have a story that fits people's priors there is something that gets a particular cohort of people yeah they were all distinct and separate but they coalesce around their mutual distaste for a particular person and there is a very nice cohesive neat narrative that explains why they should not like this person yeah they go oh that's our new culture that's our new thing so um I wanted to ask you know not everybody deals with the same level of scrutiny or criticism that you do sure but what have you learned about how

to care less about the opinions of other people how to sort of take criticism well I think that like again I think that the care is more about like you're like okay I hope this doesn't like shift perspective and like negatively impact my ability to like provide for my family that's really where they care i'm fine with people thinking that i'm a certain way and like this thing like you know the kendrick thing comes out like this they turn it into like fucking racism within it like i'm like what the fuck you know it's how what you know like it was whatever doesn't matter and then um and and i'm

like okay i'm fine like the internet just moves on eventually you just let that kind of so you just hope that Like, it doesn't lock in and then affect your bottom line.

But the thing that makes me okay with accepting criticism is that all the people I admire are the most criticized people.

So, like, everybody I look up to and I aspire to have, you know, the level of success that they have are the most criticized.

Like, I mean, fucking Taylor Swift is like, there's no more criticized.

Like, she's getting booed at the Super Bowl, yet it takes 120 dudes to sell out that Super Bowl she could do it by herself four nights in a row you know what I mean so she's sitting there getting booed but she's also like this is cute I remember doing this I remember doing this little stadium you know what I mean like so there is this version where I'm okay with the criticism I'm fine with it my concern is more like the the false narratives catching heat because there is like an attention or currency that you could build around it and i have i don't really know how to like thwart that i wish i

had like some people like really good at like addressing narratives strategy like dave portnoy maybe portnoy is just like he's portnoy 50 cent is amazing like anything pops about swinging he's on that ass and um i'm probably a little more passive because i'm i'm like i'm just gonna put out the art you know i'm gonna put out my special and you'll get a sense of who i am or i'll talk to people on the pod and i'll do these things and and uh also you can't respond to people who don't really have a face you can't respond to ideas like i can respond to kendrick because kendrick is the biggest rapper

in the world can't respond to like some youtube video you know it's just in my mind i'm like okay now i'm just blowing that thing up i'm just adding gas to it you know yeah the kendrick thing was interesting you know i was a wild does that even hit your radar like i'm i'm so confused about who knows about these i didn't see this happen oh wow i didn't see i i did when i started doing a little of prep for today yeah and uh i was like oh schultz got in some super bowl beef yeah it's just so this is so so funny too is like whenever you go through something you think it's the biggest thing that's

the other thing i learned it's like no one really cares like it doesn't really matter like you think it's big but like the reality most people don't and we exist in these little bubbles so like a bubble cares about it for a second but when i go out to dinner nobody cares if we can forget about october 7th because zelinski sat down with trump yeah and forget about the superbowl that's a great way that's right so i need another tragedy yeah just sow the seeds of another fucking international incident that's what they say you kill a story with a story i remember this is uh as level sociology or as level

media studies before i went to university and uh so in the uk 16 17 18 you go to what we call college which is before university got it and you do as level and then you do a level AS is first year, A level is the second year.

And that's what gets you your grades for uni.

And I was told this story about the day after.

So September 12th, the media manager for a PR company who ended up losing a job because of this quote was caught saying the words publicly, it's a good day for bad news.

And if you go and you look at the newspapers, September 12th, September 13th, September 14th, page 64, page 74, toxic spill, uh, accounting error, uh, fucking recall for dangerous product.

All building seven.

Uh, the people just dumping this, this stuff out there.

But yeah, I think, uh, uh, I heard this really interesting sentence the other day.

I just don't care about people misjudging me anymore.

and i really love that sentence so i don't care about people misjudging me and i think a lot of the time when it comes to criticism what we're worried about is this person has an incorrect uh perspective perception of me i don't like that let me go and fix because i know i'm not that so let me go and manage their perception of me i'm gonna step in i'm gonna fix this thing you go I don't think you can dude and if you if you try and play that game if you want to try and fix everybody's erroneous expectation of you or interpretation of you and the other side is as well it's often people that don't

like you don't understand what you're doing don't have your best interests at heart they don't like you and they're not nice people yeah and you're saying that person that particular individual or group of individuals misjudged me yeah and I feel bad it's like yeah have to deal with it yeah yeah it's it like you ever you ever get an argument with your girl and then um not even an argument like you'll do something and your intention was not for that to hurt her like you seem like a good guy I don't see why you would like want to hurt someone you care about but it did hurt her and what I used to

do is I would try to explain her out of her hurt right I would try to explain to my wife why she shouldn't be hurt right because I want to be a good guy.

And I can't tell you why you're wrong.

Yeah. Yeah. Let me tell you why your feelings are wrong.

And it's just like, oh no, what I meant by it is this.

Right. And like, and why we're doing that is because we don't want them to think we are the type of person that would try to do something to hurt them.

I'm actually feeling insecure that you might feel differently towards me.

If I'm the type of man that would do that to make you feel that way.

They don't want that.

What they want is their feelings to be acknowledged and just going, I'm sorry that, that, uh, what I did made you feel that way.

I'm really sorry. And then if they, if they go, why did you do it?

And go, well, actually this was my thinking, then they're, they're asking for the why.

And the same thing, I think the exact same thing applies to what you're saying.

It's like, these people feel a certain way.

I'm sorry that that made you feel that way.

You know, I am sorry that, but in terms of like caring about the perception, anybody who's ever like felt a certain way about me that I've had a conversation with, I feel like has left not feeling that way.

And so I'm not really concerned about like the misjudgment.

The concern is only like, how could it negatively impact opportunities to achieve my dreams?

And that's the beauty of like financial success is that you get to really not care.

Like if you're at a number, right?

Like if you hit the number where you like, I could stop doing all this and I'm good and my daughter can eat and my wife is safe and you don't even have to address any of it.

you know what i mean like if you get to a certain number where you're just like i'm just creating the shit that i want to create i don't even care if it makes money i just love creating things who gives a fuck isn't it interesting how most people's projects have this like odd uh paulo cuelos the alchemist like you leave the place to come back to where you started so what is that explain that to me you read read the alchemist i've heard of the alchemist i haven't read it it's a really beautiful book and it's a it's a fiction book it's super easy to read it's not a flex to say that you've read it,

but it's kind of a bit trippy to read.

It's this beautiful story about Santiago, this Spanish boy who goes on a journey and he comes back.

And spoiler alert, if you haven't listened to it yet, skip ahead 30 seconds.

The treasure that he's looking for is in the backyard of the place that he started.

And the story's takeaway is going on a journey to end up back where you began is not the same as having never left.

And my point being with something like stand up or podcasting or writing or whatever it is that you're into you start off doing the thing the way you want to because you love it and you've got this passion and yeah you're you start modeling from other people because you want to learn from those that have gone ahead of you and then after a while different incentives come in and maybe you've got staff or you've got obligations or you've got competition or you've got momentum and you start to sort of get skewed away from this a little bit and then over time maybe you begin to get uh expectations

from people and you've kind of got to you're playing up to your own enigma your own persona and you're like you've got to go i'm gonna go from infamous to doing life and it's like a real change and scary to the fucking difficult second album right do i just repeat what i did last time or do i try and pivot and then after a while you know hopefully you're still stripping this you're still trying to be true to yourself but i think a lot of the time people end up in that post money world or you know post fame world whatever it is you end up back at this place where you're like i can just say fuck

you yeah i'm gonna do it the way that i want i had this idea i wanted to teach you about um so you've heard of fuck you money right yeah yeah um so i realized that i think there's three levels to saying fuck you so the first one is fuck you money which is you're not really that beholden to an employer you maybe kind of can own things in a way that makes you not have to adhere to laws in the same sort of a way there's fucky freedom which is actually more accessible than fuck you money because you can just like if you've got enough you can live off grid maybe you don't even need to be reliant on supermarkets

you don't need to really like listen to laws if you've got a little bit of land or whatever um but then the third level is fuck you family and i think a lot of the time people are playing these games they want to be requited and validated external success and all the rest of it but i get the sense and i see this with you and a lot of my friends that become young dads that they kind of look back on a lot of the ways that they got validation and and self -esteem is like real juvenile very immature like look at all of these people who i don't know who i don't give a fuck about and i cared about their

opinions about me yeah and really the only people whose opinions i care about are the ones that are inside of this household yeah and that fucking family thing is the most accessible to everybody yeah and um yeah it's a transition that you know if you're a high -powered person like man or woman and then you pivot into family life i wonder how many have like a retrospective existential crisis about like what the fuck was i doing yeah who was i yeah i did all of that and okay yeah cool like i just didn't know but holy shit like that my eyes have been opened and i see what the actual game that i was playing

bro it is so cliche so much about having children is cliche, but like the hardest day, the most stressful day, the most difficult day when I open the door and I get back at six o 'clock every day, my daughter is in the playpen usually with my wife and she hears the door open and like she slowly turns around.

And then I watch her face crease into this beautiful like six tooth smile and everything nothing matters at all it's so cliche it's it's actually difficult as a comedian who like tries to have like unique takes on things how normal my reactions to having a child is right like but it is just nothing really matters in that moment and then for the next we're getting after it for the next hour we're just we're just getting nothing matters and you're 100 right that is like fuck you family now you need things to get there because you feel obviously like a responsibility to make sure she's safe and she

can go to the school she wants and we could live in a nice place and experience these cool things but yeah i love that i love that i saw this i saw this quote earlier on today that said it's not okay to work your life away but it is okay to work your 20s away and yo i like this keep going on this because time is something that we should discuss yeah i think you know again i said for me and i really i just want to like re -highlight the fact that i think the new special from you is probably the most culturally penetrative uh explanation of male fertility issues that i've seen i you know you said

before we always assumed that the problem is the woman.

And we have big, we have lots of stories about that.

We have archetypes, right?

The struggling woman, whether it's struggling to find a partner and the biological clock is ticking, trying to get pregnant, going through the IVF and the pain of the process and then the pain of it not taking and all of the stuff that you can learn about if you spend a bit of time on this.

And we don't have a cultural story about what it's like to be a man who is really desperate to be a dad but can't find a partner or has a partner and is trying to be a dad and has fertility issues.

And that doesn't exist.

And time for both men and women, even more than that, I think about this now, so I'm 37, right?

Let's say that I managed to make the family in three years.

Let's say I have my first kid when I'm 40.

I'll be 65 when my first kid's 25 kids weren't on my brain at 25 okay so i'm 75 when my kids are 35 so i'm gonna be like 77 when my kids are my age yeah i'm like chop chop i want to be a granddad yeah like well you didn't fucking give your parents that same like where was the chop chop when you were doing this thing so i didn't meet any of my grandparents i met like when i was like one or something like that one of them i think but yeah that happens and that is the cost time the first thought i had when i saw my daughter is that uh i wish i did it sooner so i would have more time with her and that's

the first thought i saw when i saw her like i was like what did i do now i'm not regretful of my life i love how it turned out and i met the woman that i want to create a family and have a life with but yeah you think about it constantly time i i always heard people talk about it and you see i mean it is it's cliche but time like how do we get time every i don't buy expensive shit really like i think when i first got money i got some like watches whatever i think it was this like form of validating myself i think it was this like outside and it was like yeah i've achieved some excess let me get

a fucking watch and like i retrofitted this justification i was like oh the gears are so nice it's not about that but like time everything i'll spend my it's like a trip but the trip is soaking up this undivided time with family and friends everything is how can i spend time with my family i'm lucky i work with all my friends my guy who does all my partnerships i've known since i was 13 years old my first friend in high school my manager who's just my partner is my first friend from college everybody is family in the group so i'm very lucky in that regard but how do we spend time what what do

we what do we do and like even i'm going to do press for this and i'm like okay you got it you got to go and you've got to get the word out.

Okay. That's going to be probably a month of going to get the word out, you know?

Okay. That's time away.

How can I get that back?

Okay. Can I take a month off in summer and just lock in?

How do I spend everything I've ever heard from parents is it goes fast.

Old people talk about time in the way that young people talk about success and money.

Old people don't really talk about success.

And when they do, it's like, it's kind of weird.

Like they're not like, Oh, I killed it in the market today or something like that.

You're just It's like, oh, is that what you're excited about?

And video went up like, who gives a fuck?

Like, oh, I'm taking a trip with your mom and we're going to her favorite place, you know, and like everything is this reminder of time.

You know, my my wife's mom has a disease.

This is slowly killing her.

It's this reminder of time.

My dad has dementia, this reminder of time and it's fleeting.

And like the memories that I'll have of my dad exist forever, but we'll never make new memories together.

you know? And it's like, this is like, how much time do I have with him?

How many actual days do I have with him?

And, uh, yeah, I haven't fully processed like this, the importance of that, but yeah, it's just this, this, this, this is amazing.

Yeah. As I reflect back, like, I think I have lived a life where I like, I was able to soak up things with my friends, but like, I, I worked, i don't think i've ever not worked seven days but like my 20s i didn't celebrate a birthday like i was just doing comedy on the road for no money like anybody would let me go on stage so i get better at the craft like i i still had fun i went i had a good time with my friend but i wasn't like partying partying like some of my friends were like i would say when i was like on tv i was like my friends have way better sex lives these guys are on fucking tinder

doing like you know having fivesomes and shit and i'm just like trying to write jokes and it was that that decade was sacrifice you know i didn't drink for like 10 years i was like i need to lock in i gotta fucking gotta get good at this shit but yeah how can i i'm fortunate enough to like get a couple bucks and like have a family at 41 years old all right maybe we want to have another kid how can i organize the rest of my life so that i can just spend time so i can go out to have a dinner with my wife and we're just fucking joking around and like looking at silly pictures of our daughter and busting

balls. Just how do we have as many of those moments as I possibly can for the rest of my life?

How many times can I peak die laughing with my friends?

Every once in a while, you hit that moment where something stupid happens and we are just on the floor laughing.

Can I have a hundred more of those?

Can I have a thousand more of those?

How can I organize my life so I can have as many of those as I possibly can?

And how can I not waste time with people I don't really care about?

I think it goes back to what you're saying.

it's like am I gonna waste time on trying to deal with like what this person on the internet is saying or should I you know just read the same book to my daughter 20 times in a row and like I should do that you know yeah time every everything that you say yes to is saying no to everything else yeah so by committing to the argument on twitter that's a yes yeah and you have said no to every other experience that could be possible yeah at that moment and you're ignoring all the people that are supporting you you're knowing all the people that are writing for you you're knowing all the people like

to focus on the people that hate you i could message back like the amount of people that send me like dms about coming to the show having no clue that it was about the ivf journey and they're like struggling to get pregnant and then they'll message me a year later and be like hey we just had our first kid and like it was really cool to see that and it made it a little more normal for us so the people who went through and felt stigmatized and then they they realized it was it's like actually something you can kind of laugh at I should be and I try to respond to every one of those before I respond

to a single person reacting to some fake shit about me on the internet they should be the bottom of the barrel they are so I've been again as somebody who as of yet hasn't reached the finish line with family but is still in the race you'll get there and then everything you know will go out the window I just want to let you know because you've got the whole world worked out I know you've done a lot of work on figuring it out and the second that baby comes it's done none of it makes sense I am ready for the eggs I can't wait to that pod.

Once you have the baby, we got to have another attack.

But I've been thinking about this, that how does somebody like you, or maybe even more somebody like me who hasn't got to that finish line yet, how do you make sense of what you did to yourself for a couple of decades?

Because I did something not too dissimilar with my work rate and it's still going and the grind and the drive and all the rest of the stuff.

And I do get the sense that even if you retrospectively think, God, if I'd know what I know now about what's most important, I could have done that, would I, should I, could have done that earlier.

But then there's another bit of you that goes, how much did I develop into the person that can be the sort of parent I want to be financially, emotionally, in terms of closing all of the loops of life and saying, I did the things.

I did the things. I fucking toured hundreds of dates for this thing about you about you yeah yeah and i got to not only create this beautiful tribute to you on stage i also got to like fucking work it out of my system a little bit yeah no i i don't think you should regret a single thing in your life if it well the only thing i would say is like if you had a relationship that you thought had like a lot of promise and you're like hey i need to focus on work and you let it go that i would go that's potentially a regret um i didn't have any of those until i met my wife and i was like okay this is it

we're gonna do this a hundred percent and so if if you're not there are some people that do that though they meet the person that might be like the one for them i don't know if there's like a one but they're there's something that they really connected it was beautiful and it would have worked i always tell people that they're like, I don't know if I'm ready to have a kid yet.

I'm like, that's fine.

That's fine. But if you do, it will work out.

Like you will manage it and it will make everything in your life that much better.

I cannot impress that upon people more.

Like, so if you are, and I get the feeling of, let me just make myself safe and protected, but you will do that naturally.

There's an instinct, like where they say every baby comes with a basket of bread.

Is that the saying like i mean yeah i think it's a biblical saying but it's like like you have a baby and all of a sudden like you start to make way more money than you used to abundance comes it doesn't restrict your ability to do stuff it actually enables it yeah so interesting but yeah like it seems to me that from our conversation that like you haven't had that relationship in the past that you've shunned so i wouldn't regret a single thing matter of fact like when that relationship does present itself hopefully it's the one you're in now who knows how that you know flourishes or blossoms

into something but like if it is the thing go go and go and fucking send it and then have kids and just they're awesome and uh i would love that to be part of like the masculinity conversation i feel like me too i think i'm i saw you writing some stuff maybe it was right maybe i was watching you something but it was something about like um there's a lot of talk about masculinity and like what we need to do and how we need to better ourselves and oftentimes kids aren't put into that equation did you was that you posting about this and i think that's a great take like i would love fatherhood and like

what it means to be like a good active father to be part of this uh idea of like the modern male and um because i know the the fathers i see out there that are really invested uh i feel like they would really love to see that represented that it's not just about like fucking you know how your squats are a quarter or whatever you know what i mean like who gives a fuck how much you can squat you know like the bank account or the follower number yeah it's like yeah none of that shit matters like when you see a dad that sucks with their kid you know you're not envious that they have a boat you're

just like you're a fucking loser and then when you see those kids that hate their parents you know i mean you're not envious of those parents at all regardless of what they've got no but when you see like the dad walk home and these videos of like the three kids run to the door it's like impossible to not want a million kids did you see i did this video fucking made me tear up the other day uh it's a ring doorbell or maybe like the inside of a house thing and uh this little daughter must be three or something yeah and she says daddy are you going to the gym and he says yeah daddy's going to the gym

and she like turns away from him she goes wow i'm so proud of you and the dad just freezes yeah yeah and he like picks her up and yeah i'm just like holy fuck yeah what are we doing what are we doing isn't just fucking yo this is the most pro -natalist yeah podcast we need that i think we need a lot i mean you know elon's got his version of saying yeah and he's like very brutalist about he's like oh the population numbers or whatever that's not what yeah that's what people react to like a video on the internet i don't know if you saw the one where like the guy opens the door and he knows there's

all these cups that were placed in front of the door by his kids but he doesn't walk into them because he sees the cups and then he realizes that that was the prank so then he like makes some noise or knocks on the door so the kids are ready and then close then he closes the door then like kind of like knocks on or something like that and then opens and they see him like fall into the cups and the kids are going fucking crazy and you're like that's yeah if there's one thing that i would love to love to promote it is uh it is is that well you've you've done it man i i really really am so proud

of what you did with with this new special it's it's really really fucking i'm proud of you man it's awesome to see what you built and i was really stoked to to have this conversation with you so thank you so much for taking the time brother me too life stream on netflix right now yeah appreciate you

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