What is going on with the health and fitness stuff?
It seems like I looked at some photos of you from 10 years ago, and you're like, half the size.
Yeah. I don't know.
I just, you know, you just get tired of everything.
So you go, I'm just gonna, I'd like to be around and feel better.
So you just, you know, it's like, it's an always happening thing.
I don't feel like it's a thing that you just address once and you're done with it.
It's something that you are just thinking about, I think, all the time.
Is this sort of gone are the days where you can fully live out the degenerate smoking, create a lifestyle?
I did that. I already did it.
Yeah. I mean, it's, you know, when you're really in it, there's a kind of a freedom to being like, I'm a fucking gross sack of shit.
And you just don't care.
And you just eat in bed and smoke.
And I mean, my, I used to go to bed every, like at three in the morning, almost every day.
And I would sleep until, I don't know, noon, but that was normal.
I did that for years.
And there's like a freedom in being like, yeah, I don't care.
I don't give a shit, but I do think it has, well, it literally does have an expiration date.
I don't think it does.
Like you will die quicker if you do it that way.
so i think you kind of just go like i actually don't feel physically feel so great after a while i think in your head too like you psychologically are just kind of like uh there's there's another way of doing this um that because part of you kind of i was want somebody who like i would admire those comedians that were kind of a mess so you you know i mean like you go like i need to be like this it doesn't feel so contrived right oh this is is their purest artistic expression look they're on stage being themselves they're a sack of shit being themselves yeah and and i thought that was like that's
kind of like the way that's when i started i was like i leaned into it more i remember like one of my friends came to one of my early shows once and he was like hey man that that t -shirt has a hole in it and i was like i know and he was like you want to wear that on stage like people are watching you don't you think they want to see like somebody that's presentable and i was like no no like this is But this is the presentation.
It's like that you have holes in your shirt.
And I kind of was like, I was sure of it.
I was like, yeah, I mean, that's the whole thing.
I didn't feel like I was pulling on an act.
I was like, yeah, this is what I would wear around the house.
In a way, making effort is sort of detracting from you being you.
Yeah. Yeah. But I do think that it's, look, it's all part of, like, Like, this is why I hate telling young comedians, like, how to do it.
Like, you know, when they go, give them advice.
I'm like, I really don't like giving advice to young comedians, other than do it a lot.
Like, that's the advice.
But as far as, like, don't do this, I go, that's not how to do it.
Like, the way to do it is to do things you think you're supposed to do.
And then you figure out how to actually do it.
Whether or not you're supposed to do them.
Yeah. If I tell you don't do it, make sure you don't do this.
That might keep you from encountering something that actually really sparks something in you.
Well, there's a difference between 2D lessons that you learn from someone telling you what you're reading in a book and 3D lessons that you learn from experiencing it firsthand.
hand a thousand percent yeah yeah there's a a guy called bill perkins who lives here in austin he came on the show he wrote this book called die with zero which is about how to sort of make the most of your wealth and and it's written for people who struggle to spend money even though they might earn a little bit more than they need to and they're you know sort of skin thrift and they don't spend the money so much i'm aware that you have no idea what i'm talking about and i'd read the book and then immediately after that from the podcast he said oh what do you what why don't you come and wake surf
with me? And I got to learn the lesson, both from the book and then from the podcast. And then I got to experience it with him firsthand.
And there's a driver outside and there's a boat and there's a blah, blah.
And it's like, huh, now I know what he's talking about.
And it's the same with this.
You can tell someone, hey, you maybe consider yourself a professional, be presentable, consider your health, go to bed on time, et cetera.
But if you arrive at that realization yourself, it's way deeper.
It's opposed to being like, yeah, I mean, Tom said that, but maybe he's full of shit, I don't know.
Yeah, and honestly also to make it like, Like, on the money thing, like, one thing that nobody ever wants to hear is, like, money won't make you feel fulfilled.
Like, no one wants to hear that shit.
And then when you actually earn it, and then you go like, oh, yeah, this is what people were talking about.
Like, the lesson is not gonna, someone's saying it's not gonna affect you the way that actually experiencing it will.
There's a category, a very unique category of lessons.
I call them unteachable lessons.
Yeah. And that's one of them.
Oh, for sure. Another one is you're not in love with that girl.
She's just pretty and difficult to get.
And it's how many times do you need to learn that over and over again?
Yes. People never learn it.
Yeah. And just continue to chase the slightly unavailable, pretty hot girl.
Yeah. And you go, dude, it's, it's, you're doing it again.
And then when you get there, you're going to be like, this is different this time.
And then you're like, oh yeah, this is not.
No, it's not. And money won't make you happy is another one of those.
It's just, it's just, I know it's to, and I understand it too, because so many people hear that and they go, yeah, give me that problem.
Uh, give me that problem.
And because you're thinking of like your current money problems and what happens is yes, that money will solve those problems, but it's not going to solve all of you.
It's not going to make a problem, which is inside of you.
Exactly. You're, you're not going to be like, now everything is satisfied.
You're just not going to have those bills.
It's a difficult one with this, right?
Because what you want to do, especially if you've hard won a lesson, you want to try and help other people.
Do you know how much I went through to get to this place of fame or status or fucking the hot chick or whatever, realize the blood and the sweat and the tears and the sleepless nights and all of that stuff.
Please, please let me save you from the same sort of misguided assumption about life.
And yet it's received not even mutually.
It's like negatively received.
Oh, with tons of resistance.
But I think that that's, it just goes to show you that is part of the human experience.
Like, you can't teach some of these lessons.
It's also why these cliche expressions exist. And you're like, that sounds like the reason that thing is said that way is because it's true.
And because millions of people have already experienced it.
That's why we're saying that thing.
But again, no one wants to hear it.
And I actually don't, I, the, the older you get, the more you realize that it makes sense that you need to experience it in order to actually, you know what I mean?
Like in order to act and to, to have it resonate with you.
Well, the total addressable market for people who want more fame or more hot chicks or more money is basically everybody.
Yeah. And the total addressable market for people who have got some amount of fame or money or hot chicks is basically zero.
So you end up with this sort of weird privileged position.
It's like, no, no, no, no. if i had that it would be different yeah my i can this watch me dance through this minefield i know that you kicked a couple of tripwires but like you're retarded so like watch me watch me do the pirouette through here like and it'll my internal voids will be fixed because i'm unique yeah and then you the other thing you just realize also as you get older is that like you're so not unique you really aren't like all the shit that you all your insecurities all the problems you encounter all the things that you think about that you think only you're thinking about man that's
everybody like it's you really are in this thing with eight billion other people and all the things that you think are unique to you they're really not yeah the veils fall from your eyes uh on the weight loss thing i saw a study that said 37 of gen z plan on skipping the gym and just using a zempik instead so 30 of gen z women are intending to use glp1 drugs to reach their weight loss goals compared to 20 of men and on average women are setting more ambitious weight loss targets aiming to shed 23 pounds in 2025 and men are looking to lose 19.
Huh? Well, I mean, part of that is probably that those women have like, uh, a tougher time in like society with what they think they need to look like.
I mean, you know, even though it affects both genders but yeah i i think that's a temporary solution to this i mean they're and they're going to end up the the real problem if you read some studies about those glp -1s is that people lose muscle mass and they're losing at a much higher rate than they think they are sometimes they're losing 66 in a 10 pound loss they're losing 66 of that is lean mass which is not what you want The one thing you want for health and longevity and strength and all that is to retain lean mass.
So doing it the slower way with good nutrition and good workout plan is what you want.
I mean, but also, are you surprised?
Like we're, everybody wants a quicker solution to something.
So, yeah, I think we're going to have a bunch of people with gaunt faces and lacking muscle over the next decade is going to be a new issue.
Tell you what's been interesting.
So I've trained on it maybe once a week, something like that.
And for the last three months, four months, Tuesday morning, I've seen Alex Jones in there doing bear crawls.
He's running around outside.
he's flipping ties over he's doing this stuff alex jones yeah and then i saw the i hadn't i don't know whether i hadn't seen him up close or something and then i saw this famous like ozempic jones before and after thing and he's lost a ton of weight yeah and there's a bit of me like a lot of people on the internet like ozempic's a hell of a drug i go i get that but i've seen him working really really hard in a gym and uh there's kind of now if you lose weight through hard work people are just going to say dude ozempic's a hell of a drug i know yeah i might as well use ozempic like some weird russian roulette
undeniable situation the same reason i think why there's all these guys especially uh stars who though the one thing they won't talk about is that they're all juicing you know it's like this universal thing in hollywood and everyone sees their if you see a photo or a video everyone that the comments are all like yeah it must be nice with this needle it's like yeah dude if you just injected that you're not going to look like him like that guy still busts his ass training to be just beyond jacked right like so but it's like Like, in other words, people don't want to, they think that these things
are just a quick solution.
You still have to work at it.
Whether you're going for the juice head that wants to be like super jacked or the person who's just trying to lose weight.
If you're just going to do the injection, nothing else, you're going to have less than him.
Appropriately. Yeah, exactly.
Your results are not going to be impressive, but I mean, that's great that he's.
Dude, he looks great.
I mean, you're right on the 66 % thing.
I think almost all of that can be mitigated if you just do resistance training if you lose the weight and you train but the problem is that people who don't have a health and fitness routine yeah are taking an injection and suppressing their appetite and then losing weight and still not having a health and fitness routine I mean the thing that I learned was that I when I saw a nutritionist can really really change the way you view a lot of things when it comes to weight loss And so my, my journey, I would say is like, it's, it's always ongoing.
It's up and down, right?
Even like in the last couple of years, like it's, it's not steady state.
And like, uh, midsummer, I knew I had this series coming up, um, to shoot.
And I was like, okay, I go, um, at the time I was about a hundred days out.
and i was like you know i can just show up as i am and and it's it's fine it's going to be fine no one's like you know tom needs to be a model for this thing but i was like i'm going to hate myself for not at least putting in an effort and so i had considered like just uh doing glp -1s have you ever tried them uh i did try it once yes how do you feel i just didn't eat anything And then I got off of it.
I didn't like that.
Um, so I considered it for this, just for the shoot though.
And I met a nutritionist and he, I told him what I was doing at that moment, which is in the midsummer and I go, um, so I'm thinking about, you know, maybe just doing, he's like, what are you, what are you doing right now?
And I told him what I was eating and how I was training.
He's like, you're not eating enough.
so if you get on GLP -1s you're definitely not going to eat enough so the thing that I ended up doing was eating way more but of the right foods and I dialed up the training and I lost you know in this period going from the from the 100 days out through the shoot like around 20 pounds but looked way better probably a little bit of lean mass as well And, and it was, but it, and also the, the thing that was like surprising was that it was, it was more, like I was eating so much more.
I mean, every day I would have, you know, I would start the day with like four eggs, some fruit, um, a little while later, I usually train in that period.
And then, uh, like a 50 gram protein shake lunch was 10 to 12 ounces of lean meat with greens.
greens, um, another, uh, snack in between.
And then my dinners were, uh, 16 ounces of lean protein with greens.
Right. So it was like, I was like, I wasn't eating like this two months ago.
I was having like, you know, a chicken sandwich and be like, that was good protein.
You know, it's like, it's so much like my protein intake must've been like, I don't know.
I was probably having, like, 40 grams a day, not even thinking about it, versus every day then trying to get in 250 plus.
Exactly. But nobody sleepwalks into 200 grams of protein.
Nobody does it. It's impossible.
It's deliberate. The only way that you get there is by accident is if you've gone to some buffet and you've just decided to, like, cave on the Brazilian fucking whatever it's called, foie de chow.
But it does work. My point for, like, people who are, like, they're like, I need to eat, I'm hungry.
It's like, dude, eat this.
And tell me that you're like starving.
Yeah. It's just not the case.
On the Ozempic point, I think, was it the Golden Globes that happened recently?
What was the award show that happened recently?
Such an awesome take from someone that writes for the Free Press.
And they said, Ozempic and the body condition of most of the people at the Golden Globes shows that the fat acceptance movement was all a scam.
I fucking... So fucking true.
True. I hate the fat acceptance.
The moment that you had an easy route out of being overweight, body positivity went out of the window.
That's so true because they're such hypocrites, they're such pieces of shit.
And this whole thing has always enraged me more than anything, I think.
I think because of the fact that I've struggled with it and I had to deal with the fact that I hated the way I felt or looked or, you know, you hate that your genetics are the way way they are, whatever it is.
But I also, I also think part of it's just being a guy and that like guys talk to each other differently.
Like, you know, I played sports and you just get used to someone being like, okay, fat ass.
And you're just like, fuck you.
You know, that's just like the way dudes talk to each other.
And this whole idea that like one of my friends is going to be like, I actually think you look really good at any weight.
It's like, fuck off.
Like that's not true.
And that's what people started to do.
I remember this one post where it was like Adele and they showed her like at her heaviest and then she'd lost a bunch of weight.
I don't know how she lost weight, but she lost a bunch of weight.
I think she looked pretty ozempic.
I think it was too.
And she looked great.
And it was just filled.
Everything was just filled with, I think she looks great in both.
And it's like, no, don't, why are you saying that?
That's not true. Like she looks great now.
She put in the work and she obviously ate a certain way and trained.
and she looked and now she looks great like you can say that like yeah yeah she wasn't ugly before but no both look both are wonderful it's like this is beauty at any size this is just nonsense it's weird with what people are doing especially with the fat acceptance body positivity thing like you don't want to fucking lambast or castigate or be mean to people that are overweight and that are trying no but also removing any sort of judgment on what is better or worse for you just that's bad for them but yeah there's there's this idea from isaiah belin called the inner citadel and it's basically
if you can't get what you want you have to teach yourself to want what you can get so you sort of retreat into this so um i struggle to make monogamous relationships work therefore monogamy is a flawed system and everyone should be polyamorous right uh i struggle to lose weight naturally therefore weight has no bearing on health and the entire world needs to accept me at any size and i need to be beautiful no matter what i struggle to hold down a job job therefore i'm turning to a life of crime and actually this is like just as acceptable as a normal yeah it's it's it's all it's it's completely
disingenuous and it's all about a lack of accountability and i think that's the thing about like when you talk about body positivity it's like yeah you don't need to rip people apart who are not um you know that are overweight or whatever it's like i don't know i don't think that's very productive for them it's just gonna very few people are passive -aggressed are patronized into behavior.
Yeah, for sure. But to say like, this is great.
And, you know, and then now people are also doing the same mental gymnastics with the term healthy.
Like, well, what is healthy?
It's like, you know what the fuck healthy means, stupid.
Like, it's not, I'm not making up this word. And they're like, well, who is to say what is healthy?
Well, we actually have a pretty good idea of what is healthy.
So if your cholesterol is fucking 600.
You're not healthy.
Like why are we pretending?
And, but people want you to go, yeah, but like, I can't believe a doctor is going to tell me if I'm healthy.
You're like, that's the job, stupid.
Like that's what he's supposed to do.
They're telling you that this is not good.
And we all know that if you're carrying that much weight and talking about like three 50, 400, and then the idea that like, that's okay.
Well, you know, it's not.
Before we continue, Tom just confirmed what we all knew.
Steroids in Hollywood are everywhere.
But the reality is there aren't any cheat codes for losing weight and keeping muscle unless you want to end up on some Olympic doping list. However, there are science backed supplements like Tonkat Ali to support testosterone, strength and recovery.
And that is why I partnered with Momentous because they make the only NSF certified Tonkat Ali on the planet.
that means it's so rigorously tested that even Olympic athletes can use it.
And that is why I'm such a huge fan because they make the most carefully tested, highest quality supplements on earth.
This is a huge part of my brain, body and sleep stack, which makes a huge difference to my cognition, my strength and my recovery.
The evidence behind this is really impressive.
It is completely natural, but has a profound impact on your testosterone, as I learned from Dr. Andrew Huberman.
And if you're still unsure, Momentus offers a 30 day money back guarantee, So you can buy it and try it for 29 days.
And if you don't love it, they'll give you money back.
And they ship internationally.
Right now, you can get 20 % off everything plus that 30 -day money -back guarantee by going to the link in the description below or heading to livemomentus .com slash modernwisdom using the code modernwisdom at checkout.
That's L -I -V -E -M -O -M -E -N -T -O -U -S dot com slash modernwisdom and modernwisdom at checkout.
Did you see that rapper who was disallowed from getting into a Lyft car and she's now suing Lyft?
Yeah. Also, this rapper is like, let's just, I know that she claims to be, let's not give her too much credit.
I don't, I don't think she's signed to a label, but yeah, I did.
A person who raps. I identify as a person who raps.
A person who raps who was, I believe the thing said she was 392, which is like not a lot of scales giving you that.
I don't know if they went over to the truck stop and figured it out, but she is enormous.
And a driver was like, yeah, don't get in here.
I think he was worried about his tires.
Yeah, he's probably thinking about suspension, rear axle and was like, no. No. And now they're like, oh, she's just suing for discrimination.
It's like, well, maybe the guy has a point that he has a older car.
Could you imagine, I don't know whether this is right, but imagine that she'd got in the car and there'd been some sort of an accident due to that.
I don't know. I mean, it's 400 pounds.
Like surely you could have like two or three other people in the car.
That seems, unless it's because it's all in one space.
I don't know. Anyway, I think it's a, it's an interesting one.
on but also i guess on the flip side of that this i realized a while ago that people who were fat had a problem with ozempic because it was sort of denying their right to exist and it was this yeah but then there was a bunch of people that were in shape that had a problem with it too because it gave people who didn't need to use as much hard work and willpower an easier route to being in shape i'm aware that losing fat isn't being in shape because there's muscle tone and all the rest of the stuff.
But still, you would look at somebody that is half the size, that's 150 as opposed to 300, and you go, yeah, they're more in shape, at least with clothes on.
And yeah, everybody is threatened in one form or another by shortcuts.
Everybody is. Because the reason that you look at someone who's in shape and you go, wow, that's good.
I feel some sort of sense of warmth and trustworthiness.
It's because it's a reliable signal of what they've done to have to get that.
Whereas now you just think, hey, are you hardworking and consistent?
Or have you got a prescription for ozempic yeah exactly yeah that is what that is a thing that people do and it's like especially you see um somebody who has never done anything before and then they drop weight and then they go yeah you do that you do you you kind of look at them like oh you did the cheat code and then you you kind of dismiss them as a person you just go like oh you're a you're a shortcut person which i understand i mean that's yeah and now it's an unfalsifiable undefiable and it's losing weight either naturally or with assistance is the getting jacked naturally or with assistance
for dudes like it's just an totally like unprovable hypothesis the crazy thing about this getting jacked thing though is like people don't know how even the people that are in hollywood that they go well that person's not on it they're on it too i've I know so many people who are geared out of their minds and even ones who you go, well, this person had a naturally lean aesthetic before.
And so it's believable that like, no, they're on it too.
They're all on it. They just never want to talk about it.
It's almost like the most taboo thing you can bring up for some of these guys, even though it's like so obvious.
And out in the open.
Especially like for people that like are around fitness and in the gym like you just know like there's just tells you just know but they don't want to be seen they don't want the perception to be that they took a shortcut but i wonder if that'll change people are coming out online fitness influences and stuff like that it would be great i mean for some reason the last place where they're not doing it is hollywood is which is like it's all bullshit anyways right it's all the fugazi it's all people are wearing makeup cup they've got special lighting it's all bullshit but none of them want to talk
about it and it's pervasive it's it's it's so incredible how many are doing it did you see that you can reset your instagram algorithm now they just released this this week so you can completely wipe your instagram algorithm and start basically afresh wow so i'd probably be healthy for me well yeah you have a death and cars right that's it i mean i got like i have uh workplace accidents uh barbecue barbecue recipes italian women's feet watches yeah i probably gotta i gotta you really need this this was made for you wow uh but yeah i wonder if it'll uh purge all of the fitness influences that everybody
followed when they first started instagram in 2011 because you kind of get there's this trick that happens to your mind too when you open your algorithm you just go well this is what it is this is the world this is everybody's looking at it everybody is seeing these yeah Yeah.
And you're like, this is how we're all spending our time.
Yeah. I think that'd be fascinating.
Reset your Instagram algorithm.
How do you, there's like an actual - But yeah, it just, it's in the app.
They've released it.
And it's like, start over.
I think it said, want to start afresh?
Is the page that you go to.
You have to accept some terms and conditions.
It feels a little bit like euthanizing someone.
You're like, okay, are you sure that you're prepared to get rid of a decade of you building up this very carefully curated algorithm?
And I wonder if there's a little bit that lingers there and they go, go we'll let him try but something tells us like we might just have to throw the old shit in a little bit yeah it's used to the new stuff but that would be i mean that'd be fascinating to see what i actually want now as opposed to what i've fucking i've founded ruined so many other people's algorithms you know that by browsing on their phone no just i send them videos and then they go dude now they're like now i get sent like cyclists falling off a cliff every day and i'm like oh yeah they're like you've fucked everything up
for me and nothing makes me happier than like knowing that one of my friends is getting - Cursed with the same algorithm.
Yeah, I'm like, good, good, man.
Ryan Long was doing some research for a bit and he was looking at quadruple amputees and he's now just got his entire algorithm.
I know, you dive down these rabbit holes on there and then you're like - Oh, that's the shit you like.
Oh, we'll give you more of that.
We'll give you more.
He's like, I was doing some research briefly, but now kind of I do.
Yeah, now it's like, yeah, Yeah.
Like, uh, my buddy Burt looks at like, just like poverty stricken people preparing meals.
So it's just like somebody like really lower income being like, this is all I have. And they're making lunch. And then like, he's like, yeah, I'm just fascinated by this.
I'm like, what the fuck?
And he's just like, and if you look at his phone, it's just like people below the poverty line making meals.
It's a feedback loop.
Yeah. I had a guy on that wrote the book on artificial intelligence, the textbook that was used worldwide in like 100 languages, something like that.
And Stuart Russell, he said there's this really interesting thing.
There's two ways that algorithms can be better at predicting what it is that you're going to click on.
One is that they continue to feed you clickable content.
But the other one, it's bidirectional.
The other one is to nudge your preferences so that you become easier to predict.
checked I was like huh that makes so much sense because all that it's looking to do is maximize clicks yes but there's two people in this there's both the content that's being served and there's the preferences of the person that's clicking so over time these algorithms nudge people's preferences and how how easier is it to predict what somebody will or will not click on than by pushing them out to the fringe of any viewpoint if you are I know exactly what you're going to like and what you're going to hate because you're out on the right you're out on the left you're at at the top or the bottom
or whatever super easy if you're in the middle and you're like i'm gonna fall this way i'm not so bothered about that really really hard so it's like huh i haven't ever heard anybody talk about this other direction of how algorithms work by nudging your preferences to be more predictable not by getting better at serving you stuff that it knows you're going to click on yeah that's really fascinating it's scary to the way i've actually used utilize the thing a lot on instagram uh the not interested because like sometimes you're like what the fuck is all what why is this here and you start to like
hit that because hopefully just to get like something new trying it yeah there's uh i remember this was on facebook ages ago but uh the power of saying don't show me this page again or showing me fewer posts like this yeah a hundred to one i think compared with a like so it's so red right it's so much more effortful if you say like not interested in this thing so yeah i mean that's the trade or you can just completely you know 500 days of summer it and uh and decide to get have you done that have Have you done a total like - No, I only found out about it yesterday.
So I'd consider it.
I think I probably will.
Unplug? Oh yeah. Well, no, just reset.
I don't think I can do it.
I'd spent a week in Jamaica where I didn't have my phone.
Does that count? No, that doesn't.
Wasn't that though, like a type of experience for you?
The fact that you, like, I have friends that like are really at, like have done the thing where they give the account to somebody else to post. They're like, this is just rotting my brain, I'm spending way too much time.
And a couple of them that I can think of told me that it made them so much happier.
So in other words, they just go, here are the, here's the password. I'll tell you when to post things.
I don't want to have anything to do with it anymore.
I think a lot of people like that.
But one of the things I realized when I was in Jamaica was if you don't have any, so this was the week leading up to TikTok ban, all of that stuff.
If you have to self -generate things to talk about it's really interesting because you get to places that are a little bit deeper they're a little bit more interesting but on the flip side like you realize how reliant you are on yo do you see that that happened this morning oh have you noticed that trump said this is this thing you go okay so not only is it sort of capturing my time and my attention it's even like getting inside of me and staring out through my own eyes and making noises come out of my mouth yeah because you're you're part of it is that you feel like you're in the game right like
contributing yeah and and also like if you're completely unplugged then you're one of those people that's just like huh what happened a health care guy got shot like you don't want to be that guy you don't want to be the guy that doesn't know anything so it's there is like this kind of balance of like do you want to be in the game or you don't want to be obsessed also with like because i i do this thing where i i when especially when i'm alone right where you do you do the cycle i call it like like where i go like uh youtube instagram emails tiktok you like it whatever like you just yeah what's
that and then you just you're just like wow like two like i the hard thing for me is when you get back from a show like we're on i'm on the road that's a show you're in your room and you're like all right it's time to like i should go to bed soonish i'm just gonna look for a second yeah and that's like you get into that that loop it's like you have to have the discipline to just be like the advantage of being around people and it's the disadvantage if you spend a lot of time on your own because you like assuage your feelings of loneliness yeah by having a friend yeah well i'm not gonna feel alone
i don't need to feel bored i don't even have the whatever you're okay with the person's here it's like phone can fuck off and i think about it it's having a great conversation with a friend i'm not thinking about it that's right the second that they leave like uh body gun yeah and it's like the second the millisecond correct yeah i mean sometimes you're just like like i mean it's like when some it's like they're like i'm gonna go to the bathroom you're like okay it's like it's so it's so immediate yeah it is a drug i got uh i got followed it was a couple of weeks ago now there was a period for about two
weeks where tons and tons of latino and spanish accounts were following me i was like that's a fucking red flag yeah like something's happened in Spanish yeah somewhere and I can't read it I can't decipher it I don't know what has caught but something upstream in AI translated all your shit no no it was just like I maybe someone or something had got a hold of something that I'd said and I'm like this could be positive this could be the beginning of me fucking starting some sort of war with like the country of Mexico I don't know but I just I had no idea what was going on I'm like fuck fuck fuck
like being followed by it was the same Whitney Cummings told me that um after she did that cnn thing tons of comedians texted her saying that was so funny and she's like immediate red flag if lots of comedians text you and say that the thing you just did on tv was funny yeah huge warning sign yeah massive fucking warnings yeah yeah like that was the wait did you figure out what no no still no i'm just like this is it's an open loop i'm flying in the dark here i mean yeah comedians complimenting you definitely makes you go like I fucked up yeah I did something wrong I went to this daytime house
music party in Austin on Saturday it's called mushroom cowboy so it's a my good host the kind of event I don't know I think they're kind of hinting at that but it's in a coffee well it was outside of a coffee shop off Congress yeah so I turn up at half 10 it started at 10 and the queue is 250 yards long for coffee right and there must have been 1500 people there one guy brought a baguette was raving with his baguette those dogs you know pretty pretty sober looking from the outside maybe some people smoking weed but uh i think this is maybe the beginning of us seeing the end of like hardcore drink
culture if you've looked at how few of gen z now drink yes it's i think maybe 20 the interesting thing is like the the theories on why because there's obviously they have to be theories right on on We don't actually know exactly.
Yeah. One of them is that people, the youth views drinking as like what their parents did.
Right. So that's like, that's naturally uncool.
Yeah. My fucking lame ass dad drinks.
Like I don't, I'm not interested.
And so that's one thing.
The other part of it is that this group of people that are the youth right now are so much more informed on what the negative aspects of drinking and what it can do to you that they're just like, why would I, you know, why would I come to something like that?
And that they've found this whole other, you know, when you want to take the edge off, there's a lot more options.
And it's also a lot more accepted today than it was 20 years ago.
Like the idea that you could microdose or do edibles or smoke or, you know what I mean?
And then there's like all the ketamine and everything is like, I have different things that I do when I want to have a recreational good time.
Yeah, but it's undeniable that it's definitely way down.
Yeah. There's more daily users in the U S of weed now than there are of alcohol.
Is that for real? Overtaken, or at least that was the most recent study that I saw in the U S than are more daily or near daily marijuana users than daily or near daily alcohol users.
And that, and that, that thought was just completely like, if you're a teen right now, you don't understand how preposterous that sounds coming from, like, if you were growing up in the eighties and nineties, like you were just like, as those were like fringe people almost, you know what I mean?
Like, yes, it was popular, but it was not like a respectable person really wasn't doing that.
You know, it was like the arts, it was like hippies and yeah, it was, I mean, people thought of it as like the absolute worst thing that could happen.
I mean, people from like my dad's generation likened marijuana to heroin.
They didn't even see like really a difference.
They're just like, you're a junkie.
It's like, but what for smoking in a joint and like yeah that's the way they viewed it so the fact that it's that accepted now it's it's mind -blowing to me i wonder if some of it is that drinking in the house on your own feels pretty fucking bad yeah smoking in the house on your own you're like i'm just watching i'm playing call of duty yeah leave me alone but if you if you're six beers deep playing call of duty yeah it's a different story yeah and you're not playing well i thought you're just like i I don't know how well people are playing on weed either.
Fuck. Yeah. Yeah. You're probably more likely to yell out pejorative slurs.
Yeah. I think that, I mean, look, smoke, smoking is still not good for you.
So like you're probably, but we've discovered that, you know, there's other ways to ingest and like consume.
And that's what I think is part of like this youth culture thing about staying away from drinking is they're like, whatever.
I do droplets in this, or I, you know, I, I have my gummy or whatever, however they want to consume, but they're just, they're definitely not drinking, man.
They're not drinking like they, like everybody else before them did.
I used to run nightclubs for ages.
And one of the big downturns we've seen has been in nightlife industry.
I think the UK is losing a nightclub a week.
There's not like an unlimited number of nightclubs.
It's like one is shutting down pretty much every single week.
And I asked a friend who's still in the industry, why he thought that was the case.
And he said, smartphones, man, back in the day, you could be as loose as you wanted.
You could sort of have that Larry, louty, drinking spirit, at least in Britain.
They don't want to be recorded?
Of course. If you mess up and shit yourself in the middle of a nightclub in 2002, it's a story that you can deny the next day.
And then after six months, most people have probably forgotten.
Whereas if that happens in 2025, that's now concretized on the internet for everybody to know and bring back up and make memes out of for the rest of time.
i mean it's but imagine like how the pro athletes of the 80s and 90s and early 2000s would just go out and just just destroy just destroy a woman's hopes and dreams and then now they're all yeah they're like everyone's on edge yeah everyone's got a phone out it's just yeah it's it's a totally different by the way do you ever think about why as i still remember that like why was house music and dancing in general so much bigger in europe than here people here were never like let's go dance i'm not sure i mean i guess why does any scene of any kind appear anywhere we certainly have in the uk like
a good house music culture yeah uh a lot of people didn't have much else to do other than go out and party and drink yeah if the weather's bad then you know we're not going gonna go out to the ranch we're not going to go and see the sunset we're not going to go to the beach because it's fucking freezing cold all the time so you kind of just zero in on the one thing that's reliable which is beer yeah pubs or clubs yeah yeah no i just remember like so many times like being in the states and having like european friends were like why don't you guys you guys don't like to go dance and i was like no no we're
not going dancing bro like like no and and then i I would remember like studying abroad and being like, oh yeah, we would, that's, that was like a normal thing.
Just go to a place that was just like packed and everybody just loud music dancing.
It just was one of those things where I was like, it just didn't translate over here.
I mean, there were still clubs obviously, but it just wasn't the same type of, oh, I just want to go listen to this and literally dance.
Like that's what people I felt like were doing a lot more in Europe than here.
Yeah. There's a, another study that just came out recently about rates of sexlessness.
So this has sort of been talked about for ages.
And there was this big study in 2018 that looked really scary.
And then it kind of got reversed in the GSS data.
Then there's this new one.
Rates of sexlessness are climbing among adults aged 22 to 34.
Stats plucked from the newly unsheathed National Survey of Family Growth showed 10 % of young males and 7 % of their female counterparts saying they're still virgins.
That's 22 to 34. In sum, for all young adults, adult male sexlessness has roughly doubled in all measures over the last 10 years for young females.
It's was risen by roughly 50%.
So 24 % of men, 22 to 24 had not had sex in 2022 from 9 % in 2013.
And for females, the number was 13 % up from 8%.
When asked if they'd had sex in the last three months, 35 % of men said no, jumping from 20 % and women didn't fare much better with 31 % up from 21.
So basically not going out, not partying, not having sex at like the highest rates.
Yeah, it seems so. Yeah.
So there's a real pervasive issue of loneliness.
a real thing that most people don't think about if they're not lonely if they if they have company if they have friends if they have relationships you don't realize how many people are literally lonely people like they're alone they don't have that companionship and you take it for granted i think if you're if it's not something that you have to deal with you know and then you i've Have you ever met somebody who you realize is lonely in this world?
And it affects you.
It affected me. Like, where you just go like, oh, this person just doesn't have relationships.
And there could be so many reasons why.
But what I'm saying is that it's so many more people than you think about when you're not in that position.
It's so many more people.
So many people are lonely.
I'm not surprised by it.
The other thing about like the sexual statistics that I was first like surprised when I heard one of my friends has daughters that are college age and was saying that, you know, he was like, yeah, like she all through her adolescence into high school, everything just hung out with girls.
and she's like she doesn't she's never had the experience of like like oh guys are aggressive she's like guys don't talk to us like that's that's the world that she grew up in is like she was going to college and was like you know she's like well hope i don't get raped but that's all that's what she thinks of like men is that like they're either predators but she just didn't predators renaissance those are the two choices she was like yeah but like she just didn't have had the experience of like boys trying to like hit on her or just even engage she was just like with girls and then she was like
yeah guys and i i think there's like a lot you can deduce from that but some of it too is that like the is like about the guys not necessarily but like about how those guys have been growing up in the last you know decade plus in a different environment than like we grew up in or that i grew up in right which was like they came up in this sure there's been like a fem there's a feminism cycle that's always happening but they also grew up in like me too and and all this these things that become report and like some of those boys become fearful of interacting with them like well i don't want to be
seen as like this so and they just what happens is they just wait oh that'll happen later like my interactions then they're 15 16 17 now Now they're in college and they've still yet to interact.
You've got no experience with talking to girls.
With no experience.
So then it makes sense when you hear a statistic like, well, they're 22 or 24 and they're aversions.
They're still probably like, oh, that's going to happen later.
Because Me Too happened as they were about to start speaking to girls.
I mean, to me, it seems like a pretty logical way to tie things in, right?
And these were like the dominant stories.
Remember, you couldn't get away from these stories.
And so I don't know.
It's like build. I mean, you want to raise somebody.
But I have boys. You want to raise them in a healthy environment and like, you know, teach them how to interact with the opposite sex. But like, I think if you're if you don't have encouragement to like, yeah, try and talk and just be normal and you're just like you, you know, you guys are the predators.
Like, it can be probably scary for some of those young kids.
the huge problem with telling men don't be pushy yeah is that the guys who need to hear it the most aren't going to take heat they're never going to and the guys who really should be encouraged more are going to take it to heart yeah that's true it's like gun laws how so well I mean like you can have the strictest gun laws but the people who really like who want guns are just going to fucking get them anyway if you're sufficiently motivated you'll find a way to work around yeah dude you're just I mean gun laws are like you know they're it They exist on paper.
But like, if you want a gun, and you're like, I'm getting one, and I'm going to shoot someone like that's the you're not gonna be like, Oh, shit, that's against the law.
Like, you're just gonna, you're just gonna do what you want to do.
Yeah, I mean, like, so it's, it's those are the people that that they write the laws for.
They write them for those guys.
We'll get back to talking to Tom in one minute, but first I need to tell you about Nomadic.
Traveling should be about the journey, not, see that one hand, the chaos of packing, which is why I partnered with Nomadic.
Their travel pack, this 14 liter, is this the 14?
This is the 14 liter travel pack.
This is the biggest life changer from a luggage perspective that I've ever had.
It's what I use every single day and it makes traveling genuinely so much more enjoyable.
They've got compartments for everything.
your laptop your shoes your sunglasses the bag is so clean you half expect it to start flirting with a flight attendant and if you're still on the fence their products will last you literally a lifetime with their lifetime guarantees this is the final backpack that you ever need to buy plus you can return or exchange any product in 30 days for any reason so you can buy your new bag try it for a month if you don't like it they just give you your money back and they ship internationally and get a 20 discount and see everything that I use and recommend including this game -changing backpack by going
to the link in the description below or heading to nomadic .com slash modern wisdom.
That's nomadic .com slash modern wisdom.
Have you learned much about like yourself or your nature, seeing it reflected back to you and your boys?
Um, a little bit. Yeah.
I mean, my youngest is like my twin and it's fucking, it's just, he's a, he's very sensitive and he also like flies off the call he's like joe pesci though he's just like motherfucker and you're like god damn he's six years old and he's just he he has the craziest mouth on him but like every time he does something like he explodes with like a reaction to something you know my wife just goes she goes it's your genetics she's like that's you i'm like you know i mean i'm talking about like if he bumps a table you know he's like what the fuck why is this fucking thing here and i'm like and then she's
like you do that i'm like okay um but he's also like a very like he's really sweet and he's really sensitive very tender kid and she's like that's who you are like at your core you know you're this sweet guy and you have this exterior like this little maniac but she's like you guys are the yeah so sometimes you're like and the other thing that kids do is like you don't realize because you interact so much with adults you know as an adult and then they'll they'll say things to you like i've i've flown off the handle i've been like what the fuck are you guys doing like you my kids will be like hey we
are kids you don't talk to a kid like that and i'll be like okay sorry reverse discipline yeah like seriously and they're like why would you yell like that i'm like because you're painting the house you're putting paint Paint on the house.
Like, stop painting the walls of the house.
And they're like, okay, just say it.
I'm like, okay, I shouldn't have to tell you don't paint the house.
You're not a painter.
We shouldn't have to tell you not to fly off the handle.
Yeah, we shouldn't tell you not to yell.
You don't have to yell like that.
I'm like, okay, can you please stop painting the house?
Because I have to call a real painter now to fix what you just did.
And they're like, okay, see how that worked?
I'm like, yeah, great.
But, yeah, it totally resets you.
You're like, am I on my fucking mind here?
Like, yeah, but it does work.
Yeah. dude yeah it's so funny uh this i got it we got to talk about this headline the department of governmental efficiency in this office of management finding 50 million dollars was earmarked to spend on condoms in gaza do you see this no in condoms department of governmental efficiency in the office of management and budget found that the biden administration was about to send 50 million dollars to fund condoms for gaza this was yesterday this is the biggest thing on twitter at the moment and when like do we know when they were they were about to do this so they were just like stop having babies
i don't know why so there's two main theories for why it might have been okay first one's money laundering 50 million okay a lot of money laundering second one is a lot of palestinians had been attaching ieds to condoms that were filled with like refrigerant gas what ids okay and then releasing incendiary devices in israeli territory so it's like the most it's they can float these things over and then drop ids drop incendiary devices so those are the two main theories the one that it's money laundering and the second one that it's improvised explosive condoms. Wait, but money laundering benefiting
who though? I don't know.
Yeah. Well, it's not, I actually think that's not enough money to be like a strong money laundering.
50 mil? 50 million is not that much money.
When you talk about the ocean.
Well, when you talk about the grand scale of like government funding, fundings and, you know, criminal, like 50 million is not like the amount where you go, like, it's not like.
Maybe they thought they could get it under the radar.
I don't know. I don't know how useful that is.
I mean, it seems like—I didn't know about the IED.
That part is—if they're like, look, we can't send you bombs, but we'll send you some condoms. And you guys know you do your little— Some helium in them.
You do your little wizardry that you've been doing.
Touch a bit of C4 to the bottom.
It's so fascinating that people can make anything useful for—because you always hear these prison stories where they're like, get the fuck out of here.
Yeah. Well, that's how they're just like, yeah, these guys, they made their shoelace and a toothbrush into a knife.
And you're like, what the fuck are you talking about?
And then, you know, they can't give them anything because everything becomes a weapon, right?
And so that, I mean, I would have never guessed that.
I thought what you were going to go with was they were just saying like, look, you're going to keep having sex, but stop making babies because you just, you know, like that would be the explanation for it.
Resource restriction and stuff like that.
Yeah. I mean, or just like you can't, you don't want to have babies in this environment.
So start wearing them.
That's an altruistic way to look at it.
It's like a logical way to go like.
No, no, no, no, no, no, no. floating ieds floating ieds touch by also because it's like it it's dark in that they if if the explanation is like look on paper we can't send you weapons but you you guys just have this you know what to do you don't know what to do with the condoms and that's our way of saying we support you too yeah we support both of you just you with condoms and you with missiles yeah imagine that That's the fight?
Condoms versus missiles?
I mean, it kind of is.
One person's throwing rocks, the other one's throwing an entire technological armory.
It's fucking wiped out, man.
Yeah. It's like the two stories that I saw yesterday.
The first one was about maybe these condoms are being used for IEDs.
And the second one was the International Doomsday Clock Federation saying it's at 89 seconds to midnight.
It's like the closest that it's ever been.
and this is how close humanity is to destruction or self -destruction or something like that.
I'm like, if we, if it's like a day clock or something or 12 hour clock and you're at 89 seconds, maybe it was at 90 or 91 or something before, like we're so close now, we should just move it back to like 6pm and then increase the increments between it.
It's like 89. So like, what does that mean?
What does that mean?
I don't know. Well, it's basically that this decision Manifestation reflects concerns over nuclear risk, climate change, and disruptive technologies like AI, indicating a dire warning about humanity's proximity to existential threats.
It's the closest point it's ever been to symbolic global catastrophe.
It's like, what does 89 seconds mean?
What does that ever mean?
I have no idea. I'm completely lost. I microdosed this morning, so I don't know.
Let's fucking go. Okay.
Let's fucking go. 89 seconds?
i don't know i don't know what it means but i it seems to me like this um period that we're in now has got definitely a lot more unpredictability largely because of trump it's like yeah what's actually going to happen do you think that you know how people are always doing this thing of they're like hey the end of the world has to be near at this point like everything do you think there's ever been a time when people weren't saying that no i think it's always been a thing Right.
But people always are like and.
I mean, yeah, Trump is like, I mean, he's such a polar polarizing figure.
I've never seen somebody also, in my opinion, be so transparently themselves and have people react to that person in such extreme different way.
Like he so clearly is who he is.
There is no he doesn't put up this disguise.
and then you have people who see it through the lens of like this is like somebody who's here to save us and you're like what and then or destroy us yeah and so like every people see him as like this great person who has best intentions for citizens and country and then other people who are like this is a con man you know um but i mean it's just so insane to me that there's both views the same guy is the same guy doing the same things yeah and it's pretty i thought it was so clear who he is like he just reads so clearly it's like an you know the rorschach test yeah it's like an ideological rorschach
test it kind of is you hey look at that tell Is it bunny rabbit, butterfly, sunrise?
Like, what is it? And some people see one and some people see the complete opposite.
That's a, it's a fascinating thing though, right?
When you think about it that way about this person that he can exist and be who he is, say the things he says has his resume has like a clear, a clear, uh, list of actions.
directions and um you know that it's there's no mystery to who this person is and people still choose to view it through we are that's not even shoes just the way it is like human beings view this through completely different lenses it's kind of fascinating yeah have you ever met him no i sat like six feet from him okay and uh i didn't meet him though didn't get to shake his hand i saw i saw this video of him shaking gavin newsom's hand and uh there's a huge debate online about who out alfred who oh and uh because trump does that he does he does but then newsom like knows it's coming they must
have prepped oh for sure they practiced the thing like this is gonna be a big deal and as he pulls him in newsom puts his hand on his shoulder like that so you know he's like sort of pushing and pulling like shoulder yeah yeah yeah so it's like you know how how you you sort of tap someone on the but he's gone on the front so he gets pulled in he's able to leverage oh it's so interesting but i don't know like the there's a bit of me i mean how long it's been in office like fucking two weeks or some shit yeah it's very very quick every every morning i wake up to npr because i like to drop my testosterone
first thing in the morning sure and it's just trump headline trump headline trump headline trump headline trump it's like just him I'm I'm kind of already a bit.
Well, I had this I had this like so on the last on his first term, I got 1000 percent news fatigue from that.
No, like when when he went out of office, I was like like collapsing.
And I realized that actually over the last four years, I consumed way less news than I used to.
I used to like be kind of all day reading that.
And since he's been in office, I've seen headlines.
I know about, you know, multiple executive orders, but I don't even want to get into that emotional investment.
It's almost like when you're a fan of a team, like you don't really have the experience of being a sports fan unless you're emotionally invested.
That's really when you're a fan.
Unless it could ruin your day.
Yeah, it has to ruin your day.
Otherwise, you're not really a fan.
And yes, you know, obviously, like I live in this country.
I want things to go well here.
I'm hoping for the best. But I cannot emotionally invest in Trump news and and just what's happening with this administration like I did the first time because it just frankly takes up too much energy and too much time.
And I do not, I have a number of things going on and I do not want to be, it's, it's also a distraction.
It's not really affecting you the way you think it is.
You know, you, you start to like hear these things and the, and then you just bark at your friend about it.
You know, you're like, you just fucking believe this bullshit.
It's like, it's not really affecting most people in the way that they think it is and that they say it is.
It just isn't. Like, in the way that most presidents in there don't really change your life that much. So now, I know there's people that are going to hear this and be like, well, you know, it kind of affected my life because X, Y, and Z happened.
Okay. So there's things that are exceptions to that.
But for the most part, like what the president is doing, whoever the president is, it doesn't really affect your life that much. You can choose to invest in such a way where it starts to do like literally, it's like the energy of your day went into reacting to what this person did that you either love or hate.
And it's like, I can't do it.
Well, think about you're worried about the outcomes of the policy or whatever.
Maybe that'll impact you.
Maybe it won't. But you can ruin your day worrying about it no matter, regardless of what happens.
This thing does or doesn't happen.
It doesn't matter. Your day's already been ruined by worrying about what it is that's gone on, like, I don't know, political anxiety or something.
It reminds me of the fear of conversations, like when you go, Chris did something.
I want to talk to him about it.
But like, fuck. And you start to play in your head all the ways that it could go.
You know what I mean?
And you have this anxiety building inside of you of like, and you start to avoid and avoid and avoid.
And then it's just like, just have the conversation.
And you realize that the worry about the conversation is worse than the conversation itself, right?
Like, everything leading up to that, it's all in your head.
I don't want to have all this exercise in my mind where I'm just, like, so emotionally drained by what the president is doing, you know?
It's like, I feel that as a distraction.
isn't it interesting that like our fear of fear is so much worse than whatever it is that we've got to fear yeah like just reliably yes it's like you learn that you can actually if you're in your 20s you can start you know i think get into the practice of like you learn that like having because conversations are a thing that i think really make people scared communicating with people about like what you want what you need uh like those types of things it those aren't inherently you're not just like good at that you you have to get into it and like the younger you can get into the practice of doing
it this is what i think this is how i feel oh my god you're in a totally different group you're a totally different group than the people who you know repress and just shut down like i mean that's how i was built just like just don't talk about it yeah Don't talk.
You don't have needs.
Yeah. Subjugate them.
Your desires aren't worthy.
Yeah. There's no point in doing this.
You just shut down.
And then, yeah, that's gonna show itself somewhere else.
Yeah. Neil Strauss says, unspoken expectations are premeditated resentments.
And people just have this, like, sense, well, you should have known.
Yes. Like, I wanted this thing.
Yes. You go, well, you didn't fucking tell me.
Yeah, how do you? But now I'm resentful about the fact that you didn't do the thing that I didn't ask you to do.
You, I resent you for not knowing my thoughts.
is what you're doing yeah if we were really friends and that's you would have known that is an unrealistic expectation to put on somebody yeah and sometimes the the it's you that needs to go like oh yeah i'm gonna advocate for myself yeah yeah i mean so i mean some people like you really can put that work in but you can realize that earlier in life this is there's actually like a similar thing i think for like health and fitness which we were talking about which is like they're not tied to communication but you realize that there are some people who they get it kind of beat into them how important
that is young and they they stay they stick with it and look man it's a lot i want to say it's easy but it's easier to stay and maintain and your good health and fitness than it is to get way out of it and go back there.
So like, if you're a young person and you are, you know, one of my friends said one time, he goes, you know, I've never been out of shape.
You know, like I was training as a teen and he's like, I've just never been out of shape.
I'm like, oh yeah. Like he's like, so I just make that that priority.
That's a way better thing.
And I think there's a parallel for learning how to communicate about yourself.
If you can can work on those skills of like standing up for yourself learning to talk about things that are bothering you or feeling whatever and you can maintain and build on that in in a younger age you're way ahead you're way ahead was that a certainness something that you struggled with when you were younger a thousand percent i mean i don't i didn't have a good model for it honestly you know like i i think like my dad was somebody that just like he was a just kind of shut down and take it.
And so I kind of, I feel like I was just like, Oh, like if something is bothering you, you just kind of just deal with it.
Yeah. Yeah. You just deal with it.
And I think I totally modeled that behavior, you know, of just, okay.
Like just, just push it down.
So yeah, it took years, I think of, of it bothering you enough to realize.
Yeah. Then, And then you, of course, explode, right?
Because you're just repressing things.
You have all of these resentments that build up over time.
Yeah. And then it just kind of shows itself in other ways.
But, yeah, I mean, I've gotten to a place, I think, where at the very least an awareness of you have to communicate.
And I've become much more assertive and I say what I want and talk to people.
way differently than i did 10 15 20 years ago it's strange that we i have that too uh lots of people have lots of discomfort around advocating for themselves yeah so the only way you can serve anybody else is if you're you can whatever the serve people from the saucer that overflows around your cup like how how are you going to sort anybody else if you if your stuff hasn't been sorted.
And yeah, you know, there's this stat about it's the likelihood that people ensure that dog completes a course of antibiotics is 95%.
The likelihood that they complete a course of antibiotics is 50%.
We're literally better at looking after an animal than we are at looking after ourselves.
That makes total sense.
I also think that there's something where like, you know, like if you have a friend, like it's more likely that I would advocate for you harder than i way myself way easier yeah it's way easier to do yeah like and really dig into how fucking dare you tell oh yeah yeah like yeah but yeah you'll really stand up for them but then you'll be encouraging to them it's like i'm gonna fight on your behalf but once we're done i'll come don't worry man like you know you tried your best it's at the level of support yeah that's the other Oh, my God.
The way that you talk to friends about any of their struggles and how they should see themselves versus how we talk to ourselves.
When I heard that first broken down, I was like, oh, my God, I'm so abusive.
I'm a criminal. Yeah.
Like it's like, yeah, you talk the way I talk to myself.
Like I, I have a much less self -loathing these days than I did.
Like everything, it always rears its head and you always, and it's, it's not, I don't feel like you get like, this is done.
Right. But it, when something peaks in like that, I feel like it, it has a much shorter shelf life because you realize it's, it's, it is not very loving.
um there's no acceptance there and it's it's ultimately it's it's not productive what's productive is like taking action on whatever the thing is so like i i just feel like whenever like even like if it's like fitness health and he's like you fuck a piece of shit sitting around doing nothing look at this fucking gut or whatever it is that it doesn't really i i could sit in that if i wanted to and i have before for a long time but it's just like no it's like today now let's go right like whether it's what you're eating or let's go train you just feel like you know with even with like creative things
you you get in these like self -loathing kind of ruts also about like what your productivity is whether you're writing a script or you're on stage but sitting Sitting in that, you just realize it just, you just fall deeper into it.
And you just, it doesn't, you don't do anything.
The older you get, the more you just realize the only solution for this feeling is just action.
So like what I just do in those moments when I feel that is I open my laptop or I get a pen or I just go to a, get on stage and I go, I'm forcing myself, even if this fucking bombs.
Like, I don't want to sit in that feeling of like, I suck.
And also like, I wouldn't do it to you, right?
Like if you were like, I suck, I wouldn't be like, you know, you do suck, man.
Like, you should just sit here and do nothing.
I would be like, get up, let's go.
Let's go do something.
Let's go train, whatever.
Let's work on a project.
So you just learn, I think, with age and experience that action is like, it really is the big solve.
That's the one thing I would tell, I told you I don't like to advise young artists and I really don't, but the one thing I would feel comfortable telling them is doing something is the way to getting where you want to go.
I don't care if you're a painter or a writer or an actor or a a comedian, like you're not going to achieve any of that by sitting here and feeling bad about yourself.
Go ahead if you want to.
But the way out of this is by doing the thing.
You have to act. Once upon a time, Tom Segura used to look like Burt Kreischer ate Tom Segura.
But those days are gone because Tom took control of his health.
And with function, you can take control of yours without any of the guesswork.
They run lab tests twice a year that monitor over 100 biomarkers.
their team of expert physicians then takes the data puts it in a simple dashboard and gives you insights and actionable recommendations to improve your health and lifespan they track everything from your heart health to your hormone levels thyroid function and even nutrient deficiencies they even screen for 50 types of cancer at stage one which is five times more data than you get from an annual physical getting your blood work done and analyzed like this would usually cost thousands but with function it is only 500 right now you can bypass their wait list and get the the exact same blood panels
that i get by going to the link in the description below or heading to functionhealth .com slash modern wisdom that's functionhealth .com slash modern wisdom well if you think that action really is the only thing that matters in the end and what you're trying to achieve presumably by calling yourself a piece of shit internally is motivating yourself to go and do the action okay so what i think is independent of the action so if i can just go and do the action i don't need to make myself unnecessarily suffer beforehand that's just an addiction to me always seeing me like the villain or like the loser
true like the person that doesn't get anything done and has there ever been a time when you've gone and done something without calling yourself a piece of shit for doing it yeah loads of times all the time all the time you're gonna do stuff without first like fucking whipping yourself into submission yeah okay so just try try and continue to shortcut that calling yourself a piece of shit thing and just go straight to, I'm just going to do the thing.
I'm just going to try and do the thing.
And yeah, there's a, an idea around, there are so many people working so hard and achieving so little.
And I think the same about the internal landscape of people's minds.
There are so many people thinking so meanly about themselves and having so few outcomes from it.
It's like, okay, so the the reason you want to go and do something is presumably to make your life better.
And in the process of trying to motivate yourself to go and do something to make your life better, you make your life fucking miserable.
It's like you're sacrificing the thing that you want for the thing that's supposed to get the thing that you want.
And then you realize, well, the more that I call myself a piece of shit, actually kind of doesn't really motivate me all that much. It's kind of like a toxic fuel that doesn't last that long.
Maybe it gets me a really, really bad situation and really, really like down on my health or whatever it is, are young you go after a while it's just habit and routine it's people get addicted to the suffering right and and what you need to what you try to get to is just it's actually looking at that that voice as almost like a sign you're passing on a highway you just kind of look and you go like oh yeah there's that like i think that's a place you want and then hopefully one day it's not it's not even there at all it's in the it's in the past but yeah the longer you're in the cycle of being
productive the less that voice is there and the less it lasts and the more you see it for what it is which is like it's a nuisance and it's an obstacle and you and it's an enemy as well it's not your friend it's not your mind's not your friend when it's doing that yeah at all yeah but it is something that again like i think so many people think that that's just them you know what I mean like they just go like man I'm the only one with these like dude it's yeah your therapist has those thoughts like for real it's funny as well a lot of people I think that maybe have those kinds of thoughts have high
goals for themselves and they've probably maybe started to make some movement toward them so you go wow so you believe that you have agency in the real world you think that your efforts can cause an outcome to happen and you know you're the fact that you you moved out of the house a little bit younger than most of your friends, or the fact that you changed that career that you didn't really like, or, you know, when you acquired that skill that you really, really wanted.
Why do you think that happens?
Like, well, cause I worked at it.
I worked really hard. You go, okay.
So you're, you're telling me that you and your agency can influence the world outside of you.
Yes. Okay. You know, the texture of your mind, you know, the way that you think, like, do you think that you have agency over everything?
And then that's for some reason stops at the boundary of your skull.
Yeah. So like the only thing that you actually do directly have agency over which is what's happening inside of your mind is the one place that you don't feel like you're a victim most help yeah most helpless yeah in there and it's such a paradox right so i think people have even been able to um save relationships you know my partner really wasn't sure that this was going to work and i proved to them that that this was the right thing and now we're married and we're so happy and all the rest of it oh what so it's not even like you think that you have more agency over other people now than you
do over the way you think it just shows you like like all this just makes me think about how complicated the human mind and experience is it's just it like you know when you go to like talk about like health and weight loss right there's so many people who you go like do you know what to do like do you know what to do to do it and so many people are like yeah just eat this and do this And you're like, so what is the holdup?
Right? Well, the holdup is that sure, that formula is simple, but existing in the world and dealing with life and emotions and thoughts is not that simple.
And so the execution of this plan, sometimes it just doesn't go as simply as it kind of should.
Right. Like being a human being is complicated.
It just is. We have, we're sophisticated minds and entities on this.
in this, it speaks to like what you were just saying.
It's like, how can you have so much control over this situation, but not here?
It's like, you know what I mean?
How can you not know to eat some fucking chicken and go on a walk?
It's like, well, you do, but it's just being here is, is more complicated than that.
It just is. I remember you told this story about a friend of yours who got diagnosed with real late stage age cancer he was like i'm gonna beat this you're like dude yeah you tell that this was like it's so insane i i it was when it was like my closest high school friend and he came to see me uh do a show in palm beach and i remember uh we walked back from we went to a bar that was near the hotel and we walked back to the hotel and he was like he's overweight he was like really huffing and puff and sweating and i was like god i was like i'm fat but you're a fucking mess like i was like that was hard
for you like we just walked like on a you know no hill just like straight down the street it's like all right well it is florida you know it's humid or whatever and the next day uh i think they said yeah they spent the night and they were driving back and so then and then And the day after that, I was living in LA.
I get back to LA and another friend was like, oh, did you hear what happened?
I was like, hear what happened?
I didn't, what do you mean?
Oh yeah, on their way back to their house, my friend's wife was like, I don't like the way you look or your breathing, so we're just going to stop by the emergency room.
And like kind of, you know, convinced him to.
do they go to the emergency room he gets x -rayed he's got tumors everywhere he's got stage four lung cancer and it's like and so this is how i find out on this call and then you know i he goes immediately into treatment right and they're like this is you know this is basically basically as bad as it can get.
So his brother finds the specialist who treats this particular type of cancer in Indianapolis.
He's doing trips from Florida, Indianapolis.
I go visit him in the hospital and this is like, I don't know, maybe a month has gone by or something.
So he's deep into to his chemo, he's bald, he's lost 80 pounds or something.
And like, I'm like, everybody's face is kind of like, you know, you can just read it.
Doctors, spouse, friends, everyone's like, it's good that you're here, you know?
And you're like, yeah.
And then him, he's just like, Like, yeah, man, just doing this.
And like, you know, I'll beat this thing.
And then maybe, by the way, in the summer we can go to this.
And I'm like, what the fuck?
And I'm like, oh, he's just like crazy, you know?
And I'm like, does he understand the gravity of this?
And they're like, I mean, I think so.
But I always told him, I go, I think you're dumb enough to think you can do this.
and i actually remember that like when my uncle my uncle was like a world -renowned urologist and when he got uh mesothelioma i remember my dad being like you know it's it's he's too smart he knows how to read these charts like he just he's like he knows he's gonna die he knows he just he there's just no and i i i say it jokingly but i feel like my My friend was also like uninformed and determined, obviously, to just be like, yeah, I mean, I know this sucks and this this treatment sucks, but I'll be fine.
And like, believe it, believe it.
And they consider him like in this field and especially with like in this specialty as like a true miracle.
And he did beat it.
Yeah. yeah, he's been in remission for, what is it now?
Like seven or more years.
I forget how many years now.
And he beat it and he's, and he's, and like right away, by the way, you're like, he's like, he drinks, he fucking dips, he eats like shit.
And you're like, like, doesn't that scare you into a different lifestyle?
He's like, huh? I'm like, you're fucking, fucking, he's got a watermelon head.
So maybe there's just like air in there.
I don't know but yeah no he doesn't take like particularly good care of himself which is a look this it's further into like the the conversation we're talking about like how minds work is like i remember when my dad uh also i was at the same this is i just realized this right now i was at the same comedy club this is more than 10 years ago this is like closer to 15 years ago in florida and he came to a show and also didn't look good and was also breathing heavy stop going to that comedy club i know right killing people and my mom also made him go to the emergency room on the way home and he had
98 blockage in his one of his arteries so they did an emergency stint right open up the artery which is like fairly common but obviously like if it's one of those things like if he didn't do that he probably would have a heart attack in the next whatever whatever, a couple of weeks or something.
And like, I don't know when he got out of the hospital, you know, you, you feel this relief at the time.
And like the next time I called him, cause we would talk like almost every day.
I was like, where are you?
I'm at McDonald's. And I'm like, did you just get an emergency stint put in like for your clogged arteries?
Yeah, I know. And I'm just having a McMuffin.
Like, what the fuck, man?
And I'm like, Like, don't you want to like, you know, go, oh, thank you for this new lease on life and eat differently.
He's like, what? Like, OK, like people just are who they are, you know, in some cases.
Like I would think, I don't know, maybe it's just like when I broke my fucking arm and tore my patellar tendon and I viewed like some of that was just like a catalyst of like, oh, I need to take better care of myself.
so i guess it's just how you're wired i guess in a way right where you're like i don't want to be to learn from experience so i guess i'm friends with stupid people i don't know like yeah like i don't know like you don't want to start eating healthier because your arteries are clogged and he was like it's a McMuffin i'm like okay my friend beats cancer and you're like how much tobacco are you consuming every day is like i don't know like you're like you know there's a correlation right to the thing that you narrowly beat and what you're doing every day yeah it's yeah before we continue i've tried
pretty much every green string that i could find trying to work out which one was best and i came across ag1 and i've stuck it stuck it stuck with it for years because it's literally the best it's the most comprehensive it's the most rigorously tested and best formulation and if i I found anything better I would switch but I haven't which is why I still use it and I got my parents to use it I got my friends to use it and I put it inside of my body every single day.
This is NSF certified for sport meaning that every batch is not only held to strict standards for heavy metals but also is tested for 280 banned substances.
One scoop of AG1 contains 75 vitamins minerals and whole food sourced ingredients including a multi -vitamin multi -mineral pre and probiotic green superfood blend and more that all work together to fill the nutritional gaps in in your diet increases energy and focus aids with digestion and supports a healthy immune system all without the need to take multiple products or pills and if you're still unsure they've got a 90 -day money -back guarantee so you can buy it and try it every single day for three months and if you do not like it they'll just give you your money back right now you get a year's
free supply vitamin d3 k2 and five free ag1 travel packs plus that 90 -day money -back guarantee by going to the link in the description below or heading to drinkag1 .com slash modern wisdom that's drink That's thinkag1 .com slash modern wisdom.
Have you ever seen the Midwit meme?
Do you know what that is?
Oh, dude. So imagine a bell curve.
It's an IQ bell curve.
And on the left -hand side, this sort of Neanderthal -looking meme guy with the heavy brow.
And then in the middle at the top is the sort of raging lib guy.
And then on the far side is the sage that's got his hood up looking like a Jedi.
And the joke is that the guy on the left and the guy on the right always arrive at the same conclusion.
And the guy in the middle tries to overcomplicate it.
So we've spent, me and George, my friend have spent, I'm not kidding, like months talking about this.
He sent me another meme about it this morning.
I think it's the most philosophically important meme because let's say it's getting in shape.
Lift weights, eat protein.
Lift weights, eat protein.
I must ensure that my pre -digested whey is consumed within 30 minute window.
I have to make sure that my blue blockers are put on before...
It's just the guy in the middle - Ruins everything.
is over complicating things yeah and what you've got what you found is a bunch of people that are on the left and here's the thing that people don't get about the midwit mean this is we refined this over a million dinners every guy in the middle is a guy in the left trying to be the guy on the right that's for sure you can't be the guy on the right it's impossible to be the guy the only thing you can be is the guy on the left and some people just don't know they're the guy on the left some people are aware precisely correct precisely correct yeah yes so there's some people who are naturally gifted
with that now they've got some challenges too that maybe they're going to get hit by things that they didn't quite see yeah you know rolling the dice and having these sorts of stories where like the miraculous recovery because of this guy's it's like uh it's like inability to realize how ridiculous his goals are because he's not trying to be the guy in the right and ending up being the guy in the middle he's like i'm gonna beat this thing yeah uh but yeah you can't be the guy in the right you can only be the guy in the left so what you're trying to cultivate it's like cultivated stupidity is the best
you can hope for if you don't if you're not gifted with it if you're not gifted with like ah you got the natural stupidity congratulations yeah because if you didn't have that it's like you just need to be okay i'm gonna default to being the simple thing you're not trying to be the over complex thing which ends up being the simple thing anyway but what you end up doing is just being stuck in the middle you don't want to be the loud dumb guy just be dumb and quiet basically like the nothing nothing worse than like the most ignorant people are always like yelling about it and you're just like man you
just don't you don't want to have to be like that do you ever think because another belker thing somebody i forgot who brought this to my attention was the idea that you know there's a the average iq is like 100 and then you think of like people with developmental issues who are you you know, let's say technically under 70, right?
It's like, and you kind of go, oh, yeah, average is it.
But then you go like, do you realize how many people are 90, 80, 75?
Like, it's not a couple.
It's millions and millions.
For that to be the average, like you're surrounded by a lot of noise from people that are barely putting sentences together, other you know and you can you if you stop and have enough conversations you'll figure it out like there's a lot of nonsense that you should ignore and they have a voice too and the best thing you can do is tune them out like seriously there's like yeah i mean you might not be on the far other side of that equation where you're you're not 140 or something but if you're even and just lucky enough to be blessed with the average or slightly around there there's a lot of people
you should not be listening to there's a really interesting stat that guys in high school who have got iqs of 70 are more likely to not be virgins than guys in high school who've got iqs of 130 well like stupid people only know how to fuck that is kind of a thing right i mean i've been to those countries and they're underdeveloped and that's what their whole currency is they're just like i fuck so it's not crazy to me to they yeah they have their own showering system there's a lot of sand but dumb people if you ask a lot of chicks like who is the best fuck of your life they're gonna be like it
was a dumb guy that guy was a machine didn't know if it complicated he He did.
Yeah. He just got in there and knew what to do.
And like, that's his, if you're dumb, I mean, that might be like the thing you're best at, you know?
Cause it feels good.
It's like, it's this dumb equation.
You're like touch this.
It feels good. They, that makes sense to them.
I feel like they're not, they're not introspective.
They're not going to have, well, they don't get in their own head about it.
Right. They're not, they're not the urologist reading his sheets.
No, just in the moment.
They're just in the moment.
And they just The guy on the left is the best fuck in the world.
Who knew? He definitely is.
Yeah. It's definitely not the guy on the far right.
No. No. Well, yeah, I don't know.
The idea of trying to be a little bit more simplistic.
Another perfect example of this, in Atomic Habits by James Clear, he talks, I think it's like the head of the Chinese weightlifting team.
And they're super advanced.
They're getting these kids from like five years old, right?
It's a religion, weightlifting in China.
and he asked what is the difference between the guys who are world champions and the rest of the elite and he said the guys that are world champions are prepared to come in and do the boring things without complaining and realizing that it's not supposed to be there it's like oh okay so if you have this cultivated stupidity where you can say look this is gonna suck and I shouldn't rail against the fact that it sucks Matt Fraser who won win the CrossFit Games five, six times in a row.
He did an engineering degree, and there's a story in Chasing Excellence by Ben Bergeron where he says, he would rote memorize his entire engineering textbook page for page.
And if he got one word wrong, he'd go back to the start and do it again.
So this guy, basically, very, very smart, very, very driven.
But then he had to have this cultivated stupidity thing.
If you're going to go and do monostructural work on a rowing machine or a ski erg or a air runner or whatever you need to go and go this is going to be 90 minutes at 140 bpm it's the zone 2e bore it's the most boring thing it's not even going to give me the satisfaction of feeling like i've worked yeah yeah like i've got to just sit but i know i'm in i know that it's going to help my steady state kind of uh you know conditioning improve go slow slow to go fast and so like it's kind of back to the thing though that like those elite athletes are either so smart that they know to be the guy in the left
yeah or they are the guy in the left who just goes show up and do it that's it it feels good the fucking midwit meme is undefeated but i mean that's why i have a i i find it interesting when sports stars get criticized for boring or basic post -match interviews i do too i feel like it is uh it what did you expect yeah and also we didn't he didn't sign up to be a great interview you know he or she like they that that's not part of that you're making that you're putting that on them that they have to be fantastic and charismatic you're using your own barometer for what you consider to be successful
as a non -elite athlete yeah this person is just fucking hitting forehands and backhands that's what they're supposed to be be good at left weights hit bowl that's it i'm like they they did it well so like whatever comes after that is like you know you're projecting onto the oh i can't believe that they said this or they had an attitude why like or that they didn't give like an eloquent answer like this supposed to be a philosopher it's like it's a fucking neanderthal half the time for every for every tom brady or aaron rogers there's like 200 guys on the left like someone that's i've thought really
deeply about this i understand exactly what it means to me etc etc tell you one sport that actually feels like that's not the case where everybody is the guy on the right formula one i don't see many people many of the drivers in formula one dean is anybody in formula one it's dean here anyone in formula one the guy on the left is there any like neanderthal super simple like drive car fast go sideways people people danny ricardo maybe but he's more like the party guy on the left he's like the guy on the left but in a party hat uh but you know what i mean if you like danny is though he's a pretty
nuanced thinker like he has this he has this persona of like because he is like but then you sit with him and you talk and you realize yeah these these guys are all oh fuck you went to that that's why you met zach at that party right when you had some f1 party was that not something to do with danny ricardo last was it last year yeah yeah yeah i'd met danny uh at in australia at his place i went to his and then when he had his part that's right zach was at that thing here yeah and everyone accused him of being uh pedro pascal from wish that's right on instagram i mean it looked a lot like fucking
pedro pascal he still does it's not a bad thing man he's got a good thing going on um i thought the new hair was for a new part i was like what are you what are you in yep um no but you're right those guys are they're pretty bright they're pretty bright guys um maybe there's some correlation between high performance driving and you can't be a box of rocks to i just there's certain things that are so technical yeah i would imagine for instance golf i don't know golf but i would imagine that it's probably pretty difficult to be a golfer and also be the guy on the left because a high level one yeah
yeah because and most of the time well i guess there's other factors most of the time when you see these most pga people had a certain upbringing they're usually well educated you know that sport is usually associated with a certain socioeconomic level i mean it obviously is people who have started elsewhere but for the most part you find it in well -to -do you know environments and people who have a certain level of education but you're right there's there's not a lot of i don't know like back none i've thought this i've thought this through really carefully yeah yeah well that's the difference
if you were to go i'm gonna again i'm going to nascar a kota in a couple of weeks time so please don't take this the wrong way i don't imagine that the nascar drivers have quite the same mentality that the formula one drivers do i imagine that you could get some more guys on the left in nascar despite the fact that it's probably a very similar sort of sport yes that's 100 true for sure yeah i mean there's yeah the formula one guys for the most part are more sophisticated yeah but also i mean there's definitely some really bright people who've done the nascar and then there's some people who just
go like foot down turn down just hold on baby yeah yeah yeah that's definitely Definitely true.
And then like, I think you find more guys on the left if you're talking about violent sports too, right?
I mean, no one's going to Nate Diaz for like his sort of deep philosophical insights about stuff, but holy fuck, he's going to annihilate you.
And there's that, you know, I've heard these stories about his and his brothers, like they do triathlons and sort of this endurance racing thing, their ability to put their head down.
no, I don't like, that's one that I, you know, you always, you're drawn to do things that you naturally have some skill at, right.
Or it feels good to do.
And then we, you naturally, you reject things where you're like, Oh, this doesn't, I don't, I'm not good at this.
And I don't like this.
Like with sport, right?
Like you just always are like doing the things you have some skill at.
And you're like, I don't like this other thing.
These fucking ultra marathon people, people like part of I realize is that like it's just not in me and I don't even understand this mental aspect I've talked to a few I was like I don't understand how you're doing this 150 mile horrible idea like how but like that just speaks to like it's again I feel like you want to be be the guy on the left for that you don't want to have as much awareness there's certain sports where it's it's a real competitive advantage there's this kid called ned brockman out of australia so i had when i did my tour over there i had him on the show he ran a thousand kilometers
or a thousand miles around a track uh and it took him just over a week and he like his shins were were just torn apart and he's got shaved on top like the classic aussie like real aussie mullet not one of these trendy wanky austin things you know where there's like a bit of hair up top to make it balanced yeah it's like like theovon's theovon basically and he he did that he ran across australia he tried to break the record for running across australia and you speak to him in particular and you're like i was trying to find the goggins ancestral trauma trauma void.
Yeah. Inside of him.
Sure. Like, oh, you're just, you're just doing this because you like the thrill of it.
Like you're just doing this because run far, feel good.
And, uh, yeah, it's, it's, I wonder, I wonder how people can kind of get out of their own head.
So a lot of the different things that we've touched on to do with the, the self loathing, the criticism, that internal voice, all of those things are putting limits on your self -belief and your capacity capacity and making you think well maybe maybe you can't do that maybe you shouldn't do that or maybe in the pursuit of even doing that you should hate yourself a little bit more and i'm like okay how can we i want to work out how to cultivate or how people that are uh intrinsic overthinkers can create a little bit more cultivated stupidity i think that would be like i don't know hit everyone on the head
fucking microdose of mushrooms smoke weed on the more i don't know no we all i mean i I think we all have this thing where we can overthink.
You can make, like, I remember talking to somebody about it.
Like, for instance, production.
When you go, I'm going to shoot something, you can always find reasons to not do the thing.
Well, this is just going to be, I mean, it's going to be a night shoot or it's going to cost this, or I don't know if we're going to get the right sound person.
And I don't, the makeup is not going to, like you can just find reasons to not do things.
things. I guess it goes back for me to just, if, whether you're under thinking, overthinking, just take action in any, you know what I mean?
So like overthinking that production thing is something that happens to so many people.
Like I'm using the example of production, but this just happens for like whatever thing they want to do.
Career change. Yeah.
Career change or like even something pleasurable.
Yeah. Talk to the girl, go on a trip that we're going going to go skiing and then you're like, ah, you know, I don't know if I have the goggles and I have to go get them.
Like, dude, like we, we talk ourselves out of a lot of things, whether it's like production pleasure.
Um, it's just, it's honestly, all these things are just like, it's life.
It's like, it's, it's being in the game.
Like people, you want to be in the game, right.
Whether it's like in work or in, in your own love life or whatever, you don't want to be on the side you don't want to be not to like pile on but you don't want to be one of the lonely people and those people there's a lot of reasons where someone could end up in that situation but one of them is definitely they're talking themselves out of things talking themselves out of engaging yeah that's so interesting well there's a vicious spiral you know you sort of touched on it earlier on that when you've got good habits they feed you good habits and then Then you believe in yourself more, but the same
thing happens in reverse.
And it's such an, I understand why people on the internet rail against anybody that appears to have had runaway success because they go, if you're not that, if you're using the same dynamic, but in reverse, which is you've got runaway failure, that fucking sucks.
And I've been there.
I've been in the, I, I just continue, I reliably face plant every single thing that I try to do from the smallest to the biggest. And I need to use the, I don't know how to do it, but I need to like rip this 10 ton gorilla off the floor attached to a barber.
I need to like find a way to reverse this momentum.
And then when you're on the other side of it, you almost have this sense of like survivor guilt, like retrospectively, like, oh, holy fuck.
This is, this is me feeling the wind that that was the loss of.
Yeah. And, um, I had this conversation, this guy, uh, William Von Hippel, fascinating anthropologist, evolutionary psychologist yesterday.
he was telling me about how two fundamental needs that humans have one is autonomy and the other one is connection and the thing is if you've got a hierarchy everybody needs connection and his belief is fundamentally that's what everybody's after they want to be warm they want to be friendly they want to be valued weird thing is in order to be valued autonomy allows you to build up some of that some of the capacities so you need to be selfish you need to go if you're good at comedy, there is a degree of connection you've had to sacrifice to do that because you don't do comedy in union with your
wife or in union with your friends or whatever.
You have to spend a lot of time.
If you're Steph Curry and you shoot 3 ,500 three -pointers in training, I know that you've had to sacrifice some connection in order to be able to build up that autonomy, right?
And the autonomy then creates this capability.
People value the capability thing, but what they really, really want is the connection.
So there's this fascinating bit of research that shows that people who are more competent are seen as colder, regardless of how friendly they are.
And people who are more incompetent seem as more warm and friendly, regardless of how warm and friendly they are.
And there's this sense that, huh, I sort of infer from someone's capabilities on whether or not they're smart or successful or whatever.
Hey, you're not very pro -social, because if you're you're rich or you've achieved status or you've, you've done a thing, you've, you've lost all of this weight, Adele, like you've lost all of this weight.
You were, there's this bit in the back of our mind that kind of knows, like you were selfish for a while.
Like you had to work on you.
You had to be selfish for a while.
Whereas you don't have the same in the opposite direction.
I thought that was so interesting, this sort of tension between competence and warmth and the fact that we see them as opposed to each other.
Competent people are seen as cold and incompetent people are seen as long that is and as you said it i was just nodding along because it feels like one of those things where you realize it's kind of automatic like it's it's it's like you know the the test where they say that um then they use every like psychology 101 department does this where they have the person carry the books and they drop them in front of and and they have an attractive person do it everyone's like hey there you go like it's just it's automatic it's in your brain And then people are colder, or I would say more inviting and warm
and wanting to be helpful to it, not to attract to people.
That's another thing that's just like automatic.
Like if you're in a, somebody's like lost and you just go, yeah, but like the competency is really interesting because I've never actually heard. It's one of those things where it's like in standup when somebody articulates a thing that's always been there and you go like, no one's ever fucking said it.
it but it's interesting that we have we do have yeah like you feel naturally warmer to somebody somebody can't figure something out you i guess that's kind of like a in a way that's a good thing where you go um let me embrace this like help you want you want to help the person who is seemingly incompetent at least to a degree right yeah yeah something well sometimes but then Then there's a point of frustration with that.
God damn it. But the more interesting thing is the other side of it.
The fact that you would have a perception that a highly competent person is just cold.
Yeah. Well, the other, you know, Trump's kind of maybe an interesting example around it.
You could argue about his level of competence, but he's not stupid.
it um and i i wonder whether a little bit of it is if somebody is really competent there's this sense in the back of your mind where you go are they really being themselves is this them or is this some sort of subterfuge act thing that they're putting me on right now yeah secret squirrel society me and and fugazi me whereas there's i mean i you know i look at um a bunch bunch of different people whether it's in sport whether it's in entertainment the sort of simple lovable oaf type character yeah there is this sense of warmth to them because you go hey he might make some errors but he owns those
errors and they're from the heart the errors that are kind of like a natural outgrowth they're not manipulative they're not being done for some particular reason which speaks to fear though right because what the thing is is you're less scared of that oath.
You're more scared of the very intelligent person.
It's always been this way.
Somebody who's highly intelligent, part of your brain just goes, what's this person capable of doing to me?
That's really at the root of what you're feeling.
You're feeling that this highly intelligent person is either going to pull something over on you.
They're going to get you to do something you didn't want to do.
And then use this information against me.
Yeah. What should I tell them?
That's exactly what your brain's doing is it's protecting itself.
The oaf, the lovable oaf, you don't have to worry about that.
Your guard goes down completely.
You go, this is like a puppy.
There's nothing going on behind this person's eyes that I can't pick up on.
This person just wants to...
Whatever they say is what they want.
And so the thing is that we're just kind of protecting ourselves with the highly competent person.
Well, you know, I guess one of the interesting areas of this is lots of people that listen to podcasts of the endemic overthinkers.
They're the people that are trying to learn more about the world and they're spending time doing that.
Even now, as it seems like the podcast election and every, it's like, I think only about 50 % of Americans listen to a podcast once a month.
and then you've got the power users that listen to the multiple hours per day but you think okay so you're probably listening to podcasts i do you do i do yeah yeah uh it's changed my listening habits have changed a lot since doing the show um and i think in order to kind of be fresh there's an amount of exposure that you need to limit yourself to yeah or else you end up being too heavily influenced i imagine that watching other comics is probably like this as well yeah you you You really just want to like, I mean, the thing is I get so much anxiety watching, uh, this sounds like bad, but like
just watching somebody not, I only want to watch really good comics in person.
So like if somebody is really good, I want to watch that.
If they're not, I don't want to watch. Why?
totally it's just i i think you you're feeling you know all those things the feelings of trying to figure it out and the insecurities and like and also there's tired bits and like there's you know like you're watching a seven -year guy you're like this is like the best version of this is not great anyway so you don't want to it's a seven -year guy Like a guy who's been doing it just like he's still in like this development phase.
And so you just go like it just makes me I just don't want to be around it.
I want to watch like high level people.
I want to watch because it's it's really good.
It is inspiring. It makes you go like, fuck, like, shit, I need to I need to write like those are the people I want to watch, which I mean, that's my own thing.
Right. But I also know a lot of people like that.
I can't stand in the back of the room and just watch person after person go up who's fledgling and trying to figure it out.
That's kill Tony. That is what kill Tony is.
Kill Tony is, well, yeah.
But you've got a release valve.
The difference with that is you've got a pressure release valve.
True. So I wonder, the only totally bro -sign thing that's pulling it out of my ass, this has has to be the same i would guess if you to what if you're a musician watching a musician not perform particularly well on stage i continually miss notes and do other bits in fact i know that this is the case i know that this is the case firsthand from being in jamaica recently uh i wonder whether there's a bit of it where you're starting to tune your own nervous system to like the this sensation that you're working really really really hard to avoid you're watching this person do the thing that you do
and going i'm feeling i've got this ptsd yeah it is there's there's definitely ptsd part of this is bringing it back into me i've worked really hard to get rid of that i don't want that in my world exactly no that that's definitely happening it's definitely happening you you it's triggering hundreds and thousands of like bad memories bad memories yeah and you just they're like and you like you can just see like you you see all of a sudden you movements of like, Oh, I see that discomfort.
I see where this is going.
I know what this taught, like, uh, this is just, I, I, this is bad.
I want to leave. So I want to leave, literally leave the room.
And then if you tell me like, somebody who's on stage who you go, this person's really good.
I, yeah, I want to watch that.
That feels good. It actually relaxes me.
I feel, I feel well, it could go.
Yes. Yeah. It relaxes me.
I wonder what the, I wonder what the sort of common lesson is there or what the sort of rule is there to try and spend time watching people but you're but you're right on kill tony though in that um you know in those people are doing like a minute and that anxiety in me can build high in that minute i mean i've sat up there where i'm like and then you just fucking waiting for that cat to meow and you're like oh thank god like just yeah it's it's there's a very uncomfortable feeling people we don't all react to it the same way i think though but for a comedian who's done it yeah you start to feel
what they're feeling yeah it's such an emotional area yeah i i really do think that the that cultivated stupidity thing and trying to trying to simplify down trying to not to not not hold yourself to too high standards but just realize that the outcome that you're trying to achieve only really depends on the actions that you're going to take and all of this fuckery that you've got going in all of the stories that you tell yourself all of the ruminate all of the fear of fear of the conversation all of the concern about whether should i be assertive but that's what they're going to say so i had
this really lovely question on a q a last week that said um i know that i deserve more but i'm really terrified to ask i didn't specify what the situation was maybe something at work maybe something in a relationship maybe something with family or whatever um like i know that i deserve more but i'm really scared of asking for it it's like what an odd but totally relatable relatable thing situation to be in it's like i know that this is something that i'm allowed that i can have that i should have and they probably know too and i'm still i'm in my head about all of this the same thing goes for your
pursuits your professional life your personal life all of that stuff yeah it's it's a extremely universal question right and i mean my immediate thought is like i i can't help but think about like actually in entertainment like in what and what i do is that you come into it feeling like that you're like i want these things and then you have representation but you view representation as like mom and dad which is not how you're supposed to do it how so because you're young and you go like can i is it okay would you approve of me do you think i can and then it cultivates these this relationship a lot
of young actors and comedians have this like kind of twisted relationship with their first reps right which is why a lot of times you people hit the next phase in their life and they change if they can because they need they need a relationship that's more equal as opposed to like this weird power yeah that's not supposed to really be there because it's like with the woman you go like but i want but i don't feel like i should say to that person it's like there's certain people you just feel like you can't say the thing too which is fine i think that's a normal thing you need to then switch the person that you're
talking to that you can speak like that too and that's what happens a lot in our field i would say like that people want to ask for things and they're scared to it's like well then you need to change who you're asking you know i mean obviously you need to get to the point where you feel like you can ask for these things but sometimes you just don't feel feel like you can say certain things to certain people what have you learned about human psychology through this recent obsession with true crime mine recent i mean 40 years vestigial long time yeah um i mean i just feel like crime and you know
behaviors um of criminals is a i don't understand how somebody is not fascinated by how other human beings can act i think there's something about crime in it in and of itself that is so accessible that that's part of in other words you can go into the bank and rob it you've gone in there before but you you you you i'm fascinated by the fact that somebody somebody does that, right?
Like I was just there.
I'm in line. I see what they're seeing, but like the fact that they do that is everyone's felt rage.
Everyone's like, I could kill this fucking whatever.
Driver on the road.
Yeah. Salesperson, driver or whatever.
And, but you just don't.
And then to, you know, the rage thing, I guess everybody understands how you could trip over rage.
But then when you realize that some people are calculated and they, they are getting their thrill out of doing that um it's just a fascinating aspect of i think the human experience that there's somebody that's same the reason i have fascination with dictators and how they can you know you you see certain um similarities between people that commit violent crimes and certain people that are uh super highly malignant narcissists that run a country.
But yeah, it's just like a study.
For me, it's like the study in how somebody becomes that is what's fascinating.
So like you do see parallels sometimes and then sometimes you don't.
And so in other words, like there's neglect, there's abuse, there's trauma, and a lot of people that commit horrible acts of violence, but sometimes there isn't.
And And, um, I mean, I guess for me, I don't know.
It's like, I have always had that curiosity about those stories because I like the story.
I like learning about what somebody did.
And I really love learning about how somebody gets caught.
I mean, those, those are like, you know, there's a whole genre of, uh, books and films just about this, these topics, obviously.
And, um, like this reminds me of my wife's like, I can't believe you're watching this.
I'm like, you think they made this for me?
Like, you think there's one guy watching this?
This is a fucking number one show right now.
Like, like these are, these are fascinating stories, but I think the reason they're fascinating is because it's right there.
Like, you know what I mean?
Like you're here and you're like, there's someone who's just like dialed two degrees this way and they're doing this.
So much of them are so similar and the behavior is so different.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. And then, I mean, like, yes.
I mean, some of it is that you, I think when you hear some of these stories, you feel fear or you feel a rush.
Or, you know, sometimes, I mean, look, there's even stories that repel you.
Like, there's a variety of them.
Like, there's stories that I don't even, like, start learning about.
I don't want to learn any more about this.
It just depends on the actual story.
But yeah, I do. I can, I can deeply house a true crime story.
Yeah. I like, I, I like documentaries.
I like the, the, the limited series on all these things.
I watch a lot of them.
Yeah. I had a Marissa Harrison on, she's the world expert in female serial killers.
She said in your book out called, uh, just as deadly.
And, um, probably one in six serial killers are women but because of the ways that they kill it's way less newsworthy so a lot of this are nurses looking after babies and infants carers looking after old people or disabled people people that have got mental disorders stuff like that um some of them are what they're called angel of death mercy mercy killing type things but they feel like that's gonna skew because if if you keep doing it over and over, it's actually for the thrill.
The methods are totally different as well.
That a lot of the time it's poison.
It's sort of surreptitious ways.
It's not like, and that makes it way less newsworthy as well.
If there's like an ax and a load of blood everywhere, that's a pretty big story.
Oh my God. Yeah. You know, another infant dies in a ventilator or something.
It's like, yeah, we don't really do know.
But yeah, I know exactly what you mean.
This sense that this person's really similar to me and yet their outcomes in life have been really different to me and the way that they behave has been so different to me why what is it about that why and how how how does it get here like what's the story and then how how did they move from this to that i mean it's like why like you know people always talk about like these the worst dictators as like monsters and And then you just kind of get used to that term, but you're like, yeah, but they're not.
You know what I mean?
Like, sure, their acts or what they did was horrible.
You just remember that this, no, it's just like another dude.
Like he's just a guy and he was capable of this.
And that's, I want to get like to the real story of how this person.
Yeah. There's a great example that Sam Harris uses about Udayi Hussein, Saddam Hussein's son.
Uh -huh. Goes on to be pretty bad guy.
oh yeah kind of a knucklehead um but you say okay so imagine that you're three -year -old uday hussein and you're maybe squashing bugs in the backyard but you've grown up in this sort of crazy honor culture you've got the genetics of a literal fucking war criminal you've got this sort of very odd reinforcement mechanism because everybody's bowing down to you and your family and no one's telling you that you can't you can't do anything and you're watching your dad and do all of these things and maybe there's a i don't know harem or whatever the the fuck you go okay now you're seven years old and you're
bullying the kids in the schoolyard now you're 15 years old you got like at what point does that person kind of become the architect of themselves you go well i don't really know but it's an interesting question to think like from the very moment from before the moment you were born from the moment that you were conceived your behavior was being shaped in this way and then this interaction between the raw materials that you were made of and the environment that you were put in especially given that the environment you're put in is usually the same one that created the material.
So there's this sort of two -times multiplier effect thing going on because you've got the aggressive genes and you're raised in an aggressive household, which means, oh, that's the way that I deal with my anger or whatever it might be.
I've got the suppress the emotions down gene and I saw my dad always suppress the emotions down so I thought I never need to assert myself.
You're going to do it.
I mean, he and his brother Uday and forget his brother's name, But, you know, they would like, they would pull people out of traffic.
Like if you, if you like honked at them, Baghdad, they would just rip you out of the car, fucking either kill you or just beat you, throw you in a trunk.
They ran around that place like it was all theirs because it was.
They would fuck people up, did whatever they want.
So, yeah, if you're born into that environment and you have, like, anything you want to do is signed off on, like, there is no accountability.
It's not going to create this loving spirit.
You know what I mean?
What did you expect him to?
Yeah, it's going to bring out the worst in you.
Yeah, those guys, I don't think they ever had really a chance with being born into that place.
In there with their father being who he was, there was never a chance those guys were going to be good chill dudes.
Who have you been fascinated by mostly in true crime recently?
Let's see, what did I most recently watch?
I mean, I'm listening to the Real Dictators podcast and I'm learning about Varela right now, one of the Argentine dictators or generals that became a dictator.
And then I've been watching, I mean, I watched a bunch of the series.
The thing that was fascinating to me about the, I was saying this to, I had Susan Hendricks on the CNN crime reporter is we were discussing how when you watch the documentaries now about famous cases that you grew up with, part of your brain goes, yeah, I already know that story.
And then you watch these and you're like, oh, I don't remember a, any of this or B, I didn't even had any idea about any of these details.
Nothing. Like I remember when I watched the Lacey Peterson, the Scott Peterson one, I, I just had like, I was like, oh yeah.
I mean, I remember like vaguely this detail or like the Menendez brothers.
I was like, yeah, yeah, they shot their parents.
I didn't have any recollection about the love, like the abuse that they went allegedly through at the hands of their father.
I had no recollection about that.
I really didn't know the fact that like their father was so loathed by everybody he had ever interacted with that they couldn't even provide a character witness at the trial for him to speak on his his behalf on a guy that was murdered who had you know seemingly relationships with people he had worked with and in his person not one person would be like yeah this was a good guy like details like that that really start to shape the story in your mind a little differently um i had forgotten i could not believe because they had the interrogation footage of scott peterson just how crazy crazy cold
that guy was and how casual he was like yeah this is like the the day they pull him in and she's missing he's like i don't know i went fishing and like came back the dog was barking and i hope you find her and you're like that's you're like wow because it's what's interesting to me in that story is that the person is sure cold enough and calculated enough to do this but they're so removed from how they should be behaving in that situation you're like oh you can't even like he couldn't even either lack the awareness or couldn't even pretend to be somebody well i always think about that i mean everybody
has imagined how am i going to behave what am i going to do yeah and your nervous system is just on fucking fire yeah like it's just just i would love i mean this would obviously never happen but i would love for uh huberman or someone to get in and tap that cortisol and their adrenaline you see like what is going on under the hood because that would yeah everything all you're hearing is just it's ringing in your ears you've had the same thoughts over and over and over again you're watching you're watching the interrogator seeing what they're saying thinking what should i say here you're four
steps removed from being in the room yeah you know you're thinking about how you should act based on what you know that the interrogator thinks about what you should be doing if you were the person that did that.
There's too many hoops you're going through.
So it's, but this is the other thing where, you know, the Madeleine McCann case?
Yeah. Yeah, so missing girl, three -year -old girl, I think from Portugal in the 90s, British girl who was there on holiday.
And one of the criticisms that her parents had, one of the criticisms lodged against her parents was that on the press tour, they didn't seem like they were behaving like grieving parents were.
And you go, so I get that.
and in some situations that might be an inclinin indication of guilt but also what does a grieving parent that's faced with an entire press corps right behave what what is normal it's the same jean benet criticism and it it really made me think about did you watch american nightmare no so this is one of the most is that the one next door no that was that was murder next door i saw that yeah that's a different one yep um or into the fire that one's fucking fucking that's really crazy but american nightmare the most fascinating aspect of the story to me which i don't know how to tell it without
like giving too much but like the most fascinating aspect is that on episode one this guy tells in he's telling you that as the interviewer but any they go to the interrogation footage he's telling the police of what just happened which is that he He was with his girlfriend and somebody came in and tied them up, gave them like something to drink.
I have seen this. I have. Yes, yes, yes, yes.
And kidnap her. Right.
And you're watching this and you're like, this guy is full of shit.
Like something is off.
He is not speaking to the police in the way that he should.
That he should. His emotions are not reading the way that I know they should.
The second episode begins and they're talking to the woman and you're seeing her in the interrogation and you're still like, yeah, this is not, this is not.
And then when you get through the story, you're like, oh, they were both telling the truth.
and I'm sorry I just ruined it for everybody but that was like the real that was the thing that threw me the most was like, no, I know how you're supposed to behave in a truthful way and this is not that so this is not truthful and then you're like, wait a minute, this was truthful and that to me was like I still couldn't get over it the way that he was talking about what had just happened I understood actually why the police were like it's you dude Yeah.
What the fuck? And the same thing with the girl.
They're like, well, she's full of shit.
This is not it's like the party.
And they seem like they're seemingly normal, like they're nice people.
At least they can come across this way when you see them like in the moment now telling the story.
But you're like, the fuck was going on?
And maybe is what's going on is what you were saying is that their systems were so far in the head.
so there's this really interesting idea called the keynesian beauty contest so in a keynesian beauty contest you're not asked to pick which is the most beautiful model to imagine a beauty contest you're not asked to pick out of 10 which you think is the most beautiful you're asked to pick which you think the other judges will pick as the most beautiful model oh yeah so rather than choosing your own opinion you're trying to outsource this sort of fake consensus using theory of mind to all of the other people that are in the room and i always think about that that Keynesian beauty contest thing
in situations like this because there will be a sense in the back of these people's minds, except for the person that's so stricken and sort of taken by their emotions that all of that second, third, fourth order processing is just like fucked off out of the room.
But there will be people that are like, I bet they think it's me.
How can I make sure that they don't think it's me?
God, I'm so sad that this thing happened.
I'm so traumatized from this thing.
They think it's me.
It's like, just bouncing around.
You go, okay, what's the how do you get yourself you're trying to be the normal that both guilty and innocent yeah i'm trying to be the version of me that i think they would want to see right if i wasn't guilty and by doing that i'm getting in the way of being the unencumbered version it's the same as watching the um stand -up person on stage it's like i'm trying to be a stand -up comic that isn't nervous and isn't bumbling through his lines exactly therefore i am so i don't want to watch yeah yeah you're right you go i just whatever that person is doing is not why i want to watch the person who feels
control and and is like you know confident whatever like the i want ease yeah at ease i want to see that and it's true what's funny is that like you with the like the scott peterson example you automatically go right but this person jumping through hoops because they're lying and they want you to not know that they're lying with the other one what's so interesting is Is that he's telling the truth, but he's probably like, I hope you believe that I'm telling the truth.
Because I am telling the truth and I don't know how to...
Because what you do is you think about times where you realize someone has thought, are you telling the truth?
And you're trying to convey, no, I am.
I'm telling you what really happened.
And you can see doubt in their face.
Like you can see that...
So you lean into this weird...
There's a fascinating insight around guilt.
So this fucking broke my brain when I realized this.
Our level of guilt is directly proportional to the likelihood that we think that we're going to get caught.
court. So if you've ever noticed that you do a small indiscretion that you know that no one will find out about, you're way less guilty about it than if you do a larger indiscretion that you think you're going to get caught for.
So it's like an early warning system that like, maybe you should behave in a slightly different way, or maybe you should own up to this before you get found out.
But if you're like, no one's around, it's late at night, you toss a Coke can out of the window.
It's like, I don't feel that guilty.
You toss a Coke can in front of a family that's walking past and it's the the stroll is about to roll over the top of it you're like holy fuck like they know that the it's gonna sit with you yeah yeah so guilt being a in proximity to your likelihood of being caught it's this early warning signal i always think about that is that like a scientifically studied thing it's a a posited theory i mean you could observe it but evolutionary psychology suggests that this would be one of the mechanisms by which it makes It makes a lot of sense.
I mean, we just see it in ourselves, right?
You can observe it within yourself.
It doesn't necessarily need to be a law.
It's just something that you can notice.
But yeah, I always think about going back to times when I felt really, really guilty.
I'm like, yeah, I was pretty sure that someone was going to find out about the thing that I did.
That makes so much sense.
But people who commit some of these heinous crimes, they're not going to feel guilt one way or the other.
But it's interesting that maybe somebody who doesn't have that personality disorder, that guilt shows itself if they start to feel the likelihood that they're going to get caught.
Well, think about what we were saying earlier on, that the lovable oaf type thing feels less threatening to us.
In a way, I wonder whether the person who makes killings out of rage feels less threatening to us than the cold calculated killer.
It should. should detached from it because you go okay well if they're not in rage if i don't enrage them i'm sweet also we all we all can relate we've all been right we've all been enraged so that's a big factor there is very few of us relatable have been dexter yeah with the scalpel and you know yeah if when somebody when you hear about somebody who emotionally has zero emotion about going in and and tying up and cutting somebody open that's not you're not like yeah i've been in there man like it's it's a totally different thing so that that person i think is definitely the more terrifying one
fuck yeah what have you got coming up next what can people expect from you um well i'm on tour so i've been um i've been on tour and it will continue through the rest of this year um i have a a series that i don't know if i might can even announce it yet i can sort of yeah loosely it's coming in the spring something will happen over the next few months you'll see something in the spring i'll i'll shoot something else later this year and i'll tell you about it later are you part of the cia now are you part of trump's cabinet you know what's so funny is like they always have these like don't say
a thing and then you're like okay and then when you do you're like nobody fucking cares dude like yeah but yeah stuff is coming soon stuff is coming soon and more stuff will come later and i also have a few other stuffs that i'll do later in the year dude what a sign off it's awesome to meet you i'm looking forward to bringing you back on thanks so much thanks for having me man appreciate you when i first started doing personal growth i really wanted to read the best books the most impactful ones the most entertaining ones the ones that were the easiest to read and the most dense and interesting,
but there wasn't a list of them.
So I scoured and scoured and scoured and then gave up and just started reading on my own.
And then I made a list of 100 of the best books that I've ever found.
And you can get that for free right now.
So if you want to spend more time around great books that aren't going to completely kill your memory and your attention, just trying to get through a single page, go to chriswillx .com slash books to get my list completely free of 100 books you should read before you die.
That's crazy.
