There's simply no way around the numbers.
Donald Trump's approval rating in his second term has completely collapsed.
New polling shows President Trump's approval rating has taken a hit.
This new polling shows that President Trump's disapproval rating has hit a record high.
With his approval rating now sinking to a new low.
But some groups matter more than others, and one group matters a whole lot.
That's young men.
Take a look at this stat.
In 2024, men under 30 prefer Donald Trump to Kamala Harris by about one percentage point.
But in recent polling this year, men under 30 have widely disapproved of Donald Trump.
And his approval rating is underwater by 55 points, a stunning decline.
Now, I wanted to dig in further with these numbers at an event that was specifically geared to target this group.
So I went to Washington, D.C. for Donald Trump's UFC event to talk to young men about the president.
Do we think he's still cool?
Have young men really turned on Donald Trump?
Let's dig in.
Why did y'all decide to come out today?
Oh, proud to be American.
We got free tickets.
It's just going to be a great time.
That's about it.
One question we have is, would you say you're here for Trump or UFC?
UFC.
UFC all the way.
UFC.
UFC has a lot of culture, a lot of different people from a lot of different places, and that's what America is to me.
You definitely see diversity.
You definitely see a lot of different types of people.
You see a different type of vibe.
But one of the things that is really clear is like, you know, Trump used UFC to kind of pitch himself to young men in the campaign trail and things like that.
And there seems to be that like younger men really liked him in 2024-ish.
Do y'all think that's true?
And then like, is that still true?
I feel like he just knows how to advertise himself to the younger crowd.
Why do we think Trump and men seem to have a connection?
I mean, I guess his views.
What do you mean?
That's a good question.
I'm like, why do we think this is true, right?
Yeah, just the way he views everything, I guess, is similar with how younger people...
It aligns with masculinity, I feel like, to a certain extent.
Like, is it how he talks?
Is it the policy?
Like, what would we say specifically?
Well, at first, it was what he was promising to America, but... What do you mean?
He was promising lower prices on everything.
We didn't know wars were gonna start with other countries.
And it's like, the younger generation, they see this stuff, they see everything online, and it's like...
He was promising change.
Yeah, promising, yeah, big change.
Yeah, absolutely.
Yeah, exactly.
Question I have is, has he lived up to that?
No.
No, I wouldn't say so.
Not at all.
I'm disappointed.
We're disappointed.
Guess what I was going to ask about.
You mentioned no new wars.
You mentioned kind of, I mean, gas price, whatever, whatever you want to make.
I'm like, what do you think has been the disconnect in the second term?
I'm middle class.
I want things that affect my life.
I want to see change in my regular day to day.
It's like, and I don't see that.
You mentioned disappointed.
Why?
Just because he's not living up to what he said he was going to do.
You know, he said he was anti-war.
You know, he said he was going to lower prices.
And we're just not like that result is just not happening.
You know, we're not seeing it.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
I mean, do you all feel the same way?
I'm not saying, yeah, absolutely.
Prices are ridiculous.
Gas is, don't even get me started on gas.
I don't even want to fill my gas tank no more.
It's crazy, man.
Trump definitely used to seem cool.
Like, do we think he's still cool, question mark?
I feel like after, you know, the Epstein files and everything should have just like ramped up with how he's been acting.
I feel like it was a lot more, you know, chill before that.
I feel like everything he's doing now is like negate that, like what happened with that part.
Like what we say that the Epstein files you think was the break between like maybe when some of this.
There was a lot of things.
I think the wars.
I think that definitely separated a lot of people, especially young people, you know, because no one likes pedophiles, you know, no one likes to that.
And the way that it's portrayed, at least it seems like there's trying to be some sort of cover up.
Yeah.
Yeah.
OK, last question would be like, do the ways that Trump was trying to appeal to young men and pitch himself, like, does that apply to people after him?
Like, can J.D.
Vance do the same thing?
Do y'all like these?
Is there another politician, maybe even not Republican, that you like the way they're acting?
Or is this like a specific Trump phenomenon?
Thomas Bassett.
Thomas Massey, interesting.
Anyone else who you see across the landscape and you're like, I like that person?
I mean, I don't really keep up with politics, to be honest.
So I feel like even if someone does do this after Trump, it just won't be at the scale that Trump did it at.
Because he feels unique in some way.
Yeah, absolutely.
In the celebrity or in all of that parts.
Okay, cool.
I will say I really like Mount Dominion, though.
You like mayor of New York, Zoran?
Yes, sir.
Uh-huh.
I have to disagree with you.
Well, respectful disagreement.
Well, respectful.
I mean, she can't disagree.
If there's one issue you would want Trump to focus on that he hasn't, what would it be?
Quarantine to Israel.
You want to see, I imagine, less.
A lot less.
I feel like, you know, there's stuff going on over there.
It's serious stuff.
People are dying and it just shouldn't be happening.
We're paying for that as taxpayers.
Is there any other issue you would want him to focus on that he's not focusing on right now?
Main thing, yeah, Israel.
It's just Israel, really.
We don't want conflicts.
And I feel like a lot of young people are on the same page with that.
It's a big thing for the young voters.
It does seem as if, like,
You know, if Epstein was maybe break one, then Iran war and specific relationship to Israel has been a major break in terms of this year.
Have you seen people talk about him differently or like feel him differently about him since that stuff has popped off?
Everyone.
Just keep America first, you know?
Like, keep our priorities in America.
That's all it is.
I care about my family.
I care about my country.
I want people to be safe and happy where they live.
I care about my wallet, too, man.
Country, family, wallet, in some order.
In some order.
Tell me your name.
You can call me Eddie.
Eddie?
Jose.
Jose.
So would you say you came for Trump or you came for UFC?
I came for the UFC.
I know a lot of people are hating about he's doing it at the White House and stuff like that, but I think it's just a one-of-a-lifetime opportunity to happen, so that's why we came here.
Yeah, what about you?
I feel like it's the environment.
I feel like this is like once an opportunity, we can come and, you know, come to a historic place and we get to see something that we really like, like UFC.
Do you like Trump?
To be honest, nah.
But, I mean, he is the president of the United States, so at the end of the day, you still got to accept that he's the president and respect him.
What about you?
I do not.
I do not agree with any of the things that he has, you know, done or said or what he's, you know, going for, but...
I think it's pretty cool that he likes the fights, that he likes UFC, you know, and all that.
He like that?
Yeah, I think that's, you know, like, if anybody likes UFC, I think, you know...
The mayor of New York, he was at the Brazil game.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, Zoran was at the World Cup event.
You're saying it's kind of like the same, Trump coming to this versus him going to the World Cup?
I'm assuming that there's people that also don't like the New York mayor, but, you know...
Pretty cool that he likes the FIFA game.
Because one thing is like, Democrats don't really do UFC.
They don't do anything like that, you know?
If Kamala Harris was president, I doubt that there would be a UFC event.
On the White House, right?
I'm saying, like, do you think that's a missed opportunity for them to speak to people like y'all?
Yeah, it might be.
Yeah, like,
That's why I'm saying, like, those people, like, if anything, like, let's say Kamala doesn't like that, but if she has people on her team that like that, you know, they can always, you know, promote that and stuff.
Yeah.
Okay, last question.
If you have one issue you will want politicians to focus on, what would it be?
Gas prices.
Gas prices.
Gas prices.
It's bad.
I would say gas prices.
Who do you blame for that?
I'm like, I'm like...
You can't, it is the president, but it's also the things that he's doing with the war and stuff like that.
I think we should focus more on the US than the other countries.
Would you say you're here for Trump or UFC?
Oh, I'd say a little bit of both, you know.
Does the political angle, did it make you more excited or less excited to come?
It'd be even more exciting, you know, many people don't like Trump.
It's his birthday, he's the president, it's the greatest country on earth, so we're here to celebrate that and watch a grown man fight.
Did y'all vote for Trump?
I'm 18, so I just turned 18, so I did not have the pleasure of being able to vote back in the last election.
What'd you have?
I'd have to think about that.
In my opinion, especially with people my age, I think we all think that the two sides were too extreme.
And if someone was in the middle, I definitely would have voted for them.
But honestly, I might not have voted.
What do you think?
Did you vote?
I voted for Kanye.
Why is that?
Same reason.
I think they're both extreme.
They take it to the next level.
Do we think Trump is, do you like him more or less than his first term?
I mean, obviously, I like the UFC, so I like that a lot.
He's doing that.
Political-wise, I mean, I'd say less.
I'd say a little less, but I do like things he's doing, like this, obviously.
That does change my opinion.
It does work to change people's opinion.
You're saying this, this reached you, but you like him a little less this time than last time.
I'd say a little bit, yeah.
One thing that really came up in the last election was about young men and Trump.
Like, there was a whole thing about, like, folks like y'all, y'all's age, like, being really interested in Trump.
And in some ways, it feels as if young men and Trump was a specific relationship in the last cycle.
I agree that more men think, like, I think
I guess more masculine, they think, to vote Republican than Democrat.
Why do we think that is?
I feel like more Democrat, they view it towards the LGBTQ community.
And most masculine men don't want to be a part of that.
So they go to the other side.
Even they don't look at the politics.
Politics aside, they don't want to be associated with gay people.
So I feel that could be a reason.
Yeah, a small reason.
So three big takeaways after talking to young men outside of Donald Trump's UFC event.
The first is that a lot of these boys are here for the sport, not necessarily the president.
They recognize the political aspect, but they're largely here because they're fans of fighting.
The second thing, though,
Is that those things are kind of related things.
As Donald Trump has gone from the fringe to the mainstream, so has UFC itself, and a lot of the fans of the sport really appreciate him backing them over a long period of time.
But the third thing is the most important, particularly about politics, because I keep hearing from boys that they feel a little differently about Donald Trump in his second term than the first term.
They feel like he hasn't necessarily focused on the right priorities.
And even the things that made him a model man or semi-cool
Have fallen off the second time he's been in office.
So I'm going to dig further into that by someone who lives in the alt-right manosphere.
I'm going to talk to Jack Posobiec, the far-right activist and podcaster who will be at this event and who I talked to a couple years ago.
I remember at that time he told me that the best way to understand Donald Trump is to think about a fighter.
And so what better place to follow up on that conversation?
Let's talk to him.
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I've always thought that the way he looks at these things are, he's got a challenge directly in front of him, and he's thinking, how do I take that down?
And you look at his background with WWF,
Yep.
There's a lot of that DNA that went into the campaign, that went into the admin.
And I just I've always thought that that's what President Trump's mentality, Donald Trump, the man's mentality was.
I mean, it also seems like an element of showmanship that's built into that WWE that Donald Trump understands.
Like, look at this.
It goes without saying.
It goes without saying.
The showmanship, the walkout themes, which obviously he uses at his rallies.
It's fun to see it done.
People don't realize that behind stage at those rallies, he's directing all that.
The other thing I think about is kind of the masculinity projection.
People we're talking to here say that, like, you know, there's a special relationship between men and Trump, that he understands them.
Like, what do you think that means?
What is that?
He did stop the only two women who ran for president, you know.
I mean, I understand.
So I'm saying that seems built in the cost, too.
I'm saying, like, what is it about Donald Trump as a guy that guys like?
Look at his background, right?
He's always been around with boxing, Don King, Iron Mike Tyson back in the day, Vanderholt.
Even his hip hop stuff.
Even the hip hop stuff.
He's always been sort of attracted to that masculine figure, physicality, always been around with sports.
So like sports are just back in such a big way right now.
And Trump was always a big part of that, including, by the way,
Getting UFC off the ground.
And Dana White tells the story all the time that nobody would give them assurance until Trump came along and said, you know what?
Let's give it a shot, right?
They started as non-mainstream, non-establishment, outside of the Overton window of discussion.
But they connected with the people in a way that WWF connects with the people.
You go and look at the places that pro wrestling goes and holds their events, not just their Raws and their WrestleManias, but the house shows, the shows that don't even make it on TV.
And then you go and cross-section that, cross-reference that with MAGA rallies.
Mm-hmm.
The same group of people, the same sort of culture that speaks to each other.
You may not have a pro sports team in your town, but you know what?
When WWF comes to town, you can see Hulk Hogan body slam the giant.
You might be able to go see Donald Trump come in and he's gonna come as the New York City Fifth Avenue billionaire.
He's gonna come and see you and show that you matter.
Yeah, you're right.
There was a lot of outcry about, you know, UFC on the lawn.
But I hear what you're saying, that it's about bringing a culture that mostly lives in communities that necessarily don't have big sporting event, major sports team and bringing
That to the White House.
And you're saying that's what Donald Trump has done is serve those communities.
So he's always had that sort of authenticity that connects directly.
So it doesn't surprise me at all that he would say, you know what, I'm here.
I'm in the big place right now.
I want to bring all my friends in together and do this.
I want to, though, ask about what's changed, maybe from first term Trump to second term Trump.
Because one of the things we heard, even to talking to some of the young men here, was that they feel like Trump's a little less cool now than they may have liked him four years ago.
Like, what do you think is any difference between Trump's connection with those people now than maybe those young men who supported him in 2024, but are a little softer now?
Because we talked to some of them.
I hear that a lot of people saying, especially young men saying, look, you know, we want more focus on domestic.
Yeah.
We heard that a lot to that.
Whereas and I'm sure you did.
I'm sure you do.
I hear the exact same thing.
And I communicate that to the White House whenever I talk to whoever I talk to in there.
You know, whoever's listening that it's hey, they want more focus on domestic, whereas they see the foreign stuff.
They say, you know, whether I'm for it or against it, I just want to see stuff that affects me directly.
And that's what I hear over and over and over again.
It's that, Epstein, and, you know, just gas price, whatever it is.
And so I think that an event like today is going to be something, hopefully, kind of maybe restart that connection a little more.
Yeah, so you seem to be acknowledging that there is a little bit of a break in that connection, or at least some of the young men who was such a strength for Donald Trump in 2024, it seems like you're acknowledging they might be a little softer on him now.
I hear it all the time.
I hear it all the time.
I mean, isn't there a kind of a fair argument that Donald Trump came in on prices, came into lower prices, and they're not lower?
Inflation just hit a record high since those kind of Biden years.
Like, what's happened there?
Well, I think what the president would say is that's the price of getting Iran off the table as an international threat.
So I acknowledge it.
I acknowledge it, of course.
Gas prices are up.
They are coming down.
But that is the price for this.
Will that be in time for the midterms to have that, you know, have that softening effect?
We'll see.
Yeah.
But I think at the end of the day, the president's looking at when he leaves office at the end of 28, allegedly, you know, or I guess, you know, January 29, that, you know, that he'll be able to say, hey, I took Iran off the world.
Stage as this international threat.
You know, I'm going to trust the process on that.
But I certainly acknowledge that there's friction, there's pain points.
Absolutely.
Cool.
The second thing that I want to bring up is Epstein, because that came up with some of the young men here.
Like, has it been surprising that Donald Trump has not seemed to follow through on the scope of transparency that he's promised?
Look, I want to see everything that's come out.
I mean, everybody knows my background with this.
I was going to say, like, as the Pizzagate guy.
I mean, like, the whole thing with the Pam Bondi gave us the binders and said, oh, this is going to be the big thing, and here they come.
It said, okay, but you always said that was part one.
That would lead one to think there's going to be part two, part three, part et cetera, however many it is until we get all the way out.
I think that if the administration had just said, you know what?
Just rip the Band-Aid off.
Just rip the Band-Aid off.
Just bring it all out.
Just throw in all the fouls.
It's going to happen eventually.
Why not be the ones to come out and say, look, we want to have all of this out.
There's so much of an appetite for it.
And I'll tell you why, because the crimes that have been alleged and substantiated even to this point are so horrendous, so heinous that it's just become this, I guess, avatar, I guess, of the elites versus the people kind of thing that we're talking about.
That if you don't release it, it becomes...
It becomes he's on the side of the elites.
What I was going to say is it becomes a block between that relationship that I was just talking about that he's always traditionally had with the average people of America to say, hey, wait a minute.
We thought you were on our side.
Release everything.
We want it out there.
I hear you.
I just want to follow up, because what we were hearing from some of the boys here was that the inability for him to be transparent on this front has already blocked the relationship that they felt like they had with him when he was coming into office.
Why is his lack of transparency to this point not been enough for you to already say they've crossed that threshold?
Because it's a relationship problem, right?
It's like when I'm with my wife and we have an issue and I said, well, we solved that issue.
She said, yeah, but is she happy about it?
Right?
So, you know what I'm saying?
You're saying like, you know, he's just got to do more.
There's still like some lingering.
So that's why I'm hoping and I'm sure.
And by the way, very pleased to see.
That you see the turnout today.
There's a lot of people who said that like, oh, he's totally lost his connection with, you know, the average person out there.
I would say that I think today is an example of him saying, you know what?
Hey, I'm on your side.
We're going to do this thing.
I'm opening up the White House to as many, literally as many people as we can.
We should see this as a part of the repair of that relationship.
Is that what you're saying?
Reconnection.
Reconnection.
Reconnect.
Reconnect.
It's like, look, sometimes you get a little busy.
Girl needs a date night.
I take her on a date.
I say, you know what, sweetheart?
I'm putting the phone down.
I'm putting Twitter down.
I'm putting all of it down.
It's nice just me and you.
It seems a little different, like, even from the times that we've talked, like, I remember three, four years ago, we would be at scenes like this and be hearing things about Democrats and pedophiles and Democrats have, like, blah, blah, blah.
And now...
The issue is kind of...
And now we see the kind of reversal of those things.
I'm saying as someone who I think helped popularize, is that fair to say, some of those initial claims about Democrats?
How has it been is kind of my question now that that focus is now on Donald Trump.
I think the focus now is more elites in general.
Okay.
I would say.
Not D or R, but elite class.
I would say it's more like that.
And by the way, I said that back at the time, too, that it's always been that.
And back then it was the Clintons who brought Jeffrey Epstein into the White House many, many, many times.
Yep.
And they were the ones who were perceived as the ones blocking the information or trying to hold it up.
They both testified now.
Whatever, right?
We'll see if they actually tell the truth on that.
But...
You do see it as being something where, again, I think the some of the initial stonewalling or the hemming and hawing out of Pam Bondi's office, which she no longer holds, is is responsible for that.
I really do.
He's like
That has a direct effect to the kind of scenes we even see now where, like, people are using those kind of insults focused on Trump and Republicans in the way that they weren't doing years ago.
Yeah, they are, but I do think it's a little bit cynical, right?
Because it's like, Democrats were in the White House for four years.
They had the whole government.
They didn't need anything of that.
You know, okay, if you had Epstein files, give us the Epstein files.
Why didn't you?
But you mentioned kind of the centrality around war, which seems like a big reason for some of this shift.
100%.
I guess to me, you know, I heard Trump on Meet the Press a couple weeks ago say that he did not break a promise by the actions versus the rhetoric of no more new wars.
You insisted no new wars.
First of all, I didn't guarantee no war.
I was at so many of those Trump rallies.
I heard him make the argument for no new wars.
How is this not a break of that promise?
Well, the way I've said it is, is that this is not an Iraq style war.
It's not an Afghanistan style war where you've got, you know, thousands of troops that are storming the beaches.
It is a war.
It's a war.
It's a war.
But it's not a forever war.
Is it an operation?
Sure.
But it's different from the idea of a full on, full scale war.
Troop deployment to a Middle Eastern country.
How many people believe you on that front, though?
Because I mean, I imagine that sell, can you at least say, like, is that sell getting harder to make with even Trump's own fans?
Um...
No, I don't think so, because we do see that he hasn't put troops on the ground.
I want to look ahead now.
There does seem to be a unique relationship that Donald Trump has with young men, or he was able to really execute that in 2024.
Is that the same?
For a guy who's turning 80 today.
For a guy who's turning 80.
So I'm saying, is that the same for JD Vance?
Is that the same for Marco Wu?
Is that the same for the people coming after Trump?
You know what?
There is something real special that I see whenever JD goes and he's with the military, where it's like he comes out there and...
He has this camaraderie with them that, as a veteran myself, I think is unmatched.
When we take him to campus events, it's the same deal.
They really look up to him, and they see him as one of theirs.
He's huge in the Indian culture, but in a way,
In a different way than Trump has been.
He understands the memes, he breathes the memes, he portrays himself as the memes, he leans all the way in.
Whereas, you know, President Trump did post his Pepe meme in 2015.
Of a scroller more of a retweet yeah retweet whereas jd i think has totally immersed himself in that meme culture and in that internet culture where you know people have criticized him for it
But i think it gives him a finger on the pulse in just a totally different way because of the generational shift
Is that something you think Democrats can, like, swoop in on?
Well, the question is, which Democrat?
I just, I don't see a Democrat that has that right now.
I really don't.
I mean, James Tallarica, like, get real, you know?
And Gavin Newsom, he just comes across as slimy.
And then Kamala Harris is trying to run again.
I'm not saying it's not possible, but I just don't see...
Who it would be
Yeah you're like of those options you're taking jd bands particular to that relationship
Yeah i take um all right
All right i'll give you one though i'll give you one
You can see the democrats trying out this you know
Hey let's take our let's take a white male veteran who's also a democrat and put them in and just get them to talk about economic Democrats
So, Grant Plattner is kind of like the next iteration of that strategy.
Will it stick, will it not, we'll see.
But I think I'm starting to see the beginnings of a new strategy there to bring back the Blue Dog Democrat, but in a more like Bernie Sanders,
Populous, but more, I guess just manly, is that?
Okay.
Right.
So we'll see.
So that version maybe takes... Now with Graham, they may have gone a little bit too far.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
A little bit too far, but you can see them trying to do it, and I predict they'll continue to do so.
Last question, like, is there any fear you have that the combo of Epstein, Iran has put him on a worse footing with that same group of young men who he was succeeding with just two years ago?
The numbers are softer today.
There's no question about that.
But that's what this is all about.
That's what having the UFC here is about.
So I think there may be that acknowledgement that's coming off to say, hey, we need to reconnect.
Let's reconnect.
Let's do it on your terms.
Let's bring everyone in.
Let's have that bash with, by the way, winding down Iran, which, of course, is going to have that effect on gas prices that we all
That has to come alongside it.
It's got to come.
It's got to come.
There's no question.
You cannot disassociate Warner on with the gas prices and the economic pain people are feeling.
And if you do that politically, if you try to say, well, you know, it's so important that we do this and don't worry about it.
You're done.
You're done if you say don't worry about it and don't worry about the gas prices.
What helps is victory.
If you have victory, then people are willing to forgive a lot if you get abducted.
Kind of like you're in the ring.
Cool.
Thank you so much, Jack.
I appreciate your time.
Appreciate it, man.
So Jack agreed with our premise.
Young men have softened on Donald Trump, driven by things like gas prices, the Iran war, and the Epstein files.
But that doesn't make them Democrats.
That just means they're a weaker demographic for Republicans largely and a ripe target for Democrats to look at for the midterms and the next presidential election.
Jack said that we should think about events like this as an attempt for the White House to make a reconnection with important demographics like men, and specifically young men.
But he also acknowledged that none of that matters if Trump doesn't change the policy.
So I'm back in New York City and I've had a couple of days to reflect on the UFC event and specifically what Jack Posobiec told me about Trump's ability to command attention and dominate culture.
Yes, the event was superficially successful.
Thousands of attendees, the type of made for TV moment Trump loves, a signature summer event for the White House.
But it was marred from a comment by UFC fighter Josh Hokut, whose statement about Michelle Obama left a permanent stain on the evening.
And lastly, Michelle Obama is a man.
Am I right, America?
Now, while the comment was condemned by UFC boss Dana White, I think it speaks to the reasons why people didn't want this to happen in the first place.
There are ways to appeal to masculinity and rural American culture that aren't cruel or misogynistic.
This event was not one of them.
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