Hey, weirdos, I'm Ash.
And I'm Alina.
This is morbid.
The amount of times that I almost say I'm Elena.
Hello?
I love it.
It's so rainy today, so we're like goofball-y.
It is.
And I was saying, I got such a good sleep last night, and I don't think that's good for me.
You can tell me that sleep is good for me.
I disagree.
I perform so much better when I'm on less sleep.
Yeah.
No, it is.
I wake up easier when I don't have as much sleep.
Oh, I know.
This morning I could not wake up because last night I went to sleep.
I put my ear earplugs in because it was so freaking windy and I have wreaths.
So they're blowing on my window all night.
And you're enjoying that now.
Oh, i'm enjoying that yeah, and i please know, when i put in my earbuds, like my, my little earplugs, i think of you yeah, and i say i know these days are numbered, they're numbered, not that i'm pregnant.
To the one fucking person who asked, but yeah again, i say don't ever fucking ask that question again, just don't just bloated.
Okay, i'll say that every single episode, don't ever ask someone that question.
But uh, but moving on anyway.
But yeah, i slept really great last night and i'm not better for it.
I actually slept really great last night and i also am not better for it because i have a slight headache all day.
Oh no uh, all day, it's just been.
I have a slight headache all day.
I've had one.
Uh, i just took excedrin.
I've been drinking water like did you eat lunch, though?
Uh no, i just kind of like grazed.
Did you eat breakfast?
No, I didn't.
That's why you have a headache.
Shit, that's the reason.
Have you had any water?
Yeah.
Oh, I've been drinking water.
Like I just refilled this for the third time.
Okay.
Um, water has been my friend and I'm not like, I just keep forgetting to have full meals lately.
Um, crazy girl.
She's been busy.
Don't do that though.
I'm just a grazer.
So I get in the habit of just like picking throughout the day.
I get grazing for lunch, but yeah, you gotta eat a brekkie.
I love a breakfast.
I know i think i just got out of my out of my head.
This morning i prepped some pumpkin pie, chia seed pudding for the week.
Shit slapped slappity slap slap, slapped and that sounds good.
And it's the.
We're approaching like fall and we're in fall.
We're approaching winter, dead in fall, shut up.
So yeah, i slept it.
I'm not better for it but now.
But now i'm making bread again.
Yeah, i revitalized my little sarda sarda so i'm well fed.
Yeah, i like that.
And i, i was gonna say my, my aura ring was like i got a good sleep score last night for the first time in like months and i think my aura is like.
It literally was like wow, great sleep score.
And then it was like but like, calm down still like it was literally like don't get too excited.
It was like you had one good sleep, like do this?
Like my readiness was like yeah, this is good, but like don't go crazy, girl.
Like it was literally like don't you think that this is gonna happen all the time?
Well, you gotta have a few nights of it before you go crazy.
It was funny.
It was literally like don't be too excited.
I was like hey, what the fuck way to ground me or anything.
It does humble you sometimes.
It does.
I love my aura ring.
I know.
And this is not an ad.
No.
But I love mine too.
I got you onto it.
And there's this thing where you can connect with other people, but I refuse to connect with you because we will get way too competitive.
It'll become a competition.
Even though we're not connected, we're like, what's your sleep score last night?
Yeah.
Mine's better.
John has one too.
And his was two points above mine this morning.
And I was like, fuck you. yeah fuck you and your two points it makes you want to like fist fight someone yeah i get it he got the crown it gives you a little crown if you're at optimal and i didn't get the crown because i was 84 i think you have to be 85 oh that makes sense drew is like a apple watch guy and now that we have dolo he gets so he's like i walked like seven miles today and you're like shut up shut up don't say that to me don't don't do it that much i know i gotta get off my ass i need to do more hot girl walks you know that they say that sitting is the new smoking i believe it and i did a lot of smoking back in the day so i can't be continuing to sit and and smoke i just want to get up and enjoy the fall weather i know i mean not today or the next day we're in the One thing about me, though, I love a Nor'easter.
Oh, one of my kids said there's 100% chance of a thunderstorm today.
And I said, I love you so much.
Thank you for sharing that information with me.
You know what, though?
Disappointing because I haven't heard one fucking clap of thunder.
Day isn't over yet.
Big big truce.
It's only the afternoon.
I was gonna say big facts and i said big truce, big big truce, big truce out here.
Big feelings, big things.
All right, i think we've talked enough.
I think we have, because this has been absolute nonsense.
People are like hey guys, are you drunk?
No, we had a more unhinged conversation before we pressed record.
Yeah, that will not see the light of day.
That's not.
That's not for the listener.
No, it's not.
I don't even remember what we said.
Honestly, i do.
I won't be sharing it.
It was about a couple things.
Anyway.
It was about a couple things.
I'm going to talk about a couple things.
Just kidding.
Hell yeah, you are.
It's really one thing and it's a haunting.
A haunting?
I say, I say.
It's the Wyrick family haunting.
Oh, I don't know the Wyricks.
I didn't either.
Shout out to Dave.
David.
He knew of them.
David always knows.
And he said, let's do this case, Ash.
And I said, okay.
Okay, Dev.
Okay, Dev.
I'll do whatever you say.
I texted him.
I said, boy, this was a good one.
And did he say, indeed?
Let's see.
I'll tell you exactly what he said.
Maybe not exactly, but I'll tell you what he said.
He said, that story spins out of control eventually, but early on it's pretty creepy.
I love that he's like, it goes off the rails, but good luck.
It does in like a fun way, sort of.
All right, so let's talk about it.
Throughout the summer of 1989, Andy and Lisa Wyrick.
They had spent months looking for a nice, affordable house for themselves and their three-year-old daughter, Heidi.
And they were looking in Harris County, Georgia.
They were a young family.
They were living on a single, pretty modest income.
So everything that they had seen so far felt very out of reach.
It was not going to be doable.
Even in like the smaller rural parts of the county, it just wasn't working out.
Rural, it's so hard to say.
So they started to feel like the situation was pretty hopeless.
They were like, I don't know about this.
But then in the fall they were shown a small ranch house in Ellerslie, which is in central West Georgia.
It's, like, an unincorporated town.
Oh, okay.
I didn't know what that was, so I Googled it.
It means they don't have a town government.
Yeah.
They're just reckless.
Yeah, there's, like, no... Lawless.
That means there's no, like, post office.
There's no police officers.
Yeah, they don't give a fuck.
It's a little bit scary.
They say we're unincorporated.
They are.
They're, like, kids incorporated.
Exactly.
Exactly.
So, according to the realtor, the people who lived there before had abandoned the house a few months earlier.
I feel like that's a red flag.
The biggest.
Yeah.
So obviously the bank foreclosed it.
And that was why it was being offered at such a low price.
Yeah.
So they didn't want to waste the only realistic opportunity that had come across their plate in months.
So Andy and Lisa, they talked it over and they decided to put in an offer.
I get it.
They're young.
They're a young family.
They need a place to live.
Roll the dice.
Yeah, so luckily their offer was accepted a few days later.
And Andy said, I was happy.
I wasn't but 21 years old, had bought my own house.
I thought I was really something.
Hell yeah, Andy, you were really something.
You were.
That's crazy.
I wasn't 21 when I bought my house.
No, so go Andy.
Good on you, Andy and Lisa.
So for a young couple just starting out in life, their new house was everything that they wanted it to be.
The only downside was that the neighborhood was made up of a lot of older couples.
So there wasn't really any kids for Heidi to play with, which kind of sucked.
That's like a double edged sword, because it's like yeah, there's no kids to play with, but like old people as your neighbors.
Oh, hell yeah.
A plus.
Like their neighborhood watch?
Depending on the brand of old people.
That's true.
You get like really friendly old people who have candy in their purse and like will wave at you when you cross the road and stuff.
Or you get really grumpy old people that don't like what you do with your house and they like yell at you about it.
That's true.
Yeah.
But like, fuck those old people.
I was like, do you have anything else to say?
Do you have anything else to say on the old people topic?
I just said valid.
You said valid.
Good point.
I just really like that old people are always in everybody's business.
I lived in an old people neighborhood once and it was great.
Yeah.
Everybody minded their own business.
I highly recommend it.
Yeah, there was a really good member of the Halloween party.
Yeah, cute.
That's all I'm thinking about.
It was super cute.
And the neighborhood watch of it all.
Yeah, I love neighborhood watch.
They're always like, what the fuck is that car doing down here?
Like, I love that.
That's also just me.
Yeah, I'm an old person.
Some of my neighbors are super old.
They're just like, they know...
Everything.
We got a group chat going on.
I love it.
Wow, you have a group chat going on?
Oh, hell yeah.
My whole neighborhood.
We know the second.
Somebody comes in this neighborhood that doesn't belong.
We're like who the fuck is that car?
And everybody's like, oh, that's my cousin.
Don't worry about it.
I'm a little too antisocial for a group chat neighborhood.
Oh, it's not a group chat.
The best part is about this group chat is we all are that way.
So it's literally like, what the fuck is that car doing there?
And somebody's like, oh, this person's having a party.
Don't worry about it.
And it's like, cool.
That's it.
That's nice.
That's it.
But I love when I'll get the like, what car is that?
I'm like, yeah, yeah.
What car is that?
I love it.
Well, OK, so this this neighborhood was full of old people.
So there's nobody for Heidi to play with, which stunk.
That sucks.
And you know it meant that Heidi spent a lot more time playing by herself than her parents would have preferred.
But she seemed happy enough.
She didn't really seem to mind being alone.
So they didn't really think about it that much.
One afternoon though, a few months after moving into the new house, Heidi asked her mom if she could go outside and play.
And Lisa was like, yeah, totally.
It's the 90s.
Stay in the yard.
And then, from where she was standing at the kitchen sink, Lisa could see that Heidi was sitting on the grass and it looked like she was just having a tea party with her dolls.
And a few minutes passed.
And when, when Lisa looked up again, Heidi had appeared beside her in the kitchen and she asked if it was OK if she went on the swings to play with the man.
No no yeah, the answer is no, uh.
So the question caused lisa's stomach to drop immediately and she was like what now?
What man?
Years later, she told a reporter that her immediate thought was obviously that somebody was trying to kidnap her daughter.
Yep, so she looked out the window toward the swing that was hanging from an old tree, but she didn't see anybody.
But she was concerned that now somebody was lurking outside.
So she told her daughter to stay put and she went into full mama bear mode, grabbed a huge knife from the kitchen drawer, yeah And slowly walked out into the yard, just frantically, looking in every direction for who she needed to stab.
Yeah.
Because if some man is asking my child to play on the swings, I am going to stab them.
Yeah.
That's fair.
That's it.
It's called self-defense.
Look it up.
It's called being a mom.
This isn't professional advice.
Yeah, no.
It's mom advice.
It's just what I'm going to do.
I don't give a shit what you do.
I'm doing that.
Yeah.
You're a man who asked my child to do anything.
I'm going to stab you.
Yeah.
I love that.
Put that on a shirt.
That's it.
That's it.
So she's out there.
She's like looking around for who to stab.
And it was only when a neighbor passing in the car stopped to ask if she was okay that she realized how bizarre she looked.
Just creeping around with a knife.
Exactly.
That's awesome.
So she was like, oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Like, I'm fine.
She didn't find anybody.
So she just went back inside.
In the kitchen she called her husband and was like hey you need to get the fuck home immediately.
She was like.
I didn't see whoever it was that approached Heidi, but a man approached her and asked her to play.
So please get home ASAP.
She waited and she sat Heidi down and talked to her about the importance of not talking to strangers, not playing with strangers.
Good parenting.
Yeah.
And then, about an hour later, a half hour later, Andy got home and Lisa filled him in again on what happened.
He shared his wife's concerns and he grabbed a pistol from the gun cabinet and also went out into the yard.
Honestly?
He searched.
Just parenting up in these parts.
Yeah.
He searched the entire property.
He even went as far as to go in his truck and drive around the neighborhood.
Love these people.
Like he was, like I will find them.
Find who asked my daughter to play?
Yeah, he said later.
He said i didn't know if he was trying to lure her off, abduct her, kidnap her, because you don't know about people these days.
But i never.
And he said but i never did find nothing.
No, that was in like the early 90s.
Yeah, i didn't know about people in those days.
Welcome to 2025, my friend.
You really don't know about people these days.
Exactly.
I love that they just went full send, though.
Yeah, as you should.
Let that person know you don't ask my kid to do anything, or I'm coming at you with a pistol and a knife.
Yeah, and my truck.
Yeah, and my truck.
And my truck.
So as the weeks passed and Lisa and Andy's concern subsided a bit, they let Heidi go outside and play by herself again in the yard.
It was the 90s.
Not long after she... Wouldn't have done that, but... You know.
Not long after, she started talking about a new man and she called him Mr. Gordy.
According to Heidi, Mr Gordy was a very nice older man who would come by the house whenever she was outside.
She said he was average height, gray hair, and he always wore a dark suit.
Okay.
So the mention of Mr. Gordy raised her parents' concerns about predators, obviously.
Indeed.
But Heidi didn't seem afraid of this man.
She actually seemed pretty enthusiastic about having a new friend and she just would talk about Mr Gordy constantly.
Lisa said she would tell me that Mr. Gordy had come to her when she was in bed and talked to her.
He would sit on the bed and just sit there and talk to her, okay.
Okay, i mean he said seems, seems like a nice guy, seems friendly yeah, because obviously he's not real.
So where is he, i would assume?
I don't know, unless he's coming in a room at night.
I don't know.
So in the days that followed she checked it.
Uh, lisa checked in with neighbors and asked if the name and description sounded familiar, but none of her neighbors knew anybody by that name and they hadn't seen any unfamiliar old men in the area.
Mr gordy's around.
Yeah, exactly.
So she was like, all right, maybe this is kind of like an imaginary friend.
Yeah, like Skeleton.
Yeah, like Skeleton, Luke Skywalker, Naughty Martha.
Yep.
So whenever either of her parents would ask where Mr Gordy lived, Heidi would point to the sky and say up there.
Oh, yeah.
Okay.
Still, Lisa.
This is the hard part of parenting.
I know.
This is the shit I'm not looking forward to.
When you really got to keep it together and be like, cool.
Awesome.
I am not terrified at all.
Yeah.
Well, that's the thing.
Lisa wasn't entirely convinced that there was nothing to be worried about.
So she stayed vigilant.
She said after she described him, I kept my eye on her a lot, a lot more than I normally would have.
Good for them.
Good parenting.
Yeah.
So as time passed, Mr. Gordy just was a regular fixture in the house.
Heidi would bring up the subject of her friend on a daily basis.
They even would humor her when she brought him up.
They set an extra plate at lunch for Mr. Gordy.
That's nice.
It is.
Lisa said I didn't see any harm in having an imaginary friend, especially when she didn't have anybody else to play with.
But privately, she did start to wonder if it was healthy for Heidi to be so consumed by somebody who wasn't real.
There's a fine line, that's the thing, and i think they were specifically worried because she didn't really.
She's three, so she's not like in.
I don't know if she was in like preschool or daycare.
Really, it doesn't sound like a ton of other kids right now.
Right, so they're like is this okay?
So one afternoon a few months after they moved in, heidi was playing in the living room alone when she heard a faint knocking at the door and she jumped up, ran over and she opened the door to find a man she didn't recognize standing before her.
She said he seemed confused and upset and that his shirt was covered in blood.
And so she asked him who he was and she thought he said that his name was Khan.
And she was like, are you hurt?
Do you need help?
But he didn't respond.
He just kept staring at her.
Close that door.
Yeah.
Close that door.
Lock that door.
Call someone.
So needless to say, the presence of a bloody man obviously made Heidi uneasy.
She's a little girl.
Yeah.
So she ran into the kitchen and she told her mom there was somebody at the door covered in blood.
And at first, Lisa thought that she was talking about Mr. Gordy.
But when she said when Heidi was like, no, I don't know this man.
He's covered in blood.
Lisa was like, oh, OK.
Like her heart sank.
Oh, boy.
She told a reporter.
Later, Heidi said he was wearing a blood soaked white T-shirt with a bandage on his arm and that he was younger than Mr Gordy and scarier.
Oh yeah, so that feeling of terror that she felt when heidi first mentioned mr gordy was back and for the second time in a matter of months she grabbed a kitchen knife and ran out into the yard damn.
But again she found nothing.
She said i felt kind of stupid looking for something that didn't really exist, something that might have been made up.
So i just kind of played it off when she would talk about him and i'd laugh with her and agree with whatever she had to say.
Yeah, because what the fuck do you do at this point?
You go to a child psychologist.
This is sixth sense shit.
That's exactly, that's all I could think of.
Yeah.
So the weeks went on and Heidi didn't mention Khan again, the bloody man.
I don't like Khan.
Yeah.
It's scary.
I was going to say, is there more to con?
I don't know.
More to come for con?
Yeah.
Hang.
Just hang with that.
Just hang tight for con?
Okay.
So yeah, she didn't mention him again.
So Lisa and Andy just assumed whatever it was that had led their daughter to make up such an alarming story had passed.
Yeah.
You know, kids, especially like little kids, make up stories all the time.
They say weird shit that we are like, what are you talking about?
Can confirm.
So they were like, you know, she just has a really active imagination.
Yeah.
And she didn't seem scared anymore.
She started talking about Mr. Gordy again.
So it didn't seem like a ton of reason to be super concerned.
Yeah, Mr. Gordy's back.
Yeah, they were just like, all right, that was fucking weird.
I guess we won't like return her just yet.
Yeah.
So initially, the mention of these two fictitious characters by Heidi had scared them, especially since the second of the two was covered in blood.
Yeah.
But when neither man appeared to frighten her, freak her out in any way, they just decided to follow her lead, not make a big deal of it.
Mr. Gordy remained a fixture, but she stopped kind of talking about the bloody man.
So they figured, you know, this all passed.
But that calm in the home was finally disrupted about 14 months after they moved in, when Heidi started talking about a new character.
Unlike Mr Gordy, who was her kind companion or con, who you know, his appearance kind of seemed to be a fluke.
The description of this new man was vague and very threatening.
She didn't bring him up as often as she talked about Mr Gordy, but when he did come up it was very clear to Lisa and Andy that the presence of this guy terrified Heidi.
Whoever or whatever she was seeing.
She said he would always appear in shadowy parts of the house wearing all black, that they had a hood pulled tightly around a face that she could never quite describe.
Yeah, and for the first time since they moved in a year earlier, she started to feel unsafe, like she was telling her parents she was scared.
Oh, i hate that.
She started sleeping in their bed for weeks and when they finally could get her back into her room she wouldn't go to sleep if the lights were turned off, like she was genuinely terrified.
Oh no, yeah.
So for the first year she seemed happy to play by herself, you know, occupying her time with Mr Gordy tea parties, that kind of thing.
And to Lisa, that seemed like it was enough to compensate for the lack of kids in her life.
But after this latest imaginary character she started to wonder if Heidi's imagination had created more dramatic imaginary figures as a way to get her parents' attention.
And she was like, I think we need to do something about this.
Yeah.
So she was concerned that her daughter didn't have enough of a support system.
So she turned to her family.
She'd always been really close with her family.
And since they moved to the new house in Ellerslie she hadn't been able to see them as much as she would have liked to.
So when the house next door went up for sale, she called her sister Joyce and was like hey, there's a house for sale.
Bitch, you want to move in?
What if you moved in next door?
Joyce and her husband weren't even in the market for a house at this point, but they were like it'd be pretty cool to live so close to like my sister and my niece, so let's do it.
So they bought the house.
That's sick.
So not long after Joyce and her husband moved in, Joyce started actually noticing that Heidi was talking to herself in the yard a lot.
And she was like, that was weird.
Like I was a little bit concerned about that.
She asked Lisa about it and Lisa was like, yeah, like I think she has an imaginary friend.
She kind of like plays with him all the time.
And she explained that Heidi's imaginary friends were actually one of the reasons that she wanted Joyce to move closer in the first place.
She was like, you know, maybe she'll rely a little bit on her, a little bit less on her imagination.
Yeah. and they also decided to get Heidi a dog.
They got a mixed-breed shepherd that they named Sheba.
Oh, Sheba.
Sheba.
Sheba's here.
Oh, excuse me.
They're from the South, so that's like a... Miss Kelly.
So she stopped by with some documents related to the house that she thought Joyce might want to hang on to.
And Joyce was kind of just like flicking through a folder of documents.
And she stopped when a signature on Miss Kelly's mother's estate jumped out at her.
Mr. James S. Gordy.
Mr. Gordy is real.
Shut the fuck up.
So immediately she's like, that's weird.
I hope he's lovely.
Yeah.
Well, she's like, that's weird.
Like, that's my niece's imaginary friend's name.
Like, what are the odds?
So she asked Miss Kelly who the man was.
And she's like, what does his name mean here?
And Miss Kelly explained that James Gordy had been a lifelong family friend.
And he was actually the executor of her mother's estate when she passed.
Yeah.
And he was her business manager, kind of like a de facto caretaker of the estate.
Wow.
So Gordy lived just a few houses down from this family with his wife Frances, until 1974, when they moved to Columbus.
Joyce said I had this big, great knot in my throat because that was the first time we had seen the name.
I immediately thought I wonder if this is the same Gordy that Heidi's been talking about, holy shit.
So miss kelly described mr gordy, and it was like heidi herself was describing him.
He was a kind older man, he had silver, gray hair and he always wore a dark suit holy, which is exactly what heidi said.
So joyce was like okay, you know, like maybe i can put this mystery of her imaginary friend to rest, but don't worry, it's just a ghost.
That's the thing.
Like she's like that's not super calming, don't worry, it's not an imaginary friend, it's just a fucking ghost.
Yeah, well.
And also she was like is she seeing this guy?
Like he lives a couple houses down maybe, like he toots by and is like oh, like hello, and goes about his day.
Oh, yeah, because is he dead?
Well, she didn't know yet.
I didn't even think of that.
She didn't know yet, so she was like, oh, okay, like, where does he live now?
Like, you said he moved to Columbus?
Yeah.
And Miss Kelly looked at her and was like, James Gordy died in 1974.
Okay, good.
I'm glad he's not just driving by being like, hi, little girl, you want to play on a swing?
Because I'd be like, that's Yeah, that'd be pretty.
Somehow that's scarier than him being a ghost.
I'd rather him be a ghost.
Yeah, I would much rather that.
Yeah.
Because I think he's just being like, you got some crazy shit in this house.
Exactly.
Let me hang around and make sure it's okay.
Let me protect you.
Mr. Gordy.
Yeah.
For life.
I love it.
Yeah.
So later that day, Joyce told Lisa what she heard.
Oof.
Including the part about Mr. Gordy having died more than two decades earlier.
Yeah, about that.
And Lisa was like, so my four-year-old's just hanging out with a ghost?
Yeah.
Like, I don't know if I believe that.
Yeah.
But she also couldn't help but be curious about the lead that her sister had uncovered.
So she went to the library and she started scrolling through the microfiche of the local paper from 1974 until she found James Gordy's obituary.
And it was exactly what Joyce had said.
He had been a fixture in their small community all his life.
He lived just a few houses down and he had died in 1974.
James Gordy.
So Lisa was like okay, like what's that mean for my family and my daughter that she's hanging out with a ghost, like what the fuck?
But she decided that she needed to tell heidi who he really was.
Like she wanted to be honest with her.
So she sat her down and she said it's kind of hard to describe the feeling that you have.
I said heidi, mr gordy has passed away.
He's not a real person.
And she said well mama, he's real.
To me, he's as real as you are.
Whoa, isn't that wild.
He's also adorable.
James Gordy is adorable.
Look at this man.
Imagine him just being like, hey, girl, I'll push you on the swing.
He was like, I won't let that weird demon guy near you.
Yeah, like Mr. Gordy.
I love that she's like, as real as you, mama.
I'd be like, whoa.
Whoa.
But isn't that so cool to think about, though?
Because, like, she wasn't seeing him as, like... The spooky ghost character.
Yeah, or, like, translucent or anything like that.
He's just a real person.
Just, like, full-bodied real human.
Like, that's crazy to me.
That's wild.
Right?
Yeah.
So she was, like... She didn't even believe that he was dead.
She was, like, nah.
And obviously she doesn't really understand the concept of ghosts yet.
She's, like, I'm poor.
Yeah, she's, like, whatever.
So...
After the revelation that Mr Gordy was probably a ghost, Lisa and Andy were no longer convinced.
It was a great idea for Heidi to invest a lot in her relationship with him, imaginary or otherwise.
Lisa said years later what do you do when you think your child is seeing something that you can't see?
You can't even talk to them and say, leave her alone.
Go back to where you came from.
Yeah.
So when Heidi learned that Mr Gordy had died, she actually asked her parents if they could go see his grave.
She was like, I don't know if he died.
Like, he looks as real as you do.
So Lisa was like okay, like maybe it will help the process of her letting him go, like i don't know nothing in the parenting handbook that tells you how to handle these situations.
So i think i think they're doing a great job so far, like they're doing what they can do, and she's like we don't want her to be like attached to this man and like you also don't want to like rip the idea away from her.
Right no, you can't, for you know like this is hard and like she's a four-year-old so she's not really fully understanding life and death.
No, so they're like well, when you die, like you, you go here.
You know like she's like let me see exactly.
So a few days later lisa, heidi and lisa's father-in-law drove to the cemetery where mr gordy was buried, and the car had barely come to a stop and heidi jumped out of the back seat and ran straight to mr gordy's grave.
She was four years old.
She could not read.
And obviously she hadn't memorized the layout of a fucking cemetery.
No.
But she knew the exact location of his grave and ran over to it.
I think she's seeing Mr. Gordy, guys.
She absolutely is.
I'm like, was he over there?
Like, he's just like, hey, I'm over here.
Like, hello?
Yeah.
So Lisa and Andrew are like, all right, like, we don't really know how to process this.
Like we're not having a great time out here no, but at the same time they were like well, it doesn't seem like she's distressed about it.
That's the thing.
So they were like okay, like i guess you can, it seems to be nice with ghosty gordy.
Yeah well hey, that's what i do with skeleton.
I was like he's a nice guy, you say, but that's like so different that imagine finding out skeleton's backstory and that he lived like a few houses down a few decades ago.
I mean, that'd be crazy, that would rock your shit, that would rock my world.
And you'd be like should you hang out with?
Should this grown man ghost be hanging out with my kid?
That's the thing.
Like that's a lot, that's a lot to take on, that's a lot to swallow.
Yeah, but at the same time like, like i just said, she didn't seem stressed and she also hadn't brought up con very much lately or that other dark figure that really scared her.
So they were like i guess this benevolent spirit is a better alternative.
We're just gonna go with it.
Yeah, but a few months after finding the grave at the cemetery, all of that would change and lisa was like i think that there's something more happening here.
Oh, So one night in spring of 1990, Lisa and her niece Kelly were just sitting in the living room at the Weirich house.
They were actually arranging flowers for an upcoming wedding.
And they started hearing weird noises in the kitchen.
Sheba, their dog, who was lying on the floor beside the couch, got up and went into the kitchen.
So they were like, okay, like, we're not crazy.
Like, Sheba hears it too.
Yeah, and a few moments later lisa and kelly could hear sheba growling and snarling.
Oh, so they were like what the fuck?
So they go in the kitchen, they try to see what it is, and there was nothing there.
Kelly said it was like sheba could see something, but we couldn't see anything.
That was terrifying.
A few days later, sheba ran away and never came back.
Are you fucking kidding me?
Sheba ran away and they literally never saw Sheba again.
I have two things to say about that.
One, holy shit, that's terrifying.
Two, what a shitty dog.
What a shit dog.
Well, it was a puppy.
I can tell you right now Blanche is would fuck an otherworldly creature up for me.
Honestly, i was like that's a shitty dog.
I was like it's a puppy, but that dog just abandoned his family.
Well, whatever he saw must have been really scary, yeah.
And he said you guys can deal with it, good luck.
Like what the fuck kind of dog did they get?
He said listen, you're the parents, Damn.
I know.
Dolo.
Last night was literally we have like a front room area in our house and it's like super dark and she was just barking into the abyss of the dark room for no reason.
There was no sound.
Yeah, because she was like, I'll fuck someone up for you.
So I fully think she would go crazy.
Blanche, again, I think I've said this before, Blanche will wear John's skin if she could.
Like she loves John so much.
She loves John more than anything has ever loved anything.
John leaves and she goes and sits on a chair that faces the driveway and waits for him to come back.
Like she, she wants to wear him.
She loves it if he jokes about like poking me or tickling me.
No, she will dive from the other room, come running in and she will literally like growl bark, jump on him, like like literally go to bite him until he walks away.
And then she's like love you, but she's like don't fucking touch her, like she is my girl.
And if he like play, tickles the girls too, she attacks him like she will not let anyone touch us.
That bitch, my girl, Blanche I mean Sydney might sleep through the whole thing.
She would never leave.
Blanche, Fuck something up.
Sheba?
That bitch would never leave me to deal with a ghost.
I'm really upset about Sheba.
I know, you're big mad.
Big Red is big mad.
Because dogs, in general, will lay down their life for you.
Once you're their family, I'm like, damn.
I mean...
Like, wow, Sheba.
I feel like this, whatever Sheba saw had to be really bad.
It certainly did.
Like, so, so bad.
Yeah.
Like maybe even Blanche and Sydney would like at least no, like I didn't say it, run away and you never see them again.
They would tuck their tails.
They would.
You know?
Yeah, I could see that.
You never know.
For sure.
So here's the thing.
I'm just really upset about it.
That really sucked that they never saw She-Man again.
Yeah, that's a lot.
It was also the first time that somebody other than Heidi had seen or heard something supernatural in the house since they'd moved in like a year and a half earlier.
Yeah.
And that fact frightened the shit out of Lisa.
She was like, I fucking hate this.
Yeah.
So wanting to learn as much as she could out about the property, she called Miss Kelly.
Miss Kelly.
So Miss Kelly told her that she'd never seen anything unusual and never had any kind of supernatural experiences on or around the property.
And as far as she knew, no one in her family had either.
So she was like, can't really help you there.
Sorry.
But what she did do was she brought a photo album that had pictures of the property that proved to be vital to solving one mystery.
Lisa and Heidi were just like flipping through the album of old photos and Heidi stopped at one black and white photo and it showed a group of five men standing in front of a house that Lisa recognized as her sister's house next door.
And Heidi pointed to one of the men in the photo and said that's Khan, the one with the blood on his shirt.
What?
Like pointed him out.
So Miss Kelly looked at the photo and she was like, oh, that's my uncle.
His name is Lon.
Oh my God.
That's crazy.
That's weird.
That's literally crazy.
Yeah.
His name was Lon Batchelor.
And when he was a teenager he got his arm caught in a cotton gin and it was torn off just below the elbow.
And he lived on the property until his death in 1957.
What the fuck?
So she had literally, like, experienced some kind of residual haunting.
Because he ran next door and like, knocked on the door, obviously because Heidi opened the door and he was asking for help.
Yeah.
And his elbow was, like, bandaged, and he was covered in blood.
Oh my god.
So, like, that's fully a fucking residual haunting.
That's terrifying.
And the fact that, like, she got his name so close.
Yeah.
And it's.
I mean it's a four-year-old or like a three-year-old at the time, so she probably just like.
Yeah.
You know, repeated it wrong.
Yeah, of course.
That's fucking crazy.
That's terrifying.
And Lisa was like yeah, this is so scary because now two imaginary friends have turned out to be confirmed.
Like, that's the thing.
She said, just to know.
The fact that he passed away and had lived on the land scared me to death yeah, but it also suggested that maybe there was other entities lurking about the property, including the dark figure that she was absolutely terrified of.
Yeah, who's that, motherfucker?
And a few nights later, those fears became even more real.
So days later, andy was out of the house and this one just fucking ruins me.
So andy's not home.
Lisa gets out of the shower and she's blow drying her hair in the bedroom, and heidi was sitting in her parents bedroom just like looking at a book and the bathroom's connected.
So at one point, heidi stopped looking at the book and she crawled to the end of the bed to get her mom's attention in the bathroom.
And lisa was like yeah, like what's up.
And heidi goes are you sure you won't be scared if i tell you this?
Nope, i can't promise that, babe.
Lisa was like yeah, totally like what's up, girl.
Heidi looked her mom dead in the eyes and whispered there's a man behind you oh, Oh.
I... We would go... I would run out of the house.
We'd be going to Wendy's to get a faux-faux-faux.
I would get the fuck out.
I would need a faux-faux-faux.
I would...
I would run out of the home.
I don't care in what state of dress I was in.
Grab your robe and go.
That would be one of those situations where, as a parent, you just sit there and I think one single tear would just slowly escape my eye.
And I would probably just stand there and be like, yeah?
Yeah.
It's real?
You sure?
What do you do?
You're just like, what?
Where is he?
It was like when the girls told me about the kids, the people with the scissors.
And I said, where are they?
And they said, all around you.
And I was like, huh?
You were just standing in the middle of an angry mob of scissor carriers.
Because you sit there and you're like, okay.
What do I do here?
Do I fuck my kid up?
Or do I hold it together and maybe get my ass killed?
I think hold it together and maybe get your ass scissored.
I didn't know what was going to happen.
I think Lisa, she was brave like you.
Yeah, you got to.
But inside, I think she was freaking out.
100%.
Yeah.
I would want to vomit all over myself.
Well, the thing was, it seemed like figuring out the real identities of Mr Gordy and Lon kind of opened up like a door in the house.
And now it seemed like they were just having terrifying experiences on the regular.
So she's like, cool, it's Tuesday.
Yeah, I love Tuesdays.
So a few months after Sheba had run away and just a week or two after Heidi was like hey, there's a man blow drying your hair.
Lisa and her niece.
I'm just dying at your hatred of Sheba.
I'm real mad at Sheba.
Give them dogs a bad name.
So a few weeks after that, Lisa and her niece Kelly had another scary experience.
They were sitting in the living room just chatting and they heard like a shuffling sound in the kitchen and Sheba wasn't there to confirm anything.
No, she wasn't.
So both of them looked up in the direction of the dining room table just in time to see one of the chairs swing out from the table and slide toward them from across the floor, stopping from like a few feet from where it had been.
That also makes me think that this ghost was just like, girls, I'm coming to sit.
I want to join you.
What's up?
What are we talking shit about?
What are we talking about today?
Yeah, right?
I'd be like, you want to just chat?
So scary.
What's going on?
So scary.
What do you do?
I don't know.
Well, and Kelly goes.
When you're there in broad daylight and a chair just moves, you don't really have any alternative but to believe that there's something in the house.
Yeah, what else do you... I mean, what else could that be?
I mean, I have no idea.
That it just swings out from the table and, like, scoots over to you?
I'd be like okay, i'd be like, join us.
Hey, question mark, do you like want something to drink?
Like who do you talk shit about?
What's going on what's?
What's your afterlife issue?
You got the hot goss of the afterlife.
So after two years in the house, or almost two years in the house, during only which time, like usually, heidi was the one to see anything unusual and, like the entities in the house, whatever they were, now they were making their presence known to everybody in the house.
And not long after Lisa and Kelly experienced the chair moving on its own, Heidi started to see the dark entity moving around the house again.
Except this time, she was convinced that it wanted to hurt her.
Oh, I hate that.
One night everybody was asleep and Heidi went into her parents' bedroom and woke them up and said the dark man had been in her bedroom and she was terrified.
I would want to... You just made me literally shit my pants.
I didn't actually shit my pants, but I truly almost shit my pants, Michael.
Oh.
Michael, you know what?
You're fired.
I think my aura ring is going to be like, oh, you died.
Like, I think it's going to be like, oh, R.I.P. you.
My heart stopped.
Mine felt like it kind of exploded throughout my body.
Like it was just like a firework.
Like it just stopped.
It was like, oh, you should be dead.
Our music is creepy.
It is.
Damn.
Especially during this kind of thing.
My God.
Also, I would fucking, I'd want to kill that shadow man.
Oh.
I know he's probably already dead, but I would want to resurrect him so I could kill his ass again.
You want to kill him now?
You're in my kid's room.
I'll fuck your world up, buddy.
Not only was he in her room, this time they saw fresh scratches on her cheek.
Oh, it's on sight.
They said it literally looked like an animal with claws had swiped at her.
It is on sight.
I would burn that house to the ground.
Oh, I would be out of there.
I would be out of there.
Light it ablaze.
But also it's like they don't have a ton of money to buy another house.
They got this house.
They got a good deal on this house.
Because I was going to say, just ask Esther Cox in the last story we did.
She burned down a barn and she stayed in jail for like a month.
It's true.
Shit supporters.
She did.
This was a little more current.
A little different.
I don't know.
A little different.
I don't know if the Georgians would take kindly to Lisa and Andy burning their house down.
But so this felt like this attack felt like a warning.
Yeah.
And it was one they were like, yeah, I hear you.
Got it.
They went over to Joyce's house and they stayed there until the next morning.
If they hoped that a night away from the house would calm whatever was in Heidi's room the night before, they were wrong.
Yeah.
The next night, they all die.
I'm like, how are you guys going to sleep in here?
Yeah, no, you got to go somewhere else.
So they go to bed.
You're close to your family.
Stay with family.
I know.
Andy wakes up in the middle of the night to this burning, intense pain in his side.
He said he jumped out of bed and ran in the bathroom to look in the mirror and he saw three scratches on his side that looked just like the scratches that had been on Heidi's face the night before.
Damn.
Yeah.
He said, I hate that.
No.
She's like, how do you go to sleep after that happens even one time?
What are you supposed to do there?
I don't know.
I think I'd probably rather sleep in the backyard than in the house.
Yeah, no.
I'd be like, we're camping tonight.
Yeah, I'd be like, we're camping forever.
No, we live in our car now.
This is what we do now.
We're a van fam.
Yeah.
So after everything that had happened and everything they learned, Lisa and Andy started to wonder if it was safe for them to stay in the house at all, especially because Heidi was just terrified at all times.
Yeah.
But like I said, like they're living on limited means.
They can't afford to move.
I know.
That's the thing.
It's not as easy as just like you can't just don't live there anymore.
Like, nope.
Well, like I said, they got a deal on the house, so they would have probably also taken a loss if they tried to, if they tried to sell it.
Yeah.
So before taking you know a consequential step of defaulting on their mortgage, they decided to look for somebody who might be able to help them and, you know, get the peace and calm in the house again.
Yeah.
On a trip to the local library, Lisa started looking up organizations and people who studied the paranormal.
One name that jumped out at her was Dr. William Rule.
He has played like a huge part in the history of paranormal investigation, especially more like modern day investigations.
He's a classically trained psychologist and he's been involved in, like some of the most high profile paranormal investigations in the US, including the alleged poltergeist in the home of a Seaford, Long Island family and the investigation into the telekinetic abilities of Tina Resch.
Oh, yeah.
I think we've talked about that case before.
Not on Morbid, but I think you and I have like talked about it.
And she was from Ohio.
So he was at the forefront of the field since it started to kind of formalize in the 1950s.
So Lisa was like, I feel like there's really nobody better suited to help us.
Yeah.
So she placed a call to his office.
She kind of gave like a brief overview of everything that had been happening.
And later he said, when Lisa called me, she was definitely upset.
Oh.
It was an unusual case in my experience because Heidi described somebody she had never met.
But then Heidi described some frightening experiences, followed by the scratches on her and her father.
And that's very rare in the type of investigation that I do.
But based on everything he heard, he was like, hell yeah, I want to investigate this.
Shit's going down.
And a few weeks later, he was sitting down with the family in their living room in Georgia.
Just as he usually did at the start of his investigations, he started by interviewing the members of the family, alone and together, so that he could get their accounts of what they had seen and heard since moving in and, you know, confirm that everybody was kind of telling the truth.
He said, in his experience with working with children he knew that they obviously had a tendency to make things up and exaggerate, usually without understanding any kind of consequences.
And he wanted to make sure that wasn't what was happening here.
But he said, when I spoke to Heidi and I spoke to the whole family, they felt evidently sane.
So he said, I think some shit was going on here.
Yeah.
They don't seem cuckoo.
He said, I think this shit's really happening.
So, based on the interviews, he came to the conclusion that, to Heidi, the entities that she interacted with looked and felt like they were real people.
She said she could hear them.
She could see them.
She could touch them.
And they looked to her just like any other adult would look.
And that explains why a lot of them didn't really frighten her in the way that you know, like an entity would.
Yeah.
Like the dark entity.
Or like it might frighten an adult if you saw a dead person.
Yeah.
So according to Roel... Honestly, live people are scarier to me.
It depends on the situation, yeah.
But you're not wrong.
So, according to Roll, Heidi was experiencing what he described as place memory events, which is, events in people from the past whose energy had been retained in the ether and somehow broke through into Heidi's reality.
Obsessed with this.
He said she picked up those traces and in her mind constructed those persons like Mr. Gordy.
That's what makes this case to me so unique.
He said, when he showed Heidi a photo array of various older men, she didn't hesitate to identify the one picture of James Gordy that he incorporated into the mix.
So he was like, she was absolutely seeing this man.
Because Mr. Gordy, no offense to Mr. Gordy, he looks like a lot of kind older gentlemen.
Yeah, he's like a, you know, like... Like, I don't know if I could pick him out.
He's an older white dude.
Very easily.
So it's like, but she's spending so much time with him that she's like oh, that's my guy.
Yeah, that's crazy.
And he's like she's like four too.
Yeah, she's literally four years old and he's like he's showing her like older men to be like.
Do you just like think that all old men are mr?
Yeah, like they all have silver hair, but it's like no, this is the one and she knows it.
Damn like, that's big.
Yeah, So his theory of place memory is, it's like complicated, but essentially he believes that the energy of people and the environment gets stored in the fabric of space and time.
I love that.
I'm, I kind of like, I'm like, this is, I think he's onto something here.
He makes a lot of sense.
He says, when there are major shifts in electromagnetic fields, that energy can break through into the present and that can cause somebody to literally see a person or place, just like it appeared in the past.
That that's different than anything we've heard.
That's it.
It also kind of accounts for deja vu in a weird way.
Yeah.
That's what it made me think of.
Yeah.
But he said, when Heidi saw those people, like Mr Gordy or Lon, in the aftermath of his incident or his accident, William Rowe believed that her mind created like a narrative around what she was seeing, to make sense of what she was seeing.
And in that sense he explained to her parents that she wasn't technically seeing ghosts, at least not as somebody might typically understand them.
She was seeing a representation of something from the past.
Whoa.
Which is fascinating.
His way of describing it is like very fascinating.
It gets even more fascinating.
And like makes a lot of sense.
It kind of does.
In a weird way.
Like you're just like, okay.
Well, because you and I say it a lot.
I do think that ghosts are made up of energy.
Like I think that's a big part of it.
And I think it's like left... Because energy can't be destroyed.
Created or destroyed.
Created or destroyed.
Exactly.
So it's like...
I think there is something in us that is energy.
It's got to go somewhere.
And that's the thing.
Like it's got to continue on and it like goes into space and time and like the ether.
This is very Donnie Darko.
It's so Donnie Darko.
That's what I was thinking of.
Where's Frank?
So, to further build his case, he and his associates started actually taking scientific measurements of the environment in and around the house.
They read electromagnetic fields around the house and they took temperature readings in all the different rooms.
And he said the experience in a haunt site includes drops in temperature and sometimes increases in temperature.
So, among other things, he was particularly interested in Heidi's reports of seeing the dark entity around the house.
And she usually saw him in her bedroom.
And in that room he found that there was a source of strong positive ions, particularly in the spot right next to her bed, which is where she would see the dark entity.
Oh, okay.
So according to him and other paranormal investigators in general...
Large concentrations of positive ions can have a negative experience on a person's mood and perception and it can kind of cause us to hallucinate.
Whoa.
Yeah.
And like think you see things that aren't there.
I love the science of all this.
Isn't it so cool?
Yeah.
So after finishing his investigation, he came to the conclusion that it wasn't really ghosts or devils or demons causing the unusual experiences in the house.
He said, instead they were kind of experiencing a sort of hallucination caused by the natural environment in and around the house.
Okay.
But where did the scratches come from?
That's the thing.
That's my next question.
We'll get there.
He also learned that there was a seismic fault near the property that could also be affecting the energy around the house and that what that could be what was causing the experiences in heidi's room in particular interesting.
So he provided the wyricks with a plausible explanation, for you know why they were seeing what they were seeing, and he hoped that it would give their mind some peace.
Yeah.
Andy said, I think Dr. Roll is a smart man.
I know what he said has got a lot to do with it, but I don't believe that's all there is to it.
Yeah, because you got to explain the scratches.
That's the thing.
He couldn't include the scratches that appeared on Heidi or the scratches that appeared on her father.
Yeah.
And he was like, yeah, like I can't.
I don't know about that.
I don't know about that.
It reminds me when you were saying, like, it's all, like, about the land, essentially.
I know I mentioned this before, that, like, the Sylvia Brown of it all.
Remember that psychic?
Mm-hmm.
There's like one clip of her where she gets something clearly wrong, because she's not a real psychic, in my opinion.
It's my opinion!
It's my opinion!
She gets something clearly wrong and this person's like yeah, I don't know, like nobody really lived.
Like, it's a new house, so, like, that doesn't make sense, whatever she had said.
And she goes, honey, it's the land.
Yeah.
When they're just like, so there's no ghost?
And he's like, honey, it's the land.
Honey, it's the land.
That's his answer for what?
It's the land.
Why is this all happening?
Honey, it's the land.
I need you to pull up that clip.
Can you please pull it up?
I'm pretty sure that's what she says is honey, it's the land.
I need to see this.
Our house is only 10 years old.
Honey, the land.
How old do you think the land is?
Honey, the land.
Honey, the land.
And then she goes, all land is ancient.
I mean, all right, girl.
Sylvia Brown, if nothing else, always have an answer.
Good for her.
She's like, my house is only 10 years old.
The land, honey.
The land.
Land is fucking old, you know?
Honestly, my house is new and I've had weird ass experiences in my house.
Because honey, it's the land.
Did I tell this story on the pod already?
I don't know.
The one where I was like, is she okay?
Oh yeah, in case I haven't, I'll just say it really quickly.
So I had Elena's kids over.
I just got chill.
This fucked me up and it's one of the only haunted experiences I've ever had at my house.
But I was like I don't know if I've told Deb Deb's in the pod lab today.
So I'm telling Deb Deb and she's like what the fuck is this?
So I was, and I'm telling you guys too.
So listen up, listen up.
So I had Elena's kids over for a sleepover and I went in to like check on them because, like you do that in the night, so I gotta check on them while they're at my house and I'm like hella responsible for them.
So that's scary you are.
So I go in and I was like tucking the youngest in and she was kind of like whimpering in her sleep a little bit.
And I was like, oh, like, are you having a weird dream?
I was like rubbing her back.
And I was sitting on the edge of her bed and it was like a blow up mattress.
So I was like right near the doorway and it was like cracked a little bit.
And I heard, is she okay?
To the point where I literally turned around because I thought it was Drew.
And there was nobody there.
But I heard clear as day, is she okay?
Which also, what a great ghost.
I know.
They're like, is she okay?
Is everything good?
I literally have chills.
I literally have chills whenever you told me that.
Every time you bring it up, I get chills.
And I went to my bedroom and Drew was asleep.
Like it wasn't even possible for him to have said that.
And I could not calm down.
It was like the weirdest feeling.
That's so creepy.
Honey the land.
Honey the land.
And if you live on really old, like super old land.
Like Massachusetts, honey the land.
Honey the land.
That should honestly just be Massachusetts.
Welcome to Massachusetts.
Honey the land.
Put it on the sign.
Who do we call?
That's what we need.
That needs to be some of our merch.
Massachusetts.
It needs to be a welcome to Massachusetts sign that says Honey the Land.
How do we make it sound like that on the shirt?
People will know.
You can't say Honey the Land.
There will be signs say honey the land, without saying honey the land, like everyone stops saying it, i will never, ever look forward to your merch, okay?
So so mr roll could not account for the scratches, but honey the land, that's.
The years went by, the haunting continued.
The Wyricks were trying to, just like you know, live normal life.
But shit was always going down.
Several years after they moved into the house, Lisa had a second daughter.
Lisa and Andy had a second daughter, Jordan.
Oh, congrats.
And Lisa, I think she's like a stay-at-home mom.
So that was occupying a lot of her attention.
And by the time Heidi entered her teen years, Mr Gordy kind of was like a faint memory from childhood.
She wasn't like hanging out with him that much.
Bummer.
But in 2002, she told a reporter...
Oh, hate that.
And just, like, menaced her from the shadows.
Ew.
Whenever he would appear, yeah.
Now eventually, the phenomenon at the Wyrick house became known to the rest of the residents living in Ellerslie because the story appeared on Unsolved Mysteries.
Oh, hell yeah.
In the fall of 1994.
The original one.
I literally read Unsolved Mysteries.
I hear that song and I get chills.
Oh, I can.
Immediately, i can feel it.
I used to watch that with judy all the time.
I used to live with this older lady named judy and she was the tits.
She used to watch unsolved mysteries and law and order and the red socks.
I always watch unsolved mysteries and then immediately watch rescue 911 and that's why i am who i am now.
I love that And honestly, Judy is why I am who I am now.
So yeah, unsolved mysteries.
But in the interview Heidi described a lot of the ghosts that she saw around the house, including Mr Gordy and Lon.
And she told her aunt that Mr Gordy informed her a lot of money was buried under Joyce's pecan tree.
Found it or not, guys?
We gotta find out, figure it out.
We gotta find out, because can you imagine if they found a lot of money under the pecan tree?
Pecan, pecan.
Do you say pecan or pecan?
I don't know, i was just trying to figure that out.
What do i say pecan?
It was a big argument on halloween baking championship this year.
I look at that um, pecan.
Right, You're like you do.
You're like, I know this about you.
You say pecan.
Did they find the money under Joyce's pecan tree?
That's the song of the segment.
It's not going to be a recurring segment.
Imagine if it is, if there's another story where we're like did they find the money under Joyce's pecan tree?
It's not going to be a recurring segment.
I don't know.
I can't find out.
So I guess we won't, we won't put that in.
They did.
But so eventually, when the press attention started causing problems for Heidi at school, the family decided to step back from the spotlight.
They didn't do any more interviews.
That pisses me off that, like, gave her issues at school.
Yeah, like, people get it together.
I would want to be her friend, personally.
This is why we can't have nice things, because people ruin it.
Yeah, they sure do.
You can't just be like, ooh, ah, fun.
Like, they've just got to go ruin her experience.
So...
Stepping back from the spotlight was obviously good for like Heidi's mental and social health.
And it didn't really do much to stop the supernatural activity, though.
By the time Jordan was born, it had become a lot more aggressive in nature.
In one of the more frightening incidents.
Andy and Lisa went out for the night and left Jordan with a babysitter.
And the babysitter went to check on Jordan at one point in the night.
And she discovered a, quote, ribbon with eight knots tied tightly around Jordan's neck.
Yeah.
Yup.
Here's my very cynical question.
Did they look into that babysitter?
I don't know.
I hope so.
Did we Corey check the babysitter?
Probably.
They seem like good parents.
I'm sure.
They do.
Lisa literally probably would have like grabbed a kitchen knife if she thought it was the babysitter.
Like what the fuck?
I don't think it was the babysitter.
I think it was the Josts.
What the fuck?
AKA ghosts.
Yeah.
Yeah.
As the years passed, the activity continued and it started involving other members of the family.
There was a long period where Lisa would regularly hear a growling sound coming from her bed, as she and Andy were like just trying to fall asleep.
And Heidi kept seeing obviously that faceless dark entity.
And in time, when Jordan got older, she started seeing and hearing spirits, particularly a little girl who she said had been killed in a car accident near the property.
Wow, what the fuck?
Yeah, so since the first visit from william roll in the early 90s, they've continued searching for somebody who can help resolve whatever's going on there.
They think there's a demonic infestation in their house.
Oh yeah, and i tend to agree.
They turn to roll on a few more occasions.
But because he doesn't believe that they're being haunted and instead believes that the phenomena has to do with like heidi's kind of psychic abilities and like the electromagnetic fields, he was like there's really not a lot i can do to help you, Oh no.
So they found some support from their church and a local psychic who shares the family's faith.
That individual encouraged the Wyricks to rid themselves of the infestation through regular prayer and fasting.
I don't believe that fasting is going to do it, but I hope that they find some relief there.
But they rely on their Christian support network and they do different things, like they get anointed with oil to try to repel the spirits and expel the demons.
Whatever brings you comfort.
Well, and that's the thing.
If that brings you comfort and feels like it works, then go forth and conquer.
Yeah, and it makes them feel good.
It makes them feel empowered to stay in their house.
But to date, they still are experiencing paranormal activity in the house.
Damn.
And that is the story of the Wyrick family haunting.
Holy shit.
Isn't that a crazy one?
I really like this family.
I want them to have peace.
I do too.
I really like them.
I genuinely want them to have peace.
I know.
As soon as Lisa pulled out a kitchen knife and went out into the backyard, I said, that's my girl.
Yeah, I said, that's my girl right there.
And then Andy started driving around the town and was like, I will fucking find whoever did this.
Yeah.
I want to hang out with them.
Those are parents right there.
Yeah, exactly.
What, you asked my kid to get on a swing with you?
I'll kill you.
I'll fucking kill you.
Like those are good parents.
They just are.
I just think it's crazy that not like not one time, but twice she would literally was like oh yeah, like that's Mr Gordy.
And then it was like oh, that's Khan.
And then Khan turned out to be Lon.
Like what are the fucking odds?
That's wild.
Crazy.
That's a crazy story.
That one was scary.
It's genuinely scary.
That one genuinely scared the shit out of me.
Me too.
It was freaking me out.
And when I was doing it, the nor'easter was coming.
The nor'easter came.
So my wreaths were just bashing against the sides of my windows and I was home alone.
So it was freaking me out.
And my cats were acting weird.
I hate it.
But yeah, that is one of our haunted stories of October, brothers.
Damn.
I mean, honey, it's the land.
Honey, it's the land.
But it's not even the land, though, because next door at her sister's house, everything is fine.
That's land, too.
It's got its own situation.
But I think everything's fine over there.
It's just good land.
Yeah, that's just good land.
Well, there are good lands and bad lands.
There are.
The bad lands.
The bad lands.
Damn.
Yeah, I think it's just the house.
I think it's a haunted house.
Yeah, for sure.
And I want them to have peace.
I want them to have peace, but I also kind of want to go to there.
And Lisa and Andy, I think you're doing what you can and I appreciate that about you.
Hell yeah.
Well, guys, we'll have some more hauntings to come because it's October.
So we hope you keep listening.
And we hope you keep it weird.
But not so weird that honey, it's the land.
Honey, it's the land.
Honey, the land.
Thank you.
