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I'm Eric Glass. Here at our radio show, we were talking about romantic comedies and how they don't get a lot of respect.
I think it's maybe because of the bad ones.
Every part of them just feels too obvious.
The couple meets, but they hate each other at first. They go through some things that make them learn some important lesson about themselves.
You know from the very beginning they're gonna end up together and then no surprise they do.
When it's not done well, it's all too obvious and tired and you can feel the gears working in the thing.
One of the producers on our show, Neil, He wholeheartedly really loves romantic comedies has favored cities watched over and over dozens of times He once collaborated with the producer of Sleepless in Seattle and a rom -com script that never got made he's all kinds of thoughts about them and He realized this thing about rom -coms and what's so satisfying about the good ones.
I really think is true I used to say that it was just watching Just like close -ups of two beautiful people being funny and clever and witty to each other ...being their sort of best selves, or sometimes worse selves, but then, eventually, their best selves.
And that was kind of enough for me.
Now, why shut me out?
You know what happens to people who shut everybody out?
They lead quiet peaceful lives?
No, they fester. That's Meg Ryan and Kevin Carr with the fake French accent in the movie French Kiss.
Tester. I am festering.
Inside, Fester and Murat.
I've seen it happen.
you'll become one of those hunched back lonely old men sitting in the corner of a crowded cafe mumbling to yourself, my ass is twitching, your people make my ass twitch. If there's a simple thing that resonates for me, it's that in the best of these movies you get to see two people get along in a way that is bright.
It's just like nice to see that part of people.
Yeah, yeah. I think it's also, I think if you're projecting at all, it's the idea that you can like be that connected to someone or receive someone that well.
When you see it, you're like, oh yeah, that would be nice.
That's why I like the ones where people spend a lot of time together.
That's key for Neo.
In Neo's personal ranking of these films, which has the 2009 film, The Ugly Truth at the very, very bottom, the three rom -coms that sit at the very top, like the tousled hair above Hugh Grant's head, are French Kiss, Two Weeks Notice, which is a real -estate rom -com and his very favorite, lots of people's favorite, When Harry Met Sally.
And they're all at the top of the list for this very reason, because of how much time the couple spends together talking.
Take When Harry Met Sally.
The thing that I like about it is that at least you get a vision of what their relationship actually is because they spend 12 years together before they finally get together.
So you get to see real fights, you get to see their relationship grow you get to see their personalities clash and so they actually have a chance to fall in love by talking to each other as opposed to in romantic comedies now or like where there's a montage and music playing and then you're just supposed to come out of that thinking they're in love they actually spend time with each other like there's a sequence of scenes in when Harry Mansell where they're just getting along and they're just talking on the phone Hello.
You sleeping? No, I was watching Casablanca.
Channel, please? Eleven.
Thank you. Got it. Now, you're telling me you would be happy with Victor Laszlo than with Humphrey Bogart?
When did I say that?
When we drove to New York.
I never said that. I would never have said that.
All right, fine. Have it your way.
Have you been sleeping?
Why? Because I haven't been sleeping.
I think if I was dating someone who hated when Harry met Sally, I don't know that I could date them.
Like, I don't know that I could.
Like, if you're not interested in the relationship between Harry and Sally, I don't really understand what kind of person you are.
It's not to say you're a bad person, it just means I don't think I understand you.
OK. romantic comedies are contrived.
The people are way more clever and way better looking in real life.
The stories are full of things that would be ridiculous and sometimes maybe even on the stalker -y side, if they haven't any of us.
But this totally artificial form, when it works, reminds you of what it feels like to be unloved.
And of somebody who wants to listen to what you say, and who says things that you want to listen to.
And so, today, we're devoting our whole show to rom -coms. Today's episode, by the way, is a re -run.
We thought we were bringing it back today because, frankly, we all wanted a break from the news and the current events.
But it was a good time for an hour of fun.
And in each of our acts today, we found a story that reminds us of some aspect of a movie rom -com.
And yes, we did go on a search for stories of people running, sprinting down the street in real life in an urgent rush to tell someone that they love them.
Stay with us. It's This American Life Act One Meet Cute.
So the first thing a rom -com needs is for the couple to meet in an appealing way.
The meet -cute. The meet -cute is supposed to make you feel like no matter what happens these two people should be together.
There are so many ways to do this.
In The Wedding Planner, Matthew McConaughey saves Jennifer Lopez from a runaway dumpster that is rolling down the street.
In Pretty Woman, Richard Gere gets lost in a very fancy car.
And Julia Roberts gives him directions.
Bringing up Baby, Katharine Hepburn picks up Cary Grant's golf ball on a golf course.
Reality Bites, Winona Ryder throws her cigarette into Ben Stiller's car.
And Neal's favorite, When Harry Met Sally.
The thing about When Harry Met Sally has an extended meet -cute, which I like.
They take a road trip from Chicago to New York, and so they're kind of meeting for several hours.
And from the very beginning, it's contentious because Harry has all these theories about relationships that she finds, like, crazy and off -putting.
What I'm saying is, and this has not come on in any way, shape, or form, is that men and women can't be friends because the sex part always gets in the way.
That's not true. I have a number of men friends and there is no sex involved.
No you don't. Yes, I do.
Yes, I do. Only think you do.
You're saying I'm having sex with these men without my knowledge?
No. What I'm saying is they'll want to have sex with you.
They do not. Do too.
They do not. Do too.
I think it sets up the chemistry.
Like, it sets up that there's something about them that you want to root for.
Mecutes do happen in real life, but for this first story in today's show, we have a piece fiction.
A story where the meet -cute plays an important role in the story as a turning point for one of the characters.
The story is by Simon Rich. The actor Daniel Radcliffe read it for us.
I don't understand.
Professor Zonda Kaplan said while his girlfriend sobbed into a pillow.
I thought you liked tulips.
I do, she said. It's just you get them from me every year.
It's starting to get a little impersonal.
I mean, this time you didn't even include a card. Xander winced.
Her reasoning was sound.
I apologize, he said, I obviously made an error in judgement.
He tried to take her hand but she pulled it out of reach. D -Do you remember what I did for your birthday?
She said. I got you that new bunsen burner you wanted.
I -I knit you a pair of wool socks so your feet wouldn't get cold in the lab.
You never make that kind of effort for me.
All you do is think about yourself.
that's incorrect Xanda said what about emilady um it took me nine months to synthesize that element and I named it after you you were going to synthesize that element anyway emily said you needed it for your secret project that silver orb thing in your lab emilady um wasn't about me it was about you I mean for God's sake you won't even tell me what it does Zander sighed.
Is there anything I can do to make it up to you?
Emily blinked back some tears.
I don't know. I mean, it's not like you can just go back in time and get me a different present.
Zander's expression brightened.
Wait there, he said.
I'll be right back.
Zander hurried down the hall, crept into his laboratory and locked the door behind him.
His time machine was right where he had left it.
He climbed inside the silver orb and flicked on the power switch. His plan was simple.
Travel back in time to this morning, find a new gift for Emily and bring it to the present.
But there were a couple of risks.
There was a chance, for example, that using the machine would cause the universe to explode.
He'd never tested the thing out before.
There was also no guarantee that he would be able to find a good present.
He only had enough Amyladium to fuel five minutes of time -travel.
That didn't give him a lot of wiggle room.
Wherever he went, he would have to shop efficiently.
Xander was usually a pretty good problem solver.
He had, for example, invented a time machine.
But quantum physics and nuclear hydraulics were trivial compared to the rigors of gift shopping.
He massaged his temples, trying to remember if Emily had dropped any hints lately.
He vaguely recalled her staring at a vase in Crate and Barrel.
but that place was full of vases.
there was no way he'd be able to pick out the right one.
he was trying to remember the name of her favorite perfume when a thought entered his head.
maybe he was thinking too small.
his machine could transport him to any time and place in human history.
why go back a few hours when he could go back a few centuries?
he knew emily loved shakespeare.
she'd written her senior thesis on one of his tragedies.
Please, why not travel back to the Globe Theatre and swipe her an original script?
It wouldn't be too difficult, he reasoned.
All he'd have to do was dash backstage and grab one.
It would be the most impressive gift she'd ever received in her life!
But which tragedy had emily written her thesis about?
He knew it was one of the king ones, Richard the something, or Charles the something.
But there were a bunch of those.
What if he got it wrong?
It was too risky. There was always jewellery.
He knew the general construction dates for King Tut's tomb.
He could park in front of the pyramid, run inside, and snatch a jade stone.
He entered the coordinates and was about to push the lever when he started to second guess himself again.
Buying women's jewellery was always chancy.
Emily had very specific tastes.
And what if she didn't like jade?
It wasn't like he'd be able to go back and return it.
He thought back to the night they met.
He was finishing his PhD at the time, and his lab had closed early because of Easter.
He'd stuffed his papers into his briefcase and shuffled through the rain to the 116th Street station.
It was 4 .05am, and the platform was deserted except for Emily.
It had been several days since Anders' last conversation with a human, and when she started to speak to him he felt the stirrings of a panic attack.
But Emily's friendly smile managed somehow to put him at ease.
She was awfully cheerful, given her circumstances.
Her metro card had expired, she said, and the machines were broken.
She'd been stranded for over twenty minutes.
Would he be willing to sell her a ride?
Sander nodded and watched as she rooted around in her purse for some cash to pay him back.
It was a moment or two before it occurred to him that she had given him the chance to be gallant.
Oh, well, you don't have to reimburse me, he said.
I'll swipe you in for free.
She thanked him enthusiastically and then, shockingly, wrapped her arms around his torso.
Zander wasn't used to physical contact, and although the hug was brief, it caused his entire body to tingle from head to toe.
It was a startling sensation, like walking through an electrically charged field.
He still felt that way whenever she touched him.
Xander was an atheist, and believed fiercely in random causality.
But by the end of their shared subway ride, he was sure he'd experienced a miracle.
This wonderful person had shown up out of nowhere and given him a chance at love.
And in return, he'd given her three years of misery.
He thought about all of his Saturday nights at the lab, Ignoring her calls, making excuses.
He thought about the way she cried when he handed her the tulips.
How could he make up for three years of romantic ineptitude With a single birthday present?
He closed his eyes and concentrated.
There had to be a right answer.
Cleopatra's crown. Joan of Arc's sword. A baby dinosaur.
What was the greatest thing he could give her?
The very best present in the world?
It was the hardest problem he'd ever attempted to solve.
But then as always, the solution came to him.
Xander parked his time machine by the 116th Street station and dashed into the subway.
It was 3 .45am a little over three years in the past. Emily was standing by the turnstile, swiping and re -swiping her expired MetroCard. He took a deep breath and approached her.
Let me guess, he said.
Expired MetroCard, she chuckled.
How'd you know?" I had a hunch. Come on, I'll swipe you through.
Oh, that's okay, she said.
I'll just go to the machine upstairs or, the machines are all broken, he said.
You better catch this one, he said.
The next one won't come for another twenty minutes.
Before she could protest, he took out his MetroCard and swiped her through the turnstile.
She smiled back at him with confusion.
Aren't you coming? she asked as the train pulled into the station.
Zandra averted his eyes.
He worried that if he looked at her, he would start to cry.
I . . . need to take a different train .
. . he said. Well, at least let me pay you for that that's all right .
. . he said, his voice breaking.
It's a present . . .
He was about to turn away when she leaned over the turnstile and hugged him.
It was exactly as he remembered it.
Her long brown hair brushing softly against his neck, his entire body tingling with warmth.
Thanks, she said. He tried to say you're welcome, but the words got caught in his throat.
He waved goodbye as she boarded the train.
Then he marched out of the station alone.
Daniel Radcliffe, reading the short story The Present by Simon Rich. Rich's latest book is called Glory Days.
Radcliffe also starred in Rich's TV show Miracle Workers for four seasons.
Act Two, the obstacle.
The main body of most romantic comedies is, there's something or a group of things keeping them apart.
There's always obstacles that are keeping these two people who are fated to be together apart.
The obstacles can be big or little.
Tom Hanks isn't over his dead ex -wife in Sleepless in Seattle.
In Notting Hill, Guy falls in love with somebody who's too famous for him.
In Bridget Jones she's going after the wrong guy — which of course is Pride and Prejudice and I don't know, so many films. It's one of the most common. and when Harry met Sally, they each are involved with other people for a lot of the film.
But the real obstacle is that they're friends.
Which in this film has a special meaning, because if you remember, when Harry met Sally on that car ride originally, he told her that he didn't think that men and women could ever just be friends.
So this is new for him.
Billy Crystal has a scene in the film with a sidekick character, a best friend, played by Bruno Kirby, when they talk about those.
I don't understand this relationship.
What do you mean? You enjoy being with her?
Yeah. You find her attractive?
Yeah. And you're not sleeping with her?
No. You're afraid to let yourself be happy.
Why can't you give me credit for this?
This is a big thing for me.
I've never had a relationship with a woman that didn't involve sex. I feel like I'm growing.
We went out looking for a real life couple facing some obstacle that kept them being together, and that's not actually very hard to find.
But one of our producers, Elna Baker, heard about a couple where the obstacle that confronted them once that relationship got going.
It was pretty unusual.
It was a couple of one of her friends was in, years ago.
Quick warning to everybody who's listening to this podcast version of our show.
There are some words that we have un -beeped in this and other stories in the program.
If you don't wanna hear that, maybe you're listening with kids.
You can get a beeped version at our website, thisamericanlife .org.
Anyway, here's Alna.
My friend, Michelle Buteau is one of the most audacious, ballsy people I know.
And she brings this attitude into all aspects of her life, including relationships.
this is the story about her and her boyfriend.
It starts in the 90s when she was 18 going to college, living in Miami.
And as college students do she adopted a new, cool persona for herself.
One that wore dark lipstick, cargo pants, and danced in reggae clubs every weekend.
I loved dancing. Like I wanted to be a fly girl on In Livin' Color.
I definitely would've been like Snoop Dogg's like video hoe if I had the chance.
Yeah. And, um, yeah, I was out one night at a teeny bopper club, and that's where I saw him.
I remember there, the smoke machine was working.
It felt like we were at a bar mitzvah somewhere in Jersey.
And, literally when the smoke cleared, I'm like, who is that tall boy with the khakis on and the big old chain and the curly hair?
How do I talk to him?
I kind of just sort of like inched my way over to him on the dance floor.
I remember like doing this move where we're like, we both sort of like roll into each other's body and I can be like, get a whiff of his Jaccar noir and I was like, and like my heart was beating so fast I could hear it and I'm like, Oh my God, this is what love is.
I feel like a Puerto Rican Molly Ringwald.
like any good first encounter there were magical coincidences we were walking out to the parking lot and we realize we both have the same car Mazda protege's both leased by our moms was that a moment where you're like this is fate I mean not only did i go to this club Oh definitely I'm like what like out of all the cars in the world out of all the dance clubs you and me he was 18 too but but he seemed to really grown up.
He worked at Best Buy selling DVDs, and he was also a drug dealer.
And in my mind, I was like, oh my God, he's so cool.
He's so good at math.
Like, he counts so quickly.
In case you're thinking, drug dealer?
Red flag? He was barely a drug dealer.
He dealt weed. Nearly every woman I know has dated a weed dealer.
They quickly got serious.
And he was Michelle's first big relationship.
He was funny, smart, they had good banter.
And he was this incredibly accepting person, made her feel comfortable, confident about her body and about sex, which she'd never really felt before.
She imagined a real future with him.
The plan was, I mean, looking back on it and seems so basic, But just to be with each other and to have fun and to have kids and to go out to dinner after a movie on a Friday night.
You know, Olive Garden Cheesecake Factory just kind of exists and a really cute apartment with beige carpet and white blinds.
Yeah, the American dream.
Fast forward three years into the relationship.
their lives are totally entwined, their families are close, they vacation together, it was that point of no return placed in a relationship where you're just like, here it is, this is it.
But there was this one thing that seemed sort of off, a lack of photographic evidence, no pictures of himself as a kid, specifically no school pictures, no prom picture.
Even his mom didn't have any shots of him.
It was just weird. And then, one night, And I had a dream that he called me up, he told me that he never graduated high school.
And when I called them the next day, and I was like, I had this crazy dream, he just started crying.
I could just hear him gently sobbing.
And he's like, not only did I not graduate high school, I don't even know how to read.
I'm just like, how?
Like I thought I knew you?
like what? Like haven't we read something together?
Their entire relationship flashed before her eyes.
One moment after another.
Suddenly, it all made sense.
And I was going back.
You know, I realized like oh my god This is why we go to the same restaurant.
We would go to the same restaurant and he'd order the same thing because he couldn't read the menu.
And he liked to go to restaurants that had pictures of the food.
You know, I would write him poems and stuff, and he's like read them to me.
You know it's better when I hear it from you.
I never want to go through his mail.
I had to help him. When you stop and think about it, the fact that he'd been able to navigate the world convincingly, and keep this from Michelle for over three years, it was an incredible feat.
He must have been covering this up constantly.
When he told me why he didn't know how to read, it just made my heart break even more.
I died when he was young and so his mom had to work three jobs and he was depressed and just dropped out of the fifth grade and nobody ever noticed.
His mom didn't want to deal with it and you know I'm not judging cuz it must have been so hard for her.
The only thing that kept going through my mind I remember was I want to save you, I want to help you, I want to make this better you know we're gonna get back on track to what we had planned.
She was not going to allow this obstacle to push them apart.
She jumped into action.
This was before you could Google everything, so Michelle went to the library and did research on adult literacy.
She broke it down into manageable steps, and wrote out a timeline for him.
My game plan for him was I had a list of places you can go to, to go to night school, a therapist he could talk to, easy adult reading books, tips and tricks, it was like a whole sort of care package of how to just take it on.
And he was really overwhelmed by it, and I was like okay, this is a really big deal, I get it.
Michelle's dyslexic.
And her boyfriend didn't have a learning disability.
But still, she can empathize with how hard it can be to read.
And at first, Michelle's boyfriend was totally on board with the plan.
But after a year of Michelle offering him solutions, he still hadn't taken any action.
It just seemed like he didn't want to.
He got around the world just fine without reading.
She started realizing, oh, wait, his illiteracy was a way bigger problem for her than it was for him.
And it really started pushing them apart.
I stopped being his girlfriend and sort of became his coach, or his mom.
And it wasn't fun for either one of us.
I tried every tactic.
I was patient. I was nice.
I was stern, and then I kind of backed off.
I'm like, whatever he needs to do on his own time.
It started to bleed its way into every moment they shared together.
Like she could never fully relax anymore.
Even when they were happy, she'd snap herself out of it and think, Wait, no no. We're forgetting that there's this huge looming problem.
And we've got to fix it before everything can be okay.
She started to resent him.
We don't even laugh anymore.
We're not even like holding hands like we used to.
We're not even having sex like we used to, simply because you're not even going to this class.
Like if he just went to a class, I would just be so happy.
Did you feel like if you love me, you will learn to read?
Absolutely. I mean, is that weird?
But I totally felt like that.
I was like, who's going to read books to our kids at night?
Like you got to get it together.
This was like the vein of my existence.
I was like, and I couldn't really talk to anyone about it because how embarrassing.
thing. Because I didn't want to, I didn't want my friends to think less of him, you know, and I wanted him to still feel like a man.
So I just kind of like carried this by myself.
And at some point I just looked at myself and I was like, you gots to go, but even then it was just like, how do I leave somebody when they're down?
Well, in a sense it actually like it made the relationship last longer because everything became about him reading.
And so if you could just crack that or fix that, then maybe it would work out.
Oh, my God, what are you Dr. Phil with tits?
Yeah, I mean, I feel like I always lived like that.
If I could just lose those 20 pounds.
If I could just have a clean house all the time, I could do everything I really want to do on my list. And so yeah, there was that, if we could just get past this, then we'll live the life we're supposed to live.
That's the promise of an obstacle.
You feel like all you have to do is conquer it and you get your happy ending.
How would it play out in a rom -com?
The obstacle being his illiteracy?
Oh, OK. Boom. He learns how to read.
He writes like a New York bestseller like situation.
It becomes a movie.
Channing Tatum plays him.
Lisa Bonet plays me.
And we live happily ever after with like, a bunch of mixed children in a huge apartment with beige carpet by Cheesecake Factory.
Amazing. See I was imagining that he would like greet you at the airport with like a sign that he had handwritten himself that was like Michelle I can read now and then you'd see it and he'd start crying.
Ahhh. And he's worked so hard behind your back secretly going to night school the whole time.
Aww. I know. And so he just like fucked a stripper.
OK, she wasn't a stripper, but she was sleeping with Michelle's boyfriend.
Michelle suspects that the entire time she was struggling to get him to read, he was cheating on her.
She was so focused on the obstacle she thought they were facing, she totally missed it.
of course as rom -coms go the thing missing from this story is calm at least until Michelle started doing stand -up and figured out how to tell it on stage when did you just I'd like this story is funny I'm gonna put it in my act like cuz it's actually like really sad but yeah you know most of my the first stroke I ever wrote was about him.
Will you tell it to me?
Sure, its lines at Disney World remind me of my ex -boyfriend in three hours of waiting for a two minute ride.
Ayo! But the story - I didn't feel comfortable doing it on stage till, 13 years later.
And I stayed with him, but then it got like real ratchet, like we were getting into arguments and I'd say shit like but you said you learn how to read for me.
Like that's not how you want your first relationship to be.
In her act, she even talks about how great it feels to tell the story on stage.
But it just felt so good.
It was so cathartic.
I was like, yes, I got to get this out.
And I just started doing jokes about him, and blogging about him.
And my friends are like, you got to be careful because you're using his first and last name.
And I was like bitch, I don't give a fuck because that motherfucker can't read.
All right, good night everybody.
I gotta go! Elna Baker was a long time producer on our show.
Michele Puteau was the author of Survivor of the Thickest. Second season is streaming on Netflix.
She's going on tour this fall.
You can find out more at macheleputeau .org.
Coming up, a real -life romcom that involves Shakespeare, real kisses that are like stage kisses, and the police.
That's in a minute from Chicago Bubble Radio when our program continues.
It's American Life, I'm Ira Glass, today's program, Romcom.
Stories mostly taken from real life that mimic things that we have seen in romantic comedies.
We've arrived at act three of our show, act three, the Run.
This of course, in a romantic comedy is the scene where somebody has to cross town at some point literally sprinting to chase down the person they love and stop them from either marrying somebody else or winning them back somehow.
It doesn't always end up at the airport, but lots of these do.
And honestly, I have to say, I was surprised we found this ever happened in real life.
But here is one story like that.
Marisa Cohen's dad used to like to tell this story.
It was about his own marriage.
He died a couple years ago.
His name is Ron. The story goes like this, when he was getting together with Marisa's mom.
Marisa's mom, Debbie, drove across the to move in with Ron in Florida.
And before she left, she had the post office forward her mail to his house in Florida, and he saw a letter arrive from her ex -fiance.
I think it's crazy, but my dad decided that he saw that letter and he had to read it.
This is Marissa. So, he just opened the letter, read the whole thing, and as my dad put it, my mom's ex -fiance was declaring like his undying love for her and was, like, begging her not to go and was saying he wants to get back together with her.
And my dad freaked out.
He decided, this is it.
It's now or never. He decides he's going to meet her in Dallas, which is where she is on her car trip.
And also is where the ex -fiancé lives.
He hurries to the airport.
The way he told it was, he was going through the airport, you know, running through the Florida airport, gets a ring out of a little, like, gumball machine, puts, like, you know, however much that costs, like a quarter or whatever, in the gumball machine, pulls out a Mickey Mouse ring, because it's Florida, naturally, gets on the plane, flies and meets my mom in Dallas, and right there in the airport gets out on a knees the second he sees her.
I had no plans of seeing the ex -fiancée at all, whatsoever.
As Marissa's mom, Debbie, she had no idea the ex -fiancée had written the letter or that Ron had opened it.
All she knew is that he had offered to drive the rest of the way across the country with her and was going to meet her in the Dallas airport.
He gets off the plane, and I greet him.
And practically the very next thing out of his mouth is, will you marry me?
And he opens up his hand, and in his hand he's got this little Mickey Mouse ring in his hand.
And I am not proud of my reaction at all.
Do you want to hear it?
Yeah. My reaction was, are you crazy?
this is the craziest thing I've ever heard of, I barely know you." That was my reaction.
I have to say, that is my favorite part of the story.
I could have been a little more gentle.
Now what I love about it is that in the movies when somebody does a gesture like that, like often it's way crazier than what he did.
Yes. And kind of stalkerish.
But the movie just acts like, oh, that was a totally lovely thing for a person to do because true love will out.
And I like that you had the normal human reaction that a normal person would have would be like, are you nuts?
Right, right, right, right.
Yeah, well, I'm too pragmatic to fall for that one, I guess.
Jew Life eventually did win out, though, at their wedding, in addition to a regular ring.
She also wore the Mickey Mouse one.
There was another story we heard about somebody running to win LOVE, which actually kind of paralleled the run that happens at the end of Neill's favorite rom -com, When Harry Met Sally.
When Harry Met Sally, the way it goes is that it's New Year's Eve.
Harry's wandering around the streets of New York and he realizes that he loves Sally, has to tell her now, breaks into a run to go tell her.
It's very New York -centric in this one because he tries to catch Cab and of course he can't.
So then he's just like, he's just going to run the entire distance.
David Kestenbaum has our Real Life version of this story about a guy named Steve Snyder.
The thought that someone actually made one of these runs in real life seems so unlikely to me that I wanted to see where it had happened, retrace the steps of it.
So I met Steve where the run began.
At this burger place on Ludlow Street in New York City.
Steve is the kind of guy who is not very good at hiding his feelings.
Like, if this were a movie, you could title it Say Everything.
The setup to the run is this.
He'd met his woman, Emily, at a birthday party.
He was totally smitten.
What I remember is the party kind of turned into a tunnel vision moment.
All I really did was talk to her.
It didn't go great.
He kept asking her, you want to go to a movie?
Maybe we could hang out sometime.
If there's a trajectory in my life it's going from clingy to a little less clingy.
Steve emailed her after the party.
Nothing came of it.
A year passes, and just like in When Harry Met Sally, they meet a second time.
In Steve and Emily's case, it's at the very same birthday party, same apartment.
And they become friends.
It was the kind of friendship where, really, it could go either way.
She seemed kind of interested in something more but maybe not enough.
And the longer they were friends it was like, well maybe that's what they were.
Steve had a job as a film critic so they would go to movies.
Lots of movies. Where they would not hold hands and not kiss.
There is a pathetic moment.
So Lincoln Center Station.
We're waiting for the train.
It's like some crazy 20 minute wait.
Where the words actually come out of my mouth.
You know, hey if you ever want a film critic as a boyfriend you just let me know.
It did, I think. I think we were talking about...
It fit into the context of the conversation somehow, but I can't think of anything more pathetic.
What was her reaction?
She just kind of laughed and was like, yeah, okay, okay.
The run happened on a night where they were not going to hang out.
Steve thinks he was working on a review of some mutant Ninja Turtle movie.
And after work, he goes out with some friends to a music place.
Music's so loud and it's kind of fun, you know, it's a great night and we're dancing.
I actually started dancing for once.
We leave the place, we're going to go get some greasy food because we're hungry and we haven't eaten and I have my bag and everything, so we walk into the burger joint.
The place we are sitting in right now.
Greasy spoon, tiled white walls, and painted brick.
It's like a piece of a subway station that's somehow above ground.
You know there's what, five tables here?
It's tiny. And so I remember just kind of throwing my bag down and then I pull out my phone just And it's one of those weird nights, right?
I just haven't checked my phone almost any night, any night, 99 % of nights.
You know, your phone's right next to you.
If it's buzzing, you hear it, if it rings, you hear it.
I don't know if I had bad reception in the place because it's kind of an older building, but I look down and I swear to God, I have 22 text messages.
And I'm like, what?
And they're all from Emily.
And so I run out of the burger place to the street.
Great, let's go outside.
OK. All right, so you rush out here.
I rush out here, and there is not exactly a lot of room.
I mean, there's not room at all.
So this is a crowded, like, this is where you hang out until 4 AM.
So I rush out, and I start reading through the messages.
And it starts very, kind of innocently, very like, hey, what are you up to tonight?
Oh, are you, oh, maybe you're out.
I was wondering if maybe you wanted to like get a drink or something.
And then, and then it starts escalating like, wait, are you, are you not texting me or why aren't you texting me back?
Usually it was pretty quick at getting back to her.
Cause I was totally into her.
And then it started being like, It started getting a little more paranoid, and then I think she started thinking I was on a date or something.
In just two hours, it looked like she'd gone through all these phases, everything laid out in all these texts, ending with one that Steve was not expecting.
The last text message said, maybe we need to talk about this whole not dating thing.
I just thought, like, this is it.
Like, whatever's about to happen, and, like this is the moment.
And so I immediately called her.
I immediately just hit dial.
I didn't quite know what I was gonna say.
And I think she picked up the phone, said hello, and I just kind of started going into it, like, I don't know what to say here.
Like, yes, I want to date you.
And what have we been doing?
You know, I'm, like, screaming in the street.
The cars aren't moving.
People stop walking by me.
They just stop to see like, what's going on here?
Because I'm screaming, like, I love you.
I don't know how to be clear.
Like, I love you. So I'm screaming this, and this crowd is starting to cheer me on.
Someone does yell like, say you love him!
Like, say you love him!
Yelling to her through the phone, and...
I love New York. You know?
And all I remember her saying, And it might have been all that she did say was, you know, like, you need to stop yelling.
If you want to talk about this, you might as well just come here.
And as far as I'm concerned, this is the moment.
Like, it's on. Like, this is happening.
And I just start running down the street, looking for cabs.
Let's run. Let's run.
So, I start running.
We are now jogging up Ludlow Street.
It's actually kind of exciting.
The crowd's looking at me, wondering what the hell I'm doing.
And literally, I'm, like, banging on every cab, because it's that time of night where some, where some are just saying they're off duty.
So I think I hit a couple, and I'm sort of like, can you take me just up to the east village, not that far?
But taxi after taxi is like, no. There's someone in it.
So he keeps running.
Like, I didn't tell my friends where I was going.
I left my laptop. All these screeners that I had taken assignments to review that the movie studios told me they needed back, uh I ditched everything.
Can we talk about the running?
Yeah. Why does love always involve running?
That is interesting.
Why did I feel like I had to run?
In the movies they run but usually it's because someone's about to get married or about to get on a plane like....
It felt very urgent to get there very quick.
This had been building up for years.
And for a moment she was willing to consider it and I was gonna get there before she said it was too late or she was too tired.
Steve told me he'd been living in the friend universe for so long, and now it was like this little wormhole had opened up.
He didn't know for how long, where he might be able to slip into the parallel universe of boyfriend.
Steve did eventually get a taxi, he made it to her apartment, and he stayed over, and they did become boyfriend and girlfriend.
In the movies, this is often the final scene.
The end of the movie is the beginning of the relationship.
You don't really get to see how it goes, how he gets too clingy, one of them meets someone else, how it just fades.
But that is not this story.
We got married. And now we have two kids, and I still can't believe it's all played out the way it did.
I know things don't always work out in the end.
But sometimes you just want to hear the ones that do.
David Kestetbaum is our show's senior editor.
Act four. You had me at hello.
So after Harry does his run across New York City on New Year's Eve, and reaches Sally, he explains to her that he ran because once you realize you want to spend the rest of your life with somebody, you want the rest of your life to start as soon as possible, and he tells her all the things about her, that he notices and loves about her.
That's the final thing you need for a rom -com.
You need for somebody to declare that they see you in ways that you are usually not seen.
Maybe you don't even know yourself.
And it does happen in real life sometimes after some obstacles.
Diane Wu has a story like that.
She fell for him in an acting class.
Jillian was a serious young actor, bent over her desk taking notes, when Jeffree got up in front of class to read from a Midsummer Night's Dream.
I just remember hearing his voice first and then like actually looking up from my notebook and just watching him do the scene and he was so so good and he has really awesome voice it's like super low and really resonant and he was really hot too.
By the time he sat back down she was done.
I was immediately like more attracted to him than I'd ever felt attracted to anybody before and I didn't I didn't know how to talk to him.
Like I just, I knew that I wanted to talk to him, but I just didn't know how.
There is like a mix between wanting to be right next to somebody and then like run away and hide.
Gillian was young, 20.
She'd had boyfriends, but nothing too serious.
And they'd always liked her more than she liked them.
Until Jeffery. They were working together at a Shakespeare theater in New York.
At the end, they put on a production of The Winter's Tale.
On stage she'd sometimes get so distracted that he was there that she'd forget her lines.
Sometimes offstage she thought maybe Jeffrey was flirting with her but she couldn't tell for sure and anyway she had a rule.
Never sleep with a cast mate.
So for four months she kept her feelings to herself.
Cut to the night of the final cast party.
Everyone's at the bar that they always go to and it's the first night they're no longer co -workers, so on her way over Jillian makes it her mission to try and kiss him that night.
She talks to him a lot at the party, but keeps chickening out.
Finally, she gives up and decides to go home.
And so I was standing there.
And I was getting ready to hail a cab, finishing up the end of the cigarette.
And I felt him come up next to me.
And yeah, he just. It was kind of like, I remember him just like, brushing back hair kind of off of my cheek.
And it's that moment, you know, where you know that you're actually gonna kiss.
Like you just feel it in your two bodies and it just so very lightly pressed his lips up against mine and then it was like a actual like deeper kiss and I know from the outside we made it look good because it very much felt like one of those like a good stage kiss.
After their perfect first kiss everything falls into place on cue.
He invites her back to his apartment, she flicks her cigarette to the curb, he opens the door to the cab, she glides into the back seat.
More kissing ensues.
I think that's probably the first time I've ever made out with anybody in the back of a cab.
I think I was probably like, oh this cab driver is here.
They make out all the way across Manhattan, over a bridge and up five flights of stairs.
Somehow Jeffrey manages to unlock the door without removing his lips from Jillian's.
This impresses her very much. Everything is going so perfectly.
So then I use this bathroom because I've been drinking a lot of beer all night and I'm so nervous.
I notice that my hands are shaking in the mirror.
I'm so nervous and I just look myself in the eye and I actually gave myself a pep talk.
Like, point her fingers and dancing in the mirror, and being like, this is everything you've waited for, it's actually happening, it's like excitement, nervous, I believe in you.
Yeah. Then Jillian encounters the first obstacle in what will turn out to be a very strange night for her.
And my whole heart just sinks.
I'm not actually gonna be able to have sex with him.
I just got my period.
I realize that like making out with him in the back of the cab and dress like my cigarettes and my leather jacket you know it makes me seem like I was this really cool city girl but the reality of who I am is this very nervous person who grew up very conservative like very very conservative.
Jillian grew up on a farm in rural Canada this one time when she was young and got her period while wearing white pants.
Her whole family participated in a weird game of denial.
Everyone just pretended like she sat in some jam.
She didn't even like to say the word, period.
It was something that was very hush -hush, and not something I was used to discussing openly.
Jillian thinks there's no way we can sleep together tonight.
So she's disappointed, and she's stressing over how she's even going to tell him.
But she can't hide in the bathroom much longer.
He's waiting on the other side of the door.
So I left the bathroom, and it was like I stepped out into another world, this like romantic world, where he had actually taken a scarf and put it over a lamp, so the lighting was this like orange mood lighting.
He didn't have a shirt on.
My mind remembers him glistening.
He probably wasn't actually glistening, but that's how my mind remembers him.
We checked, her mind remembers, right?
Jeffrey told me, and he said, Yes, this was very embarrassing looking back, but while she was in the bathroom, he slathered on baby oil to make his muscles pop.
Anyway, they start to kiss.
And I remember at first being really into it and then remembering my situation, so my mouth does that thing where it curls up a little bit.
And we kinda laugh a bit and he goes in to kiss me again, and I do that thing where I pull away again.
And he was so sweet.
He was like, wait, what's going on?
He noticed it, he wrote it right away, I was like, we don't have to do this, like I wanna be clear, like nothing is expected of you in this situation.
We don't have to have sex. And I was like, I want to, I honestly I want to.
It's just and I kept trying to think of how am I gonna phrase this?
I think of this thing that my roommate used to say, she calls it her aunt flow, so I look at him and I tell him that my aunt flow has just landed And she's very much in town." And he gets like a little bit confused.
Uh -huh. He asks me if my aunt has like just arrived at the airport and if I have to go see her or something.
So eventually I just fess up and I tell him like, no I have my period.
And I'm pretty sure I whispered it, I'm pretty sure I was like, I have my period.
Uh -huh. And he smiled his like half smile and was like, I was like, so?
What do you mean so?
And he just, he didn't care.
He didn't care. He was older than her, grew up with a bunch of sisters.
Jillian is briefly astonished, considers this totally new possibility, not caring.
Decides she's into it and they start kissing again.
And because this is a family show, I will just say that everything that happened next went really well.
In fact, it was the first time this particular activity went quite so well for Jillian.
I felt like I finally understood what it was about.
I remember lying there and listening to his heartbeat.
Yeah. just like listening to his heartbeat is such a comforting sound that I can still hear it so distinctly and after a while he gets up to go to the bathroom and he kind of like flicks on that little light she's talking about the lamp by the bed and I turn off that light and he flicks it on again and then I turn it back off we have this like little shared moment laughter mm -hmm and he leaves and I turn light on again and it looks like a crime scene.
There is blood everywhere.
This is the first time I had seen so much of my own menstrual fluid.
I was afraid of it I couldn't even fathom what he was gonna think about it.
Just when Jillian thinks it can't get worse, she looks up from the bed.
And then I don't know how this happened, but my very own, like, red, bloody handprint is on his white wall.
Oh my God. I just, like, panicked.
Julian tears the sheets off the bed and throws them aside.
Next, the handprint.
He didn't have any water or anything in his room, so I used my own saliva to wipe the bloody handprint off of the wall.
like out, out, damn spa.
Next, she bundles up the sheets, but she has no idea what to do with them.
She starts to put them in the hamper but then realizes that he would still have to take them and wash them himself, which she cannot bear to imagine.
She peeks under his bed to see if she can stash them there, but then she thinks, no, no, that's crazy, he'll still find them.
Jeffree will be out of the bathroom any minute.
She's running out of options.
So I stuff them into my own backpack.
Were you going to take them?
Oh yeah, well I have to get out of there.
You're not gonna get away with that though.
He's gonna notice that his sheets are gone.
I know, but I wasn't thinking about that at the time.
All I could think of is that I didn't want him to have to wash these sheets and I didn't want him to have to clean up my mess, I guess.
To cover her tracks, Gillian throws a comforter over the bed so you can't see the sheets are missing, straightens the pillows, and gets ready to bolt.
When Jeffrey comes back from the shower, she makes up a lame excuse about why she can't stay the night, something about having to go to work early the next morning.
She could tell how flimsy it sounded as she was saying it.
And I just, it breaks my heart, but I remember him looking so hurt and so confused.
I wish that I didn't leave, I wish that I had stayed, but...
She didn't. Jeffrey offered to help Jillian hail a cab, but she was like, no it's fine, I'll just take the subway.
She walked to the station, totally miserable.
Like then it really hits me that I have stolen this man's sheets.
How do you come back from that?
How do you, how are you not the weird girl who took his bedsheets?
Yeah. So then I'm so inside myself and I hear this voice being like, Ma 'am, excuse me ma 'am.
And I look up and in New York they have this like station outside of subway entrances with this like folding table.
And the NYPD stands behind.
And it's a random bag search. No. And here Jillian does what any sensible leading lady would do when confronted by law enforcement.
I pretend I don't hear them and I try to like exit the subway station I go like like a brisk like run -walk and nothing looks more suspicious than trying to avoid a random bag.
I am sure. The officer catches up to Jillian, unzips her backpack and pulls out the sheets which are covered in blood.
I remember him like and the subway has such distinct lighting like I just remember him holding up these sheets my menstrual sheets of shame like menstrual sheets of Doom, and I Realized that they didn't look like menstrual sheets of doom.
They look like murder He asked me to explain it and I Just are crying.
I can barely get the words out I'm just like trying to explain to him like it's my period on those sheets and I stole the sheets from the guy that I was with and I know that's wrong, I know that the actual theft of the sheets is wrong and I promised the officer that I would return them but I just needed to wash them first. The police officer looks Jillian up and down, asks for her ID and points her to go stand in a little box taped on the floor by the wall.
She watches him walk over to his partner and have a very serious looking conversation.
The sheets stay crumpled up on the plastic folding table.
He comes back and he gives me an ultimatum, so we can go down to the precinct and they can file a report and they've got to keep the sheets just in case it's evidence you know and they're gonna ask me a bunch of questions and follow up or I can take him back to the apartment the apartment that I just came from and have my partner corroborate my story like and I had to think about it like I honestly like I honestly gave it a really solid good thing.
There was a huge part of me that would rather go to the police station.
They'd have to go back and show Jeffrey, not only show him these sheets, but also bring the police there.
But my common sense caught up with me of, this looks like I've done something very wrong.
They make the long walk to Jeffrey's apartment silently.
They get to the doorstep and buzz, wait for Jeffrey to walk down five flights of stairs.
When he gets there, the police officer does all the talking.
Good evening, do you know this woman?
Jeffrey says he does, that they'd just been hanging out.
Then, the cop reaches into Gillian's backpack and pulls out the sheets.
Do you know what these are?
Jeffrey says, those are my sheets.
The police officer asks, can you identify the substance on these sheets?
And I just remember being fascinated, because without hesit, hesitating, and almost like in this stronger voice, he just says menstrual fluid, which is like, I would call my period anything other than what it actually was.
So for him to look a police officer right in the eyes and just say very confidently menstrual fluid, it was just, it sounded so scientific and very grown up.
The cops having fulfilled their narrative purpose and successfully reunited our couple leave. And then I'm alone with Jeffrey.
I'm trying to apologize to him, namely for stealing his sheets, but also just for everything from bringing the police back to his house.
Jillian remembers sobbing through all of this.
She's mortified. All of a sudden Jeffrey stops her, and says this thing that still hits Jillian in a soft spot.
He told me. I just remember him looking at me and he's like, you're so strange.
Awwww. And he's like, wonderfully strange.
Everything that you could possibly think of going wrong, went wrong and it all still turned out okay.
He still liked me no matter what.
This is, like, my favorite moment in any romcom.
It's a scene in 10 Things I Hate About You when Julia Stiles reads her poem to Heath Ledger in front of the entire class.
It's Jack Nicholson, in As Good As It Gets, telling Helen Hunt how he just can't believe she runs into strangers all day long and they don't know that they just met the greatest woman alive.
And of course it's Mark Darcy at the bottom of the stairs, telling Bridget Jones, I like you very much, just as you are." To me, the whole point of rom -coms is to set up that line.
It's what we all want to hear and say to the people we love most. But real life doesn't guarantee a plotline that pushes us to say it.
Diane Wu, she's one of the producers of our show.
Gillian and Jeffrey dated for a few months, and then they broke it off when real life, new jobs, her expired visa from Canada, got in the way.
She says she's glad it ended before anything bad happened.
Keeps the memory sweet just like a movie.
These days, Gillian wipes us an actor, writer, and comedian in Toronto.
A version of the story first aired on the Risk podcast. Broke�orn was produced by Neil Drumming and Diane Wu.
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Neil Drumming, who you heard earlier talking about when Harry Met Sally and who produced this episode is no longer working at our show.
And he has released an album where he raps.
And the thing that I love about it is that Neil's real life personality is all right there.
It is funny and self -critical and contemplative and definitely has a bit of romantic comedy there.
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And I think that's probably the first time I've ever made out with anybody in the back of a cab.
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