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Terms apply. We were making our way through the deserted fields looking for stray hens and eggs when a nearby artillery unit opened fire.
We went to look and found a battery of Polish gunners setting up for a barrage.
The gun site was hidden in a clearing within a large wood.
As we watched, suddenly out of the wood came a large bear walking on its hind legs.
It seemed to be carrying something.
Both Vincent and I shouted a warning to the gunners that a bear was going towards them, but nobody responded.
The bear went up to the trail legs of the artillery gun and placed a shell on the ground.
The bear then went back into the wood and reappeared with another shell.
By this time, we'd realised that the bear was tame and most likely a circus bear.
We just went on our way.
That was John Clarke.
And in April 1944, he was serving with a black watch in the Monte Cassino campaign, one of the most celebrated campaigns of the Second World War, the battle for Italy.
And he is remembering an incident near the village of Aqua Fundata, which is six miles from Monte Cassino.
and he and his comrade Vincent were foraging for food.
And that story, Tom, which you have quoted, it's actually quoted by Eileen Orr in her book Wojtek the Bear, Polish War Hero.
And as you say in your notes, it's like an armored bear from Philip Pullman's stories.
The last episode we were talking about the fate of Poland.
We talked a lot about Danzig, Gdansk.
There's a brilliant museum of the Second World War in Gdansk and as is my want when I went there with Sambra Jr we went to the shop to look for merch and they didn't have very much I have to say but what they did have was dozens of copies of a children's book in Polish about this bear Wojtek who is an absolute
folk hero in Poland isn't he and a symbol of Polish resistance and Polish heroism in the second world war and I think every Polish friend I've got has said do you know the story of Wojtek so particular shout Shout out if she's listening to this to Bezena, who first mentioned Wojtek to us and in fact
gave us a children's book about it.
Maybe it was the one that you saw in the shop in Gdansk.
And this is about a bear, but important to emphasise that it's about a Polish bear.
So in the account that you read about those British officers walking the battlefield of Monte Cassino, the bear is helping Polish gunners.
And these Polish gunners are fighting on the British side against the Germans.
And so, in a sense, this is what I said at the end of our previous series, that we wanted to give a kind of coda to that story.
Terribly dark, bleak, somber story.
But I guess this is also a palate cleanser.
It's a way of kind of plunging back into the heart of darkness, but coming out, perhaps, the other side.
And I think, I mean, I don't want to speak for Polish people.
Maybe they can correct me.
But I think that is a huge part of why the incredible story of Wojtek, the bear who basically becomes a Polish soldier, why it has the kind of resonance that it does.
So before we come to Wojtek, we've also done a number of episodes on famous animals in history.
So we've done dogs.
We've done monkeys.
And we have actually already had a number of bears on the rest is history.
so we uh we did an episode on the the inauguration of the coliseum in ed 80 and that featured a bear from caledonia there's the polar bear that was given to henry iii by the king of norway in 1252 and which was kept in the tower of london um and then there was lord byron who kept a bear when he was a student
at trinity yeah because he'd been uh he'd been told he couldn't have a dog so he uh he wrote in his diary i've got a new friend the finest in the world when i brought him here they asked me what I meant to do with him.
And my reply was he should sit for a fellowship.
So Byron, his bear.
None of these were military bears.
None of these were fighting bears.
And Wojtek is a fighting bear.
Wojtek is a military bear.
There are actually other examples of bears who served as mascots in war.
Probably the most famous of these is an American black bear who was called Winnipeg.
And Winnipeg came into the possession of a guy who originally had come from Birmingham.
So he was a Brummie who'd emigrated to Canada and he'd settled in Winnipeg in Manitoba.
And there he'd become a vet.
And then in 1914, war broke out and the news came to Canada, you know, Dominion in the British Empire.
So lots of Canadians signed up to fight for king and country.
And Harry Colborne, he got the train from Winnipeg to get shipped for Britain.
and at a station in Ontario he got off the platform and there for reasons that are not entirely clear because it seems quite an odd thing to be for sale but he gets a he gets an orphaned bear cub yeah and because he's already feeling homesick for his native town of Winnipeg he calls this bear Winnie
takes him this orphan bear with him to to Britain trains with the Canadian unit that he signed up to.
And then in December 1914, he crosses the channel to go and fight on the Western Front.
And he can't take this orphan bear with him.
So he donates it to the London Zoo.
So Winnie becomes one of the star attractions in London Zoo.
And Winnie is there the whole way through the First World War and stays there after the First World War.
And in 1924, A writer called A .A.
Milne Takes his son Who's a little boy Called Christopher Robin To see Winnie This Canadian black bear And Christopher Robin Is You know Thinks this bear is wonderful Goes back home And changes the name Of his teddy bear From Edward Bear To Winnie the Pooh That's Winnie the Pooh Winnie the Pooh was this Yeah
Wow That's amazing But The real Winnie the Pooh As in winnipeg never saw action is that right doesn't see there's a big difference with boytech okay so there is another famous bear that does see action because this is a bear who gets taken up in the korean war by a u .s paratrooper unit and she's bought
as a cub from a japanese zoo say right at the beginning of the korean war in 1953 and the paratroopers uh you know they go to korea and they take her up in planes and make her do paratroop jumps god almighty that's a shock for a bear i mean does she does she do it does she like it well she hates it
i mean she absolutely hates it of course i mean you know you're a bear and you're being chucked out of a plane of course you're going to hate it uh and on her second jump understandably she's so upset that she starts biting the soldiers as they try to push her out and then on her fourth attempt she
actually uh she chews up the boot of a soldier but they keep doing it they keep chucking her out of the plane with her parachute, and she ends up garlanded with honours.
So she wins a parachutist badge, she wins a Purple Heart, she wins a Korean service medal.
But I think it's fair to say that she's not an enthusiastic paratrooper.
She doesn't enjoy it.
And in 1954, so she only sees a year's service, she's discharged and sent to Lincoln Park Zoo in Chicago.
So we could have gone to Lincoln Park Zoo when we were in America, couldn't we?
We were in Chicago.
Yeah, we never did.
So those, I guess, are the two bears who serve as mascots and who have kind of won a certain measure of fame.
But Wojtek's story is a different order.
I think it's the strangest, it's the most moving, and it's definitely the most historically resonant of any bear, not just a military bear, but any bear in history.
Because Wojtek isn't just a mascot.
He's literally enrolled in the Polish Army as a private.
for reasons that we'll come to.
And rises, right, and is promoted.
Probably gets promotion to a corporal.
There's kind of debate about this, but I think almost certainly becomes a corporal in the Polish army.
And the reason that it's a moving story is that Wojtek, who is, again, like the two previous bears that we talked about, is bored as a cub.
He grows up and he provides an emotional focus for soldiers who had been uprooted from their homeland.
And many of them lost their families, had suffered unspeakable traumas.
And this bear provided them with a focus for kind of wellsprings of love that perhaps otherwise wouldn't have had a focus.
And I think that this is a huge part of why Wojtek is so famous and celebrated in Poland.
but i have to say there's also a personal link for me because as we will find out voitek ends up very close to the banks of the tweed right where you've got your house my scottish estate yes so i mean it's kind of mad to say this about you know a bear but i think his story really does provide a window
onto the kind of the miseries of polish history in the 1940s but it all it is also So it's a kind of charming story at the same time, and it's one that feels like it has a kind of personal connection to me.
So it's a story I've wanted to do for a very, very long time.
All right, let's put it back into the context.
Let's pick up, in a way, from where we ended that series.
So Poland was defeated swiftly by the Nazis, Warsaw taken, and then Poland was divided up, and Poland vanishes from the map of Europe.
But, of course, a lot of the Polish army have escaped, haven't they?
They've crossed the border into Romania, and a lot of Poles who are scattered are determined to continue the struggle, aren't they?
They have not yet given up their government in exile and so on.
So how does Wojciech sort of fit into that story?
Okay, so as you say, Poland is defeated, it's carved up, it vanishes from the map, but there are Poles who want to continue the fight and basically there are three ways in which Poles are able to do this.
And the first, and I guess the most dangerous, is to continue the fight in Poland itself.
And as you said in the previous episode, the German occupying forces have targeted the Polish elites for complete elimination.
And their aim is to reduce the mass of the Polish population to kind of helitage to the status of the helots that the Spartans used as their slave labor.
That's what the Germans want to make the Poles become.
And so effectively for lots of Polish young men, they feel that resistance, I mean, why wouldn't you resist?
Because the alternative is either enslavement or extermination.
And this is something that they are kind of facing up to very, very early on.
So in April 1940, forced conscription in Germany is introduced.
Polish young men are kind of rounded up and taken as slave labor into Germany.
And so rather than submit to that, lots of Poles take to the forests.
And this is the genesis of the Polish resistance.
Yeah, of course. It's like something out of medieval history.
They're centered in the vast woods and forests that spread over much of Poland.
And by 1943, the Polish resistance numbers almost half a million.
which is by far the largest resistance movement in Nazi -occupied Europe.
But its ultimate fate is miserable because it's destroyed by the Germans.
I mean, there's kind of their embroiled in the Warsaw Rising and all that.
And then, of course, by the Soviets who are invading and who are not friends of the Polish resistance want to see it wiped out.
Yeah, that's a terrible story.
And I'm sure one day we'll come to that awful story.
The other option, if you have managed to get outside Poland, is to continue the fight by signing up perhaps with the French And then after the fall of France with Britain and the Polish forces in Britain come to number, um, almost 80 ,000.
So we talked yesterday about how lots of Polish pilots, um, fight for the RAF in the battle of Britain, perform heroically.
Polish sailors join the Royal Navy.
Churchill admires them hugely.
Uh, I think that they, they garner a great deal of sympathy in Britain, both for the fate of their country.
for the evident heroism with which they're defending Britain, and I suspect a measure of guilt at the failure of Britain to come to Poland's rescue.
And these soldiers are stationed, lots of them are stationed in Scotland.
They're posted along the eastern Scottish coastline to ward off a possible invasion from Norway.
And one of the places where a camp is set up is above the Tweed, just downriver from Berwick.
And this camp is called Winfield Camp.
It's a centre for lots of Poles there.
So there is, of course, a third reservoir of potential soldiers that is waiting to be tapped on when the Soviet Union enters into alliance with Britain in the wake of Operation Barbarossa, which in turn means that the Poles and the Russians are then fighting on the same side but before that the fate
of poles in soviet occupied poland is pretty much as grim as it had been for the polish elites in germany because the soviets want to eliminate them just as much as the germans do and you described how in your brevora uh form the episode that you did before this how um the soviet forces had invaded
poland on the 17th of september 1939 in the wake of the Molotov -Ribbentrop Pact it comes as a total surprise to the Poles to the Western allies the Polish forces are already disintegrating and this just completes that process 200 ,000 prisoners of war are taken 15 ,000 of these are officers and these
are taken to three camps in Russia and Ukraine and then they vanish and no one is really sure what happens to them and the truth is only discovered later in the war in the wake of Operation Barbarossa when the Germans are invading going into into Russia into Ukraine and in the forest called Katyn they
discover the corpses of 5 ,000 murdered Polish officers and the Germans the Germans with supreme hypocrisy trumpet this as an example of Soviet war crimes which of course it is but it ignores the fact that the Germans are doing committing even worse crimes yeah and these officers who were found in Katyn,
they'd been killed in March 1940, along with all the other Polish officers on Stalin's personal orders.
But it's not just, as we said, it's not just the officers who are dispatched.
So in February 1940, the Soviet authorities had begun the kind of mass expulsion of the Polish civilian population, and the NKVD, which is kind of the predecessor of the KGB, had begun herding up Polish families, taking them to railway stations, cramming them into cattle wagons, sending them off eastwards
towards Siberia. And these are scenes that are very reminiscent of the fate of Jews in occupied Nazi Europe who are being rounded up and put in cattle wagons, unheated women, children, as well as men.
No food, no drink, freezing cold.
And it's been estimated that by early 1941, about one and a half million Poles have been driven into exile.
And that of these, by the summer of 1941, between the third and a half of all these Poles who've been deported are dead either from malnutrition or from the cold or from exhaustion or, of course, from disease.
So it's the same process of genocidal expulsions that you're seeing in Nazi Germany and which are much better known.
But then it all changes, of course, in the summer of 1941, because on the 22nd of June, Hitler launches Operation Barbarossa.
And suddenly the Soviet Union goes from being effectively Hitler's ally to Britain's ally.
And that changes the whole story for the Poles who are in the Soviet Union.
Yes. There's a Polish government in exile by this point in London, which means that they're unable really to resist British pressure.
And Britain wants this Polish government in exile essentially to ally itself to the Soviet Union, which, of course, is really tough for the Poles to do.
I mean, you know, the Soviet Union has dismembered their country, stabbed them in the back, deported millions of their fellow citizens.
But they do it. And one of the reasons that they do it is they see that this is a way to secure the release of the Poles who have been kept prisoner in the Soviet Union.
And among these prisoners is one of the very few Polish officers who had been deported to have survived Soviet captivity.
and this is a man called vladislav anders and he had spent he so he hadn't been taken into a wooden shot he'd been taken to the lubianca the nkvd prison and he'd spent months there kind of horrendous experience of imprisonment but then he's released and initially he he thinks if i'm going to carry on the fight
against the germans and i'm going to have to do it with the red army But he realizes very rapidly that Stalin is not going to allow an autonomous Polish military force to assemble in the Soviet Union.
You know, the risk, in Stalin's opinion, is too great.
And so, therefore, Anders starts thinking, well, we should try and get these guys out of the Soviet Union altogether and see if we could maybe fight with the British.
And Stalin is also very keen to see the back of them.
And so Stalin and Anders agree that Stalin will allow Polish prisoners to travel down to the Caspian Sea, to sail across the Caspian Sea and land in Iran.
And the reason for that is that there is a British military presence in Iran, because at this time, Iran is under joint Soviet, U .S.
and British occupation.
and specifically the rendezvous is a port called Parlevi on the Caspian Sea that I gather is now called Bandar A.
Anzali and throughout the spring and summer of 1942 over 100 ,000 poles and this includes women and children are ferried across the Caspian Sea you know they've traveled all the way across the Soviet Union from the camps that they've been kept in they've traveled there and they're now being ferried across
the Caspian Sea and they arrive in in Parlevy and they're in a terrible condition you know they they're their hunger ravaged they're disease ridden they're shattered they've traveled vast vast distances and I think British officers looking certainly at the men think oh god I mean how are we ever going
to get these people into a condition to fight.
But the British have brought food, medicine, ambulances.
And although lots of Poles do die, there are also lots who then start on the road to recovery.
And civilians are sent to camps outside Tehran and Esfahan in Iran.
And then they are sorted out and they're sent onwards to various territories within the British Empire.
So Australia, New Zealand, Rhodesia, Kenya, and lots of these Poles, I mean, actually they kind of end up settling in these various countries and staying there for good.
But the plan for the young men, these Poles who have come to join the British to fight the Nazi enemy, the plan for them is to send them from Iran through Iraq to Palestine to train them, to get them ready to join British forces, and if needs be to join the fight against who at the time is kind of advancing
right across north africa towards egypt um and this force of poles it cut they can't call it the first polish corps because the first polish corps is you know that's the body of poles who are stationed in britain so they become the second polish corps and the nickname that they get given is the anders
army brilliant i have to say i've got i've actually got two different friends who have grandparents i think who were involved in that movement of people so i've got a friend called matt kelly who's a historian and my friend anna as well and and they are unbelievable stories i mean these people who were deported
east from the polish borderlands they went to russia then crossing the caspian sea going across iran going across the middle east and then often people would end up in some people ended up in africa some people ended up in britain i mean it is mind -boggling it's like something from a science fiction book
or something and so little known in this country isn't it yeah although there's actually quite a few people in britain you know there's a kind of anglo polish community with roots in this movement of people in this mass migration yeah but anyway it's an incredible story and this is the point where voytek
enters the story when the bear finally appears so how does the bear turn up i mean it has the force of a kind of folk tale i think uh and as with a folk tale there are various accounts of exactly how Wojtek comes to to be a part of this movement of Polish of Polish troops to Palestine but I think the basic
outline is clear so there's a group of Polish soldiers maybe officers maybe private soldiers accounts differ and they're in the wilds outside Tehran and there they meet a young Iranian boy and he has a sack tied around his neck and he opens up the sack and inside it there is a tiny bear cub and the boy
tells the poles that the mother of this cub had been shot by hunters and the cub had been abandoned and the boy had found it and it's something that he can sell because um it's the customary fate of abandoned cubs to be sold to trainers who will raise them as dancing bears right and it's to be a dancing
bear is hideous i mean you're you're chained you're kind of whipped you're prodded uh you have a miserable life so the poles know this and obviously have a sense of fellow feeling for an animal that has suffered bereavement and faces a terrible future so they they buy it from um from the from the boy
uh either with what with food probably barter or food or you know maybe they've got a few a few coins anyway they come into possession of this bear cub and what happens next uh various stories so one story says that uh this this cub is bought by a Polish officer who gives it to the niece of another
officer and this niece is called Irina and she looks after the cub for three months in the the civilian transit camp where she's been stationed and And the bear is kind of very mystifous, full of fun.
It's clearly not a good place for a kind of wild animal to be kept.
And so Irina gives it to the army as a mascot.
And the bear ends up being given by a lieutenant in Anders' army to Polish soldiers in the Second Transport Company.
And these have already reached a base at Gheddera in Palestine.
So that's one account.
Another account, and this is the one you'll get in Eileen Orr's book, which is a wonderful account of Wojtek.
And she says that actually it was Polish privates in the Second Transport Company had come into possession with Wojtek right from the beginning, that they were the ones who had negotiated with this Iranian boy, and that they had kept the bear with them as they traveled to Palestine because they weren't
really allowed to have a bear with them.
And when the commanding officer is told, we're really sorry, sir, we've got this bear cub, he allows them to keep it because he recognises that it's really good for their morale, that the soldiers are devoted to the cub and that it's kind of raised their spirits.
And it's these guys in the Second Transport Company who give the bear its name, right, which is Wojciech, which is a sort of diminutive of Wojciech, which is a proper Polish name.
So the bear is variously known, I think, by Poles as Wojciech or Wojciech, so uh Wojciech is the formal uh Wojciech is the is the informal and it means happy warrior right um and in due course Wojciech grows up to full size he's absolutely enormous bear and um then another Wojciech joins the company
um and so the bear is called big Wojciech and the soldier is called little Wojciech so his full name is is big Wojciech but as a cub uh Wojciech is given a kind of carer, one of the Polish soldiers in the Second Transport Company.
And this is a guy called Peter Prendis.
And most of the soldiers in Second Transport Company are young.
They're kind of teenage or early twenties.
But Peter, he's 46 and he's probably the oldest soldier in the company.
And that is why he is given responsibility for the bear.
It's thought that he's the guy who will prove the best parent but actually the role that peter plays is not that of a father but of a mother um daddy bears i gather do not bring up their babies yeah they're probably not close to that yeah cubs are raised solely by their mothers and so peter comes to
be nicknamed by his comrades mummy bear and i mean you read the accounts of it and vojtek he's a little cub he might get frightened he might get scared whenever he does he runs to peter and peter picks him up in his arms and cradles him cuddles him gives him his finger for yeah for voitech to kind of suck
on um yeah it's all very sweet but then gradually of course um voitech starts to grow up and he he's you know he's a great laugh is he yeah bears are like that though aren't they he loves it so there's um initially there's there's great fun and games with the dalmatian that's owned by uh the by the british
liaison officer he is uh he's always climbing trees and then finding that he can't he can't climb down so he just drops down and falls on passing soldiers and it's all great fun yeah and um i he's he's um well i'm not going to call him a perv because of course he's a bear but he's very keen on stealing
um the underwear of polish female soldiers so to quote eileen ore the women part of a polish signals unit were furious because after months of living rough in that isolated camp in the dusty desert they had only recently taken a rare trip to tel aviv to acquire the much cherished underwear and peter
has to go and get it back get the back what's he doing with it what interest does he have trying it on yeah who knows i don't know the thing he really loves is swimming and this is obviously a problem if you're in a kind of dusty parched land in in palestine so whenever he he finds water whenever he
finds a kind of river or a pond or mud or whatever he'll kind of roll in it and the larger he gets the more his use of water has to be rations because of course it's a very precious commodity and so he's always trying to sneak into the shower hut this is another example of his mischievous nature right
um and on one occasion And he does this and he finds that there's an Arab spy in the corner.
So he's cornered. So his reward for this is he gets an extra long shower plus lots of fruit and beer.
And beer. So he's tanked up half the time.
So he loves beer and he loves cigarettes and he loves coffee.
The cigarettes have to be lit, but he won't smoke them.
He eats them. But I think the reason for this is that at no point does it cross Voitek's mind that he's a bear he assumes that he is a Polish soldier.
I mean, he has no reason to think otherwise.
He's been brought up by them.
He lives among them.
He adopts their habits and he marches with them.
He kind of learns to kind of salute.
I mean, he does this without being instructed.
He just kind of picks up on it.
Right. Everyone else is doing it.
You do it, right? You do it.
And so you can see why he would become a massive, massive favourite, not just with the 22nd Artillery Supply Company as the second transport company has now become.
But with the whole of Anders' army, the whole of the second Polish corps, obviously really, really good for their morale.
You can completely see why officers are going, yeah, let's keep this bear.
It's good. Well, maybe not if your underwear has been stolen and he's trying to get into the shower with you.
Yeah, maybe not. But I think in general, very good for morale.
But then in December 1943, there is a crisis because Wojtek and his company are moved to Egypt, to Alexandria.
And the reason for that is that by this point, Rommel is you know he's gone and the British have invaded Sicily and going up Italy and they need the Poles to help them in this terrible war and the crisis is that soldiers are forbidden to transport pets or mascots there is no room in the transport ship
for such animals so their solution to this is to draft Wojciech officially into the Polish army as a private and the British authorities approve this they you know they stamp vojtek's military papers he is now enrolled as a polish soldier officially and on the 13th of february 1944 vojtek and his comrades
um they're in alexandria they board a troop ship and they set sail westwards across the mediterranean and their destination dominic is taranto and from there monte casino crikey what a cliffhanger so let's take a break and we will return with Wojtek's heroism at the Battle for Monte Cassino.
General Oliver Lease had earmarked the Poles for the key role of capturing the Monte Cassino Massif.
He had sensed a fire and a pride in the bellies of the Poles that suggested they might be more willing to take on this toughest of nuts than other units in 8th Army.
Visiting General Vladisław Anders, the Polish Corps commander on the 24th of March, least coated his proposal in very clear terms.
That what he was offering would be immeasurably challenging, but was also a singular honour and indicative of the respect he had for the general and his men.
Anders was well aware that the Abbey had not been taken in two months of bitter fighting and that it had eluded the efforts of battle -hardened and highly experienced troops i realized that the cost in lives must be heavy he later wrote but i realized too the importance of the capture of monte casino to
the allied cause and most of all to that of poland so that was the immortal prose of james holland brother of the lesser -known uh holland podcasting star and that's from james's book Casino 44, Five Months of Hell in Italy.
And that reminds us, actually, Monte Cassino is not just any back of the Second World War.
It is regarded as one of the most difficult because it's the hinge of a German defensive line called the Gustav Line, and the Allies have to break it to get to Rome.
And on the summit of Monte Cassino is this monastery that was founded by St.
Benedict, Tom. Yes.
So one of the most celebrated monasteries in the whole of Latin Christendom, founded in AD 529.
It had been rebuilt and rebuilt, kind of had this glorious heyday in the 11th and 12th centuries.
14th century, there'd been an earthquake.
It would be rebuilt again.
So it's a great emblem of the kind of the ability of the Catholic Church to rise above all the disasters that could be thrown at it.
And now it is in the eye of this terrible storm because the Allies have to knock it out, essentially.
Because the Germans have occupied it and the Allies feel that they have to destroy the German positions if they're going to have a hope of breaking through and getting on to Rome.
And we actually spoke to my brother in an earlier episode about the build -up to the Battle of Monte Cassino.
But Wojtek arrives right in the middle of it as it's kind of reaching this terrible climax.
And as you said in my brother's reading, Anders and his army are given the opportunity to storm Monte Cassino to capture it.
And this is a mark of great honor because, as my brother says, it's the toughest of nuts.
And there have previously been three attempts to take the monastery.
It's failed. The monastery itself has been bombed completely into rubble, which actually means that it's now harder to take because there are more places to kind of hide.
three offensives have failed the poles will now take part in the fourth offensive operation diadem and in fact will kind of spearhead it so the task for the poles is to capture a mountain that has defied all the previous allied troops so you know they've they've smashed themselves against it and broken
against it so can the poles do it so 24th of april 1944 they start moving up the foothills to take up positions for the final assault.
And it is the job of Wojtek's company to keep the Polish artillery supplied with shells, with ammunition as the Poles make their advance towards Monte Cassino, so inching forwards.
And they do this for three weeks and it's an exceedingly perilous and dangerous job.
So they are having to drive at night to avoid, you know, enemy artillery, kind of sheer hairpin bends, people always kind of driving off cliffs and things like that.
So to quote a Polish veteran who's cited by Elinor in her book, when we finally pulled into the positions of our artillery, we unloaded the ammo and fuses and after a short rest turned round and got out as fast as possible.
In spite of all our precautions, a number of trucks crashed into the steep gorges, killing their drivers.
So it's a very perilous business.
I mean, this must be absolutely terrifying, traumatizing for Wojtek.
I mean, he's just been having larks in the desert, showers and stuff.
Yeah. Cigarettes. Yeah.
So what does he make of all this?
Well, he's terrified and he stays in the lorries kind of whimpering, covering his eyes with his paws, you know, completely shell -shocked.
But then he starts to get his kind of mojo back and he climbs out of the lorry that he's been hiding in and he kind of looks around and wanders over to a tree and he climbs up the tree and he kind of watches the action.
So he's down seeing his friends carting, you know, shells up to the guns and carrying crates and things.
So he drops down from the tree and he, uh, he walks over to his fellow soldiers and he holds out his paws to indicate that, you know, he'd quite like to join in the fun.
He doesn't really know what it's about, but it's, you know, his friends are doing it.
So why wouldn't he wanted to join in um he's never of course been trained to handle heavy boxes of munitions but he's a bear so he's very strong and so actually he turns out to be absolutely brilliant and he he does this with all his mates and the boast is that he never drops a single shell and he does
it kind of for as long as he wants to and then if he gets bored he'll go off and maybe have a sleep or something or have a bit of a doze.
And if they want to get him back on, they give him a lit cigarette or a bar of chocolate or something and then he'll join back in.
And he puts in really, really sterling work and he contributes to the softening up of the German defences that enable Anders' army on the 11th of May to begin the long -awaited fourth offensive.
and it's an absolutely murderous battle it lasts you know days and days and days so just to give a description again from my brother's book this is just one passage on one occasion a Polish lieutenant had been standing behind three men a shell came over and exploded right on top of them he commented
two of the men disappeared into thin air there was nothing left but on a bush nearby I saw the ammunition belt and the stomach of the third that was all that was left soon after he spotted a soldier sitting down close by, simply staring into space.
The man was covered in dust and had a glazed expression on his face.
The lieutenant bent over and touched his back and saw that it was covered in blood.
The man he realized was dead.
So, I mean, this is a pretty serious business.
And amazingly, I guess partly because he's at the back, right?
Because he's helping to load the guns.
He's not in the forefront of the action, but he doesn't get hit at all.
Am I right? No, he doesn't get hit.
So he carries on throughout this.
I think, I mean, obviously, if he'd been in the forefront of the battle, it would have been rather different because that is, I mean, really brutal.
And on the 17th of May at last, Anders leads the Poles in a second attack on Monte Cassino.
The Germans withdraw.
18th of May, the Poles see a white flag flying over the ruins of the monastery.
And they're so shattered by what they've been going through that it takes some time to find enough men who are strong enough to go up to their height to take possession of the rubble of the monastery.
but they get there and they raise the polish flag over the scene of desolation and a bugler plays saint mary's trumpet call which according to legend had first been played on the walls of krakow to warn of the mongols and so it's hard not to think of all the emotions that must have been felt in polish breasts
hearing that and thinking of the fate of their own country looking around at the rubble of of this ancient how this is not a hollywood film i do not know i mean i don't I mean, Wojtek would be an amazing subject.
Of course, to a CGI bear.
Or I'd do it in a bear suit.
Well, Paddington. I mean, you do have a kind of track record.
I missed out on Paddington.
But I think Wojtek, I was born to play that part.
So the Poles have lost a lot of men.
Second Polish Corps have lost 1 ,150 killed.
3 ,050 have been wounded.
The 22nd Artillery Supply Company, so that's the company that Wojtek's been serving with, you know, they have suffered casualties.
So, you know, Wojtek undoubtedly has been, you know, he's been in the line of fire.
But they have done heroic work.
So to quote Orr, during the Battle of Monte Cassino, Wojtek's company supplied approximately 17 ,300 tonnes of ammunition, 1 ,200 tonnes of fuel and 1 ,100 tonnes of food for Polish and British troops.
Oh, good on them. And he gets a badge or something.
So they all get the badge?
They all get the badge.
So it's a badge featuring Wojtek carrying an artillery shell.
And he's got, you know, he's he looks as if he's marching off to go to battle.
And this becomes the badge of the 22nd company is kind of one of the most sort of pieces of military memorabilia that you could you could possibly have.
and it becomes the kind of the I guess the emblem of the 22nd company and it gets copied and copied and it kind of obviously serves to broadcast Voitek's fame far beyond the limits of his own company and if Voitek is promoted to corporal this is the moment where it happens.
I mean there is it's contested.
I think the military records have been lost so we will say he gets promoted to corporal at this point.
But this isn't the end of the fighting right I mean for Voitek Or the 22nd Company Because they're still battling their way through Italy Well they end up fighting right up to the end of the war Till April 1945 And Wojtek is always in the thick of it, isn't he?
The war goes right their way on till Bologna Which is the last town that the Poles capture And as you say, Wojtek is with them Throughout this whole campaign And he does have kind of brushes with danger But these tend not to be from German bullets so he he finds a pack horse and he thinks this is great fun
so he stalks the pack horse and corners it and the pack horse lashes out and kicks him in the face with its hooves and this does him some damage and maybe the time he comes closest to death is where he wanders into a base that's been set up by indian soldiers serving with the british army and he wanders
into a tent and curls up with a Sikh soldier who wakes up and discovers this huge bear lying next to him.
And it's so alarmed that he reaches for the gun and realizes that it's a tame bear, a pet bear, in time not to kill him.
So the war ends, and this is a great time for the 22nd Company because they're stationed on the Adriatic.
Very nice. The war is over.
It's summer. There's a beach.
So they all go down to the beach.
Wojtek again I'm afraid disgraces himself with girls so his his he has this trick where he swims underwater towards a group of unsuspecting women yeah and then he'll suddenly surface in the the midst of them and there's lots of kind of screaming and splashing and Wojtek thinks this is absolutely hilarious
and of course for the Polish soldiers who then have to come over and explain to the Italian women who this bear is you know it's a great way of meeting girls Let me introduce you to my bear.
Yes. He's a babe magnet, I think might be one way to describe him.
So he's having a lovely time.
His fellow soldiers are having a lovely time.
It all looks great.
But then, of course, the shadow of Stalin falls over their prospects again because we are now into the onset of the Cold War.
And Stalin does not want seasoned soldiers who have fought with the British going back to Poland and he doesn't even want them on the continent of Europe and this is expressed to the British government and the British government say okay well we will you know we'll we'll take them back to Britain.
So they go back to Britain and specifically they go back to Scotland and in September 1946 the 22nd Company arrive on Clydeside.
They march through the streets of Glasgow.
They're cheered as heroes and among their ranks is Wojtek.
And these soldiers are now the responsibility of the British government.
And the reason for this is that they're very conscious of the debt they owe, the Poles.
And again, I think it's this thing that has been shadowing British attitudes throughout the war, which is a feeling of guilt.
And for the British government in particular, this guilt is of course compounded by the fact that Churchill has signed Poland over to Stalin at the Yalta Conference.
So there's been, you know, yet another British portrayal of Poland.
And to quote Neil Asherson on how the British government feel about this, they hope to soothe their consciences by handling the problem of the Polish armed forces in a generous and humane way.
An interim treasury committee for Polish questions were set up immediately after the london government was de -recognized so that's the polish government that had been in london throughout the war the british government has has recognized the kind of the puppet government that stalin has set up in warsaw
in their place so continue quoting ashton in effect this meant that britain although exhausted and bankrupt at the end of nearly six years of war was taking on the duty to pay and maintain and house the polish armed forces in the west it's actually a terrible story this it's just as bad a betrayal as
what happened just before the war because the British completely pulled the rug out from under the Polish government in exile.
I guess they would say it's real polity, we have no choice.
And with the Polish army, they basically wanted to get rid of them, didn't they?
They really hoped they would all just go back.
The problem is that Stalin will not take back people from these Polish brigades unless they actively volunteer to go back.
So in other words, they have to be communist sympathisers to do it.
And in the event, I think only seven officers go back, something like 14 ,000 privates opt to head back.
There are a few of these from the 22nd Division and they want to take Wojtek with them.
And there's a massive row about this.
But the vast majority of soldiers from the 22nd Division opt to stay in Scotland and they get to keep Wojtek.
Right. The commanding officer says you cannot take him.
And instead, where do they go?
They go to Winfield Camp, which is this camp above the Tweed, just down from Berwick.
And initially there is some hostility from the locals.
You know, they're all suffering from rationing and things.
But there are two things that help, I think, to thaw the relations.
And the first is, again, this sense of how much people in Britain owe the Poles.
And the second is that the 22nd Division have this bear.
And Wojtek is the kind of perfect ambassador because he remains as amiable and as full of fun as ever.
He's still got Peter with him, you know, so kind of mummy bear.
He's got all his mates.
And I think it just it never crosses his mind that he's not one of them.
In his own mind, he's a Pole, not a bear.
Absolutely. And so they take him to dances.
And when he goes there, Wojtek gives the local children rides on his back.
He amuses them by doing huge farts.
They all find this hilarious.
Again, kind of breaks ice with the local girls.
Wojtek is taken swimming in the Tweed.
So he's brought down from the camp and he's led on a chain because they can't risk him being kind of swept out into the North Sea.
and he goes swimming beneath the union bridge which is this wonderful bridge built in 1822 it's the oldest functioning suspension bridge anywhere in the world and voi has a wonderful swim beneath it um and i've actually been to see the camp the site of the camp where voitek stayed uh and there's a big
pool there and you know how much voitek likes pools and all around it are trees and they're still marked with his claw marks no really I just want to give a shout out to Livy who I know will be listening to this who took us up there and showed us where the trees were the paw marks of Wojtek on the living
tree it's a kind of wonderful thing and it's so odd this is a story as I said begins with all this darkness and horror that you were describing on Monday and yet there is a link that takes us to a tree above the tweed that is marked with the claw marks it's amazing of a bear And the people love him,
do they? They're delighted.
They think he's a tremendous person.
They do. And the measure of this is, of course, that, you know, there's very strict rationing at this point.
And Wojtek is a bear with a huge appetite.
And it's not just the Poles, it's all the locals kind of, you know, they get together and they make sure that he has enough food.
And maybe it helps that on the far bank, so on the English bank opposite the Scottish side of the Tweed, There is a honey farm in the village of Horncliffe, which is excellent.
And again, a shout out to them.
So they're able to keep Wojtek in.
You genuinely could not make that up.
But then, Dominic, I mean, you know, this heartwarming story, but then tragedy.
Oh, no. Because in 1947, the 22nd Division start to be demobbed.
So they found settlement across Britain.
The camp is going to be closed down.
the men leave for civilian life um and the question is what is going to happen to voitech he can't get a job can he i mean we can't get his job you know he can't be reunited with his loved ones because his mother's dead you know real problem so it's decided that he will be taken to edinburgh zoo oh
and on the 15th of november 1947 you know he's he's he's loaded into a cage the cage is put on the back of a truck and he's driven off to edinburgh well that is quite sad and everyone who watches him go in 22nd division is devastated none more so than peter and from this point on it is said that if anyone
ever mentioned voitek's name to him he would burst into tears and his comrades as well are devastated um they are uh repeatedly making trips to the zoo and i suppose tommy if you were trying to sort of give this story a bit of profondity not that it needs it you might say um there's a kind of this is poland's
story in microcosm people have lost touch with their families every family in poland has been scarred by grief and loss and trauma and in a way piota having lost touch he's lost his family and now he's losing vojtek yeah it's part of a bigger story and that is why genuinely the polish soldiers who've
been his comrades are always visiting him and sometimes they'll break into his enclosure and wrestle with him, like in the good old days.
And when they leave, Voighted tries to clamber out through the bars.
And it's not just the Poles who feel the tragedy of this.
So the director of Edinburgh Zoo, who's a guy called Thomas Gillespie, he wrote, I never felt so sorry to see an animal that had enjoyed so much freedom and fun confined to a cage.
There are shards of light in their story.
So one is that Peter, who had lost his family, he is reunited with most of them.
His two oldest sons are lost for good, but the rest of his family, they do come and join him in London.
Right. And Wojtek also, it's not total misery because I'm very happy to say that he becomes obsessed by penguins.
So he takes a huge interest in them.
And whenever they kind of march past, he'll watch them with huge fascination.
And also, of course, Poles continue to visit him.
And it's not just his former comrades because by now Wojtek has become an emblem for Poles in Britain of everything that they've been through.
And so they will come and watch and talk to him.
and he always perks up.
And this is a story that starts to get resonance in Britain as well, particularly I think in Scotland, in the Borders region and in Edinburgh, to the extent that ultimately Wojtek is always appearing on Blue Peter.
The children's TV programme.
Children's TV programme.
So he's a kind of a regular star.
Yeah. But towards the end of his life, so going into the 60s, he does start to become very depressed.
He goes into a steep decline.
And on the 15th of November, 1963, So he's, by which point he's been in the zoo for 16 years, he's put down.
Oh, poor Wojtek. It's a bittersweet story, I suppose, isn't it, Tom?
Yeah, so I think that he is a worthy hero for an episode of our podcast.
Definitely is. And I think it, for a number of reasons, so we've talked about how this is a story that spans a vast range of places.
So it begins in Poland.
It takes us to Siberia, to the Middle East, to Italy, to the woods above my Scottish estate.
It reminds you just how much of a world war the Second World War was.
I think also Wojtek is a very moving symbol of Polish -Scottish friendship.
So I know that he is hugely famous in Poland, but he's pretty well known on the borders as well uh school children there know all about him there's a statue of him in duns which is you know just up from the tweed and there's a statue in edinburgh commemorating his his presence there quite right too
but i think above all and the reason why why it's good to have this as a coda to the to the terrible story that we've been telling in our previous three episodes is that Wojtek's career does kind of rub up against the horrors that overwhelm Poland in the war but because he was wholly innocent of them
knew nothing of them he he somehow seemed to provide the Poles who who were with him with a way of kind of staring into the abyss of their own grief and everything that they'd lost their bereavement in a way that was kind of less painful than staring into that heart of darkness directly yeah i think
that i mean again i don't want to kind of put words into into the polish soldiers who went through all that but that's the sense that i get from reading about the obviously very profound bond that they felt with this kind of this this innocent animal yeah that makes i mean they've lost everything they've
lost their families they've lost their homeland and they can pour a lot of that emotion into their relationship with this with this as you said this innocent bear and and that is surely why you know these bereaved homesick grieving men had adopted him in the first place it's why the the polish officer
said yes let's keep him it's why the british high command recognized this and said yes we will you take enroll him as a private and i it's it's why they invested such love in him and i think it's why to this day in Poland Wojciech does remain kind of very loved well Tom that was amazing a brilliant
story very moving story actually I didn't expect it to be such a moving story I find it a really moving story and it was the perfect coda to the grim story of the uh the fall of Poland in in 1939 so that's the story of Wojciech the bear if you're Polish of course there are loads of children's books
you can look that up in and I shout out to the most amazing book on uh Poland's experience in the second world war which we talked about a lot which is halleck hans's book the eagle unbowed but next week we will be back with something completely different because i've heard a rumor that the previous
translations of suetonius is the 12 caesars have been superseded is that correct tom am i am i right it's not for me to say dominic that that a new translation by an unknown author of suetonius's twelve saesars is about to hit the bookshelves and to celebrate this the author himself on his podcast will be
taking us into a series on the sex secrets of the caesars and we'll be looking not just at suetonius's twelve caesars itself but also at The Lives of Tiberius, Caligula, and Claudius.
So a complete change of tone.
And I suspect a slightly more lubricious style of podcasting next week when we return with The Romans.
So on that, by Michelle, Tom, thank you so much.
That was absolutely wonderful.
And we'll see you all next time.
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