Bramble.
Better being better, boom.
They knew that this wasn't the sound of a firework.
I mean, from really a far, maybe you could confuse the two sounds a little bit, but if you're
close enough, there's no way you're thinking that this is a firework.
A firework sound.
It lasts a lot longer.
It's like a crack and then a fizzling pop afterwards.
Like, if you throw a piece of meat into a hot sizzling pot of oil to fry it, there's
a sizzling.
Just sshh.
There's an echo.
A gunshot on the other hand is a lot more distinct.
It is abrupt.
It starts and then it ends.
There is no middle.
Just boom.
That's it.
A blip on the radar.
They hear the gunshot.
I mean, it's just echoing off the halls of this very dingy apartment complex.
In the hallways, every single door to each unit opens.
People start popping their head out into the hallway to see where the hell this noise is
coming from.
Most of the heads peeping into the hallway.
They're not even neighbors.
They're not even residents of the building.
So what are they doing inside of this residential apartment complex?
They're journalists.
This is what they came for.
This gunshot.
This is the story.
They hear a whole crowd of people screaming from outside the building, like reacting to the
gunshot.
They're slamming their bodies onto the pavement to try and avoid being shot.
They were all here for apartment 24.
No, really, there is a crowd of over a hundred people and they are standing in front of
the apartment building just outside surrounding it, staring at this singular, tiny, small,
rectangular window up in the building.
This isn't even a nice building.
So you're not getting those Florida ceiling glass windows or crazy views.
It's just an old, gray, concrete building with these large stains on the walls.
Then they have these tiny windows that are unevenly scattered around.
And this is where, in the parking lot, there's about a hundred people trying to break their
necks trying to peer into apartment 24.
They're looking for him.
He's a celebrity at this point.
Some girls are even coming up to the building, taking pictures.
They're trying to jump as high as they can to get a look inside, which really is not that
possible.
It's not like they're on the second floor, but they would be screaming.
Come to the window, please.
We came to see you.
We love that boy.
Show us your face.
People are pointing their phones at the window, seeing if he would react.
He did.
The window slams open and a soccer jersey is hung up.
A soccer jersey.
Half the crowd outside.
They start cheering full force.
That's their team.
He's wrapping their team.
The other half, boo.
This is the worst team in the world in their eyes.
Okay, there's no middle ground.
Others, they start running back to their houses.
They start running back to their cars to grab their own soccer jerseys to represent who
side that they're on in all of this.
These dozens of police officers just standing there staring at the cheering crowd.
I mean, they look like they're just amazed by the situation.
Journalists are standing there as well, waiting for something just exciting to happen.
They keep calling his phone to see if the man in apartment 24 is going to pick up.
Oh my god, here he comes.
All the cameras pan to the window.
They zoom in.
Everybody is tapping on their camera screens to get it to focus on the window because
someone is about to pop their head out, but it's not him.
It's a girl.
She sticks her head out the window a tiny bit.
She looks maybe 15 and she sticks both of her thumbs up like all good thumbs up sign.
Both hands.
Both hands.
And it's very unnerving.
She's giving thumbs up when her face is contorted.
It's blotchy everywhere.
I mean, it's clear that she's been crying, sobbing.
She's distressed clearly.
Her shoulders are basically up to her ears.
Her body language is beyond tense.
She looks like she's in life threatening danger, but she's giving everyone a thumbs up.
And behind her, if you zoom closely enough on your phone or your camera, you would see
a gun pointed directly at her.
Then she disappears and another girl, another 15 year old pops out the window and they're
really young.
She's forced to wave.
And she's dragged back into the apartment and then a gun is shoved out the window and
a shot is fired into the crowd directly into the crowd into the crowd.
The man from apartment 24 was a 22 year old hostage taker.
There were 14 a.m. being held hostage in that apartment.
This is Brazil's longest hostage situation, 100 hours and by the end, three escape, one
will be forced back into the apartment after escaping, two will be shot and one will die.
And the whole nation would just watch it happen in real time, almost like a live stream.
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A few brief disclaimers for today's case.
We had our Portuguese speaking researcher who resides in Brazil help gather data for
this case.
However, as always, please let us know if anything is mistranslated or miscommunicated
in the comments below.
We also turn to two professional FBI negotiators, Chris Voss and Gary Nessner.
They're both very well known in the work in their field, so we try to fill in any gaps
in today's case.
All patterns and behavioral speculations and analysis were based on their highly educated,
highly trained, experienced, based, published works.
They have really great books.
The interviews between the press and the perpetrator have also been condensed for clarity.
So with that being said, let's get into it.
Elola had just one shot for all of this to end.
Just one.
That's it.
I mean, she's being held hostage and if she doesn't get this to work, she's going to
be here forever.
I mean, who knows, she could die in this apartment.
She opens up the window and she starts sliding down the bed sheets.
She had ripped them and tied them tightly to each other and she's letting them hang down.
She's using both arms to like throw the torn sheets all the way until it reaches the
ground and then she leans out the window as far down as she can because this is her one
shot at escaping, one shot.
So why, why are they not?
Elola pushes her body just a little bit out more and still nothing.
They don't take the shot.
She could feel the gun pressing up against her back.
She stands up, takes a step back into the apartment and starts pulling up the makeshipped
rope.
At the very end of the rope is a paper bag tied to it.
Food.
Food the police had brought her to eat.
She's also trying to bring up the food, not escaping.
No, she's trying to bring up the food but she's leaning down as far as possible to give
the snipers a clear view of her hostage taker.
But they don't take the shot.
This was her only shot.
So she was trying to get that message across and they didn't do that.
They did not.
So she just has food attached to her bed sheets, food the police brought because she's getting
sick, she's throwing up, she can't eat what's in the house anymore.
But none of that matters because she lost her only chance at leaving.
It's not like she can try and escape out the window.
There's about a hundred people standing there that would probably start cheering when
she started scaling down the side of the building.
They're watching the window of this apartment building like it's a TV screen.
Eyes glued but almost passive.
They're not actually trying to help or get involved.
They're just watching in real time.
Lo is not trying to escape.
She's trying to bend down so that the police could shoot her hostage taker.
When Lo was thrown back into the apartment with the food, they all sat in front of
the TV to watch it all over again.
Her grabbing food from the rope.
And they would rerun it on every single news network immediately after it happened.
She would likely hope that the hostage taker did not notice in all of the reruns that
she's leaning down a lot more than she needs to.
Some people make horrendous hostage negotiators.
If you've ever uttered the words like even in your head, yeah, but it doesn't matter
what they think because what they think is wrong.
You would probably not be hired as a good hostage negotiator.
You need a high level of emotional intelligence to be considered by the FBI.
For example, there are three types of people.
And next time you're at a party, you can test this out.
Pronounce a word wrong on purpose.
It's got to be a hard word where it sounds like you're trying to sound a little bit
educated but not condescending.
You pronounce that word incorrectly.
There's three reactions, three types of people.
The first type of person, they're not even going to notice that you mispronounced it.
Most likely, they're not even paying that close enough attention to you to even notice
that you mispronounced it.
The second type of person, they're going to smirk.
And they're going to point it out directly in front of the whole group and either intentionally
or unintentionally, they're going to embarrass you.
The third person will smile genuinely and say something more along the lines of, oh my
god, how funny.
I actually learned that it was pronounced this way recently.
And funny enough, there was a study done that found that avid readers often mispronounce
words since they expand their vocabulary through reading rather than watching movies or
watching shows.
So through sound, I thought it was just really curious.
What kind of books do you typically enjoy?
That's some very high level communication skills.
And that third one is going to be a hostage negotiator.
You're correcting them.
You're letting it be known that that is not a correct thing.
You're not shying away from the fact that they mispronounced it.
But you're doing it in a way where it gives them the opportunity to walk away.
Yeah, and you're complimenting them, like making them feel good about it.
Exactly.
It's all about saying the right thing.
You can say the same thing in two different ways and get two different results.
So let's say you're in a hostage situation.
You are the hostage negotiator.
The purpose is to prep the hostage taker for some bad news.
You're trying to soften the blow.
Something that they're going to be upset about and you know it.
Do you say one?
Look, I don't want you to be offended by what I'm getting ready to say.
Number two, what I'm getting ready to say is probably going to offend you.
I think number two, right?
Yes, the first is almost an order.
I don't want you to be offended by what I'm getting ready to say.
It centers the negotiator.
But the statement itself assumes that the negotiator holds the power because they have
the power to offend.
That is true.
I don't know why the second just sounds better.
And I feel like they can almost be applied to in relationship maybe.
In just regular communication, right?
Yeah.
It's crazy how subtle it is.
And then two, it's like a preemptive measure.
You need to say something and this is just to let them know it's not the best news that
you're bringing, unfortunately.
Also the natural reaction to option two is, okay, well that wasn't that bad.
Let's try another one.
This can be used when talking to family members of hostages or even the hostage takers themselves.
So when they're delivering horrendous news to them, do you say one?
You sound angry.
Or two.
I know you're angry.
I know you're angry.
Yes.
One is going to get you the response of, yeah, you pose.
Oh, you're the one that pissed me off.
Or even, of course I'm angry.
You idiot.
You made me angry.
But with two, you're more likely to get a response of, yeah, and what are you going to
do about it?
That at least gives the hostage negotiator an opportunity to make it right.
Wait, can you say those two again?
You sound angry.
I know you're angry.
No, you're angry.
Wow.
It's so subtle.
It's crazy.
The hostage negotiators from the FBI we're talking about.
It's just switching a few words and that makes or breaks a hostage negotiation.
Because in a hostage situation, not talking about the anger does not make it go away.
Anger is the elephant in the room.
So you just need to address it in a way that doesn't escalate the situation.
The last question, before we get started, do you know what the F bomb is in negotiations?
It's like the one word that you cannot abuse, but it is incredibly overused in almost
all negotiations, business relationships, friendships, colleagues everywhere.
It's been used too much.
Used too much.
And it's not good.
No.
The F bomb.
F bomb.
What do you want in a negotiation?
Think even business negotiation.
What do I want?
What do both parties want?
Okay, so it needs to be a win-win and it needs to be a fair, fair.
Fair.
Fair is the F bomb.
Lastage negotiator, Chris Vass said that there are three types of ways to use the word fair.
And only one of them is correct.
Can you guess which one?
One.
We just want what's fair for everyone.
Fair for you, fair for us.
We want both parties to be happy and healthy.
No.
Two, we've given you a fair offer.
This is the best we can do.
I really try to get the best deal for you.
I really did.
No.
Three, I want you to feel like you're being treated fairly.
So please stop me at any time if you feel like I'm being unfair.
Yeah, yeah.
The third one sounds so much better.
Yeah.
So he said that don't even use that word unless you're using it so correctly like the third
one.
So for one, it's wrong because the implication of like I want what's fair for both of us,
whoever utters those words is already admitting loss.
They've already got the short end of the stick.
That means they already feel like you're scamming them.
Two is wrong because it's almost condescending.
Trust me, this is a fair deal.
This is the best you're going to get.
Like you don't know it, but I'm letting you know this is the best.
Three is the best because it disarms someone.
It makes you seem like a person of integrity and very reasonable to work with because at
the end of the day, everyone wants to be treated fairly.
They want what's fair.
But what is fair when you've taken four teenage hostages by gunpoint?
It's 1 p.m. on a Monday, 15 year old Aloa and her three best friends, Neyara.
That's her best best friend.
She calls her Barbie because of her blonde hair and then two guy friends from school.
They're over at Aloa's family apartment and they're just finishing up their geography
homework.
It's not chaotic, but there's like a nice lively energy in the place.
There's music playing in the background.
They were hungry, so they just ate lunch and the smell of food is lingering.
Aloa is going around doing some chores around the house.
Her little brother and parents won't be home till later, so she's trying to get as much
done as possible.
She's making the bed, putting clothes away, running the laundry, running the dishes.
And suddenly, the door flings open and there was a man standing in the doorway.
He's just standing in the doorway, staring at them.
Aside from the fact that he just burst into the apartment uninvited, his body language
is unsettling.
His posture is unnaturally rigid.
He's scanning the room like he's looking for something or someone, but most unsettling
of all, he's got a gun in his hand.
And he was looking for Aloa.
He is Aloa's stalker.
And for a split second, everybody's frozen.
I mean, the stalker is in the doorway.
And finally, he opens his mouth and he says, oh boy, you're all in the wrong place at
the wrong time.
I came to kill Aloa.
The man jumps into action.
He flings his body across the room and he slaps the two teenage boys across the face.
He slams the butt of the gun down on their heads, sit out on the bed, sit down.
He grabs Aloa by her arm and in front of her school classmates, he just starts beating
her viciously, excessively, kicking her, punching her, slapping her.
Her three friends are just sitting on the bed terrified.
They're screaming for help.
And then he fires the gun at the door and they go silent because this man is not joking
around.
His eyes are bulging out of his face and he's whipping the gun around like it's just
like a bandana or like a flag that you would wave around in the air.
I'm going to kill Aloa and then myself.
And with that, the clock has started.
It is time for negotiations.
The first hour of a hostage situation is the most crucial.
If you were to see the state of emotions during a hostage situation over time, one of the
highest peaks would be at the first hour.
Highest emotion, highest risk, highest consequences.
The hostage taker in the first hour usually feels a massive surge of adrenaline.
It's almost euphoric.
The feeling of complete power and control, adrenaline levels will shoot up 500% above baseline,
500% of what you and I feel right now times 500% in adrenaline.
To give you an idea, our levels only increase 500% in severe life threatening situations,
like if a shark is swimming straight at you with their teeth showing or if you're in the
middle of an earthquake and the building is collapsing.
That is when your adrenaline peaks 500% above baseline.
Your senses are so alert, so heightened.
You almost feel like you have super hearing.
You became a superhero.
You can hear three apartment units down from you every creek, things seem brighter in
color.
Your brain tricks you into thinking you've never been so clear minded.
Your brain might even trick you into becoming blind to the reality of fatality, to death.
It's that dopamine levels can increase by 50%.
That's your brain's feelings of reward, motivation and sense of power.
Your serotonin levels, your happy chemicals rise 20 to 30%, which is an increase of, you
just feel happy in this situation.
You're likely to feel 70 to 80% more self-assured than usual as a hostage taker in the first
hour alone.
Now the dangerous part of all of this is what goes up must come down and it comes down
really quick.
It's not even in the first hour.
Sometimes it comes down in 10 minutes and once you're back down a baseline, it's going
to feel horrendous.
You're going to start sweating profusely from the increased anxiety.
You might feel trembling and nausea.
The amygdala at the brain's fear center.
It's like a tiny almond-shaped panic button.
It starts going off nonstop.
Nonstop.
The fire alarm, the sprinklers inside your brain and technically your body because you're
sweating a lot is go you can't catch your breath.
It feels like you ran a marathon.
You can hear thumping in your ears.
It sounds like there's a drum playing in your chest.
Your whole body is just slick with sweat.
Your hands are shaking and you're trying to hold your gun steady.
But it's about to fall out because you're so sweaty and you're shaking.
You keep rolling your neck because the tension is so you just feel so sore.
It feels like you've been carrying a heavy backpack of rocks all day long.
The tension starts leading to headaches and you just want to scream shut up, shut up
everyone.
Let me think for a second.
Even when nobody's talking.
Attention span decreases 25 to 35%.
Field division narrows 20 to 30%.
Working memory decreases by 20 to 30%.
Your brain is trying to work through 5 to 10 potential plans or possible outcomes per
minute.
Because your brain is trying to anticipate the reaction of the hostages, the police,
the negotiators because at the end of the day, even if you're an evil person, your
brain is trying to protect you.
Any little mistake, any little oversight, life or death.
Now there are three sides to each hostage situation.
The hostage taker, the hostage, and the hostage negotiator.
The power will actually ebb and flow between the three parties.
Sometimes it changes on a daily basis or even a minute by minute, second by second basis
who holds the power.
And unfortunately, the person with the most power is the one with the least to lose.
In Brazil, there is a special tactical action group called gate.
So they focus on hostage situations.
It would be comparable.
I don't know if comparable in skill and training, but comparable to the US's FBI hostage
negotiation team.
70 gate officers, they would show up surround the apartment building and set up HQ at the
school nearby headquarters, the command center, the school that Aloa and the three others
went to.
That's the command center.
The hostage negotiators job is to understand all the emotions, the power plays from what's
going on inside that apartment and try to get everyone to walk out alive.
They're focused on strategy and mind games.
But gate also called on a tactical team.
They're focused on trying to get in and disarm the hostage taker whenever they see an
opportunity, strategy and snipers.
Very different teams that have to work together to deescalate.
Their motto for gate is time, patience and calm.
Then you have the hostage taker, armed, dangerous and usually mad, sad and mentally mad.
That's how they describe them.
Mad, sad and mentally mad, mentally ill.
Yeah.
All they want is something, demands for money.
Give me $100,000 and I'll let your daughter go.
Give me a getaway car in a duffle bag of untrackable hundreds and I'll let the bank tellers
go.
Do they want release or exchange of people?
Let inmate John Doe go from Rikers Prison and I'll let my hostage go.
Or maybe it's religious or political.
Aramai sermons on national television and I will release the kids.
That was a real demand from a religious cold leader.
The prime minister steps down or else someone's getting shot.
And then you have the hostages.
Every day both hostage taker and hostage negotiator will argue about the value of the hostages
life with none of their input.
But their power is in their existence.
They're as powerful as as much as the hostage negotiators think their life is worth.
Which is a very scary situation to be in.
But in this case, there's actually a fourth group.
The press.
This is the case of the very first almost live streamed hostage situation broadcast on live
television in real time with a live audience outside the apartment building watching in
real time cheering for one side or the other like they're watching a baseball game.
The press seemingly right off the bat.
They knew that there was a hostage situation.
They rushed over to the apartment.
They ran through the same process the hostage negotiators did, which is identify the hostages
inside.
This is a low up mental apartment, so likely the hostage taker came for her specifically.
Their next course of action, same with gate, was to track down every single person that
was ever in a low as life to get exclusive interviews with them to air in real time.
That potentially even a lower herself would be watching from inside the apartment.
They could even ask, do you want to say something to a low up?
That would be good TV.
So journalists they managed to track down a low as ex boyfriend, which was likely the
most interesting person in terms of news coverage.
I mean, forget a classmate, forget a teacher ex boyfriend, and they start spinning together
this whole story.
Star cross lovers, but once she gets out of there, once this whole thing is over and she's
no longer being held hostage, they're going to get back together and it's going to be
the wedding of the century hostage freed, freed hostage bride.
Think about that.
They will have this realization, the both of them, that they miss each other, that they
cannot live without each other.
That was the story that the news was spinning.
One expert media attorney stated on air, I'm very optimistic.
I hope it all ends well and I hope that there will be a wedding for him and Aloa, his passionate
ex girlfriend, somewhere in the future.
I really hope that this all has a happy ending and I'm certain it will.
Is that the right time and place for that kind of statement?
No.
Well, we do have Lyndon Berg, Aloa's ex on the line right now.
This is a live phone conversation aired on live television.
Lyndon Berg, how are you feeling?
What do you want to tell the people about your ex Aloa?
What's going on?
People might not believe me, but right now I'm not thinking about me or anyone else, I'm
just thinking about Aloa's life.
I believe that.
You really liked her.
She's your girlfriend for a very long time, right?
That's right.
Two years and seven months.
The media is a circus.
They make up a lot of things that aren't true.
But regardless, Aloa's ex boyfriend, Lyndon Berg, was very helpful over the phone.
He said, I'm positive that this is going to end in the best way possible.
The journalist smiled and tried to sympathize with him so that she could keep him on the
phone and near the end of the phone call, she pauses maybe to verify that the cameras
are still rolling, that they're still live.
And she asked through the phone, wait, Lyndon Berg, before you hang up, can you let me speak
to Aloa for a little bit?
One minute, you get one minute.
Talk, Aloa.
The journalist looks hesitant.
Aloa, and then the call cuts.
Aloa is at the bus stop staring.
I mean, everywhere Aloa went, Lyndon Berg went.
And this is before the hostage situation.
This is when he was just her stalker, not her hostage taker.
If Aloa was getting out of class, he would write his motorcycle very slowly near her school
until he spots her in her little backpack, then he would speed up and then slow down only
when he gets so close enough that he's basically writing his motorcycle while she's walking.
And he doesn't even talk to her.
He just stares her down the whole way through.
Refuses to leave.
Even if she starts running, he steps on the pedal a tiny bit.
He just wants to ride right next to her, staring her down, going two miles per hour, never
saying a word.
Aloa naturally was terrified.
She would find all these new routes to take home so that she would try to escape him, that
he wouldn't come and see her out of school.
She would sneak around the alleyways, trying to find busy pockets where he can't even
write his motorcycle into.
It was absolutely utterly miserable.
Everywhere she went, she felt like she had eyes tracking her.
She would start second-guessing every word that she said, every facial expression that
she made, she felt the need to analyze things.
And to him, that's not even enough.
The phone at home would start ringing.
Aloa's mom, Anna, would pick up, hello?
If your daughter does not see me, I will take desperate measures.
Desperate.
Anna, Aloa's mom, would just hang up the phone.
Aloa's ex-boyfriend, Lyndon Berkey, always had a flare for being dramatic.
He would say these things he just really liked attention.
And worst-case scenario, maybe he would harm himself.
And that's a big problem.
But she doubted it.
But even if he did, is that really her problem?
Her priority is her child, and he's a full-grown adult.
Aloa, she felt like a hostage before she was even taken hostage.
A few weekends before Lyndon Berk walked into the apartment and slammed the door shut.
She was standing at a bus station, scrolling on her phone, when she feels something weird.
She feels watched.
She looks up and down the other side.
And then across the street, she sees Lyndon Berk just standing there, staring at her.
Her eyebrows crinkle.
She's holding onto multiple textbooks, heavy textbooks in her arms, and she's waiting
for the bus.
Or at least she thought, OK, maybe this will be a good shield, because Lyndon Berk is now
crossing the street and heading straight for her.
Get back together with me.
What?
No.
Aloa wasn't going to do that.
I made a lot of mistakes, but I love you.
You know that, right?
Aloa tried to ignore him.
She didn't want to talk to him or see him ever again.
She thought, OK, I thought I made this very, very clear.
The Lyndon Berk loses his temper, he just starts yelling, threatening her, slapping her
across the face, throwing her books all over the floor.
And Aloa just stands there, shocked.
This is the first time he's been violent with her, and she runs back home crying.
She runs into the family door, slams its shut, the picture frames on the walls are probably
shaking.
She books it straight for her room.
Her face is red, it's swollen from crying, and Douglas, Aloa's little brother tries
to knock on her door.
Are you OK?
Is everything alright in there?
She doesn't respond.
Douglas has a pretty strong gut feeling, like a very bad gut feeling about this one.
He thought Lyndon Berk was the one doing this to his sister.
So he decides to camp outside the apartment building to make sure that he doesn't show
up until his parents get home.
And Douglas would sit on the curb, angry with himself, because he was the one that introduced
20-year-old Lyndon Berk to his 12-year-old sister.
When Aloa's parents had gotten home, they were so enraged, they called Lyndon Berk and
they demanded an apology, and he just told them, well, I could do a whole lot worse.
Trust me.
Now in the tiny little apartment, Aloa is squeezed onto the bed with three of her friends.
She's trying to calm Lyndon Berk down, initially, very briefly.
She does try to tell him what he wants to hear.
Or at least what she thinks he wants to hear.
I mean, she doesn't really know for sure what to do in this type of situation.
Lyndon Berk is a lot of people use the word manic translated to describe him.
I try not to use that word lightly, but it's said that a lot of hostage takers do display
signs of mania during the first few hours.
There's a sense of barely contained chaos that's just ready to burst out.
They become almost to an unseason negotiator.
They seem a thousand percent entirely unpredictable.
I'll get back together with you.
It's going to be okay.
I can try to figure this out, calm down, and we can talk about it just you and I.
No.
Now I don't want that anymore.
I don't want you anymore.
I came here to kill you, and I'm going to kill you.
And then Lyndon Berk would have a new change of plans.
Either he was going to kill Aloa, or he was going to kill Aloa's friends in front of
Aloa so that Aloa could suffer, or he was going to kill all of them.
He looks around and he spots Naya Ra, the other girl hostage, the only other girl in the
apartment.
I'm going to kill her.
Naya Ra could feel it.
He was going to choose to kill her.
Lyndon Berk always complained to Aloa that she listened to Naya Ra too much, that Naya Ra
was a bad influence that always told her to break up with Lyndon Berk, but none of that
was even true.
But it's not like he cares, right?
He makes them all lay down.
He grabs shirts from the laundry, ties them together, uses them to tie up the hostages,
legs, and arms, and then they wait.
Do you know one of the first rules of hostage negotiations?
Chris Voss once said, me making you dumber than me will always hurt me.
But that doesn't mean you should know nothing, or you should know everything, right?
Or at least as much as you can, but never make the hostage takeer feel like you know something
that they don't know, that you know a lot more, that you're smarter than them.
You need to use every piece of information to your advantage and reveal it piece by piece,
bit by bit, by calculated controlled ways to the hostage takeer.
If you reveal too much information at once, you've shown them everything you have, and
you're putting them on the defense, they feel threatened, which is never good.
If you don't know much at all, well you're just flat out at a disadvantage.
The first things, hostage negotiators typically go for profiles.
Profiles of the hostage takeer and all the hostages and floor plans.
What does the inside of that apartment look like?
How was gate alerted of the hostage situation so early on?
There were four hostages in the apartment, all teenagers, a low ender, three friends.
One of the hostages, the guy one's, was named Victor.
Victor told his dad that he'd be coming home at around 5pm after spending the day at
a low-as-doing homework.
He never made it home.
Victor's dad being protective came to a low-as to see if something was keeping him.
He walked up to the apartment door.
Knock knock.
Nothing.
He had to turn and walk away, but he heard weird noises coming from the other side of the
door.
It's unclear what noises he heard, but it was enough to make him pause and go, that's
a bit strange.
That's what he said.
It just sounded strange.
He thought something wasn't right.
So whether he heard screaming or sounds of beating, I don't know, but he wanted to get
into that apartment.
So he tries to break down the door by kicking it in.
And someone on the other side of the door screams, who's out there?
Don't come near the door.
Don't try to do anything or else I will kill everyone in this room.
Victor's dad runs downstairs, fumbling with his phone, trying to call the police, but
there happened to be a police car sitting at the complex.
He flags down the officer, Sergeant Valeriano.
We're going to call him Sergeant V.
He gets out of his patrol car, makes his way to the apartment door, hoping that he's going
to de-escalate the situation.
But instead, he hears the same voice, get away or I'll kill them all.
Sergeant V pauses.
He's like, I need a moment to think because I can't act too rash.
Purpaturator fires in the direction of the door.
Thankfully nobody was hit.
Sergeant V gets on the radio to call for urgent backup.
Purpaturator hears the radio, is agitated, fires again through the door.
Thankfully he missed once more.
However, neighbors heard the commotion.
They start coming out of their units to investigate.
They call their friends from other apartment buildings, their buddies and their sisters
and brothers, some call the police, some call the journalists, and now they're forming
a small group at the base of the building to try and see if they can get into the unit
or see into the unit.
It is a live crowd watching a hostage situation.
So who's the main hostage in this case?
That's what the police need to know when they get on the scene.
And what did the hostage take her come for?
15-year-old, Aloa Pimentel.
Her classmates say that she's bright, happy, but incredibly shy.
She doesn't talk much.
These closes with her mom, they're practically joined at the hip before this.
Favorite activity was shoe shopping.
Aloa would be allowed to try on high heels and walk around the department store, like
a little fashion show.
Family dynamic.
Parents, Anna and Aldo.
Two younger brothers, Ronnixins and Douglas.
The whole family seems to know the hostage takeer.
His name is Lyndon Berg, likely introduced to the Pimentels through the little brother
Douglas, the younger brother of Aloa.
And Lyndon Berg, the hostage takeer.
Short tempered, he likes to play soccer, but neighbors say that all of his games are
cut short because he would get into a fist fight at the end.
He works two jobs, one as a delivery guy during the day, and at night he does pizza deliveries.
And right now, dangerous, armed with a giant plastic bag of ammunition, he came prepared.
It appears he went in with the intention of staying awhile.
It is likely that this situation was triggered by a breakup between the two of them.
And when I say those words, I'm not saying that's a reasonable reason.
That's not what I'm saying.
Lyndon Berg likely felt that this is why he had to do what he had to do.
That's what the hostage negotiators are also picking up on.
But some neighbors would report to the police that they saw this coming.
They said that every night Aloa's parents weren't home or they were asleep in their apartment.
Aloa and Lyndon Berg would meet in the parking lot and just scream, fight in each other's
faces.
And it was just always a strange pairing to begin with, the two of them.
Aside from the eight year age gap, they just weren't a pairing that made sense in everybody's
mind.
And that's what the opposite is.
But not in the cute, oh my God, there are each other's halves.
No, in the, she's way too good for him.
What does she even see in him?
She's incredibly sweet and he's just obnoxious and aggressive and just kind of vile.
And he's 20 and she's 12.
Exactly.
Like that again, that's just a side from the alarming, alarming age gap.
Obviously, Aloa's parents hated this relationship.
They were disgusted by it.
But I don't even think that they were thrilled that their son Douglas had a 20 year old friend.
But apparently they played soccer together and that's how they all met.
But this is their daughter and at first they thought absolutely not, we're going to do
whatever it takes to make sure she's not dating a 20 year old.
But it's not that easy.
When is the last time you told a 12 year old to stop doing something and they stopped doing
it?
Aloa's parents ran through all the different outcomes in their head and they're thinking,
okay, this is probably the safest.
We're going to let her date him.
But there's going to be a lot of rules.
Carefuse at 10.
You only meet in the house when you're on a date if it's just YouTube.
If you ever leave the house to go on a dinner date, a lunch date, a bowling date, you take
Douglas with you and the door always stays open.
That is the only way this is allowed because they didn't want her sneaking out and doing
these things.
So for the next two plus years, Aloa's parents actually started seeing Lyndon Berg as
one of their own kids.
He was just always around.
But there was this very unsettling incident.
Aloa's mom decided to have lunch with Lyndon Berg's mom one day and the kids are close,
but the families aren't that close.
It's like she was giving Aloa's mom a warning.
She said, he can be an altered person.
He likes to play the role of head of the house.
And unfortunately, Aloa's parents didn't know this, but from the very beginning of their
relationship, obviously it was all about power.
I mean, Lyndon Berg is eight years older than Aloa.
You don't date someone who's 12 when you're 20 unless you're sick in the head, but also
you have a weird, strong yearning for power.
That type of power dynamic is just bizarre.
It is almost complete and total power that you're chasing.
And the rules were as follow.
Aloa is never to speak to a friend without him present, even if it's a girlfriend.
So long as Lyndon Berg is not there, why should Aloa be enjoying herself?
Why should she be even talking?
At all.
Family dinners?
Same thing.
If Lyndon Berg isn't invited, is it really a family dinner?
Why would Aloa need to attend?
If she wanted to do anything other than study sleeper, just sit there staring at the wall,
thinking about Lyndon Berg, Lyndon Berg should know about it, approve it, and better yet,
be there for it.
Aloa was not allowed to do anything without his presence.
Those are some insane rules to even try and enforce, which ironically, Lyndon Berg of
course did not abide by the same rules.
But an anonymous friend stated that Lyndon Berg was always at the club on the weekends
without Aloa.
The only reason that the relationship lasted three years was because Lyndon Berg is a master
manipulator.
He would love Bama Loa break up with her, make it seem like she was the horrendous one,
and that she had broken his heart.
Then the next day, he would come back begging for forgiveness, or sometimes, he would just
talk to her the next day as if they didn't break up last night.
And she would just be so confused.
This constant back and forth was the crazy push and pull experience that Lyndon Berg had
complete power over until one day Aloa was over it.
She's like, I'm not doing this anymore.
She went to her mom's room one night, and her mom's like, what's wrong, sweetie?
Mom, you're right.
I don't want to date anymore.
I just want to focus on studying and focus on my friendships.
Aloa did not tell her all of these other details.
These would come out later.
So once the police, they gather all this information, then they're working to calm down the press,
the public, the families, and anyone else that could be watching the police from the news.
We were that the agents even deliver to a journalist has to be super calculated.
Likely, the hostage taker is listening, the family members of the hostage taker, and
the hostages are listening.
Everybody's involved.
It's very delicate.
The police stood in front of the press.
We have a lot of different tactics that could be used in this case.
And if there are signs that the hostages' lives are in danger, we will take more drastic
measures.
But in our current situation, the best we can do is move on with the negotiations.
We are optimistic that we will solve this situation.
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is that okay to do no but he's doing everyone's doing it I don't know if they just didn't have the appropriate laws and the police could not control the journalist if that happened in America it would be crazy yeah it might have happened in America I feel
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these journalists don't have that kind of training even the questions that he was asking if you listen back they're instigating him they're making him get riled up why would you do that so does does lindenburg know that these are journalists reporters he knows okay and he knows that they're being aired and he actually quite likes it
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in the next minutes he will come out into we're getting a call she hops on the call with lindenburg look let me ask you something lindenburg are you afraid that the police are going to shoot you because that's not going to happen
why would you ask that like what a way to peak someone's anxiety and not do a whole lot to calm them down are you afraid of being shot on site don't worry it's not going to happen even though there's armed officers everywhere pointing guns at you even I just showed a montage of it on my news network of snipers being pointed at you but don't worry it's not going to happen okay but are you scared tell me how scared you are
lindenburg responds no I'm not scared because before coming into this I already knew the risk I was aware of what could happen to me now explain something to me lindenburg I think the whole nation watching you know wants to know you told the other journalist that you want nothing to do with a low
anymore so why did you go in the apartment what did you want from this is this revenge I wanted to resolve things with her I tried to sit with her to talk things through but she always turned her back to me and didn't want to listen so I had to use force to make her listen I understand
but did you talk to her did you tell her everything you put in there for more than 30 hours now I think you've had enough time to tell everything that you wanted no
a lot is not cooperating among the four people who were here with me everyone was cooperating but a lot she's just starting to cooperate now how did she not cooperate was she too nervous to do so yes and one time she came up and tried some bullshit trying to take the gun out of my hand the gun went off inside the apartment
wow good lord wow if she tries to take the gun from my hands I will shoot what did you want to say to a low I can you tell us I don't think so this is between me and a low I understand this is very intimate thing between the two of you
right did you already tell her everything that you wanted to say so now she's cooperating we're able to clear things up about the breakup I had this conversation with her and before you called me here we were talking things over
but every time we sit down to talk one of us always ends up stressing out about things and then we have to take a break for things to not get to heated I think it's all just very difficult right now I know but what do you want from a low I now I want her to be calm I want her to make me feel calm
and then I will accept anything that the negotiators stay for her to get out of here alive so what days is this now like still first day second day 30 hours in 30 hours in
the police are okay with them calling in there not do anything about it they try to get them to stop but they can't really control every single journalist and I guess the journalist are not scared of any legal repercussions I mean even in the end the journalist they just get slapped with a fine
that's about it and this is crazy I mean their ratings were through the roof whoever had these conversations with Lyndon Berg who ever had exclusive footage through the roof
so you would say it seems like you are willing to kill a lower and that's not true I know you're not that kind of person Lyndon Berg you're not understanding this for her to get out alive I have no intention of killing her I'm not trying to kill her no I'm not saying that you are trying to kill her I said that when you say it like that like if a low I need to get out alive the police need to do this
people might misinterpret it and I know that you don't mean it that way you're not that kind of person we both want both of you unharmed correct people might not believe me but right now I'm not even thinking about me I'm thinking about a low as life I believe that I believe it I really do and have you been sleeping did you manage to rest no one is telling me about my mother I want to hear from my mother I want to take this opportunity to tell my mom that everything that's going to happen is the best possible way now a low is going to get out of here I'm going to get out of here and everything will be fine but it depends on the off
officers down there they must not pull that shit again I don't want anyone to come near this apartment what if I open the door and there's just one of them waiting for me outside and shoots me I know how they are they're smart I'm scared no Lyndon Berg no don't be scared unfortunately I just don't trust the police you can be rest assured that the whole nation is praying for you to not just for her but for you to everyone is worried about you Lyndon Berg because all the information we got is that you're a good person so no one understands what I'm saying I'm not going to do it I'm not going to do it I'm not going to do it I'm not going to do it I'm not going to do it I'm not going to do it I'm not going to do it I'm not going to do it I'm not going to do it I'm not going to do it I'm not going to do it I'm not going to do it I'm not going to do it I'm not going to do it I'm not going
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Are you operating? Did you eat lunch? Yes, I ate. And how are you? Your voice sounds better. And how is Lyndon Berg? He said that you already talked about the breakup is Lyndon Berg hearing us right now. Yes, he's hearing us. Does he know about his sister's message? What message? We heard it just now. We heard that his sister Lyndon Berg sister Suzie said that if she could talk to Lyndon Berg right now she would ask him to turn himself in as soon as possible because their mom and his other sisters are suffering a lot. She said that you two had always gotten along just fine.
She said that she has nothing bad to say about him. He doesn't drink or smoke. She even thought that the two of you would eventually get back together. She told us that Lyndon Berg is the youngest of the siblings only 22 years old. And he had dreams about getting married, having a family, owning a house one day. And she wants to talk to him if possible. She wants to put an end to this quickly because it's a lot of suffering. You know. So it's like a lot of talking but the message is unclear right. It's not
like moving this into like a solution. It's just a lot of like, oh my god, family, sister, mother, like is that what's happening? They just want to like create a story. What's going on?
They want to create a story. The message is very unclear. And it's kind of crazy that even with the journalist they have the opportunity to talk to the hostage. And just on a human to human level.
Okay, I understand that they're trying to do their jobs right and maybe their livelihoods are on the line. But on a human to human level, would you not want to know how the hostage is doing and ask questions about them or give them things that reassure them. But even in this opportunity, she's still talking about Lyndon Berg.
Like a low is nobody to anybody. That was one thing that a lot of netizens were upset with like this whole conversation with Sonya. The fact that she's able to get a low on the phone, which hostage takers typically do not let you talk to hostages often. And you're still talking about he had dreams of a family.
It's like everything is painting Lyndon Berg to be a good person who did something bad.
Yeah, but I think that that is trying not to triggering him to do more bad things. Yes, but it actually backfired. Let me tell you how. So all the press they're going around painting Lyndon Berg as a 22 year old star cross lover. Correct.
Now a lot of the older general public because they didn't know the outcome. They didn't know better. They didn't know the full story. They're just seeing little snippets on the news and what the host are telling them they believed that is also true.
The police said because of that they could not be more aggressive with Lyndon Berg because it would backfire on them because if everybody has the perception that this is a young boy, they kept using the word boy in all the news stations.
A young boy who just loves a girl and is having a breakdown and is going to regret this and they shoot him on site out the window.
Who's going to get fired? Who's going to get fired? Yeah, so that's what the police argue later. So they're saying it was like this very toxic cycle of like nothing was getting done by anybody at this point because of how publicized it was in real time.
The police even asked the journalists get all the footage you want just air it when we resolve it like immediately after air everything unedited on cut raw footage whatever.
But there's nothing they can do to stop them. No, that's crazy. Yeah, it's just so bizarre.
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Lyndon break takes the phone back when a low it gets out she's going to take the two guns that I have and no ammunition and I will come out with my hands up.
If someone shoots me, no one's going to shoot you for God's sake. Don't think that way. We want a happy ending this to this story. And it's not just me. Everyone out there.
At least have no intention of taking anyone's life on the contrary. They have no reason to take your life. Lyndon Burke don't think like that.
So you have family members of the hostages press journalist camera crew trying to get better positioning near the building to get a slightly better shot gate hostage negotiation teams tactical teams local police departments neighbors.
Just any other passerby that just wants to be there just a few floors down in an open space right underneath the building where a mad gunman is armed with two guns and a baggy of ammo.
There's just no way that this is going to end well. And it doesn't so whether it was for show or show proof of life or to get media attention on this case.
Lyndon Burke would periodically force a low at a wave out the window. He would use her head to cover his head so a sniper could not get a good shot. He would hold her in place by her neck with a gun pointed at her back.
He would force her to stick her head out the window and wave. Sometimes it was a thumbs up. And it was almost always clear that her condition was degrading over time. It was getting worse.
She's yeah she looks bruised she looks abused she looks mentally exhausted she looks emotionally traumatized to the fullest extent.
So you're saying our 30 in and he's talking to these reporters saying that he's going to let her out and he's going to walk out. He doesn't want anything. There's no demands. That's it. But he's never doing it.
Yes. And a lot of speculation is because he really enjoyed the media coverage. He wanted more and more interviews. Actually when he starts negotiating again with hostage negotiators is when journalists are kind of sick of the same interviews over and over.
They want new information. They want new developments. They don't want to hear the same thing from him. That's when he starts going back to the negotiators.
So it's just absolute chaos. It's just so messy and Lyndon Berger is becoming increasingly unhinged after our 30. There were girls that were coming up to his window saying like we love bad boys. We love you.
But then another group of girls saw that got really upset and they came next to the window and said you're a freaking monster. And you deserve like punishment.
He opened the window. Stuck out his gun and open fire. He was irritated. Yeah. Very irritated. How is there like girls even allowed to go there and why are they saying that? Like I love bad boys.
So okay. We did research into it. And I was thinking maybe it's the and I'm going to mispronounce this word. Okay. It's like hysterical. It's when serial killers have wives in prison.
It's like there is an attraction to the dark criminals because you feel like they're going to kill other people but they're not going to kill me. I'm different. I'm special. It's definitely something is not.
You know, it's not a normal feeling to have. Maybe it's also the media coverage. Yes. So I was debating like is it that? And I was trying to look into it and cross reference like what they were saying with what a lot of these people feel in their symptoms. And it wasn't matching.
So I think it's more so with the media coverage. They really marketed him as just like this boy that's so in love. And it's like of course every girl wants to have someone who's so in love with her.
So it really the media marketing on this one is just foul. Fortunately nobody got hurt but things are quickly escalating.
Lyndon Burg is opening fire on innocent people. I mean, it's truly mayhem at this point. He just randomly decides to throw soccer team jerseys outside the window. Nobody knows why the crowd is cheering when there's like their shots fired their crowds cheering.
There's girls screaming. I love bad boys. It's chaos. The soccer coach for that team that national team shows up and is like, Hey, can I help negotiate? And they're like, um, I think we're okay. Like he was just incredibly messy.
And this sounds like there's nobody's taking charge of this. No. And Lyndon Burg's sister also arrives at the scene to try and talk to him. They brought an attorney to help negotiate for better conditions for Lyndon Burg if he gets arrested.
I tried to tell the press. My brother is a very nice and calm person. He just got depressed after the breakup. I think he's making the biggest dumbest mistake of his life and she's not worth it. Nobody is. She's going to get out of there and his life is going to be ruined.
She's not worth it. Yeah. Yeah. That is crazy.
So everything is escalating out of control. The negotiators realize the biggest mistake that they have is that they can't see in the apartment. They can't get a clear view. The whole apartment is blocked. The windows when they're not open their blocks.
They can't get a camera in there. They can only call Lyndon Burg picks up sometimes and they hope that when he picks up he wants to talk. He wants to tell them what's going on. Meanwhile, Lyndon Burg can see everything going on outside.
He can see what the police are saying with their prepping how they're stationed around the building who they're investigating with their strategy is how they think he can see what the public wants the authorities to do.
Is it time to storm in? Do they want Lyndon Burg to be freed and given a slap on the wrist because you know he's just a boy. He's just a boy in love. They can't see but Lyndon Burg can see them. There's one easy way to fix that.
Everyone has their cameras pointed up at the apartment hoping to get another money shot of a low out the window and then it goes dark. The power was shut off by gate agents in most hostage situations.
This is a tactic that is frequently used. It's just to make their lives more inconvenient forces them to negotiate and it's interesting. Sometimes you take away something. Give it back. But with enough mind games, you actually make the hostage taker feel like you're giving them something.
But in reality, you took it away and you're just giving it back. You're using it as I will give you this for that. But you they already had that. It's crazy. Yeah, so that's why they do that. But it seems like for this situation, it's they turned it off so that he can't watch the news and Lyndon Burg is pissed. He calls the turn the fucking lights back on.
I will, but let's talk turn the fucking light on otherwise I'll start hitting the girls. I'm going to start tagging these girls. The girls are going to suffer and pay close attention. Aloha starts screaming in the background of the call begging him to stop.
Lyndon Burg is literally assaulting Aloha while on the phone with the negotiators. Now after the power goes out, Aloha's mom gets another call this time from Aloha.
She almost drops her phone trying to answer it as quickly as possible. Honey, are you okay? Mom, do you trust me? Of course I trust you. I always trust you. So please tell them to turn the power back on. Aloha's mom didn't know what to do or even what to say because on one hand, she knows Aloha is in danger.
She doesn't do anything. On the other hand, she knows that Lyndon Burg is forcing her to call her right now. If the power is back on, if he gets what he wants is Aloha's mom helping prolong the situation is Aloha's mom helping him win.
Before she can respond, her husband Aloha's dad grabs the phone and screams, no honey, they can't turn it back on. They can't. And the line goes dead.
The hour 32 mark in exchange is made an eye for an eye will not entirely, but it's something the negotiators will turn the lights back on and then then burg will open the door to the apartment.
Someone is seen running down the hallway to the stairs. The pacing gets faster and faster down the stairs and into the crowd of people surrounding that person outside. Her family is surrounding her smelling her hair, making sure it's her.
There's scanning her entire body looking for any serious wounds, journalists are trying to squeeze through each other trying to get the best angle, best shot, the police need to rush her to the hospital.
Nayara was freed. Meaning the only one left in the apartment now was Aloha with Lyndon Burg. Some saw it as a good sign. The two boys, Nayara, they're all out. Some say, that means Aloha's gonna be out.
Others said, no, he went in there for Aloha. That's what he went for to begin with. That's the only one he cared about when he took them hostage. His words in the beginning were, I'm gonna kill her.
10pm, the lights turn back on. 11.30pm, the door opens, Nayara runs out of the complex.
She is rushed to the hospital with minor injuries. She is processing a lot of trauma. The hostage negotiators talked her for six hours after her release and they just want to know everything.
They want to be filled in for the past 34 hours. He kept the girls apart every day who would put one in the bedroom, one in the living room. They were both tied up blindfolded. They couldn't see anything but the back of the blindfold.
Throughout the day, Nayara would hear sounds of Lyndon Burg beating Aloha and Aloha would scream for help. He was screaming at her, punching her, kicking her.
Then it would stop. In a split second, not even a full second, he would be like, please kiss me. Kiss me right now. He would go from beating Aloha to being like, can you kiss me? But she kept denying him.
It got to the point, Nayara, the best friend just screamed, just do it Aloha. Please just kiss him. You're gonna die.
But she refused. He was having severe mood swings. In the middle of a casual conversation with the girls, he would just start threatening them. But it's not like he was on drugs or anything. He had a lack of sleep. He almost never slept. He would take sporadic cat naps, really light. Every morning, he was oddly very full of energy. It just didn't make any sense. He was very erratic.
Also, after he lets Nayara out, briefly, the news was talking about how the police stated it was an exchange for the power being turned back on. Literally an exchange of power. But Lyndon Burg really did not like that. He would call up the journalist and let it be known that is not why he let out Nayara.
He said he let out Nayara because Nayara has a very bad relationship with her father. Her father had walked out on the family years ago, had no contact with any of his children. He found out that Nayara was being held hostage so he drove all the way back into town and was waiting outside.
And he thought perhaps it could be reunited. Perhaps this would teach Nayara's father what it means to be a good dad to value your child. It's an experience of you didn't know what you had until you lost it. That is why he let her out.
It's not for the power that he really desperately wanted to be turned back on. No. It was because he related to her story. He just wanted the family unit to be strong.
He said my mom was my mom and my dad for me. I didn't grow up with my father but there's still time for Nayara's father to mend their relationship.
I looked at her and she was crying. So I told Nayara that I was going to give her a chance. I'm going to let her go and give her father a chance to be there for her.
Just bringing her into this world does not make you a father. A father has to care.
They still want to be a hero. Yeah. And the police are like that's not true at all. And even the journalists are calling him out on it because they're like and it didn't touch you when a lot talked about her family on the phone and she said, mom, I love you dad. I love you don't worry about me. It'll be okay.
At that moment, they're desperate to that didn't touch you. Your sisters are desperate for you to be let out. None of that touches you. Like it doesn't make any sense.
So that's a narrative he's trying to push. They also ask him how the police are doing with him and negotiations and he's just really upset. He feels like the police are constantly lying to him.
Now, lying to a hostage taker as a negotiator is one of the worst things that you can do even if it's unintentional. So the reason he feels like they're lying is because he told them nobody is allowed to approach the apartment.
At one point, a police officer did approach the apartment. He was very upset about that. But according to Chris Vos, the FBI negotiator, he said, first of all, there is a chance that the hostage taker is a really good liar.
A far better liar than you will ever be and they will spot it right off the bat. Second, they could be learning you into a trap to test if you will lie to them.
They already know the truth. They're testing to see if you're gonna lie. And third, even if you pull it off, chances are they're gonna find out before the situation has been resolved.
And now, not only will this hostage taker not trust you, the next one won't either because I'm sure they do their research. Your reputation is not gonna be to be trusted. And if that happens, you lose.
8.30am, the next day, Nayara almost screams when her grandma comes into her room to wake her up. The police wanna talk to you.
This is already after her six hour interrogation. We'll interview. Nayara hurries to get dressed. She brushes to the command center, which is just their school and the gate agents surround her.
Nayara's mom is there and they're all really concerned like, what do the police even want from her at this point? What more can she provide sure to told them everything that she knows?
We need you to go back in there.
What? Nayara's moms. Nayara's moms eyes are just like bulging out of her. Excuse me. This is a 15 year old we're talking about that just went through something traumatic. What are you asking of her right now?
This is the only way to save a low as life. But Nayara will be secure the whole time. She's not actually going back into the apartment. She's not going to be alone.
Lyndon broke personally requested a low as little brother Douglas as well. Lyndon broke had told the negotiators that he was ready to turn himself in. And he was just really scared that he was going to get shot on site the minute that he exit at the door.
He can't just use a low as body to shield him. It's not enough. So he wants Nayara to meet him at the front door. He's gonna use both Nayara's body and a low as body to walk all the way down the steps.
And because a low and needs medical attention, he's going to throw a low on the ground and then use Douglas's body to shield him. Douglas and Nayara's and then eventually I guess the police will handcuff him.
They don't need to shoot him to kill him and everything will be okay. He will survive.
So he wants two more people the brother and Nayara to be back. Okay.
So the brother is to stand at the bottom of the staircase. Nayara is to go to the front door. Everyone is stationed and we're ready to go. Nayara is 15. She has an emotional stuffed animal.
And she is on the phone with Lyndon Burke while she is physically walking putting one foot in front of the other back to the place that she was just held hostage 12 hours ago.
Wow. Oh, Nayara called Lyndon Burke. Well, as she's walking up the steps. Hi, Nayara. Everything okay over there? Are you okay already? Yeah, I'm okay. Are you calm? Everything is okay. Are you gonna do what you said you're gonna do this time? Yes, I will. Do you trust me, Nayara? Yeah, I trust you.
Lyndon Burke let's, Nayara, talk to Aloa to let her know that he's serious this time. Hi, love. How are you doing? Aloa says, are you gonna come up? Yeah, I will. I am at the front door soon. Don't let any of the police officers up. Okay? Okay. No one, please.
Is Nayara calm? Yeah, she's calm. That's crazy brave for her to do this. Yeah, she doesn't have to do it. Yeah.
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